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Rise of the Professional Blogger

Zonk posted about 9 years ago | from the who-knew? dept.

The Internet 231

Victor Cheng writes "Robert Scoble today points to a blogger who is claiming he earns between $10,000 and $20,000 per month via Google Adsense." From the article: "The cheque was the biggest cheque I've ever held onto (well the biggest I've held onto that has my name on it). The amazing thing is that in the month of May I earned more than I earned in a whole year in 2003 from a 'real job' (of course at the time I was only working a 3 day week while I studied part time) and well over half as much as I earned from Adsense in the whole of 2004."

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231 comments

And now he gets even more money... (5, Funny)

Anonymous Coward | about 9 years ago | (#13085665)

You just had to link to him on Slashdot, didn't you. Come on, he's making enough already ;)

Re:And now he gets even more money... (2, Informative)

phalse phace (454635) | about 9 years ago | (#13085771)

I thought you only make money from AdSense when someone clicks on an actual ad?

Re:And now he gets even more money... (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 9 years ago | (#13085949)

No, AdSense uses/chooses CPM (Cost Per Mille impressions) as well for certain Ad formats.

Re:And now he gets even more money... (5, Insightful)

BoldAC (735721) | about 9 years ago | (#13085921)

Money, money, money...

What in the world ever happened to building a web site to help people, to spread information, and to build a "community." Even more so, when did money become the primary goal of a web structure?

For example, slashdot was built for fun and information spread first. Only after it became successful did it start making lots of money. Now people do just the opposite... they design the web site for money first and if the site turns out to be useful, then it's an accident.

In college, I designed the Moan and Groan Page [google.com] (now very dead) where people could bitch about their hardware. It was the hardware/software explosion time and all the major players were pushing a ton of junk into the marketplace. People could search my site before they purchased anything. I got threatened my tons of companies... and lawyers who used the site came to my defense. The hosting was donated, etc. Then I started my real life (job, family) and had to leave it all behind.

Once I established all of that, I returned to the web to start another project. What a difference those few years made. I wanted to start a similar site helping people with computer problems and tech-recipes.com [tech-recipes.com] was born. No thrills, no fluff, no pop-ups... just helpful computer hints. We make enough money from google to pay our server costs... nothing more.

Despite the fact that we just provide raw information, we have never developed a huge community around us. Sure we receive a ton of hits from the search engines, but I miss that feeling of having tons of users helping and supporting each other.

Now I have to worry about everybody stealing my information and slapping their ads all over it...

What a difference a few years make...

AC

Re:And now he gets even more money... (3, Informative)

matt21811 (830841) | about 9 years ago | (#13086035)

There are a large number of SEO webspammers out there churning out often useless cookie cutter sites designed mostly to get good positions in Search engines. I'm an editor of DMOZ.org and find it frustrating that 2 out of 3 sites submitted have been created for no other reason than to make money.

Part of the blame lies with our beloved Google. They are actually funding a problem that they used to fight. It would be nice to see them put some effort into the problem instead of just cashing in like the do.

Adsense isnt all evil. It does allow many people to fund their often beloved web sites. It can be a great way to encourage people to make public their skills and knowledge in their special interests. It is fueling the best aspects of the web, that being the amazing diversity and depth of knowledge in any area you care to name.

It's such a good thing I even made a web site telling people how to do it right.

wha? (0, Redundant)

fearspooky (890308) | about 9 years ago | (#13085669)

wow thats pretty cool.. making money for blogging..

so did he buy ad space on slashdot? (1, Insightful)

Anonymous Coward | about 9 years ago | (#13085671)

I think its a valid question as the article really has no news value.

Mod parent up (a bit) (1)

programgeek (726420) | about 9 years ago | (#13085712)

Good point.

Re:so did he buy ad space on slashdot? (1)

baadger (764884) | about 9 years ago | (#13085877)

It's news because it reflects how web culture is grossly affecting some peoples lives and the way in which they make money.

I for one found it rather alarming and interesting and rather read about it than another story about Firefox or Windows updates.

*Cough*RolandPiquepaille*Cough* (4, Insightful)

Atario (673917) | about 9 years ago | (#13085672)

'Nuff said.

Re:*Cough*RolandPiquepaille*Cough* (1, Insightful)

LiquidCoooled (634315) | about 9 years ago | (#13085714)

Why do you have a problem with somebody making money?
Slashdot exists to do the same thing, exept taco etc don't even do ANY work - its all submitted.
I don't mind Roland or any other submitters as long as the subjects are interesting and direct links are available.

Re:*Cough*RolandPiquepaille*Cough* (1)

line.at.infinity (707997) | about 9 years ago | (#13085740)

I don't think he has a problem with RP, but merely pointing out that pro bloggers are probably not new (e.g. RP).

someone post an RP link (1)

Tofuy (889068) | about 9 years ago | (#13085753)

please?

Re:*Cough*RolandPiquepaille*Cough* (2, Interesting)

Anonymous Coward | about 9 years ago | (#13085743)

We all know some kind of deal was made behind the scenes.

Some of us (I, for example) wouldn't mind it so much if Taco came out and said that the stories are sponsored (not by the subjects of the stories, mind you, just by the blogger). Of course, if that happened, others would infer via slippery slope that more links would be thus sponsored; they would probably get pissed and stop reading Slashdot.

So instead, management acts as though nothing's going on, and we all grumble some, but largely nothing happens. Besides, we have bigger fish to fry (the usual suspects).

Re:*Cough*RolandPiquepaille*Cough* (1)

Breakfast Pants (323698) | about 9 years ago | (#13085742)

Hah, more like professional plaigiarist (I realize he has changed his evil ways significantly but I don't think that makes up for his wicked, wicked past)

The best part... (3, Funny)

locokamil (850008) | about 9 years ago | (#13085678)

is that his blog doesn't even render properly in my browser (Firefox, Unbuntu). Step right this way, ladies and gentlemen. Spew out your opinion and throw internet standards to the wind... it's all okay because you've got a big AdSense cheque coming your way.

Re:The best part... (1)

line.at.infinity (707997) | about 9 years ago | (#13085731)

I compared it with Safari and Firefox - they look the same and I think it's the intended look.

Re:The best part... (1)

larry bagina (561269) | about 9 years ago | (#13085746)

that doesn't mean shit if it was designed for IE. However, it looks like ass in IE as well.

Re:The best part... (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 9 years ago | (#13085960)

When I designed the site's template for Darren, there were no errors, the code was valid and I designed it using Firefox, checked in Safari and then in IE.

Re:The best part... (1)

AaronLawrence (600990) | about 9 years ago | (#13086104)

It doesn't cope with larger than expected text - the layout is all pixel based apparently. Wouldn't be the first, but it's still silly.

Not a smart thing to talk about... (2, Interesting)

anthony_dipierro (543308) | about 9 years ago | (#13085679)

Google's terms of service explicitly forbit Adsense members from revealing details about how much they make.

Adsense is great, and those figures are probably accurate. But if Google finds out this person broke the TOS, they might just take those payments away.

Re:Not a smart thing to talk about... (3, Informative)

Anonymous Coward | about 9 years ago | (#13085688)

Not anymore. Information about earning totals has been ok for some months now. Adsense publishers still can't reveal clickthrough rates and per-click earnings.

Re:Not a smart thing to talk about... (3, Informative)

paul.dunne (5922) | about 9 years ago | (#13085691)

Not so, at least not quite. It is now allowed to reveal gross income, which is all this chap has done. It is still against the TOS to go into detail, though.

Mod Parents Up!! (1)

programgeek (726420) | about 9 years ago | (#13085693)

Worth noting -- Maybe this article shouldnt be here.

Re:Not a smart thing to talk about... (4, Funny)

camcorder (759720) | about 9 years ago | (#13085792)

Not even to government?

Re:Not a smart thing to talk about... (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 9 years ago | (#13085968)

not true any longer

In other news (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 9 years ago | (#13085681)

Surprising! People make money with ads in their webs!

Re:In other news (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 9 years ago | (#13085711)

The surprising part is that readers still fall for it. Blogs are the ideal advertising platform: Diverse content (good mix of ads), updated daily (return visitors) and low expectancy of journalistic quality (cheap to make, easy to sneak in surreptitious advertising). Consequently many blogs exist just as a vehicle for ads. That's not exactly news. But hey, if people want to read it...

errr (1, Redundant)

Capt. Caneyebus (883802) | about 9 years ago | (#13085682)

blogging is so passe.

Re:errr (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 9 years ago | (#13085841)

I was just thinking the same thing... "Enjoy it while it lasts"... The blog "bubble" is getting close to popping...

(posting as AC because my office has just started a big new "blogging project" that hopes to capitalize on the popular perception that people are interested in this "new medium". I'm waiting for "podcasting" next.. [groan]).

This is really sad... (2, Funny)

rel4x (783238) | about 9 years ago | (#13085683)

...I read this, and I swear, I half expected 'ol Roland to have submitted it...

Now I'm curious (3, Interesting)

AntiGenX (589768) | about 9 years ago | (#13085684)

Since this has been posted to /., is everyone looking at his blogs clicking on a adword? If so his check next month might be even larger. Perhaps that would constitute another definition of the /. effect.

Re:Now I'm curious (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 9 years ago | (#13085706)

Dont you also get cash after 1000~10,000 impressions of the webpage ? so even if people dont click on an ad, he should make some cash...

Re:Now I'm curious (0)

FidelCatsro (861135) | about 9 years ago | (#13085718)

Greetings, friend. Do you wish to look as happy as me? Well, you have the power in you right now. So use it. And send one dollar to "Happy Dude," 742 Evergreen Terrace, Springfield. Don't delay. Eternal happiness is just a dollar away!

Mod parent OVERRATED ,OFFTOPIC and redundant (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 9 years ago | (#13085754)

clearly totally offtopic ,overrated redundant post.
I mean its a Simpsons quote where Homer tries to swindle cash via telemarketing and constantly clogging peoples phone lines .
The parent is about the slashdot (not unknown for its clogging of bandwidth)effect applying to some dude getting his money making scheme posted to and make more money
Oh wait , no it isn't , its completely relevant.
May i just add
his is Homer Simpson, a.k.a. Happy Dude. The court has ordered me to call everyone in town and say that I'm sorry for my telemarketing scams. (pause) I'm sorry. If you can find it in your heart to forgive me, please send one dollar to "Sorry Dude," 742 Evergreen Terrace, Springfield. You have the power

Re:Now I'm curious (-1, Troll)

Anonymous Coward | about 9 years ago | (#13085888)

Hum... the ads I'm seeing on that article...

15 Minute Millionaire
www.mynewiraqidinar.biz

Cash Surfers
www.cashsurfers.com

Take Surveys, Get Paid
www.surveymania.com

Get Paid to Fill in Forms
www.aboutstock.com

BS (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 9 years ago | (#13085690)

I read this guy's blog, looks like the kind of testimonials you get in one of those Penis Enlargement spam mails. I call BS.

Re:BS (1)

larry bagina (561269) | about 9 years ago | (#13085779)

Looking at a few of his blogs, it seemed like one big circle jerk, a few claims with vague details and links to other entries, shampoo, rinse, repeat, ad infinitum. Not to mention the layout is as visually appealing as michael moore in a speedo.

If his other 20 (?) blogs are anything like that, he's either full of shit or got a nice click-fraud racket going.

On logging webs. (3, Insightful)

hyperm0g (867446) | about 9 years ago | (#13085696)

Honestly what on earth is with this 'blogging' craze? I refuse to even acknowledge 'blog' as a legitimate term. Web log perhaps, and I'm barely into my twenties! These web loggers seem to think they have stumbled onto some hertoforth undiscovered treasure -- compensated authorship! Wow, it turns out that a very small percentage of 'bloggers' have the writing ability to generate income doing said activity. Color me serpryzed. Oooh. I just invented a word. Serpryzed. I'm going to go append this to my meta-blog about blogging with a headline stolen from an obscure band from my assumed hometown.

Re:On logging webs. (1, Troll)

maxpublic (450413) | about 9 years ago | (#13085741)

Count me in as scratching my head. I've checked out a good number of the popular "blogs" (stupid fucking word - you'd think geeks could come up with something better than that) and fail to see the attraction. Most of them devolve to nothing more than intellectual masturbation, along with a liberal dose verbal vomit on why the blogger's opinion is so much more important than anyone elses concerning the topic at hand. They're very much like Slashdot posts, eternally modded to 5 because you don't get the chance to slam them into oblivion.

Hmmm...y'know, that isn't a bad analogy. Bloggers as former Slashdot posters who got tired of being modded down.

Max

Re:On logging webs. (1)

Yaro (860240) | about 9 years ago | (#13085999)

Well, there are two trends of blogs I know about :
- intellectual masturbation (as you said). Look, I found a journalist card with my burger !
- teenage craze. Show the world how cool you are and how many friends you have.

But all in all, it's pretty much what the web was already all about for lots of people. Blogs just made it more evident.

And I, myself, admit to posting with ego. Mod me up !

Re:On logging webs. (2, Interesting)

myster0n (216276) | about 9 years ago | (#13086065)

I think "blogging" is the web version of rap. The basics of rap are that anyone can do it, you just take a riff and start rapping over it. And it was cheap. There was a time that rappers wanted to bring a message to the world (Grandmaster Flash, Public Enemy ...). But these days it's mostly just "I'm a pimp and I'm dangerous. I've got a big dick and I fuck around, YO bitch". That is to say : this is the only kind I here on the radio these days.

I see a lot of similarities with blogging. Taking a sample (link to some story), and throw in some bullshit (most blogs don't really have a message).

That said, I do read some blogs sometimes. But those that I read try to be funny, silly, entertaining.

blog = diaries! so how are they different? (1)

fantomas (94850) | about 9 years ago | (#13085770)

yup, I agree - blog = diary. Whoopee, people have been keeping diaries for hundreds of years. People have been writing diary columns in newspapers for ooh at least a hundred years, and receiving mails in response to their "postings" which they in turn may respond to and discuss. Can somebody tell me why blogs are so different? (medium aside)

Re:blog = diaries! so how are they different? (1)

Pantero Blanco (792776) | about 9 years ago | (#13085845)

Diaries are meant to be private...I've never seen a "diary column", but it doesn't seem like it's a diary in the original sense of the word.

Blogs are meant to be public, and the fact that they're online gives the author the feeling that it *just might* be read by thousands of people. Yes, the diary columns you're talking about are essentially the same thing on a local level (though a true diary isn't).

Re:On logging webs. (2, Funny)

John Seminal (698722) | about 9 years ago | (#13085775)

Honestly what on earth is with this 'blogging' craze? I refuse to even acknowledge 'blog' as a legitimate term.

I agree. What is the difference between a blog and a service like livejournal? Places where people write down their thoughts.

I don't waste time on blogs. I have never found anything that interesting to read in them. Most are ramblings by people. It is too much work going through them until a good one is found. Then, with my luck, that person shuts it down and moves on. One of my favroites was fancyrobot, he sold his website to some chick and the quality of the writing has gone way down. Funny thing is I found his "blog" not because I was searching for blogs, but because I was searching for information on the cast of French In Action, what happened to them all. The blond in that show had the best titties of any woman I have ever seen, they would poke right through her puffy sweater. There was one scene, where they wanted to teach how to say "sorry" and they had robert spill some water on the blonds dress. The water must have been very, very cold, because I have never seen two nipples stick out that quickly in my life. And I wondered if the creater of the series is still alive, what he is doing, along with the younger sister and robert, the american.

The ones that post about news, I'd rather watch the big 3 network news programs. I can't believe some guy in his basement will get better insight into what's happening in the world than ABC, NBC, or CBS news. I like solid news, not spinning. Plus, who has the better contacts in government?? Could a blog have gotten deepthroat, or some high ranking FBI official to spill the beans. Reporters are prepared to go to jail to protect thier sources, they have great legal teams. What protection does the blogger offer?

The other reason I dislike blogs is because they are pointless. The person might write about food and recipies today, and about his walk in the park tomorrow. There is no real subject. I guess some could say it is like fiction, the linear life of a person, but most people don't live lives worth writing about. Well, there is one, Richard Marcinko. If someone lives a life like him, by all means, write it down and put it on the web. ;)

Re:On logging webs. (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 9 years ago | (#13086028)

I'd rather watch the big 3 network news programs ... ABC, NBC, or CBS news. I like solid news, not spinning.

You are joking, aren't you? Please tell me you're joking.

Re:On logging webs. (1)

Trepalium (109107) | about 9 years ago | (#13085840)

If you were a blogger, you probably would've said you invented a "meme", and would've somehow included the "blogosphere", too. There's plenty more verbal diarrhea involved in most blogs, but those are the only two that I can remember at the moment. Unfortunately, I found a link [samizdata.net] with plenty more. :-(

Re:On logging webs. (1)

DarkEdgeX (212110) | about 9 years ago | (#13085948)

Indeed. I use the term "wiaries", a clever mix of "web diaries". Unfortunately when I use it in conversation it a) sounds like I'm saying something relating to "wires" and b) confuses people because they have no idea what it means. :(

Oh well, at least it's not as retarded as "podcasting"..

Re:On logging webs. (2, Interesting)

FoXDie (853291) | about 9 years ago | (#13086022)

This is all a product of our collective Attention Whorishness. We all want people to pay attention to us, we want to look cool. People make blogs because they think people care, and that they will read their totally creative and interesting life stories.

The kind of self-indulgent bullshit [xanga.com] , pathetic emo ramblings [xanga.com] , and general hollow angst [xanga.com] that was usually safely confined within Diaries and Journals are now being broadcast to everyone with Webernet access.

But that's not even the worst part. Here's an excerpt from someone's Xanga blog that I happen to know: "He said please let me give you a ride home with tears pouring from his eyes and I said no no no and ran the other way crying as I am still right now just remembering what happened. So I started to walk away looking back every once in a while hoping, praying he would come driving back to me. Picking me up saying that my world will be a little easier. And he never came and never came and never came. Which made me cry even harder."
She just exposed the long-kept secret that women are manipulative drama queens... on the blog that her boyfriend reads... that his friends read... and that his parents read!

If someone would like to help form some kind of terrorist organization (more COBRA less Al Queda) to rid the world of Blogs, and hell Reality TV while we're at it, please contact me.

Re:On logging webs. (1)

FoXDie (853291) | about 9 years ago | (#13086025)

By the way, would you like to see my Blog? [xanga.com]


=P

Re:On logging webs. (1)

0111 1110 (518466) | about 9 years ago | (#13086064)

That aint you :). But it is funny. I just don't get whether it is for real or not. There should be a whole website for suicidal blogs. Now that's something I could sink my teeth into. Hot girls posting about how happy they are and how many guys checked them out makes me want to rape, torture, and kill them. And then kill them again. And then maybe rape them again. Saving the last bullet for myself of course.

$10,000 - 20,000? (2, Insightful)

j_philipp (803945) | about 9 years ago | (#13085699)

I'm missing the part in his blog post where he speaks about earning $10,000 - $20,000. He only talks about a big paycheck. Only in the comments is this figure mentioned. So I wonder where exactly the figure's coming from...

Re:$10,000 - 20,000? (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 9 years ago | (#13085705)

the lying sac has it in his comments section.

Want free 3D mcad software (-1, Offtopic)

Anonymous Coward | about 9 years ago | (#13085715)

http://www.x-cad.net/ [x-cad.net]

I want one....help meee :P

Re:Want free 3D mcad software (-1, Offtopic)

Anonymous Coward | about 9 years ago | (#13085752)

NO!!! GO AWAY!!!

Obligatory... (0, Offtopic)

millennial (830897) | about 9 years ago | (#13085719)

Oh man. If Maddox [thebestpag...iverse.net] heard about this, he'd be pretty upset.

Oh wait. No, he wouldn't. Because he's a badass pirate, and according to the Uncyclopedia, "it is important to note that pirates will never, ever stop being cool." [uncyclopedia.org]

Not to be confused with Ninjas, who "just totally flip out and cut people's heads off ALL the time" [uncyclopedia.org] . Ninjas would not make good bloggers, because they would constantly be attacking their monitors because they look like heads.

Re:Obligatory... (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 9 years ago | (#13085801)

His page is pretty much a blog as well.

Re:Obligatory... (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 9 years ago | (#13085852)

His site is not a blog you blog loving bloger you!

Adsence + AdBlock+*googlesyndication*= (1)

HeavyMS (820705) | about 9 years ago | (#13085725)

No more #"#"&%"## adds

According to Maddox: (1, Troll)

millennial (830897) | about 9 years ago | (#13085734)

Blogging: If minds had anuses, blogging would be what your mind would do when it had to take a dump.
<maddox> [thebestpag...iverse.net]

Re:The REAL tragady of P2P (2, Funny)

sillybilly (668960) | about 9 years ago | (#13085808)

ahahahahaha! what do you call slashdotting? urinating?

you're my hero. (1)

sinner0423 (687266) | about 9 years ago | (#13085817)

i'd mod you up if i had points.

Re:According to Maddox: (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 9 years ago | (#13085838)

The best page in the universe IS a blog, not all blogs are alike.

Re:According to Maddox: (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 9 years ago | (#13086029)

A hexdump, that is.

But WHY? (1)

Angostura (703910) | about 9 years ago | (#13085738)

I'm sorry, I've just had a look at this blog, and why would anyone bother? It's self referential, a little self indulgent, and there's nothing either interesting or insightful on the front page.

Perhaps a regular reader could tell me - is it usually better than this?

Re:But WHY? (5, Insightful)

Anonymous Coward | about 9 years ago | (#13085759)

He does what always pays best in a new market: He shows a way to make money.

The spammers who make the most are those who sell spamming tools. The people who earned the most with the web in its early days were the ones who built the tools to make websites. The bloggers who make the most are those who blog about making money. The podcasters who will make the most will be the ones who tell others how to make money podcasting.

He's a pro-blogger blogging about making money with blogging. He's right on the money and tells you to do something else, because if you started to blog about problogging, you would start to cut in on his action.

Re:But WHY? (1)

CHESTER COPPERPOT (864371) | about 9 years ago | (#13085834)

The specialized niche blogs are excellent. I for instance read a lot of war and intelligence stuff. So Blogs like Global Guerillas [typepad.com] , History of the Middle East & Religion [juancole.com] , Counter-terrorist blog [typepad.com] , Pentagons New Map blog [thomaspmbarnett.com] , Terrorism Financing [douglasfarah.com] , Cryptome and Scheiner among a whole heap of others. The problem for me is I have to try keep away from Kos, Instapundit and LGF cause those type of blogs are partisan fuckwads that are more interested in bagging each other out and giving deceptive 'news' than giving realistic war analysis.

Advertisements (1)

hayalci (807196) | about 9 years ago | (#13085748)

I can't imagine how people are clicking on ads so often. I have never seen anyone clicking on an advertisement. It just does not make sense; If I'm looking for a hosting, I search for hosting firms on the search engines, I do not click on the ads of a page that contains the word "hosting" in it.

I only click on ads of some project web sites, when I like what they have done and I want to show my appreciation without spending money.

Re:Advertisements (2, Funny)

larry bagina (561269) | about 9 years ago | (#13085757)

they read blogs, they click on ads. they probably buy herbal v1agra and L@@K at RARE! ebay auctions too.

Self fullfiling prophesy? (2, Insightful)

TapeCutter (624760) | about 9 years ago | (#13085756)

A blog about how bloggers can get rich, gets him get rich from blogging.

Re:Self fullfiling prophesy? (1)

TapeCutter (624760) | about 9 years ago | (#13085761)

Sorry, there are a few too many "get" words in that last (hic) post. BuuUURRRRrrPPPP!

Did google ruin the internet? (4, Insightful)

John Seminal (698722) | about 9 years ago | (#13085758)

It seems to me, there are more websites now with the intention of making money than with the intention of fostering a community.

The strategy has changed. 10 years ago, if someone wanted to talk about tv shows, they might have started a website called TvTome, and let members contribute, and it was a real community. You would not believe how many knowlegable star trek fans are out there, same goes for quantum leap. These people wrote some great insightful episode summaries, which had great attention to the shows history, philosophical meanings, and excitement. While I did not see them all, I bet there was a nice battlestar gallactica section. Those posts are gone.

Then someone got the idea to start advertising, and nothing has been the same since.

Now websites have a plan, get members to contribute for free, and take those contributations and make money. Isn't that crooked? There is no "thanks", no respect.

In the case of TvTome, cnet came and purchased them for a cool $5 million dollars. The owner of TvTome did not care about his community anymore, he wanted the money. And all the posts, everything the community contributed was lost. How many people want to put the effort into rebuilding what they already made?

I'll give another example. AVS forums is a place where people talk high end projectors and plasma televisions and the such. The owner sells projectors, and made a new rule, only MSRP prices can be quoted. Yet, if it was not for the 100 or so very insightful members who offer great advice, his forum would be nothing, meaningless. People go to his forum because there is a smart community there that is willing to offer good advice. Meanwhile, the owner capitalizes off this and makes a profit. Seems to me, the people who should be making a profit are the ones giving their free advice and building the community.

And then there is one DVD website where the admins went bezerk. They lost their minds. They started banning people left and right, people whos posts are still there and posts that are valuable. Why were these people banned? Your guess is as good as mine, I think one admin said he banned a guy because he had a link to amazon, and did not use the forums link to amazon which generates some money for the forum.

I love the idea of a community, where people exchange their knowledge and friendship. I hate the idea of 1 person owning these communities and getting rich off the free work and contributations of the members.

Re:Did google ruin the internet? (3, Insightful)

DoktorTomoe (643004) | about 9 years ago | (#13085780)

The world is neither black or white, and the sades of grey it is painted with are mostly the lighter ones.

Of course there are sites that only exist for a quick buck. There also are a lot of valuable "communities" (albeit it has come to my attention that communities tend to make a lot less ad-related income than websites with litte or no user-interaction).

However, running a popular web project is not for free - there are hosting costs, and there may be a point when you need technical assistance from a professional (geeks as we are, we know how much we are billing). And after all the work the site maintainer has put into a successful site, I really think it is legitimate if he wants to get something back.

I am running a fairly popular german-language download site. Adsense does pay for the bills of hosting and for my work. It even allows me my rather costly taste for good coffee. I am not feeling like a criminal - after all, I've had and have most of the work with this project.

Re:Did google ruin the internet? (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 9 years ago | (#13085783)

are you talking about slashdot?

Re:Did google ruin the internet? (1)

Cramer (69040) | about 9 years ago | (#13085798)

...and take those contributations and make money...

It worked for Redhat...

...he wanted the money...

And for $5mil, I wouldn't give a shit about "community" either. And, in fact, I've "sold out" for far less before.

Re:Did google ruin the internet? (4, Insightful)

Eminence (225397) | about 9 years ago | (#13085856)

Yeah, money is evil [cpusa.org] , it destroys communities and pretty much everything.

But seriously, you exaggerate. Only few would make any money from their blogging or sites yet many sites appear. For most of the bloggers I know putting an ad link is something extra, something that you do just for the heck of it. You can easily tell those who blog for money (or try to) from those who blog to express themselves - the former usually don't have anything to say. And if someone has something to say that is so interesting to people that he is able to get real readership and thus ad revenue then what's wrong with that?

Same goes for forums etc. - no one forces you to post on a form whose policies you don't accept. And if there is no forum/community that would suit you start one with the policies exactly the way you want them to be.

Re:Did google ruin the internet? (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 9 years ago | (#13085865)

Yeah, money is evil [cpusa.org], it destroys communities and pretty much everything.

You misspelled "communism".

Re:Did google ruin the internet? (1)

dakkon1024 (691790) | about 9 years ago | (#13085993)

There is a fine line between selling out and making a dollar. If you stand for something, you are not supposed to compromise your ways for anything. Most people though, stand for making money, and will do anything legal (or illegal in some cases) to acquire it. I do not know the owners that you discuss personally, but if their first goal is the legal acquisition of money, then they are not really selling out. They are just profiting from a hobby. It would be no different then this scenario. You take an interest in sculpting; spend a year or two creating sculptures. Then someone offers you 5 million for one just to smash it. The sculpture (or website) isn't really all that important to you if at all. You don't stand for art and never did, you're an IT guy, so what's it matter if someone wants to smash it. You take the 5 million and call it a day. Also, you are free to create some form of uncorrupt able "PBS type" forum. I do agree with your dismay though. I wish that more people would stand for something other then the dollar. It's just a product of capitalism.

From the site's sitemeter.com stats (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 9 years ago | (#13085764)

as i refresh, i find that the Firefox percentage is decreasing (from 60% when i started typing this text to 53% as i finish typing this text). So, most ppl here read slashdot articles with IE?huh!.
Flames welcome

Live and learn ... (5, Interesting)

Richard W.M. Jones (591125) | about 9 years ago | (#13085769)

We had the opposite experience with Adsense. We set up a site (j-london.com [j-london.com] ) with an agreement that we'd develop the back end (discussion, place for people to put adverts, etc.) in return for taking revenue from Adsense adverts on the site.

Well, I think we earned about $600 last year from that one :-(

It's not helped by the abysmal state of the dollar-pound, nor by the fact that Google pays with dollar checks and the bank takes a huge cut along the way.

Adsense gives us hardly any guidance as to what fees we get. It seems like Google takes a large cut. We're looking at replacing it with a commission junction advert slot [cj.com] .

Rich.

Re:Live and learn ... (1)

HyperChicken (794660) | about 9 years ago | (#13085796)

Of course Google takes a huge cut from it! I mean, it's their main business model. They need to take a large cut.

Re:Live and learn ... (1)

DoktorTomoe (643004) | about 9 years ago | (#13085803)

Well, of course Google takes a large cut. That's their business model, and that is what makes them survive.

If your site made $50 per month, you are doing something wrong, and quite possibly you just have too few visitors. It also seems you only show one ad per page, when you can show up to 4. Why is this? What if the second, third or forth would have made a click? Use a larger banner format (skyscraper?) and try again.

Re:Live and learn ... (1)

ezzzD55J (697465) | about 9 years ago | (#13086098)

Well, of course Google takes a large cut. That's their business model, and that is what makes them survive.

I think you and Hyperchicken misread GP's post; he said the bank takes a large cut when cashing checks, something I have first-hand experience with too.

It also seems you only show one ad per page, when you can show up to 4. Why is this? What if the second, third or forth would have made a click? Use a larger banner format (skyscraper?) and try again.

Eww, it doesn't sound like you're making his pages prettier..

He's gonna be even richer... (1)

vectorian798 (792613) | about 9 years ago | (#13085777)

...from all the web traffic that is gonna come flowing in from Slashdot.

when did google adsense allow blogs? (1)

krunk4ever (856261) | about 9 years ago | (#13085828)

i remember i got rejected for this reason...

Re:when did google adsense allow blogs? (1, Funny)

Anonymous Coward | about 9 years ago | (#13086051)

No, you got rejected because your blog sucked.

profit (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 9 years ago | (#13085829)

1) Setup a site that lies about making tens of thousands in profit.

2) Get a link to the site on Slashdot.

3) PROFIT!!!

Re:profit (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 9 years ago | (#13085873)

+5 Insightful

Re:profit (1)

Mazem (789015) | about 9 years ago | (#13085884)

He's not a liar - just temporally challenged.

Numbers Game (4, Interesting)

Ray Radlein (711289) | about 9 years ago | (#13085874)

Wait a second... his site gets a piddling 3000 page views a day [sitemeter.com] (/. gave it that many in the last hour, in the middle of the night!), and he claims to be making big bucks?

WTF?

Technorati has 16 links in the last three days [technorati.com] (many of them this current story), which is nice, but not exactly Boingboing, is it? Alexa has it at a nice, but not spectacular, rank of 32,764 (compare to TalkingPointsMemo's rank of 19,893 or Juan Cole's 19,776), and it barely shows up on Daypop [daypop.com] . I don't see where the money comes from with those types of numbers.

Re:Numbers Game (2, Funny)

Greg_D (138979) | about 9 years ago | (#13085913)

He claims to have 20 blogs, and some generate more traffic than others. Of course, when Google decides to no longer advertise on blogs, he can apply for a nagging housewife position somewhere, since he seems to be successful at giving his opinion when nobody's ever asked him for it.

Re:Numbers Game (3, Insightful)

hankwang (413283) | about 9 years ago | (#13086013)

Wait a second... his site gets a piddling 3000 page views a day ... WTF?

Read. He says that he has around twenty blogger web sites; he just doesn't tell which one is generating most of the revenue. For example his digital camera site has 20k views per day.

Apart from that, Adsense revenue depends a lot on the type of advertisements. Advertisers only pay $0.05 for clicks on ads for small niche products with little competition. It can be over $10 for a single click on high-competition, high-profit products. See all the bogus web sites that are stuffed with "information" about debt consolidation, loans, online poker, etc.

He has only 2 blogs (1)

NigelJohnstone (242811) | about 9 years ago | (#13086067)

Searching on his Google ID

http://search.yahoo.com/search?ei=UTF-8&fr=sfp&p=p ub-7461244205906982 [yahoo.com]

Shows only 2 entries
http://feeds.feedburner.com/DigitalPhotographyBlog [feedburner.com]

and the ProBlogger one.

Since he's not allowed to have multiple Google Adsense accounts, he must only have 2 sites.

Sickening. (2, Insightful)

BubTheZombie (900418) | about 9 years ago | (#13085902)

It's things like this that prove that humanity as we know it is getting increasingly asinine. (As if that weren't already fucking apparent.) Blogging is the most redundant form of emo droning on the net.

Well condsidering (1)

OverlordQ (264228) | about 9 years ago | (#13085906)

Pretty much 1/2 the content on this guys page is Google Ads and/or ads for something else, I'm not surprised.

it's Australian dollar by the way... (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 9 years ago | (#13085966)

Look at his "about" page. He's in Australia.
Isn't it $2US = $1AU ?

These days... (1)

Neticulous (900423) | about 9 years ago | (#13086012)

Its all about the money... "Hey, this blogging thing could make me money if I spend 30 minutes spare time writing up random stuff!" REAL bloggers dont do it for the money, dont even have ads, and just do it to give visitors information about their personal life, or information on whatever the blogs topic is. If there were a new form of "blog" that didnt have ads, and werent meant to create revenue those would be the "blogs" to visit IMO.
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