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Riot Control Ray-Gun for Use in Iraq

samzenpus posted more than 9 years ago | from the not-just-for-popcorn dept.

Technology 1317

team99parody writes "An 'Active Denial System' weapon that 'fires a 95GHz microwave beam at rioters to cause heating and intolerable pain in less than five seconds' is scheduled for service in Iraq in 2006 according to CNET and the print version of New Scientist. It was recently tested on people playing the part of rioters at Kirtland Air Force Base in New Mexico where they asked the subjects to remove glass and contact lenses to protect their eyes. Hopefully real rioters will get the same courtesy. Police and the Marines are working on portable versions. Sandia Labs also has a nice writeup on this system with pictures of smaller versions of the weapon."

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Coming to America (5, Insightful)

nokilli (759129) | more than 9 years ago | (#13121439)

It's only logical. Our right to peaceably assemble is in the process of being eviscerated, which means that future efforts on the part of the citizenry to protest the increasingly hateful policies of this government will become more and more confrontational, and which in turn sees the government resorting to ever more punitive policies in response.

Prediction: the ray-gun is on the streets in America in time for the 2008 Republican National Convention.

I can't wait to hear what they consider to be acceptable levels of casualties as the result of using this thing on people.

The thing I regret most in this life is that of all the science fiction movies I loved watching as I grew up, Soylent Green [imdb.com] ends up being the one that most closely depicts the future.

(I'd rather take my chances on the Nostromo.)
--
Why didn't you know? [tinyurl.com]

Re:Coming to America (-1, Flamebait)

Anonymous Coward | more than 9 years ago | (#13121482)

casualties? wtf are you talking about, you douche. and peaceful assembly? again wtf, you douche.

Re:Coming to America (2, Insightful)

grumpygrodyguy (603716) | more than 9 years ago | (#13121494)

casualties? wtf are you talking about, you douche. and peaceful assembly? again wtf, you douche.

Sad to see trolls like this proving the grandparent right.

Re:Coming to America (2, Insightful)

Tezkah (771144) | more than 9 years ago | (#13121528)

Proving the grandparent right? The grandparent pastes a link at the end of every post comparing the draconian drug policies of the US to the holocaust.

A post who compares the death of 11 million + pepole based on their religion to laws that are stupid yet put in place by a democracy is now telling me that ray guns are coming to take away our political rights?

Forgive me if I'm a little cynical toward the grandparent.

Re:Coming to America (2, Interesting)

Anonymous Coward | more than 9 years ago | (#13121551)

How many millions of people need to die from our drug policy before we do get to compare it to the Holocaust, in your opinion?

(BTW Genius, Nazi Germany was a democracy too.)

Re:Coming to America (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 9 years ago | (#13121651)

The Holocaust is not a pawn in your game of political chess.

Mostly, I really just take offense to you pasting it at the end of your sig. I agree that America's drug laws are stupid, and if you would have placed a link in your sig I wouldn't care, but since you have a need to paste it on every post, it pisses me off.

If you want the laws changed do something besides karma whoring on slashdot about it. You still have the right to vote and your country isn't run by a dictator.

Re:Coming to America (1)

einstienbc (825770) | more than 9 years ago | (#13121569)

Hrm... But what if I were to wear a grounded Mylar suit?

Re:Coming to America (2, Interesting)

name773 (696972) | more than 9 years ago | (#13121616)

or a material that's reflective at 95ghz
with goggles that filter it of course (can they make those? i've seen them for lasers, but idk if that's possible in this range)

also of interest, it only penetrates 1/64 of an inch or .397mm, so you could wear something that absorbs it, but that might get a little warm (although it says they don't leave the emitter on too long so nobody recieves permanent damage)

Re:Coming to America (5, Insightful)

Anonymous Coward | more than 9 years ago | (#13121609)

put in place by a democracy
Well, Nazi Germany started out as a representative democracy, too.

But I didn't realize we were supposed to give people a hard time about their sigs.

The fact is, crap like this is bad. I don't care how violent a small minority of Iraqis are. There is no sense in burning them and giving them cancer just for being in a crowd.

And yes, if it were applied domestically, crap like this would be just as bad. The grandparent raises a good point. Recent attitudes of law enforcement towards political protesters post Patriot Act have been alarming. Add this "ray gun" crap, and you've got something bad.

Maybe the grandparent shouldn't have singled out the RNC '08 convention, (would that offend you less?) but he is definitely right.

In my opinion, anyone who sees a distinction between using this in Iraq and using it in the USA is extremely ignorant, naive, or worse. People are people, regardless of nationality. There are a few bad apples in Iraq but the majority are normal people like you or me. Something like this has far too much potential for misuse.

mod these trolls down. (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 9 years ago | (#13121615)

These two guys are flaming each other about the war on drugs and nazis, which has absolutely nothing to do with TFA.

Why the heck are mods modding this flame-war up!?! Please mode down the parent (and the other guy).

Re:mod these trolls down. (5, Funny)

grumpygrodyguy (603716) | more than 9 years ago | (#13121635)

Why the heck are mods modding this flame-war up!?!

What could be more on-topic than a flame-war?

Re:Coming to America (1)

kfg (145172) | more than 9 years ago | (#13121634)

A post who compares the death of 11 million + pepole based on their religion to laws that are stupid. . .

You're not Shinto, are you? It's a hemp worshiping religion. Mary Jane incense, dude. Banned under martial law by an occupying "democracy" promoting noninterference in religous practices. People have been incarcerated and even died over it.

. . .yet put in place by a democracy

I don't recall voting on the issue. They did in California. The republic takes issue with democracy, as, I believe, it should, so long as that issue is directly invoked by the Constitution.

The Constitution protects possession.

KFG

KFG

Re:Coming to America (-1, Flamebait)

freedom_india (780002) | more than 9 years ago | (#13121562)

WILL NOT be used in US.

Ray-gun to boil others blood is used against Aliens, Gitmo enemy combatants, afghans, somalis and iraqis, not to mention future chinese citizens (china Wars).

american citizens are ALWAYS above other Aliens and as such enjoy a higher order in hierarchy and food chain.

Re:Coming to America (4, Insightful)

iamdrscience (541136) | more than 9 years ago | (#13121565)

Our right to peaceably assemble is in the process of being eviscerated,
Since when are riots considered peaceable assembly? This thing is designed, like teargas, beanbag guns, rubber bullets, etc. to disperse riots. Now I'm not saying that that's all they'll be used for, certainly there are instances where the line is grey and the police in charge of these devices have inappropriately chosen to use them, but there is a valid reason for them to be developed.

I'm glad that devices like these exist because as much as it's important for people to peaceably assemble, if a mob of people gets rowdy and starts destroying peoples' property en masse, they have abused their right and ought to be dispersed.

Re:Coming to America (0, Troll)

SirSlud (67381) | more than 9 years ago | (#13121610)

I still find it amusing that people from a country based on taking over land from other people, and then repelling the original colonialists by force has the gall to claim that violence is never right.

You wanna enforce property rights? Give the land back to the original owners, or shut the fuck up.

Re:Coming to America (5, Insightful)

nokilli (759129) | more than 9 years ago | (#13121622)

Absent the trend in placing new and more onerous restrictions on where, when and how many people are allowed to peaceably assemble, I might agree with you.

Re:Coming to America (2, Insightful)

Velox_SwiftFox (57902) | more than 9 years ago | (#13121663)

Okay, our traditional liberty as Americans patriots to assemble for the purposes of riot and pillage is in the process of being eviscerated.

Right... I'm sure that's it (1)

ShimmyShimmy (692324) | more than 9 years ago | (#13121587)

Yeah, that's right, I'm sure they're using this to break apart people that are peacefully assembling. It's definitley the long-term goal of the government (particularly in America) so slowly restrict our rights and take over our lives with their hateful policies. And it's just the Republicans too. If it wasn't for them, there would be no evil people in the world. Ever.

Dumbass

Those utah boys are going to make a killing (1)

winescout (901477) | more than 9 years ago | (#13121602)

Looks like those Utah boys are going to make a killing selling there air conditioners in Iraq. Conspiracy?

Re:Coming to America (1)

antiMStroll (664213) | more than 9 years ago | (#13121605)

"The thing I regret most in this life is that of all the science fiction movies I loved watching as I grew up, Soylent Green ends up being the one that most closely depicts the future."

My vote goes to Robocop.

Who needs a Microwave? (1)

lecithin (745575) | more than 9 years ago | (#13121444)

This just brings me back to the old USMC days:

A-10 A-10 flying high
drop that napalm from the sky.
See those kids by the river,
drop some napalm watch them quiver.
Napalm it sticks to kids!
Sticks to kids in the orphanage!
See those kids by the lake,
drop some napalm watch them bake.
Napalm it sticks to kids!
Sticks to kids in the orphanage!
See those kids in the hut,
shove some napalm up their butt!
Napalm it sticks to kids!
Sticks to kids in the orphanage!

Re:Who needs a Microwave? (1)

PakProtector (115173) | more than 9 years ago | (#13121487)

The count on that Cadence Call is off a little.

Re:Who needs a Microwave? (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 9 years ago | (#13121548)

Of course, it's USMC. The Army gets its meter right.

Re:Who needs a Microwave? (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 9 years ago | (#13121490)

I was thinking more along the lines of acid through a fire hose. Why all the pre-tense of technology, when this is plain old torture? Bush can go fuck himself for allowing this on his watch. Not that he seems to be looking. I guess he'll enjoy his coming month off in Texas. Pre-lude to another disaster. Bush: Making America's soldiers into terrorists, one day at a time.

Re:Who needs a Microwave? (1)

cerebis (560975) | more than 9 years ago | (#13121492)

Heh, so you jogged in formation to that chant? At least their upfront about mentally preparing soldiers for commiting potential future atrocities.

Meter? (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 9 years ago | (#13121593)

Could you provide me with the rythm and meter for this nice little ditty?

Napalm is not used anymore (2, Insightful)

jeti (105266) | more than 9 years ago | (#13121647)

Napalm is not used anymore by the US. It has too much of a bad name going with it. Instead, the US uses Mk-77 incendiary bombs. These contain a mixture with kerosene instead of gasoline. Works as well though.

To my knowlege, the Mk-77 has not been used inside the US. But apparently 500 of them were used by the marines in the last gulf war.

Please get your facts straight.

So... (4, Funny)

einstienbc (825770) | more than 9 years ago | (#13121445)

Wheres mine?

Not just funny. (1)

team99parody (880782) | more than 9 years ago | (#13121495)

It's an interesting question... If this stuff is so harmless, it might be a fun project to build. Think of the uses:
  • Neighbor's dog won't dig up my yard anymore.
  • If I pulse the device, I could set wireless-networking records with that much power.
  • And hey... the 2nd ammendment surely must apply to these, right? They sound safer than a '38.

Re:Not just funny. (1)

einstienbc (825770) | more than 9 years ago | (#13121527)

Just a little modding to make it 2.4GHz. In the mean time, just think of a huge array of pringles cans...

FP (0, Troll)

napalmsandwich (900537) | more than 9 years ago | (#13121446)

GNAA CLAIMS THIS THREAD

' and and ' they are at it again. (-1, Troll)

Anonymous Coward | more than 9 years ago | (#13121450)

basic editting of text would be nice.

Curtesy? (1)

BancBoy (578080) | more than 9 years ago | (#13121453)

That sounds a bit.....dirteh.

Health implications (5, Insightful)

JemVai777 (411658) | more than 9 years ago | (#13121456)

I Wonder whether its usage can contribute to cancer down the track?

Re:Health implications (3, Insightful)

DanMc (623041) | more than 9 years ago | (#13121517)

I wouldn't worry about it... US gunfire and air strikes are more likely to kill you than cancer.

Re:Health implications (1)

Frabjosity (901149) | more than 9 years ago | (#13121518)

I can see it now: "So we decided to use the ray gun on this group of rioting lab rats. Their lawyers sued us."

Re:Health implications (5, Funny)

Tezkah (771144) | more than 9 years ago | (#13121553)

I Wonder whether its usage can contribute to cancer down the track

... only if you use it to light your cigarette. =)

Re:Health implications (2, Funny)

Anonymous Coward | more than 9 years ago | (#13121583)

Luckily, the ray gun comes with warning label. "May cause cancer or even death." And the operator gets a radiation shield.

Talked about earlier... (1)

gcnaddict (841664) | more than 9 years ago | (#13121462)

Ive heard of this earlier (a guant satellite dish which uses mwaves to burn 1/64th of the skin... I think it was discussed on ABC about 3 years ago) Its not a bad concept but now that I think about it, it will likely trigger some sort of massive health crisis once everyone in Iraq gets cancer from this thing :( I think its too inhumane for use.

Re:Talked about earlier... (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 9 years ago | (#13121500)

And where is scientific research proving that non-ionizing electromagnetic waves cause cancer?

Re:Talked about earlier... (1)

gcnaddict (841664) | more than 9 years ago | (#13121512)

Im going by the fact that there is some skin which is being burned and generally, EM burns (UV rays, microwaves, anything which burns the skin via light) can lead to cancer :P

Re:Talked about earlier... (2, Insightful)

Mahou (873114) | more than 9 years ago | (#13121538)

so the government has created a sunburn gun and people are complaining about it. i guess they'd reather that they shoot the crowds with live ammo?

Re:Talked about earlier... (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 9 years ago | (#13121580)

>so the government has created a sunburn gun and people are complaining about it. i guess they'd reather that they shoot the crowds with live ammo?

Live ammo? Well, Captain Strawman, (or should I just call you the Right Honorable Jackass?) rubber bullets seem to work pretty damn well, and although they can kill you their usual effect is something which heals up in a few days, rather than letting you rot from the inside out for the remaining years of your life. Nice way to phrase it, too. "Sunburn gun" Why that sounds mighty pleasant, except that microwaves penetrate surfaces, burning you from the inside.
You, sir, are an ass.

Re:Talked about earlier... (1)

Mahou (873114) | more than 9 years ago | (#13121633)

burning you from the inside? no. i think you've heard the tanning salon myth too many times

Re:Talked about earlier... (1)

MemoryAid (675811) | more than 9 years ago | (#13121582)

After reading this post, I'm glad I waded through all the previous posts of people complaining about this weapon as if it were inhumane not to kill rioters.

I will just tell myself that this (the majority of prior posts) is just the knee-jerk reaction to hearing of any new weapons. I'm sure If I check back after thoughtful discourse has developed, there will be more people in favor of non-lethal weapons.

...but I won't hold my breath.

Re:Talked about earlier... (1)

gcnaddict (841664) | more than 9 years ago | (#13121614)

but the point is that this is lethal for about 25% of the people hit by it for more than five seconds. they will likely die a slow and painful death later in their lives from a disease which usually is caused by factories, the sun, and nuclear powerplants, not by the government.

Re:Talked about earlier... (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 9 years ago | (#13121608)

rather not reather. too much radiation exposure i guess

Re:Talked about earlier... (5, Interesting)

Rei (128717) | more than 9 years ago | (#13121646)

No, they'd rather people not shoot protesting crowds. If the crowds are using lethal force or threatening the position of our troops, our troops will use lethal force back with or without our magic ray gun.

Seriously, from a practical standpoint, what will happen the first time we fire this thing into. say, one of al-Sadr's regular 10k+ angry-mob protests? Everyone with glasses risks going blind; everyone with metal on them gets burns. Everyone with a pacemaker risks getting their heart stopped. It'd be almost a guaranteed new Sadrist revolt, plus easily increasing other Shia and widespread Sunni insurgency recruiting, while not killing any insurgents. Of course, the effects don't apply just to the crowd; beams keep on going.

But lets take this further than the obvious anger that the US using some sci-fi style technology on a country that has no ability to resist it would inspire. Everyone who gets cancer within a few months of such a usage within half a dozen blocks of the site will blame it on the US's new "pain-ray". Everyone who miscarries? The same. Everyone who gets a headache, who has a heart attach, who comes down with a nasty disease... it'll all get blamed on the device.

Strategically, this is an awful decision.

Re:Talked about earlier... (1)

name773 (696972) | more than 9 years ago | (#13121661)

i'd be most worried about what it does to your eyes, apparently not much if you don't have contacts/glasses on since they didn't really mention it.

I want this on my car (2)

Hackyourmacaroni (718792) | more than 9 years ago | (#13121466)

Man, I want this on my car sooooo bad. Cop comes up on your ass and BAM! he has to pull over and ice down. so many practical uses for this another one: seriously messing with your neighbors "is it hot in here or is it me?"

"non" lethal? (5, Interesting)

Anonymous Coward | more than 9 years ago | (#13121471)

  • Interesting that they focus on the non-lethal aspect. I'd suspect the military would also be interested on whether you could turn up the power a bit, and you have a lethal ray gun that can hit lots of people at once.
  • Wonder if the volunteers of which the article speaks were found in a similar way that earlier human radiation 'volunteers' [doe.gov] were found.
  • Wonder if making people feel like they're being burned alive counts as torture?

Re:"non" lethal? (1)

einstienbc (825770) | more than 9 years ago | (#13121499)

OOh maybe vaporize people like War of the Worlds?

Re:"non" lethal? (1)

BeesTea (580793) | more than 9 years ago | (#13121516)

* Wonder if making people feel like they're being burned alive counts as torture?

If making people feel like they're suffocating [wikipedia.org] doesn't count, I can't see why burning would.

So... (0, Flamebait)

xlr8ed (726203) | more than 9 years ago | (#13121476)

do they run Linux??? Or is something like this only ran by a M$ OS??

Better than teargas? (2, Insightful)

robpoe (578975) | more than 9 years ago | (#13121477)

I hope that it might be a little more humane than lobbing teargas at someone.

Of course, someone will sue the inventor, the user, his boss, the bosses boss, the company, the government and some guy named Joe - because their cousin's niece's daughter's friend's cat got nuked by that thing...

This WILL cause lots of nice CANCER. (0)

ATH500 (872417) | more than 9 years ago | (#13121493)

Think about what that crap does to BRAIN CELLS.

Re:This WILL cause lots of nice CANCER. (1)

jlseagull (106472) | more than 9 years ago | (#13121542)

Nothing. The penetration depth is next to nothing, and 95GHz is too low of an energy to cause mutations.

Re:This WILL cause lots of nice CANCER. (1)

MoneyT (548795) | more than 9 years ago | (#13121588)

EVERYTHING will cause cancer.

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Zap'em, zap'em good (1)

slashb0t (441845) | more than 9 years ago | (#13121507)

Hopefully real rioters will get the same curtesy.

Yeah, right. As if the Iraqi savages have glasses and contact lenses in the first place.

Wow this is stupid (4, Insightful)

vectorian798 (792613) | more than 9 years ago | (#13121510)

But New Scientist magazine reported Wednesday that during tests carried out at Kirtland Air Force Base in New Mexico, participants playing the part of rioters were told to remove glasses and contact lenses to protect their eyes. In another test they were also told to remove metal objects such as coins from their clothing to prevent local hot spots from developing on their skin.

In real life obviously there are going to be people wearing lenses or carrying metal objects so what gives???

Is Iraq just the guinea pig for our experiments now?

While I certainly support non-lethal weapons in use of riot dispersion, this does not seem safe at all (and certainly, I do not want to be aimed at with microwaves!)

Re:Wow this is stupid (1)

uncqual (836337) | more than 9 years ago | (#13121572)

Just thinking about its possible effect on certain body piercing (well, the jewelry in same) makes my skin crawl.

Make some money (1)

slashflood (697891) | more than 9 years ago | (#13121511)


Sometimes I have the feeling that those weapons are just invented to give some government funding to weapon manufacturers, but thats only me.

Microwaves as weapon against people? What's wrong with those people who are involved in the development? Never heard of cancer?

I don't know, but something's completely messed up with the world.

Re:Make some money (2, Informative)

partipilo (592534) | more than 9 years ago | (#13121559)

Technically microwaves consist of non-ionizing radiation, will not have cumulative effects, and in low doses are reasonably safe. I've defeated the safety interlocks on an old microwave and run it with the door open. The energy dissipates quite quickly with distance.

Re:Make some money (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 9 years ago | (#13121654)

Technically microwaves consist of non-ionizing radiation, will not have cumulative effects, and in low doses are reasonably safe. I've defeated the safety interlocks on an old microwave and run it with the door open. The energy dissipates quite quickly with distance.

Sorry, I don't believe you on account of the fact that you're insane.

Little Waves in an Ocean of Hate (5, Insightful)

Doc Ruby (173196) | more than 9 years ago | (#13121519)

That's the way to win "hearts and minds" of people angry at the US occupation forces: zap them with rayguns. We'll teach them how the 21st Century US welcomes them with "compassionate conservatism", by frying them with rayguns. After sizzling whole towns, there's no way they'll ever listen to insane jihadists telling them that the Great Satan has burned them with hellfire, that we're all better off in a medieval fiefdom under god. Yeah, sticking Iraqis into a microwave oven is exactly the way to get them to calm down, stop their civil war, and break out those flowers they're supposed to be greeting us with.

Re:Little Waves in an Ocean of Hate (2, Interesting)

ChipMonk (711367) | more than 9 years ago | (#13121627)

by frying them with rayguns

After which, they can still go home to their spouses and children, which is far more than they could say under the Old Regime [kdp.pp.se] . Of course, this won't stop them from strapping explosives around their waists and blowing up children [cnn.com] .

Re:Little Waves in an Ocean of Hate (1)

Dufffader (164439) | more than 9 years ago | (#13121637)

Before even that.... I was thinking, who the hell in their right mind would volunteer to be test subjects for an "unproven" ray gun? You could be a student in need of $ but not that dumb!

Commute (2, Funny)

3770 (560838) | more than 9 years ago | (#13121522)

Having one of these mounted on my car would help me with my daily commute.

Potentially lethal? (1)

Max Romantschuk (132276) | more than 9 years ago | (#13121523)

I see this as a better option than shooting rubber bullets at people or using teargas, but there is one serious problem:

What happens if someone gets trapped in the beam, knocked unconscious for example, and is exposed for a long time? If this device can cause serious burns it probably would be a sure death, as your whole body gets exposed. If burned badly enough (third degree) skin will pretty much drop off...

The real question is, can we trust the weapon operators to use this responsibly?

Hungry? (1)

qualico (731143) | more than 9 years ago | (#13121525)

If the pain does not motivate them to leave, maybe the smell of cooking...never mind.

Guess I'm just going to have to start wearing tin foil at these protest rallies.

Wait a minute .... (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 9 years ago | (#13121526)

But W. was right, Iraq is hiding some WMD then ;-)

Beams beams everywhere (1)

tadauphoenix (127728) | more than 9 years ago | (#13121529)

Let's see, put lasers on commercial jets. Check.

Next, microwave lasers in public places, To Protect You.

Finally, let's mount them on police cars.

I can't say any of this makes me feel safer.

Re:Beams beams everywhere (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 9 years ago | (#13121632)

You are completely safe, unless they decide to deploy them in your mother's basement. :)

Someone... (1)

jacen_sunstrider (797955) | more than 9 years ago | (#13121532)

has seen Batman Begins a few too many times.

That's a relief (5, Insightful)

legLess (127550) | more than 9 years ago | (#13121533)

From the article:
Burn injury is prevented by limiting the beam's intensity and duration.
Well thank god for that. We all know the customary restraint of law enforcement and military personnel will prevent any civilian injuries,

Re:That's a relief (1)

Computer Mutt (847977) | more than 9 years ago | (#13121658)

Taser, anyone?

Skewed Testing Cycle (1)

Pitr (33016) | more than 9 years ago | (#13121539)

Um... lemme see here... the weapon's being DEPLOYED after being in development for ~ 10 years, contingent on 6 - 8 *months* of testing, while life saving medications take some 25+ years of TESTING after they've been developed before they're released to the public?

Well I guess the worlds over populated anyway... :-/

Wouldn't this be foiled (5, Funny)

ostsJoe (756449) | more than 9 years ago | (#13121541)

by tin foil?

Re:Wouldn't this be foiled (2, Informative)

Pitr (33016) | more than 9 years ago | (#13121575)

The tin foil would get quite hot, and probably cause worse burns, anthough it would probaly also prevent any side effects that would be caused later on. Then again, tin foil over an insulating layer could do the trick.

Of course, if it really only penetrates 1/64th of an inch of skin, I assume simply being constantly hosed down with water would prevent the weapon from being effective, as the water should absorb the microwaves before they get to the skin.

I believe there are also ways of reflecting microwaves, but I might be remembering something else, or just watching too much TV...

Hearts and Minds (1)

16K Ram Pack (690082) | more than 9 years ago | (#13121545)

Is this part of the battle for "winning hearts and minds"?

So how does this work? (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 9 years ago | (#13121550)

In another test they were also told to remove metal objects such as coins from their clothing to prevent local hot spots from developing on their skin.
Exuse me! Excuse me! Rioters please listen up! It would be greatly appreciated if you would remove any jewelry you may be wearing and drop any other metal objects too. Thanks!

*ZAP*

So many questions (5, Insightful)

Valacosa (863657) | more than 9 years ago | (#13121552)

My first thoughts:
  • How wide-focus is this? Would police be able to use this on the street without frying everyone?
  • Could some sort of protection be made against this? (Portable Faraday cage, maybe?) If not, what's to prevent one of these falling into the black market and eventually being used on Police?
  • So Iraq has become the population-control guinea pig. What's even better is that this will probably be viewed by police as a magical dissent-eliminating ray. It's not. If people can't peacefully protest (or even riot), dissent is just forced underground, causing it to be made manifest more anonymously, more unexpectedly, and likely more distructively. Instead of more protests or riots, we have more things like...say...roadside bombs.

    Wait, isn't that terrorism? Using this thing could increase terrorism? Fucking wonderful.

35 year old reference (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 9 years ago | (#13121598)

This is still preferable to the alternative.
Just ask the guys at Kent State. Or Waco? Tienanmin Square?

You forgot one important ingredient (1)

millennial (830897) | more than 9 years ago | (#13121555)

Heating, intolerable pain, and irreversible genetic mutation! Hooray for technology!
Plus, whoever is struck by one of these can honestly say that ADS cause them physical pain.
/bad pun

counter measures? (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 9 years ago | (#13121571)

What are the counter measures for a device like this? will a thick aluminum shield work, or steel? hmmm..??

Re:counter measures? (1)

iamdrscience (541136) | more than 9 years ago | (#13121612)

will a thick aluminum shield work
Yes, but more practically, one could use their tin foil hat.

If only the US .. (1)

darkat (697582) | more than 9 years ago | (#13121591)

use the money they spend now to kill people around the world to fund research on something useful to people and not only to the big corporations ...

hope nobody is wearing tinfoil hats either! (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 9 years ago | (#13121595)

microwaving people to cool them off has to be the best thing i have ever hear of, GO MANKIND IN YOUR INFINITE WISDOM.

I cant wait till the first time they use this in public and all the metal fillings in people mouths start exploding, their heads eventually going off like an overnuked pizza pop.

Maser (1)

Jace of Fuse! (72042) | more than 9 years ago | (#13121601)

Is this some kind of Maser [wikipedia.org] ?

"Nonlethal" at the sandia article (5, Insightful)

hobotron (891379) | more than 9 years ago | (#13121604)

Nonlethal weaponry is a horseshit myth.

The term they should have used (and what law enforcement uses now, after more than a few wrongful death lawsuits, is the term of "Less lethal". Did any of the Kirtland Air Force Base participants have a pre existing heart condition? I bet they didnt let pregnant women participate.

Im so glad that when every time one of these proportedly nonlethal weapons pops up its run under a FULL and accurate barrage of labratory and set up tests, which almost never reveal the compounding issues that lead to death in real world enviroments.

The news.com article asks a few of the many lurking questions to this system. We all know this device is going to Iraq to go through real world testing before its used here in the US. Someone is counting on all the "little kinks" that are more than likely deadly will be ironed out under the public eye.

I find it highly ironic that our testing of this indescriminant weapon will be used in our even more indescriminant war.

Terrorists dont use large crowds as weapons, if you stop and think at why this weapon would be needed, its ultimately crowd control on our home front. Now why would we need that? Lakers winning again? I highly doubt it. Someone had a plan when they initated and funded the development of this, and it doesnt look like a good one.

nonlethal (1)

xmodem_and_rommon (884879) | more than 9 years ago | (#13121607)

if it's "nonlethal", why can't it be deployed for use at big "riots" in america as well?

why is the department of defense putting so little value on human life? (both its own soldiers and residents of iraq)

Would metal implants... (1)

kn0tw0rk (773805) | more than 9 years ago | (#13121611)

...heat up faster?

As there are many different types of metal that people have in/on their body, from decorative piercings to health related (pins from helping broken bones set to fillings in teeth), keys, jewelry.

I dread to think what would happen if you zapped someone with a pacemaker? Or a pregnant lady.

The sicko's that think this shit up should be the first people tested with this, in my opinion.

ass lickers!!! (-1, Flamebait)

Anonymous Coward | more than 9 years ago | (#13121626)

lick my ass you dirty bastards!!! all of you!!!

Tin Foil Free (1)

axonal (732578) | more than 9 years ago | (#13121639)

Well for one, I'm sure people will not put on their tinfoil hats for this... to avoid their heads from being cooked like a baked potato.

What a plan. (2, Insightful)

Dr. Mystery (896982) | more than 9 years ago | (#13121641)

It's torture in a can.

Rioters in iraq ? Sure its for them (1)

bxbaser (252102) | more than 9 years ago | (#13121653)

Cause right now there isnt any non lethal alternatives.
Except for all the other non lethal aternative crowd dispersing solutions.
It will goto iraq cause the test subjects at kirtland air force base where to apprehensive to try it on full power(kill mode).
Here in the usa we tend to get a bit sue happy when the goverment kills dozens of test subjects.
But in iraq we can try anything we want to, Whos gonna complain.

We have lost the war on Iraq (4, Insightful)

Anonymous Coward | more than 9 years ago | (#13121659)

We have given up on winning their hearts and minds, instead we will cook their hearts and minds with experimental ray-guns. God Bless America!
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