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World of Warcraft For The Win

Zonk posted more than 8 years ago | from the we-can-all-go-home-now dept.

Role Playing (Games) 437

In a press release from their website, Blizzard has announced that World of Warcraft has won. Or, more specifically, that the game "has surpassed 1.5 million paying customers in China - just a month following the game's commercial launch on June 7, 2005. The critically acclaimed World of Warcraft has now achieved another significant milestone as the largest MMORPG in the world, with more than 3.5 million global customers." Relatedly, Gamespy's OnLife column this week centers around the WoW duping story that we touched on earlier. From the article: "Needless to say, many players are a bit incensed that Blizzard isn't taking this as seriously as they feel it should. Others, though, are convinced that there isn't any duping actually going on. It's an urban myth, they say, which gullible forumites are unwittingly perpetuating."

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Dupe exists... sad farmers (3, Informative)

AlexTheBeast (809587) | more than 8 years ago | (#13124728)

As much as the WoW guys would like for us to believe it not to be true, the duping certainly exists. Guys like MickeyMouse describe the process in great detail. [tech-recipes.com] I know that he has buying/selling items for quite a while now to spread the money through the system to prevent getting tagged and booted. He sold several things to me. Heck, before this blew up, several other users reported people just handing them large amounts of money for no obvious reason (to hide the guilty among with innocent.)

Screenshots [tokyo-web.org] show this as well.

I know WoW needs some good press to balance out the bad... but don't deny the problem exists.

The chinese connection is even odder... because most of them are FARMERS in WoW. Therefore, they are hurt the most by this dupe bug! These guys have been just working and working to farm-in cash... and others have been just getting the gold for free.

This may be enough to break my WoW addiction... if I don't get booted and banned first.

Re:Dupe exists... sad farmers (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 8 years ago | (#13124761)

"Screenshots show this as well."

Photoshop FTW.

Re:Dupe exists... sad farmers (4, Insightful)

kaellinn18 (707759) | more than 8 years ago | (#13124769)

I'm not saying you're wrong or that the dupe doesn't exist, but screenshots are hardly proof, especially with the prevalence of Photoshop these days.

One would have to try the process themselves, and, in so doing, risk getting banned by Blizzard. I don't think this bug (if it does indeed exist) is going to have as big of an effect in the end as people think it will.

Re:Dupe exists... sad farmers (1, Informative)

Brackney (257949) | more than 8 years ago | (#13124858)

I can appreciate your skepticism, but when I've personally seen people selling 5 or 6 of the same epic equipment in the auction house I have to believe that this is a very real problem.

Re:Dupe exists... sad farmers (4, Insightful)

Chazmati (214538) | more than 8 years ago | (#13124817)

That screenshot looks photoshopped. Pull it into a paint program and increase the contrast, you can clearly see the same background texture copied on every line, and at the very bottom there's a horizontal line where the background doesn't match up. I'd post a link if I had the cohones (and bandwidth) to take on a slashdotting.

But then again, that's not proof that it DOESN'T exist.

Re:Dupe exists... sad farmers (4, Informative)

Mundocani (99058) | more than 8 years ago | (#13124993)

That's an interesting point about the artifacts in the screenshot. At first I thought you might be mistaken and that they might just be normal artifacts of the way WoW renders the auction frame so I went into the game and did a screenshot of an auction frame. The artifacts do not show up there: the background texture is continous between auction items and not tiled the way it appears in the screenshot nor does it change abruptly after the last item.

This screenshot does in fact appear to be a hoax.

Re:Dupe exists... sad farmers (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 8 years ago | (#13125007)

I don't know.

WoW is known to had ridiculously bad in-game graphics.

Re:Dupe exists... sad farmers (1)

funny-jack (741994) | more than 8 years ago | (#13125017)

Check out the contrast-enhanced image here [imageshack.us] and here [imageshack.us] (a cropped, zoomed, highlighted version showing the repeating and the lines).

Re:Dupe exists... sad farmers (3, Insightful)

AlexTheBeast (809587) | more than 8 years ago | (#13125084)

Useless without pics from the game as well.

Also... if you don't trust the original picture, how you can trust these "new" pictures... which have obviously been photoshopped!

I don't know what to believe anymore...

Head spinning. (grin)

Re:Dupe exists... sad farmers (1)

BarryNorton (778694) | more than 8 years ago | (#13125109)

Can we non-players see a valid screenshot for comparison?

One might assume that this isn't normal - since the background to the buttons on the left are dissimilar - but this is just an assumption...

Re:Dupe exists... sad farmers (1, Insightful)

88NoSoup4U88 (721233) | more than 8 years ago | (#13125112)

I'd post a link if I had the cohones (and bandwidth) to take on a slashdotting.

For these occasions Imageshack [imageshack.com] is a quick and easy solution.

Re:Dupe exists... sad farmers (1, Troll)

Amouth (879122) | more than 8 years ago | (#13124820)

personaly i think we should break everyones addiction.. not that WoW isn't a good game.. i just can't fathom paying for a game and then paying monthly to play it.. the need to pick one.. give us the game (or charge media cost only) and charge us monthly or sell us the game and be done with it.. i am glad this Dupe thing has started it makes it less worth while for people to pay monthly.. although i do wonder how they are storeing the items on the server side.. and why they don't have id's on the items to prevent this.. following the steps to make dupes i can see exactly why it is happening but personaly the server should throw a flag that a dupe item exist.. and here are all the ones.. and even for gold.. i mean there is a reason that in the real world we put serial numbrs on all our bills

Re:Dupe exists... sad farmers (2, Insightful)

DerWulf (782458) | more than 8 years ago | (#13125103)

have you even considered the entertainment to expense ratio? It's perfectly okay for you to say that it's not worth it for you personally. Some of us would rather play WoW than, ie., watch what nowadays passes as movie, though. Just playing 4 hours WoW will break you even if you compare it to cinema. Every minute beyond that can then be considered 'free' enterainment. Don't go around calling people addicts just because the activity they happen to enjoy is performed while sitting at a computer.

Can you say SCAM? (2, Funny)

jim_v2000 (818799) | more than 8 years ago | (#13124855)

Seriously people...would you trust someone who told you this?

"Hey man, I'll hold all of your money while you log off/on to dupe it!"

Re:Can you say SCAM? (1)

KtHM (732769) | more than 8 years ago | (#13125043)

That's not how it works.

You give someone some money, walk into an instance (which transfers your character to another server), if the instance server is down, you get booted back to the world server.....with your original gold. The other person still has the gold you gave them as well.

The scams are usually, "I'll trade 300g here for 300g on (other server)!"

Re:Can you say SCAM? (1)

VanWEric (700062) | more than 8 years ago | (#13125105)

Welcome to the market.

"Hey man, I'm going to make this website, and EVERYONE is going to click on it. Give me your money now, and when everyone clicks on http://thebubblealreadyburst.com/ [thebubblea...yburst.com], you'll be a dot com millionaire!"

"I hear cow shares are going to triple in the next 6 months"

Re:Dupe exists... sad farmers (2, Funny)

Rhys (96510) | more than 8 years ago | (#13124866)

No, it just means that as soon as someone translates the dupe bug to chinese the farmers are going to be doing it.

Duping ? (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 8 years ago | (#13124906)

Something strange is going on in the game. Not sure if its duping related, but I just received three items in the game's mail system from someone I don't know. These 3 leather armor items show as being made by my own character.
The items weren't worth very much, but WTF? I didn't make them, and I don't know who the guy is that sent them to me.

Starting to lose confidence in the game.

Re:Dupe exists... sad farmers (1)

PickyH3D (680158) | more than 8 years ago | (#13124965)

The farmers were actually duping the most, at least on the servers I saw. I saw a bunch of "epic" quality items (generally the best sellable, for those that don't play the game) duped and on the AH. It was not just gold being duped in other words.

Re:Dupe exists... sad farmers (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 8 years ago | (#13125134)

methinks you just posted this to help mickeymouse get his free tech-recipes t-shirt and amazon gift card.

-= currently wearing mine already =-

Terrorists attack London again! (-1, Offtopic)

Anonymous Coward | more than 8 years ago | (#13124741)

Off topic, but no joke: http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/uk/4703777.stm [bbc.co.uk]

Re:Terrorists attack London again! (-1, Troll)

kutsu119 (883719) | more than 8 years ago | (#13124880)

Who is snape and why does he kill Dumbledore? Huh?

Re:Terrorists attack London again! (-1, Offtopic)

Punko (784684) | more than 8 years ago | (#13124989)

Atta boy! Way to spoil things for a lot of people. If I hadn't already finished the book, I'd be mighty pissed with you. Remember, they outnumber you by a LOT

1.5million subscribers in China? (3, Funny)

kutsu119 (883719) | more than 8 years ago | (#13124746)

Never mind duping ITEMS, I think Blizzard must be duping Chinese players! No WONDER there are so many server crashes, bloody Blizzard's customer duper team (the duperheros)

fr0st p1st (-1, Redundant)

Anonymous Coward | more than 8 years ago | (#13124753)

yeah, baby, yeah!

Good work (1)

mfloy (899187) | more than 8 years ago | (#13124755)

I think this goes to show that multiplayer games are where the industry is now. I do not think publishers can be successful unless they release games like WOW that millions can play together at the same time.

Re:Good work (2, Interesting)

PsychicX (866028) | more than 8 years ago | (#13124840)

Can somebody please explain the appeal to me? I've seen FFXI, WoW, DAoC...I don't see how it's an improvement over, say, Baldur's Gate, except that instead of being in control, you have half a dozen idiots around who, at any time, may decide to do something completely stupid. Except for the players in your guild/clan/etc, none of the other players really matter to your game experience at all, with the exception of PvP. (And PvP in WoW is pretty lame, actually.) It's like Diablo 2 and Battle.Net, except you occasionally run past someone else who seems to be doing his own thing -- the two players usually ignore each other entirely. Of course in WoW you might be in a contested zone, in which case you'll probably just get cut up unless you're the one cutting someone up. What's so awesome about MMOs? What is it that drives people to shell out $15 every month for the privilege of running past other players without paying any attention to them, except in the rare case that a fight breaks out or you need someone's help to finish a quest or kill some dude?

Re:Good work (2, Funny)

StreetChip (870758) | more than 8 years ago | (#13125002)

"running past other players without paying any attention to them, except in the rare case that a fight breaks out or you need someone's help to finish a quest or kill some dude?" Thank you, you just summed up real life.

Re:Good work (2, Insightful)

sgant (178166) | more than 8 years ago | (#13125048)

You first start out acting like you've never played these but only "seen" them. Then you claim that the PvP in WoW is pretty lame...but if you've never played it, how would you know? Just wondering, not making a judgment.

But any game like this is what you make out of it. If you really want to play WoW and never ever ever talk to anyone else or even acknowledge anyone else and that would be ok. Or you could be totally social and go on PvP raids, join and guild etc etc. You can do what you want really.

But these type of games don't appeal to everyone, like CS and UT2004 don't appeal to everyone. Hell, some people just want to play Tetris. I kind think you personally wouldn't like WoW.

Re:Good work (3, Insightful)

eln (21727) | more than 8 years ago | (#13125092)

This is exactly why I like Guild Wars so much. All of the battle areas are instanced for each player or group of players, so you can form your parties in towns, and go out to kill or complete quests without having to worry about some other yahoo screwing it up for you. Also, the missions are set up so you can play only 1 or 2 hours at a time and still progress through the game. This and the fact that it has no monthly fee makes it the perfect game for people like me, who can't spend 6 hours at a stretch playing these things.

Die-hard WoW players see the instanced battle areas as Guild Wars' biggest weakness, but I see them as its biggest strength.

Re:Good work (1)

KtHM (732769) | more than 8 years ago | (#13125114)

- There's an in game economy, run solely by the players.

- PvP isn't boring unless you play on a carebear server, or a low pop PvP. Join a raid on an enemy city and you'll see what I mean.

- You don't "occasionally" need help on quests. There are instance dungeons throughout the levels (you do more and more the higher you get) which require at least 3-4 people, recommend 5, and can have up to 10 people in them. Not to mention raid dungeons, that require 40 people to get through.

It sounds like you've played a character up to maybe the 20s and given up. There's a lot more to the game than what you seem to have seen.

Re:Good work (4, Interesting)

DerWulf (782458) | more than 8 years ago | (#13125129)

you act as if 15$ is a fortune. It isn't. It's going to the cinema twice. You complain about people doing *that*, too? I mean, you go enjoy your acting-less special-effect show. Meanwhile I'll pretent to be a hero in a fantasy world. If that makes me stupid, I don't know what it makes you.

Eh? (4, Informative)

Mr. Underbridge (666784) | more than 8 years ago | (#13124986)

I think this goes to show that multiplayer games are where the industry is now. I do not think publishers can be successful unless they release games like WOW that millions can play together at the same time

Yeah, it's killing Rockstar. And are you aware of how many MMPORGs crash and burn, and how much more they cost to make compared to a regular game?

There's a large gaming market of people like me - people who want to game ~5-10 hrs/week, which isn't enough time to become expert at a game, and who want to have fun without treating a game like a job. I have a job - that's what I'm escaping with the game. I also don't want to subscribe to a damned game.

Put that together and single player games have a lot of life left in them.

Re:Eh? (1)

bellmounte (883810) | more than 8 years ago | (#13125141)

1.5 million paying customers in China

Face it, is it a job for some. China Farmers FTW.

They are even trained to run up to rogues and pop open the trade window with a locked lockbox and say thank you.

Re:Eh? (1)

88NoSoup4U88 (721233) | more than 8 years ago | (#13125143)

Yeah, it's killing Rockstar.

The next GTA seems to be going the MMORPG-way though (from early reports) : Then again, if they keep churning out sequels to GTA as good as they did until now, I won't lose hope in them releasing another great, singleplayer-focused, GTA game.

How much does it cost? (2, Interesting)

pbrinich (238041) | more than 8 years ago | (#13124756)

Anyone know how much (in USD) it costs to play WoW in China? Also, I wonder how many of them are gold farmers :)

Re:How much does it cost? (5, Informative)

osCon (564668) | more than 8 years ago | (#13124841)

It costs ~0.055USD an hour to play. (http://www.blizzard.com/press/chinapatch.shtml [blizzard.com])

From blizzard:
"Only players who have purchased an authorized CD key will be able to activate their accounts and enter the game. Each CD key costs 30 Yuan/RMB and can be purchased with a World of Warcraft Points Card. Point Cards also cost 30 Yuan/RMB and can be used at a rate of 9 points per hour (0.45 Yuan/hour) to play World of Warcraft."

Re:How much does it cost? (1)

MORTAR_COMBAT! (589963) | more than 8 years ago | (#13125125)

(Disclaimer: the following is intended mostly as a joke.) Damn. If I could pay a nickel an hour to play I would only be racking up a dime a day, or $3 a month. I'm getting ripped for my other $12!! Where is my pay per hour plan!

On a more serious note, never, ever before has my sig been so truly on topic:

Article is wrong (0, Troll)

theclam159 (833616) | more than 8 years ago | (#13124759)

It should read:

"has surpassed 1.5 million paying eBay entrepreneurs in China"

Re:Article is wrong (1)

astonish (177831) | more than 8 years ago | (#13124847)

In china you actually pay by the hour from what I understand. 60 hrs of playtime at a time is the unit you pay for. Much much cheaper than here in north america, but finicially equivalent considering the salaries of people over there.

Re:Article is wrong (1)

analog_line (465182) | more than 8 years ago | (#13124911)

Problem is they're talking about Chinese servers. You can't even connect to the game without the CHINESE CLIENT, which most Americans can't understand, let along get their hands on. I would imagine that they may be under some kind of imposition from the Chinese government to stop anyone that isn't from a Chinese IP address from connecting.

Poor reading (3, Funny)

Anonymous Coward | more than 8 years ago | (#13124760)

I just read "World" "War" and "China" and thought Here we go again!

good for china (2, Funny)

tont0r (868535) | more than 8 years ago | (#13124768)

great. that means that there are 1.5 million chinese that have lost their jobs and houses because they spend all day playing this game.

Re:good for china (4, Informative)

stinerman (812158) | more than 8 years ago | (#13125026)

Actually, for many of these Chinese, playing WoW is their job. Read up on any WoW forums about the "sweatshops". Excerpt [worldofwarcraft.com]:

In the average sweatshop you have 1 person manning 2 or 3 computers. The first 1 or 2 computers is a charecter being ran by simple macros(and looting programs) requiring minimal player interaction, farming scarlet monestary for example. The final one is usually a level 60 rogue farming difficult mobs, such as the elites in tyr's hand. ( If you go to tyr's hand on any server you will find about 5 to 10 rogues farming 24/7, all chinese)

The biggest issue with the chinese farmer sweatshops where players get payed 37 cents an hour to farm gold, is that there are always employees that speak english near by. These employees who have a degree in english have 3 main functions.
1.) Sell items to players in IF/ORG trade.
2.) Assist other employees with player interaction.
3.) Respond to GM tells.

Re:good for china (2, Funny)

jjohnson (62583) | more than 8 years ago | (#13125081)

I think you mean "there are 1.5 million chinese that have houses because they have jobs playing Wow all day".

In China ?.. (2, Informative)

Gopal.V (532678) | more than 8 years ago | (#13124770)

I thought china was behind a sort of Great Firewall of China ?.

Anwyay, you'll find me a the local tavern where all the chinese play talking about Democracy and Fair market prices. If you visit you'll get a free sword of omens - identical to what I use. I'd like to see WoW ban me or block these chinese yuppies from hearing capitalist propoganda (like Google did).

Face it people, they have the population, they have the money (thanks to US shipping manufacturing jobs there last decade) and they have the market.

Re:In China ?.. (2, Insightful)

obli (650741) | more than 8 years ago | (#13124815)

Maybe that's why they've got their own servers, wouldn't want to get any new and exciting words such as 'freedom' slipping in, now would we?

Re:In China ?.. (1)

danheskett (178529) | more than 8 years ago | (#13124983)

Not only that, but they are about to have a population that is titled dramatically to the young male demographic.. which can only be a bad thing.. having a country with an "extra" 100M military aged males can't be a good thing.

Re:In China ?.. (1)

SenatorOrrinHatch (741838) | more than 8 years ago | (#13125022)

I feel the same way, but after reading this article by Bill Clinton's ex-advisor I think maybe we will be all right thanks to India:
http://www.hillnews.com/thehill/export/TheHill/Com ment/DickMorris/072005.html [hillnews.com]
This is the first time I've seen a political pundit mention robotics replacing manual laborers, though I've heard it's what the Japanese are banking on to help them stay competetive with China. After all, how much will it cost China to make cars in a few years?

Dupe exists (1)

spaztech (899194) | more than 8 years ago | (#13124811)

The dupe exists because it is constantly affecting Slashdot's front page. Mod me troll, its true.

One name that will always live in infamy (1, Funny)

olu (60959) | more than 8 years ago | (#13124814)


Re:One name that will always live in infamy (1, Funny)

Anonymous Coward | more than 8 years ago | (#13125016)

Yes, indeed. I was playing Guild Wars a night or two another and someone said, "Let's take this carefully. Don't anybody be a Leroy!"

So what happened? Someone did exactly what Leroy did....argh!

obviously there is duping (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 8 years ago | (#13124825)

if you play the game at all you will obviously see the massive amounts of duped items on the auction house. i know plenty of people that abused the hell out of this bug when it was found. cant say im too innocent myself =P

This game is a drug... (3, Insightful)

electrosoccertux (874415) | more than 8 years ago | (#13124826)

I don't know how they should fix it, but its like opium and any other drug.....completely removes the desire to work or do anything else.

I've seen too many people waste hundreds and hundreds of hours on it....neglecting other, more important things. I'm not even going to touch it.

Re:This game is a drug... (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 8 years ago | (#13125113)

How is entertaining yourself wasting time? What's the point of life if not to entertain yourself?

Also, anything that makes you feel good is inherently addictive. Everything from smoking crack to cleaning your ears out with Q-tips is addictive.

I can't believe someone is bitching that a game is too good.

If you think about it (2, Interesting)

TobyWong (168498) | more than 8 years ago | (#13124834)

Ignoring the game itself, it's a pretty amazing logistical feat they have pulled off, all within a pretty short amount of time.

They got caught flatfooted initially but I thought they did a pretty good job recovering from their early mistakes. Now with their massive global subscriber base they have turned into the real juggernaught in the MMO industry.

Now if only they would get off their asses and release Starcraft 2 already. ;)

Ah, 1.5 million bored customers (1)

SparafucileMan (544171) | more than 8 years ago | (#13124837)

When they hit level 60.

No endgame FTW!

Re:Ah, 1.5 million bored customers (1)

Winterblink (575267) | more than 8 years ago | (#13124893)

Just one of many issues with the game that never seem to reach the forefront of gaming news. This probably won't stop the WoW zealots from whacking it to the news their one-trick pony has suckered so many.

That being said, I'm glad the game has been successful for Blizzard. Maybe they can take some of the proceeds of the game and hire some people to start programming some content. Or just move on and make World of Starcraft.

1.5 million paying customers? (2, Interesting)

Xzzy (111297) | more than 8 years ago | (#13124878)

More like 1.5 million sweatshop farmers.

On some servers there isn't a single high level area that doesn't have a handful of suspiciously silent level 60's killing the same stuff over and over for hours. The macroing is advanced enough that if you follow them for a short while, you'll quickly notice them taking the exact same route time and time again, especially in areas that have chests to open.

I know it's not fair to generalize the entirety of China's playerbase as farmers, but it's well known that it is happening, and is also well known that much of the farming is done by people in Asian countries.

On one hand it's interesting to see such an industry spring up, channeling money into poorer hands, but on the other, it'd be real nice to play an online game without having to compete against people doing a job.

Re:1.5 million paying customers? (1)

sho222 (834270) | more than 8 years ago | (#13125059)

Let me start by disclosing that all I know about WoW is from the articles I read, and that leeroy video [bredband.net] I saw (pretty funny, I guess). So, I'm a total n00b, or whatever.

I have a question: Doesn't WoW allow player vs. player combat? When you see a drone player running around killing the same bunny over and over, can't you just kill him? Wouldn't this solve the farmer problem? It seems like it would be a good self-regulation method. Groups of "Regulators" could form and run around the world finding and killing the farmers. Their reward would be the gold or experience the farmer has gained.

Re:1.5 million paying customers? (2, Informative)

jamie (78724) | more than 8 years ago | (#13125139)

Some WoW servers allow PvP combat, some don't; you choose when you start your character.

You can't attack players of your own faction, and my guess is that farmers choose to farm in areas dominated by their own faction so that the chance of any of the enemy happening by is slim. Also, it's a really big game world, and, except in major cities, players are spread out sparsely, so you're not likely to run into someone farming in an out-of-the-way place. Finally, you don't gain gold, items or experience from killing a player of the opposing faction, so there's little incentive for players to target such farmers.

Re:1.5 million paying customers? (1)

Wudbaer (48473) | more than 8 years ago | (#13125154)

Haven't played it either; but what you suggest would only increase the problem if one could do it that way - you script your farmer, you script the regulators to kill the farmer and make it extra easy for them - instant profit !

real world economics (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 8 years ago | (#13124885)

Let me get this straight. Blizzard is saying there are 3.5 million paying subscribers. At $12/month, lets round down and call it $30million per month subscriber income.

From their FAQ [worldofwarcraft.com]:

Why isn't World of Warcraft free? World of Warcraft will require a fee to play. This fee will be used to support the costs associated with the high-quality levels of service, support, and ongoing content creation that we are planning for World of Warcraft.

Are they really adding $30million of value each month? Somehow I think not.....

Chinese rate are different (2, Informative)

cyfer2000 (548592) | more than 8 years ago | (#13125098)

In China people pay $3.7 for 66 hours 40 minutes. Don't know how much of this amount goes to Blizzard.

Clarification on Farmers (2, Informative)

Anonymous Coward | more than 8 years ago | (#13124901)

I was under the impression that farmed items/gold must be farmed on the server they're sold on. Therefore gold/items farmed on a Chinese server can only be sold to people on that server. Chinese farmers must be on a US server in order to sell items to players of that US server. This is why the 1.5 million players on the chinese servers cannot be farmers, at least not to US players.

Re:Clarification on Farmers (1)

badmammajamma (171260) | more than 8 years ago | (#13125024)

You are correct, however, most of the fuckheads who play the game are racist. They will deny this vehemently of course saying they don't use the "N word" etc, but apparently they fail to understand that not using the N-word doesn't stop you from being a racist.

I can't tell you how many times I hear about this chinese farming crap in guild chat, or how often I hear phrases like, "jew down", etc.

I played EQ for 4 years and there were racists in that too but nothing compared to what I've experiencd in WoW. It's truely shocking how common it is.

Lance Armstrong controversy again? (2, Funny)

Sloppyjoes7 (556803) | more than 8 years ago | (#13124921)

So, there's rumors that Lance's avatar has been duping? Hasn't there been enough speculation and testing?

That's what happens when you launch in Europe - They start accusing the Americans of using high tech duping methods that get past the officials.

Look. If Blizzard says he's not duping, he's not.
Get over it.

Wow...I just love the rampant racism (4, Insightful)

badmammajamma (171260) | more than 8 years ago | (#13124923)

I see people going on and on about Chinese farmers. I see this in game too. It's really sad. Yes, there are chinese farmers. It does not mean that every chinese person playing the game is a farmer. Recently I left my guild because of this kind of racism. Of course, it always starts with chinese farmers and then it leads to more controversial types of racism about jews and blacks.

Honestly, I'm very close to quitting the game over this kind of crap. Every guild I join is litered with racists and the leaders don't do anything about it (some even join in).

I reported a guy for racism in barrens chat and I got flamed to high heaven for it. Pathetic.

Re:Wow...I just love the rampant racism (0)

theantipop (803016) | more than 8 years ago | (#13125078)

Calm down man. If you can't take the joke, then maybe online gaming isn't for you. Or being on the internet at all.

Re:Wow...I just love the rampant racism (1)

Momoru (837801) | more than 8 years ago | (#13125097)

That wouldn't be racism as living in China does not mean you are of the Chinese race (and does that mean Han Chinese, Manchu, etc...). As China contains many many different races, all of whom are happy to work for wages that would be substandard in the USA. I think what you are describing would just be plain stereotyping. But hey, pull out the race card, everyone enjoys that.

Dupe me too! (2, Funny)

Gettinglucky (655935) | more than 8 years ago | (#13124934)

Seeing the fact that WoW has zero character customization and 90% of people look the same as the other person there must have been a character dupe on the first days. Now people just want to make sure that all the identical look characters have all the same weapons so they do not look different!

No end game (-1, Flamebait)

Anonymous Coward | more than 8 years ago | (#13124943)

I know when I hit level 60, all the fun just stopped. I had no desire to sart a new character to do the same stuff over again, and there was nothing more to do. At least I was able to recoupe some of the money by selling off my char/account :-)

filtering WoW content (1)

Danathar (267989) | more than 8 years ago | (#13124956)

So how does the Chinese government keep "radicals" or enemys of the state from meeting in these online games? It's not like lurking in a chat room.

Could we see pro-democracy people in China meeting in some strange dungeon or cave in the game to talk about things the Chinese gov does not want them to?

3.5 million users.. (0)

mar1no (559482) | more than 8 years ago | (#13124962)

At $15 a month, thats $52.5 million a month for Blizzard.

$52 million a month and their servers still blow more ass than Richard Simmons. They really need to get better tech staff and stop stuffing their pockets.

Re:3.5 million users.. (1)

daVinci1980 (73174) | more than 8 years ago | (#13125144)

Your comment betrays your lack of understanding about the complexity of their problem.

For one thing, it's *extremely* unlikely that Blizzard's IT staff is unskilled (based on their other employees, which are extremely talented. Blizzard, like several other companies I've interacted with seems to believe very strongly in having talented individuals in all aspects of business).

Which actually is a problem for them in this situation. It's not that their staff is untalented, it's that they're short-handed and the bar is high for recruiting new staff. This makes hiring a lot of staff (which they are in desparate need of) a very slow process. Frankly, it's just not that often that someone who is truly talented shops their resume around. (It happens from time to time, but it's really rare).

Truly talented people are never wanting for job offers.

Re:3.5 million users.. (0, Flamebait)

ARRRLovin (807926) | more than 8 years ago | (#13125157)

Yeah, cause no MMORPG in the world has EVER had growing pains. Newsflash, math genius, THEY'RE STILL GROWING, hence the persistent growing pains.

Farmers aren't the problem... (1)

Turd Rippleton (558149) | more than 8 years ago | (#13125005)

People paying for their services are. Take away the demand and you will see the supply diminish.

Farmers aren't only chinese... it's the classic 'pass the buck onto someone else' mantra.

Just goes to show you. (1)

Inoshiro (71693) | more than 8 years ago | (#13125019)

Make the game fun, accesible, and re-using an existing universe that people love (it doesn't hurt that they are adding content at a decent rate, despite the odd hiccup), and you'll easily pass the "hardcore" MMOs whose modus operandi seems to be forcing the player to spend all their time in frivolity.

Everquest didn't peak near these numbers. Why? It's just not fun.

How Much Do They Pay (1)

Comatose51 (687974) | more than 8 years ago | (#13125028)

Do customers in China pay $10 USD or would it be lower since their incomes are lower? If so, then what's to stop an American player from signning up as a customer in China via a proxy (human or digital) and then connect to the servers?

3.5 million customers at $15 a month... (-1, Redundant)

Thaelon (250687) | more than 8 years ago | (#13125039)

3.5 million customers at $15 a month = $52,500,000 a month.

And the game is still buggy as shit according to those few of my friends that still play.

That's enough money to hire at least 500 senior programmers to fix their damn game.

I played it for several months, but got utterly bored with it, tired of all its bugs and lack of promised features and quit back in April. I thought it was too slow paced and repetitive, not to mention the drunken bird flights that took^H^H^H^Hwasted ridiculous amounts of time. I couldn't justify $15 a month for it. Everyone said that it was the fastest paced and best MMO out there but the least rotten piece of fruit is still a rotten piece of fruit.

Why are they all on the US servers then? (1)

Zed2K (313037) | more than 8 years ago | (#13125051)

If there are 1.5 million chinese players why are they crowding the US servers as gold farmers and cheaters then? Go cheat on your own servers!

Censorship (1)

Miros (734652) | more than 8 years ago | (#13125071)

Do you guys feel that there may be a future for censorship on WoW given the massive chinese population? If the chinese government gets nervous over blogs, how do you think they'll feel about an online virtual environment where its citizens can interact with eachother in ways now seen to be perhaps, too free?

Correction... (0, Redundant)

uarch (637449) | more than 8 years ago | (#13125090)

"... surpassed 1.5 million paying customers in China"

.5 Million paying customers
1 Million ebay gold farmers :P

(Before anyone complains... this is not racism)

Not the first time (2, Informative)

Montressor (34631) | more than 8 years ago | (#13125133)

Diablo II had a duplication bug as well. The system became inundated with Stone of Jordans and other copied objects.
These duped items, however, had some internal identifier in common. Blizzard deleted all the copied items, leaving a lot of people who had bought them quite sad. I would not be surprised if the same would be true in WoW.
I doubt gold has the same feature though - the stolen gold is probably here to stay. However, I bet there's records of people going in and out of instances - people are going to get busted if this really works.
I haven't seen any sign of this exploit happening on my server.

chinese wow (3, Informative)

Zammo (882452) | more than 8 years ago | (#13125152)

The average person in China could not afford the $15/month that the west can pay. IIRC The game is downloaded for free, CD keys are ~$2USD and $0.05USD per hour (IE: every computer in every internet cafe in Shanghai has WoW installed on it)... Blizzard is probably making 1/20th the amount of $$$ from the chinese player then their making from the US player.... Based on all this, you could expect to see 10M WoW players in China by year end, and Blizzard gets to inflate their numbers! The economics here are very interesting.
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