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100Mbps Home Internet Service Next Year in Finland

timothy posted about 9 years ago | from the helluva-commute dept.

Networking 313

Listen Up writes "According to an article on CNN, broadband Internet access via cable modems in Finland will be able to hit 100 Mbps as early as 2006. That would be 50 times faster than the average broadband speeds now offered to cable TV homes in Finland. Do you think this technology has the possibility of reaching U.S. shores? Or do you think the already deeply entrenched U.S. politics are going to keep this technology from ever reaching us? There are already thousands and thousands of miles of 'dark fiber' underground around the U.S."

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313 comments

What is the (5, Interesting)

mingot (665080) | about 9 years ago | (#13119183)

What's the upload speed?

Re:What is the (1)

khedron the jester (888418) | about 9 years ago | (#13119203)

isn't it usually ½ the dl speed?

Re:What is the (3, Interesting)

irc.goatse.cx troll (593289) | about 9 years ago | (#13119250)

No, its usually the speed of the line, its just american residential has dicked us around long enough for people to expect it.

When you run a 100mbit line to your office, if you only get 90mbit upstream you complain about the SLA being broken.
When you run a 5mbit line to your house, you're lucky if you get .3mbit up.

Re:What is the (1)

sqrt(2) (786011) | about 9 years ago | (#13119482)

Exactly the problem with charter here in Southern California. 3 mbit/s down 256 kbit/s up :(

They claim it's to stop "home server" use.

Re:What is the (1)

calyptos (752073) | about 9 years ago | (#13119522)

What exactly is wrong with home servers?

Think about it (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 9 years ago | (#13119540)

They rob your ISP of the valuable dollars they can get charging you to use THEIR servers (or charging extra for a "business" connection, i.e., one without crippled upload speeds).

Corporate America wants us to be consumers of information, never producers.

Re:What is the (2, Insightful)

toddbu (748790) | about 9 years ago | (#13119533)

Ok, I really can't believe that I'm defending a cable TV company, but here I go...

Do you really blame them? They pay for bandwidth too, and if you put up a server that everyone wants to hit then that adds to their bandwidth load. They assume that you're not downloading 24x7, but a popular web server can easily be active all the time. So the upload limit makes sense from a pure business/profitability perspective.

Re:What is the (1)

vdub12 (874654) | about 9 years ago | (#13119535)

It has a lot to do with deals that the entertanment cartel has with ISP's to stop P2P. If the ISP's do not do it the entertanment cartel dose not let them use content.

Re:What is the (1)

Goosey (654680) | about 9 years ago | (#13119474)

For me 2MB down, 30KBs up Not so hot in Plano

Re:What is the (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 9 years ago | (#13119443)

It depends on how much bandwith each "channel" gets. Here in Oz, the cable network will use (shared amongst subscribers on the same segment) the full capacity of the cable for d/l, which in my case is anywhere up to 10 meg, but for u/l you only get 1 channel, which turns out to be about 128k. Unless you're serving content, or heavily using VOIP, this is (just) adequate. I'd imagine that to get 100 Mbs, each channel has more bandwidth, so you'd get an increased upload to boot.

Re:What is the (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 9 years ago | (#13119475)

More than enough to post stupid ass videos on video blog websites [vobbo.com] .

Re:What is the upload speed (2, Funny)

Tod DeBie (522956) | about 9 years ago | (#13119498)

300 baud?

Re:What is the upload speed (0, Troll)

Tekzel (593039) | about 9 years ago | (#13119555)

Um no :) 300 baud is roughly equivilent to 300 bits per second (300bps).

300kbps (lower case k) is up on my cable, 300kilo bits per second (not bytes per second, that would be 300k / 8) or approximately 38Kbps, uppercase K).

Motorola is helping Singapore with the same tech (3, Informative)

Stefman (37546) | about 9 years ago | (#13119184)

So I assume that these speeds would be possible if Moto partners with a cable company in the states.

Nice! (4, Interesting)

Sweetdelight (895373) | about 9 years ago | (#13119189)

I wish I lived there..And if the fibre doesn't have Caps, That would sweeten the deal.

Re:Nice! (1)

Triumph The Insult C (586706) | about 9 years ago | (#13119539)

to clarify, they aren't running fiber into the home. they are using the existing CATV infrastructure to do this

i'm not sure what the comment about dark fiber has to do with this unless the cable companies use fiber for distribution (or would in the future)?

Most of them.. (0, Flamebait)

priestx (822223) | about 9 years ago | (#13119190)

From my "observations," pirateers usually come from Europe and a handful come from Finland. What security measures will allow these citizens from not using it for illegal matters?

Re:Most of them.. (1)

rich_r (655226) | about 9 years ago | (#13119256)

Does it matter? I think not!

Re:Most of them.. (1)

kmartshopper (836454) | about 9 years ago | (#13119298)

From my "observations," pirateers usually come from Europe and a handful come from Finland. What security measures will allow these citizens from not using it for illegal matters?
Kind of like asking how you know a politician will truly do his job if you vote for him and not fuck around at his camp more than half the time...

Re:Most of them.. (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 9 years ago | (#13119305)

It's the assumption that high bandwidth is used only for copyright violation and kiddie porn that's likely to keep this out of north america.

The truth is that this level of bandwidth could empower citizens (or at least small companies) to create their own media distribution, circumventing the censorship of the corporate media. While this might include a little porn or copyright violation, the potential for artistic expression and independant news gathering is significant.

Re:Most of them.. (1)

Eric604 (798298) | about 9 years ago | (#13119547)

Exactly. You only said it completly reversed.

Re:Most of them.. (1)

Pop69 (700500) | about 9 years ago | (#13119340)

I would suspect that you don't even know what's legal and what isn't in Finland.

why is this news? (5, Informative)

Anonymous Coward | about 9 years ago | (#13119200)

100Mbps fiber to door was available in Japan since like two years ago; about a year ago in metropolitan areas they even rolled out 1Gbps service. Finland makes the news because...?

Re:why is this news? (1)

Macgyveric (879573) | about 9 years ago | (#13119216)

What else have you heard coming out of Finland recently?

Re:why is this news? (1)

dreadknought (324674) | about 9 years ago | (#13119251)

How about one of the biggest assembly parties in the world, held yearly in a football stadium in Helsinki?

Becuase.... (1, Funny)

d2_m_viant (811261) | about 9 years ago | (#13119277)

....becuase we're talking about people who wear clogs getting more internet sex than US!

Re:Becuase.... (1)

Spad (470073) | about 9 years ago | (#13119380)

Yeah, those Fins are famous for their clogs.

Re:why is this news? (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 9 years ago | (#13119388)

Because its achieving fast transfer speeds on an existing infrastructure?

Re:why is this news? (2, Funny)

temojen (678985) | about 9 years ago | (#13119421)

We're pinin' for the fjords?

Re:why is this news? (1)

ZeldorBlat (107799) | about 9 years ago | (#13119456)

Finland makes the news because the company that developed the equipment is based in Finland...contrary to the article summary which suggests that 100 MBps broadband will be available in Finland.

Although I'd be surprised to see 100 MBps in U.S. homes soon, the article only talks about equipment capable of providing that kind of service -- not about an actual deployment.

I wish people who submit articles to /. actually read them first...

Re:why is this news? (1)

p0rnking (255997) | about 9 years ago | (#13119506)

This is news, because it's 100Mbps over cable ... unless that is, Japan is doing the same, and not over fiber

Re:why is this news? (4, Informative)

timeOday (582209) | about 9 years ago | (#13119520)

Finland makes the news because...?
because it offers the promise of 100 mbps over existing TV cables. That is the key right there, because it means the masses (most of us) might actually benefit.

Of course if you live in a single-broadband-provider city like I do, it's hard to imagine why they'd bother.

4Mbps ought to be enough for everybody (2, Funny)

rmadhuram (525803) | about 9 years ago | (#13119212)

I already get 4Mbps downstream from Time Warner of San Diego and it is plenty!

Re:4Mbps ought to be enough for everybody (1)

superpulpsicle (533373) | about 9 years ago | (#13119284)

For those who truly plan Online games... there is no such thing as plenty. Not to mention the server is always slowed down by that 1 guy on a 56k modem anyways.

Re:4Mbps ought to be enough for everybody (1)

h8mE (748976) | about 9 years ago | (#13119294)

noob!

Re:4Mbps ought to be enough for everybody (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 9 years ago | (#13119331)

Come on... and no one will ever need more than 64K of RAM! Bill Gates said so.

Re:4Mbps ought to be enough for everybody (1)

ssimontis (739660) | about 9 years ago | (#13119342)

Well, you have a little more than me, you are lucky. I have 3.0mbps, but my the real problem is upload. I have never seen an upload speed of over 100kb with my connection, my average upload speed is somewhere between 20-30kbps if I remember correctly. And, Comcast is the only peociswe in my area, so I get to live with it.

Re:4Mbps ought to be enough for everybody (1)

Midnight Thunder (17205) | about 9 years ago | (#13119401)

I already get 4Mbps downstream from Time Warner of San Diego and it is plenty!

Is this something that we can quote you on in 10 years?

Truth is while 5Mbps may be enough now, it certainly won't be in 5 years. If you look at the increasing size of application downloads, the improving quality of video online, games and IP telephony, and maybe even eventually video telephony, and even applications we haven't heard of yet because of bandwith limitations, then 4Mbps is going to be tight.

Possibility of reaching U.S. shores? (5, Funny)

Anonymous Coward | about 9 years ago | (#13119213)

I don't think any cat5e can reach that long.

Dark Fiber (4, Insightful)

BlogPope (886961) | about 9 years ago | (#13119214)

There are already thousands and thousands of miles of 'dark fiber' underground around the U.S."

Dark Fiber as nothing to do with home broadband. if it were between your house and the ISP, you might have something, but its not. The trick is getting high speed connections where Fiber doesn't exist.

Re:Dark Fiber (1)

papasui (567265) | about 9 years ago | (#13119481)

Not to mention the reason it's called dark fiber is that it's not lit. I'm sure it's cost effective to put a fiber termination system in every customers home.

Re:Dark Fiber (4, Informative)

dsginter (104154) | about 9 years ago | (#13119504)

Dark Fiber as nothing to do with home broadband.

Both DSL and cable internet are provided by way of fiber - its just cheaper to convert to another medium for the "last mile". See Comcast's recent dark fiber aquisition [cmcsk.com] .

Completely different scale issues (2, Insightful)

Sv-Manowar (772313) | about 9 years ago | (#13119221)

I think its unfair to compare these kind of rollouts to the US on a general scale. The US is practically the size of europe, and due to the state demarkations has almost the scaling problems that deploying across europe would incur (although the same core infrastructure providers would help somewhat). This isn't to say some providers aren't trying, there's definitely been a push towards fiber services as the next generation by some US providers. As for me, I'm just hoping that the UK gets its act together and starts rolling 8mb+ services out around the country, instead of the current spotty availablity in metro areas.

Re:Completely different scale issues (5, Informative)

EiZei (848645) | about 9 years ago | (#13119460)

FYI Finland is even more sparsely populated than the united states.

Re:Completely different scale issues (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 9 years ago | (#13119466)

In Soviet Russia, 8mb+ services roll out you! (and reports back to RIAA)

You miss a key point. (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 9 years ago | (#13119511)

With all due respect, it is VERY fair to compare these kinds of rollouts with the U.S.

If this type of rollout can be done on a small scale like Finland, we ought to be able to do similar things here in the U.S.. The problem is our beauracracy and political structure. The FCC is actively hindering broadband with their approach. So are the State regulatory agencies.

Or, in short, we just aren't structured to work on a small scale. We could certainly do this if we were.

If broadband is indeed so important to the economy, as many are hyping now, then perhaps it is time to think of new approaches. And Finland is certainly serving as an excellent one.

But personally, I think this Gordian knot of Politics, Beauracracy and Corporate Bribery could all be undone VERY easily if consumers had the right to order dry copper (or fiber) and do with it as they please. We'd see a repeat of the spread of internet connectivity as took place with modems during the early 1990's, but at far higher speeds.

You're asking the wrong question (1)

d2_m_viant (811261) | about 9 years ago | (#13119222)

It's not a matter of the "technology reaching U.S. shores"..becuase everyone knows we already have the technology for this. Existing fibre optic lines have the capacity for ALOT more than what we're currently utilizing. It's got more to do with the cost than anything..

Thank you Timothy (0, Offtopic)

Anonymous Coward | about 9 years ago | (#13119223)

Thank you Timothy for, once again, inserting your personal bias in the fucking article on slashdot. You need to pull your head out of your ass for one second from now on before posting ok? We're smart and form our own opinions. You acting the ass hat just makes us think of you as Michael's Succesor to the title of "Greatest Asshat on the Internet".

Benchmarking (2, Interesting)

hattan (869918) | about 9 years ago | (#13119225)

"Based on our research, 30 megabits per second is the absolute minimum in future homes" I wonder what kind of tests they used to determine that figure.

Re:Benchmarking (2, Insightful)

01000011011101000111 (868998) | about 9 years ago | (#13119318)

Simple... Standard user downloads approximatly one hour of pron per day, encoded in "scrunched" divx = around 400mb then add 600mb of DRM, and you end up with a "user required download" or URD of 1 gig... The average user will complain if a movie that they are paying for takes longer to download than to watch (or at least will do when they're on supposedly "SUPER-FAST-AmazingLine"), so you've got to get it to them in around a hour. 30mbit/sec = approx 300kb/sec actual download = approx 18mb/minute or around 1gb/hour :P Hence 30 megabits is the absolute minimum.

Dark fiber... (4, Funny)

Faust7 (314817) | about 9 years ago | (#13119228)

There are already thousands and thousands of miles of 'dark fiber' underground around the U.S.

So that's where all the dark matter is.

Obligatory Monty Python (2, Funny)

wootest (694923) | about 9 years ago | (#13119231)

Finland, Finland, Finland
The country where I want to be

Re:Obligatory Monty Python (2, Funny)

MindNumbingOblivion (668443) | about 9 years ago | (#13119386)

Look! He's pining!

Re:Obligatory Monty Python (1)

wootest (694923) | about 9 years ago | (#13119464)

But not for the fjords.

Why Not? (0)

drpimp (900837) | about 9 years ago | (#13119233)

If it doesn't, time to move to where they have it or impeach anyone who does not allow it.

With those speeds
- my pr0n will stream faster than ever
- game pings will be -12
- TV over IP (sweet)

Not to mention in that country I can get some meet some l33t hackers.

Re:Why Not? (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 9 years ago | (#13119307)

game pings will be -12

You're trying to be funny, but this is an excellent point: 100 MBps is the bandwidth, and says nothing about the latency.

Us geeks know it's really about the latency [stanford.edu] , but I guess that's too complicated a word for CNN and other mass media. "Speed" sounds simpler, and most people don't understand the difference between bandwidth and latency.

Many of the things I do with cable/DSL today would be better if my network connection had lower latency. Some would be better with more bandwidth. Unfortunately, news reports always use the word "speed" to mean "bandwidth", and ignore latency altogether. So the chances of the latency improving are slim.

And that means this won't be 50x faster for a lot of things, and may in fact be slower for many uses. Aah, progress...

What is the theroretical limit (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 9 years ago | (#13119242)

What is the theroretical limit of cable modems

Re:What is the theroretical limit (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 9 years ago | (#13119393)

the wallet

Bandwidth means porn joke.. (0, Troll)

brxndxn (461473) | about 9 years ago | (#13119243)

Every time there's a Slashdot article about bandwidth, I can't help but want to be the first with the Porn joke.. I mean.. who doesn't think 'Wow.. that's a lot of porn per second (pps) throughput!' when 100mbs bandwidth is going to be offered..

But, then every time I get moderated as troll by those that probby look at porn the most but put on the most professional Slashdot face.

Us nerds need to realize the potential in sex..

Not fully usable, obviously (4, Informative)

Peter Cooper (660482) | about 9 years ago | (#13119255)

Having 100Mbps would be great, but it's not as if you're going to be able to pull files off of some Web server at the full speed. Many busy servers only have 100Mbps connectivity in total themselves.

You might suggest that 100Mbps would be great for BitTorrent and the like, but the flaw is that ISP's backbones and peering arrangements are measured in gigabits, not terabits. Even an OC-48 can only take 24 customers maxing out their bandwidth on this system. A big European ISP like Demon only has 2Gbps going into the LINX.. enough for, wow, 20 customers to max out their bandwidth.

The ratio of guaranteed bandwidth to advertised bandwidth on this offering is crazy. Backbones just aren't there yet.

Re:Not fully usable, obviously (1)

tylernt (581794) | about 9 years ago | (#13119364)

The whole "technology X has lots of bandwidth!" thing is silly anyway. DOCSIS (Cable Modems) go up to 10Mbps. Who has 10Mbps cable? Nobody. You're lucky to get 3Mbps for less than $100 a month. If you want higher speeds, you will pay through the nose.

So, customers buying this "100Mbps" service will probably get 10Mbps tops unless they can pay $1000 a month and have a first-born son to sell.

Re:Not fully usable, obviously (1)

saleenS281 (859657) | about 9 years ago | (#13119428)

actually time warner offers 8Mbps in my area for 70$/month.

Re:Not fully usable, obviously (1)

Xzzy (111297) | about 9 years ago | (#13119477)

Not to mention the snappy upload speeds.. when you pay that $1000 a month, they'll upgrade from 124kbps to 384kbps at no additional charge. WOW!

Re:Not fully usable, obviously (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 9 years ago | (#13119395)

Yes but it would basically mean a large metropolitan ethernetwork. Internet connectivity would be usual but with proper routers and good subnet layouts it would mean awsome connection speeds locally. I think the gamers would appriciate being able to play at LAN speeds with their friends a couple of blocks away.

Re:Not fully usable, obviously (3, Insightful)

Anonymous Coward | about 9 years ago | (#13119409)

enough for, wow, 20 customers to max out their bandwidth.

You assume that all of the content they want is not in Finland.

You assume wrong. There is plenty to see and do, and all you need to make use of it with bittorrent is a number of other people on this service in Finland in the swarm with you. Throw in being able to play your FPS against your local friends while downloading stuff in the background without the latency hit that causes on DSL, and you start seeing where this is going.

You may be right, nobody may ever get 100mbit from any one place, but that extra padding will make sure that everything else they're doing doesn't suffer while they try.

Re:Not fully usable, obviously (1)

timeOday (582209) | about 9 years ago | (#13119546)

Backbones just aren't there yet.
Now you know why they mentioned all that dark fiber in the summary, eh?

Bulking up the backbone is easy. It's the last mile that's hard. It's unwise to worry about the backbone, or allow it to restrict the last mile network.

Re:Not fully usable, obviously (2)

dk.r*nger (460754) | about 9 years ago | (#13119558)

A big European ISP like Demon only has 2Gbps going into the LINX.. enough for, wow, 20 customers to max out their bandwidth.

Yeah, there is a 50 times wider band. This means that those 20 customers will also be finished 50 times faster, freeing up bandwidth for the next batch of 20 customers.

Point: For the same content, nothing changes. Some customers will just have their content served faster. Just because your network is 50 times faster, you're not going to view 50 times more pages on CNN.com.

For new content, well, yes, new servers on new bandwidth will be needed. That's the same story as always.

bandwidth cross borders? (4, Insightful)

Raleel (30913) | about 9 years ago | (#13119260)

Anyone know what Finland has actually has for pipes into the country? 100Mbps is nice, but if you want international content, it might not be such a big deal

Re:bandwidth cross borders? (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 9 years ago | (#13119339)

There's a 10 Gbs line between finland and sweden.

Reaching the US? Countrywide? (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 9 years ago | (#13119262)

"Do you think this technology has the possibility of reaching U.S. shores?"

Yes, but it won't have the same effect. Not trolling, but Finland is the world leader in wireless cell technology, has more phones per capita than any other country on the planet, and like the rest of Europe is way ahead of the US in countrywide technology rollout - mainly because of the dense population spread over here.

So while I can see the US getting 100Mb connections somewhere, Finland and the rest of Europe will always be in a position to roll this stuff out to everyone much, much faster. I can get a 1Mb connection anywhere in the UK at the moment, and a mobile signal over 100% of the country and up to 3 miles out to sea, the US has a long way to go until it can do this countrywide, and to be honest I have (still) find my visits to the US frustrating because my tri-band phone only seems to work in downtown New York or LA...

Meanwhile in japan .... (5, Interesting)

mxpengin (516866) | about 9 years ago | (#13119265)

I have this FTH service in japan since last month and is very nice ... my only complain is that is very hard to get high transmition rates with the service... only if you are using things in japan . The cost is about 80 dollars a month and television services can be used on demand ( for a fee of course ). A link in english to my provider [ocn.ne.jp] .

Footing the Bill. (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 9 years ago | (#13119279)

"Do you think this technology has the possibility of reaching U.S. shores? Or do you think the already deeply entrenched U.S. politics are going to keep this technology from ever reaching us? There are already thousands and thousands of miles of 'dark fiber' underground around the U.S.""

I was going to do a funny remark, but instead I'll ask you the obvious. Who's going to pay whomever takes the risks? YOU and a bunch of your closes friends? You all want the good stuff in life. e.g. movies, music, games, books, and now high-speed broadband. But you all either want someone else to pay for it. e.g. taxpayers, paying customers or you expect some kind of magical fairy to deliver it to you. Either way you don't want the pain and suffering that earning money entails. Nor the pain of seperation when someone says "you have to give me money if you want what I have".

Re:Footing the Bill. (1, Troll)

Dr. Transparent (77005) | about 9 years ago | (#13119336)

Have you been here long, or is this your first run-in with the slashdot hippie crowd?

Don't let it faze you, they're all like this. Best to just ignore them and go on with life. When you confront them they just congregate into a big herd and get even stupider.

Does make trolling pretty fun though.

100Mb/s speed (1)

zuRNall (901421) | about 9 years ago | (#13119300)

having such a fat pipe in finland but slower speeds elsewhere is quite meaningless IMHO. It basically makes the whole country a big LAN. Also it will be interesting to see how they price this service given that internet access is now a commodity and pricing is so aggressive.

Re:100Mb/s speed (3, Interesting)

KarmaMB84 (743001) | about 9 years ago | (#13119492)

A couple dozen infected machines in Finland can now DOS attack multiple internet back bones simultaneously. GREAT.

Re:100Mb/s speed (1)

rbarreira (836272) | about 9 years ago | (#13119500)

So what? Even if there were no other countries with such speeds (which is false), it would be quite good for them...

Re:100Mb/s speed (1)

rbarreira (836272) | about 9 years ago | (#13119518)

Not to mention that you can download from multiple sources... Bah

RMS (-1, Offtopic)

Anonymous Coward | about 9 years ago | (#13119313)

So today at work we're standing around the water cooler discussing things. The talk turns to Richard Stallman, and a coworker dug up an old story from the newspaper and shared it with us.

Apparently in 2000 RMS took a dump in the produce aisle at a local supermarket, then wiped his ass with a head of lettuce. Right in front of everybody. The manager, of course, called the police and when the cops arrived, RMS grabbed a loaf of Italian bread and started swinging it frantically at anybody who got near him, calling them "right wingers" who wanted to "take away his natural rights." They ended up mace-ing him and he spent the night in jail and paid a big fine.

Okay question, who actually supports this guy? I know that RMS has his defenders, can any one of them step forward and explain why a guy like this is worth defending? I'll never understand it.

Re:RMS (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 9 years ago | (#13119470)

LOL link plz.

Re:RMS (1)

saleenS281 (859657) | about 9 years ago | (#13119553)

*disclaimer*
I'm not an RMS fan, nor do I claim to be an expert on his ways.

That said, I do believe people defend him because he has the belief that people are good inside, and that they want to help society, or at least they should. People should contribute to society for the greater good, not personal gain, that's basically his motto from what I gather.

Not only that, he's obviously a software genious to boot.

The problem is the last mile... (5, Informative)

Anonymous Coward | about 9 years ago | (#13119319)

There are already thousands and thousands of miles of 'dark fiber' underground around the U.S.

So what? The problem is not bandwidth in total, it is making the connection to the home to the nearest big fiber point. DSL and cable are popular with ISPs because the cables already go to the customer. Running broadband over a phone line or cable costs next to nothing. The big cost was digging up the street to put in the wire. After that, the operating costs are minimal.

If you go to a big US colocation facility, you will find that a lot of bandwidth is really cheap, because the fiber is already there. If you want a fiber connection to your home, you will have to pay an arm and a leg to put the fiber in the ground.

Wireless ISPs have a big potential advantage since they can avoid the last mile problem.

Finland Finland Finland (0, Redundant)

Jestrzcap (46989) | about 9 years ago | (#13119337)

The country where I quite want to be...

That's what I'm getting _today_. (5, Interesting)

mdn (61636) | about 9 years ago | (#13119351)

Well, not really. But I could be getting it if I wasn't too cheap.

100 MBit Internet access (both ways) is offered to apartment owners in a number of Swedish towns. This costs about 76 USD a month.

As I said before, I'm too cheap to pay for that, so I'm paying for a throttled version (10 MBit/s) of the same service putting me back about 40 USD a month.

The service has been offered for quite a few years by a company called Bredbandsbolaget [bredband.net] . (The site is in a strange foreign language though. Be warned.)

Finland is so slow (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 9 years ago | (#13119362)

I have 100Mbit full duplex here and i have had it for over a year now. The Swedish ISP Bredbandsbolaget has over 300.000 customers that has access to this service, fiber is common here, its the only way to go in the long run. We have it all over fiber, TV, Telephone and Inernet access.

Skeptical (4, Insightful)

WhiteWolf666 (145211) | about 9 years ago | (#13119371)

1. Article says 100 Mbps is 50 times faster than what they have now. Thus, they have 2 Mbps cable.

2. I have 6 Mbps cable. I know people within 20-30 miles of me with 8 or 10 Mbps cable. SBC delivers 3 Mbps dsl, and delivered 6 Mbps to a select few quick enough to jump on the deal.

Does anyone else find it hard to believe that they will leapfrog technologies like that? Or, that even once those companies start selling the equipment (the article, after all, quotes an equipment manufacturer, *not* an ISP) that deployment will be instant?

VDSL, VDSL2, and a whole bunch of alphabet soup DSL types exist *right* now, but we don't see them all over the U.S.

Similarly, many American cable companies have switched much of their equipment to DOCSIS 2.0 stuff, but haven't ramped up the speeds yet (not enough backhaul).

Avaliability of equipment != deployment. Rather than idolizing some vaporware Finish deployment, we should be looking at places like S. Korea and Japan, where they've managed 2 and 3 digit broadband speeds (in Mbps) *now*, not some-time-in-the-oh-so-near-future.

I can pull up 100s of articles from SBC's Project Lightspeed, or Verizon's FIOS. Some of them talk about deploying this stuff nationwide in 2003-2004.

But do I have 100 Mbps internet yet? No.

This is a non-article. A fluff piece by an equipment manufacturer. I want to hear more about actual deployments (and they do exist), not about some companies wishful thinking.

Very true (1)

Robotron23 (832528) | about 9 years ago | (#13119516)

This gentleman speaks the truth! Mod up.

I'm curious as to the mass market appeal this technology possesses. I mean one need have around 5 or 6 Mbps to get an ultra low (>20) ping in game servers reasonably close to home. Also, one can get songs off of iTunes often in under a minute with just a 2 Mbps connection.

Then again, regardless of the blistering speeds this technology (if it ever arrives on Oceanic shores) it will be marketed like crazy. When broadband became seriously commercial in about 2000 the prices were high. Now however, you can get a 1/2 Mbp connection for a fractional amount above your standard 56k connection.

Thus, our current 1/2 - 6Mbps connections could be rendered seemingly obselete by marketers, thus allowing telecommunication companys to make some good cash off of high charges for 50, 80, 100, 200 Mbp connections, a repeat of 2000-2004. It should be profitable, as Joe Sixpack isn't going to be downloading stuff from bittorrent all day long at max speeds...only your niche market geeks would partake in that.

But yeah, as the parent said, this topic is wishful thinking by some anomymous manufacturer. Its not quite hit the "flying car" speculation yet, but its almost certain 100Mbps is quite a long way off anyhow.

Re:Skeptical (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 9 years ago | (#13119557)

The article states (tho not in the headline) that it's 50 times the average internet (broadband?) connection.

Wankers! (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 9 years ago | (#13119382)

Obviously the demand for broadband porn is a lot higher in Finland than it is in the US...

Always first... (1)

ylikone (589264) | about 9 years ago | (#13119387)

in cell phone technology/prolification and sauna's. Now internet access. /has visited Finland 3 times in my life... parents were both born there

almost forgot (1)

ylikone (589264) | about 9 years ago | (#13119407)

first in producing top-quality free OS (via Linus but anyways)

Bredbands Bolaget (1, Informative)

Anonymous Coward | about 9 years ago | (#13119404)

Well i have a 100Mbit connection, with full duplex mind you. It's great i can transfer stuff from my friends with about 10 Mb per second, a DVD wont take long hehe. I have had it for two years now and it works like a charm, so we in Sweden were first to roll out 100 Mbit fullscale in the network and did I say that my ISP Bredbands bolaget ROCKS!!!
(http://www.bredbandsbolaget.se/ [bredbandsbolaget.se]

Re:Bredbands Bolaget (1)

rbarreira (836272) | about 9 years ago | (#13119542)

Geez, transferring a DVD in about 8 minutes...

Anyway, it's a good thing that you guys have such connections... With dc++ [sf.net] I often download from swedish people at very high speeds, even though my upload speed sucks (I'm in Portugal). One can almost feel the hard drive melting ;)

TW Cable (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 9 years ago | (#13119420)

I work for Time Warner Cable and we already offer direct access fiber (100+Mbit/sec) and dedicated access coax (40Mbit/sec). Sure we have the technology but your gonna pay for it. Why would a company offer you 100Mbit for $49.99/mon when they can charge you $2500/mon for it? I don't see it happening anytime soon.

Not a chance (1)

papasui (567265) | about 9 years ago | (#13119441)

There's no way this going to be widespread in one year, it's at least 3 years out if anyone decides to really adopt it. It would require completly abandoning existing CMTS systems (Cable modem termination system) and adopting and entirely different technology. Docsis 3.0 is the future of cable, this could possibly get some use as a secondary system for businesses where a fiber build isn't possible but not as a replacement to current cable modems. Hell the support contracts alone will likely take several years to expire for current MSOs. IACNE (I am a cable network engineer).

Re:Not a chance (1)

papasui (567265) | about 9 years ago | (#13119463)

Sorry to respond to myself but I should have added in my previous comment that I'm refering to this technology being adopted in the USA.

100mbit is here (2, Informative)

isecore (132059) | about 9 years ago | (#13119483)

Here in Sweden one of the biggest ISP's (called Bredbandsbolaget or "The Broadband Company" in English) have been offering 100mbits Internet for the better part of a year now.

Admittedly it's only to their fiber/LAN-customers (which I am a part of) and with a traffic cap at 300GB/month as well as a rather hefty pricetag of approx US$113/month.

But it's available to the crazies who want it.

HAHAHAAH (0, Offtopic)

JeiFuRi (888436) | about 9 years ago | (#13119493)

Go to news.google.com and look under the first image, it says 365gay! LOL. Yeah, I just HAD to point that out to someone hahah.

forgot about long island (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 9 years ago | (#13119517)

Cablevision also announced this. Here on long island, ny

In Japan... (1)

hawado (762018) | about 9 years ago | (#13119543)

100Mbit is common in homes. Although i am limeted by my distance from the main, I still see 80 - 90 MBit up and down using Bit Torrent.
And wow, Googles home page opens so much quicker.
I do like it as I can watch Atom films and news broadcasts nice and quick.
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