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Free Beer That's Free as in Speech

Zonk posted more than 8 years ago | from the best-of-both-worlds dept.

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darkonc writes "The CBC has notes and an interview with Dane Rasmus Nielsen who decided to reduce the confusion between 'free as in speech' and 'free as in beer' by making a beer free -- in speech. The result is Vores Oel, an open source beer. The CBC site includes the recipe for the beer which is made with Guarana beans, and gives it a bit of a caffeine-like hit. The danish site downloads include the label for the beer (which is also Open Source)."

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379 comments

Free beer UP YOUR NOSE bitch! (FP) (-1, Troll)

Anonymous Coward | more than 8 years ago | (#13154305)

www.protestwarrior.com - fight the left!

Wait... (5, Funny)

DanielNS84 (847393) | more than 8 years ago | (#13154307)

But will he send it to me free like a Ubuntu CD?

Free Beer? (2, Funny)

BRonsk (759601) | more than 8 years ago | (#13154347)

Where's the .torrent?

Re:Free Beer? (4, Funny)

datafr0g (831498) | more than 8 years ago | (#13154490)

yeah yeah, find the torrent but good luck getting the beer out of your PC safely. How do you plan to get the beer out, drip it through that old unused floppy drive?

Are you crazy?

Streaming free beer over the internet is pointless without a DRM free RS-232 Bar Tap for output and only RMS has one of those.

reduce the confusion? (4, Insightful)

xlyz (695304) | more than 8 years ago | (#13154308)

... or increase it???

Re:reduce the confusion? (0, Redundant)

Loualbano2 (98133) | more than 8 years ago | (#13154337)

I say increase.

I only looked at this story to leave your exact same comment.

-Fran

Re:reduce the confusion? (1)

Linus Torvaalds (876626) | more than 8 years ago | (#13154407)

There's no way he was being sarcastic!

Re:reduce the confusion? (1)

gavri (663286) | more than 8 years ago | (#13154587)

Definitely reduce. Next time somebody is confused about what Free Software is, you just point to this web-site and say "See? If a beer was Free-like-in-Free-Software this is how it would be Free"

Slow news day? (-1, Offtopic)

Anonymous Coward | more than 8 years ago | (#13154309)

Open source beer? This smells like a dupe...

FP?

It can't be open source (5, Funny)

WillerZ (814133) | more than 8 years ago | (#13154310)

It's already version 1.0.

If this were in the true open-source spirit it'd be 0.99_rc3_beta1.1 at most.

Re:It can't be open source (1)

Virak (897071) | more than 8 years ago | (#13154487)

Bah. They're just boosting the version number, so it looks like they're actually making progress. As an added bonus, it appeals to the general public, because stupid people like nice round numbers, without all of that confusing fractions stuff.

Free beer is one thing (4, Funny)

hobotron (891379) | more than 8 years ago | (#13154311)


Trusting the Danish for your free beer is quite another.

*ducks*

Re:Free beer is one thing (5, Funny)

Anonymous Coward | more than 8 years ago | (#13154366)

> Trusting the Danish for your free beer is quite another.

mmmmmm danishhhhh ..... beer? danishhhhhhh .... mmmm ..beerrrr...... danish? .....

that would confuse the fuck out of homer simpson!

First Prime Factorization Post (2, Funny)

2*2*3*75011 (900132) | more than 8 years ago | (#13154312)

Recipe for approx. 5*17 ltr. Vores Øl (Our Beer) (approx. 3/(2*5*5) alchohol by volume).

Malt extract
For Vores Øl we use four types malted barley:

2*3 kg pilsner malt
2*2 kg münsner malt
1 kg caramel malt
1 kg lager malt
The malt is crushed and put in 5*11-2*2*3*5C hot water for 1-2 hours.

The mixture is filtered and the liquid now contains about 2*5 kg malt extract.

Taste and sugar
Besides malt we use:

2*2*3*5 g Tetnang bitter hops
2*5*5 g Hallertaver aroma hops
2*2*3*5*5 g Guarana beans
2*2 kg sugar
(Guarana beans can typically be bought at health food stores).

The malt extact is brought to a boil in a large pot with the hops and approx. 2*5*7 ltr. of water.

After half an hour, the Guarana beans and sugar is added.

The mixture simmers for about an hour, and is then filtered and cooled in a sealed container.

Fermentation

Yeast is added and the beer is fermented at room temperature for approx. 2 weeks.

When the beer is fully fermentet it is transferred to bottles. First 2*2 g sugar is added per liter and some yeast from the bottom of the fermentation tanks for priming.

Vores Øl is then left in the bottles at room temperature for 2*2*2-2*5 days for carbonation. Then the beer is ready to enjoy; cold and refreshing.

Re:First Prime Factorization Post (-1, Troll)

Anonymous Coward | more than 8 years ago | (#13154372)

Liter? Kilogram? Celsius!? What the hell kind of commie recipe is this!?

Re:First Prime Factorization Post (1)

WillerZ (814133) | more than 8 years ago | (#13154419)

What the hell kind of commie recipe is this!?

The best kind, a recipe for beer...

Open Source Beer? (2, Interesting)

silvertear72 (899704) | more than 8 years ago | (#13154315)

So...is there some kind of General Public License for beer similar to the GNU?

Re:Open Source Beer? (1)

teksno (838560) | more than 8 years ago | (#13154348)

no just public intoxication...

Re:Open Source Beer? (3, Informative)

shawb (16347) | more than 8 years ago | (#13154590)

Creative Commons [creativecommons.org] liscenses allows "open sourcing" just about any IP you want: music, visual arts, writing... it's just a license that you have to print the license and the recipie if you want to distribute the beer.

Re:Open Source Beer? (5, Funny)

Shaper_pmp (825142) | more than 8 years ago | (#13154591)

I certainly hope so, since after you drink it you'll have a hard time not producing derivative works...

Now that will just add to the confusion... (5, Funny)

TheRealBlueEAGLE (612174) | more than 8 years ago | (#13154319)

As everyone knows free beer will make you drink more and get drunk. When you get drunk you will speak more freely. So it will be free speach by free beer. How does this help anyone?

Except that it helps us get drunk, and that's not a bad thing, is it? ;D

The label... (4, Funny)

aaza (635147) | more than 8 years ago | (#13154321)

But is the label free as in beer, or free as in speech?

Re:The label... (1)

aaza (635147) | more than 8 years ago | (#13154335)

(shouldn't reply to own post blah, blah)

And now that beer is free as in speech, what can we use to mean free as in beer?

Re:The label... (1)

DanielNS84 (847393) | more than 8 years ago | (#13154362)

Free as in Liquor doesn't sound as good but has the same meaning I suppose. Now for that open sourced vodka...or wait...isn't that just potatoes or something?

Re:The label... (4, Interesting)

miyako (632510) | more than 8 years ago | (#13154390)

I suggest "free as in lunch", I think it might really be better than "free as in beer" ever was anyway, because it relates back to "there's no such thing as a free lunch" and basically re-enforces the idea that "free as in speech" = good, "free as in lunch" = be cautious.

Obviously (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 8 years ago | (#13154414)

it's free as in beer label

frist ps0t (-1, Offtopic)

Anonymous Coward | more than 8 years ago | (#13154323)

frist ps0t omfg wtf r00t!!!!!!! fth tbh

caffeine LIKE? (1)

Spoukie (775267) | more than 8 years ago | (#13154327)

umm... guarana HAS caffeine. in fact it is one of the richest natural sources of our beloved caffeine!

Re:caffeine LIKE? (3, Funny)

Saven Marek (739395) | more than 8 years ago | (#13154343)

> umm... guarana HAS caffeine. in fact it is one of the richest
> natural sources of our beloved caffeine!

The important thing is that guarana is better for you as it is a natural source of caffeine. so that's something to remember

Re:caffeine LIKE? (1)

tech49er (824086) | more than 8 years ago | (#13154360)

and its really strong so it'll have you bouncing off the walls like a good stimulant should

Re:caffeine LIKE? (1)

WillerZ (814133) | more than 8 years ago | (#13154432)

Better for you than what?

How does being a natural source of something make it intrinsically good? Humans need iron and pyrites are a natural source of iron, so by your logic I should be tucking in to a pyrite-and-basalt salad for lunch.

Phil

Re:caffeine LIKE? (1)

foreverdisillusioned (763799) | more than 8 years ago | (#13154482)

I'm 92.7% sure that he was being sarcastic.

Re:caffeine LIKE? (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 8 years ago | (#13154465)

And apple seeds are a natural source for cyanide so they must be better for you as well!

Uhhh, yeah..... (1)

commodoresloat (172735) | more than 8 years ago | (#13154602)

better for you as it is a natural source of caffeine

Unlike coffee beans which are an unnatural source of .... wait, what? ... never mind.

Re:caffeine LIKE? (2, Informative)

Bush Pig (175019) | more than 8 years ago | (#13154604)

Coffee beans are also a natural source of caffeine, (as are tea leaves), and they have a huge adavntage over guarana, as they don't taste like dirt.

I'm pretty sure I read the original article some months ago, btw - don't know if it's a /. dup., or if I saw it somewhere else.

Freedom (1, Redundant)

KrisCowboy (776288) | more than 8 years ago | (#13154329)

Freedom - free as in free beer and free as in free speech. I bet RMS is happy.

Re:Freedom (0, Redundant)

beware1000 (678753) | more than 8 years ago | (#13154461)

I bet he's drunk.

Re:Freedom (0, Redundant)

Orgazmus (761208) | more than 8 years ago | (#13154483)

We all suspected that quite a while ago ;)

Re:Freedom (0, Redundant)

Anonymous Coward | more than 8 years ago | (#13154501)

He'll be happy when it is renamed to GNU/Beer.

Re:Freedom (4, Funny)

tod_miller (792541) | more than 8 years ago | (#13154511)

Its free as in Free beer, but not as in free beer.

Shame. *hic*.

Don't forget - all drivers are incompatible with this open source release, DO NOT DRINK AND DRIVE

Wired (3, Informative)

moyet (148706) | more than 8 years ago | (#13154344)

Wired had the same story a couple of days ago. Their article is a bit longer and with a bit more background.

Re:Wired (4, Informative)

Nakanai_de (647766) | more than 8 years ago | (#13154374)

Here's the link [wired.com] to the Wired story.

Somewhat Lacking? (1)

SpottedKuh (855161) | more than 8 years ago | (#13154353)

Now, I have to admit that this is a really cool idea! Free as in speech-beer.

But, did anyone else notice that the recipe provided on the CBC website was somewhat lacking? I mean: How much 55-60 degree water? What kind of filter? How much yeast?

I'd love to try this, but I can't seem to find a complete version of the recipe. Can anyone who speaks Danish tell me if a more complete recipe is availble on the site? Cheers!

DO NOT follow their directions (5, Informative)

IvyMike (178408) | more than 8 years ago | (#13154389)

The process of brewing beer is easy, but not quite THAT easy.

A good introduction to brewing is How To Brew [howtobrew.com] by John Palmer. The entire 1st edition of the book is available on the web for free at the URL above. (Perhaps predictably, it's free as in beer, not as in speech :)

Re:Somewhat Lacking? (3, Interesting)

Gantoris (442791) | more than 8 years ago | (#13154416)

Unless you are already a homebrewer, don't try this recipe - it's a difficult grain recipe, and looking at the recipe, will not will not be a fantastic beer.

If you are interested in starting with the hobby (and I recommend you do, you'll never look back), go to your local home brew shop and grab a starter kit, you will make some pretty good beer - certianly better than that recipe will get you.

Once you have made up a few batches, add some Gurana to a recipe you like and you will have a cafinated beer that you will actually enjoy.

Re:Somewhat Lacking? (4, Interesting)

grozzie2 (698656) | more than 8 years ago | (#13154531)

Unless you are already a homebrewer, don't try this recipe - it's a difficult grain recipe, and looking at the recipe, will not will not be a fantastic beer.

A fantastic beer is all a matter of personal preference. The history of beer in north america was changed dramatically by prohibition. During that period, they were brewing awful stuff, and serving it very very green. What was discovered, if you chill the beer till it's 'cold', folks liked it better. If you look into the specific reason why, it's kind of hillarious. A liquid chilled the way north americans prefer beer (ice cold), will numb many of the tastebuds when it flows over the tongue. Those are specifically the buds that react to the flavour of yeast. When prohibition ended, the brewing industry held onto this concept, because it allows one to serve a green beer, and nobody will taste the yeast. Ever notice how much the industry spends promoting 'cold beer'? That simply because they know, if folks are drinking it chilled, they can sell a beer that's got a horrible yeast flavour, and nobody will notice.

The recipe in question as given on the website will produce a very interesting beer, but, its definitely a european beer. That means it should be served just below room temp, not well chilled, and, it does need to be fully and properly cured, to get rid of the yeast flavours. the majority of the flavour from this particular beer will be lost if served chilled the north american way.

If you are doing your own brews, it's a very interesting experiment. Make up a traditional european beer, then try 2 bottles side by side. Chill one 'the north american way', and treat the other exactly the way you would treat a good red wine (8 to 12 degrees below room temp). The chilled variant will taste awful, the room temp bottle will have a host of interesting flavours. Repeat the process with an american beer, and you'll find the room temp bottle will have a horrible yeasty aftertaste, which you dont notice when trying the chilled bottle.

But, that's the beauty of open source beer :) for our north american folks that prefer ice cold beer, they can fork the recipe, and refine it for one that has acceptable flavours when served chilled, and disregard the yeast artifacts, the the chilled serving will hide them.

Re:Somewhat Lacking? (2, Funny)

bhtooefr (649901) | more than 8 years ago | (#13154539)

Sounds like it's already the Linux of beers, then.

Hard to set up, isn't that good, and you can add something to something more mainstream to make it do the same thing!

(just kidding!)

Re:Somewhat Lacking? (1)

RoceKiller (699407) | more than 8 years ago | (#13154427)

The english recipe is (almost) a direct translation of the danish one. So no more specefic information is avalible on the danish one. You could of cause mail the Rasmus Nielsen asking him the details.

Re:Somewhat Lacking? (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 8 years ago | (#13154510)

The recipe is still in beta as previously stated,

If you want you can checkout a snapshot from it's SVN repository. There is a link to it at the bottom of the page...

GPLed Mead (5, Interesting)

jd (1658) | more than 8 years ago | (#13154575)

The following recipe is mine (mine! mine!) and I am releasing it under the GPL. For those unfamiliar with Mead, it is a honey-wine that dates back something like 6,000 years to either Greece or Cyprus. It has been blamed on various Gods over time and is even in the English language (honeymoon refers to the practice of getting sloshed on Mead for one lunar month after a marriage.)


Ingredients per gallon of water (scale as appropriate):

  • 4 lbs. of any light-color honey
  • 3 acorns (crushed)
  • 1/4 pint of extra-strong tea
  • Juice of two medium-sized lemons
  • 3-4 tbsp malt extract
  • 1 sachet of Mead or Champagne Yeast
  • 2 x 1 gallon brewing jar
  • One airlock
  • Pint jug
  • Wine siphoning kit


Method:


Boil the acorns in a 1/4 pint of water, until the water turns yellow. Strain out the acorns. Boil the gallon of water separately, then let it cool slightly. Add the honey, tea, the water from the acorns and the lemon juice. Stir gently. It is recommended to remove the scum off the top, but I never do. Allow the water to cool to just above blood-warm and pour all but 1/4 pint into a brewing jar.


Heat 1/2 pint of water in a jug until blood-warm and dissolve into it the maltose. Add the yeast and stir. Let to sit until the yeast is active and a good froth has formed.


Pour the yeast mix into the brewing jar, then rinse the jug with the remaining 1/4 pint to get the remaining yeast. Also pour into the brewing jar. Shake the brewing jar to ensure a good mix, but not so much as to lose any of the mixture out of the top.


Fill the air-lock with water (assuming it is a type that uses water) and stopper the brewing jar. Place somewhere warm (most yeasts do best around 78'F). Regardless of what anyone else says, I do recommend direct sunlight.


Wait until fully fermented, then use the wine siphoning kit to siphon the mead into the empty brewing jar, minus the sludge. Stopper it again and let it settle for a day. Clean the original brewing jar carefully. Place the full brewing jar in a cool, dark location.


After six months, siphon back to the original brewing jar, stopper it up, and place it back in the dark. After another six months, bottle into dark glass bottles.


Mead is "best" after being left for 4-5 years, but is extremely drinkable within a day or two of being bottled.


I use just about any old mead or champagne yeast, but the one that seems to be the most popular is Wyeast's #3632 Dry Mead yeast. If you want something that'll give you an extra kick, START with that until it finishes, then pour out 1/4 pint to make a fresh starter kit. This time, use a high-tolerence yeast (champagne will go to 17 or 18%, but there are yeasts now that'll go to 25%). Once started, pour back into the main brewing jar and let it finish.


If you want a slightly fruitier flavor, add 1 lb. of blueberries or some other soft fruit, when making the original mix.


If you want a "cleaner", softer flavor, don't use the acorns.

You can talk about free beer all you want. (4, Funny)

mikeophile (647318) | more than 8 years ago | (#13154355)

Until I'm drinking it, there is no buzz.

OMFG WTFing-F DO WE DO NOW!? (1)

shrewd (830067) | more than 8 years ago | (#13154356)

how on earth will we explain to the uninformed the differen't types of 'free'?

"well its free as in speech, and sometimes beer, but mostly speech.... and not like free as in beer, but it can be if your beer is open source, but mostly it isn't."

Obligatory (-1, Troll)

dedazo (737510) | more than 8 years ago | (#13154363)

HAHAHAHAHAHAHA! You so funny! HAHAHAHAHAHAHA! You so original! You make me laugh! HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA! You funny man! I like you jokes! HAHAHAHAHAHAHA! Wow...my sides are hurting with that funny, funny quip you just threw down on us like some clever maniacal funny man! You so funny! HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA! Someone even posted this thing to Slashnot to show how funny you really are to the rest of us! Quip, quip says you! Everyone! Over here! Look at the funny man! He made a funny about "free as in speech"! Get it? ...beer, free as in beer...HAHAHAHAHA! It's a reference to free software... how it is related to free speech... HAHAHAHAHA! Yes, I am not sure where this guy is from but boy is he funny! Who invited him to the party? We gotta have this guy over more often! Honey? Come down here a second and listen to this guy 'tell it like it is' in a really funny way. HAHAHAHAHAHAHAH! "An open source beer", that's priceless. "Gurana beans" Gold. Just pure gold. How do you do it? So many stories get posted here on Slashdork but then you see a funny gem like this. HAHAHAHAHAHAHA! Pure hilarity. When's the last time you actually tried to explain this to someone and so wittily remarked about it? But the brilliance of you associating in the beer with "speech" had me splitting my sides.
HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA! You funny man. So clever, so very very clever. I'll bet you were the funny man in school too. And I'll bet everyone will understand the philosophy behind free software now. Thanks ever so much!

Re:Obligatory (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 8 years ago | (#13154404)

What a painful response to read! What the hell were you thinking?

Forking it (1)

PSVMOrnot (885854) | more than 8 years ago | (#13154370)

I wonder if I can make a version that is suitable for coeliacs...

Re:Forking it (2, Informative)

kfg (145172) | more than 8 years ago | (#13154445)

It's called sake.

I don't know that there are special names for corn beer, or millet beer, or amaranth beer. Then, of course, root beer and birch beer are really beer if you really brew them. Recipes are available on the net, as they are for barley beer, so I'm at something of a loss to explain what this story is all about.

Me, I generally just go straight for the cognac, but I'd have to move to France to make it myself.

There's always wild grape rotgut.

KFG

Re:Forking it (1)

Anonymous Writer (746272) | more than 8 years ago | (#13154502)

Do you have coeliacs? Can you recommend a site on the web with good information about it? A mate of mine has symptoms of it, although he has other food intolerances as well besides gluten. From what I've read on the web, that can happen in cases of coeliacs.

More Free (as in speach) beer (2, Informative)

Zachary Kessin (1372) | more than 8 years ago | (#13154379)

And other drinks over at the Cat's Meow 3 [brewery.org] lots of beer related stuff. Of course it will cost you some money to brew a batch, but hey it could be worth it.

I do not vouch for specific recipies there, as I haven't done any brewing in years.

No wonder there is confusion (2, Interesting)

FidelCatsro (861135) | more than 8 years ago | (#13154381)

The minute folks have got their heads around free beer , they are drunk and stand little chance of grasping the differences between Libra and gratis .

Where's the source? (0, Troll)

AccUser (191555) | more than 8 years ago | (#13154384)

So I can download the recipe, but not the ingredients. Isn't that rather like being able to download the makefile for a software project, but having to write the code yourself?

Re:Where's the source? (1)

ezzzD55J (697465) | more than 8 years ago | (#13154492)

So I can download the recipe, but not the ingredients. Isn't that rather like being able to download the makefile for a software project, but having to write the code yourself?

I know you were probably kidding, but..
No, no no. It's like downloading all the code but having to run it on a machine you had to buy yourself.

Confused? (3, Informative)

the_unknown_soldier (675161) | more than 8 years ago | (#13154385)

Here is the GNU definition:

``Free software'' is a matter of liberty, not price. To understand the concept, you should think of ``free'' as in ``free speech,'' not as in ``free beer.'' Free software is a matter of the users' freedom to run, copy, distribute, study, change and improve the software. More precisely, it refers to four kinds of freedom, for the users of the software:


* The freedom to run the program, for any purpose (freedom 0).
* The freedom to study how the program works, and adapt it to your needs (freedom 1). Access to the source code is a precondition for this.
* The freedom to redistribute copies so you can help your neighbor (freedom 2).
* The freedom to improve the program, and release your improvements to the public, so that the whole community benefits (freedom 3). Access to the source code is a precondition for this.

http://www.gnu.org/philosophy/free-sw.html [gnu.org]

Uh-oh ... whose beer now? (2, Informative)

KlaymenDK (713149) | more than 8 years ago | (#13154392)

Uh-oh ... I hope "Vores øl" doesn't get in trouble for this (but then again, it's not like this is the US, so there is hope).

The thing is, a few years ago one of the two major Danish beer labels had a series of commercials in which "Vores øl" was the signature. They might not see this site as such a "free speech" win, though I hope they'll let it pass without raising a fuss.

Article Text, in case of /.ing (2)

hobotron (891379) | more than 8 years ago | (#13154400)


Now ... when you here the words "open source" most people think of computer software programs like Linux ...It is a model where the original "source code" can be modified and improved at little cost...and it's shared among users for free.

Well now ... thanks to Rasmus Nielsen, beer is free too. At least the recipe is ... in an industry where ingredients and processes are typically kept under constant poliece surveilance. Rasmus Nielsen is one of the creators of the Vores OI beer recipe. We were able to trace the subject to his secluded home in Copehagen, Denmark.

Recipe for approx. 85 ltr. Vores Øl (Our Beer) (approx. 6% alchohol by volume).

Malt extract
For Vores Øl we use four types malted barley:

6 kg pilsner malt
4 kg münsner malt
1 kg caramel malt
1 kg lager malt
The malt is crushed and put in 55-60C hot water for 1-2 hours.

The mixture is filtered and the liquid now contains about 10 kg malt extract.

Taste and sugar Besides malt we use:

60 g Tetnang bitter hops

50 g Hallertaver aroma hops
300 g Guarana beans
4 kg sugar
(Guarana beans can typically be bought at health food stores).

The malt extact is brought to a boil in a large pot with the hops and approx. 70 ltr. of water.

After half an hour, the Guarana beans and sugar are added.

The mixture simmers for about an hour, and is then filtered and cooled in a sealed container.

Fermentation

Yeast is added and the beer is fermented at room temperature for approx. 2 weeks.

When the beer is fully fermented it is transferred to bottles. First 4 g sugar is added per liter and some yeast from the bottom of the fermentation tanks for priming.

Vores Øl is then left in the bottles at room temperature for 8-10 days for carbonation. Then the beer is ready to enjoy; cold and refreshing.

Doesn't look good (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 8 years ago | (#13154486)

Being a home brewer I can spot a lousy beer when I see one. Too much alcohol comes from the sugar, it probably tastes something like Carlsberg Elephant. Now that is bad shit! I know the Danish has Carlsberg, the largest producer of crap in the world, but I also know they have some small micro brewers which really know their stuff. So there should be no reason to make it this bad.

Little Known Fact About Free Beer/Free Speech (2, Funny)

Anonymous Coward | more than 8 years ago | (#13154401)

Did you know that it is legal to beat the crap of anyone who tries to explain something to you with free as in beer/free as in speech?

Hopefully someday the ass kicking won't just be legal, but compulsory.

ugh... malt extract (1)

Compay (12102) | more than 8 years ago | (#13154403)

What a bunch of beer noobs. True beer geeks brew all grain.

Re:ugh... malt extract (1)

murukusu (893892) | more than 8 years ago | (#13154593)

If you RTFA, you'll notice that they do use grain:

6 kg pilsner malt

4 kg münsner malt
1 kg caramel malt
1 kg lager malt
The malt is crushed and put in 55-60C hot water for 1-2 hours.

The mixture is filtered and the liquid now contains about 10 kg malt extract.

Important message from Heineken (5, Funny)

datafr0g (831498) | more than 8 years ago | (#13154406)

As a Heineken representative, I'd just like to remind you all that THERE ARE NO ADVANTAGES to open source beer.

See our website for zillions of usless statistics and reports (compiled by and independent organisation (funded by us)), that disprove the so called benefits of open source beer.

As well as conveniently digging up all those old patents we also plan to file numourous lawsuits against the open source beer community - if you are a user of open source beer, watch out - you may be prosecuted.

I'm not really a beer drinker myself (1)

foreverdisillusioned (763799) | more than 8 years ago | (#13154521)

If beer leaves a sour taste in your mouth, you may find Wine [wikipedia.org] to be much tastier.

Coming from an ameteur brewer.. (5, Informative)

Vellmont (569020) | more than 8 years ago | (#13154412)

This recipe is terrible. The most glaring error is they don't specify the type of yeast. Is this an Ale or a Lager? There's a big difference beween the two. Given the room temperature fermenting, you'd assume an Ale, but some Lager yeasts can ferment at room temperature too. Among those two major yeast types there's a huge difference among the various strains that produces very different end products.

The recipe calls for armoma hops and bitter hops. The only difference between the two is the length of the boil. Bitter hops are boiled on the order of 30 minutes, Aroma hops are boiled on the order of 5 minutes. But no boil times are specified at all. The boiling time of hops impacts the hop level of the beer, which has a major impacts on the flavor of the beer.

If this recipe were code, it wouldn't compile. You'd have to guess at the yeast type and boil times for the hops. The massive 85 liter batch size isn't terribly usefull either. Most homebrewers do 5-6 gallon batches.

Re:Coming from an ameteur brewer.. (4, Insightful)

datafr0g (831498) | more than 8 years ago | (#13154440)

Whenever I complained about some open source app not doing what I wanted it to, some dude would always come along and whine something like, "it's free, it's open source - fix it yerself"....

Ahem... (clears throat)

"Quit complaining! it's free, it's open source! Fix it yerself"

But seriously, I agree - it definitly doesn't look ready for a version 1.0 release right now.

:-)

Re:Coming from an ameteur brewer.. (2, Insightful)

Vellmont (569020) | more than 8 years ago | (#13154472)

The problem is that it's impossible to even know what they're even trying to create in the first place. Without some kind of guideline to start with you might as well ignore the recipe they came up with and use your own.

It's as if you've got a collection of code that's incomplete, but you're not sure what the completed product was actually supposed to do. How would you possibly fill in the missing pieces of code?

Re:Coming from an ameteur brewer.. (5, Insightful)

kailoran (887304) | more than 8 years ago | (#13154498)

It's simple - you fork. OSB-Lager, OSB-Ale etc...

Re:Coming from an ameteur brewer.. (1)

pe1rxq (141710) | more than 8 years ago | (#13154480)

I don't really mind that half the world is using backwards units (which half might depend on your viewpoint) but please don't mix gallons and liters when comparing measurements....
5-6 gallon batches would mean something around 20 liters btw.

Jeroen

Re: Coming from an ameteur brewer.. (1)

GanryuMVP (886598) | more than 8 years ago | (#13154553)

Oh yeah, everyone drinks beer for the taste... just like I read playboy for the interesting views on philosophy.

Re:Coming from an ameteur brewer.. (3, Interesting)

Lumpy (12016) | more than 8 years ago | (#13154556)

exactly, and as a home brewer I took offense at the title "worlds first open source beer" which it is not. Myself and several other home-brewers share recipies and techniques all the time.

Open source beer has been around ever cince home brewing has been around. (like forever)

I strongly suggest to people wanting to get into home brewing to get some books on the subject, and make a couple of throw away batches (my first 4 batches were HORRIBLE! praanoid sterelization is key to making beer!)

I would put the recipie as not even a no compiling project but as a project that requires some dependancies but they only tell you generally..

Oh to compile you need a graphics library. and the lack of details on the rest of it is like not telling you what programming language it is.

This is not at all like that open source cola recipie that was on the net a few years ago. that one was complete and easy to make (if you can get your hands on the ingredients)

in fact that open source cola launched me into beer making. I bought several postmix pop canisters for making the pop.... found they are wonderful for fermenting my beer into larger than bottle sized batches. my "mini-keg" so to speak of lumpyale.

What ?! (1)

Ihlosi (895663) | more than 8 years ago | (#13154417)

They add stuff besides barley malt, yeast, hops and water to the brew and _dare_ to call it beer ?

Blasphemy !

Re:What ?! (1)

mrjb (547783) | more than 8 years ago | (#13154517)

You must be German - There's a whole world of darn good beers outside the Deutsche Reinheitsgebot. Try them, I promise you won't be disappointed.

Hoegaarden Grand Cru for example has curacao peel, many white beers and triples have a hint of coriander. Westvleteren 12 trappist [ratebeer.com] has rye in it. Who would _dare_ not to call it a beer?

what a load of wank (-1, Troll)

joss (1346) | more than 8 years ago | (#13154422)

It's called a recipe for fuck's sake. BFD^2

English are crap (-1, Offtopic)

Anonymous Coward | more than 8 years ago | (#13154434)

If they can not see the difference between an Arab and a Brazilian, they could not understand the difference between gratis and libre.

Super Flex (1)

KrunZ (247479) | more than 8 years ago | (#13154467)

The beer is currently sold by the art performing group SuperFlex's(http://www.superflex.net/ [superflex.net] ) shop. The shop is called COPYSHOP. Press info:

"COPYSHOP CHALLENGES INTELLECTUAL PROPERTY.
COPYSHOP is a place where you can photocopy everything from text to images. We use this name for a shop and information forum which will investigate the phenomena of copying. In COPYSHOP you will find products that challenges intellectual property. It can be modified originals, improved copies, political anti-brands. - or a SUPERCOPY as the new original. COPYSHOP will discuss the control of value in the same place where it is produced and distributed: the market. As an active player the function of COPYSHOP will be as an ordinary shop. Furthermore, COPYSHOP will function as a gathering point and network "

Beer is already free (as in speech) (4, Insightful)

Trurl's Machine (651488) | more than 8 years ago | (#13154470)

Sorry folks, but that's just plainly stupid. All IP issues with recipe for beer should be settled with Hildegard of Bingen [fordham.edu] . This German Benedictine nun was the first author to suggest that adding hops to the disgusting fluid hitherto known as beer will be generally a good idea. Since the age of Hildegard (12 century), no significant progress has been made in this topic - she has described the beer as we know it today. And as it was with many medieval philospophers, Hildegard created her "intellectual property" just "ad maiorem Dei gloriam", feel free to copy for the greater God's glory. So there is no need to make "open source beer" today - it was open source since last eight centuries.

Personally, I think the idea of adding guarana to beer is just plainly insane. Beer is meant to relax people. If I want to stay alert and awake I can drink coffee or energy drinks. Beer is something to drink when the work is over and you can relax. Guarana beer is like coffee with sleeping pills.

Re:Beer is already free (as in speech) (1, Informative)

cyxxon (773198) | more than 8 years ago | (#13154514)

And since you already mentioned it: adding Guarana also makes this beer not adhere to the Deitsche Reinheitsgebot (German Purity Law) for beer, which AFAIK is a requirement for selling a beverage under that name in Germany (the law limits the ingedients to hops, malt, yeast and water). So, they probably could distribute their source under some open source license, but I do not think any commercial verndor will pick this up anytime soon and sell it pre-compiled in Germany...

MOD PARENT UP! (-1, Offtopic)

Anonymous Coward | more than 8 years ago | (#13154536)

no text

Out of morbid curiosity..... (3, Funny)

Volvogga (867092) | more than 8 years ago | (#13154479)

can a person under the legal drinking age purchase these ingrediants without anyone asking for ID?

I know that malt can be used for other things (although I doubt lager malt has other uses), and hops have properties that stop bacterial reaction (although I have never heard of their use for anything else). Yeast, of course, is used for bread. So for thoes with experience in home bewing, what's the verdict?

Bugs in your beer!! (1)

tod_miller (792541) | more than 8 years ago | (#13154488)

A typical pest in those hot sunny long afternoons!

I am eagerly awaiting Beerzilla.

Seriously, this completely confuses the whole issue:

Someone: Its free folks!
Folks: Free as in Free Rights or free beer?
Someone: Erm, Free Beer?
Folks: Is that free beer or Free Beer?
Someone: erm, well...

Alcohol (depressant) + Guarana (stimulant) (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 8 years ago | (#13154489)

Considering that alcohol can quite easily have someone out cold, and coffee can barely keep me awake through a bad lecture, would the net effect of such a drink be significantly different?

Re:Alcohol (depressant) + Guarana (stimulant) (1)

bhtooefr (649901) | more than 8 years ago | (#13154565)

Hmm... I'll have to ask my friends on that one...

They're the ones that put Bailey's Irish Creme in coffee in the morning...

Of course, them doing it in the morning tells me that the caffeine outweighs the alcohol...

Groovy (2, Funny)

Papay-Noel (316944) | more than 8 years ago | (#13154526)

Now I just need debian support to fulfill my dreams:

apt-get pour beer

or

apt-get drink --to-death beer

Long live to open source!

ALERT!!! DO NOT DRINK IT! (4, Funny)

aysa (452184) | more than 8 years ago | (#13154535)

This beer has a viral license.
After you drink it you are running embedded beer and you will have to open all your internals for free
(small fee for sending your intestines is acceptable)

Re:ALERT!!! DO NOT DRINK IT! (1)

ZsoL (902409) | more than 8 years ago | (#13154573)

Anyways, it puts a backdoor in you. One day someone will walk by, and just hack himself into you ;-)

Free Beer Machine (1)

Saeger (456549) | more than 8 years ago | (#13154551)

Truly free beer -- as in no $, and no design secrets -- is about 10 to 20 years away.

This "molecular manufacturing device on every desktop" will eventually enable anyone to reproduce any desired object using a combination of free stored solar energy, recycled, abundant component molecules, and open (or closed) source "3D blueprints".

Also, a nice side effect of a "make anything replicator" will be to reduce the incentive to want to make source artificially scarce in the first place, since there's no more worries about putting food on the table. Self-sufficiency is very liberating.

Re:Free Beer Machine (1)

RPoet (20693) | more than 8 years ago | (#13154576)

Your comment must have prompted a million geeks to think "tea. earl grey. hot." :)

might be useless (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 8 years ago | (#13154572)

At least in Sweden, recipes don't have "verkshöjd" (which means they are not unique enough to be covered by the copyright system). I suspect Danish law is rather similar.

So you can probably put any license you want on this stuff, and it won't matter. You can treat it like American-style public domain anyway.

I understand this is a joke, but the long rants about how the open source concept works for beer (as if there were such a thing as 'proprietary beer') might be lost on some people who are unaware of this. There are so many other things that this would have worked on: movies, music, ...

Re:might be useless (1)

RPoet (20693) | more than 8 years ago | (#13154599)

Recipes can get legal protection through being "trade secrets", though. This recipe doesn't have that restriction, so it's a lot freer than any other beer I can think of.

a great effort but (1)

pH03n1X (859019) | more than 8 years ago | (#13154585)

i would have still preferred free beer thats free as in "free beer" ....

yuck! (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 8 years ago | (#13154598)

If it contains guarana it is not adhering to the Reinheitsgebot. This is not beer, but a beer-like liquid substance. It might be just suitable for Americans. Sucks to be you.

So with this beer (1)

jurt1235 (834677) | more than 8 years ago | (#13154603)

I do not need to drink coffee afterwards to get a bit more sober again? Hum, just as with other "free" stuff, the fun is taken out of it by integrating the product just a bit too much.
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