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One Step Away from Changing Daylight Savings Time

timothy posted more than 9 years ago | from the oh-that's-wise dept.

United States 898

An anonymous reader writes "Congressional leaders from both parties have signed off on a proposal that will change daylight savings time in the United States as early as this year. All that is left is a signoff by President Bush. If the proposed solution becomes law, DST will be extended two months, from March to November. With many IT applications relying on accurate time information and many having automatic adjustments for DST, how will the IT world handle this change? And with the proposal reportedly taking effect this year, is there enough time to implement change?"

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Why the IAFC is against the change (4, Insightful)

waynegoode (758645) | more than 9 years ago | (#13118129)

The International Association of Fire Chiefs does not want the change because the new time to switch would not work well with the "check fire alarm batteries when you change your clock" program. That kind of reasoning is ridiculous. Do they really think the US government should set the time for DST changes to suit one group's special program? Talk about special interests.

The purpose of DST is not to remind you when to check your batteries. If it works for that too, fine; but that is something extra, not the reason for DST. Support or oppose the DST change for REAL reasons.

From the article:

For years, the International Association of Fire Chiefs has framed a widespread public information campaign around Daylight Saving Time, reminding people to change the batteries in their smoke and carbon monoxide detectors when they change their clocks. The last weekend in November is too late for the reminder, fire officials say.

This could be a Hallmark event (5, Funny)

nizo (81281) | more than 9 years ago | (#13118266)

This isn't a problem; simply get Hallmark to create yet another holiday. Something catchy like, "Don't burn your house down" day to help people remember to change their batteries (maybe even with a pocket to hold replacement batteries).

Re:This could be a Hallmark event (4, Funny)

robertjw (728654) | more than 9 years ago | (#13118319)

Something catchy like, "Don't burn your house down" day to help people remember to change their batteries

Good idea, except we will need two holidays, one for spring and one for fall. We should name them something similar so people will never remember which is which (like memorial day and labor day). Maybe "Don't burn your house down" day in the spring and "Save your life" day in the fall.

Re:Why the IAFC is against the change (4, Insightful)

s20451 (410424) | more than 9 years ago | (#13118289)

Support or oppose the DST change for REAL reasons.

Here in Canada, the change is being presented as something the Americans are ramming down our throats. Seriously: here's the Toronto Star coverage [thestar.com] .

What kind of a country is this where you can get a knee-jerk reaction against anything by calling it "American-style"? (I'll tell you: it's the kind of country that, 138 years later, still prints their colonial ruler's face on their money.)

Re:Why the IAFC is against the change (5, Funny)

eln (21727) | more than 9 years ago | (#13118320)

The biggest problem with this change is that Daylight Savings Time will now last much longer than Standard Time. Since it would then be DST most of the time, Daylight Savings Time should be renamed "Standard Time." Of course, that leaves the problem with what to call the old "Standard Time." My suggestions are as follows:

- Daylight Wasting Time
- Congress Has Too Much Time on Their Hands Time

Re:Why the IAFC is against the change (2, Informative)

ZorinLynx (31751) | more than 9 years ago | (#13118344)

Smoke detector batteries typically last a few years anyway. I change mine once a year, and the battery still has enough juice in it to run something else for quite a while.

This recommendation should be changed to "Buy a new smoke detector that has long battery life; your old one may not even work properly anymore either. Then change the battery once a year."

-Z

Original Ben Franklin Essay on DST (4, Insightful)

dsginter (104154) | more than 9 years ago | (#13118350)

Daylight Saving [webexhibits.org]

I always post this when the topic comes up. I'm a fan of Franklin and really enjoy reading this.

Re:Why the IAFC is against the change (1)

Pete LaGrange (696064) | more than 9 years ago | (#13118352)

The purpose of DST is not to remind you when to check your batteries. If it works for that too, fine; but that is something extra, not the reason for DST. Support or oppose the DST change for REAL reasons.

The purpose of DST is to give 18th century farmers an extra hour of daylight in the evening during the growing season. It's no longer needed. If we're going to change it, we should do the smart thing and get rid of it.

Billing rates are going up!!!! (4, Interesting)

lecithin (745575) | more than 9 years ago | (#13118131)

It's Y2K all over again. :)

Hopefully the consulting companies will be able to sell the scare and raise the billing rates!

Jobs!!!! Jobs!!!!

How about we have our 'puters set for GMT?

Seriously-Many applications have DST deep in the code. I can see the folks that develop things like the Netbackup scheduler (and others) to be freaking. Didn't they just fix bpsched? (again?)

Re:Billing rates are going up!!!! (1)

fiori (45848) | more than 9 years ago | (#13118263)

How about we have our 'puters set for GMT? This is standard practice if you are required to manage devices across time zones. It does wonders for the admin's sanity. You don't need to know "is it tomorrow or today or yesterday?" and "if the server is five time zones away, what time should it be there?" anymore.

Re:Billing rates are going up!!!! (2, Funny)

sewagemaster (466124) | more than 9 years ago | (#13118290)

It's Y2K all over again. :)
Hopefully the consulting companies will be able to sell the scare and raise the billing rates!
Jobs!!!! Jobs!!!!


This is like rediscoving your erection again. In the beginning there were no problems having one. Then it disappeared, seemingly for good. And suddenly it all came back like saussages at a hotdog stand!

Fix (1, Redundant)

ehaggis (879721) | more than 9 years ago | (#13118136)

Will this fix the /. post delay?

Re:Fix (0, Funny)

Anonymous Coward | more than 9 years ago | (#13118347)

hahaha, whoever the idiot is that marked this redundant should have the dunce cap put on.

Why is this neccesary? (1)

DerekJ212 (867265) | more than 9 years ago | (#13118137)

And this is needed why?

Re:Why is this neccesary? (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 9 years ago | (#13118300)

Because Halliburton has a no-bid contract to fix all the resulting problems?

This is spectacular (4, Interesting)

A Dafa Disciple (876967) | more than 9 years ago | (#13118143)

"How will the IT world handle this change?"

I'll tell you how they'll handle it. They'll handle it the same way they handled Y2K, and that's by offering more jobs for people like me. The increase in demand for employees posessing the special skills needed to fix this problem will subsequently raise the expected salary for software engineers and IT professionals. Under these premises, I'd say this gives us something to toast and look forward to.

I hope that Bush doesn't screw this up by not signing off.

--
I'm not a troll; I'm just a skeptic.

Re:This is spectacular (4, Funny)

ottergoose (770022) | more than 9 years ago | (#13118196)

Next thing you know Bush will make us use a calandar based on how many days it has been since Jesus died. That would be absurd.

Re:This is spectacular (1)

Fyre2012 (762907) | more than 9 years ago | (#13118297)

Not any more absurd than the number of seconds since 1/1/1970

Re:This is spectacular (1)

AuMatar (183847) | more than 9 years ago | (#13118218)

It will help a few engineers, at the expense of the rest of the economy. Instead of spending their money on R&D or productsd, they will instead be forced to hire developers to fiddle with old code for no real gain. In addition, these engineers and others will not be able to produce code and features that would help the buisnesses produce goods and services more effectively. The end result will be millions lost to the economy for no tangible gain. Hoping for this change based on those reasons is special interestism at its worst.

I'd like to see why Congress is even considering making this change. Is there any reason why DST would be altered? What are the gains to doing this? It seems like an utterly useless thing to do.

Re:This is spectacular (1)

Tongo (644233) | more than 9 years ago | (#13118357)

Did you RTFA...on no, of course not, forgot where I was for a second.

The whole point behind DST in recent years is to save energy by not having to have the lights on so early. The article said that it could save something like 100,000 barrels of oil a day.

Re:This is spectacular (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 9 years ago | (#13118267)

I'll tell you how they'll handle it. They'll handle it the same way they handled Y2K, and that's by offering more jobs for people like me.

So, you work for an Indian outsourcing company?

Re:This is spectacular (1)

GigsVT (208848) | more than 9 years ago | (#13118275)

Creating make-work projects doesn't help the economy.

If that were the case, the government might as well pay you to jerk off to porn.

More money moving around doesn't mean value created, when the person paying is artificially forced to pay just to maintain the status quo.

Rollback this. (1, Troll)

Seumas (6865) | more than 9 years ago | (#13118145)

WHY?!

I, for one, like when DST rolls back. I like it to get dark early in the fall. If we're going to have NINE months of daylight savings time, why even have it at all? Just move the clocks ahead forever.

I'm not one of these people who get all excited because the sun stays up longer when I get out of work. I like it to be dark by 5:00pm or 6:00pm. It has a unique feel to it rather than getting off work and still having four or five hours of daylight. And I like having it get light earlier in the morning, rather than later.

The entire point of DST is just retarded. Don't change it. GET RID OF IT. It's 2005. We have these nifty fucking things called ELECTRIC LIGHTS now. You can use them to, like, see when it's dark. It's really fucking amazing.

OH! And I know what else...! Why don't we just stop with the whole seasons thing and make it summer year round! We surely don't need seasons! And let's alter the clocks so that it's actually always some time between 9am and 5pm every hour of the day! Ooh ooh-- and we should get rid of weekends, too. Weekends cut into productivity!

Re:Rollback this. (2, Insightful)

building_970 (890222) | more than 9 years ago | (#13118226)

We have these nifty fucking things called ELECTRIC LIGHTS now. You can use them to, like, see when it's dark. It's really fucking amazing.

We have this nifty concept called "conservativism," or not wasting electricity, money, and natural resources now. That's the point behind DST: using less electricity and benefitting because of it.

Re:Rollback this. (1)

Seumas (6865) | more than 9 years ago | (#13118298)

I'll tell you what - you stop driving your fucking SUV to pick up the kids at school and I'll start reading in the dark.

Re:Rollback this. (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 9 years ago | (#13118245)

We have these nifty fucking things called ELECTRIC LIGHTS now. You can use them to, like, see when it's dark.

but if you don't have to use them, we save energy and money. However, I don't see how moving it to the end of November is going to help. The days are already getting noticable shorter by that time.

Re:Rollback this. (1)

mikeboone (163222) | more than 9 years ago | (#13118254)

If we're going to have NINE months of daylight savings time, why even have it at all? Just move the clocks ahead forever.

Well said. I like DST, so I say we just keep it year-round.

Re:Rollback this. (1)

pmazer (813537) | more than 9 years ago | (#13118271)

Someone's bitter...

Re:Rollback this. (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 9 years ago | (#13118282)

The point of DST is to keep you from turning on those electric lights.

Now if the energy savings from that will off-set the need for new VCRs etc, well somehow I doubt it.

Politicians are stupid.

Re:Rollback this. (1)

blincoln (592401) | more than 9 years ago | (#13118303)

The entire point of DST is just retarded. Don't change it. GET RID OF IT. It's 2005. We have these nifty fucking things called ELECTRIC LIGHTS now. You can use them to, like, see when it's dark. It's really fucking amazing.

No kidding. Maybe I've been having an overly stressful week, but the article summary made me want to go out and kill as many people as possible and impale them on pikes.

We'll see who's springing forward then, won't we? WON'T WE?!?!?!!!!

Re:Rollback this. (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 9 years ago | (#13118308)

"We have these nifty fucking things called ELECTRIC LIGHTS now."

You do realize that is the point of DST? To save power costs resulting from "ELECTRIC LIGHTS"?

Re:Rollback this. (1)

boarder (41071) | more than 9 years ago | (#13118328)

I both agree and disagree with your post.

I am from Indiana, where not having DST was the ONLY smart thing they've done (until next year when they finally make the switch to DST). I moved to Cali a few years ago and can honestly say that DST is an absolutely retarded idea, both in practice and theory. Changing clocks twice a year just causes confusion and no longer helps with saving energy (the original reason for the idea). Also, I think it sucks to leave work at 5pm when it is dark (I use mass transport and skateboarding to the train in the dark isn't safe). Having kids go home from school in the dark isn't safe, either (they'll probably be going TO school in the dark regardless).

On the other hand, though, I love having the extra hours in the day after work. I actually go OUTSIDE and play sports. Yes, I know, exercise is a foreign concept to some /.ers. I played beach volleyball till 8pm and then swam in the ocean for 20 minutes last night... if we stayed on standard time year round, then I couldn't have played so long.

I propose moving everything to summer's time with no time change. Why change for the winter and why change for just 3 months?

Re:Rollback this. (1)

joggle (594025) | more than 9 years ago | (#13118335)

I like it to get dark early in the fall.

Does this give you any practical advantage though? I like doing outdoor activities after work and it really sucks when the day gets an hour shorter. Not everywhere is well lit you know (like open space areas, large city parks, golf courses, etc). Cycling becomes more dangerous after dark as well.

Re:Rollback this. (2, Informative)

rainman_bc (735332) | more than 9 years ago | (#13118349)

We have these nifty fucking things called ELECTRIC LIGHTS now

Thing is, I think the point of this bill is to conserve energy dude...

Use UTC (-1, Troll)

Anonymous Coward | more than 9 years ago | (#13118146)

Just use UTC for everything so you don't have to worry about George W. Bush's misguided attempts to change the calendar.

But just watch. He's going to call this "Freedom Time" so that it passes through Congress like Taco Bell food.

Death to DST (1)

jjhlk (678725) | more than 9 years ago | (#13118152)

Bah, just kill daylight savings instead. I'll just remember that sometimes 7:00 is darker than I might expect at a different time of the year. As it happens, I constantly forget to change my watch.

Re:Death to DST (1)

MikeFM (12491) | more than 9 years ago | (#13118340)

I agree. DST is retarded and has no real benefit.

My own preference (5, Funny)

ZoneGray (168419) | more than 9 years ago | (#13118154)

What I'd prefer is that they passed a law making the hours between 9:00 am and 5:00 pm shorter.

Re:My own preference (1)

yaroze32 (689185) | more than 9 years ago | (#13118185)

I'm with you on that, Good one

DIY (1)

djtripp (468558) | more than 9 years ago | (#13118164)

I know some systems have a ton on clocks, so if it happens, I'm sure someone will figure our how to do it en mass. Ultimately, the responsibility lies with the user.

One word: *groan*. (1)

DuckDuckBOOM! (535473) | more than 9 years ago | (#13118167)

Every server and app I maintain is going to need OS and class library mods. Thanks a lot, guys.

DDB

Nitpickers take note! (1)

Verminator (559609) | more than 9 years ago | (#13118168)

It's Daylight Saving Time.

Can't believe I'm posting this.

They should do away with 24-hour clock (2, Funny)

Anonymous Coward | more than 9 years ago | (#13118172)

US should reaffirm its innovation and move out of the old systems, like the metric one. They should break up the day into 100 hours instead of stupid 24. Potential benefits:

- Easier to calculate amount of hours worked.
- Working 9 to 5 becomes a breeze.
- With minimum wage tied up to the hour everyone could be rich and retire early.

Re:They should do away with 24-hour clock (1)

neuroxmurf (314717) | more than 9 years ago | (#13118191)

I don't know about you, but working from 9/100 to 5/100, and then having 0.04 of a day (57.6 minutes) to rest before I have to go back to work again doesn't sound like a "breeze" to me.

Actually, it sounds a lot like my current schedule... oh, wait....

Re:They should do away with 24-hour clock (4, Funny)

generic-man (33649) | more than 9 years ago | (#13118233)

They should break up the day into 100 hours instead of stupid 24. Potential benefits:
- Working 9 to 5 becomes a breeze.


Are you insane? With a 100 hour day, working "9 to 5" becomes a 96-hour day, equivalent to 23.04 of your Classic American Non-Metric Hours. That's no good.

Re:They should do away with 24-hour clock (1)

rickst13 (723165) | more than 9 years ago | (#13118353)

I'm assuming he meant 9 - 17.

Heck, should we get rid of AM and PM while we are at it? That seems to just cause confusion as well.

I can solve this for $200 an hour (1)

WillAffleckUW (858324) | more than 9 years ago | (#13118174)

now all we have to do is hire lots and lots of programmers to go thru all our code and find the bugs - otherwise civilization will end. ... yawn ...

seriously, anyone ever thought this is all just an elaborate ploy by Sun and Microsoft to force users to upgrade their OS so it will "deal with the DST problem"?

Because right now, nobody seems to be interested in Longhorn or other "new" OS as they have no "killer app".

What better application than one provided by the DC elites at their beck and call?

Software yes, hardware no. (5, Interesting)

fixer007 (851350) | more than 9 years ago | (#13118175)

I don't think it will be a huge deal to patch all of the software out there that relies on this. The main problem will be things like VCRs, TVs, watches and such that change the time for you automatically.

It's nice to see the American government coming up with a solution like this instead of concentrating on and suggesting alternate energies.

Really warms the ol' cockles of the heart.

Re:Software yes, hardware no. (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 9 years ago | (#13118309)

It's nice to see the American government coming up with a solution like this instead of concentrating on and suggesting alternate energies.

Why is it the role of government? Why doesn't some public/private firm develop this and make bajillions of dollars?!? Because most of these energies require more energy to make than they produce. . .

Re:Software yes, hardware no. (1)

The Lynxpro (657990) | more than 9 years ago | (#13118317)

"I don't think it will be a huge deal to patch all of the software out there that relies on this. The main problem will be things like VCRs"

VCRs? Hello, the 21st Century is calling. TiVos and other DVRs won't suffer from this because they access servers that update the times on the units.

A VCR....pffff. :)

Here you go.... www.tivo.com

enough time? (1)

EraserMouseMan (847479) | more than 9 years ago | (#13118177)

Most large mission critical systems already support this sort of thing. And if your mission critical system doesn't, I suppose you could always temporarily fake being in a different time-zone till a permanent solution is developed.

If we're going to change the system... (1)

AlgebraicRing (472402) | more than 9 years ago | (#13118179)

JESUS CHRIST, just get rid of the damn time change completely. While we're at it, let's switch the whole world to be in the same time-zone. Computers do it, why can't people?

Re:If we're going to change the system... (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 9 years ago | (#13118307)


Because half of the world would be on permanent night shift.

First Post (-1, Offtopic)

Anonymous Coward | more than 9 years ago | (#13118180)

I can't believe I posted first!

Yay! Changeover means finally more jobs! (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 9 years ago | (#13118182)

For indians and russians that is!

Just use GMT (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 9 years ago | (#13118183)

Most true "time critical" applications should not be using adjusted time as a rule, and run off GMT, and a 24 hour clock.

Abolish DST (5, Insightful)

Solder Fumes (797270) | more than 9 years ago | (#13118184)

I used to live in a non-DST state. And you know what? It was great, not having to wake up an hour earlier or go to bed an hour earlier, and not have one or two time-keeping devices with the wrong time a month later. It was a real headache this year because I had to travel, and keeping track of time zones is hard enough without worrying about DST.

Heck, I'm not a believer in time zones, either. Let's adopt one time standard and adjust schedules accordingly. I don't need to be tricked into waking up in the morning.

Re:Abolish DST (1)

javaxman (705658) | more than 9 years ago | (#13118288)

Please o god o god o yes. DST is evil, stupid, wrong, lame, and there just aren't enough words for how much of a PITA it is for programmers who have enough of a hard time handling an already screwed-up over-complicated and downright inaccurate time/calendar system.

I don't even want to think about what this means for everyone's VCR/DVD/microwave/coffe pot/etc clocks. Have fun remembering how to set those twice a year, grandma!

Now that you mention it, the time zones are a tad arbitrary, aren't they? If you're aiming for a universal time that the sun rises at, why not have a new time zone every 10 or 30 minutes ?

Hype it! (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 9 years ago | (#13118186)

Let's hype it like Y2K, and we're into another IT boom!

In related news... (0, Troll)

geekzapoppin (829044) | more than 9 years ago | (#13118187)

President Bush plans to sign into law a Presidential order cutting the size of the inch in half in order to compensate for certain physical shortcomings.

So it's all saved now? (1)

jfengel (409917) | more than 9 years ago | (#13118189)

Now going to have more Daylight Savings Time than non-DST. I find that ironic.

Answers (5, Funny)

DanThe1Man (46872) | more than 9 years ago | (#13118193)

Badly. No.

Score yourself at home. How did you do?

The Sun Times is biased (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 9 years ago | (#13118194)

I think they have an inherent conflict of interest on this issue and I don't think they're in a position to comment on this either way.

When in doubt ... (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 9 years ago | (#13118199)

... run in circles, scream, and shout

I know how I'll handle it... (1)

dasdrewid (653176) | more than 9 years ago | (#13118201)

...the same way I've always handled it: by forgetting about it and doing nothing until I show up for work an hour late (well, an hour and fifteen minutes late, more precisely...)

Acutally, that only used to be true. Now that I've got a cell phone that automagically updates it's time from the network, I just set my clocks to it whenever they get a bit or an hour off and forget about the whole damn thing.

Re:I know how I'll handle it... (5, Funny)

F452 (97091) | more than 9 years ago | (#13118334)

Now if there were only a way to automagically delete all occurrences of the word "automagically." What are you: Unfrozen Caveman Lawyer? Does our world frighten and confuse you? Your cell phone updates from the network because of software. There aren't little demons in there doing it.

usa (1, Funny)

sewagemaster (466124) | more than 9 years ago | (#13118203)

since this is a US thing, will the change affect canada as well? (ok, before BC and Ontario become part of the US while Quebec splits off from the rest of Canada? ;)

Re:usa (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 9 years ago | (#13118294)

Damn I wish the US could annex BC. I love Vancouver and would freaking love to live there, but I can't stand the thought of emmigrating to Canada. I'd have to make fun of myself way to much.

What are the consequences? (1)

DaedalusLogic (449896) | more than 9 years ago | (#13118207)

Of just getting rid of it? I'd like to do that. If you aren't going to have it on an equinox, what is the point? Though I understand the latitude bias of the location of our country means that the equinox doesn't really mean we're getting equal sun and darkness at any point in the year.

DST is artifical anyway (0)

nurb432 (527695) | more than 9 years ago | (#13118210)

And isnt needed.

And before you say 'well we save money by turning out the lights earlier in our office'.. you still have 8 hours with the lights on.. Wont matter the time window...

Its all a farce. So what it gets dark earler? It also gets light earlier the next morning.. Sheesh.

Re:DST is artifical anyway (2, Interesting)

AuMatar (183847) | more than 9 years ago | (#13118339)

But earlier in the morning I can't enjoy it- I'm at work. By placing it at the end of the day, I can still have some time out in the sunlight after work ends. There's a lot of activities people enjoy that are difficult to do in the dark. For people with seasonal depression, this is especially important. If you were to kill DST, you'd probably see a raise in people taking depression medication and suicides that year.

Re:DST is artifical anyway (1)

pclminion (145572) | more than 9 years ago | (#13118342)

And before you say 'well we save money by turning out the lights earlier in our office'.. you still have 8 hours with the lights on.. Wont matter the time window...

Except that this moves the time window to include more daylight hours, so you don't need to have your lights on. At least that is the theory.

Personally, I think the clocks should stay constant, and society should shift its working hours according to the season. As winter approaches, people start going to work earlier, so they can come home in the daylight hours. Of course, that's NEVER going to happen.

Canada? Mexico? (1, Insightful)

Anonymous Coward | more than 9 years ago | (#13118211)

What happens to Canada and Mexico? Surely they will have to follow if this is to be effective.

2 things (1)

Leroy_Brown242 (683141) | more than 9 years ago | (#13118223)

Why do we need DST any more? and This is yet another reason to build applications to run off of GMT/UTC.

y2.005k consultant for hire (1)

Jodka (520060) | more than 9 years ago | (#13118224)

After missing out on the money fest the last time around, I'd be a fool not to market myself as a y2.005k consultant this time around.

You might say there is nothing to really worry about here, but all the more reason to sell yourself to clients. If there is no real threat, there is no danger that you will fail.

What about embeded? (1)

ResQuad (243184) | more than 9 years ago | (#13118228)

Yea - Computers getting the change is going to suck - but thats a very easy fix. By that I mean its going to require a patch - but patching is common place so thats nothing new.

What about embeded devices? I have a clock on my wall that automatically adjusts for DST - but if they change when thats going to happen I have to turn off this "feature" and manually adjust my clock. Granted one little clock isnt a big deal - but this is just a small example. Think about all the small devices you have around that tracks time & date (home entertainment?). Most of these items _cant_ be patched.

Dont get me wrong - I think this is a fine idea (screw the children - its population control) - but they need to decide about it now for maybe next year. That way the consumer electonics area has time to sell us new devices with updated clocks (and I'm sure the retail industry will love that).

WAHOOO!!!! (1, Funny)

QuasiEvil (74356) | more than 9 years ago | (#13118231)

Yeah, here goes my karma. Oh well.

WAAAAHHOOOOO!!!! I'm not a morning person, so I don't give a crap if it gets light earlier. I'd rather have more light after work, when I'm actually awake and productive...

Non-morning people unite and rejoice!

OSS vs. Proprietary (1, Flamebait)

RAMMS+EIN (578166) | more than 9 years ago | (#13118232)

I'd be interested to see how quickly and how well this change gets incorporated in open source vs. closed source software.

Linux will be updated faster. (1)

ThinkingInBinary (899485) | more than 9 years ago | (#13118295)

Probably within a week there will be updates to the timezone definition files (/usr/share/zoneinfo/...). Not a big deal for Linux users. But Windows users will probably have to wait for the next semi-millennial patch cycle.

stop fooling with the clocks (1)

wkk2 (808881) | more than 9 years ago | (#13118234)

I wish they would just make DST year round since it doesn't seem to be possible to get rid of DST. Indiana just passed DST. Now I need to move to AZ or HI...

Don't they have a dick to pull... (3, Insightful)

Spencerian (465343) | more than 9 years ago | (#13118246)

...other than mine, without permission?!

This is yet one other sign that we need to shoot lobbyists that approach D.C. as if they were a direct Al Queda attack. This is a crackpot idea that not only screws with all the time-sensitive software (right down to our operating systems and their time zone support) but also fucks with the world agreement on such use of DST.

I'm in Indiana, where we have just approved the use of DST for the majority of the state that never observed it (Arizona and Hawaii are similar holdouts). And NOW some politico-corporate lackey wants to change things just for business...never mind that you aren't saving a damn bit of daylight in November, unless their laws affect the Earth's tilt and orbital position to give us more sun than we're to have at that time.

There's no reason for this...and the cost for changing everything will make the costs of Y2K seem like a pittance. Problem is, I don't know who would profit from it. Once I do find out, I hope they're shot. A lot.

Practicality of DST (1)

AutopsyReport (856852) | more than 9 years ago | (#13118247)

For those (like me) who couldn't figure how DST results in significant energy savings, this Wikipedia explanation [wikipedia.org] should answer your questions.

Daylight Saving Time is a Joke... literally (5, Informative)

dsands1 (183088) | more than 9 years ago | (#13118251)

"Surprisingly enough, daylight-saving time was thought up by Benjamin Franklin, not drunken voters. According to http://webexhibits.org/daylightsaving/ [webexhibits.org] , it seems that one day Benjy got bored and wrote a little something called An Economical Project. It was an essay mostly about "himself, his love of thrift, his scientific papers and his passion for playing chess until the wee hours of the morning then sleeping until midday," and it was meant to be a joke.

However, an Englishman named William Willett (how can you take someone with that name seriously? Come on!) was apparently too dense to realize that Franklin was joking. Therefore, he thought it would be a novel idea to set clocks back for 20 minutes on each Sunday in April, and then turn them back on the Sundays in September. Eventually, daylight-saving time came to be as we now know it."

Taken from here [grinnell.edu]

Sign me up! (1)

KingSkippus (799657) | more than 9 years ago | (#13118276)

I've been [slashdot.org] screaming [blogspot.com] for years and I'll say it again: Daylight Saving Time is a stupid concept that should be done away with as soon as possible.

I hope whoever came up with the idea of pretending that it's an hour earlier than it really is is burning in hell right now, along with those who codified this weird lunacy into law.

I could give you a thousand reasons why it should be eliminated, but here's the most important one to me. Noon has historically been the time, more or less, when the sun is high in the sky. Daylight Savings Time completely does away with that rationale. Now, noon is only defined by what we personally find convenient.

(sigh.)

The lawn chair lobby has way too much power. (1)

rjreb (30733) | more than 9 years ago | (#13118279)

Is no one in Washington willing to stick up for the little guy?

No big deal in *nix (4, Interesting)

TommydCat (791543) | more than 9 years ago | (#13118286)

While doing work for some telecom companies down in Brazil I ran into this because evidently (depending on province) they pass a resolution each year determining when to start DST and when to come off, usually planning around holidays and the whims of people in those positions. They have suggested dates, but they sometimes vary from year to year.

For most *nix systems, look in /usr/share/lib/zoneinfo for zone definition files. If you're lucky (or have Solaris), there's a src directory in there.

You'll find a README file with a reference to a place with updated zone files [nih.gov] .

On the other hand you could try to roll your own like I did for Belo Horizonte and edit the rules in one of the source files (I would think "northamerica" for the US ;)

Do a man zic for more info on compiling and then distributing to other systems.

Oh great... (1)

VMaN (164134) | more than 9 years ago | (#13118292)

So now with the US pushing for dominance in space exploration Bush will be in control of space AND TIME ???

The Reason? (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 9 years ago | (#13118299)

Lobbying from big companies. Procter and Gamble, the owner of brands like Downey fabric softner lobbied hard to get DST extended.

Why? Because P&G also owns charcoal and outdoor grilling brands, and extended DST is good for grilling.

I think this kind of lobbying is retarded, and this shows that nothing is outside the reach of corporations in our government.

This is good... (1)

tricaric (695061) | more than 9 years ago | (#13118301)

...for next April fool's day.

Kill it! (1)

prides_folly (585011) | more than 9 years ago | (#13118305)

For as long as I can remember, people have been forgetting to set their clocks forward and back. It would be pretty funny if DST could be abolished that those people who had their act together would start messing up. Microsoft might be forced to patch Win95.. hehe hmmm.. maybe it's part of their grand plan to get people to upgrade.

It won't be THAT bad for a lot of software. (1)

tgd (2822) | more than 9 years ago | (#13118311)

The libraries that are used to convert times will need vendor patches. If people were doing it themselves, they deserve to have it broken since the rules around where it happens, and when during the year varies around the world.

Most standard libraries doing timezone conversions already need to know the date since daylight savings time needs to be calculated. Those will just need another rule for the US (pre 2006 and post 2006).

This isn't Y2K. Its a total non-issue to the end users and developers of most software.

Shouldn't most time critical IT applications ... (1)

roubles (716740) | more than 9 years ago | (#13118322)

... be using some kind of synchronization protocol like NTP http://www.faqs.org/rfcs/rfc1305.html [faqs.org] ? All you have to do is update the server, and the clients will follow pick up the changes.

This is no where as complex as the y2k problem.

move to arizona (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 9 years ago | (#13118326)

All the computers will have to move to arizona where there is no DST. And I thought there we lots of people heading here now.

Pedantry (1)

ari_j (90255) | more than 9 years ago | (#13118331)

It's Daylight Saving Time. Not "Savings." See Wikipedia for an explanation.

It will be fixed just like any other problem... (1)

MindNumbingOblivion (668443) | more than 9 years ago | (#13118332)

...with a patch.

Then again, maybe it isn't that simple. I'll be the first to admit that I've never worked an enterprise project that required updating for DST, so maybe I'm missing something.

I'd figure it would be based on a calendar function, so it shouldn't be that hard to tell your program to adjust at a different time. What I'd be more worried about is projects that aren't US based not updating for new support of the US DST.

This is why I keep a lot of my applications set to Zulu time and just do conversions. I like doing away with cultural timing practices with regards to technology. My calendar on my blog expresses dates in yyyy.ddd format and only shows time in 24hr cdt because most of my readership is in Alabama. Although the case is definitely there for my still using cultural conventions in my timekeeping practices. Oh well, it's more understandable to most people than seconds since the Unix epoch :-)

Legacy (1)

APE992 (676540) | more than 9 years ago | (#13118336)

Makes us Legacy users get screwed. Not like DOS ever really had a time function, but it's nice being able to keep track of things. Win95 and 98 can probably just be patched, assuming MS kept the source around. And so help me if they don't.

Congressional morons! (1)

Locke2005 (849178) | more than 9 years ago | (#13118338)

When asked how to conserve energy, they passed by increasing the gas taxes, passed by making the CAFE standards apply to all vehicles including SUVs, passed by investing in alternative energy sources, and instead said "I know, let's make Daylight Saving Time apply a few more months out of the year!". I've got a better idea -- instead of fucking with the damn clock, why not encourage employers to let employees work flexible hours, or even change their work schedules in the summer months? That does it, I'm going to use GMT exclusively from now on! It's 20:43 GMT, dammit!

Oh yeah, this will save energy (1)

lorcha (464930) | more than 9 years ago | (#13118341)

Now, instead of running my lights in the afternoon, I can run my central air conditioner, which uses much less energy than a fricking light bulb.
</sarcasm>

I'm not pleased. (1)

mind21_98 (18647) | more than 9 years ago | (#13118343)

So we're going to save 100,000 barrels of oil a day, or ~0.5% of the US daily oil consumption. Considering that 75-90% (depending on source) of our oil use is from transportation, wouldn't it make more sense to mandate a national speed limit or minimum MPG ratings for *all* cars and SUVs? Or at least some other change that would have more of an effect? Quite frankly I'm not pleased with Congress' handling of the issue.

Keeping on topic though, it shouldn't be too hard to keep track. Modern versions of Windows have NTP built in, so the time should remain correct regardless of what the current status of DST is. On Unix/Linux we can edit the timezone files. *shrug*

An Update Perhaps (1)

WAR-Ink (876414) | more than 9 years ago | (#13118346)

Perhaps some sort of sortware update would be in order.

Maybe if we had some kind of global network that manufacturers could send updates directly to end users, it would even speed things up. Arizona might be a problem though. They currently maintain their own timezone.

I could certainly see where changing a 10 to an 11 in Windows code could bring about the downfall of western civilization.

I personally think the whole DST is crap. Who cares if it is light or dark out? I go home in the dark every day. Sun doesn't get it my eyes while I drive. It's nice. This is just another example of tunnel vision in government. "Let's save 100,000 barrels of oil a day by changing what time it is." The side effect being chaos in the streets as Windows blue screens. The alternative being not using oil any more and waving goodbye to the Alaska pipeline. Of course why would Chevron and Exxon want to start producing hydrogen when they have drilling for oil down to a science.

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