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Nintendo Releasing Wireless Router for Revolution

CmdrTaco posted more than 9 years ago | from the wireless-uber-alles dept.

Wireless Networking 290

nmaster64 writes "Nintendo is really pushing their Nintendo Wi-fi hard, completely reversing the anti-online mentality they've held in years past. Nwizard.com reports, "Nintendo will soon be producing a router that will allow access to the Nintendo Wi-Fi Network on both the DS and the Revolution. The router plugs into a USB 2.0 port and transfers your computers internet connection wirelessly into your next-gen Nintendo devices." It should be noted this story came at almost the same time as Sony announced they dropped the PS3's router functionality." Update: 07/13 06:20 GMT by Z : Please note there is no source referenced for this "story", and this could in fact be some guy's pet theory.

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Let me get this straight... (-1, Troll)

Walkiry (698192) | more than 9 years ago | (#13041235)

The "Revolution" is so advanced that... it needs a computer to have access to a Wi-Fi network.

Very revolutionary, you've blown my mind with this one big N!

Re:Let me get this straight... (4, Funny)

TobyWong (168498) | more than 9 years ago | (#13041241)

Wait wait wait, somehow they are able to catapault bits and bites through mid air???

What manner of sorcery is this nintendo?!?

Re:Let me get this straight... (1)

worst_name_ever (633374) | more than 9 years ago | (#13041347)

Wait wait wait, somehow they are able to catapault bits and bites through mid air???

Well, not so much catapulting as jumping from floating platform to floating platform, but yes...

Re:Let me get this straight... (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 9 years ago | (#13041249)

not only that they use their own proportary protocol

im onkly hoping that DS:linux can use the wirless in a meaningful way and gets beter so i can buy a cheap pda!

wish it had blue tooth

Re:Let me get this straight... (1, Informative)

falcon5768 (629591) | more than 9 years ago | (#13041266)

obviously its using a computer because they want to make it as cheap as possible (maybe even in the 30 dollar range or less) by eliminating things in the router a computer can do, but still offer it for the laymen 98% of whom DONT read slashdot and who are NOT tech savvy and thus might not have 802.11 access in their house or *gasp* use a dial up modem!!!

Re:Let me get this straight... (1)

TobyWong (168498) | more than 9 years ago | (#13041289)

The luddites you describe are not going to buy the latest console for the same reason they don't buy any other bleeding edge gadgets. They will be happily playing their PSX or dreamcast without a care in the world.

Re:Let me get this straight... (1)

Walkiry (698192) | more than 9 years ago | (#13041294)

> obviously its using a computer because they want to make it as cheap as possible

Computers are cheaper than a console accesory these days? Who'd have thought!

> but still offer it for the laymen

I though the laymen were the ones /.ers said to know nothing about computers, have them infested with malware and run unpatched windows machines open for everyone. And somehow a device that plugs in one of them infernal machines is better than an accessory that connects directly to the console and just works? Surely you jest!

Re:Let me get this straight... (0, Troll)

frankthechicken (607647) | more than 9 years ago | (#13041271)

Not as revolutionary as Nintendo's next, the "Parasite".

Needing a computer to connect to so that it can use its CPU & GPU, it represents the very essence of Nintendo philosophy, the re-use and recycling of known and proven technology.

Re:Let me get this straight... (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 9 years ago | (#13041342)

Meanwhile, Sony releases their next next-gen system codenamed "The Behemoth". The machine is a gaming system/computer/oven/SUV/washer-dryer-combo and can even double as a crib for your young children. However, parents be warned...Sony is not liable for The Behemoth growing jealous of the time you spend with your children and is not responsible for any unexpected deaths.

Re:Let me get this straight... (2, Interesting)

DarkDust (239124) | more than 9 years ago | (#13041297)

The "Revolution" is so advanced that... it needs a computer to have access to a Wi-Fi network

I think misunderstood that: the Revolution has built-in WiFi and Nintendo is selling a WiFi router so PCs can access that WiFi net... they use their own WiFi network. This means if you buy a Revolution and have a DS, the DS can connect to the Revolution immediately without the need of buying a connector.

AFAIK they have their own WiFi net because of the special requirements a gaming device has.

Re:Let me get this straight... (4, Insightful)

rhennigan (833589) | more than 9 years ago | (#13041303)

Nice troll, but the Revolution, just like the DS, will work with any 802.11b/g router. This is just a cheap solution for those without a wireless network already in their home.

Re:Let me get this straight... (-1)

Walkiry (698192) | more than 9 years ago | (#13041333)

As opposed to a fucking Ethernet port in the console? "Cheap" can be such a funny word...

Re:Let me get this straight... (2, Insightful)

cowscows (103644) | more than 9 years ago | (#13041453)

Not everyone wants to run Cat5 from their computer room, through the hallway, into the living room, around the couch, and into their gaming console. Dropping ports through the walls isn't the easiest thing for a lot of people either. God forbid Nintendo offer us any choices.

Re:Let me get this straight... (2, Insightful)

Walkiry (698192) | more than 9 years ago | (#13041548)

No, you run the Cat-5 from the console to the cable modem/DSL box(modem/router)/whatever, and then to the wall. All that usually amounts to little more than a couple of meters of cable, nicely fitting behind a sofa. If you have cable TV and cable internet you pretty much have everything you need already next to the TV.

>God forbid Nintendo offer us any choices.

How is it offering ONLY Wi-Fi a choice, and offering only ethernet NOT a choice?

Re:Let me get this straight... (1)

bleaknik (780571) | more than 9 years ago | (#13041538)

I don't think Nintendo has officially said that the Revolution won't have an Ethernet port.

Re:Let me get this straight... (1)

kyojin the clown (842642) | more than 9 years ago | (#13041765)

retard, its a cheap way of utilising the wireless features of the Revolution. not everyone wants CAT5 running around their home, this is a nice easy way to wirelessly hook up your revolution to the internet if you dont already have a wireless AP.

Animal crossing at work ! (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 9 years ago | (#13041244)

nice... now i can buy this plug it into my pc at work and enjoy some nice DS games online..i wonder if i can get the go ahead at work if i promise to allow them to sponsor my animal crossing town... seems fair to me?

Yes, but... (5, Funny)

mrRay720 (874710) | more than 9 years ago | (#13041248)

...is Mario WPA enabled? Without decent wireless security that princess will just get stolen again. :(

WiFi for consoles makes sense (4, Informative)

ReformedExCon (897248) | more than 9 years ago | (#13041260)

The ability to reduce the number of cables is absolutely outstanding. A console that can be attached to the Internet without having to run a wire from the router or wireless hub to the box is a godsend. The ping times might suffer a little, though, I bet.

I can't understand why Sony would want to withdraw WiFi from the PS3 spec, though. If it is a technical issue, then you can bet they will come back later with an add-on WiFi dongle. If it is something else, then they've got me in the dark as to why they would reduce the spec at this stage when PS3s aren't even scheduled to hit the stores yet.

But as wireless networking becomes faster, and broadband providers start providing wireless router modems, this kind of thing is going to become the norm. Not only games, of course, but almost anything that needs to "think" more than a "dumb" device will be designed to take advantage of the home-wireless LAN.

Re:WiFi for consoles makes sense (1)

jmp_nyc (895404) | more than 9 years ago | (#13041308)

Yes, it makes sense, but it sounds to me like they aren't allowing the ability to simply use an existing wi-fi network if one is already in place in your home...
-JMP

Re:WiFi for consoles makes sense (1)

MindStalker (22827) | more than 9 years ago | (#13041400)

This is already true for the Gameboy DS. It uses WiFi but its incompatible with existing WiFi standards. Revolution will use the same standard. Not sure exactly why, but as I understand their controllers use the same system. So this standard is probably more inline with wireless USB than 811

Re:WiFi for consoles makes sense (4, Informative)

heov (740302) | more than 9 years ago | (#13041458)

it's nintendo ds, not gameboy ds. the ds has both wifi and a proprietary rf signal. currently it uses the proprietary rf signal for DS to DS communication. the wifi radio in the ds will be used when online games finally come out. it's real wifi. can work on any router. same goes w/ the revolution. the controller uses a proprietary signal, but online play is standard wifi. this device nintendo released is basically a proprietary wifi dongle. it's not required, but is meant for those who don't have wifi already (which i suggest simply buying a real router)

Re:WiFi for consoles makes sense (5, Insightful)

John Betonschaar (178617) | more than 9 years ago | (#13041322)

I can't understand why Sony would want to withdraw WiFi from the PS3 spec, though.

Probably because they can't deliver what they've promised, just like with the PSX and the PS2: a mouthfull of hype and buzz, but in the end half of the features are pulled, and the performance is nowhere near the initial announcements (remember how the PS2 would be '100 times faster than any PC on the market' at the time it would be launched. See the PS3/Cell buzz right now...

Nintendo however not only 'reverses the anti-online mentality' but also reverses Sony's marketing practices: stay silent and keep your feature set undisclosed until its really sure what the final product will be like, this way not disappointing their future customers.

Still Sony seems to be winning over Nintendo... Which IMO is a pity, not only hardware-wise but also software-wise...

Nintendo's marketing strategy (4, Insightful)

Manchot (847225) | more than 9 years ago | (#13041324)

I'm getting the impression that for this generation of consoles, Nintendo's decided to sit out of the marketing hype war that Sony and Microsoft are enaged in. Then, whenever either of those two companies admits to overhyping their product, Nintendo swoops in and shows them up by announcing a previously-unknown feature (such as this).

Re:WiFi for consoles makes sense (4, Insightful)

Hast (24833) | more than 9 years ago | (#13041457)

I can't understand why Sony would want to withdraw WiFi from the PS3 spec, though.

That's because they are not removing the WiFi from the PS3. They are removing the /router/ functionality.

Originally it was supposed to have 3 extra Gbit ethernet connections on the back allowing you to use the PS3 as a networking router. I guess they came to their senses and figured out that no-one wants a console to be a router when a dedicated router which is quiet is dirt cheap.

Re:WiFi for consoles makes sense (1)

aussie_a (778472) | more than 9 years ago | (#13041590)

They are removing the /router/ functionality.

They're not even doing that. They're just admitting they can't deliver router functionality when the PS3 is released.

Re:WiFi for consoles makes sense (1)

shokk (187512) | more than 9 years ago | (#13041648)

The router plugs into a USB 2.0 port and transfers your computers internet connection wirelessly into your next-gen Nintendo devices.


This is no good. Your Nintendo equipment is now dependent on owning a PC in order to have internet play? Are they advertising the "extra PC" as an additional costs you will need to make in order to play on the internet? Bet they gloss over that one.


NOTE: In order to use the controllers on your Nintendo game system, we will require you to connect a special module to your blender and run it while playing any games.

Router? (5, Insightful)

Freaky Spook (811861) | more than 9 years ago | (#13041262)

How is it a router if it has to plug into a PC to use its internet connection and not nativley negotiate it coming in?

Wouldn't you just buy a router dedicated to handle both connections sepratley? They are not that expensive these days.

Re:Router? (1)

falcon5768 (629591) | more than 9 years ago | (#13041290)

yeah but a good one is around the range of the Revolutions expected price, they want this to be dirt cheap.

As I said in another post, I have a feeling this is for those people who dont have wifi and who might even still use dialup. Likely anyone who does have a wifi setup wont need it. Nintendo is basically taking the Apple route and making it stupidly easy for the common man to do, which for a gaming system I think is a very smart move.

Re:Router? (1)

REggert (823158) | more than 9 years ago | (#13041593)

There are routers out there that will handle dialup connections. I haven't seen any wireless routers that do it, though. I had to set up a BARRICADE router, external Modem Blaster, and a Linksys wireless access point in my parents' house a few years back so that my dad, my brother, my sister, (on rare occasions, my mom) and I could simultaneously use the 56.6k (usually 33.6k) dialup connection that my parents (still) have (no cable or DSL available in their area). It was horrifically slow and unreliable, but it ended the War for Internet Access that had been going on previously.

Granted, your point about making things stupidly easy still stands, as does your point about price.

Re:Router? (1)

falcon5768 (629591) | more than 9 years ago | (#13041641)

the Apple airport handles 56k too, but if you look all of them are easily 80+ while i suspect this thing wont even break 40 dollars.

Re:Router? (1)

Guppy06 (410832) | more than 9 years ago | (#13041586)

All gateways are routers but not all routers are gateways.

what will they do with it? (2, Informative)

kidtux1 (896975) | more than 9 years ago | (#13041272)

I'm curious what futire plans they have instore for this. Nintendo is always considered a great innovator so it stands to reason that they will come up with some intersting things to use this router for. At least I hope so, because who wants to us the ds to browse the net when you have to be near a computer anyway just to access the wifi signal =p

Download old games. (1)

strongmace (890237) | more than 9 years ago | (#13041315)

You buy and dl nes and snes games of course! Now, if only I liked the newer games they are putting out, I may buy the Revolution. The best games from Gamecube are the rehashes of the classics mmmm.

Re:Download old games. (1)

Manchot (847225) | more than 9 years ago | (#13041507)

The best games from Gamecube are the rehashes of the classics mmmm.

Yes, because Metroid Prime was such a rehash of Super Metroid.

Nintendo back on top? (-1, Flamebait)

conner_bw (120497) | more than 9 years ago | (#13041274)

Wait, PS3 dropped support for a router? Does this mean Nintendo is going to make a comeback into being relevant again?

Re:Nintendo back on top? (1)

Soybean47 (885009) | more than 9 years ago | (#13041305)

Well, no. The two aren't actually particularly related. Despite both being called "routers" in the press releases, the PS3 was going to be a router, where you could plug computers (or more PS3s, or whatever) into it to get online. This is actually a USB wireless access point, which is basically not a router at all, and is just a way of connecting your Nintendo products to your computer and/or the internet.

Re:Nintendo back on top? (4, Insightful)

_PimpDaddy7_ (415866) | more than 9 years ago | (#13041320)

Does this mean Nintendo is going to make a comeback into being relevant again?

Nintendo was always relevant. Sure their sales were never as big as Xbox or PS2, but Nintendo had a great niche market that generated good revenue. They didn't need huge sales numbers. Nintendo has always made quality games and always been part of a niche market.

This wireless will only add value to an already great, present, niche market. They know what they are doing.

Re:Nintendo back on top? (1)

BronxBomber (633404) | more than 9 years ago | (#13041323)

Since when did being (or not being, as the case is with the PS3) a WiFi device/router become the primary criteria by which a gaming console is judged?

Youre already ready to drop the PS3 into 3rd in the console wars because it wont do what an already existing, inexpensive piece of hardware you can pick up just about anywhere can do?

Call me crazy, but I thought graphic capability and its games "fun factor" were meant to be more important.

Perhaps now with the cash saved PS3 could TRULY revolutionize console gaming and include a friggin second controller out of the box.

Re:Nintendo back on top? (1)

aussie_a (778472) | more than 9 years ago | (#13041631)

Perhaps now with the cash saved PS3 could TRULY revolutionize console gaming and include a friggin second controller out of the box.

That's about as revolutionary as upgrading the graphics card.

Re:Nintendo back on top? (1)

lowrydr310 (830514) | more than 9 years ago | (#13041721)

Just like many people on ./ have previously commented on next-gen console discussions, these new consoles don't have anything truly revolutionary about them. The game demos that I've seen look just like any other old game with slightly better graphics.

What we need is a revolution, and I'm very curious to see what Nintendo is going to offer.

Re:Nintendo back on top? (1)

Xionen (897996) | more than 9 years ago | (#13041442)

I hate to tell you, however Xenon will most likely blow away revolution and Ps3. Mainly because Microsoft figured out that when they make a console, maybe they should think about having game designers sign up for them! So now that they have a dedicated proccesor, wi-fi, and game designers, they win. Dont' get me wrong, I hope that Nintendo think of some crazy innovative way of using the internet and games, I will probably buy it just for fun.

Re:Nintendo back on top? (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 9 years ago | (#13041518)

I don't know, I read a nice article on the processors and it sounds like both the Xbox360 and PS3 will be a bitch to code for. While not much is known about the Revolution the Gamecube was actually setup quite nicely so hopefully Nintendo will keep with the ease of coding.

Also since when has Microsoft ever gotten a product right before the third generation?

Re:Nintendo back on top? (1)

koi88 (640490) | more than 9 years ago | (#13041486)


Does this mean Nintendo is going to make a comeback into being relevant again?

They were always relevant. Their Gamecube is just kind of marginalized in the US market, which is not the hottest market for game consoles anyway.
And Sony's and Microsoft's hype tried to marginalize Nintendo.
But we will see. Sony and MS promise, Nintendo delivers.

Windows only? (4, Interesting)

Apreche (239272) | more than 9 years ago | (#13041298)

USB eh? Will it only work on windows? Nintendo has traditionally stayed away from the PC to avoid the inconsistency that comes with such a platform. I'm surprised they didn't just make a router that connects with a cat5 cable and does DHCP. Would be much more seamless than a USB device and OS independent.

As for security, I'm not worried. It is likely that this router will be for Nintendo devices only and wont be subject to war drivers. Notice on the bottom of the DS it says "RSA Secured". Whatever patented security mechanism that refers to is what makes Nintendo wireless different from the wireless our laptops use.

Re:Windows only? (1)

LWATCDR (28044) | more than 9 years ago | (#13041456)

" I'm surprised they didn't just make a router that connects with a cat5 cable and does DHCP."
I am not. This solution will work with any type of internet connection even dial up. But will it work with Mac?

USB net works with Linux too.. (2, Informative)

Gopal.V (532678) | more than 9 years ago | (#13041475)

USB eh? Will it only work on windows?
bash$ modprobe usbnet

bash$ ifconfig usb0 10.0.0.27
I think this would work nicely on a Linux box - provided they use a standard usbnet instead of some proprietary protocol over USB. It's pretty much as standard as CAT5 ethernet.

Re:Windows only? (1)

Darth Maul (19860) | more than 9 years ago | (#13041520)


Yes, this is my fear. Sure, you can say that USB is supported on Win, Linux, Apple, but then that assumes there is some special software (no doubt with DRM for our convenience). Why not just make it like the Apple Airport Express wireless station that just has a Cat-5 connection? Just use DHCP. It's that easy.

I do NOT play games on a PC, but only on my Gamecube. If Nintendo all of the sudden relies on a Windows PC to do all this magic, I will have to turn in my fanboy card.

Re:Windows only? (1)

akhomerun (893103) | more than 9 years ago | (#13041646)

have any of you heard of java?

Re:Windows only? (4, Informative)

Dolda2000 (759023) | more than 9 years ago | (#13041663)

If Nintendo all of the sudden relies on a Windows PC to do all this magic, I will have to turn in my fanboy card.
That you won't have to do. Regardlessly of whether this router requires Windows, both the DS and the Revolution are still compatible with standard 802.11b (and g?) WiFi networks. So you can still use an ordinary WiFi AP to do that magic.

Re:Windows only? (1)

Darth Maul (19860) | more than 9 years ago | (#13041754)

Interesting... I have a DS. Any ideas on how it will actually handle discovery of standard WiFi networks? Right now it can only discover other DS units. So I imagine there would have to be some sort of firmware update, no?

It should also be noted... (2, Informative)

Quarters (18322) | more than 9 years ago | (#13041300)

It should be noted this story came at almost the same time as Sony announced they dropped the PS3's router functionality.

It should also be noted that there is no connection whatsoever between the the statements/actions of either company and there is no point in the above sentence being in the article summary.

Besides, the Nintendo USB2.0 WiFi device is a bridge, not a router.

Re:It should also be noted... (3, Insightful)

willpall (632050) | more than 9 years ago | (#13041376)

It should also be noted that there is no connection whatsoever between the the statements/actions of either company and there is no point in the above sentence being in the article summary.

No point? It was a contrasting statement. I did not know that Sony had made that decision, as much I as I did not know about Nintendo's plans for this "router." (bridge). I found it interesting that these two console manufacturers are seemingly choosing different strategies. I did not see an implication in the summary that one decision lead to or affected the other.

But, how do you know that there is no connection whatsoever? You know this? If I were a marketing guy at Nintendo, and I had been planning to announce this funcionality on a certain date, then found out that a competitor had just announced something related--and indeed opposite--my company's strategy, I would make the announcement sooner. I'm not saying that's what happened here, but it is certainly plausible and for that reason... "It should be noted"

Re:It should also be noted... (2, Interesting)

aussie_a (778472) | more than 9 years ago | (#13041695)

It should also be noted that there is no connection whatsoever between the the statements/actions of either company and there is no point in the above sentence being in the article summary.

On the same day Sony dropped a feature from the PS3, Nintendo announced a feature on the Revolution (with next to nothing known about it). Now it may have been a co-incidence, but they're both about features for the next consoles. I'd say there's very much a point of it being in the summary.

Game console requires a PC? (2, Insightful)

Alien Being (18488) | more than 9 years ago | (#13041301)

There's not much info in the article. Is this some Windows-only kludge?

Re:Game console requires a PC? (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 9 years ago | (#13041334)

Putting it out for fringe OS's would not be cost effective.

Re:Game console requires a PC? (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 9 years ago | (#13041373)

Either that, or they figure that by being dependent on Windows they can just say it's MS's fault when things don't work and everyone will believe them.

Source? (2, Interesting)

Pointdexter (89416) | more than 9 years ago | (#13041313)

I notice this was submitted by the same guy that wrote the post over at nwizard. Is there any official news on it?

Re:Source? (1)

crazdgamer (846581) | more than 9 years ago | (#13041441)

There is nothing on nintendo.com or ign.com

I'm seriously doubting the validity of this article.

Re:Source? (1)

Tanmi-Daiow (802793) | more than 9 years ago | (#13041659)

since when is ign.com considered a valid source?

Re:Source? (1)

frazzydee (731240) | more than 9 years ago | (#13041734)

I searched on google news, and I found a few different sources:
Advanced Media Network [advancedmn.com] , GameCube Europe [cube-europe.com] , Gamesradar.com [msn.co.uk] .

If you go through the sources, you'll see that AMN's source is GameCube Europe. GameCube Europe's sources is Aussie-Nintendo. Gamesradar says that its info came from Australian internet reports, and it gives a quote that is directly from Aussie-Nintendo, so it's fairly safe to assume that Aussie-Nintendo is their source too. If I had to take a wild guess where this started, I'd say it started there [aussie-nintendo.com] .

Aussie-Nintendo says that they got this info by emailing Nintendo of America. This could definitely be a hoax. If it was official word from Nintendo, wouldn't they have a press release rather than just emailing some random guy?

However, a Nintendo representative could have released that information without knowing that it was a secret, or this could be Nintendo trying to build up hype. It's too late to know for sure, but we definitely don't know for certain whether this is the truth or just a hoax. Right now it's pretty much just internet rumours.

Right away people bash nintendo (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 9 years ago | (#13041321)

right away people are bashing nintendo.

THis is awesome for people who wouldnt know how to set up a router at home. what could be easier then to just plug this into a usb port.

They are trying to make this really easy to go online . How come microsoft or sony haent thought of this?

Re:Right away people bash nintendo (-1, Flamebait)

JFitzsimmons (764599) | more than 9 years ago | (#13041504)

Gee... uh, just plugging into a RJ-45 port?

Re:Right away people bash nintendo (1)

ant_slayer (516684) | more than 9 years ago | (#13041729)

Then you'll get people trying to plug their RJ-45 cable into the "voice" port of their internal modem -- oops. Or maybe they'll try to go buy an adapter so they can plug it into the wall. Or maybe they'll complain because they have to *unplug* their computer from the cable modem so they can plug in.

Ultimately, we, the Slashdot crowd (egad, am I including myself in the Slashdot crowd?!?), must be careful not to assume that we are a representative sample. Not everyone has broadband Internet connections... even then, what percentage do you think have little routers with RJ-45 ports?

All that said -- I say do both, but hey, I'm not the one trying to fit all those cool chips in that little case =).

Ant Slayer

the console of my youth (0, Offtopic)

milktoastman (572643) | more than 9 years ago | (#13041328)

I remember that old gray box with its 8 bit graphics...way back before I imagined the Net or wireless. It ain't exactly postmodern...but more like tensi-modern. What kind of cogency does this make for me (or you)? Just sit back, have a beer and reflect on it. With all the current graphics capabilities, remember how dust might stick to the old vent grill on your old gray box from the 80s (and you most certainly would slip through those grills given adequate size reversion and see exactly what caused those dusty cartridges to flash gibberish on your screen), and how impossible filth is to imagine in the wireless age collecting on anything! (But we know it does)

Re:the console of my youth (2, Informative)

Zedrick (764028) | more than 9 years ago | (#13041368)

If you're talking about the NES, your memory is a bit clouded. It has an 8 bit processor and can display 24 colours on screen, not 256 (8 bits).

Re:the console of my youth (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 9 years ago | (#13041412)

Oh come on, we all knew what he was talking about...

Re:the console of my youth (0)

milktoastman (572643) | more than 9 years ago | (#13041426)

Cogency, man. Cogency....

Re:the console of my youth (0)

Zedrick (764028) | more than 9 years ago | (#13041481)

Well... yeah. But I'm at work, bored to death and with nothing better to do pick on details in Slashdot comments.

Re:the console of my youth (-1)

Anonymous Coward | more than 9 years ago | (#13041550)

I think it was flamebait. and who am i? ;)

The downfall of Nintendo (-1, Troll)

Macblaster (94623) | more than 9 years ago | (#13041331)

It's really sad what has happened to Nintendo in recent years. Although in my mind, their heyday was the NES and SNES, I think most others would say their last major success was the N64...

Maybe it was the gamecube's clunky shape, or lack of DVD functionality. Of course the severe lack of enjoyable games hurts too. Xbox has its various Halos. Playstation has Katamari Damacy. In my mind, Mario Kart 64 is better than the newest version of the game. And thankfully Pokemon disappeared as quickly as it did.

The problems with Nintendo, (at least consoles, not so much handhelds) are not really with technology, but with what they do with it. New wireless support will not help the company for as long as the same people who came up with Mini-DVD disks and whoever is in charge of their game licensing division are still in power.

Re:The downfall of Nintendo (5, Insightful)

cowscows (103644) | more than 9 years ago | (#13041427)

The problems with Nintendo are much simpler than that. They pissed off all their 3rd party support with the N64 (expensive cartridges instead of cheap optical disks, and other stupid moves). And a lot of those third parties were still a little upset because Nintendo made some fairly anti-competitive moves during their NES monopoly marketshare days.

Also, while gaming in general began to market heavily towards the teenage male demographic with games involving gore, violence, and less clothing, Nintendo generally just kept making the games they wanted to make, and with Mario and the like they took on the aura of "kiddie games."

With all of that, Nintendo's marketshare has dropped significantly, and Sony and MS have become major players. In my opinion, however, Nintendo's games are generally just as high quality as they ever were. And they're definitely the most innovative of the big three.

Halo made the Xbox, no argument there. The PS2 is not riding high on the coattails of Katamari Damacy, its real killer app was GTA3, although it already had plenty of market share by that point.

*shrug* It's my anecdotal evidence vs yours at this point, but I thought the gamecube Mario Kart was a real improvement over the N64 version. I have all three of the current consoles, with a similar number of games for each, and the gamecube easily sees the most play. Not to mention that, except for Burnout3 on the Xbox, I can't get my girlfriend to play anything other than the gamecube.

I hope Nintendo keeps doing what they've been doing(with a few minor exceptions maybe). And hopefully as the gaming community continues to mature, more people will rediscover how Nintendo does a good job of making fun games.

Re:The downfall of Nintendo (2, Informative)

Kupek (75469) | more than 9 years ago | (#13041633)

Take a look at this article: Nintendo Versus Everyone: The Business of Business [buzzcut.com]

A quote from the article:
In this light, it's odd how few game commentators seem to understand just how profitable Nintendo really is. With a net margin of over 20%, Nintendo is a financial rock star. Just by way of comparison, General Electric, that monster global conglomerate whose executives write the books about corporate leadership that other Fortune 500 execs read, clocks in with a net margin of 11%. Nintendo's business engine is so efficient that even though they sell far less than Sony, they make, bottom line, about as much as all of Sony.

Re:The downfall of Nintendo (1)

fabs64 (657132) | more than 9 years ago | (#13041430)

Eternal Darkness, Resident Evil 4, Zelda, Metroid.. Just off the top of my head.

There are a whole lot of good games for the gamecube if you take off those blinkers and just look a little to the side.

Re:The downfall of Nintendo (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 9 years ago | (#13041462)

The N64 their last biggest success? The n64 was their downfall. Sticking with a cartridge format and alienating all their 3rd party dev's is what shot them in the foot.

The gamecube is what has been helping them hold on to market share with titles such as resident evil 4 and the new zelda game coming out sometime this year.

Hopefully they use the momentum they're gaining and do well with the revolution.

Standard spec? (3, Interesting)

m50d (797211) | more than 9 years ago | (#13041348)

Will it still work with a standard wireless router like the one I have in front of me?

Re:Standard spec? (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 9 years ago | (#13041516)

It uses 802.11 but not b, a, or g. It's a nintendo protocol, so my guess is... probably not without drivers.

Re:Standard spec? (3, Informative)

Torne (78524) | more than 9 years ago | (#13041711)

The DS uses 802.11b, perfectly standard. The Revolution may be 11b or 11g, I don't know, but will also be standard. What's nonstandard is that the DS (and presumably the Revolution when talking to the DS) does not use IP over the top of 802.11b, but a custom layer 3 protocol. When being used for online play, it will use IP, the same as everything else (otherwise it won't be able to talk to the Internet), and there is absolutely no suggestion whatsoever that it will not work with a standard wifi access point. Animal Crossing DS is being marketed as working with any wifi hotspot.

The 'Ni-fi' referred to on DS hacking sites is the layer 3 protocol used by the DS above standard 802.11b, it's not meant to imply that it's not standard wifi.

HD capability next? (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 9 years ago | (#13041358)

Hopefully they will get some sense and make the same 180 degree turn around with their ridiculous anti-HD policy.

Hmm (5, Insightful)

BronxBomber (633404) | more than 9 years ago | (#13041362)

Among all the hype with all 3 consoles, I hope as much attention is being paid to game playability and fun factor.

The Genesis, NES, and TurboGraphx16 werent online (well, the Genesis was with XBand eventually), and some of the most innovative, playable games were released on those 3 platforms.

Super Mario Bros 3, Earthworm Jim, the original Metal Gear, Final Fantasy - a long laundry list of original titles.

Here we are now in the wireless age and I cant count how many shooter titles are on the Xbox, or generic RPG titles are available on the PS2. The GC clearly still holds rank with gameplay innovation, but interestingly they sit 3rd overall in the worldwide console battle.

Its kind of sad, really. The market seems to be more concerned with whether or not I can get on the net with yet ANOTHER device, instead of making games compelling enough for me to WANT to get online with it.

Re:Hmm (1)

kryogen1x (838672) | more than 9 years ago | (#13041437)

The Genesis, NES, and TurboGraphx16 werent online (well, the Genesis was with XBand eventually), and some of the most innovative, playable games were released on those 3 platforms.

Teleplay Modem. [nesworld.com]

Re:Hmm (1)

Tanmi-Daiow (802793) | more than 9 years ago | (#13041530)

What do you mean "3rd overall"? You must be looking at the numbers of consoles sold. But if you read the story back here [slashdot.org] , you will notice that Nintendo is defintely not losing, either.

Re:Hmm (1)

fwk (896031) | more than 9 years ago | (#13041555)

Here we are now in the wireless age and I cant count how many shooter titles are on the Xbox, or generic RPG titles are available on the PS2. The GC clearly still holds rank with gameplay innovation, but interestingly they sit 3rd overall in the worldwide console battle.

The "average" player thinks killing your friends on an ok FPS or outlevel them in a cloned-FF RPG is more than enough to make a game worth getting.

On the other hand could it be that popularity also reflects the amount of illegal copies of games for each console?

Nail in the PSP coffin? (-1, Offtopic)

cmstar (521171) | more than 9 years ago | (#13041366)

The DS is outselling the PSP in Japan, and other than hackability, there seems to be a lack of interest for in in the US (the PSP that is). Will the new wireless router and capabilities will this be the nail in the PSP's coffin? As a gamer, the PSP doesn't impress me...cause of the lack of good games. As a geek though, it's pretty sweet to have that screen for portable MAME. You can get a PSP for free here: http://www.psps4free.com/default.aspx?r=286409 [psps4free.com] Free DS here: http://www.ds4free.com/default.aspx?r=68137 [ds4free.com] Nintendo isn't even budging in the handheld market, and looks like they're learning from mistakes in the home console biz. I'm ready for a game revolution.

Re:Nail in the PSP coffin? (0)

voodoo_bluesman (255725) | more than 9 years ago | (#13041386)

hehe, ok - this pyramid scheme is looking very attractive right now.

Any success?

Since when is Nintendo anti-online? (5, Insightful)

_iris (92554) | more than 9 years ago | (#13041369)

"...completely reversing the anti-online mentality they've held in years past."

Since when did Nintendo have an anti-online mentality? All I have ever read Nintendo executives say is that the market was not ready and would only be ready at the tail end of the GameCube's lifecycle, so it didn't make financial sense for them to go out of their way to support it on the GC.

So far I'd say they were pretty accurate. The XBox Live subscription level is about 2.5% of the worldwide sales; 350,000 subscribers out of 13.7 mil sales. Those numbers are from 2003 and late 2004 respectively. The fact that Microsoft hasn't published their subscription level for XBox Live since 2003 is pretty telling that they are in the very situation that Nintendo did not want to be in. They brought a product to market before the market was ready. It was just successful enough that it is going to be a pain to support, yet it isn't successful enough to be cost effective.

Re:Since when is Nintendo anti-online? (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 9 years ago | (#13041565)

The XBox Live subscription level is about 2.5% of the worldwide sales; 350,000 subscribers out of 13.7 mil sales. Those numbers are from 2003 and late 2004 respectively

I'm sure Halo 2 increased that number. Unofficial floating number I see thrown around is 500,000 subscribers for Halo 2 alone.

Re:Since when is Nintendo anti-online? (1)

GuyErnest (869942) | more than 9 years ago | (#13041624)

MS are not looking to make money from their console, at least not in the first few years. They have a lot of money to try anything that maybe in the long run will give them the advantage.

This is why they jumped and put the XBox live although they also knew that the market is still not ready for it.

Where is the Standards??? (1)

Pablo El Vagabundo (775863) | more than 9 years ago | (#13041450)


So from reading this it looks like that the Revolution will not be compatible with the WiFi net I have already in the the house.

What is the point of that?? I now have to turn on a PC with a USB dongle on it to connect to the internet. I hate wasting power. Why not realse one with CAT5 so i could hook it up to my current WiFI BB modem/router??????

I was getting excited about these, I hope I am missing something here.

Pablo
"Battle!!"

Re:Where is the Standards??? (2, Informative)

Pablo El Vagabundo (775863) | more than 9 years ago | (#13041529)


A little more "research" and it looks like I am dead wrong..

Here is a specs:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nintendo_Revolution [wikipedia.org]

Hysterics over.. Nothing to see here. Move along..

Pablo
"Battle!!"

looks like it will work me my little wifi settup..

Revolution Controller! (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 9 years ago | (#13041472)

...and just like that the big mystery behind the Revolution controller is revealed! The answers to the biggest mysteries are often right in front of our eyes (or something like that).

But seriously, I'm sure there will be some games that will allow the use of the Nintendo DS as a Revolution controller. They're definetly setting up for that, (they did it with the GBA, just not as wirelessly)

USB!? What about drivers? For *WHAT* OS? (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 9 years ago | (#13041499)

USB needs drivers, if I am not wrong for pretty much any OS there. Does that mean they will be developing drivers for all the myriad of Windows versions, Mac OS versions, Linux, and what other OSs? Because I doubt it. And I doubt it to that they will release anything under open source...

I already have my own router, so not that I care (unless its reasonably cute). Still, I guess the thing about N's router is that it will not need no port redirection in NATs or other stuff. Well, the XBox plays nice behind a router doing NAT with no need for tinckering with ports either... :-/

Yay, online play! (1)

TooMuchEspressoGuy (763203) | more than 9 years ago | (#13041511)

Because I always wanted to play more shooter/tactical strategy clones with people named "H4X0RRD00D" and "Assmonkey" who type like they failed a third-grade English class.

Seriously though - am I one of the only people looking for a good single-player experience anymore? While I can see the appeal of online play in certain areas, it seems to discourage innovation in the areas of gameplay, story and dialog, and, well, *fun.* Just look at the options for online games right now - you have shooter clones, Splinter Cell and its clones, and MMO's. BO-ring. Give me the days of Morrowind, Planescape: Torment, and Deus Ex (or, for that matter, Metroid, Mario Kart, and Zelda: A Link to the Past) over those any day.

Re:Yay, online play! (0)

rooijan (746599) | more than 9 years ago | (#13041742)

Nope you're not alone. I'm with you, so that's two of us at least :-)

I even find myself preferring my first-person shooters to be single-player at times - I prefer relying on myself alone against the hordes of hideous monsters. Indeed, in multi-player play I still prefer to play with my friends against the evil monsters than against bunches of other human beings. At least the monsters don't speak that hideous "leet"...

Xbox has had this for a while. (0, Troll)

blanks (108019) | more than 9 years ago | (#13041543)

Microsofts Xbox has had wireless networking [wi-fiplanet.com] for a while now.
It should be expected of Nintendo and sony to match what Microsofts pervious console, anything less just means they are falling behind.

OS Support (1)

macaulay805 (823467) | more than 9 years ago | (#13041554)

I wonder if this thing will support all of the other OSes, not just Windows. If so, I will be happy (due to owning Mac, BSD, and Linux boxes).

Tip for Nintendo (0, Offtopic)

dasmonsieur (897030) | more than 9 years ago | (#13041613)

Now Nintendo makes awesome games and they always have, but the competitions from Sony and M$ must be quite overwhelming soo maybe they should: 1)Release the OS for all Nintendo boxes as OPEN SOURCE .It would be a great idea for them, I mean, the number of geeks (including myself) that would buy it just to play around with it would be huge! This would allow them to have one foot in the playground and the other in the computer lab! 2)Offer cool extra stuff, like two ethernet NICs etc and most importantly the full documentation for al this. I mean, since Nintendo had always been about innovation and avant-gardisme.... P.S. My biggest dream has always been to run telnetd on my cell phone...

please don't forget (1)

akhomerun (893103) | more than 9 years ago | (#13041693)

please, don't forget that the nintendo DS and revolution can still connect to standard routers.

This device that Nintendo is releasing is only for people who don't want to get a router/have dial-up.

Nintendo isn't anti-online (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 9 years ago | (#13041771)

The Big N has never been against online play. In fact, they were some excellent early adopters all the way back in the NES and SNES days. Unfortunately, it was the States that weren't ready for this so it never struck big over here. However, it looks like the market is finally ready for it, so they're going to roll it out.


It's also worth mentioning that the Revolution's online play is supposed be FREE (as in no monthly subscriber fees). I don't see the Xbox or PS3 following that model, and the Revolution is using that online capability for more then just playing counterstrike with your buds, the Big N is planning on offering the ability to download and play classic NES, SNES, N64 and other games. Probably for a fee and maybe not amazing to an audience to whom ROMs are old hat, but hey, awesome nonetheless for everyone else.

Nintendo's online approach (1)

Midnight Thunder (17205) | more than 9 years ago | (#13041775)

I can't remember where I read it, but there was an article somewhere that was suggesting that Nintendo was going to take a different approach for online gaming. What was being suggested was only hardcore gamers actually pay up for the monthly fees, which are applied to the X-Box network and the MMORPGs. Nintendo was said to want to make the networked playing experience more accessible - I'm guessing reducing the entry cost or eliminating it, after all after paying $60 for the game, it is only a handful of people who pay extra for the pay-by-month online experience. Also when you consider that Nintendo has always made their consoles kid friendly, having a low online cost is important for the parents.

Other than the requirement of an extra screen you would now be able to do a revolution LAN party or maybe even use the console as a server to Gamebody DS games. I would be interested how Nintendo is going to make the online experience more accessible. The possibilities are endless, but the game developers just need to use a bit of imagination.
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