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Thompson Goes After Sims 2 Nudity

Zonk posted more than 9 years ago | from the argh-my-brain dept.

Censorship 243

magicbond_007 writes "Miami lawyer Jack Thompson is at it again, this time with something above and beyond absurd. Gamestop is reporting that Thompson has accused The Sims 2 of contain obscene material. From the article: 'In the statement, Thompson says, "Sims 2, the latest version of the Sims video game franchise ... contains, according to video game news sites, full frontal nudity, including nipples, penises, labia, and pubic hair."' At this rate kids won't be able to play Mario because Princess Peach is dressed too slutty."

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In the wake of Hot Coffee (3, Insightful)

darkmayo (251580) | more than 9 years ago | (#13139789)

Who didnt see this coming.

Re:In the wake of Hot Coffee (3, Interesting)

Anonymous Coward | more than 9 years ago | (#13139905)

I saw it coming.

There's been patches for some time that get rid of the dithering. This really isn't much different than Hot Coffee -- the content is there, just someone going out of their way to get rid of the dithering. Or in the event that certain parts of the anatomy aren't that detailed, who's to say there aren't patches which change the character models, or apply different textures?

Whether or not this gets covered by the media at all will be interesting to see -- the Sims is much, much more tame in nature than GTA. The Sims is akin to "playing house" more than anything.

it's for the best... (5, Funny)

ajservo (708572) | more than 9 years ago | (#13139822)

I wouldn't let my sims bathe or potty anyway.

Awesome (0, Offtopic)

aronparsons23 (896700) | more than 9 years ago | (#13139832)

freaking sick yo! i'm sick! /. rulez yo!

Boycott! (4, Funny)

simcop2387 (703011) | more than 9 years ago | (#13139833)

I am boycotting this author for his obscene usage of the word penis in sexual situations, won't somebody think of the children?! He's exposing them to suggestive language thats even worse than pictures!

Wait a sec.. (1)

Gamingboy (901447) | more than 9 years ago | (#13139847)

Sims 2 has been a game that I have wanted to buy but never got around to yet. So I might be wrong here, but does ANYONE see a nudity cheat on gamefaqs: http://www.gamefaqs.com/computer/doswin/code/91481 1.html [gamefaqs.com] ?

Re:Wait a sec.. (5, Informative)

Soul-Burn666 (574119) | more than 9 years ago | (#13139908)

Yes.
intprop censorgridsize 0 Takes off censoring

Re:Wait a sec.. (4, Insightful)

sgant (178166) | more than 9 years ago | (#13140375)

But you don't see anything like pubic hair or nipples or anything with this cheat, you have to go out of your way to download a skin that has all these things...much like a nude skin for UT2004 or Quake or whatever.

This isn't a secret cheat or anything that was left in the code like San Andreas.

Re:Wait a sec.. (1, Insightful)

Khakionion (544166) | more than 9 years ago | (#13140512)

And we all know that going out of your way to download a modification [gamespot.com] doesn't qualify as being part of the game. Oh, wait...

Re:Wait a sec.. (2, Insightful)

sgant (178166) | more than 9 years ago | (#13140877)

But the difference is THAT was in GTA:SA no matter what the developers said. This is different as Sims2 has been out for quite a while now and everyone knows that this isn't something that you can just unlock and automatically get nipple rings and pubic hair.

I mean, there was a mod in the original Sims too that does this exact same thing.

Should we also put warning labels on Poser too? I mean, those are totally NAKED people with genitals and everything on that! And you can...gasp...use them to draw dirty pictures and paintings!

Faints...

Re:Wait a sec.. (-1, Troll)

Anonymous Coward | more than 9 years ago | (#13140862)

(-1, Moron) for you

Attack on barbies? (3, Funny)

Punboy (737239) | more than 9 years ago | (#13139853)

I have the feeling, based on his barbie and ken comments towards the end, that he is going to attack the entire Barbie line next. No, its not a bloody admission that "ken and barbie features" shouldn't be displayed, its put there for comical value. Its funny to see things blurred out.

Re:Attack on barbies? (1)

ajservo (708572) | more than 9 years ago | (#13139889)

If not for Ken and Barbie dolls how else will girls learn about how to change men to their liking?

It's all female empowerment, man...

Re:Attack on barbies? (1)

Punboy (737239) | more than 9 years ago | (#13139952)

I was actually expecting you to say something like: If not for Ken and Barbie dolls, how else will girls learn how to undress their men?

Re:Attack on barbies? (4, Funny)

ArsonSmith (13997) | more than 9 years ago | (#13139993)

Ken just helps men with small penises to not be such a shock when a woman first sees it. After all if they are use to seeing Ken, even a small one should be enough.

Re:Attack on barbies? (2, Funny)

Anonymous Coward | more than 9 years ago | (#13140200)

Ken just helps men with small penises to not be such a shock when a woman first sees it. After all if they are use to seeing Ken, even a small one should be enough.

Well then, the incredible hulk is certainly no friend of (y)ours:

http://www.toyz.org/mrblog/archives/00000026.html [toyz.org]

Re:Attack on barbies? (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 9 years ago | (#13140795)

Only two inches? I don't think men with small penises have anything to worry about.

I would have thought the hulk would be bigger than that. Not that I think about the incredible hulk in that sort of way, honestly.

Re:Attack on barbies? (1)

dpilot (134227) | more than 9 years ago | (#13140039)

"The John Varley Reader", a collection of short stories by John Varley. Specifically, "The Barbie Murders," pp119-145.

Not really giving anything away... a future cult who believes that individuality is bad. So they all try to make themselves the same - patterned after the One True Being - Barbie. Down to the point that they get a sex change if needed, the breasts are all the same size - with no nipples. Other parts are pruned as much as biologically possible to resemble Barbie. They spread by evangelizm, not reproduction.

Re:Attack on barbies? (2, Insightful)

thegrassyknowl (762218) | more than 9 years ago | (#13140415)

This author is a twonk.. first GTA then The Sims2. I mean, really... The GTA Hot Coffee thing was probably in the game, but it was never intended to be accessible. I bet they just plain forgot it was there anyway. If twonkbrain hadn't made such a fuss about it then a good many people would never have known about it.

It can't be the game maker's fault if people hack their software to make it do things they didn't intend.

Now to attack the Sims 2. This guy is sad. Does he not have a girlfriend? What other possible reason could he have for going looking in videogames for nude people?

And for the comment about paedofiles being able to "rehearse in virtual reality". Bah... that is a throwaway line put in there to prove that he diesn't have a clue and he only wants to invoke the fear response to make people do what he wants them to.

You can make anyone do anything these days by mentinoning the kiddy fiddlers or the terrorists.

What's next? Pick on some of the war games becasue you can join the "enemy" and play against the US players? Does that encourage terrorism? It must. We should ban all those games too because they teach tactical bombing skills that can be used against the US.

The world is really a sad place. Where's my BFG and a nice solid wall... it's time to respawn!

Hmmm (4, Insightful)

kenp2002 (545495) | more than 9 years ago | (#13139863)

Wow and after how many seasons of NYPD, Nip and Tuck, Sopranos, Hill Street Blues, The Shield, South Park, anything ever made by Aaron Spelling, Buffy, OC, and 90% of network prime time, and the News I nearly forgot about the evil Sims game poisoning the minds of our youth as the grade school cheerleaders are fucking bump-and-grinding in competitions with songs Like BARBIE GIRL and role models like Spears and Aguleria. Jebus Fucking Rice man I almost forgot about stories of incest, pedophelia, suicide, demonic possession, homosexual identity crises, and murder from that sick pervert fuck Shakespeare. Thank God we censored such static works as Milton's Paradise Lost and Dante's Inferno from tainting our children with such sick visions of people with their head up their asses. THANK YOU GOVERNMENT FROM SHIELDING US FORM OBVIOUS LAZY FUCKING PARENTS THAT ARE SO ILL EQUIPPED TO DISCIPLINE THEIR CHILDREN FEAR THEY'LL GET SUED BY THEM FOR DEPRIVING THEM ACCESS TO SUCH OFFENSIVE CONTENT.

Oh I can solve the problem....

TURN THE FUCKING TV OFF!

Re:Hmmm (4, Insightful)

Punboy (737239) | more than 9 years ago | (#13139925)

While I agree with you in the fact that a majority of these parents who are complaining need to take things into their own hands, you should really try approaching the way you say things in a calmer, less... abrasive manner. For example: Its funny how after so many season of high-rated TV shows (NYPD, Nip and Tuck, Sopranos, Hill Street Blues, The Shield, South Park, anything ever made by Aaron Spelling, Buffy, OC, and 90% of network prime time, and the News), they seem to be attacking video games. These are the things that seem to be "poisoning our youth". Things have gotten so bad that cheerleaders in gradeschool are actually being taught to dance suggestively. The parents actually ENCOURAGE this sort of behavior. The parents are also buying their kids video games (like San Anreas) without even paying attention to what it is. It seems to me that parents today want the government to raise their kids, and want no part in their upbringing whatsoever. I personally think that the government needs to lessen restrictions, and put some responsibility on the parents for a change.

Negative Influence? (1)

J23SE (107309) | more than 9 years ago | (#13140113)

In all fairness... have you seen the hot tub 'whoopee' that the sims have? Now *that* is obscene.

Jesus, if I could bend that way... I'm not gonna type any more or I will corrupt children reading this.

Re:Negative Influence? (1)

vandon (233276) | more than 9 years ago | (#13140330)

<sarcasm>I'm a parent and I'm going to complain to the FCC, Hillary, or whoever in the government will listen to me about /.

I've seen /. posts with filthy language, racism, sexual innuendo, extreme right AND extreme left ideas, and all kinds of links to hacking, porn, how to hack porn, how to hack games for porn, porn games, and goatse.
My kid could hop on the computer at any time and go to this disgusting site. There's no protections or ratings anywhere!</sarcasm>

There once was a time when parents were involved in their kid's lives. Now they just put them in front of the tv or computer and let the great electronic nannies(or is it nannys?) take over. Then, it's the broadcaster's fault when they watch a TV-PG/MA show. Why don't parents take responsibility for raising their own children any more and instead blame everyone else for their mistakes?

OH NOES (0, Troll)

hobotron (891379) | more than 9 years ago | (#13139873)


mi blurries hide teh nudity!!1 GIMME LAWYRZ PLX!!1

Why attack? (2, Interesting)

77Punker (673758) | more than 9 years ago | (#13139891)

I know his claims are probably untrue about The Sims 2, but I'd just like to take this moment to say that I really like nudity and gratuitous violence and I don't even look at the ratings aside from the occasional curiosity.

Once again, guess whose job it really is to keep some of my favorite games away from the kids? It's the job of the parents.
Before I had my driver's license (4 years ago), I was limited in what games I could buy because my parents would always be nearby and strictly limited what I was allowed to get. I didn't like it, but I'd never fault them for it. As soon as I got my driver's license, I could get whatever I wanted.

The idea I'd really like to put across here is that no matter what you do to a game, if you have a car and can go places on your own, you can buy almost whatever you want.
No store policies or lawsuits or censorship will ever (and should never) prevent the market from bringing customers what they want; it's always gonna be up to parents to have an effective hand in what their kids are exposed to.

Re:Why attack? (1)

ArsonSmith (13997) | more than 9 years ago | (#13140019)

You have to look at the ratings. It's usually the first thing that comes up.

rated Blah blah for
  • extreme violence
  • sexual situations
  • adult language
  • nudity


All the ingredients for a good movie.

Re:Why attack? (1)

Babbster (107076) | more than 9 years ago | (#13140773)

Coincidentally, I strongly advocate not letting anyone drive a car until they're 18.

Re:Why attack? (1)

77Punker (673758) | more than 9 years ago | (#13140900)

Setting all of the age limits to the same age would solve many a problem, wouldn't it?

This just in (5, Funny)

Joe the Lesser (533425) | more than 9 years ago | (#13139897)

People have sexual organs.

Censor parent... (2, Funny)

Anonymous Coward | more than 9 years ago | (#13140338)

better censor the parent message. kids might read it and find out!

Re:Censor parent... (3, Funny)

snuf23 (182335) | more than 9 years ago | (#13140681)

Yeah it's bad enough when they look down their pants and figure it out!

Re:This just in (4, Funny)

macrom (537566) | more than 9 years ago | (#13140694)

Except the people on Slashdot. Most of them are Unix.

Re:This just in (5, Insightful)

Anonymous Coward | more than 9 years ago | (#13140864)

You make a very good point, actually.

Go back to the GTA:SA thing. The problem was they found out that between psycopathically antisocial mass murdering rampages you can have consensual sex. SEX....the reason we are all here on this earth! It will corrupt the kids....the sex that is, not the senseless violence and mass murder of police and bystander alike.

It's all so freaking absurd.

Please, oh please (1)

bersl2 (689221) | more than 9 years ago | (#13139901)

Won't a baseball bat coincidentally land on his head with such force that he become incapacitated and conveniently forget all about this prude shit (that doubtlessly is poised to make him a pretty penny)?

Re:Please, oh please (1)

Terminal Saint (668751) | more than 9 years ago | (#13140756)

All the times I've wanted to hurt him, I remind myself that since I'm a gamer it would probably just make him happy.

yeah there is (1)

Xac (841406) | more than 9 years ago | (#13139907)

Half way down
intprop censorgridsize 0 Takes off censoring

still his claims are absolute BS, the only way u can see nudity in the Sims is with mods. and it is not the fault of the programmers that it can be done.

hell i can think of about 20 pc games that can be modded to have nude characters and no one (as of yet) has complained about it.

Re:yeah there is (1)

thegrassyknowl (762218) | more than 9 years ago | (#13140475)

I can think of games that could be modded from way back when half of the little slashdotters were barely dirty thought in their daddy's head.

Wolfenstein 3D
Doom
Doom2
Duke Nukem

And that is just off the top of my head.

There were 3rd party editors and people put whatever content in there that they wanted. Duke Nukem had some prostitutes and erotic dancers in it at the best of times. You could add the entire playboy bunny line with a simple mod that was freely available from just about every BBS (www.bbsdocumentary.com for those who don't know what a BBS is) that I used.

We made a model of my high school in doom and put in photos of teachers as the monsters. It was cute. That doesn't mean that I wanted to go and kill everyone.

Nobody complained back then. Why complain now?

Re:yeah there is (1)

88NoSoup4U88 (721233) | more than 9 years ago | (#13140569)

hell i can think of about 20 pc games that can be modded to have nude characters and no one (as of yet) has complained about it.

I'm gonna draw the line when someone releases a naked skin of that fat-zombie-dude from Doom 3 *shudders*

... But Graphic Violence is just fine. (5, Insightful)

Mr.Phil (128836) | more than 9 years ago | (#13139930)

What a great society we Americans have these days. I can watch what is basically Crime Scene Porn on the major networks any night of the week I want, see countless murders happen on TV, and basically dismember characters in pretty much any video game I want to, watch more than simulated sex acts on cable, and listen to some pretty graphic swearing on television.

But God help us if little Bobbie might have seen a blur on some "sim" in the tub. We already know if s/he wants to see anything of the sort, their hitting all the free super link porno sites anyway.

What is behind this outcry is the fact that most kids have these games and parents are finding that "Gee, I must be a lousy parent because I didn't know that my kids could do this and frankly didn't care because the distraction kept my kids quiet. I'll pretend to be horrified at this so that other people don't think I'm a bad parent, while I really couldn't care less."

Let's put it this way. My son saw more graphic sex in the gorilla house on a recent visit to the zoo than is possible in these games. Quick, let's make the zoo "AO" and fine the zookeepers for not having warnings that the critters might get jiggy.

Can't wait for the next "important social issue" to come up. It's going to be the horrors of chunky peanut butter or some such tripe.

*sigh*

Re:... But Graphic Violence is just fine. (1)

chromaphobic (764362) | more than 9 years ago | (#13140021)

Can't wait for the next "important social issue" to come up. It's going to be the horrors of chunky peanut butter or some such tripe.

Frighteningly enough, we've already been there [fortmilltimes.com] , done that [washingtonpost.com] . Parents have sued to have anyhting containing peanuts removed from school menus because their children are allergic, even wanting to ban children from bringing in anything with peanuts in it in their lunches. Succeeded too, in some cases.

Re:... But Graphic Violence is just fine. (1)

Nasarius (593729) | more than 9 years ago | (#13140303)

Parents have sued to have anyhting containing peanuts removed from school menus because their children are allergic, even wanting to ban children from bringing in anything with peanuts in it in their lunches. Succeeded too, in some cases.

I have to say, I sympathize. I have been to schools and other places where there's no indication that something contains peanuts. Almost died a couple of times because of it. There's usually no reason for a school to stop serving peanuts entirely (though a strong wiff of peanut oil can cause a reaction, mind you), but not even bothering to indicate what things contain peanuts is just fucking irresponsible. I've written some nasty letters.

Re:... But Graphic Violence is just fine. (1)

chromaphobic (764362) | more than 9 years ago | (#13140618)

I can see stopping the use of peanut oil, and even clearly labeling items that have peanuts in them. That's fine, there are a lot of kids who have peanut allergies, many very severe. I can even see the school deciding to simply not serve anything with peanuts in it, especially if they know of students with said allergies. But, to go so far as to tell kids they can't bring a peanut butter & jelly sandwich to school is a bit much.

Re:... But Graphic Violence is just fine. (1)

Bitsy Boffin (110334) | more than 9 years ago | (#13140918)

Way OT, but...

So, when you were a primary (elementary?) school kid you never shared your lunch? Never swapped sandwiches? Never been given a piece of chocolate by a mate?

Kids don't understand, and even if they did they may not realise the food they are sharing may contain traces of peanut, even the smallest bit can send an allergic person into a very serious situation.

It's a school's job to provide a safe environment for all the children in it's charge. It's not just that some allergic kids "might get a bit sick" if they inadvertadly, or because they are too young to know, eat peanut products, but that THOSE KIDS CAN DIE. I think that is a serious enough consequence to demand the banning of peanut products from schools.

Re:... But Graphic Violence is just fine. (1)

Flunitrazepam (664690) | more than 9 years ago | (#13140670)

"their hitting all the free super link porno sites a"

link plz

Re:... But Graphic Violence is just fine. (2, Informative)

daVinci1980 (73174) | more than 9 years ago | (#13140769)

I realize that it's hip to bash on Americans these days--especially if one is an American. Hell, I've done it [slashdot.org] . But in this case, it's not America that has the problem, it's one asshole lawyer from Florida: Jack Thompson [blogspot.com]

Do a google search [google.com] for him [cbsnews.com] .

Jack isn't just against nudity, mind you. He's out to convince everyone that video games are a direct product of satan himself. He deplores pretty much every aspect of video games, and isn't afraid to link pretty much anything to them. It won't be long now, and he'll be telling us that games cause cancer and explosive diarrhea.

I can't believe it, but for once, I'm actually rooting for the evil empire [ea.com] .

Uhhhhh... (4, Funny)

rexstuff (899058) | more than 9 years ago | (#13139944)

From the article:
"'This is no different than what is in San Andreas, although worse.'"

So somehow it's worse without actually being any different? I'm confused...

Re:Uhhhhh... (1)

Punboy (737239) | more than 9 years ago | (#13140237)

The Sims 2 is rated T for Teen instead of M for Mature. That makes is "worse". But this really just shows that this guy downloaded a nudie skin mod.

OMG BAN MODS!!!! (2, Insightful)

darkmayo (251580) | more than 9 years ago | (#13139959)

So on one hand we have GTA:SA a previous M rated game that involved various criminal acts and whatnot which had in its code a game where there is "OMG SEX" and badly simulated at that but was disabled and not available for whatever reason until some reasourceful people who where going through the PC version discovered it and using a patch, re-enable it.

(you can wax philosphy all day long about if it was meant to be found yadda yadda)

and then you have the SIMS2 which has various acts of living in your house flirting baby making and alien abductions.. which resourceful people can create various household items such and decorations outfits and skins for which may or may not have giant throbbin cocks or whatever on them.

One had the content and skins already in

The other has the skins and content created by the player..

We know the differences between the two, but who wants to guess which way the media, politicians and other twats like Thompson are going to go.

This could be a good thing (2, Insightful)

Fr05t (69968) | more than 9 years ago | (#13140727)

"We know the differences between the two, but who wants to guess which way the media, politicians and other twats like Thompson are going to go."

Yup, and this garbage lawsuit is going to helpfully undo some of the harm to the game industry and expose these idiots as just that.

Here is what will happen: Hype - a week from now there will be a story about this on every blog, paper, tv station, and radio station.

Eventually this thing will either make it to court or not even go that far before it is thrown out. It will clearly highlight how ridiculous these zealots are.

Then next time someone starts crying wolf media outlets will hopefully take things with a grain of salt after being made to look so foolish. (I'm not sure if that will get me +1 insightful, or +1 funny)

Ban Ken and Barbie (2, Insightful)

LightForce3 (450105) | more than 9 years ago | (#13139961)

If we're to follow Thompson's reasoning, won't the actual Ken and Barbie dolls (and others like them) have to be banned? If a human figure without genitals can't be shown on a computer screen, then why are we allowing our children playing with actual physical representations?

And what about dolls of Barbie's little sister? Also a dirty tool for the pedophile that probably lives next door!

Thompson is a Grade A Moron.

whew! (4, Funny)

np_bernstein (453840) | more than 9 years ago | (#13139975)

for I second I thought that said "Dave Thomas". Thank god it's not; it would be horrible to hear about the founder of a fast food chain being resurected and going after anyone, even if it is EA. Remember kids: zombies are never fun to play with.

Re:whew! (1)

DarkHelmet (120004) | more than 9 years ago | (#13140865)

Of course he wasn't resurrected! They ground up his body parts and put it in the chili!

</joke>

How horrible (1)

AstrumPreliator (708436) | more than 9 years ago | (#13139983)

How dare EA publish this filth. Seeing a blurred out 1 inch virtual person naked could have devastating effects on a teenager. They might join a nudist colony which is very socially unacceptable (aside from the fact that we're born naked). Hell, maybe they will pick up that horrible habbit of showering while nude, or having sexual intercourse in the buff; they might even stop going to the bathroom fully clothed. Heaven forbid they do these completely unnatural things.

This guy is a media whore and I actively support the strengthening of the human gene pool by 'mysteriously' getting rid of him.

Oh no! Naked dolls! (1)

chphilli (885315) | more than 9 years ago | (#13139986)

From TFA
The blur is an admission that even the 'Ken and Barbie' features should not be displayed
How many teens haven't seen a naked doll at one point or another? I don't think my sister nor myself were particularly harmed by her inability to keep her toys clothed.

Ricockulous.

ERm (0)

NanoGator (522640) | more than 9 years ago | (#13139997)

" At this rate kids won't be able to play Mario because Princess Peach is dressed too slutty."

Oh yeah, because Nintendo's been leading the charge for the last 20 years to reveal more skin in video games. Great example, Mr. Dumas.

Re:ERm (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 9 years ago | (#13140069)

You wouldn't think so, but I was surprised when I got to the end of Paper Mario on GameCube. Really gave a new meaning to 1UP.

Nintendo, hang your head in shame [lazysonofabitch.net] .

Peach is such a tramp.

Re:ERm (1)

lightspawn (155347) | more than 9 years ago | (#13140246)

> "At this rate kids won't be able to play Mario because Princess Peach is dressed too slutty."

Oh yeah, because Nintendo's been leading the charge for the last 20 years to reveal more skin in video games.


Well, in all fairness, she does appear in a shower scene in Paper Mario: The Thousand Year Door.

Re:ERm (1)

NanoGator (522640) | more than 9 years ago | (#13140486)

Overrated...? C'mon, guys. It's not an insult to Nintendo to say that they aren't huge fans of nudity in video games. We will NEVER see a slutty Princess Peach. No offense to be had here, it's Nintendo's way.

and... (-1, Troll)

Anonymous Coward | more than 9 years ago | (#13139998)


did you know that you can put 2 chicks having sex ?

last time i played sims i lived with 3 chicks :D

quite a feat avoiding fights when everyone is in love with each other...

So you want to protect the children, huh? (5, Insightful)

Anonymous Coward | more than 9 years ago | (#13140010)

So you want to protect the children, is that what you're saying? Are you saying that children are protected by being taught that sex and sexual organs are morally wrong?

This kind of skewed view of life just kills me. Ultimately, this will just do more damage to children. They'll feel guilty about their bodies! That is just plain twisted.

Fuck these politicians. Revolt.

Re:So you want to protect the children, huh? (1)

Oracle of Bandwidth (528405) | more than 9 years ago | (#13140135)

No offense to you, but the human body is disgusting. Covering up is common decency.

Re:So you want to protect the children, huh? (1)

Nasarius (593729) | more than 9 years ago | (#13140317)

No offense to you, but the human body is disgusting.

Speak for yourself ;-)

Re:So you want to protect the children, huh? (1)

VGR (467274) | more than 9 years ago | (#13140331)

No, it's Victorian Christian decency. There is no evidence that the image of a nude human body has ever harmed a child of any age. If that were the case, every kid who's ever been to a nudist resort would be a frothing psychopath.

Mature, sane people already know this.

Re:So you want to protect the children, huh? (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 9 years ago | (#13140519)

the human body is disgusting

Yours might be, but must aren't. You're just repeating the tripe that has been fed to you. You must be one of them!

*strips naked and runs away screaming*

Re:So you want to protect the children, huh? (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 9 years ago | (#13140652)

No offense to you, but the human body is disgusting.

No offense to Christians, but the Christian faith is disgusting. It should be silenced by force of law. Are you happy with that, or do you see the free speech issue here yet, now that the analogy is clearer?

Covering up is common decency.

Keep silent about your twisted little religious beliefs is common decency, too. Find me a faith who does that, and I'll be quite happy.

At least nudists don't talk about taking metaphorical baths in sheep blood, like all those gross televangelists out there. I've never washed with the blood of any sheep, lamb, goat, or anything else, much less "been washed in the blood of the Holy Lamb of God".

And, on behalf of normal people everywhere, let me be the first to say: "Eeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeewwwwwwwww!"
--
AC

Jeez, I'm not sure what you mean... (2, Insightful)

Irish_Samurai (224931) | more than 9 years ago | (#13140040)

In the past, he's represented defendants who have been the victims of GTA-inspired crimes, including the triple homicide of three police officers by an 18-year-old boy in Alabama.

What does this mean? He thought the killer was a victim because he played GTA and then killed officers? Or were the officers sued postehumously?

"much to the delight, one can be sure, of pedophiles around the globe who can rehearse, in virtual reality, for their abuse."

WTF? You don't seem to be fighting this. [yale.edu] You are an ambulance chasing asshat.

Oh, ye puritans (3, Funny)

J23SE (107309) | more than 9 years ago | (#13140057)

A guy of his caliber probably restricts his own access to his nipples, penises, labia, and pubic hair.

Otherwise, how else would he be such a shining beacon of moral righteousness and overall upstanding citizenry? We must all repent; We're not worthy.

Re:Oh, ye puritans (1)

TeknoHog (164938) | more than 9 years ago | (#13140587)

A guy of his caliber probably restricts his own access to his nipples, penises, labia, and pubic hair.

His labia? :-o

Hmmm. Never was interested in the Sims Before (1)

Arcane_Rhino (769339) | more than 9 years ago | (#13140061)

Maybe I will go pick up a copy.

I'm rooting Thompson (3, Insightful)

Anm (18575) | more than 9 years ago | (#13140080)

...to make an ass out of himself. I'm hoping an attack like this gets some public attention and >>hopefully the public is smart enough to realize the claim is baseless and he looses credibility and support for all future claims.

I can hope, can't I?

Anm

Another reason....... (2, Interesting)

Xac (841406) | more than 9 years ago | (#13140084)

Why Japan is better.

In Japan, violence is shunned and sexuality is popuarlized.
Some may see the men of Japan as perverted, but at least the sexual rape percentage in tokyo is lower than the death rate by guns in Washington D.C

make love, not war.

I would not be surprised if Thopmson goes after WOW next, because of the Female Night Elf dance.

Re:Another reason....... (1)

Monkeman (827301) | more than 9 years ago | (#13140794)

"Sexual rape"? As opposed to what?

I think I speak for everyone... (5, Insightful)

Soul-Burn666 (574119) | more than 9 years ago | (#13140090)

when I say:
FOR FUCK'S SAKE, WHAT'S YOUR DAMN PROBLEM?!

Yes i'm yelling. What's wrong with people?! How the fuck will banning the sims "protect the children"?!

In Europe nudity is not considered "bad", in Japan it's not considered "bad".
Hell, I saw some European commercials showing full nudity, in not too late hours.
In Japan the whole genre of adult games is a huge business and they sell for PC and consoles.

Only in the US and Muslim countries nudity is considered a really bad thing.
And what do we get? The population explodes, full of STDs, unwanted pregnancy and so on.

So. GET A FUCKING GRIP ON YOURSELF! SEX IS NOT BAD. NUDITY IS NOT BAD. IT'S ONLY THE NATURAL THING.

Is Japan really all that great? (1)

Henry V .009 (518000) | more than 9 years ago | (#13140557)

Before positing Japan as the beacon of enlightened thought on sex, do a Google search for something called "Enjo Kosai."

Re:Is Japan really all that great? (1)

Soul-Burn666 (574119) | more than 9 years ago | (#13140744)

EnKou (girls "escorting" older men so they finance them) has nothing to do with the subject.
It's a fact that they teach about sex in school. It's a fact that they have nudity in normal hours on TV.
The human body is nothing to be ashamed of.
Sex related crimes (and crime in general) is low.

Re:I think I speak for everyone... (1)

JRIsidore (524392) | more than 9 years ago | (#13140829)

So right. When I read the story I already made the same thoughts you seemed to have had and how I would gonna post all those things like nudity is natural, sex is natural and healthy, etc.
But why do I have to say all these so very obvious things? They should be clear if you just think about it for a minute. We are born naked, have always been and will always be. Everybody knows "boys have a penis and girls have a vagina". Everybody will have sex and only because of sex we exist at all. So why the fuck should I feel bad about sex or nudity?!
Sorry, but I just don't get it... and with regard to things like this I'm very glad I live in Europe.

Go with what works (1)

Dark Paladin (116525) | more than 9 years ago | (#13140105)

Well, it worked to get GTA III off the shelves, so maybe he thinks that going after Sims 2 the same way will work.

First they came for GTA... (1)

PhoenixOne (674466) | more than 9 years ago | (#13140146)

Okay, who will be the first to quote Niemoller's Poem in this thread?

Google Images + Radio Button = Nudity | THE KIDS!! (3, Insightful)

flowerHercules (897821) | more than 9 years ago | (#13140158)

Television commercial's and programs alike have been blurring out (or black boxing) explicit nudity for ages without getting much attention in the sake of children, but nobody is throwing around lawsuits to stop them.

You put those blocks in to keep the content from being seen, if someone created a modification that allowed your TV to remove those blocks and blurs and fill in what was really there, would it be the fault of companies like Ventura for having that content in originally?

Instead of attacking the programmers or producers for, rightfully, removing or blurring the explicit content, why aren't Rockstar and Electronic Arts suing the people that made the patches? Why aren't people like Jack Thompson filing suit against them? After all, the material wasn't meant to be seen by the consumer.

Neither Rockstar nor EA deserve to get sued for filtering the content in question and not sufficiently protecting against malicious (not to mention perverted) modders from exposing the code for what it was . As far as I'm concerned, both the Sims and GTA were hacked, slandering the name of legitimate, trustworthy companies. GTA wasn't trying to sneak anything past ESRB against 'moms' will. EA wasn't trying to expose children to explicit nudity...as far as the allegations go: the labia was not visible.

Re:Google Images + Radio Button = Nudity | THE KID (1)

frikazoyd (845667) | more than 9 years ago | (#13140620)

Your Television analogy is a bit off. If someone created a mod to your TV to remove those black bars, the person who made the modification is responsible. If, however, all TV's secretly had the ability, and someone smart enough just told you how to make them disappear, that would be what this is like. Except, behind the black bars, all you would see is a strapless bra. The Sims 2 came with the capability to remove the blur, it is something done in game for the Sims 2. And anyone who read the article can surmise that the labia wasn't visible with the "cheat". The allegations against EA (and Maxis) are clearly wrong, and EA isn't going to be responsible because their original content is innocuous. As for GTA, they are very much at fault for their game's problem. Just because you have to get a mod doesn't belay the fact that they wrote the code for the sex game, and designed it to be in the game.

Ban pencils (1)

inerte (452992) | more than 9 years ago | (#13140175)

You can take any Harry Potter book and replace this sentence: Harry looks to Hermione with Harry fucks Hermione.

Re:Ban pencils (1)

Punboy (737239) | more than 9 years ago | (#13140329)

As disturbing a concept that is, you're right. Changing a piece of code is like taking an eraser and erasing what was once stated, and writing something new (and more obscene)

Its Thompson (1)

dasunt (249686) | more than 9 years ago | (#13140193)

I believe that Jack Thompson is the same person that was ordered by the Florida Supreme Court to undergo a pschiatric evaluation (he passed).

He would also be the same guy who has gone after 2 Live Crew, Ice T, the Basketball Diaries, Doom, Halo, Rockstar, Howard Stern, etc.

His site 'stopkill.com' has a nice introduction:

This site's purpose is to give you the means to contact Miami attorney Jack Thompson if you know of someone harmed as a result of violent entertainment, including violent video games.

It would be odd if he wasn't going after the Sims.

[Btw, he has a right, AS A HUMAN BEING, to his opinion. Just as I have a right, as a human being, to my opinion that Thompson is grossly mistaken.]

Sigh (1)

uzor (787499) | more than 9 years ago | (#13140205)

What a fucking ass.

Screenshots of nude cheat (3, Informative)

Nelson Minar (7732) | more than 9 years ago | (#13140300)

I just made some screenshots of enabling the nude cheat in Sims 2. Here, see for yourself [monkey.org] . The only thing there is some disturbingly asexual smooth models.

Won't it be nice? (1)

grimharvest (724023) | more than 9 years ago | (#13140327)

...when all this hysteria blows over. It can't be too much longer, can it? Hillary will find a new cause, Jack will sink back into obscurity (hopefully for a long while), and the press will find something else to talk about like this [yahoo.com]

Tomorrow's Slashdot news (1)

VGR (467274) | more than 9 years ago | (#13140356)

Tomorrow's Slashdot news:

Games: Sims 2 sales up 45%

Welcome to the new McCarthyism (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 9 years ago | (#13140359)

Welcome to the new McCarthyism!

And to think, a lawyer trying to tell everyone what is morally acceptable

Glad to be European, again (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 9 years ago | (#13140378)

The "hot coffee farce" was beyond funny and embarrassing for the US (even PA completely lost it on the matter, I didn't expect that), but this is even more far out.

Thank you lord, that I was born and still live outside of the US. This could have never happened in a European state.

Steffen

Soccer mom! (2, Funny)

dacarr (562277) | more than 9 years ago | (#13140395)

I just realized it. he's the first man I can think of that can have the moniker "soccer mom" attached to him. Somebody needs to smack this fruitcake.

We won't get to see the princess. (1)

88NoSoup4U88 (721233) | more than 9 years ago | (#13140510)

At this rate kids won't be able to play Mario because Princess Peach is dressed too slutty.

She's prolly at another castle anyways.

Actually... (1)

Lisana (90858) | more than 9 years ago | (#13140532)

GameSpot posted the article. GameStop is the unrelated video game store. It's easy to get those letters switched around though.

Mods Prohibited?? (1)

coolestdickofall (858613) | more than 9 years ago | (#13140540)

This is ridiculous.. If developers have to endure flak and possible lawsuits over mods to their games, how long will it be before they go to great lengths to prevent mods completely?? One of the greatest traits of PC gaming is under attack.

He might have a case :/ (1)

88NoSoup4U88 (721233) | more than 9 years ago | (#13140559)

In my opinion, this is another case than the Hot Coffee one.
Whereas the Hot Coffee minigame was a mod, that couldn't have been unlocked in-game by any cheatcodes otherwise, the Sims 2 game has the command "intprop censorgridsize" which can be turned off : And thus enabling nudity in an even lower rated game than GTA was.

I am afraid this opportunist moneygrabbing lawyer might have a case :/ .

I really don't think he does (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 9 years ago | (#13140778)

In order to create the censor blurs, you need to describe the lengths of the sides (since it's squares, one number covers all sides) with a number variable. It's always possible to change a variable through hacks/mods, and there's really no way to stop it (complexity can make it harder, but it's never impossible). So, in essence, Jack Thompson is suing them because they described the length of a side numerically (though he's too big of an idiot to know that). How are the sides supposed to be described, with interpretive dance?
It would be really nice if Jack Thompson actually learned a thing or two about programming before he went accusing people of improper programming practices. Of course, the more I hear about him, the more I am convinced that he's not interested in justice at all; he just wants to make a name for himself.

Groundless Bullshit (5, Insightful)

Rie Beam (632299) | more than 9 years ago | (#13140606)

Please, The Sims is a tame as milk. I can almost agree with him on the GTA thing (although I enjoy the series), simply because it's obviously designed and left in the game, even though I find it hypocritical that he wouldn't seek a lawsuit before the mini-game was common knowledge (as if the violence and the hooker-in-a-car from the original weren't enough). But The Sims / The Sims 2 (the "blur" occurs on both version, if you remember)? Has this man ever seen a Barbie or Ken doll naked? That's about the extent of it. I especially love this line:

"Sims 2, the latest version of the Sims video game franchise...
contains, according to video game news sites, full frontal nudity, including nipples, penises, labia, and pubic hair."

No, no it doesn't, and "video game news sites" are not a source to base a lawsuit on, especially if you can't name the site or sites in question. The only thing that might make for evidence in anything whatsoever is the following site I ran into on the way to look for "proper" screenshots:

Now, this is not what he is accusing EA of - this is a skin patch, which should tell you right there what the deal is - if you want to see nude Sims with details, you're going to need a patch, because they're little more than mannequins under the blur. This would not exist if they had full-frontal nudity, penii, etc.

Groundless lawsuit by an ignorant man. Sick of this shit.

New Law (1)

gullevek (174152) | more than 9 years ago | (#13140643)

American Citicens have to take off their sexual organs as long as they live in America.
This new law will prevent young innocent Children too see breats, penises or even this evil pubic hair.
Insteead of sexual organs, people are obliged to wear guns and other killing instruments.

Ratings fix (1)

gandy909 (222251) | more than 9 years ago | (#13140702)

Just get all the game publishers to make ALL their games rated AO, then it isn't a problem. If Best Buy or Game Stop wants to stay in the business of selling games, let the parents come in and buy them in the first place. No exceptions. Rate Mario, Pac Man, and everything else AO...after all, I believe it is still a voluntary rating system isn't it?

Won't somebody think of the children!!! (1)

Starsmore (788910) | more than 9 years ago | (#13140776)

OH MY GOD! UNCLOTHED MANNEQUINS! THE CHILDREN!! THINK OF THE CHILDREN!!!

Holy hell, this guy is a fruit cake. He hasn't even played the game, or watched video of it. To his credit, he issued an ammendment saying that...

Thompson this afternoon updated his earlier statement, saying he is aware certain mods only remove "the blur," but adds that "Electronic Arts has done nothing about this." Thompson's new conclusion: EA is "cooperating, gleefully, with the mod community to turn Sims 2 into a porn offering."

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