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HP Fires Father of OOP

CowboyNeal posted about 9 years ago | from the hard-times dept.

HP 697

An anonymous reader writes "Wow. Hewlett-Packard has disbanded its Advanced Software Research team and sent its leader, reknowned programmer Alan Kay, packing. From today's Good Morning Silicon Valley: 'HP is bidding adieu to legendary Silicon Valley technologist Alan Kay. A founder of Xerox's Palo Alto Research Center, Kay -- who once said, "The best way to predict the future is to invent it" -- was instrumental in the development of the windowing GUI and modern object-oriented programming. He envisioned a laptop computer long before the first ones rolled out and his Smalltalk programming language was a predecessor to Sun Microsystems' Java. Hard to believe HP's cutting him loose.' Maybe Apple will hire him."

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And... (2, Insightful)

Anonymous Coward | about 9 years ago | (#13131089)

People wonder why no one is going into CS anymore.

Re:And... (4, Insightful)

Coryoth (254751) | about 9 years ago | (#13131129)

People wonder why no one is going into CS anymore.

If you honestly think he'll be struggling to find a well paying job elsewhere you're deluding yourself. Just because large floundering corporations are laying off good CS people doesn't mean much. Mostly what it means is that HP obviously doesn't have any long term vision anymore, and are probably very much on the way out.

Jedidiah.

Re:And... (1)

ebuck (585470) | about 9 years ago | (#13131293)

I detect an impending Google hire.

Re:And... (2, Informative)

walt-sjc (145127) | about 9 years ago | (#13131330)

Yep - HP has really lost it. Having just gone through an RFP process for an enterprise SAN, we looked at HP since most of our servers were HP. What a disappointing offering! Nothing innovative at all. IBM, NetApp, and EMC blew them away.

Re:And... (3, Insightful)

Alomex (148003) | about 9 years ago | (#13131334)

People wonder why no one is going into CS anymore.

Actually employment stats bottomed in 2002 and have been picking up since. At the same time a lot of people are making the same mistake you did, which is reading too much in to the random firing.

In sum the overall picture is something like IT employment down 10% but rising back up, CS enrolment down 50% and falling.

Guess what that translates into? A shortage of CSers four years from now.

HP Slogans (4, Insightful)

randalware (720317) | about 9 years ago | (#13131092)



HP Invent ---- Isn't that hard without inventors ?

Re:HP Slogans (4, Insightful)

Alaren (682568) | about 9 years ago | (#13131198)

Actually, what they meant to say was "HP Invest." Just one letter. Simple mistake, really.

But there you have it. I was reading this article [commondreams.org] about America's economy today and wondering if it wasn't a bit alarmist. But as an IT employee of a privately owned company, I have to admit that I am quite nervous about the prospect of an IPO (not that I have any idea when or if it will happen)... although I might make a decent amount of money on stock options, I'm not ranked high enough that I would be able to retire.

And once the IPO goes through, suddenly it's no longer about employees and customers but aout shareholders and reports and juggling meaningless numbers. It ultimately doesn't matter how talented someone is; talent doesn't appear on the report that says "Cut X number of employees in order to free up some cash so our quarterly will attract more investors."

Re:HP Slogans (4, Funny)

daeley (126313) | about 9 years ago | (#13131255)

Actually, what they meant to say was "HP Invest." Just one letter. Simple mistake, really.

Actually actually, I think it meant to say "HP Invert", as in Rectal-Cranial Inversion, which is what HP has collectively accomplished with moves like this.

Yet More HP Slogans (4, Funny)

handy_vandal (606174) | about 9 years ago | (#13131304)

Actually, what they meant to say was "HP Invest." Just one letter. Simple mistake, really.

Actually actually, I think it meant to say "HP Invert", as in Rectal-Cranial Inversion, which is what HP has collectively accomplished with moves like this.

Fact: they meant to say "HP Invect" -- that is, to issue invective.

Examples:

"Fuck you, losers -- we're better off without you!"

And:

"HP Rules! U-S-A-!! U-S-A-!!," etc.

-kgj

Re:HP Slogans (2, Informative)

chris09876 (643289) | about 9 years ago | (#13131253)

I had a close friend who worked for HP about a year ago. He was shocked at how inefficient everything was run, and how they participated in a lot of unprofitable (and wasteful) activities. His biggest comment was that their slogan should be "HP Rebrand", since that's all they do. There hasn't been any significant advancements or innovations made, nor any large pushes to making useful discoveries.

Re:HP Slogans (1)

scatters (864681) | about 9 years ago | (#13131336)

I worked at HP a number of years ago, when they valued employees and took a much longer view of technology investments. As soon as the company became Carly Corp, the writing was on the wall for it as a technology leader and a unique place to work. Bill and Dave's Hewlett-Packard is gone, and all that is left is yet another grist mill that just sticks their label on other company's products.

Where exactly is the added value in the HP iPod??? Not to mention the Gwen Stefani digital camera.

Glad I got out when I did!

Re:HP Slogans (1)

Mark of THE CITY (97325) | about 9 years ago | (#13131287)

HP doesn't invent; Agilent (the spinoff with all the cool stuff) does, though I've heard bad rumors there, too.

Maybe Apple will hire him... (1)

M3rk1n_Muffl3y (833866) | about 9 years ago | (#13131094)

...to come up with a new DRM.

Re:Maybe Apple will hire him... (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 9 years ago | (#13131113)

More likely Microsoft Research will.

Re:Maybe Apple will hire him... (5, Interesting)

0xC0FFEE (763100) | about 9 years ago | (#13131166)

Kay as already been at Apple, during the early Macintosh day. He's been at Xeros during the days of the Alto, worked on SmallTalk. Some people will tell you there as never been anything like it since.

Kay is the kind of people that have too much ideas and not enough time to research or implement all of them (in a good sense of course). That means he's got potential ideas lined up waiting for some CPU cycles to become available. You give him carte blanche over a talented team and he create amazing stuff. I'd be the ideal person to build an "Internet Plateform", whatever it is. I can tell what exists today is not "it" and barely registers as functional in his mind. I'd be surprised if he doesn't end at Google.

Re:Maybe Apple will hire him... (1)

SeventyBang (858415) | about 9 years ago | (#13131345)



It's doubtful he'd work for WHG III [1]. I wonder if he'd embarass himself by making a play for Kay (and risk being refused)?

There's no doubt Mr. Kay doesn't have to work - so he's doing so because he likes to do what he does. This means there's a 50%-50% [2] proposition: start his own little lab of test tubes or see what could happen by applying his intelligence, creativity, and experience and plugging it into the younger resources of Google. That's as close to pure research as anyone's getting these days.

(Although, if you were to listen to Ballmer, Google is a one-trick pony. He refuses to refer to them in any terms but a search engine. And don't think that's anything but intentional. He wants everyone to see them as a search engine and to overlook anything else they've been doing. Remember, one of Microsoft's best strengths is marketing - making the people who hold the money believe what they want them to believe. The longer everyone things Google == Search Engine and nothing else matters, even to the point of "search engine" means "text", not the pictures, video, etc. which Google is putting together, the stronger Microsoft looks, relatively speaking. Ballmer dares not look anything less than a cocksure bastard. Otherwise, the slow slide most of us can see will speed up considerably and they will not be able to put the brakes on or reverse the skid.)


_____________________
[1] If you still are wondering, WGH III = William Henry Gates, III.

[2] I truly believe it is 50%-50%, not just a one of two things will happen.


Let my fish loose! (-1, Offtopic)

Anonymous Coward | about 9 years ago | (#13131095)

Wholly carp!

Ohy Migod.

Wowie Zowie,

Hungry Howie?

Especially appropriate (3, Funny)

AtariAmarok (451306) | about 9 years ago | (#13131101)

Especially appropriate, now that the mother of "Oops!" [hp.com] is out of the picture.

Wow. (2, Interesting)

NDPTAL85 (260093) | about 9 years ago | (#13131103)

Looks like Hurd is turning HP into a lean machine to be as focused on products and price as Dell currently is.

Re:Wow. (1, Insightful)

Anonymous Coward | about 9 years ago | (#13131159)

real hard to turn a company around when all your profit comes from the printer business.
Tell Hurl (Hurd) to fire another 100K employees or so and maybe he'll have a profitable rest of his business.

Dude! We Only Need One Dell! (5, Insightful)

blueZhift (652272) | about 9 years ago | (#13131230)

Looks like Hurd is turning HP into a lean machine to be as focused on products and price as Dell currently is.

Sigh...Dell does what it does pretty well, but they are definitely not a company known for much imagination or innovation. They generally follow after someone else has blazed the path, a strategy that must fail once all of the true innovators have been eliminated. We don't really need any more Dells. If HP becomes just like Dell, then why should I buy from them? I might as well buy from Dell.

HP can still succeed, but they need to do so by being HP. Efficiency is good, but not at the expense of the good things that make HP stand out from the crowd and create future opportunities. I think farmers say that you shouldn't eat the seed corn.

Re:Wow. (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 9 years ago | (#13131257)

it's why IBM left...

low cut margins are the game of dell/lenovo/hp now.

me? (-1, Offtopic)

Anonymous Coward | about 9 years ago | (#13131104)

am me the fp?

YOU FAIL IT. (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 9 years ago | (#13131145)

not even close.

HP is dying (1)

faeryman (191366) | about 9 years ago | (#13131105)

don't have to wait for netcraft to confirm it. 15K layoffs announced, and now a true visionary fired. HP is dying.

Re:HP is dying (1)

AutopsyReport (856852) | about 9 years ago | (#13131148)

I think recovering would be a more appropriate word.

Re:HP is dying (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 9 years ago | (#13131248)

Is that as in

"*BSD is dying"

"Apple is dying"

or

"SCO is dying"?

Re:HP is dying (1)

eln (21727) | about 9 years ago | (#13131310)

HP's reputation for innovation is certainly dying. It seems that the current brass at HP is less interested in running the company as an innovator and more interested in running it as a run of the mill seller of commodity hardware. While they may be able to make a living doing this, it puts them in the same company with people like Dell, and makes it seem like Compaq was the one who swallowed HP, and not the other way around.

People at HP have been saying ever since Fiorina got in that the company has lost its way. HP today isn't what HP once was. And while change is necessary for real growth, it seems the brass at HP have cut out all the stuff that made HP a great company, and are content to run it as a merely average player in an overcrowded space.

Something's Fishy (2, Interesting)

bigwavejas (678602) | about 9 years ago | (#13131106)

I wouldn't be surprised if HP Execs got wind of him wanting to resign, so they beat him to it. This would save HP from an embarassing loss (someone jumping ship) and make it look like they were just "cleaning house."

Re:Something's Fishy (1)

dustmite (667870) | about 9 years ago | (#13131177)

Yes, that's why they're cancelling four of the company's research projects, to "save face" when they heard he wanted to resign. Right. I think you might be trying just a little too hard here to be the one to cleverly figure out the "story behind the story" analysis that 'everyone else missed' ;)

Re:Something's Fishy (2, Funny)

bigwavejas (678602) | about 9 years ago | (#13131195)

Sorry John, you're right.. silly me.

Am I still picking you up at bldg 4 in front of HP's cafeteria at 7:30pm tonight?

Google (5, Interesting)

Altanar (56809) | about 9 years ago | (#13131109)

I predict that Google announces that they hired him in a week.

Re:Google (2, Funny)

clone22 (252516) | about 9 years ago | (#13131172)

Then again, he might know the answer to "Why are manhole covers round?"

Re:Google (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 9 years ago | (#13131295)

The correct answer to that question is to say "That begs the question of whether manhole covers are all round."

There are many manhole covers, and other types of covers for roading and tunnels, that are rectangular, square, or other shapes :)

Re:Google (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 9 years ago | (#13131189)

I bet he pseudo-retires to a teaching position and his own startup.

Re:Google (1)

Poltras (680608) | about 9 years ago | (#13131307)

My money on him going in the screwdiver business.

Re:Google (1)

Create an Account (841457) | about 9 years ago | (#13131207)

That was exactly my thought. This, combined with a previous post (They fired him because he was going to quit), seems extremely likely. "The best way to predict the future is to invent it." - Sounds like Google material to me.

Re:Google (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 9 years ago | (#13131317)

And I predict Microsoft will sue them for doing so!

Re:Google (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 9 years ago | (#13131322)

Maybe they hired him last week?

All I can say is... (1)

JrbM689 (896692) | about 9 years ago | (#13131118)

OOPs!

hp.. (1)

haX0rsaw (687063) | about 9 years ago | (#13131123)

fsck hp.

Is Carly Fiorini hiring? (2, Funny)

orthogonal (588627) | about 9 years ago | (#13131126)

Maybe Alan Kay'll be lucky, and Carly Fiorini will hire him for wherever she's going to be CEO next!

I hear she's a wiz at turning companies around!

Oh wait....

Bad Idea (4, Funny)

west.to.east (867173) | about 9 years ago | (#13131130)

Reminds me of the "Bad Idea Jeans" SNL commercial

Not how things work (0, Flamebait)

typical (886006) | about 9 years ago | (#13131132)

Hard to believe HP's cutting him loose.' Maybe Apple will hire him.

Or they might just wait until he comes up with something else revolutionary, swipe it, make it appealing to the masses, and sell it.

And then Microsoft will probably steal *that* and make it appealing to businesses and get even richer.

Re:Not how things work (1)

MrMista_B (891430) | about 9 years ago | (#13131260)

Or, Apple will license and/or buy the idea, and *then* Microsoft will steal it. Again.

Microsoft will hire him!!! (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 9 years ago | (#13131138)

Resistance is futile. You will be assimilated.

bastards!!! (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 9 years ago | (#13131140)

EOT

Microsoft Needs Him (1)

tavilach (715455) | about 9 years ago | (#13131142)

As much as I love OS X, Microsoft needs Kay a lot more than Apple does. If they were to hire him, it'd benefit us all in the long run.

Apple? (0, Redundant)

mahdi13 (660205) | about 9 years ago | (#13131146)

Hard to believe HP's cutting him loose.' Maybe Apple will hire him."
or Google...

Read it while you can! (5, Informative)

ak3ldama (554026) | about 9 years ago | (#13131154)

the HP bio on Alan Kay [hp.com]

Or maybe IBM, Novell or Redhat :-) (2, Insightful)

konmaskisin (213498) | about 9 years ago | (#13131155)

Bidding ware anyone?

Re:Or maybe IBM, Novell or Redhat :-) (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 9 years ago | (#13131272)

Bidding ware? What, like eBay scripts?

Favorite Alan Kay Quotation (5, Funny)

angst_ridden_hipster (23104) | about 9 years ago | (#13131162)

"I invented the term Object-Oriented, and I can tell you I did not have C++ in mind."
- Alan Kay

I don't know if this is a true quotation, or is apocryphal, but it's good enough to throw around at random.

I'm sure Mr. Kay will not have any problem finding a job, should he so desire one. Regardless, I wish him the best of luck.

Re:Favorite Alan Kay Quotation (5, Funny)

Anonymous Coward | about 9 years ago | (#13131217)

Clueless HR Interviewer: "Hmm, yes. You say you invented Object-Oriented Programming? That was how long ago? Ah, I see, but what have you done *lately*"

At which point, the collective hand of all programmers across the world, embodied in Alan Kay's hand, reaches across the table and slaps the shit out of the interviewer.

Not that I'm bitter. :-)

Re:Favorite Alan Kay Quotation (0, Flamebait)

Anonymous Coward | about 9 years ago | (#13131301)

I'm sure Mr. Kay will not have any problem finding a job, should he so desire one. Regardless, I wish him the best of luck.

Except that for the cost of hiring the "father of Object Oriented Programming", you could hire a small army of Indian programmers. When will American programmers learn that they can't expect to keep their overpaid jobs? While being the father of OOP surely adds some "value" to any future employers, I can't expect that to be worth more than $5k or $6k a year.

'quote' (1, Funny)

Anonymous Coward | about 9 years ago | (#13131314)

Patched-up C ought to be enough for anybody!

-- NOT Mr. Bill G.

What's the big fuss? (2, Insightful)

AutopsyReport (856852) | about 9 years ago | (#13131168)

Just because he was a promiment innovator many years ago doesn't imply he is just as innovative now. It's a possibility that HP is letting him go because he isn't innovating or contributing on par with other researchers.

Re:What's the big fuss? (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 9 years ago | (#13131204)

It is also possible HP is letting him go because they do not expect to make any money in invention.

: )

Re:What's the big fuss? (5, Informative)

Dioscorea (821163) | about 9 years ago | (#13131231)

Check out some of his presentations of open croquet before you say that (see e.g. here [lisarein.com] ). He is bringing the kind of OpenGL graphics that gamers have got used to into the mainstream GUI. It is among the most innovative and forward-looking interface development I've seen. Do we really think we'll be dragging windows around a 2D desktop in 30 years time?

Re:What's the big fuss? (1)

be_kul (718053) | about 9 years ago | (#13131327)

full ACK! ... and that's one more reason to think that Google might hurry to hire him and his team. But anyhow - I hope (t)he(y) will have the opportunity to work on without any limits set by stupid companies looking for fast money now and forgetting to see that innovation turns into success now even much faster than it did 20-30 years ago. Therefore, an open-minded Google might be the right place for Kay and his team now.

Re:What's the big fuss? (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 9 years ago | (#13131331)

Pfft. That was already done in Jurassic Park.

Nedry was a genius.

Not hard to believe (1, Insightful)

Anonymous Coward | about 9 years ago | (#13131171)

How old is this guy? How much does he make? How many years until he retires? How many more great ideas can they expect to get out of him in the time he has left?

These are suits. Not nice guys. That's how they think.

Re:Not hard to believe (1)

thrillseeker (518224) | about 9 years ago | (#13131284)

How many more great ideas can they expect to get out of him in the time he has left?

If it's the right idea, all you need is one.

Too Bad (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 9 years ago | (#13131178)

All that intellectual property He came up with, and He still needs a job. Thats typical for engineers isn't it. I hope he was working for the fun of it, and didn't need the money.

Another thing he said (0, Troll)

pointym5 (128908) | about 9 years ago | (#13131179)

At an MIT Media Lab thing back in 1992, I heard Kay say "Stuff that's gonna happen should be part of any prediction of the future." I quote that all the time.

Alan hasn't done anything interesting in years (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 9 years ago | (#13131180)

So why pay someone that's still knee-deep in developing collaboration software in Smalltalk?

Unfortunately... (1)

steelfood (895457) | about 9 years ago | (#13131184)

...research that does not yield immediate or forseeable applications seem to be frowned upon by many businesses nowadays. But then again, it's difficult to say what exactly HP is keeping him for. HP isn't exactly where you'd turn for innovation nowadays.

He was already at Apple. He'll probably go to Google.

What will happen to Teatime and Croquet? (5, Funny)

Dioscorea (821163) | about 9 years ago | (#13131192)

I wonder what will happen to Open Croquet [opencroquet.org] and TeaTime [doebe.li] without his leadership. It does seem as if Croquet has gained quite a bit of open-source momentum by this stage, and is the current best contender for bringing the world of Snow Crash to our desktop.

I just hope development on Croquet doesn't stall now, otherwise us cyberspace-lusting techno-hopefuls will just have to wait for the inevitable (but still hopefully far-off) day where you can open Word documents and Excel spreadsheets from inside World of Warcraft.

Mod Parent Up (1)

handy_vandal (606174) | about 9 years ago | (#13131258)

I wonder what will happen to Open Croquet [opencroquet.org] and TeaTime [doebe.li] without his leadership ... I just hope development on Croquet doesn't stall now, otherwise us cyberspace-lusting techno-hopefuls will just have to wait for the inevitable (but still hopefully far-off) day where you can open Word documents and Excel spreadsheets from inside World of Warcraft.

I wish I had mod points! This is both +Informative and way, way +Funny -- !

-kgj

Smalltalk (5, Informative)

pthisis (27352) | about 9 years ago | (#13131199)

...is the antithesis of the Java B&D philosophy. It's an aggressively dynamically typed language, and is much more of a precursor to Python or Ruby than Java.

Re:Smalltalk (5, Informative)

Concerned Onlooker (473481) | about 9 years ago | (#13131296)

It is also partially what Objective-C is based on. According to the wikipedia entry "the syntax for certain object-oriented features, including message-passing, is borrowed from Smalltalk."

While you say "aggressively dynmically typed" you also remember you always have the option of statically typing.

sad (1)

jafac (1449) | about 9 years ago | (#13131202)

Unfortunately, when HP bent over, and seductively waved it's corporate hieney at Microsoft and Intel, they gave up any chance they had of "inventing the future".

On the bright side, Kay will probably end up getting hired at a real company that wants to actually innovate.

Kay already did work for Apple, (5, Informative)

alangmead (109702) | about 9 years ago | (#13131203)

In between his stints as a Chief Scientist at Atari and a Disney Fellow at Walt Disney Imagineering, he was an Apple Fellow. (his bio on O'Reilly.com [oreillynet.com] has more info.)

That is why the Squeak license still mentions Apple

wtf is hp thinking? (1)

hot_Karls_bad_cavern (759797) | about 9 years ago | (#13131205)

... or are they?

Wow. This is just, wow. I wish however is in control these days would spin off the "real hp" into a company unto its own and let the hp we see now continue its moronic quest to mirror Dell. Keep getting rid of the things that made hp and they'll kill hp for good, or at least debase it to a lame Dell knockoff. Sad to see it get this low.

Alan Kay Videos explaning early GUI research (5, Informative)

interrupt75 (230702) | about 9 years ago | (#13131211)

There are some excellent videos on archive.org of Alan Kay explaining some of the early GUI projects (including Xerox and the early laptop "prototype") http://www.archive.org/details/AlanKeyD1987 [archive.org] http://www.archive.org/details/AlanKeyD1987_2 [archive.org]

HP doesn't need Kay. (3, Insightful)

standards (461431) | about 9 years ago | (#13131220)

HP doesn't need innovators like Kay. HP is totally into innovating new ways to make money off of printer consumables, and that isn't an expertise that Kay brings to the table.

HP's downfall started to happen as soon as they started selling tons of LaserJet printers.

From there, HP seemed to take a little break and brought nothing new to market. Instead of making great new products, they kept on milking the same printer lines until they got old, crusty, and expensive to operate. They tried to do the same thing with their PC line. They unloaded or failed to focus on their other product lines.

I haven't bought an HP product in years. My ex-girlfriend bought an HP inkjet printer, but it failed quickly and the consumables were ridiculously expensive. It just didn't seem like an HP quality product to me.

So HP fired Alan Kay? That's good for Alan. Because who wants to work for an ink-n-toner company?

Laptop? (4, Interesting)

fm6 (162816) | about 9 years ago | (#13131221)

He envisioned a laptop computer long before the first ones rolled out...
Kay's Dynabook concept was more like a PDA or tablet than a laptop. Though more powerful than any of these. What he was really doing was trying to imagine what computing would be like when it was totally pervasive, and had completely replaced low-tech means of accessing and using information.

On that basis, the rest of us still haven't caught up with him! Things like GUIs, portable computers, wireless networking, and the web are all steps towards the future he envisioned. But that future is still a long ways away.

awesome (1)

tbulka (900587) | about 9 years ago | (#13131224)

They will probably keep all the six sigma blackbelts because they are totally sweet! [charter.net]

mod points be damned (3, Insightful)

necrognome (236545) | about 9 years ago | (#13131227)

I'll post instead of mod, but I think that /. should nix the HP logo. The entity known as "HP" is currently undeserving of any relation to the Hewlett-Packard legacy of computing, innovation, research, precision devices, calculators!, and, yes, printers. "HP" is really just a printer company now. Change the /. icon to a LaserJet or something, but "Hewlett-Packard" it's not. Okay, I have more b33r to drink...

Just a brand (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 9 years ago | (#13131232)

Now when you buy HP, all you are buying is just a brand.

What if...Novell gets him? (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 9 years ago | (#13131250)

Novell could get him to join the MONO or the QT branch. That would revolutionalise the OSS OOP tools.
But I bet that HP will...outsource his projects to India.

Re:What if...Novell gets him? (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 9 years ago | (#13131306)

Not to mention that they do need experts in GUIs and in HCI to improve the slopynesses in KDE and in GNOME

Objective-C (1)

minus_273 (174041) | about 9 years ago | (#13131252)

his Smalltalk programming language was a predecessor to Sun Microsystems' Java

Strange that it doesnt mention Objective-C given how heavily it is used in OSX development

Re:Objective-C (-1, Troll)

Anonymous Coward | about 9 years ago | (#13131300)

I wonder WHY? *

* Objective-C is brain-dead

Golden parachute! Golden parachute! (2, Informative)

jsse (254124) | about 9 years ago | (#13131261)

Layoff 15,000 Employees [slashdot.org] , shut down user group [slashdot.org] , now firing key persons in R&D.....even the dumbest employee could tell what's in their CEO Carly's mind - cutting as much cost as possible, create a artificial short-term profit hype, so that she can retreat with huge severance package for her 'accomplishment'; but what'd that leave HP? A living hell of disolation, without any competitive edge to continue their business as usual.

How could the board approve of her action which is obviously doing nothing more than achieving her own personal goal while damaging the company as a whole? Unless, of course, the major investors who back Carly approve of this. I cannot tell for sure, but that's very possible - the major investors believe that HP is doomed.

Re:Golden parachute! Golden parachute! (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 9 years ago | (#13131278)

Carly is no longer the CEO of HP.

Re:Golden parachute! Golden parachute! (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 9 years ago | (#13131305)

you do realize that they fired ms. carly little while back, yes?

What's he done in the past 30 years? (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 9 years ago | (#13131263)

Don't get me wrong, I would MAKE a place in my company for Alan Kay. But he's famous for work he did in the late 1960s. What's he been up to since then?

It may be that he's not such a huge loss after all, or it may be that I just haven't been paying attention. But I would like to know one way or the other. Somebody fill me in.

Great guy... (1)

bobalu (1921) | about 9 years ago | (#13131268)

...but let's face it, what has he done for them lately? There are a lot of people out there riding on their reputations (like um, me for instance), my guess is they realized they could save a half million a year and not really lose that much.

Because there are all these open-source guys who will do it for the recognition... (ducking for cover :-))

Darth Kay (1)

putko (753330) | about 9 years ago | (#13131270)

If tomorrow he takes a job in Redmond, will he suddenly become "Darth" Kay?

Or maybe he should bootstrap his own ? (1)

kimanaw (795600) | about 9 years ago | (#13131275)

I see lots of predictions wrt Mr. Kay's future employer. For someone of his intellect, experience, rep, and age, I'd think he'd be ready to bootstrap his own. He certainly shouldn't have difficulty getting VC's to pay attention. And if he isn't willing to bootstrap his own, it may explain his various "jobhops" of late, and HP's relative indifference to losing him.

"The only way for evil to prevail is if good men do nothing"

alan kay - winner of some minor prize in CS (5, Informative)

craig.larman (901716) | about 9 years ago | (#13131285)

i can understand that it's really too trivial to have mentioned in his Bio intro, but Alan Kay also won some minor award recently -- think it's called the TURING AWARD. i can't imagine why anyone would want to employ such a slacker. http://internetnews.com/dev-news/article.php/33425 11/ [internetnews.com] -craig

Alan Kay -- (1)

sillivalley (411349) | about 9 years ago | (#13131286)

HP didn't want Alan Kay's work, they wanted his name, and the prestige associated.

Acronym Collision (3, Funny)

Mr_Icon (124425) | about 9 years ago | (#13131289)

Harry Potter fires the father of the Order Of the Phoenix? Wha?

...

OH.

HP selling out (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 9 years ago | (#13131290)

Management is well on the way reducing HP to nothing more than another repackager and shipper of Chinese-manufactured hardware pre-loaded with Microsoft software. Next they'll spin off their instrumentation division in order to "boost shareholder equity" or some such. Someday, in the not too distant future, when the hollow shell of HP gets purchased for chump change by the Chinese companies currently building their products, none of us should be surprised.

Re:HP selling out (1)

RobKow (1787) | about 9 years ago | (#13131343)

HP already has spun off the test and measurement division (cf. Agilent).

Boycott HP.. Horrible company (5, Insightful)

Anonymous Coward | about 9 years ago | (#13131291)

HP laid off 15k workers, but is currently heavily recruiting engineers in India and China. Just take a look at the Job section on hp.com.

HP has obviously abandoned the USA and it's time we abandon this dying company.

Talk about (1)

gronkulator (119289) | about 9 years ago | (#13131311)

eating your seed corn. Or more appropriately, throwing it in the garbage.

Smalltalk (1)

elgee (308600) | about 9 years ago | (#13131326)

Smalltalk by Parc Place Systems was my favorite language/programming environment of all time. Alan Kay will alsways be a hero to me.

I am sure he will get a super great job somewhere.

Hope his fame helps (1)

DrCode (95839) | about 9 years ago | (#13131329)

...otherwise, I can imagine him being screened out from all kinds of jobs because he hasn't used the latest version of VisualC++ or Java.
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