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Positive Reports From Transmeta

Hemos posted more than 9 years ago | from the spider-will-be-so-happy dept.

Transmeta 77

utopicillusion writes "The register reports : "More cash flowed into Transmeta in the second quarter than it spent, the company said late last week as a teaser for its upcoming results announcement." This is about after a month that CNN predicted that Transmeta was going under. "

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First Comment (-1, Offtopic)

Anonymous Coward | more than 9 years ago | (#13031776)

yes!

Re:First Comment (-1, Offtopic)

Anonymous Coward | more than 9 years ago | (#13031844)

That's what CmdrTaco said when Pater jammed the 54" black rubber dildo up his zero-insertion force socket!

I'll Wait... (1, Offtopic)

10101001011 (744876) | more than 9 years ago | (#13031778)

Until Netcraft confirms it...
Give me a break, this is the first real Slashdot-ism that I've ever used outside of Soviet Russia...

Re:I'll Wait... (4, Funny)

10101001011 (744876) | more than 9 years ago | (#13031823)

I'm sorry, did I miss the memo?

Is the whole Netcraft thing done now, too tired, overused? I sincerely appologize. Allow me to rectify my error.

"In Soviet Russia, the profits Transmeta YOU!"

No? That one is also too overused? Okay, how about: "Yeah but do they run Linu.." Pardon? They do? Oh...

"Well I'd love to see a Beowolf cluster of these..." Now what? There are clusters of these. Damn, well...

"Cowboy Neal is hot!" I fail to see how this sentence relates to Transmeta's profits, but know that it was through modding my post a troll that you drove me to it!

Re:I'll Wait... (0)

ratnerstar (609443) | more than 9 years ago | (#13031924)

In Korea, only old people use slashdot cliches.

Re:I'll Wait... (-1)

Anonymous Coward | more than 9 years ago | (#13031938)

I, for one, welcome our new parrot overlords.

Re:I'll Wait... (0)

rylin (688457) | more than 9 years ago | (#13031942)

No, you just missed the memo saying "Moderators are on crack this week.. and the next.. and the.."

I'll get someone to leave a copy of the memo on your desk - try not to lose it.

Re:I'll Wait... (0)

Maxiosu (748985) | more than 9 years ago | (#13032043)

so meta moderation is kinda like group counciling?

"hi im Maxiosu and I'm on crack YOU INSENSITIVE CLOD"

mosquito repellant (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 9 years ago | (#13031779)

Why does the icon look like one of the mosquito repellants from my youth.

Re:mosquito repellant (-1, Offtopic)

10101001011 (744876) | more than 9 years ago | (#13031786)

Well back in my day, we used nuts that we stripped from their bolts, tied to a string to shoot the mosquitoes out of the air like a veritable David facing Goliath...

And we damned well liked it to!

Re:mosquito repellant (-1, Offtopic)

10101001011 (744876) | more than 9 years ago | (#13031799)

...And we damned well liked it to! I used a nut to whack the last o off of that "too"

WTF? (-1, Flamebait)

Anonymous Coward | more than 9 years ago | (#13031829)

You're retarded.

Re:WTF? (0, Offtopic)

10101001011 (744876) | more than 9 years ago | (#13032037)

I knwo I am but what are yo^H^H^H...

Nevermind..

Re:WTF? (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 9 years ago | (#13032365)

You've never seen a woman naked, have you? Nerd.

omg!!! (-1, Offtopic)

postgrep (803732) | more than 9 years ago | (#13031780)

The elusive (nth+1) post!

Re:omg!!! (-1, Offtopic)

Anonymous Coward | more than 9 years ago | (#13031884)

Ewwww, sorry....
That would be the (n+1)th post...

I find this suprising (4, Interesting)

X-Phile (176747) | more than 9 years ago | (#13031784)

I'm not familiar with any new hardware that has Transmeta chips in them, and I don't remember hearing any big news about new partnerships. Where is the cash coming from? They promised a lot a long time ago, and they kind of stalled.

Re:I find this suprising (4, Interesting)

morcheeba (260908) | more than 9 years ago | (#13031875)

The Orion Multisystem [orionmulti.com] (96 processors under your desk) and the OQO [oqo.com] are recent examples. They are in some Sharp notebooks ... browse the list here [transmeta.com] .

Re:I find this suprising (1)

imsabbel (611519) | more than 9 years ago | (#13032191)

Funny thing is, aside from several hype-postings (like the slashdot article), i never seen any review/hands-on info about the orions...
Did they even produce anything yet or is it still vapourware?

Re:I find this suprising (3, Informative)

m4dm4n (888871) | more than 9 years ago | (#13031932)

FTFA: "Transmeta has been aggressively attempting to cut costs ever since it decided earlier this year to get out of the chip manufacturing business and focus instead on processor technologies it can license to other vendors."

You're probably going to battle to find any chips with the name transmeta on next year. However, many other chips may contain licensed technologies in them that will be bringing revenue into transmeta.

Re:I find this suprising (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 9 years ago | (#13032429)

Didn't I just hear a deal between them and Apple computer for the new Rosetta Software used to translate between PowerPC and Intel processors?

Re:I find this suprising (1)

Ucklak (755284) | more than 9 years ago | (#13034283)

The Sony Picturebooks used to have them I'm not sure if they still do. I think the Fuji clones did too.

Only a single quarter (4, Insightful)

TheViciousOverWind (649139) | more than 9 years ago | (#13031787)

I'd say it's a bit soon to come to the conclusion that the company is not going under, because of the result of 3 financial months.

I'm not saying that the company IS going under, but it's pretty easy for a company to shuffle expenses off to the next quarter and make it seem like the current quarter is greater than it in fact really is - If we were talking about a complete fiscal year it would be more impressive.

Re:Only a single quarter (1, Insightful)

Bill Wong (583178) | more than 9 years ago | (#13031828)

And, I bet, the only reason they're not in the red last quarter was because they sold off most of it's chipmaking business [slashdot.org] .
Fucking ridiculous.

CNN story sponserd (1, Interesting)

FidelCatsro (861135) | more than 9 years ago | (#13031789)

Perhaps that CNN story was sponsored by a competitor of transmeta .
Or perhaps someone who was looking to scoop up the ashes .
Rumouring the demise of a company that may be suffering , but not out for the count can tip the scales .
Especially if the story comes from a source like CNN.
Its good to know this did not happen as i was looking forward to a few of the advances Transmeta were developing

Mod parent up (-1, Offtopic)

Anonymous Coward | more than 9 years ago | (#13031859)

That is conjecture , not flamebait morons.

Re:CNN story sponserd (1)

smitty_one_each (243267) | more than 9 years ago | (#13032332)

You wouldn't be hinting at some convergence of business, law, politics and media, would you?
Fidel, Fidel, Fidel, the world is not Cuba; elsewhere, real freedoms exist, and people both think and vote critically for leadership featuring impeccable integrity.
Oh, wait...

Heck, I thougth Transmeta went under years ago (-1)

Anonymous Coward | more than 9 years ago | (#13031800)

Where are Transmeta processors used nowadays?? Embedded systems?

Question (3, Insightful)

Anonymous Coward | more than 9 years ago | (#13031810)

Is Slashdot's love for Transmeta borne purely from the fact that Linus Torvalds used to work for them? My understanding was that they had promised much in the way of low-power, cool-running processors for embedded applications, most of which have been surpassed by better offerings from other vendors. Why all the fuss?

Re:Question (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 9 years ago | (#13031847)

They have never delivered on anything. /. is obsessed with them because their hero used to work there. otherwise, there would be no discussion of this rinky dink batch of losers.

Re:Question (2, Informative)

interiot (50685) | more than 9 years ago | (#13031995)

Um... I seem to remember something about efficient processor emulation via dynamic compiling and optimization of hotspots [wikipedia.org] ?

Low power would just be a nice side-effect that would allow the company to remain commercially viable (you got to bring home the bacon. And maybe the lovin'. And the lovin' bacon).

The real benefit Transmeta brings is that after n years of financial viability and R&D research, they'd start selling CPU's and software that would allow you to change your CPU to emulate other popular instruction sets as well... all on the same hardware.

Answer: No (4, Insightful)

samjam (256347) | more than 9 years ago | (#13032008)

No, it's not.

Slashdot's love for transmeta probably springs from the same reason that Linus went to work there:

it was a real cool concept

Along with many others, I was expecting to see a few more uses of code-morphing that x86 instruction execution, so I'm dissapointed there.

Other reasons are Transmeta are not Intel, and like AMD are doing cool stuff and cool prices instead of yesterdays (dull) snacks at yesterdays prices (I would say tomorrowws prices except that prices are going down) that we get from intel.

Sam

Re:Question (3, Interesting)

TheRaven64 (641858) | more than 9 years ago | (#13032028)

For those of us who don't care about Linus, Transmeta were still interesting. They developed a commercially-viable VLIW CPU, something Intel are still failing to do with Itanium. Some of us believe that VLIW is a particularly interesting concept in CPU design, in much the same way RISC is. Having the microcode in software, while not a new idea (the MicroVAX did it, for example) is also interesting.

Sadly, for all their interesting technology, they are still not producing CPUs that are all that useful - although the 96-CPU desktop using Transmeta chips does look fun...

Re:Question (1)

superpulpsicle (533373) | more than 9 years ago | (#13033349)

They are in a niche market, I don't know why people have expectations of them selling millions of their design.

Re:Question (1)

Donny Smith (567043) | more than 9 years ago | (#13033766)

>Sadly, for all their interesting technology, they are still not producing CPUs that are all that useful - although the 96-CPU desktop using Transmeta chips does look fun...

SGI has also been focusing on cool, fun and niche products look at them now.

important (-1, Offtopic)

Anonymous Coward | more than 9 years ago | (#13031812)

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What's the lowdown? (1, Insightful)

Illserve (56215) | more than 9 years ago | (#13031814)

Can someone in the know fill us in? As I understand it, transmeta's boasting of low power cpus translated into rather meager results in practice.

What's the status of their productline?

Re:What's the lowdown? (-1)

Anonymous Coward | more than 9 years ago | (#13031931)

The low-down is that you're on the down-low [amazon.com] .

I *own* one (2, Informative)

hung_himself (774451) | more than 9 years ago | (#13032733)

Unlike nearly all the posters here - I actually own something with a transmeta chip in it. My Sharp MM20 laptop is just over 2 pounds and gets 8-9 hours on the battery (real life usage - not just spec sheet) and costs much less than the closest Intel-based competitor by Sony.

Don't know how the chip itself "specs" but I would recommend the actual end product to anyone who doesn't want to lug a brick and an AC adaptor around all day...

Re:What's the lowdown? (2, Informative)

Gogo Dodo (129808) | more than 9 years ago | (#13033966)

Manufacturing processors didn't work out so well, so they went to the ARM model of business: License your IP for other people to use.

Most of their valuable IP consists of their LongRun2 technology. They have Sony, Fujitsu, and NEC as licensees so far.

Their Crusoe processor has been sold off to a Chinese company, Culture.com Technology Limited. Not sure what the status is of their Efficeon line, but it's been licensed to Culture.com, too. I imagine that Efficeon is up for sale, too.

Brace yourself (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 9 years ago | (#13031815)

Brace yourself while corporate America tries to sell us its wretched things!

IBM's new chips = Transmeta revival? (3, Interesting)

bbzzdd (769894) | more than 9 years ago | (#13031858)

The chips going into the Playstation 3 and Xbox 360 are similar in technology to what Transmeta was doing years back. They all strip out out of order execution, branch prediction, etc to reduce die size and circuit complexities. Maybe people are starting to realize the way around the Ghz wall is to reduce complexity?

Re:IBM's new chips = Transmeta revival? (2, Informative)

tomstdenis (446163) | more than 9 years ago | (#13031978)

That's just a tradeoff though as the cost of development for a processor with no ooe or assists is higher.

In the case of the xbox/ps3 processors you essentially have to "know your timings". Which isn't a bad thing since from a hardware perspective this gets you more bang per gate.

But to get any sort of high performance out of this the companies are going to have to invest heavily in well optimized libraries to draw from [which is also not a bad thing, but many don't really do this].

So the net effect of a processor [for a single task like gaming] with no ooe/schedulers/etc is if you don't fight the system you end up writing and designing better code that in the long run can pay off [code reuse == time in your pocket].

However, the way to high performance isn't always Ghz. If your cpu runs at 2x the clock but takes 4x the cycles ... you're still 2x slower unless you can heavily pipeline all your operations [which isn't always the case and usually isn't].

Tom

Re:IBM's new chips = Transmeta revival? (3, Informative)

TheRaven64 (641858) | more than 9 years ago | (#13032068)

The PS3 / XBox 360 CPUs schedule instructions relatively poorly. This is not a problem for a console - it is a fixed platform and the CPU in it will be the same in a year's time. You can compile a game for the console with a compiler that's explicitly aware of the instruction timings of the deployment chip and it will work correctly on every console because they have the same CPU.

PCs and workstations are more varied. Every CPU revision can throw your instruction timings off and make your tightly compiled code suddenly much slower.

The only CPU I am aware of that is taking a similar approach to Transmeta's offerings is Itanium, which has a few quite neat tricks to get around the standard limitations of VLIW. Itanium bundles all instructions which can be executed in parallel together to allow additional execution units to be added later without and still used by existing code. Transmeta use x86 dynamically translate x86 instruction set code to VLIW code on the fly, so the compiler doesn't need to know about the native VLIW instruction set (not very useful, because it still means they need to do all of the things that VLIW is supposed to eliminate - although perhaps they can just do them once and then cache the results).

Oh, and no one is stripping out branch prediction. With current CPUs, the cost of a branch prediction miss is horrendous (it can be over 200 instructions on a P4, for example), so removing branch prediction would absolutely cripple performance. This is one of the reasons why languages such as Java have high-level syntactic constructs like exceptions - to allow the compiler to provide a hint for the first time past the branch (the exception path is known to be lower probability).

Who cares?! Honestly!! (1, Informative)

0xdeaddead (797696) | more than 9 years ago | (#13031882)

The only reason people even care about this dead company is becuase Linus once worked there.

Face it this company is toast. NeXT even posted a profitable quater once too, and look where they are!

Ok kinda bad example, but unless someone wants their "technology" on a firesale this sucker is in game over territory.

And for all the boo hoo hoo geeks, you are like the fan bois that go on and on about the PPC, MIPS & the Dec Alpha, and yet have never owned one either in their hayday, or afterwards.

Face it the market is only in it for FAST x86, nobody cares about power. And if they did they want to see it from intel, or AMD.

Re:Who cares?! Honestly!! (4, Insightful)

jockm (233372) | more than 9 years ago | (#13031914)

Face it this company is toast. NeXT even posted a profitable quater once too, and look where they are!

Yeah, all Tom Sawyer like, they got Apple to pay NeXT to take over Apple...

Re:Who cares?! Honestly!! (1)

0xdeaddead (797696) | more than 9 years ago | (#13031927)

.. which was my point, but do you see anyone buying some 32bit x86 sorta clone? Unless its SGI that wants to go their own way, its game over.

To name four interested parties (1)

brokeninside (34168) | more than 9 years ago | (#13032418)

AMD, IBM, Intel and Via would all be interested in buying Transmeta on the strength of Transmeta's patent portfolio alone.

Re:Who cares?! Honestly!! (4, Insightful)

brokeninside (34168) | more than 9 years ago | (#13031989)

I, for one, never cared about Transmeta because `Linus once worked there.' Transmeta was cool because (1) they were making chips using an innovative design, which is rare, and (2) they were making chips for a niche that I have an active interest in. Turns out that neither their VLIW design nor their approach at x86 emulation turned out to be efficient enough to be effective, but it is tremendously interesting technology.

You're barking up the wrong tree with your point about NeXT. The NeXT crew got purchased by Apple, engineered a takeover, and now control the single largest Unix vendor in the world. Are you suggesting Transmeta might do something similiar?

You're probably correct that ``unless someone wants their "technology" on a firesale this sucker is in game over territory'', but not for any of the reasons you listed. The real reason is simple economics. Transmeta, however an interesting display of technology, failed to deliver a product that is superior to its competition. Which is the sad part. We don't know if their approach is a technical dead end or if their particular implementation of it is a dead end.

You're also dead wrong that ``the market is only in it for FAST x86, nobody cares about power. And if they did they want to see it from intel, or AMD'' as demonstrated by Microsoft dumping x86 for PPC in the XBOX part II and Sony moving to the cell processor for Playstation part III. Not to mention that Via seems to be doing a brisk business with its low-power x86 and ARM doesn't appear to be hurting either.

In one market nich, the desktop PC, you're probably correct. But desktop PCs are a relatively small port of the market for CPUs. When's the last time anyone bought a cell phone or a PDA because of the `Intel Inside' sticker? Who cares whether or not their hardware firewall is running at the latest and greatest high speed Ghz?

Re:Who cares?! Honestly!! (1)

0xdeaddead (797696) | more than 9 years ago | (#13032088)

What was their target market again? I was under the impression it was the mobile desktop.... Do they power cell phones etc etc?

As far as the game market, Im sure that it has something to do with low cost altivec... Not to mention IBMs willingness to branch out the cpu for high volume customers... Where as xbox, and ps2 volume is nothing to an intel....

Transmeta's market and Intel's volume (1)

brokeninside (34168) | more than 9 years ago | (#13032372)

Transmeta's market was always mobile computing, but for the most part only deluded /. geeks understood that to entirely consist of `mobile desktop'. AFAICT, they have targetted single board system embedded devices and thin clients as their primary target market from the get go. The closest `mobile desktop' gets to their target market is tablet computing which isn't really in the same category.

As far as the tens of millions of Xbox 360s and PS/3s that are expected to ship in the first year that they are launched, you are quite misinformed if you think that those numbers would be nothing to an Intel. Their flagship server processor, the Xeon, is lucky to sell a million units in a quarter. In 2004, it is estimated that just under 180 million PCs shipped worldwide. From my understanding, Intel has about 80% of that market meaning that that Intel's desktop sales is about 140 million CPUs. Game consoles, if we conservatively estimate XBOX 360 and PS/3 selling 10 million units per year each, would amount to 14% of Intel's desktop market. That is hardly `nothing.'

Re:Transmeta's market and Intel's volume (1)

Bassman59 (519820) | more than 9 years ago | (#13035154)

" Transmeta's market was always mobile computing,"

Actually, that's not true. I recall that Transmeta really thought that their "code-morphing" bullshit would be good enough to win processor sockets in desktop and perhaps even server boxes. I remember all of the hype: "Software running on the processor will translate x86 or PPC or whatever instructions on-the-fly and applications won't know the difference."

It didn't make any sense to me then, and I couldn't see how it could do its "emulation" fast enough to be reasonable. I mean, why replace a 1 GHz (at the time) processor with one that runs like it's a 66 MHz 486?

They also claimed that the "software" "code morphing" allowed it to use less power than a hardware implementation of the same instruction set. The thinking was that "it's a RISC machine, therefore it uses less power." Indeed it does, but the translated code crawls...

Turns out that my initial impressions were correct, and when the geniuses at Transmeta realized that their products would never compete in the desktop space, the chips were remarketed as low-power (both in watts and CPU horsepower) devices best suited to low-end, low-power-draw mobile applications.

Re:Transmeta's target market (1)

brokeninside (34168) | more than 9 years ago | (#13035405)

I remember all of the hype: "Software running on the processor will translate x86 or PPC or whatever instructions on-the-fly and applications won't know the difference."

I rememember the days when Transmeta's home page was apparently blank, but had a secret message about `coming soon' if you looked at the source. In those days, I remember /. speculating about all the things you mention. But all the actual press releases I remember had TM going after the thin client/embedded/tablet market rather than the desktop market. The way back machine's earliest archive of www.transmeta.com is from 2000 and it emphasizes devices like tablet PCs and internet appliances which are certainly not the desktop niche.

In fact, before TM starting making press releases about its initial processor, the speculation on the street was that they were going to launch some sort of handheld device akin to a Palm. Look at articles on rumor sites in the last quarter of 1999. After the Crusue debuted in Jan. of 2000, most analysts conjectured that ARM had more to worry about from TM than Intel or any other x86 vendor except maybe Nat Semi with their Geode processor. Time and again, it was mentioned that the chip was geared towards subnotebooks or other small devices, especially internet appliances.

And anyone that mistook TM's approach for RISC was sorely misguided. All their marketing propaganda was truthful in that it described the chip as VLIW. It did use less power because their were fewer transisters, but it was never RISC nor was it ever advertised as RISC. That you even bring RISC up in the discussion suggests that you're remembering more about idle speculation on /. than anything that actually came out of Transmeta.

Re:Who cares?! Honestly!! (2, Insightful)

TheRaven64 (641858) | more than 9 years ago | (#13032087)

Face it the market is only in it for FAST x86, nobody cares about power.

Have you looked at desktop Vs laptop sales recently? Have you compared the trends? It looks like a large and rapidly growing segment of the market (myself included) cares a whole lot more about power than speed (assuming we've got a GHz or so to play with).

Re:Who cares?! Honestly!! (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 9 years ago | (#13032094)

PPC, MIPS and ARM completely dominate over x86 in the embedded space. Of course, an x86 lu5er fan bois like you probably knows squat about embedded.

Re:Who cares?! Honestly!! (2, Insightful)

LWATCDR (28044) | more than 9 years ago | (#13032419)

"Face it the market is only in it for FAST x86, nobody cares about power. And if they did they want to see it from intel, or AMD."

You are insane or an idiot. Right now heat/power usage are huge issues. Apple is going to Intel largley because they could not get G5s to run cool enough for notebooks. Intel is going with Pentium M based cores because of heat vs speed issues with the PIVs. The current computers are more than fast enough for your average home and office use. What people want now are smaller and cheaper machines that do not require a small power plant to run and sound like a 747 on take off. Notebook sales are way up desktops are getting smaller. Even the slashdot crowd are moving away from full towers to mini-itx and shuttle like cases. The only thing you got remotely correct is that AMD and Intel will step up and provide it.

Re:Who cares?! Honestly!! (1)

sillybilly (668960) | more than 9 years ago | (#13035190)

"Face it the market is only in it for FAST x86, nobody cares about power. And if they did they want to see it from intel, or AMD."

Really? I bought an Athlon XP 2500 333 because there was a motherboard for $10 after rebate. Coughed up the dough for the memory too, plus I had to buy a video card because it's 1.5VAGP - they got me in the end, spent well over 200 that started out as 10 bux, still content. In any case, I was still happily chugging along on my 300A Celeron clocked to 450, still working like a charm after 6 years, used mostly for this, browsing the net, reading, playing games. Even MS Rise of Nations Trial was fast on it because it has an nVidia Geforce2MX, that's what counts. And this Athlon does not feel 5x fast.. at all.. maybe twice - the program start time is still mostly controlled by the disk speed, with its 10 ms access time/7200 rpm that hasn't changed much (capacity though went from 10 Gig to 120 Gigs in 6 years). Maybe if I was an http://distributed.net/ [distributed.net] RC5 freak trying to brute force crack keys, or if I did heavy video compression, I may need the juice. But this new CPU cooks.. while I read Slashdot.. the room warms up in the winter, I can feel it, unlike with the good old celery. I for one would be quite content to buy a chip that's cheap, consumes 5W and gives 1.5GHz equivalent performance.

More money in than out? (1)

lindelof (606257) | more than 9 years ago | (#13031889)

Does that mean they're borrowing heavily?

Transmeta is lying (-1, Troll)

Anonymous Coward | more than 9 years ago | (#13031906)

Just like that faggot Linus or Cox does whenever they say Linsux is more secure, stable, blah blah. Suck a dick for OSS lately? Fucking zealot faggots.

So what? (1)

Mister Impressive (875697) | more than 9 years ago | (#13031911)

This is from a high school student taking simple high school accounting..

More cash inflow than outflow doesn't necessarily mean its turning a profit. It can, but it doesn't have to. I think the editors (here and the external link) have jumped the gun on this one, and I'd rather wait for the real results announcement, instead of a little bit of information out of context. I'm sure there are real accountants here willing to contradict me, but it's just my 2 cents - regardless of how immaterial it is :P

Re:So what? (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 9 years ago | (#13032565)

For a growth company, positive cash flow is actually more important than profit. So this is very good news

That's because they sold their processor business (5, Informative)

Nova Express (100383) | more than 9 years ago | (#13031936)

I shouldn't be surprised by Slashdot's short institutional memory, but the rteason Transmeta showed a profit was that "it sold off most of its chipmaking business for $15 million to Culturecom Holdings." [business2.com] It's cash flow positive in the same way a family which auctions off all its belongings is cash-flow positive: temporarily.

Re:That's because they sold their processor busine (0)

Webmonger (24302) | more than 9 years ago | (#13032151)

What's amazing is that they could sell it. Who would want a piece of that business?

Re:That's because they sold their processor busine (2, Informative)

Otter (3800) | more than 9 years ago | (#13032203)

According to the article, this is cash flow from operations, so the revenue from the sales shouldn't be included. (Which, of course, doesn't mean it isn't, somehow.) More likely is that the sale eliminated a lot of red ink that would otherwise have been included in CFO.

transmeta results (2, Informative)

reallynewoldguy (898889) | more than 9 years ago | (#13031946)

The release from transmeta says that cash flow from operations is positive. This means that actually dollars out is higher than actual dollars in because there can dollars going out for non-operational items, such as capital expenses, repayment of loans, etc. The news is good news if you like transmeta because positive operating cash flow is better than negative - but it does not necessarily mean that transmeta can pay all its bills.

I am surprised (2, Informative)

mocm (141920) | more than 9 years ago | (#13031993)

that people don't think that Transmeta would be able to become pritable. After all, they changed their entire business model. They no longer manufacture CPUs, but have become an IP only company, like e.g. ARM. Additionally they have licensing and support contracts for their LongRun2 technology with NEC, Fujitsu and Sony. And they are working with Sony on the Cell processor. They don't say exactly what they are doing, but half of their engineers are now working for and essentially paid by Sony.
They also sold their remaining Crusoe and 130nm Efficeon CPUs and technology to a Chinese compny, while still retaining the 90nm Efficeon which will probably be manufactured by the new Fujitsu fab in Mie.

Re:I am surprised (1)

nacturation (646836) | more than 9 years ago | (#13039323)

They no longer manufacture CPUs, but have become an IP only company, like e.g. ARM.

I think you misspelled SCO. :)

you are reading stuff that came out of a transmeta (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 9 years ago | (#13032204)

based linux notebook. The Crusoe does a fine job. My 900MHz notebook has enough power to play back two DVD at once. Sure, it took a little tweaking, but the battery lasts a long time, it's cool(as opposed to kewl), and it keeps on ticking.

BRING OUT YOUR DEAD (2, Funny)

Anonymous Coward | more than 9 years ago | (#13032459)

CNN: Here's one.
SLASHDOT: Ninepence.
TRANSMETA: I'm not dead!
SLASHDOT: What?
CNN: Nothing. Here's your ninepence.
TRANSMETA: I'm not dead!
SLASHDOT: 'Ere. He says he's not dead!
CNN: Yes, he is.
TRANSMETA: I'm not!
SLASHDOT: He isn't?
CNN: Well, he will be soon. He's very ill.
TRANSMETA: I'm getting better!
CNN: No, you're not. You'll be stone dead in a moment.
SLASHDOT: Oh, I can't take him like that. It's against regulations.
TRANSMETA: I don't want to go on the cart!
CNN: Oh, don't be such a baby.
SLASHDOT: I can't take him.
TRANSMETA: I feel fine!
CNN: Well, do us a favour.
SLASHDOT: I can't.
CNN: Well, can you hang around a couple of minutes? He won't be long.
SLASHDOT: No, I've got to go to the Robinsons'. They've lost nine today.
CNN: Well, when's your next round?
SLASHDOT: Thursday.
TRANSMETA: I think I'll go for a walk.
CNN: You're not fooling anyone, you know. Look. Isn't there something you can do?
TRANSMETA: [singing] I feel happy. I feel happy. [whop]
CNN: Ah, thanks very much.
SLASHDOT: Not at all. See you on Thursday.

How to keep TransMeta Alive (1)

WindBourne (631190) | more than 9 years ago | (#13033025)

If Allen really wanted Transmeta to live, then what is needed is new and innovative ideas based on the chipsets. One approach is to fund ideas that use the hardware. MS used the approach of funding software for Windows 3.0 and NT 3.0.

Hemos commits Engrish! (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 9 years ago | (#13033781)

This is about after a month that CNN predicted that Transmeta was going under.


Nice one, Hemos. Your punishment will be to neurotically have someone else proof your work for a month or two.

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