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Microsoft's 10-year-old Certified Professional

CowboyNeal posted more than 9 years ago | from the snagging-them-young dept.

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idigjazz writes "Meet Arfa, a promising young software programmer from Faisalabad, Pakistan, who is believed to be the youngest Microsoft Certified Professional in the world. She received the certification when she was 9. During a recent meeting with Bill Gates, she presented him with a poem she wrote that celebrated his life story."

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Get them young huh? (-1)

CoolVibe (11466) | more than 9 years ago | (#13071097)

Okay, when will MS start getting their certification in while kids are in pre-school?

Re:Get them young huh? (3, Informative)

Richard Dick Head (803293) | more than 9 years ago | (#13071166)

Not quite, but you can bet that elementary school teachers are going to parade this article around to their students. They have now found their poster-child 10 year old girl who actually gives a shit about technology.

Its all about the big push from the top to get us some damn chicks in these tech schools of ours. :)

Re:Get them young huh? (2, Insightful)

gbulmash (688770) | more than 9 years ago | (#13071173)

Okay, when will MS start getting their certification in while kids are in pre-school?

But what good is a certification in Logo [wikipedia.org] ? I guess coding for Windows beats making shoes for Nike.

Maybe they're getting them this young so someone's ready to work on the Y3K problem?

Re:Get them young huh? (3, Funny)

Petersson (636253) | more than 9 years ago | (#13071219)

This is not just a kid...

This is the Microsoft Youngling!

So what does this say? (5, Insightful)

fataugie (89032) | more than 9 years ago | (#13071098)

Either the kid is really bright, or if a nine year old can pass them, what value is there?

Re:So what does this say? (2, Funny)

Ruud Althuizen (835426) | more than 9 years ago | (#13071106)

This kind of sounds like Seven of Nine. Resistance is futile...

Re:So what does this say? (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 9 years ago | (#13071125)

if a nine year old can pass them, what value is there?

TFA says she's been using computers since five. Now obviously we don't know how much time she spends in front of them but getting MCAD on four or five years solid experience sounds OK to me.

Re:So what does this say? (5, Insightful)

fataugie (89032) | more than 9 years ago | (#13071135)

Using computers and programming are a bit different, don't you think? What do you define as solid experience? Moving a mouse and clicking a button? Surfing the web?

Why am I responding to an AC? I must be loopy.

Re:So what does this say? (4, Insightful)

Flyboy Connor (741764) | more than 9 years ago | (#13071269)

Either the kid is really bright, or if a nine year old can pass them, what value is there?

I expect that this is not an exclusive or.

Just confirms (4, Funny)

Knome_fan (898727) | more than 9 years ago | (#13071099)

how demanding getting an MCSE is. ;-D

Re:Just confirms (4, Informative)

Jarnis (266190) | more than 9 years ago | (#13071156)

Actually MCSE is no walk in the park. You have to know pretty arcane stuff about Windows and (broken) MS applications. Now some of it is totally no-brainer stuff, but on the other hand the exams ask for a lot of 'MS approved super l33t way of doing this and that', and unless you have read the MS propaganda and the 'official' solutions, you don't know about them. Naturally the 'common sense' solution is not a valid answer - even if in the real world you actually do it like common sense dictates.

Example: In some Windows server exams, you are asked about rolling out installations to large organizations with gazillion additional programs and custom bits. In the Real World this is commonly done by imaging the disk and just dropping disk images to the desktops. The Microsoft Way(tm) is obiviously to use an installation server, unattended installation scripts and other arcane junk, and then pray that the installation works like it should :)

Same goes for lots of firewall/networking related things where everyone in the real world uses non-MS solutions. But in the MS world of the MS exams, you are supposed to use ICS and other 'great' solutions - and actually know how they work :)

Now having said that, the MCP that this article refers to is a big joke. You can get MCP certified on just about anything, and the easiest ones are to the tune of "here's how you start up a windows PC and use mouse". Over here we call 'MCP' a 'Minesweeper certified professional'. Lots of MCPs are certified in something like Word and Excel, and the exams for using those are completely braindead easy.

Re:Just confirms (5, Informative)

DigitumDei (578031) | more than 9 years ago | (#13071184)

"Now having said that, the MCP that this article refers to is a big joke."

Microsoft Certified Application Developer is what she got according to TFA.

While its no MCSD (which she does plan on doing) or MCSE , there was plenty of C# dev in it.

Re:wrong (5, Informative)

TrappedByMyself (861094) | more than 9 years ago | (#13071256)

Now having said that, the MCP that this article refers to is a big joke.

From the article The certification she received was as a Microsoft Certified Application Developer.
That's 3 development exams [microsoft.com]
An experienced developer would need to study for these.

Re:Just confirms (3, Insightful)

Momoru (837801) | more than 9 years ago | (#13071257)

While it is certainly a large amount of stuff to know, you can basically just play the memorization game. I've met so many people that used to be mechanics, car salesmen etc, that have MCSE's and are completely useless working with computers. Most signed up during the .com "Make $90k a year as a certified professional!" and had hardly used computers for more then email before. In my opinion these certifications are pretty useless. Just because I passed Calc 3 and Physics back in college by memorizing some rules doesn't mean I remember a damn thing about them now.

are you sure you read the article? (5, Informative)

clymere (605769) | more than 9 years ago | (#13071266)

i was skeptical as well..MCSE's are not particularly well regarded. However, the MCP exam she passed seems much more in depth than just getting certified in excel: "She has created basic Windows applications, such as a calculator and a sorting program, primarily in the C# programming language. The certification she received was as a Microsoft Certified Application Developer. She says she plans to pursue a more advanced certification, as a Microsoft Certified Solution Developer, which involves building programs into a broader system for a business." Thats C#, not VB! I'm not an MS expert, but I say thats pretty damn good for a nine year old!

Re:Just confirms (1)

WARM3CH (662028) | more than 9 years ago | (#13071159)

She has got a MCAD degree and apparantly knows programming in C#.

Re:Just confirms (1)

Knome_fan (898727) | more than 9 years ago | (#13071215)

Hm, that seems to confirm how demanding RTFA is for me. ;-D

Impressive but... (5, Funny)

aidanjpadden (314134) | more than 9 years ago | (#13071100)

one of the MCP exams did take me five minutes to finish - if this 9 year old girl beat that my ego is battered!

I mean, shes 9 - and she's a girl :(

Re:Impressive but... (1)

cerebis (560975) | more than 9 years ago | (#13071228)

My inner 9 year old girl is offend you insensitive clod!

Wow (1)

cloudkj (685320) | more than 9 years ago | (#13071102)

What a suck up!

Ha! (-1, Troll)

Anonymous Coward | more than 9 years ago | (#13071104)

That's nothing, I once had this goldfish...

Epic Poem (5, Funny)

gbulmash (688770) | more than 9 years ago | (#13071105)

Her poem celebrating Bill's life:

There once was a man from Nantucket
Who told all the world to suck it
Selling insecure code
He sure was a chode
And his ethics could not fill a bucket

- G

Re:Epic Poem (5, Funny)

Anonymous Coward | more than 9 years ago | (#13071161)

There once was a programmer named Gates
Who never could get any dates
So he bought MS-DOS
Became his own boss
And now he just masturbates

Re:Epic Poem (2)

postgrep (803732) | more than 9 years ago | (#13071203)

There once was a man from Redmond Who went signed an eternal bond For just one soul The OS would be whole To which the devil was fond.

It's true what the tobacco companies say... (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 9 years ago | (#13071107)

get 'em young and you got 'em for life

Fucking old story! (1)

corsair2112 (813278) | more than 9 years ago | (#13071108)

Is slashdot recycling it's stories again? LOL micro$oft!!!

arf arf arf (-1, Troll)

Anonymous Coward | more than 9 years ago | (#13071110)

arf arf arf

Re:arf arf arf (-1, Troll)

Anonymous Coward | more than 9 years ago | (#13071147)

lmao her new nickname in the states!

Either she's not really 10 or she's fubarugly.

How difficult is that certification? (4, Interesting)

Underholdning (758194) | more than 9 years ago | (#13071111)

Before the flood of jokes start, I'd like to ask those of you who are MSCP (I know you're out there) how difficult is it to get that certification? Is this really a child prodigy, or are the questions ultra simple?

Re:How difficult is that certification? (1, Informative)

Anonymous Coward | more than 9 years ago | (#13071145)

The answers to all MS exams are on the net...BrainDump and all that...perhaps the site is hosted in Delhi?

Re:How difficult is that certification? (1)

Ham_belony (820906) | more than 9 years ago | (#13071164)

Aren't they multiple choice questions? What are the chances to just click the right answers? How many tries did this kid do? Is their any fraude involved?

Re:How difficult is that certification? (5, Informative)

Anonymous Conrad (600139) | more than 9 years ago | (#13071165)

Before the flood of jokes start, I'd like to ask those of you who are MSCP (I know you're out there) how difficult is it to get that certification? Is this really a child prodigy, or are the questions ultra simple?

As a whole, they're pretty easy - someone half-way bright could cram for them.

The summary does her down, BTW; it says she's MCP, which means passed any one exam, including some piss-takingly simple ones on the administration tracks, whereas she's actually got MCAD which means she's passed a number of developer exams. Yes, some of those are just cram windows features but one of those, the architecture one, actually needs some experience and thought. Or at least it did back in my day when the exam was new - maybe there's "here's all the answers" books for that too now.

-- a VC++ 6 MCSD.

Re:How difficult is that certification? (3, Informative)

Anonymous Conrad (600139) | more than 9 years ago | (#13071207)

Yes, some of those are just cram windows features but one of those, the architecture one, actually needs some experience and thought.

D'oh, showing my ignorance of these new-fangled exam tracks.

Actually, the that exam [microsoft.com] isn't needed for MCAD [microsoft.com] , just MCSD [microsoft.com] .

So yeah, the ones she has are pretty much cram-for exams.

Re:How difficult is that certification? (4, Interesting)

FridayBob (619244) | more than 9 years ago | (#13071265)

I'm no MSCP, but I hear from people who have followed the courses that they're not very impressive. Basically, they just teach you how Microsoft programs work, but give little or no background information. As a result, this produces people who, for instance, are certified for MS Exchange, but don't know much about SMTP -- they just know Exchange.

Nevertheless, I suppose it's still impressive when a 10-year old gets though these exams... if only because it means they did a lot of reading and actually worked with a computer (instead of just playing games on it). Hell, most kids that age have the attention span of a flash bulb!

Re:How difficult is that certification? (1, Insightful)

Anonymous Coward | more than 9 years ago | (#13071277)

Seriously, it's braindead simple. The article is a beat up and sounds far far better than it is.

Most 15 year old kids with a bit of interest in computing could pass an MCP after doing the equivalent work of decent school computer studies classes. By the way the article is written it sounds like she's done the equivalent of an doctorate degree by age 10.

Not to put her down as a dope though. She's done well, and her achievements have marked her as one of the smarter tech kids out there.

and in 3 years. (3, Insightful)

wormuniverse (818854) | more than 9 years ago | (#13071116)

she will feel like she wasted her life.

Re:and in 3 years. (1)

abscondment (672321) | more than 9 years ago | (#13071263)

Let's just hope her college professors instill some "crazy idealism" before she ships of to Microsoftland. Ya know... make her use Java, Linux... OSS stuff.

Big deal. (-1, Troll)

Seumas (6865) | more than 9 years ago | (#13071117)

Gee, another stupid Microsoft publicity article about yet another young kid with an MCSE. We see about one of these articles per month. I think this says a little more about the "difficulty" of the MCSE test than it does about the caliber of the children.

Also, could this kid kiss Bill's ass just a little more? Wrote a poem celebrating his life's history? Are you fucking yanking my dick here? And they seem to gloss by her being a "computer programmer". What, because she made a little clicky-thingy in LOGO?

Plenty of kids her age (and within that age range) have written programs. In fact, a number within just a couple or so years of her age have started their own successful computer companies. Unusual, but hardly unheard of.

Anyway, assuming the husband that her family picks out for her to marry in exchange for a goat lets her work, she'll just be taking your job over for a measly $5,000/yr, so suck on that. And we won't even bother considering the chances that she'll end up glowing next time her country gets in a nuke tiff with India again.

And you're god damn right I'm not posting anonymously. You can suck on that, too.

Re:Big deal. (5, Funny)

oldwolf13 (321189) | more than 9 years ago | (#13071129)

I started programming at 10..

of course... a lot of it was stuff like..

10 print "k-mart sucks dick!"
20 goto 10

entered on a commodore 64 at a local k-mart store for all the passer bys to see :)

Re:Big deal. (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 9 years ago | (#13071284)

when I was 9/10, I remember trying to rewrite windows 3.1 in GWbasic, using ASCII art. I wanted a copy so bad, but my parents wouldn't buy it for me, so i thought i'd write it.

Re:Big deal. (1)

dedazo (737510) | more than 9 years ago | (#13071137)

Take a chill pill and call me in the morning.

Re:Big deal. (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 9 years ago | (#13071139)

Oh what's the big deal? Why are you so angry? Did the kid hurt your ego? Cool down. I know it is so hard for you to swallow, but take it: she is better than you.

Re:Big deal. (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 9 years ago | (#13071142)

I think you have some anger management issues.. Seek help.

Re:Big deal. (1)

webmind (715974) | more than 9 years ago | (#13071163)

Anyway, assuming the husband that her family picks out for her to marry in exchange for a goat lets her work, she'll just be taking your job over for a measly $5,000/yr, so suck on that. And we won't even bother considering the chances that she'll end up glowing next time her country gets in a nuke tiff with India again.

no.. we're not stereotyping at all here...

Re:Big deal. (5, Insightful)

lw54 (73409) | more than 9 years ago | (#13071177)

What a worthless comment.

The article was an insightful look at life through the eyes of a very brave young woman growing up in a society that does not offer many opportunities for women.

Having written a calculator and a sorting program in C# along with earning her MCAD, I consider Arfa a computer programmer by any definition.

Arfa has demonstrated considerable creativity, imagination, hard work and considerable drive. I'll gladly give up your job for her to find good work =p

Re:Big deal. (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 9 years ago | (#13071188)

Hello. Several people called while you were away posting to Slasdork and left messages:

  • Forty-two MCSE's called and said "fuck you"
  • The little girl called to say that at no time did she ever suck Bill Gates' dick.
  • Bill Gates called to disavow the above.
  • The designers of the LOGO language mentioned a physically impossible sexual position for you to try with your sister.
  • A number of kids who started writing code when they were 7 called and said "poopoo head!!1!"
  • A shitload of Indians called to say you are a stereotyping racist cocksucker, and mentioned they FedEx'ed a goat to your office, complete with a purple dildo, lipstick, S&M harness and a tag with your full name, social security number and address.
Finally, a number of ACs called and mentioned you are a dumb fuck for posting this stream of bullshit with your own account.

Oh, and your mom called to say thanks.

Poopoo head.

Re:Big deal. (4, Insightful)

afra242 (465406) | more than 9 years ago | (#13071221)

Also, could this kid kiss Bill's ass just a little more? Wrote a poem celebrating his life's history? Are you fucking yanking my dick here? And they seem to gloss by her being a "computer programmer". What, because she made a little clicky-thingy in LOGO?

Might not be a big deal to you, however, for a girl that young in a third world country, such as Pakistan, it certainly is. She was bought over to the US (first time her father and her left Pakistan) and everything was probably paid for. So she was showing her appreciation. It isn't everyday a young child from Pakistan gets to come to the U.S., and especially on a trip paid for by the world's richest man.

However, if she is eager to start hacking away, and Microsoft won't hire her now, she should be encouraged to contribute to the Open Source community - even on a Windows project. That way, she will learn not only how to code more, but also learn how to interact with developers across the globe. That, at that very young age, will surely look extremely impressive and will teach her infinite things.

MSCE (2, Funny)

zerojoker (812874) | more than 9 years ago | (#13071118)

"The type of thinking that goes into correctly answering those questions is pretty mature. ... Microsoft certifications are not a joke -- they're highly respected in the industry." rotfl

Equal Opportunities (4, Insightful)

LiquidCoooled (634315) | more than 9 years ago | (#13071123)

In the article, the girl says (regarding the lack of women in MS)
"It should be balanced -- an equal amount of men and an equal amount of women," she explained afterward.

I think in any job the only people who should be there are those that have proven their worth.
This OTT political correctness/quota balancing act in lots of workplaces is just dumb.

Re:Equal Opportunities (5, Interesting)

Artega VH (739847) | more than 9 years ago | (#13071213)

The girl says it "should" be balanced. Which I read to mean that ideally it should be balanced. It's impossible to know what she exactly meant by that short quote however.

And in general to the people who are scoffing at the MCAD - she's 10 years old. Perhaps that escaped your massive brains but this is an article talking about something that is a good achievement for someone her age. Its not even worth noting for someone only a few years older than her. At 10 most slashdotters were still singing soprano and afraid of girl germs (It seems some still are).

Well done to Arfa and her father. I hope she becomes a very competent member of the software development community. We can all hope she discovers the wonders of open source though...

Re:Equal Opportunities (-1, Flamebait)

VortexMK (766680) | more than 9 years ago | (#13071273)

Well done to Arfa and her father. I hope she becomes a very competent member of the software development community. We can all hope she discovers the wonders of open source though... ... either that or she will blow herself up in some european subway.

Re:Equal Opportunities (4, Insightful)

Photon Ghoul (14932) | more than 9 years ago | (#13071222)

The reason that some people think like that (that any one group needs 'help' in getting the same opportunities) is because even people who are qualified are unfairly judged by their genetalia, skin color, nationality, sexual preference etc. Yes in the modern workplace. It's probably much worse in Pakistan than western nations.

Re:Equal Opportunities (4, Insightful)

rcs1000 (462363) | more than 9 years ago | (#13071225)

I don't mean to pick, but she's nine years old. At that age I had some pretty peculiar political and sociological views too. I admired Microsoft too.

So, shall we cut her a little slack?

(Also, don't forget that Pakistan is patriarchal Muslim country; a little movement towards sexual equality wouldn't be a particuarly bad thing. Not, I hasten to add, that Pakistan is among the worst offenders in this area, what with having had a woman prime minister for example.)

Re:Equal Opportunities (3, Interesting)

maxpublic (450413) | more than 9 years ago | (#13071245)

This OTT political correctness/quota balancing act in lots of workplaces is just dumb.

On the other hand, there's no evidence whatsoever that men are more capable than women when it comes to programming or support. And it's fairly ludicrous to assume that women don't get into the field because they just don't feel like it. So we have to ask: what exactly is keeping a field where men have no inherent advantage whatsoever a primarily male-dominated industry?

My guess - based on more than 20 years of purely anecdotal evidence - is that it has something to do with the rampant immaturity and mysogynism of a significant minority of the males who choose some sort of computer work for a profession. And while in those more-than-20-years I've seen a marked improvement in a number of other professions, the same can't be said when it comes to the computer industry. It's still the refuge of an alarming number of childish little brats who hate and fear women, and have no problem whatsoever making any woman who 'invades' their turf feel unwelcome.

But again, that's all anecdotal. It could just be that all the IS departments I've been exposed to during various contracts were just unusual exceptions. And it could also be that I'm going to win the lottery tomorrow, after being struck by lightning - twice.

Max

Re:Equal Opportunities (3, Insightful)

j.a.mcguire (551738) | more than 9 years ago | (#13071279)

dude, she's just 9 years old!

Oh Dear God! (2, Funny)

utdpenguin (413984) | more than 9 years ago | (#13071128)

Won't somebody think of hte children?????

Re:Oh Dear God! (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 9 years ago | (#13071255)

you misspelled teh

=P impressive? (1)

r3tex (900024) | more than 9 years ago | (#13071131)

Does this say more about the young girl? or about Microsoft?

9 year old completes single exam on workstation OS (1, Informative)

Nailer (69468) | more than 9 years ago | (#13071132)

IIRC (its been years since I've done Windows certifications), an MCP has completed a single OS exam, most likely a workstation one. I think a lot of 9 year old kids could do this.

Re:9 year old completes single exam on workstation (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 9 years ago | (#13071150)

my penis completed NETWORK+

Re:9 year old completes single exam on workstation (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 9 years ago | (#13071182)

I always wondered what was going on, it confused the hell out of me when I'd wake up and my penis would be buried in a Network+ study guide. "What are you doing!?" I'd ask. My penis would just spit at me and the go back into the study guide.

Eventualy, I got a card in the mail that certifies that "YOUR PENIS" is a NETWORK+ technician. Now I'll never get laid :((

HELP ME SLASHDOT!!!

Re:9 year old completes single exam on workstation (1)

Jarnis (266190) | more than 9 years ago | (#13071169)

Actually MCP = just about any MS exam.

Even something as simple as using Office.

Re:9 year old completes single exam on workstation (1)

Anonymous Conrad (600139) | more than 9 years ago | (#13071190)

an MCP has completed a single OS exam, most likely a workstation one. I think a lot of 9 year old kids could do this.

RTFA not the summary. She has MCAD, that's APPLICATION DEVELOPER.

Did you even read the article?!! (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 9 years ago | (#13071196)

"Her programming experience so far has been as part of her studies. She has created basic Windows applications, such as a calculator and a sorting program, primarily in the C# programming language. The certification she received was as a Microsoft Certified Application Developer. She says she plans to pursue a more advanced certification, as a Microsoft Certified Solution Developer, which involves building programs into a broader system for a business."


Still, I think that this says a lot about MS ceritfications. They are not even worth the paper they are printed on...

Burn em fast, burn em hard (3, Funny)

bigbinc (605471) | more than 9 years ago | (#13071140)

This chick will be so burnt out by the time she is 20, it won't even be funny. I saw the smile, what a nice smile. In 4 years, she will look like Glenn Close or Susan Sarandon.

Send her to the customers at 15, she will be crying to Mommy 2 weeks later. Then comes the drinking, the drugs, 3 or 4 divorces.

...life is good.

Re:Burn em fast, burn em hard (2, Funny)

bigbinc (605471) | more than 9 years ago | (#13071167)

You know what people do at 10, they eat paint, sniff glue. Play doom for 30 hours straight.

Re:Burn em fast, burn em hard (1)

lisaparratt (752068) | more than 9 years ago | (#13071238)

"Things have changed, today the question for parents is: It's 10am, do you know where your children are?"

Smarts (1)

cicadae (900020) | more than 9 years ago | (#13071146)

Sure the M$ certs aren't terribly difficult, but this seems to be a bright kid who is aware of some social issues. She was questioning Gates about the gender imbalance in the Microserf labor pool.

Not "prodigious" (2, Insightful)

Arthur B. (806360) | more than 9 years ago | (#13071148)

Kids are intelligent being, with very high learning abilities. Unfortunately the school system sucks (especially in the US). I'm not surprised that a kid can catch quickly on programming languages. They share many characteristics with natural languages, such as recursivity (talking about the syntax, not recursion as a programming technic), this is a great age to learn these things. She had the chance to have a great education. Education is extremly beneficial to economy but on a long term and thus is generally not a big concern for poilitics.

Re:Not "prodigious" (2, Interesting)

Xiaran (836924) | more than 9 years ago | (#13071206)

Yep. When I was 10/11 I learnt z80 asm on a homebrew machine that me and my dad made(actually I broke it more cause I was a crap solderer :) I got better). Then learned basic using MBASIC and CBASIC under CPM. Then got Turbo Pascal 3.0 and learnt that. Started coding in Hendrixs Small C compiler at about 12/13 ish I think. Learnt 6502 asm on an apple 2 at school. Soes this make me a genius? I wish. (gasp... just realised Ive been coding in C for approx 20 years. I suddenly feel old... youd think Id stop with the accidentally dropping breaks from switch statments by now).

Right Place, Right Time (3, Insightful)

Moth7 (699815) | more than 9 years ago | (#13071154)

So a kid took the exam and passed. Did every kid in the world get a chance to take the exam? No. For every one of these stories there must be a hundred kids who think "I could have done that, why didn't I get the chance?". Maybe I could have taken my exams a couple of years early. Maybe you could have handled that big project better than the guy they gave it to. The fact is, these situations owe more to circumstance - if we were all given these opportunities, stories like this would be a two a penny.

From the article (2, Funny)

wormuniverse (818854) | more than 9 years ago | (#13071160)

"The type of thinking that goes into correctly answering those questions is pretty mature. ... Microsoft certifications are not a joke -- they're highly respected in the industry." ... seriously, i can't figure out what industry they are talking about.

Re:From the article (1)

Couldn'tCareLess (818316) | more than 9 years ago | (#13071189)

The Microsoft Certification industry... duh ;)

Re:From the article (2, Informative)

fishfinger (685260) | more than 9 years ago | (#13071209)

The industry where clueless managers steer the boat!

Re:From the article (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 9 years ago | (#13071242)

the "would you like fries with that?" industry, obviously. =)

"certificates" (5, Insightful)

YuriGherkin (870386) | more than 9 years ago | (#13071171)

What a coincidence. I spent the day interviewing people for a sysadmin job at my work. We had this one guy (with terrible body odour) who had loads of "certificates" ... but he could barely answer any of our questions except by re-phrasing them and saying them back to us. He didn't get hired - but he had so many certificates from "training colleges"

No-one hires someone just because they can obtain a certificate. I bet you could train a monkey to get a Micr0$oft Cert1ficat3 - but you still wouldn't hire them or give them a position of authority and responsibility.

The fact that a 10yr old child can obtain a Microsoft Certificate means that it's no indication of total worth as a software developer or employee.

So sad (2, Funny)

mischalla (246688) | more than 9 years ago | (#13071174)

During a recent meeting with Bill Gates, she presented him with a poem she wrote that celebrated his life story.

Whats next? The ode to the blue screen? Did Bill give her his compu-papal blessing?

it sounds (0, Offtopic)

javilon (99157) | more than 9 years ago | (#13071175)

Like a story from the simpsons.

Wait, 9 year old is younger than 8 year now? (5, Informative)

Nexu (687889) | more than 9 years ago | (#13071183)

From this article ( http://www.telegraphindia.com/1040216/asp/bengal/s tory_2900904.asp [telegraphindia.com] ) on Feb 16 2004 report that an 8 year old boy is the youngest. I'm not a math wiz. But last time i checked on elementairy school. 10 > 8. What's going on here?

Re:Wait, 9 year old is younger than 8 year now? (1)

Dimensio (311070) | more than 9 years ago | (#13071201)

Someone who learned math in a US public school wrote the article.

Re:Wait, 9 year old is younger than 8 year now? (4, Funny)

Anonymous Coward | more than 9 years ago | (#13071202)

>What's going on here?

Calc.exe ?

Re:Wait, 9 year old is younger than 8 year now? (1)

arivanov (12034) | more than 9 years ago | (#13071217)

India vs Pakistan. If the boy got certified in India it was not reflected by the Pakistan media and as far as they are concerned it never existed or was fraudulent. Same for vice versa. I sometimes really wonder how did these two avoid managing to nuke each other.

He's an MSCE, not an MCP (1, Informative)

rv8 (661242) | more than 9 years ago | (#13071259)

If you read the article on the Indian boy, he is supposedly an MCSE, while the Pakistani girl is supposedly an MCP. So, she may very well be the youngest MCP.

An 8 yr old MCSE - either he is one bright kid, or MCSE isn't soo tough, or everything you read on the internet isn't true. Pick one.

And let me be the first to say... (0, Troll)

Cinematique (167333) | more than 9 years ago | (#13071185)

I'd hit it!

Wait a minute... someone's at the door...

OH NO SOMEONE HELP M!???

NO CARRIER

Slightly Off-Topic (-1, Offtopic)

Anonymous Coward | more than 9 years ago | (#13071187)

Funny though how non-English speaking people shiver when they hear words like story/herstory where indeed the word history should be used. In Bulgarian, for instance, the word is 'istoriya', just like the greek word where your derived word 'history' comes from. Here [wikipedia.org] is more on the subject. I have a suggestion: change the word to 'istory' instead, thus satisfying the feminists, if that is at all possible. I suspect Her Majesty the Queen of England might have some objection to that, but alas, such is life, anything for equality, right?

MCAD, read the article (2, Insightful)

lw54 (73409) | more than 9 years ago | (#13071191)

Everyone seems to be missing the fact that she earned her MCAD, not some silly test on Microsoft Word.

MCAD Requirements and Training Resources [microsoft.com]

_presented_ him with a poem, didn't write it. (2, Informative)

DingerX (847589) | more than 9 years ago | (#13071194)

I think she just handed him a copy of Howl. It's not her fault that the press makes her look like the author.

Article Snippet (0, Interesting)

Anonymous Coward | more than 9 years ago | (#13071195)


"Afterward, Arfa described Gates as an "ideal personality," explaining that he had been second only to Disneyland on her list to see of rich and powerful men who cheapen cultural values"

don't be so negative (5, Insightful)

belmolis (702863) | more than 9 years ago | (#13071198)

From the point of view of adult programmers an MCAD may not count for a lot, and Microsoft may be a nasty company, but this is still an impressive little girl with an interesting story. There aren't a lot of nine year olds who can write C#. That's a good bit harder than some baby Basic, if for no other reason than the detail that you have to take care of and the object-orientation. And not very many nine year olds have the interest and dedication to pursue something like this.

Its also important to realize that this is a little girl in a country that gives very few opportunities to women, especially women who are not from the upper class. According to the article, her dad is a soldier. It doesn't sound like she comes from a wealthy, powerful family. So, while getting this certificate may well not make her a genius, it does make her a smart and persistent little girl who has done something quite unusual not only for her age but, in her country, for her gender. I say good for her, good for her family for encouraging her rather than telling her not to act unladylike, and good for Microsoft for giving her the trip. (But if I were in charge at Microsoft, I would have thrown in a stop at Disneyland.)

Let us to our dreams (1)

fict0n (895724) | more than 9 years ago | (#13071220)

Before reading the article, did anyone else envision an orphaned tom-boy living with her homeless uncle holding a wrench with a knack for robotics in post-apocalyptic Seattle? Well, I didn't.. That girl is really bright I have a feeling she's going places!

Reminds me of a quote.... (3, Funny)

ceeam (39911) | more than 9 years ago | (#13071229)

MCSE is to computers as McDonalds Certified Chef is to fine cuisine.

I think she is smart... (4, Insightful)

voss (52565) | more than 9 years ago | (#13071230)

She passes a microsoft exam grown adults have failed and she manages to kiss up to a billionaire at age 9.

Heres a photo of her.

http://seattlepi.nwsource.com/photos/photo.asp?Pho toID=69691 [nwsource.com]

and heres an article

http://seattlepi.nwsource.com/business/232514_msft arfa14.html [nwsource.com]

Before you call her a kissass realize she actually
asked intelligent questions such as why there werent more women at microsoft(before the snarky comments remember she is a 9 year old girl speaking up for equality in a nation like Pakistan) and told a Microsoft VP her vision for self-navigating car.

You have to realize for a little geek girl in a country like Pakistan going to Microsoft is like
going to a paradise where everything works and people are smart just like her.

If you check out her photo, in another 10-15
years she is going to be a major geek hottie...
so be nice and not be pricks!

This is just a reminder to all us geeks who love to bash people from that part of the world...

Pakistan and india are the only two countries that I know of where many of the geeks are women who are good looking and its considered a good thing to be living with your parents as an adult until you are married...think about it!

I never had any doubt... (1)

ratta (760424) | more than 9 years ago | (#13071243)

about microsoft certifications :)

This kills me. (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 9 years ago | (#13071246)

A 9 year old can pass a mickeysoft exam. Their software has a ton of wizards and there are still admins out there who have no f**king clue how to run their windows server boxes.

*sigh*

Arfa's vision of the future of transport (1)

ettlz (639203) | more than 9 years ago | (#13071251)

From TFA:

Later in the afternoon, she sat outside with S. "Soma" Somasegar, a Microsoft corporate vice president, and described her vision for a self-navigating car.

Whoa, missy! Prior art! Everyone around here knows the Russians got there first!

Ahhh (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 9 years ago | (#13071253)

"During a recent meeting with Bill Gates, she presented him with a poem she wrote that celebrated his life story."

So that's how she passed!

Bill Sidious! (4, Funny)

Joel Rowbottom (89350) | more than 9 years ago | (#13071261)

"Rise, my young apprentice..."

(eek).

from TFA (1)

Saib0t (204692) | more than 9 years ago | (#13071270)

Arfa's accomplishment is "very impressive," said Michael Earls, 33, a software consultant and Microsoft Certified Solution Developer in Atlanta. "The type of thinking that goes into correctly answering those questions is pretty mature. ... Microsoft certifications are not a joke -- they're highly respected in the industry."
Only one thing to say... LOL

Impressive girl nonetheless, but what a big "HAHA" this quote was...

Good PR. (1)

bronney (638318) | more than 9 years ago | (#13071272)

Just good PR.

That's nothing.. (3, Interesting)

Linker3000 (626634) | more than 9 years ago | (#13071286)

I gave my four year old son my old Laptop (a working but battered Acer PIII-600 running XP), which he uses to play fun and learning games and visit Web sites such as Cbeebies [bbc.co.uk] etc.

He's five now but a few months ago he proudly told me he'd changed his desktop image to match that of my desktop. Spooky!

Oh, just to redeem him - he saw me using a ssh connection to do some admin on one of our Linux servers and was interested in the non-gui-ness of it and the fact that you had to type in commands, so I showed him a few. Now his favourite 'trick' when he sees me logged in is to do a 'df -h' or 'top' for me!

What do you think - RHCE at five??!!
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