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Nigerian Scammers Brought to Justice

Zonk posted more than 9 years ago | from the for-once dept.

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KaushalParekh writes "Almost all of us get those junk emails from someone in Africa usually promising millions of dollars if you give them your bank details. Finally good to know that they are being caught by the authorities and punished. These are also known as 419 emails named after the Nigerian penal code for fraud. As an interesting aside, fooling these scammers by responding to their emails is a fun passtime for quite a few who call themselves baiters. Check out the trophy pictures of these spammers.. pretty funny."

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The Question Is: (-1, Offtopic)

Anonymous Coward | more than 9 years ago | (#13091759)

Did they also have yellowcake?

Is it just me...? Or did someone else troll...? (0, Offtopic)

Uber Banker (655221) | more than 9 years ago | (#13091766)

See Subject

Re:The Question Is: (-1, Offtopic)

Anonymous Coward | more than 9 years ago | (#13091790)

Like the uranium that Joe Wilson lied about? Perhaps.

But then the Demorats covered it up. They'd rather let tyrants have wmds than allow any Republican victory.

Re:The Question Is: (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 9 years ago | (#13091821)

This is confusing. The press confrences and interviews where Republicans make similar statements are starting to make me wonder if the whole world has gone crazy or if it is just me. I thought Wilson said that there was no African uranium, and of course there was none. I thought that was why Karl Rove outed Wilson's wife. Did I miss something? What did the Democrats do?

Re:The Question Is: (-1, Flamebait)

Anonymous Coward | more than 9 years ago | (#13091846)

Let me put it bluntly: Joe Wilson lied about the yellowcake to smear Bush. Joe Wilson was sent to Niger by his Demoratic wife in the CIA. Joe Wilson also lied about being ordered by Cheney. Subsequent investigations have shown that there was an illicit trade of Uranium between Niger and Iraq. Luckily, there are brave enough individuals in the administration to set the record straight.

Re:The Question Is: (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 9 years ago | (#13091899)

And the whitewas... eh, subsequent investigations were, of course, conducted by loyal GOP party members and supporters.

Re:The Question Is: (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 9 years ago | (#13091934)

please cite yellowcake evidence.

Also "lied about about being ordered by Cheney" is small peas compared to vast web of lies, misdirection, and deception used by the Bush administration to justify the war. Justifying a war with lies is about the worst thing a President can do to democracy.

Anyone else remember "We know where the WMDs are."? Because I do, and I remember thinking to myself, "Why don't you go to where they are (there were inspectors on the ground at the time) and bring them back and show me?" It seemed like a pretty bald faced lie at the time, and it seems even more so now.

Oh well, at least Bush is pro life, even if has ordered the death of thousands based on falsified evidence. Remember? The yellowcake papers cited in Bush's state of the union were forged!

Burn (-1, Offtopic)

Anonymous Coward | more than 9 years ago | (#13091769)

[kelso]

BURN!

[/kelso]

I can imagine the next nigerian spam now... (5, Funny)

Anonymous Coward | more than 9 years ago | (#13091770)

Prince Wathisname is in jail and to pay his bail, we have to get rid of this US$14.2 from his bank...

p-p-powerbook (-1, Redundant)

fallscrape (707160) | more than 9 years ago | (#13091772)

wow. Is this news? I thought this link had featured many, many times. Perhaps as many as 419 times.

p-p-p-owerbook!

This has nothing to do with email though. (5, Informative)

Hidyman (225308) | more than 9 years ago | (#13091774)

The 419 in the article says the most common for is email fraud, but the person arrested didn't use email, it was a bank job.

Re:This has nothing to do with email though. (5, Informative)

mincognito (839071) | more than 9 years ago | (#13091836)

The article doesn't it make it clear but the banker was in fact duped through email. A bit more information from Reuters here:

http://today.reuters.com/news/newsArticle.aspx?typ e=internetNews&storyID=2005-07-16T151736Z_01_N1618 0730_RTRIDST_0_NET-NIGERIA-FRAUD-DC.XML [reuters.com]

If i were in the 419 business i'd seriously think about getting out. From the above link:

"The anti-fraud agency [The Economic and Financial Crimes Commission] has arrested over 200 junk mail scam suspects since 2003. It says it has also confiscated property worth $200 million and secured 10 other convictions."

Re:This has nothing to do with email though. (2)

1u3hr (530656) | more than 9 years ago | (#13091856)

more information from Reuters

"Nigerian court has sentenced a woman to two and half years in jail after she pleaded guilty to fraud charges in the country's biggest e-mail scam case, the anti-fraud agency said on Saturday. Amaka Anajemba, one of three suspects in a $242 million fraud involving a Brazilian bank, would return $48.5 million to the bank, hand over $5 million to the government and pay a fine of 2 million naira ($15,000), the agency said."

Which leaves almost $200 million unaccounted for.

If i were in the 419 business i'd seriously think about getting out.

I'd do two and a half years for $200 million, though maybe that was already recoved, as below:.

"The anti-fraud agency has arrested over 200 junk mail scam suspects since 2003. It says it has also confiscated property worth $200 million and secured 10 other convictions."

But "10 convictions"? I get that many 419 spams in two weeks.

Re:This has nothing to do with email though. (4, Funny)

FidelCatsro (861135) | more than 9 years ago | (#13092047)

"The Arresting officer was later interviewed , and had said 'the other money had just vanished' as he boarded his private Jet to the caiman islands "

Re:This has nothing to do with email though. (1)

aussie_a (778472) | more than 9 years ago | (#13091920)

If i were in the 419 business i'd seriously think about getting out. From the above link:

"The anti-fraud agency [The Economic and Financial Crimes Commission] has arrested over 200 junk mail scam suspects since 2003. It says it has also confiscated property worth $200 million and secured 10 other convictions."


That's good news for people getting e-mails from scammers. But what about me? I'm getting e-mails from prince's widows. How am I going to stop them from e-mailing me?

What do we call a dodgy "sales order" (3, Informative)

CdBee (742846) | more than 9 years ago | (#13091776)

Recently I received a mail asking for a quote for delivery of a crate of a particular Texas Instruments integrated circuit to a location in Lagos, Nigeria

It was blatantly not a misdirected mail as my email address couldn't be confused with any major electronics retailer. Is there some ongoing scam that relies on getting goods sent and not paying for them? (Escrow fraud?)

Re:What do we call a dodgy "sales order" (1)

pe1rxq (141710) | more than 9 years ago | (#13091792)

t was blatantly not a misdirected mail as my email address couldn't be confused with any major electronics retailer.

You would be surprised how many people manage to click on wrong addressess in address books and send emails without checking....

Jeroen

Re:What do we call a dodgy "sales order" (1)

CdBee (742846) | more than 9 years ago | (#13091912)

maybe so, but why would a nigerian businesman of whom I have never heard have me in his addressbook?

Re:What do we call a dodgy "sales order" (5, Informative)

panaceaa (205396) | more than 9 years ago | (#13091810)

Beware of anyone who offers payment in the form of a cashiers check. Craigslist.org has some good details [craigslist.org] on the scam. Basically, the cashiers check looks like it goes through, you mail out the product, but meanwhile the check bounces. Your checking account goes back to its original balance (minus a bounce fee), but you happen to have mailed the merchandise already!!

Another variant involves wiring money to an account in order to refund the balance of a larger check. Craigslist has the details.

Re:What do we call a dodgy "sales order" (2, Funny)

Anonymous Coward | more than 9 years ago | (#13091871)

No, there's no such fraud going on. You can now proceed with sending the goods. However, because of your suspicion, I must ask you to send me anvanced payment for processing the preparations of the upcoming large orders - this is just a formality and you'll get $5.600.000 (five million six hundred thousand US dollars) in cash next monday if you succeed to act promptly. Okey?

Re:What do we call a dodgy "sales order" (1)

empaler (130732) | more than 9 years ago | (#13091943)

YOU FORGOT TO CAPITALIZE, ESPECIALLY IN THE MONEY CLARIFICATION WHERE IT IS V. IMPORTANT TO SHOUT ... or maybe you just didn't want to deal with the telling filter.
Lameness filter encountered. Post aborted!
Reason: Don't use so many caps. It's like YELLING.

Re:What do we call a dodgy "sales order" (1)

jurt1235 (834677) | more than 9 years ago | (#13092008)

Or it is really smart phish mail.
You will try to be helpfull, provide them with some of your data to take care that you do not get blaimed for this wrongdoing, et voila, you end up being scammed.

Same as in the "e-Bay account messages". At the bottom they now place a line saying that there will be a reactivation fine of $350 if you do not respond. Smart, try to deceive and scare people into your fraud.

I myself call it... (1, Interesting)

speights_pride! (898232) | more than 9 years ago | (#13091785)

...third world debt relief. Let us hope that the scammers actually are from Nigeria and spend their money in their local economies.

It does not work like that... (5, Interesting)

John Seminal (698722) | more than 9 years ago | (#13091853)

Let us hope that the scammers actually are from Nigeria and spend their money in their local economies

There was a 60 Minutes peice on a country in South Africa, I think it was Mozambique, but I don't remember.

The news story was about how Exon went to the country, and told their King (the country had a monarchy), they told the King they found oil and wanted to set up Exon refineries and the such. The King, knowing his own people did not have the skill to extract the oil, agreed to sell the oil for $0.02 on the dollar. In one way Exxon was ripping off this country big time. But when one saw the amount of money in the aggregate, one thinks maybe some new roads, hospitals, and schools could be built with this money because this nation was dirt poor, and the people have nothing.

What did the King do? He learned to speak French and purchased a $10,000,000 condo in the Riviera, in the south of France, and another one in Paris. He own dozens of sports cars, including porches. And he will buy 20 suits at once, $10,000 suits, some of which he will never wear. He buys them on impulse.

And what about his country? His brother complained in the newspapers about needing a new school for the capital, for the children. His brother was sentanced to 7 years in prision. Others were executed.

60 minutes went to Exxon to ask them about buying the oil for $.02 on the dollar, about the poltical climate in this African country, and Exxon refused to comment.

Oh, I remember what 60 minutes wanted to ask Exxon. It seems that Exxon has paid for some helicopters to be used in the area, and when there was an uprising, Exxon let the King use those helicopters, sending gunners up in Exxon helicopters to shoot at protestors. Why was Exxon helping the King kill his own people, to protect a contract which was making Exxon executives very rich?

Anyways, the whole point of this post is about greed and self love. Exxon did it, finding an idiot to exploit. The King in return did it to his own people. The only ones who made any money was Exxon and some very overpriced French tailors. It is sad, because the people are the ones who lost out on their resources. The natural resources in the area did not belong to the King, but to ALL the people who lived in that area. And they are the worse off for it.

Re:It does not work like that... (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 9 years ago | (#13091874)

Why was Exxon helping the King kill his own people, to protect a contract which was making Exxon executives very rich?

Because this King likes our freedoms ?

Re:It does not work like that... (2, Informative)

k98sven (324383) | more than 9 years ago | (#13091948)

Sounds more like the dictatorship Equatorial Guinea [washingtonpost.com] in west Africa, not Mozambique.

Neither of those are monarchies, though. (Moz is even a democracy) Perhaps you're thinking about Lesotho or Swaziland, both south African monarchies.. Although they don't have any significant oil AFAIK.

Re:It does not work like that... (1)

Illserve (56215) | more than 9 years ago | (#13091976)

"Why was Exxon helping the King kill his own people, to protect a contract which was making Exxon executives very rich? "

Exhibit A: a question that contains it's own answer.

Re:It does not work like that... (1)

ErikZ (55491) | more than 9 years ago | (#13091999)

Huh?

What do you mean 'Did not belong to the King."

It's *his* Kingdom. He can do whatever the hell he wants to do to it. And they're *his* people, they will live as well or as poorly as he allows him to.

Why do you think all Western countries have abandoned monarchies? Sure, there are some figureheads, but they don't have the power like they used to. They all used to have it.

Exxon went in and profited from the situation? No kidding! What would you suggest? Another useless oil embargo where no oil company can go in and drill for oil? You know that would last all of five seconds.

Go in, tear out dictators, install Democracy. It's the only way the people have a voice.

Re:It does not work like that... (1, Insightful)

John Seminal (698722) | more than 9 years ago | (#13092044)

Go in, tear out dictators, install Democracy. It's the only way the people have a voice.

No, that is not the right thing to do. The people who live there must make whatever changes they want. They must be the ones to organize, to decide their own future. It does not work, when the USA goes into a country and tells the people "we are giving you democoracy". Who knows, maybe the people would figure out a better system than democoracy. What if they became a communist nation, with everyone living in equality, where every citizen was gaurenteed a share of the oil profits. There is so much money in oil, who knows, to people who live off $1 per day, the oil might have made them relativly wealthy compared to how they live now. Maybe the people would want to use the money to start schools, that are free and open to all their citizens with no tuition charged. Maybe everyone would get free health care. Who knows what they would do, but there is a chance they might reject capitalism, where one person makes moeny off others.

Exxon went in and profited from the situation? No kidding! What would you suggest? Another useless oil embargo where no oil company can go in and drill for oil? You know that would last all of five seconds.

What I suggest is not using USA money to help a King who acts like a dictator, who steals from his own people. The oil does not belong to the King. This is a dirty deal between an American company and a greedy King. The USA has every right to tell its companies, you can not help support or fund a person who would sell all his natural resources, and then use that money to supress his own people. That does not mean that we go in there fighting them. We just don't support them with money. Let the King find a way to drill the oil himself, maybe he would be forced to educate enough of his own citizens. Maybe that would lead to people questioning how the oil is being used, where the money is going. I agree, Exxon buying the oil for $.02 on the dollar is a steal for Exxon. But imagine if the people who lived there could drill it themseleves. They would have 50 times as much revenue. How do the United Arab Emirates drill their oil? I think I remember reading that every single citizen of that country is a millionair because the country shares the oil profits with every citizen.

It's *his* Kingdom. He can do whatever the hell he wants to do to it. And they're *his* people, they will live as well or as poorly as he allows him to.

It is not his Kingdom any more than the people allow him to keep his title. There have been good Kings throught history; Kings the people loved and adored. It is true that most would let greed take over, and would become lustful of power. But some Kings have trully loved their people, and have had long lines of monarchs that were good to the people.

Erik, you are making the mistake of thinking other countries would be better off as democoracies or capitalist nations. Maybe they would, maybe they would not. Some countries have strong ties to tradition, and their culture is incompatible with a capitalsim. If I lived in Africa and was poor, and lived off a few farm animals and whatever crops I could grow, I think I would preffer that lifestyle to a capitalism system where a factory forces everyone off their land, and into working for pennies.

If this King was good, what he would have done is taken the deal with Exxon for the first 3 or 4 years. He would have built schools, hospitals, and basic services his people need. He would have put together a team to learn how to drill oil for themselevs. And after the contract with Exxon expired, the King would have used his own people to drill for oil. Maybe in one generation, the King could have built enough schools and universities and telephone lines, that his people would be competing with India for outsourcing contracts. ;)

Re:It does not work like that... (2, Informative)

Siener (139990) | more than 9 years ago | (#13092036)

There was a 60 Minutes peice on a country in South Africa, I think it was Mozambique, but I don't remember.

South Africa [wikipedia.org] is a country. If you want to talk about the region it's Southern Africa [wikipedia.org] .

Also, the only mention that I could find to something similar to what you discuss in your post is Equatorial Guinea [cbsnews.com] , which is part of West Africa or Central Africa, depending on who you listen to. Either way, you're off by a few thousand miles. Oh, and they have a president, not a king.

Re:It does not work like that... (3, Insightful)

slashdotnickname (882178) | more than 9 years ago | (#13092061)

Anyways, the whole point of this post is about greed and self love.

Bullshit. The whole point of your post was a tired rant about evil oil companies.

The real "greed and self love" criminal here is the king who selfishly profited off his country's resources, squandered the money on vanity items he never used, and killed/imprisoned his own people.

Yet you brush him off as just an idiot being exploited by big oil. Even though this "idiot" taught himself French and runs a censorship program in his own country (not a small task).

Your bias goes so deep that you even accuse Exxon of helping the king kill people ("Why was Exxon helping the King kill his own people"). It would be suicide for any global publicly-traded corporation to support the slaughter of innocent people. Exxon might of owned the helicopters (commonly used when exploring landscapes for oil drilling), but it was the king and his greed that took them and filled them with soldiers. It was the king that ordered the soldiers to kill dissenters.

But you don't care... you don't see one of Africa's main problems as being the corrupt tyrants that rule it... you don't see the Africa rich enough in resources that it's capable of feeding everyone but yet it's mismanaged by murderous dictators... you don't see the jobs and skills training that Exxon brought in... to you the problem is the evil "big corporations" and other such communist garbage.

Getting rid of the scammer money. (5, Funny)

Tatarize (682683) | more than 9 years ago | (#13091786)

The Nigerian Scammer has used all of his money he got from scamming people. I am Blahahe Blahemoni and managing his financials. I hate him. I think he might actually beat the charges so I want to make sure his money isn't here when he gets out. Please send me account information to dump this large pile of ill gotten money. You will have the last laugh. If you got ripped off by this scammer also include how much he got you for and your account will get preference. Although, judging from the account balances there is plenty of money to go around.


T-3 days. Just you wait.

Proposal for you (1, Funny)

Big Nothing (229456) | more than 9 years ago | (#13091789)

Dear,
My name is Offori Atta, I am the Regional manager of SSB Bank of Ghana Takoradi branch in the western Region of Ghana.I am married with two lovely kids. I am a man of peace and I don't want problems, I only hope you can assist me. I have packaged a financial transaction that will benefit you and I, as the Regional manager of SSB Bank it is my duty to send in a financial report to my head office in the Capital city Accra at the end of each Business Year.On the course of the last year 2004 Business Report, I discovered that my branch in which I am the manager made Three million five hundred and twenty thousand US Dollars ($1,520,000.00) which my head office are not aware of and will never be aware of. I have placed this fund on what we call escrow call account with no beneficiary. As an officer of this Bank I cannot be directly connected to this money, so my aim of contacting you to assist me receive this money in your Bank account and get 30% of the total fund as commission though is negotiable. There are pratically no risk involved, it will be a Bank to Bank Transfer, all I need from you is to stand claim as the Original depositor of this funds who made the deposit with my branch so that my head office can order the transfer to your designated Bank account.if you accept to work with me I will appreciate it very much.My private phone number and my email is the above. Call me if you think we can work together so that we can go over the details, Thank you in advance and may God bless.
Yours truly,
Offori Atta.

Re:Proposal for you (4, Funny)

jurt1235 (834677) | more than 9 years ago | (#13091832)

Dear Offori Atta,

It is good to see that you are not one of those Nigerian scammers. It would be great to do this business deal with you. However European banking regulations prohibit me from receiving such an amount at once since the bank has to tell this to the goverment and they will investigate it to see if it is legal or not, taking a lot of time. Can you however deposit it in amounts of $20.000,- per time (like once per 5 minutes). That will not raise any alarms.

Best regards,

Jurt1235

I can see it now... (5, Funny)

Anonymous Coward | more than 9 years ago | (#13091794)

"Hello I am a rich computer businessman! I am in currently in jail for rich money making schemes and have money to make bail but it is being tyied up in mutual funds! To being make bail I must deposit it in your bank account and..."

Takes time (5, Interesting)

Swedentom (670978) | more than 9 years ago | (#13091797)

Scambaiting is a fun hobby, but it takes time and patience. Often, the first few responses from the scammer are made from templates. However, when you start to talk about more specific areas, the man has to write you the emails himself. It's very clear when this happens; the language goes from quite proper and polite to sloppy and personal. To take the thread to this point can take weeks in the worst cases.

Some scammers have also become used to scambaiters, and stop the conversation when you start asking strange things. But it's amazing how far you can get these people to go. Fooling them to travel to another continent and being shown on public webcams is nice.

On the other hand, scambaiting can be rewarding. Getting a picture you requested of the scammer bathing in milk with a goat is pretty priceless! :-D

Re:Takes time (2, Funny)

Juanvaldes (544895) | more than 9 years ago | (#13091888)

okay you can't tease us like that. Put the goat pic up, if you can not host yourself there are plenty of free image hosts out there.

My favourite in baiting. (1)

jd (1658) | more than 9 years ago | (#13092035)

There was one scammer who claimed to be from England, with untold millions in gold bullion. (Well, unless he's the guy who stole it all from Brinks-Matt a decade or so ago, I doubt it...)


Anyways, those of you familiar with a certain Terry Nation science fiction series might enjoy knowing that I had a great time as Kerr Avon, from the Liberator Group.


For those unfamiliar with the series, Kerr Avon had a penchant for trying to walk off with the contents of the Federation banking system - and any others he could access - on several occasions. The episode "Gold" was particularly useful to me for baiting this particular scammer...


(It was also a good test to see if the scammer actually did come from England, as (a) it is absolutely NOT a name anyone there actually has, and (b) it would be recognizable to at least 50% of those over the age of 30.)

Glad to see those scammers are arrested ! (4, Funny)

Arthur B. (806360) | more than 9 years ago | (#13091799)

Dear Ms Slashdot I, for myslef, am the widow of Dr. Muembe from Burundi. My husband was killed by a coalition of rebels, corrupt militaries, 419 scammers and AOL suscribers. He left me with assets over 1,000,000,000,000,000 US$ in a bank in Cape Town. I heard you were a very reliable person an seek your help...

may be the shooting helped? (1)

alarch (830794) | more than 9 years ago | (#13091800)

may be shooting nigerian diplomats to death by victims of this fraud (as actually happened in Prague) helped to resolve the issue but i do not think that even such crimes give an excuse for killing

They are NOT "being caught and punished" (3, Informative)

1u3hr (530656) | more than 9 years ago | (#13091801)

The case in this article is a large-scale bank fraud, not the spam-based crap we all get. "Amaka Anajemba admitted helping her late husband to persuade an employee of a Brazilian bank to transfer millions of dollars into overseas accounts." Additionally, this all happened in 1998. Don't hold your breath for any relief from the 419 spam.

The tables have turned.... (2, Funny)

raehl (609729) | more than 9 years ago | (#13091811)

Looks like the 419 scammers submitted the 419 baiters' website to Slashdot.

Re:The tables have turned.... (1)

barnseyboy (842629) | more than 9 years ago | (#13091839)

its grinding to a halt as we speak!

Dear Guards, (5, Funny)

theheff (894014) | more than 9 years ago | (#13091817)

When they're serving time in their jail cell, be sure to slip them messages like: "Get it up in seconds- for your cellmate Butch!!" "Free keys to YOUR cell!! Limited time offer!!" "Refinance your confiscated home today!!"

please send more guns to Nigeria (-1, Flamebait)

Anonymous Coward | more than 9 years ago | (#13091818)

G.W Bush (The Asshole), please send more guns to Nigeria so those idiots can kill each other faster.
This is a good way to fight spam!

About time... (-1, Offtopic)

John Seminal (698722) | more than 9 years ago | (#13091819)

But what is the correct punishment?? Knowing it is africa, these people are probably looking at sub-human treatment in a prision. Then again, if they are connected with the local judges, it could be a mock trial where they get a slap on the hands and keep most of the money.

In some ways, I kinda laugh when I think people in Nigeria can scam people in the USA out of money. You would not think some spear chucker could outsmart an American. I guess that is where stereotypes distort our image of the world. In my mind, there are three kinds of Africans. The whites in South Africa that are more wealthy than the avarage American. The tribal blacks, aka "spear chuckers" who go hunting for food, and the blacks who live in the cities who I know little about outside of the movie Roots. Too bad for me, if only there were some good books on South Africa. At least Ice Cube gave us Dangerous Ground. Props to him.

And I also think, if I was poor and had nothing, and could trick a rich wealthy fat elephant into giving me money, based on the elephants own greed, it would be a source of pride to do so. A kind of "fuck you" of sorts. What is the saying, about giving a person just enough rope...

That is how I used to think, until one day I saw some papers about money to be released to my mother, from a lawyer in Africa. She said all she needed to do, to collect her international lottery prize was send $20,000 for lawyer fees, to settle releasing the claim to someone from out of the country. Hmmm. She never entered any international lottery. "Shhh..." she told me, "They don't know that".

I got a flashback from a drunken night in high school, where I came home the next morning at noon to find an envolope which said Ed McMahon selected me as a $1,000,000 winner. I smoked so much weed the night before, that is my defense to believing it. I think I blew $120 on subscriptions to 8 different magazines that day.

Anyways, it turned out to be a scam. Luckily, my mother did not send any money. My mother is poor, and it would be horrible to see one poor person rip off another poor person. It takes the Robin Hood out of the story. However, if it was a millionair who lost $20,000 I would say tough shit.

Re:About time... (1)

dustmite (667870) | more than 9 years ago | (#13091870)

"Spear-chuckers"? Most Africans are agrarian (i.e. small-scale farmers), not hunters.

There are plenty of good books about South Africa.

Re:About time... (3, Interesting)

rh2600 (530311) | more than 9 years ago | (#13091955)

Actually it's a shame you gave up so quickly. There is a shit load of literature, documentaries and new media out of Africa (unsuprisingly, it's a massive content, with a massive population), it just takes a smidge of effort.

Perhaps even a visit may help? The three categories you mention are rightly so cliches - there are poor whites in South Africa, and there are corrupt native africans across the content (and vice versa).

It's a complex place, with complex issues, and a complex history. The best we can do is encourage reconciliationa and support what we assess as noble and valid causes - we may not always be right, but we can try.

Re:About time... (1)

Tim Browse (9263) | more than 9 years ago | (#13092000)

You would not think some spear chucker could outsmart an American.

Too...many...jokes...

...must...mock...America.

Re:About time... (3, Funny)

Jamu (852752) | more than 9 years ago | (#13092038)

You would not think some spear chucker could outsmart an American.

Statements like that are immediately disproven when made by an American.

Re:About time... (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 9 years ago | (#13092045)

Not true of South Africa. You do find some billionaires here, eg. Sol Kerzner (Southern Sun Resorts and Casinos), Raymond Ackermann (owner of a large chain of supermarkets), Mark Shuttleworth (Thawte), but the average white (and now black middle class) South African is on par with a lower middle class US resident. The salaries are lower over here, the cost of living is higher, the taxes are 40% on earnings, plus a VAT of 14%, petrol tax, television licence tax, tax on aerial on your burglar alarm system etc. Cars, electronics etc are at least 40% more than in the States. State health is incredibly bad (although used to be one of the best in the world in the 70-80's - first heart transplant etc) most people who want some assurance of proper care need to pay hefty insurance fees (as high as 20% of their income sometimes). Cost of Internet broadband (512k max) access amounts to between 50% and 110% of the salary of the average person see
http://www.hellkom.co.za/ [hellkom.co.za]

Regarding culture this is a backwater too, they maybe have one semi-pathetic symphonic orchestra, there is hardly and theatre, opera etc. Social serurity payouts are very low for most people.
AT present there is also a system of affirmative action excluding younger white males from jobs - who are going abroad, often to the UK or the US.

The whites here are definately not richer than most Americans, unless you only speak of trailer park residents and the homeless in US cities.

Re:About time... (4, Informative)

rooijan (746599) | more than 9 years ago | (#13092075)

I live in South Africa myself, so I can't really recommend any good books on the country, never having had to have read one that gives a visitor's perspective :-)

I can however give you two URL's: the SA Tourism Department's portal to the country : http://www.southafrica.net/ [southafrica.net] and a privately run website which I know little about but appears to have a fair amount of factual data about SA, at least after a cursory examination: http://www.southafrica.com/ [southafrica.com]

Incidentally, there are plenty of poor white people (although many more black ones) in SA, and plenty of middle-income to filthy rich black, indian and coloured people in SA too. That all white people in SA are filthy rich is just not true, and never has been.

Where are they located? (4, Interesting)

riflemann (190895) | more than 9 years ago | (#13091822)

It's rather interesting to see that they were caught in Nigeria. Nowadays it seems that more and more of these scammers are actually based outside Nigeria.

Many of the scammers are based in Amsterdam [theregister.co.uk] and though they might be originally from African nations, the easy access to technology and communications in more modern cities brings them there.

Let's hope that the more modern policing in western countries helps to catch more of these scammers.

--
BB
Travel the world - virtually [googletouring.com]

Re:Where are they located? (1)

Pegasus (13291) | more than 9 years ago | (#13092016)

Outside of Nigeria indeed. I maintain a large email system and while I think I have most of the Nigerian ISPs already in firewall, I now see all of these 419 guys accessing from Ivory Coast. Actually all other types of scam (lottery & co) were accessing from various countries in western Europe.

Heh... (1)

VirtualWolf (159946) | more than 9 years ago | (#13091823)

...that trophy pictures link is Slashdotted already.

It's worse (1)

bersl2 (689221) | more than 9 years ago | (#13091854)

The link says "Trophy Pictures", but the link goes to the "Hall of Shame", which features really god-awful attempts to fake trophy pictures. Oops on submitter.

No fun (4, Insightful)

Anonymous Coward | more than 9 years ago | (#13091837)

... a fun passtime ...

Kids, do not do this at home. These people may seem stupid (at times), but they are full blown criminals and quite probably organized criminals at that. From the 419eater website: "Violence and threats of physical harm may be employed to further pressure victims. In June of 1995, an American was murdered in Lagos, Nigeria, while pursuing a 4-1-9 scam, and numerous other foreign nationals have been reported as missing."

This is not fun. Really.

Re:No fun (1, Interesting)

Anonymous Coward | more than 9 years ago | (#13091878)

What is fun, though, is using their reply address to register for as many porn sites as you can find. The thought of them having to wade through piles of porn spam to find the emails they want from genuine suckers has a certain poetic justice to it....

Re:No fun (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 9 years ago | (#13091918)

Ah yes, the obligatory "don't mess with the scammers" threat post from an AC. What slashdot comments of 419 post could be complete without it?

Guess what? Posts like yours will make us bait , fool and waste scammers' time even more if we get that slightest hint of it being annoying to them.

Sure it's fun. Really.

Re:No fun (1)

alarch (830794) | more than 9 years ago | (#13091954)

it happens other way around too. victims killing nigerian diplomats...

Re:No fun (1)

maxpublic (450413) | more than 9 years ago | (#13091981)

The lesson here is that if you're going to bait the scammer, don't do it in his fucking home town!

Or at the very least, go armed.

Max

Re:No fun (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 9 years ago | (#13092028)

With the dollar holding so much sway and life being so cheap over there, one wonders if it wouldn't be economical to put out contracts on those bastards.

If I was a Nigerian writer director, I might want to make that movie.

A suggested correction (2, Insightful)

jd (1658) | more than 9 years ago | (#13092076)

If you're going to bait scammers, do it from someone else's home (but not that of the scammer's) so that you can't be traced, even if the scammer wanted to and knew how.


Seriously, if scammers tracked down and killed every baiter that came their way, the human population would have halved in the past few years. That hasn't happened, so my guess is that scammers only go after vigilantes who actually get physically in their way, pose an actual threat or who have managed to convince the scammer that there is an actual threat.


If a criminal decides there is actual danger to life and limb, they are probably going to take the path of least resistance, especially if it is in a relatively lawless area or if there is minimal risk to them personally.


On the other hand, if they have absolutely zero idea of where you are in the world, are pretty sure you pose no danger beyond a sanity check, and are not part of some rival gang, then almost any action they take is likely to put themselves in danger for negligable or zero benefit. I doubt many scammers would find that appealing.


If you mess with a scammer involved in an "Organized Crime" gang, all bets are off. There is really no telling what might happen then. However, most scammers are likely loners and spam merchants of equal skill to your typical skript-kiddie. (That is why most such scams are near-identical and obvious to anyone with more than one brain cell. Anyone with a modicum of skill is likely to be rather better at social engineering and much harder to detect.)

Re:No fun (1)

DenDave (700621) | more than 9 years ago | (#13092081)

I would agree that it is a dangerous pastime. Do not underestimate the organized crime behind this. Before you know it, some big unfriendly dude is standing next to your car, and he ain't got a fish on his head.

Is Slashdot now operated by one person? (0, Troll)

Hosiah (849792) | more than 9 years ago | (#13091840)

Every article on the page is posted by Zonk!

*sigh* OK, so it's O.T., but where *could* I post this?

And here's another in need of some JUSTICE. (-1, Offtopic)

Chi2600Admin (900615) | more than 9 years ago | (#13091845)

http://www.protestwarrior.com/newsletters/07_05_05 .php [protestwarrior.com]

This dim bulb has been attending the monthly meetings for the Chicago chapter of 2600 group for about 7-8 months now. He has had some extreme problems with the caveat "nothing illegal should go on at the meetings". Thus, the poor guys who arrange the meeting have had to have words with him, and several of his pothead posse about drinking and doing drugs on-site. Even after SPECIFICALLY being told not to.

After he failed to find kindred souls, and other assorted mental defectives to go down with him, he started getting obnoxious and demanding access to projects being worked on by private groups within the mainstream 2600 setting.

When he politely got told to fuck off, he proceeded to hack his way in. Not to demonstrate he could. Not to show people the various insecurities inherent in their system. Simply so that he could circumvent what he perceived as access "restrictions" on himself.

When called to the carpet, he merely responds with "well if I'd been asked to clean it up, I would have". Patent BS from first to last. Every last problem he's ever caused, he's out the door before any chance is made to inspect the systems and ask for them to be cleaned. Causing more work for the people who own them, and now have to take them out of service for reinstallation.

About this time, it was discovered by the group at large that this idiot damn-near got mobbed off a stage at Defcon 2004 for preaching what he called "Hacktivism" or "Civil Disobedience". Nothing civil about it. It amounted to "Fuck their shit up. Hack their websites. Break their property." And he had to be escorted away by security for his own safety....you could see the feds popping out the cell phones to make the calls.

In short, this "hacktivist" is nothing more than a petulant, willful child. One for whom NOTHING is a barrier, so long as HE gets what HE wants.

He's not an activist. He's not even really an idealist, though he purports to be. He's just another dumb, selfish ass who will eventually wind up in jail.

I wish him copious butt sex....On the receiving end.

It happened to me (4, Insightful)

grumpygrodyguy (603716) | more than 9 years ago | (#13091850)

This happened to me last year. I recieved an e-mail stating that I had won $500,000 in a cash giveaway drawing sponsered by a jobsite that I was a member at. After 5 days of e-mailing and lots of international phonecalls I finally learned that it was a group of nigerians operating out of amsterdam trying to get me to send them a money order. I was totally hooked at first...making long distance calls to switzerland to open a swiss account for my 'winnings', booking plane tickets to Amsterdam, etc.

Luckily I figured the whole thing out in time, I nearly sent them a western union money order for $1200 to cover the 'financial legal fees' involved in processing and transferring the 'winnings' into my back account.

I'll admit that I'm not the sharpest knife in the drawer, but these guys had a pretty convincing and elaborate scheme going. I forwarded all of their contact information to a bank in Amsterdam whose name and letterhead they were using. Hopefully they took action.

Re:It happened to me (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 9 years ago | (#13091933)

I'll admit that I'm not the sharpest knife in the drawer

to say the least.. you are more like a spoon that an equally stupid idiot would try to use as a knife. or something.

Re:It happened to me (2, Insightful)

Tim Browse (9263) | more than 9 years ago | (#13091990)

Remember the scam detection rule - it's pretty simple:

"If it seems too good to be true, it probably is."

Being told by a website that you've randomly won half a million dollars would fall under that category, I think.

Re:It happened to me (1, Funny)

Anonymous Coward | more than 9 years ago | (#13092053)

I should'nt feel to bad, it happens too many intelligent people.

As It happens I am in contact with an organisation which carries out recovery of moneys from these sort of scams. If you are interested send me your details. Infortunately we will require a $200 deposit first to ensure that you are not a time waster. if you send me your bank details I can .....

Hello. (0, Redundant)

Mike Buddha (10734) | more than 9 years ago | (#13091866)

Hello, I am a lawyer representing a 419 scammer that was recently placed under arrest for his alleged actions. My client has a substantial amount of cash in Nigeria and needs your help to move the money out of the country before his trial. We are prepared to give you 10% of the $30 Million US Dollars that my client has stashed away in his various safety deposit boxes. All you have to do is give us your bank's routing number and account information, and we will contact you shortly. Thank you for your assistance,

M. Buddha,
Legal Counselor
Lagos, Nigeria

Another "scam" - Canadian style (3, Informative)

bogaboga (793279) | more than 9 years ago | (#13091873)

I have seen another "scam" this time in Canada. Ads are placed in news papers inviting people to work at home assembling products and stuffing envelopes to earn at least CAD$529.00 (about US$430) weekly. I never believed this at first. They ask you to send a self-addressed envelope to some address. Later on, you are asked to send CAD$29.00 for "materials and more information".

I have heard that once you go for the bait, you are typically asked to send more and more small sums of money for information. But they actually do mail you some documents which can be typically reproduced free at the many government run social centers. The thing is, they never do actually send any useful information till you give up. Remember, you always send a self addressed envelope so they do not lose. As I write this, a colleague tells me a similar ad exists in todays' free Metro news paper! These Canadians - What are they good at?

Re:Another "scam" - Canadian style (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 9 years ago | (#13091902)

What makes you think their Canadian?, so far history has taught us americans are the biggest thiefs walking this earth.. hell you started out as a penal colony

Re:Another "scam" - Canadian style (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 9 years ago | (#13091942)

When responding, at least get your grammar correct. Consider these two sentences you wrote:

1:What makes you think their Canadian?

Should have been:

What makes you think they are Canadian?

2: ...americans are the biggest thiefs walking this...

Should have been:

Americans are the biggest thieves walking this...

After correcting your question, I will attempt to answer it on behalf of the parent: -

I can collaborate the parent's piece. This ad actually exists in the said newspaper. And yes, it's some form of scam.

Re:Another "scam" - Canadian style (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 9 years ago | (#13092027)

corroborate

Re:Another "scam" - Canadian style (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 9 years ago | (#13091997)

that was the aussies

Re:Another "scam" - Canadian style (1)

rodac (580415) | more than 9 years ago | (#13092046)

No, US was a Brittish penal colony, just like Australia.

Australia was second. England started sending convicts over to Australia only after large enough numbers of ex-convicts (==free men) in America started to get opiniated about the "free labor" / "slavery" scheme that the penal colonies actually were and that this "free labor" threatened their own employability.

Again, once Australia had large enough numbers of "free men" as well that also became opiniated about the "free labor" threatening their jobs that the penal system consisted of then they started shipping them to Tassie instead.

US, Australia and Tassie were all originally Brittish penal colonies. Australia once they could not ship convicts to the USD any more. Tassie once they couldnt send them to Australia any more.

Re:Another "scam" - Canadian style (1)

anubi (640541) | more than 9 years ago | (#13092048)

Americans are just as qualified as Outlaws.

Prior to July 4, 1776, all these people we know today as "patriots" were the worst form of Terrorists to the Crown.

Yup, we were among the worst law-breakers on Earth.

Completely dis-respectful of ones who claimed authority over us!

They wouldn't listen.

We had to.

Does History Repeat Itself?

419eater.com's birthday is in September (2, Informative)

Dimensio (311070) | more than 9 years ago | (#13091875)

The website will celebrate two years of baiting scammers this September. No word if there will be a contest this year, as there was last year [iglou.com] (plugging my prize-winning contest entry there), as Shiver is running a Christmas contest (and already has killer entries).

If they're not, you can always get them to join a church [iglou.com] or two [iglou.com] .

Let's not glorify this. (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 9 years ago | (#13091879)

Niger-baiting is no laughing matter.

Re:Let's not glorify this. (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 9 years ago | (#13092057)

Nigger-baiting is fun, though.

I'm a baiter... (2, Funny)

Mori Chu (737710) | more than 9 years ago | (#13091880)

As an interesting aside, fooling these scammers by responding to their emails is a fun passtime for quite a few who call themselves baiters.

I myself have quite a bit of experience at leading these folks on. Yes, I'm quite the master baiter... but I figure they deserve it because they keep jerking me around. They're such wankers!

Re:I'm a baiter... (1)

ratnerstar (609443) | more than 9 years ago | (#13091932)

Well, I'm glad to see that you have the situation in hand.

They aren't all scammers! (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 9 years ago | (#13091906)

It looks like this one had a dream of being a great professional wrestler, only to accidently send a letter to one of those folks at 419eater.

http://members.419eater.com/~homerjfong/wrestlersc ammer.zip [419eater.com]
http://community.webshots.com/album/397026494naLUk e [webshots.com]

Looks like (1)

iphitus (897164) | more than 9 years ago | (#13091914)

The slashdot servers claimed another trophy

Sometimes it is hard to say... (1)

Pecisk (688001) | more than 9 years ago | (#13091923)

Which is worse - get a thousand spam emails or get slashdotted. Ohhh, well...I think for now we won't get answer from 419eater.com guys. :)

Yo0 fail it. (-1, Redundant)

Anonymous Coward | more than 9 years ago | (#13091941)

isn't a lemonade BSD STYLE.' IN THE OpenBSD guys. They

Anyone else... (0, Redundant)

Perryman (882190) | more than 9 years ago | (#13091962)

...getting a 419 file not found error on that last link?

Here is the solution (2, Interesting)

Shadez666 (736779) | more than 9 years ago | (#13091965)

Shut down all connections to Nigeria until they clean up their act.

We do it with spammers and irresponsible ISP's, Why not a country ?

I receive Nigerian mails everytime i sell something locally here in Sweden, their translations are laughable (Drunken babelfish) and i can't believe anybody would fall for it, but people do.

I don't know why but i really feel pure hatred for the people who try to scam me with their rediculous mails, and it insults my intelligence as well.

Where can one turn to do some vigilante stuff on these people ?

Re:Here is the solution (1)

ajs318 (655362) | more than 9 years ago | (#13092054)

What effect do you think cutting off the Internet link to Nigeria would have? These people are based all over the world nowadays, including many in Europe. Many of the spam emails seem to originate from trojanned Windows PCs.

You might try to strike back by bringing down the spam zombie PCs. This will at least make people notice they have a problem. Closing down the botnets will be good for everyone.

Re:Here is the solution (1)

jdonnis (115371) | more than 9 years ago | (#13092064)

Most of my spam originates from the US and promotes US products or services only of interest to Americans.

Cutting off the US from the internet is the solution....

Well, maybe THAT solution isn't thought through. :-)

grammar nazi...sorry (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 9 years ago | (#13091966)

I hate to be a grammar nazi, but passtime [reference.com] is not a word. I believe you meant pastime [reference.com] . I can see why you may have thought it was "passtime," but now you know it's not ;)

Not Even the Young (1)

Emporerx (845349) | more than 9 years ago | (#13091984)

I remember getting one of these letters in my inbox when I was about twelve or thirteen(1992?). I was fooled...
For about half a second.

Even then, I knew it was utter BS. I responded to the guy, letting him think that I was interested in his scheme. While this sucker was waiting for bank information(didn't have) and the like, I was researching(on the net, of course) this sort of thing to see if it was a common scam.

To make a long story short my final response to him included a copy of what I sent to the FBI(including his first mail, full headers) and some more colorful references to his parentage, ancestry, and sexual orientation.(Hey, I was thirteen!)

Re:Not Even the Young (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 9 years ago | (#13092040)

what kind of kid had email in 1992?

The next round of 419 scams (1)

eric76 (679787) | more than 9 years ago | (#13092001)

The next logical step is to represent themselves as 419 scam artists who have received enormous amounts of money from the scams and need to move large amounts of cash out of the country. In return for them transferring the money, say $20,000,000, to your bank account, you will be able to keep 25%.

redundant (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 9 years ago | (#13092012)

http://yro.slashdot.org/article.pl?sid=04/10/27/14 52230&tid=133&tid=111&tid=17 [slashdot.org] Posted by timothy on Wed Oct 27, '04 01:51 PM from the no-really-send-me-the-money dept. trusteR writes "Always in the pursuit to rid the world of 419 scams with new and often very entertaining strategies, the class of 419eater.com have set new records in making scambaiting an entertaining and funny artform. Shipping ANUS laptops, $$$, Death treats, Audio and lots of pictures." This beats the amusement value of a Captain Kirk passport; the scam-baiters here managed to get cash in the mail and get rid of some less-than-perfect hardware.

Just one conviction (1)

brunnock (18853) | more than 9 years ago | (#13092069)

The BBC article is about one case of fraud. There was no mention about other arrests or trials. One of the defendants got a 2 1/2 year prison sentence for a $242 million scam. Compare that with Bernard Ebbers who just got a 25 year prison sentence in the US. I don't see this as a turning point in stopping Nigerian scammers.

i cannot say how happy i am (1)

chrisxkelley (879631) | more than 9 years ago | (#13092080)

i am so glad to see this. my biggest problem with these people are on ebay. if anyone can relate, this might sound familiar:

"Hello, my name is [whatever], and i am buying item for my daughter final year project. it must be shipped right away, the method of payment is money order by western union, blah blah."

these people tear up ebay when it comes to selling high priced items. they caused me so much money in ebay seller fees that i had to demand my money back from ebay. for one instance, i sold my old laptop computer, and it was bought 5+ times by scammers wanting to pay me through western union and ship it to nigeria. it isnt just people in africa doing this, however. as far as the laptop computer goes, i actually recieved a payment in paypal of $500 more than i wanted for the computer. this was in russia, not nigeria. i was skeptical- and that same night, a representative from paypal called my house to tell me that it was fraud.

my point is, it's not just the guys from nigeria that are scammers. you just have to treat every deal carefully. if it looks too good to be true, it most likely is (of course excluding the samples at costco) :)
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