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Community, OSL and Sun Jump to Drupal's Rescue

Zonk posted more than 9 years ago | from the feel-the-love dept.

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Robert Douglass writes "Drupal asked for help and received a major dose of it. Sun Microsystems has stepped up and donated a Sun Fire V20z server which will be the backbone of Drupal's new server architecture at the Open Source Lab. Furthermore, over $10,000 in donations were collected in a matter of a couple days (thanks to all the people who responded to the previous /. post!), plus thousands more in pledges from groups like Apress and CivicSpaceLabs... looks like the community loves Drupal!"

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first (0, Offtopic)

cmdrTacyo (899875) | more than 9 years ago | (#13072213)

I hope this is first YEAAAAAA

I've got pictures!!! (4, Informative)

Anonymous Coward | more than 9 years ago | (#13072240)

Pictures [nyud.net] of the Sun equipment. Coral Cahed to boot.

Damn I'm a nice guy!

Re:I've got pictures!!! (1)

axle_512 (199903) | more than 9 years ago | (#13072311)

Way to go Sun. Looking at the pictures, it seems that it has dual opterons. Awesome.

Here is more info on the v20z server:
http://www.sun.com/servers/entry/v20z/index.jsp/ [sun.com]

Drupal (-1, Offtopic)

Anonymous Coward | more than 9 years ago | (#13072242)

Drupal is great because you can find everything there and for very low prices although the shipping could be cheaper.

Re:Drupal (0)

v3rgEz (125380) | more than 9 years ago | (#13072323)

Interesting?! Modded interesting!??? Funny, maybe, troll, probably, but here's what drupal is: an online, open source, content management system. You can run newspapers from it (I do), blogs (most people), or getfirefox promotional webpages. But this comment is not "interesting," it's "nonsensical" (which I also happen to find "funny").

Re:Drupal (1)

I confirm I'm not a (720413) | more than 9 years ago | (#13072448)

> > Drupal is great because you can find everything there and for very low prices

> ... But this comment is not "interesting," it's "nonsensical" (which I also happen to find "funny").

Dude! It makes ferpect [sic] sense! Providing you pronounce "Drupal" as "Frugal"!

...though I love the idea that Google may need community help with funding. You know, what with being so cash-starved and all. ;-)

New /. Feature? (2, Interesting)

Anonymous Coward | more than 9 years ago | (#13072243)

Remind me what Drupal is again given there isn't an obvious link to a "What is Drupal?" page.

Maybe Slashcode should adopt a system that automatically links to topics that the story poster does not define.

Re:New /. Feature? (2, Funny)

Anonymous Coward | more than 9 years ago | (#13072283)

Remind me what Drupal is again given there isn't an obvious link to a "What is Drupal?" page.

Go to Google.com, type in "Drupal". Welcome to the Internets. :-/

Re:New /. Feature? (2, Insightful)

DaHat (247651) | more than 9 years ago | (#13072307)

Good idea! I'll just go to the first page that Google returns and... "The page cannot be displayed"... oh damn.

Re:New /. Feature? (1)

Zweideutig (900045) | more than 9 years ago | (#13072351)

A good description of Drupal is in wikipedia [wikipedia.org]

Re:New /. Feature? (3, Informative)

Zweideutig (900045) | more than 9 years ago | (#13072317)

Drupal is a content management system, see http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Drupal [wikipedia.org] if you want a description.

Re:New /. Feature? (1)

garcia (6573) | more than 9 years ago | (#13072353)

Maybe Slashcode should adopt a system that automatically links to topics that the story poster does not define.

A simple search for druapl in your little Firefox/Google Toolbar box would have brought you the information you needed.

Re:New /. Feature? (3, Funny)

Anonymous Coward | more than 9 years ago | (#13072435)

What's google? Do you have a link?

Re:New /. Feature? (1)

uberdave (526529) | more than 9 years ago | (#13072778)

A simple parenthetical phrase (like this) in the article, or maybe a link to the drupal site, could also have brought the information not only to me, but to the thousands of other people who have no clue what drupal is.

Re:New /. Feature? (5, Funny)

LWATCDR (28044) | more than 9 years ago | (#13072819)

Drupal http://www.drupal.org/ [drupal.org] is a content management system http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Content_management_sy stem [wikipedia.org] and runs on a computer http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Computer [wikipedia.org] . It is written in PHP http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/PHP [wikipedia.org] which you can read more about here http://www.php.nt/ [www.php.nt] .

Slashdot has now become "News for wannabe nerds".

Re:New /. Feature? (2, Funny)

AddressException (187785) | more than 9 years ago | (#13073160)

www.php.nt eh?

Your sar-chasm has just opened wide and swallowed you whole!

Advertisement! (1)

Nova1313 (630547) | more than 9 years ago | (#13072247)

not only is it good they got support but it's good advertisement too. I was looking for a site system like that but was unsatified with those I had found even the commercial ones.

Re:Advertisement! (1)

Zemplar (764598) | more than 9 years ago | (#13072701)

Also consider Mambo [mamboserver.com] as another CMS in the same league.

Re: consider Mambo. Which Mambo? (2, Interesting)

obiwan2u (600477) | more than 9 years ago | (#13072912)

Which Mambo? The open source version [mamboportal.com] or the corporate version [mamboserver.com] by Miro [miro.com.au] ?

Opinions on Drupal (3, Insightful)

Dakrin1 (220684) | more than 9 years ago | (#13072262)

Does anyone have any opinions on Drupal? How does it compare to other Content Management Systems like LCMS, Rainbow, DotNetNuke, and PHPNuke.

Re:Opinions on Drupal (1)

Dakrin1 (220684) | more than 9 years ago | (#13072306)

Oh, and I know people will probably say "It's better than DotNetNuke cause it will run on non-windows based servers" but mainly I'm just curious about the functionality, stability, and security of drupal itself and I could care less what I run it on. (yes, my windows servers are just as stable and secure as my linux servers).

I just want a pure comparison between CMS's, not the underlying architecture.

Re:Opinions on Drupal (2, Informative)

eric_brissette (778634) | more than 9 years ago | (#13072386)

Check out http://www.opensourcecms.com/ [opensourcecms.com] I really dig Mambo.. they take the firefox approach and make a solid CMS infrastructure with the basic features most people need and the community creates components/modules to extend that functionality... some free, some not.

Re:Opinions on Drupal (0)

Dakrin1 (220684) | more than 9 years ago | (#13072423)

oh, ya, i've used that, its awesome! I really like its simple and clean interface, and how easy it is to set things up pretty painlessly. I was hoping to look at some alternatives though, thats why i'm curious about drupal.

Re:Opinions on Drupal (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 9 years ago | (#13072630)

-1, astroturf

Re:Opinions on Drupal (1)

gnalre (323830) | more than 9 years ago | (#13072649)

Me too!. I've set a community web site with mambo and it was really easy. The best thing about mambo is that once setup everything can be done from the web browser. I was put off from Drupal when I read that modules required to be compiled . (Is that right?)

I have heard however that Drupal is faster due to its page cacheing mechanism. I've also tried XOOP but I did not like the themes upload mechanism. Again with mambo its pretty easy. With XOOP you have to manually copy files.

The only thing I do not like about mambo is its user access granularity, but I think they are working on that for release 5.0

I may still download Drupal and give it a go.

Re:Opinions on Drupal (1)

metaclous (884409) | more than 9 years ago | (#13072720)

Modules need to be compiled? Uh, no. Maybe you're thinking of C? You do need to check a box to turn the module on, and in some cases modify your database if the module creates new tables. But I like that, because I know exactly what the module's going to do. A module installer is in the works.

Re:Opinions on Drupal (2, Interesting)

yelvington (8169) | more than 9 years ago | (#13073174)

I've built several sites on a Drupal foundation, including one significant community newspaper site that provides free blogs and photo galleries to thousands of community members. I'm very impressed with Drupal. Here are the major strengths and weaknesses as I see them.

Strengths:

* Stability.
* Scalability. Configurable page caching is in the core feature set. Session data is in the database, so if you need to serve to the whole planet, you can deploy an array of web servers.
* Extensibility. There's a very well-documented module API and a number of community-supported extensions that use it. A module called Flexinode lets you easily define new structured content types.
* Integration. The authentication system can interoperate with a number of external sources, ranging from LDAP to LiveJournal. There are plug-ins for ecommerce payment systems, Amazon, etc.
* Presentational flexibility. There are several optional templating engines; one (PHPTemplate) supports full PHP functionality, so you can not only customize the look and feel, but also easily integrate all sorts of information from non-Drupal sources without cursing. Content and presentation are reasonably well separated. Modules tend to assume that HTML is the target output format, but even that could be changed with some PHPTemplate magic.
* RSS support. Just about everything can have its own feed, and file attachments automatically become enclosures. Result: Instant podcasting.

Weaknesses:
* Forums. The message board module is basic and does not, for example, let you promote a comment to base note status, or even move a comment from one thread to another.
* Photo gallery support. The standard stuff is weak, no competition for Gallery. There is no support for integrating Gallery 1. There is a Gallery2 integration module, but G2 is unfortunately a flaky, poorly documented moving target.

Re:Opinions on Drupal (3, Interesting)

garcia (6573) | more than 9 years ago | (#13072320)

Well, considering that it is being backed so heavily by the community and is used on larger sites (i.e. mozilla.org) I would say that it has its place among the others...

I haven't tried all of the above but I did examine PHPNuke for a short time because of Gallery's ability to easily integrate with it. I gave up on PHPNuke and went w/Drupal instead because of word-of-mouth even though Gallery v1 doesn't support Drupal integration.

I came up with my own way to integrate my existing Gallery v1 setup into Drupal because their "blocks" allow you to run custom PHP code (or any code via external calls) in them.

I have been quite pleased with Drupal and am looking forward to the new directions all the donations by the community, Sun, and OSL will bring.

Re:Opinions on Drupal (3, Informative)

garcia (6573) | more than 9 years ago | (#13072525)

See here [lazylightning.org] for how I used a Bash script to integrate a random Gallery v1 image into Drupal.

Slashdot won't let me post it anonymously, sorry.

Re:Opinions on Drupal (1)

bertboerland (31938) | more than 9 years ago | (#13072586)

mozilla.org isnt run on drupal (YET!), spreadfirefox.org is.

Re:Opinions on Drupal (3, Informative)

SolusSD (680489) | more than 9 years ago | (#13072393)

I threw together a personal Drupal site in a matter of minutes: www.uwcreations.com straight forward/easy to use, but very powerful. I also use mambo.. but while it seems more flexible, it can be a nightmare compared to drupal.

Re:Opinions on Drupal (1)

ari_j (90255) | more than 9 years ago | (#13072697)

My problem with Drupal is that every CMS lets me throw together a personal site in a matter of minutes, but none of them let me, in a matter of hours or even days, make things truly 'personal' with a format other than the "static pages, forums, calendars, and blogs" philosophy that most CMSes seem to share and a style that is uniquely my own.

Re:Opinions on Drupal (3, Informative)

drewzhrodague (606182) | more than 9 years ago | (#13072410)

Drupal seems to be a far better CMS than PHPNuke was, I had created a whole bunch of websites using PHPNuke.

PHPNuke [phpnuke.org] was great at the beginning, until kiddies started using the thing to send SPAM, post SPAM, and generally piss me off. Manual process to deal with that kind of crap.

Drupal seems to have a couple of modules that let you deal with SPAM, though I haven't investigated it enough yet.

I like how modular the code is, and I haven't needed to edit the Drupal code to make it do what I want, like I had to with PHPNuke.

We're working on changing WiFiMaps.com [wifimaps.com] over to Drupal, and I've alrealdy converted Recruiter-Rater [zhrodague.net] over, using a nuke2drupal conversion script -- quite painless!

Re:Opinions on Drupal (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 9 years ago | (#13072488)

Plone. Don't forget Plone.

http://plone.org/ [plone.org]

Plone is simple. Plone is built on Zope. It's all Python (which I love). And there are so many Products - my favourite right now is CSSManager:
http://opensource.arche.de/products/cssmanager [arche.de]

You can do absolutely anything with Plone - I absolutely love it!

Re:Opinions on Drupal (3, Interesting)

dnadig (414126) | more than 9 years ago | (#13072510)

So, I've run/am running sites on mambo, drupal, Postnuke, Xoops, and Wordpress.

WP is superior for simple blogging

Mambo is superior for running a "newsy" kind of site

Postnuke is superior for running a "fanboy" kind of site with lots of galleries, downloads, and discussion boards

I find Drupal interesting - if only because of the wierd taxonomy/node system. I think it's best used for non-traditional creative group writing, but it falls short of the others in their respective categories for numerous reasons. I've also found it SO tightly written that its very difficult to make significant modifications.

All just my opinions of course.

Re:Opinions on Drupal (3, Informative)

afinn (467407) | more than 9 years ago | (#13072573)

Drupal is an excellent piece of software. Compared to other CMSs it is fast, modular, has a clean codebase and a gentle learning curve. I recently started using it after messing around with various other CMS systems over the last couple of years.

To be honest its the first one that has really impressed me. I looked at slashcode [slashcode.com] , scoop [kuro5hin.org] , zope [zope.org] , plone [plone.org] , postnuke [postnuke.com] , mambo [mamboserver.com] .

When I started using drupal I got the same feeling as when I started using Mac OS X. To continue the OS analogy postnuke and phpnuke are more like windows whereas zope and plone are kinda linux of the CMS world.

Re:Opinions on Drupal (4, Interesting)

blazerw11 (68928) | more than 9 years ago | (#13072637)

Drupal is very easy to customize. We turned it into a really cool location based community [earthcomber.com] now complete with Google Maps [earthcomber.com] . A place where you can share cool [earthcomber.com] (or interesting [earthcomber.com] , or weird [earthcomber.com] ) locations related to almost any interest [earthcomber.com] .

Then, you can take them with you on your handheld.

Re:Opinions on Drupal (1)

wandazulu (265281) | more than 9 years ago | (#13072977)

I was checking out your site ... very cool! I'm curious how much you had to customize and what you did in fact customize. We're looking for software that has a lot of the features you have on your site, and was thinking of Drupal, and if it wasn't too much, maybe that will instill the confidence I have to go forward with it (and no, our site has absolutely nothing to do with maps :) ).

Solaris (2, Interesting)

Zweideutig (900045) | more than 9 years ago | (#13072263)

Is Drupal going to be running Solaris, or are they going to install Linux (SPARC) instead?

Re:Solaris (1)

Ewan (5533) | more than 9 years ago | (#13072292)

A Sun Fire V20z is an opteron server, so that's just normal x86 linux

Ewan

Re:Solaris (1)

dan dan the dna man (461768) | more than 9 years ago | (#13072416)

Having just had one of these *incredibly noisy* things to test, I can quite happily confirm they run Solaris... I'm not sure where you're getting your info from but it sure as hell isn't Sun..

Re:Solaris (1)

dan dan the dna man (461768) | more than 9 years ago | (#13072445)

ack.. i just realised that you meant x86 Linux rather than.. oh... god the shame of failing to understand a short post on /. on a Friday afternoon. Apologies to parent, I just totally misread what you wrote :$

Re:Solaris (1)

jedidiah (1196) | more than 9 years ago | (#13072716)

Even a 15K is going to be running whatever you want it to once you take ownership of it. What it comes preloaded with really isn't all that relevant.

Re:Solaris (2, Informative)

tu_holmes (744001) | more than 9 years ago | (#13072313)

It doesn't really matter, but I can say it won't be Sparc linux...

The V20z is an AMD Opteron server.

It will either run Solaris x86 or Linux (the non-sparc version).

Re:Solaris (2, Interesting)

mrm677 (456727) | more than 9 years ago | (#13072475)

I have experience with a cluster of Sunfire V20z's running 64-bit Linux. It is not stable and we see kernel panics all the time. Fortunately this is a compute-cluster and we can deal with the crashes.

A Sun rep said we are one of their few customers he knows of that is using 64-bit Linux because of the known stability problems in the kernel. The hardware tests out fine and the reps say that 32-bit Linux and 64-bit Solaris are both rock solid.

I wonder if this is Sun-specific, or if 64-bit Linux on any Opteron is flaky?

Re:Solaris (1)

beezly (197427) | more than 9 years ago | (#13072789)

I am also running a large compute cluster of v20z's and v40z's and have no such problems.

We had a couple of machines panic to begin with, but these were manufacturing problems rather than software and they have been replaced.

64bit Linux runs perfectly well on v20z's and v40z's. I suspect the "known stability problems in the kernel" that your Sun rep are talking about are most likely Sun FUD or the Sun rep's lack of knowledge about Linux x86_64 support.

Re:Solaris (2, Insightful)

Zemplar (764598) | more than 9 years ago | (#13072972)

I agree with Breezly. 64-bit Linux can be stable, given the right distribution. I ran testing on several major Linux distros in 32-bit and 64-bit and Solaris before finalizing my choice on my dual Opteron W2100z.

Summary of results: All 32-bit Linux good, some 64-bit Linux okay, 64-bit Solaris superb. In the end, I found the Solaris kernel better at SMP and more responsive with 32-bit Linux pretty good. 64-bit Linux on the distros I tried simply were not polished at the time (1st quarter 2005. Solaris 10 was the no-brainer final choice...though a Debian apt-get on Solaris 10 would ROCK!

Re:Solaris (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 9 years ago | (#13073228)

I think the blastwave guys have an apt-get-like tool in pkg-get. I've never used it though, so ymmv.

Re:Solaris (1)

Zemplar (764598) | more than 9 years ago | (#13072824)

I don't know what OS will run on the Sun Fire V20, but Gentoo is supposed to run on the new Dell servers, partly because of familiarity.

Re:Solaris (1)

LWATCDR (28044) | more than 9 years ago | (#13073205)

My big question is not if it will run Linux or Solaris but will it run Postgres or MySQL?
From what I read they are going to use the Sun to run the database server.
I would try Solaris myself just so I could learn it.

Some may find it distasteful... (-1, Troll)

Anonymous Coward | more than 9 years ago | (#13072272)

You know, I'm really not that pleased that something this simple and stupid got that much money in donations.

It's not like some CMS is really in any way important or useful to a majority of people.

Donations like this should be going to people doing things worth being done - like people who make code that everyone can use.

Money like this should be going to people doing BSD drivers, because it's much more useful than some shitty little PHP script.

But of course, this is Slashdot, where people cream over even the stupidest thing if it's under the GPL and is in some way tied to LAMP.

Re:Some may find it distasteful... (2, Insightful)

muszek (882567) | more than 9 years ago | (#13072421)

CMSs are used by some people to make wonderful stuff used by millions... stuff that they wouldn't be able to do by themselves.

Example: several years ago I made a free info site that gets 5k unique visitors a day. Many people benefit greatly from what I've posted there (a lot of text, some useful web tools, etc.).

Back when I was making it, I had absolutely no php (or anything similar) skills and simply wouldn't have done that website. I made it because there were some CMSs. And many people benefited my work (and indirectly the work of people that made my CMS).

Now... I don't see how is a driver for some device for not so popular OS far more useful than millions of people being able to use CMS-based websites. Both things are important, let's just not be "my stuff is the only important thing"-like nazis.

Re:Some may find it distasteful... (4, Insightful)

-noefordeg- (697342) | more than 9 years ago | (#13072424)

OMG!

The money they recieved were from donations. Not a penny was from someone who didn't want Drupal to have that money.

"Donations like this should be going to people doing things worth being done"

This is the stupidest thing I've read in a long time... Donations are given to people/projects which the donators think are doing something worthwhile, hence the donation!
I can't think of a singel thing to better prove if something is of value than other people giving money to support the continued development.

*shakes head*

It is so simple really.
You don't think Drupal is good? -Don't donate!
If someone else think it's good and they donate, don't bitch and whine about it. Clearly they feel that Drupal is WORTH IT!!

Re:Some may find it distasteful... (-1, Flamebait)

Anonymous Coward | more than 9 years ago | (#13072497)

Well, to counter you, the people donating to Drupal obviously aren't that bright to begin with, since they're using a CMS. Can you trust these peoples' judgement?

You can't really say that these people were completely aware of what they were doing by donating money to something so stupid.

It's like donating money to a group of people that are making free hats with holes in them, sure, they're free, but you can't be that bright to be giving the people making them money and access to a factory so they can make even more holey hats.

Re:Some may find it distasteful... (1)

I confirm I'm not a (720413) | more than 9 years ago | (#13072644)

Well, to counter you, the people donating to Drupal obviously aren't that bright to begin with, since they're using a CMS. Can you trust these peoples' judgement?

Sorry, I've missed something here. Use of CMS == Not that bright? Wow. I never realised that. I've made a CMS system for my employer's customers - they range from academia to high-street retail. And here was me thinking they were bright! Thanks for tipping me off; next time I meet with a client I'll know - secretly, since they use a CMS, they're stoopid.

/sarcasm

Re:Some may find it distasteful... (1)

VitrosChemistryAnaly (616952) | more than 9 years ago | (#13072675)

" Well, to counter you, the people donating to Drupal obviously aren't that bright to begin with, since they're using a CMS. Can you trust these peoples' judgement?

You can't really say that these people were completely aware of what they were doing by donating money to something so stupid.

It's like donating money to a group of people that are making free hats with holes in them, sure, they're free, but you can't be that bright to be giving the people making them money and access to a factory so they can make even more holey hats.
"

It's like posting as an AC while pretending you have something worthwhile to say.

Geez, someone's always going to have a problem with donating to any cause. Get over it.

I know someone probably has a problem with my "Kill a friendly Kitten" fund donations. Fuck 'em.

Re:Some may find it distasteful... (1)

gnalre (323830) | more than 9 years ago | (#13072686)

Drupal and other free CMS suites are often used to generate local community and charity sites. Of course we could just make them pay for a commercial package, but somehow I think the money saved by using drupal, etc maybe used more wisely

Who invited Theo? (0, Flamebait)

kmmatthews (779425) | more than 9 years ago | (#13072788)

n/t

Re:Some may find it distasteful... (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 9 years ago | (#13072894)

No, this the Slashdot where BSD fans whine anonymously about a quite impressive and important generosity made in the FOSS scene. IIRC the proposal of PKH to work on the FreeBSD kernel after he receibed $X in donations (not sure what he worked on or for how much) was also posted here.

Drupal still on the old server (2, Informative)

Robert Douglass (870434) | more than 9 years ago | (#13072303)

As you can tell from the way the drupal.org site is (not) responding, it is still being run from the old server.

Re:Drupal still on the old server (1)

bertboerland (31938) | more than 9 years ago | (#13072693)

some snaps [boerland.com] i made for the new infrastructure (proposed, i am not in control there)

Server overkill? (5, Insightful)

afinn (467407) | more than 9 years ago | (#13072325)

So the old server was a Pentium Xeon 3Ghz with 1 GB of RAM. This server wasn't even dedicated to drupal - I believe it was shared with approximately 20 other sites.


Now sun have donated a server with dual Opteron and 4G RAM. This alone would probably have been enough to host the drupal site wiht a serious improvement in performance. But they've also purchased 3 Dell 1850s with dual Xeons and 2G RAM.


Given what was serving the site before, do they really need all this horsepower? With the unexpected server donation from Sun, could the money raised have been better spent on something other than more servers?

Re:Server overkill? (1)

faloi (738831) | more than 9 years ago | (#13072349)

But now they can dedicate the other boxes to the gaming servers that all IT people run in the background! Err... Yeah, it does seem odd that they went all out, but at least they shouldn't need any server upgrades for a while.

Re:Server overkill? (3, Informative)

garcia (6573) | more than 9 years ago | (#13072405)

With the unexpected server donation from Sun, could the money raised have been better spent on something other than more servers?

If you had read the linked information from the blurb you would have found out that the Drupal team decided that putting all the money towards server/backend stuff is what the community would want.

The community thought that they money they were donating was for a server to host Drupal at the OSL. When the donations went *way* over what Drupal originally needed the staff still felt that it should remain w/the server side.

They also mentioned that they might have used some of that money to start up the Drupal Foundation but decided that additional money, already promised to them by various sources, would go to that instead (i.e. Summer of Code by Google).

Re:Server overkill? (1)

hattig (47930) | more than 9 years ago | (#13072406)

I think it was rather rude to decide to buy the Dell servers after Sun had donated one (that looks like a $5000 value server too). Spend the $10k on two more Sun servers to show your appreciation guys!

Re:Server overkill? (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 9 years ago | (#13072548)

they bought the servers long before the Sun was donated.

Re:Server overkill? (1)

Ganniterix (863430) | more than 9 years ago | (#13072673)

I don't agree. I think they made the wise desicion to get the best return for their investment. The money was donated by the community and they had an obbligation to the community to spend it in the best possible way!! Why buy 2 servers when you can get 3?

Re:Server overkill? (1)

Dakrin1 (220684) | more than 9 years ago | (#13072456)

well, they didn't before, but now that we posted a story about it on slashdot, they sure do.

Re:Server overkill? (1)

blinkylights (589120) | more than 9 years ago | (#13072460)

The servers had to be able to withstand the Slashdotting that would ensue once the article about the servers was posted to Slashdot.

Duh. :)

Re:Server overkill? (1)

metaclous (884409) | more than 9 years ago | (#13072806)

The server has not been moved yet. The original server is still serving drupal.org.

Re:Server overkill? (1)

Pollardito (781263) | more than 9 years ago | (#13073241)

The server has not been moved yet. The original server is still serving drupal.org.
or "not serving it" from my perspective

Paying people doesn't always work.. (2, Interesting)

Gopal.V (532678) | more than 9 years ago | (#13072514)

Let me tell this - paying people to work on open source often has bad results .. No I'm not talking about employing someone to work on OSS , just about invoicing OSS work.

It so easily drops into a how much does it pay ? from it's cool, that's why I do it !. Speaking as someone who got paid a couple of thousand bucks to work on OSS, I just didn't feel like I was working for that rush anymore. The change was very shocking to me at first, then I realized WHY open source is popular - because it lets people work on what they like (want is ambigous because people might want a bounty job).

On the other hand, more hardware .. better net connections for guys working on it etc do seem to make a bigger difference that paying the same to n different people of the project.

But yeah, SUN's just showing off !. Sort of like a PR stunt - but it's good for drupal , so we don't mind.

Perhaps, perhaps not. (2, Insightful)

hot_Karls_bad_cavern (759797) | more than 9 years ago | (#13072531)

Who is to say that Drupal, if they get a foundation together, might not use some of their newly found horsepower to support/host other projects that are getting off the ground, or need their help?

Personally, i'd love to see them use their new stuff for the betterment of their project and a few others. Also, it'd be great to see them take the excess money and invest it in such a way that it can continually pay for their operating costs ... or summer internships for a few kids ... or something useful like that.

Here's to hoping.

Re:Server overkill? (1)

illumin8 (148082) | more than 9 years ago | (#13072645)

Now sun have donated a server with dual Opteron and 4G RAM.

I wonder how the anti-Sun slashbots will spin this one? Is big, bad, evil Sun out to squash open source now? Perhaps they are going to put a timebomb in the server so that it will fail miserably and take an entire open source project down with it...

All joking aside, I wish that people would recognize the good things Sun has done for open source rather than nitpicking over small details that are really insignificant.

Re:Server overkill? (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 9 years ago | (#13073128)

It's not an SGI, but still, good luck getting support for that SUN machine in two years...

And it still gets /.ed. (0)

crovira (10242) | more than 9 years ago | (#13072684)

"
Warning: mysql_connect(): Too many connections in /home/www/drupal.org/includes/database.mysql.inc on line 37
Too many connections"

Maybe, just maybe... (1)

sardaukar_siet (559610) | more than 9 years ago | (#13073208)

...it's for some serious HL2 lan-partying!

The name confused me 100% (1)

bogaboga (793279) | more than 9 years ago | (#13072364)

"Drupal?" Well, that name caught me off guard! On reading the introduction, I thought Drupal is some famous [Indian] "computer" person. How wrong I was. But again, http://www.sourceforge.net/ [sourceforge.net] does not list Drupal among the top 10 most active Content Management Systems! I used "CMS" as the search string.

So, is the statement: "Drupal is the leading open-source (written in PHP) content management system and is used to power tens of thousands of websites, blogs, community sites, etc." really accurate?

Re:The name confused me 100% (4, Informative)

f-bomb (101901) | more than 9 years ago | (#13072505)

That's because drupal has their own development infrastructure and does not use sourceforge's services. Just because a project isn't hosted on sourceforge doesn't mean its not relevant. I switched to drupal from Post-Nuke about 6 months ago and will never go back.

Re:The name confused me 100% (1)

I confirm I'm not a (720413) | more than 9 years ago | (#13072527)

So, is the statement: "Drupal is the leading open-source (written in PHP) content management system and is used to power tens of thousands of websites, blogs, community sites, etc." really accurate?

I'd say so; I looked into open-source CMS solutions for work a while back, and Drupal was one name that kept cropping up. I was taken a bit aback by your comment about sourceforge, and repeated your search - I couldn't see Drupal in the top 20! Same on freshmeat, though I guess they'd overlap. I suppose Drupal may not be active on sourceforge's terms, ie. regularly updated through sourceforge. It certainly is an active project, though.

Drupal doesn't use Sourceforge! (1)

alienmole (15522) | more than 9 years ago | (#13073167)

Measuring open source projects based on their ranking on Sourceforge only makes sense if those projects host their development files and release files through Sourceforge! Drupal doesn't.

In related news... (1, Funny)

Anonymous Coward | more than 9 years ago | (#13072374)

Drupal's new Sun Fire V20z has suffered a meltdown due to a /.ing.

Now is the time to... (2, Insightful)

Anonymous Coward | more than 9 years ago | (#13072376)

... fix the vulnerabilities in Drupal. http://www.kdedevelopers.org/ [kdedevelopers.org] was running Drupal and was hacked into.

fixing is half the thing, implementing the other (1)

bertboerland (31938) | more than 9 years ago | (#13072646)

drupal had a patch out very very fast. but you still need to upgrade to take "advantage" of it (as spreadfirefox.org and others didnt!)

Re:fixing is half the thing, implementing the othe (1)

hacker (14635) | more than 9 years ago | (#13073196)

Or disable the use of xmlrpc, which we had to do in several cases, because the modules we use are not ported over to 4.6.2 yet, and we'd lose quite a bit of the database schema by upgrading, which would eat some data we require.

In our case, an upgrade isn't possible without a dump, clean reinstall and mostly-manual reload of the data by hand. No thanks, not yet anyway. When we migrate to a new server in a few months or years, we'll consider an upgrade, but right now, losing data is unacceptable.

YMMV of course, if you use a "basic" Drupal instance.

Re:Now is the time to... (3, Interesting)

geiseri (12114) | more than 9 years ago | (#13073123)

It was fixed earlier this week with the help of the drupal team. The biggest problem with drupal is that it requires so little babysitting to keep running it can get easy to ignore it when you are busy. Note that I am a KDE developer and not a web monkey, so I have bigger fish to fry than dorking with a server. The install that was present there was over 1 year old, and was missing a security patch that was issued the day before (the xmlrpc bug).

Knowing this the drupal guys are working on a more automated way to push out updates so busy people like me who just want something to "just work" can do so safely.

That said, I am pleased to note that the ISP has provided us with the names of the people who cracked the site. The kiddy who got in was nice enough to leave all of the logs unmodified, and left a few other tracks so it was pretty easy to confirm the source. Personally I think the liberal use some 10 penny nails on their joy department would be more amusing if only I had the time to get to Moscow. ;)

Drupal (2, Interesting)

certel (849946) | more than 9 years ago | (#13072381)

Good for Drupal. Glad to see that people still care about others projects.

Drupal Info (5, Informative)

Dakrin1 (220684) | more than 9 years ago | (#13072395)

Oh, and I was curious what drupal was too, the slashdot link doesn't give much more info than that it's a CMS, and drupal.org is down (looks like they haven't installed the new hardware in time for slashdot).

Here's the wikipedia with link:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Drupal [wikipedia.org] [wikipedia.org]

Drupal is a content management framework, content management system and blogging engine which was originally written by Dries Buytaert and is the software used to power Debian Planet [1], Terminus1525 [2], Spread Firefox [3] and Kernel Trap [4], among others. Drupal is written in PHP using strict coding standards.

Drupal is the English spelling for the Dutch word 'druppel' which means 'drop'.

Though it started as a small bulletin board system, Drupal has become much more than just a news portal, thanks to its flexible architecture. Drupal has a basic layer, or core, which supports pluggable modules that enable additional behaviors. The modules available for Drupal provide a wide assortment of features, including e-commerce systems, workflow, photo galleries, mailing list management, and CVS integration. Drupal's taxonomy/classification module is especially interesting, in that it allows any content to be classified with a flexible tagging system.

Some of the more special roles that Drupal has filled include company intranets, online classrooms, art communities and project management. Many feel that Drupal's focus on user communities is what makes it stand out from its competition.

Re:Drupal Info (0)

Dakrin1 (220684) | more than 9 years ago | (#13072502)

oh, and I really hope the main site doesnt' really look like this (google's cache): http://64.233.161.104/search?q=cache:OEEftNB5m34J: www.drupal.org/+&hl=en [64.233.161.104]

It looks like crap.

Re:Drupal Info (2, Informative)

Dakrin1 (220684) | more than 9 years ago | (#13073345)

... sorry about that comment, its my browser that was the trouble and wasn't displaying it correctly.

Ourmedia.org too (1)

Silkejr (856308) | more than 9 years ago | (#13072551)

It's also used by the Ourmedia site so that they can get all that creative commons stuff dynamically published out to the site.

Re:Drupal Info (1)

Siscokid422 (832157) | more than 9 years ago | (#13072829)

Do you, or anyone else, know which modules are used for the workflow and project management systems mentioned above?

Re:Drupal Info (1)

Dark Warrior (132803) | more than 9 years ago | (#13073077)

Once you get in there, look for the workflow and project modules, under "Projects," then "Modules."

not in place yet? (1)

myspys (204685) | more than 9 years ago | (#13072426)

either the new horsepower hasn't been put in place yet, or they need more money to buy better machines ;) (or optimise the software, duh)

Re:not in place yet? (4, Funny)

Black Perl (12686) | more than 9 years ago | (#13072518)

either the new horsepower hasn't been put in place yet, or they need more money to buy better machines ;) (or optimise the software, duh)

or maybe it got a sudden bump of popularity somehow... can't quite think of what it might be...

You'd think that with that many servers... (1)

jamesshuang (598784) | more than 9 years ago | (#13072539)

Go figure... Dual Opterons, 10k in donations, and a whole crapload of servers STILL don't stand up to a slashdotting... :-p

I still think... (1)

Tmack (593755) | more than 9 years ago | (#13072549)

They should have gone with/asked for the v40z... As I mentioned before [slashdot.org]

dual opterons are nice, but quad (with dual core = 8CPUs) with up to 32Gb makes for a (more) nice database server.

Tm

Tim Bray (4, Interesting)

zocle (755618) | more than 9 years ago | (#13072603)

Its worth noting this entry from Tim Bray:
http://tbray.org/ongoing/When/200x/2005/07/14/Drup al-Server [tbray.org]
It seems that he deserves some credit for starting the ball rolling.
A nice comment in the article:
What we have here is an ecosystem. Drupal has a problem, the community notices, Slashdot broadcasts, we help them out, a nice piece of infrastructure is strengthened, the tide rises and all our boats float a little higher.
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