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Yahoo Purchases Konfabulator

Zonk posted more than 9 years ago | from the widgets-for-sale dept.

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NerdyPunk2ML writes "Macworld news has an article about Yahoo's acquisition of Konfabulator, which will be announced Monday. Yahoo company executives said they will be giving Konfabulator away for free, completely doing away with the US$19.95 currently charged for the product. The reason they purchased Konfabulator was they wanted an easy way to open up its APIs to the developer community and allow them easy access to the information on the Yahoo web site." From the article: "The acquisition of Konfabulator may not be the last Mac compatible product users see from Yahoo! While Schneider wasn't specific, he did say that there was interest in the Mac. 'There is a move at Yahoo! -- in addition to Konfabulator -- to move more onto the Mac,' said Schneider. 'We want to make sure we find a way to be more cross platform.'"

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GNAA (-1, Offtopic)

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Cheap buy? (4, Interesting)

Chmarr (18662) | more than 9 years ago | (#13153967)

I'm sure the fact that Konfabulator's 'buy out price' went WAY down after Tiger, and Dashboard, were released has NOTHING, no, NOTHING AT ALL to do with this sale :)

Re:Cheap buy? (1)

aergern (127031) | more than 9 years ago | (#13154012)

If they didn't have a Windows version of this as well.. I'd say yes. :)

Unless VISTA has Widgets like these.. then I'm not sure why Yahoo! spent this money.

Re:Cheap buy? (3, Funny)

ceeam (39911) | more than 9 years ago | (#13154086)

Unless VISTA has Widgets like these..

Bwahaha! Thanks for a laugh. If ever Microsoft makes something like these I bet you whatever you wish it will NOT be a simple zip file format for widgets with resource images, xml configs and JS scripts in it. It will probably be a hecked up binary (they will provide a semi-documented interface to work with it. Maybe.) with uncompressed BMP images, UTF16 encoded strings, etc, etc. Expect at least 3-5 megs per widget. Of course only MS signed widgets will run without a hack. In short - see how they implemented Windows Themes for example. Oh, and you will need to install .NET 2.0 runtime and MSIE 7.0 of course!

Re:Cheap buy? (3, Interesting)

ceeam (39911) | more than 9 years ago | (#13154047)

I wonder whether more Konfabulator copies were actually sold for Windows than for Macs?

Re:Cheap buy? (4, Insightful)

Ilgaz (86384) | more than 9 years ago | (#13154115)

Well it was there all this time and code is so mature that there are Tiger owners buying it.

If I liked things like Dashboard, I'd go for Konfabulator too.

They went win32 in weeks after Apple included same functionality with the OS.

Also don't forget one thing. We, geeks use latest and greatest OS when it ships but many people currently run 10.3 and even 10.2.8. It can run on them.

Well I call this "Happy ending". I don't have spesific "hate" against Apple as zealots assume, I am an Apple user myself. Just I think they should make them a favor, not money or something, credit or a name mention.

Just seek how EA (electronic arts) was founded, you will be surprised.

This is happy ending I think. Everyone is happy including licensed customers of Konf.

ps: For people jumping and saying "They didn't invent it!' etc, I was running Active Desktop at IE 4 times on win32

Re:Cheap buy? (2, Insightful)

UniverseIsADoughnut (170909) | more than 9 years ago | (#13154121)

Come on now, who can resist a product named.

Konfabulatorahoo!

This makes me happy, since I have been very unhappy with apples implementation. Many widgets such as iTunes widgets and weather widgets are pretty worthless when they don't say up all the time. Why bring up Dashboard to then get the itunes widget to click "next" when you could just click on itunes. Konfabulator had is right with widgets being able to stay on the desktop all the time.

fp yo (-1, Offtopic)

Anonymous Coward | more than 9 years ago | (#13153968)

LOLGOATSE

failit :( :D

ugh (1)

nthitz (840462) | more than 9 years ago | (#13153971)

I doubt this will leave a good taste in anyones mouth

fells like dvorak... (3, Funny)

soapdog (773638) | more than 9 years ago | (#13153974)

Heh, I know Google will now buy Apple to get hands on Dashboard, way better than konfab... /me fells insightfull

Re:fells like dvorak... (1)

UndyingShadow (867720) | more than 9 years ago | (#13153978)

Nah, Google will just start buying up all the monitor companies...can you say "Direct Overlay"

Why use a computer monitor? (1)

RKBA (622932) | more than 9 years ago | (#13154177)

I'm safe then, because I use a 1280x1024 front-screen video projector and a projection screen as my computer monitor! Right now I'm reclining in my Barcalounger easy chair typing on the wireless keyboard on my lap and using the wireless mouse to my right as necessary. The image of SlashDot I'm viewing is about four feet tall by five feet wide and is about eight feet directly in front of my easy chair. It's great. The high resolution HDTV capable projector I'm using (NEC LT10) cost less than $2,000. I'd recommend this type of setup to everyone. Now, if I pass out from exhaustion while using my computer, instead of falling out of my chair onto the floor - I can simply push back on the recliner, lie back, and fall asleep. :-)

Re:fells like dvorak... (0, Offtopic)

gcnaddict (841664) | more than 9 years ago | (#13154026)

"fells like dvorak..." Dvorak does fellatio? thats a thought that I dont really want to imagine...

Allah... (-1, Troll)

Anonymous Coward | more than 9 years ago | (#13153975)

...Akbar!

*pushes detonator*

Re:Allah... (-1, Troll)

Anonymous Coward | more than 9 years ago | (#13154018)

This is pretty funny, especially compared to most of the other /. trolls in circulation.

It's nice because it fits the same no matter what the article is about.

Cheers! Allah akbar!

Re:Allah... (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 9 years ago | (#13154097)

biased arent you? thats like saying "bar mitzvah" and pressing the red button

too lazy to google right now (-1, Redundant)

fbartho (840012) | more than 9 years ago | (#13153976)

so I'm too lazy to google right now... what's Konfabulator? It sounds like some marketing BS crossed with the crazy trend of replacing C's with K's in Business products to give them a unique trademark... and to make them "cool" but not really.

Re:too lazy to google right now (1)

soapdog (773638) | more than 9 years ago | (#13153980)

konfab is like dashboard and both are like desktop widget and I don't know why I feel that flamewars will start in couple minutes... Konfab x Dashboard: the prior art battle... almost like Vi x Emacs: How many keys can you press at the same time...

Re:too lazy to google right now (1)

Cocteaustin (702468) | more than 9 years ago | (#13154132)

No need to press a key to use a Konfabulator widget, that is one of the big usability advantages over Apple desktop widgets.

Re:too lazy to google right now (0, Offtopic)

Bambi Dee (611786) | more than 9 years ago | (#13154188)

Ah, there's your problem. You're not supposed to press Esc, v, j, j, j, E, ", +, y, Shift-Down, e, *damn*, k, ", +, g, P and i all at the same time! (Relax, I use it too when I can't use Kate or Textpad or Scintilla or EDLIN.)

Re:too lazy to google right now (4, Funny)

QuantumG (50515) | more than 9 years ago | (#13153987)

pointless javascript based desktop junk.

Re:too lazy to google right now (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 9 years ago | (#13154004)

I think it's actually pointless XML based desktop junk :-)

Re:too lazy to google right now (1)

mad.frog (525085) | more than 9 years ago | (#13154044)

who the hell modded this "interesting"? if you want to give an informed, reasoned response as to somethings junkitude, fair enough. but no way should this get modded up.

Re:too lazy to google right now (1)

QuantumG (50515) | more than 9 years ago | (#13154065)

I agree, but it's not like had any say in the matter.

Re:too lazy to google right now (1)

ceeam (39911) | more than 9 years ago | (#13154067)

Well, mostly yeah, you are right. Unless you have a permanent Internet connection (and that's a big "unless"). Then things get interesting and you can actually save yourself a lot of browsing and stuff.

Re:too lazy to google right now (5, Interesting)

uprock_x (855650) | more than 9 years ago | (#13154008)

Konfabulator == widgets; desktop thingys made from *ml, javascript etc.

Apple later came up with Dashboard, created the mother of all smokescreens about Desktop Accessories to plead that it was not inspired by Konfabulator and the rest is history.

Apple's behaviour apparently wasn't breaking any law as such but it was the equivalent of some kid leaning over your shoulder and copying your homework. I expect the Dashboard apologists will appear shortly pointing to a piece of FUD called daringfireball, but the question remains:

would Dashboard have existed in the form it does, using the underlying technologies it does, trying to serve the purpose it does and look how it does if Konfabulator never had existed ?

answer: um...ah....oh

I say good luck to Konfabulator, hope they got a good price from Yahoo

Re:too lazy to google right now (1)

KillShill (877105) | more than 9 years ago | (#13154042)

widgets isn't a new phenomenon. and frankly, just about everything in modern personal computers isn't either.

we as a people have been copying things from each other since the begining. it is only natural and in fact recommended.

give up those old robber baron notions of "intellectual property" before we get into a really bad situation, like software patents or using holding companies solely to bring lawsuits as a business model. oh wai....t.

the right to have rights. i hear something...

is that you louis armstrong?

Re:too lazy to google right now (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 9 years ago | (#13154074)

I'm sure the success of Konfabulator does play into Dashboard's existance and current , but I do remember this story on folklore.org [folklore.org] about some early ideas for MacOS. It may have been someone at Apple looking at Konfabulator and saying "hey, this is actually doable now."

Re:too lazy to google right now (5, Funny)

KDR_11k (778916) | more than 9 years ago | (#13154076)

At what point did MS steal the idea for Active Desktop?

Re:too lazy to google right now (4, Informative)

johnbeat (685167) | more than 9 years ago | (#13154092)

>would Dashboard have existed in the form it does, using the
>underlying technologies it does, trying to serve the purpose it
>does and look how it does if Konfabulator never had existed ?

Meanwhile, other posters are complaining that Dashboard *doesn't* copy Konfabulator and requires (barring developer mode) looking at all of them at once.

Yes, Dashboard would have existed without Konfabulator. Dashboard is based on WebKit. WebKit is part of OS X. WebKit is what powers Safari and Mail's HTML rendering (and probably most other third-party HTML renderers at this point).

http://webkit.opendarwin.org/ [opendarwin.org]

Dashboard came at the same time that Automator did; Apple appears to be trying to ensure that their technologies are easy to automate and script into small, useful apps. After AppleScript, Automator, and the various scripting languages on the command line, it made perfect sense to build a javascript/HTML development tool based on WebKit.

I suspect that the only thing that would have changed if Konfabulator did not exist is that Apple would not have called their widgets "gadgets" for a few days.

Jerry

Daring. (2, Informative)

Xenex (97062) | more than 9 years ago | (#13154111)

Here it is [daringfireball.net] .

I don't think you understand what FUD [wikipedia.org] means.

Re:too lazy to google right now (1)

dr.badass (25287) | more than 9 years ago | (#13154136)

Apple's behaviour apparently wasn't breaking any law as such but it was the equivalent of some kid leaning over your shoulder and copying your homework.

Actually, it's more like being assigned the same problem and coming up with a similar solution. And there's no law against fair competition.

I expect the Dashboard apologists will appear shortly pointing to a piece of FUD called daringfireball, but the question remains:

"FUD" does not mean what you think it means. Also what on earth is a "Dashboard apologist"?

would Dashboard have existed in the form it does, using the underlying technologies it does, trying to serve the purpose it does and look how it does if Konfabulator never had existed ?

Maybe not, but some other product filling the same need, likely in a similar way, would have. Likewise, people wouldn't call foul if someone other than Apple had released Dashboard. People love a David-and-Goliath story, even after David gets bought by Yahoo.

Re:too lazy to google right now (1)

ryanov (193048) | more than 9 years ago | (#13154135)

I personally thought that it was part of KDE without RTFA'ing. Turns out it's a desktop widget thing. Chris Pirillo must be thrilled! [slashdot.org]

highly doubt (1, Funny)

akhomerun (893103) | more than 9 years ago | (#13153981)

with dashboard out, just like the article implies, i doubt yahoo will continue making its widgets for dashboard. of course, my comment is kind of an obvious statement...but hey it's 1 in the morning no one should notice.

Re:highly doubt (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 9 years ago | (#13154191)

by akhomerun (893103) on 25/07/05 17:37 :P

Please, take me seriously! (5, Funny)

Anonymous Coward | more than 9 years ago | (#13153983)

And the CEO's new job title, "Director of Widget Technology"! What a step up.

Re:Please, take me seriously! (5, Funny)

Rellik66 (596729) | more than 9 years ago | (#13154202)

And I'll be the Director of Minor Widget Technology

or DiMWiT for short

Great news for Yahoo users. (5, Insightful)

spooje (582773) | more than 9 years ago | (#13153984)

This is great news for Yahoo lovers. Konfabulator was a super easy for non-programmers to make great little apps for the Mac. I'd love to to see what these things can do if you're able to hook them into the full range of Yahoo information/services.

I wonder if this is at the urging of Yahoo Japan? Here Yahoo is the most popular portal and search engine. I've heard Mac sales, not including the iPod, are way up so maybe there's some pressure to make things more cross platform?

Re:Great news for Yahoo users. (1)

Cocteaustin (702468) | more than 9 years ago | (#13154146)

Nope, this came from the new Y! Developer Network [yahoo.net] (my team, based in Sunnyvale). There's no pressure to make things x-platform, it's just the right thing to do.

Kon... fa... bulator... (0, Troll)

creimer (824291) | more than 9 years ago | (#13153985)

I think Yahoo bought this [dailywav.com] instead.

Re:Kon... fa... bulator... (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 9 years ago | (#13154131)

wow ur fat

New Package, Same Old (-1, Flamebait)

pipingguy (566974) | more than 9 years ago | (#13153986)


Cool! JavaScript widgets on the desktop!

Aren't these already available as an extra cost upgrade for Firefox?

Re:New Package, Same Old (1, Informative)

Anonymous Coward | more than 9 years ago | (#13154000)

Aren't these already available as an extra cost upgrade for Firefox?

Extra cost? Idiot. Firefox doesn't cost anything in the first place, unless you're kind enough to order a cd. And no, these have nothing to do with Firefox.

This post's chaptcha: haggle [slashdot.org]

Too bad (0)

FlameSnyper (31312) | more than 9 years ago | (#13153988)

It's just too bad Apple didn't do this. I mean, Dashboard's cool and all, but some widgets just work better _on_ the desktop.

Re:Too bad (3, Informative)

rebug (520669) | more than 9 years ago | (#13154025)

Well... [mesadynamics.com]

Re:Too bad (1)

UniverseIsADoughnut (170909) | more than 9 years ago | (#13154139)

Nice to see that, now if only apple will hurry up and do this so dashboard works the way it should have in the first place.

I'm not dead! (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 9 years ago | (#13153994)

"While Schneider wasn't specific, he did say that there was interest in the Mac."

Maybe someone should do a big piece about the resurgence of the Mac?

Konfabulator ?? (5, Informative)

Jeet81 (613099) | more than 9 years ago | (#13154003)

Took me some time to figure out what Konfabulator actually is.

After fiddling around with the website I found this:
Konfabulator is a JavaScript runtime engine for Windows and Mac OS X that lets you run little files called Widgets that can do pretty much whatever you want them to.

Hope that helps someone.

Re:Konfabulator ?? (0)

rm999 (775449) | more than 9 years ago | (#13154032)

Yeah, I went on the internet and gave up trying to figure out what the hell it is after about 10 minutes. Can't an executable pretty much do anything you want them to?

Re:Konfabulator ?? (2, Informative)

fodi (452415) | more than 9 years ago | (#13154084)

You spent 10 minutes and failed? you need help. I typed "Konfabulator" into Google and took the first link, which came up with the quote in the parent post....

Lately Submissions Suck! (0, Offtopic)

ImaLamer (260199) | more than 9 years ago | (#13154053)

I hate complaining, but this is the submission:

"Macworld news has an article about Yahoo's acquisition of Konfabulator [macworld.com] , which will be announced Monday. Yahoo company executives said they will be giving Konfabulator away for free, completely doing away with the US$19.95 currently charged for the product. The reason they purchased Konfabulator was they wanted an easy way to open up its APIs to the developer community and allow them easy access to the information on the Yahoo web site." From the article: "The acquisition of Konfabulator may not be the last Mac compatible product users see from Yahoo! While Schneider wasn't specific, he did say that there was interest in the Mac. 'There is a move at Yahoo! -- in addition to Konfabulator -- to move more onto the Mac,' said Schneider. 'We want to make sure we find a way to be more cross platform.'"


It should be like this:

"Macworld news has an article [macworld.com] about Yahoo's acquisition of Konfabulator [konfabulator.com] , which will be announced Monday. Yahoo company executives said they will be giving Konfabulator away for free, completely doing away with the US$19.95 currently charged for the product. The reason they purchased Konfabulator was they wanted an easy way to open up its APIs to the developer community and allow them easy access to the information on the Yahoo web site." From the article: "The acquisition of Konfabulator may not be the last Mac compatible product users see from Yahoo! While Schneider wasn't specific, he did say that there was interest in the Mac. 'There is a move at Yahoo! -- in addition to Konfabulator -- to move more onto the Mac,' said Schneider. 'We want to make sure we find a way to be more cross platform.'"


I know it is silly - but we always linked on the verbs, and I think we should try to do that more. Then, maybe at least one link to a relevant site is needed to help out the clueless. If we are being shown RAID 101 stories, are we expected to know every piece of software out there?

Re:Konfabulator ?? (1)

plaxion (98397) | more than 9 years ago | (#13154056)

I'm sure you weren't the only one who was konfabulated by it ;)

Re:Konfabulator ?? (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 9 years ago | (#13154057)

Wikipedia article on Konfabulator: [wikipedia.org]

Konfabulator is a shareware JavaScript runtime engine for Mac OS X and Windows which runs small applications called Widgets. It combines this engine with an XML document structure that can be used to author custom Widgets. In addition to those created by Arlo Rose & Perry Clarke, the authors of Konfabulator, Widgets created by Konfabulator's users are also available to download and install. Mac OS X v10.4 contains a feature similar to Konfabulator called Dashboard.


Originally a Mac-only application, Konfabulator for Windows was released on November 8, 2004. Its main commercial competitor on the Windows platform is DesktopX, developed by Stardock. Other programs offering similar functionality include Kapsules (for Windows), gDesklets (for GNOME/Linux), and SuperKaramba (for KDE/Linux).

The JavaScript engine used by Konfabulator is the Mozilla SpiderMonkey implementation, and currently conforms to Mozilla JavaScript version 1.5, (equivalent to ECMAScript 262 edition 3, with Mozilla extensions).

Konfabulator version 2.0 was released on May 18, 2005.

Konsposé

Konfabulator provides a feature called Konsposé, which is patterned after Mac OS X's Exposé. Activated (by default) by pressing the F8 key, this causes all Widgets to be brought to the foreground, and all other applications to be dimmed. Widgets can be set to be Konsposé-only, meaning that they'll only appear when Konsposé is activated.

Konfabulator authors

* Arlo Rose * Perry Clarke
(Quoted to avoid Wikipedia trollery.)

Re:Konfabulator ?? (1)

aarku (151823) | more than 9 years ago | (#13154061)

Octojebus forbid you to RTFA. I mean, the Konfabulator link is the 10th word in the linked article. Oh wait, "RTFA? Welcome to /. You must be new here"

Re:Konfabulator ?? (4, Insightful)

QuantumG (50515) | more than 9 years ago | (#13154129)

How are you supposed to figure out if you want to RTFA or not if the summary doesn't contain a description of what the hell it is TFA is talking about. The "editors" are supposed to reject shit summaries like this one.

Re:Konfabulator ?? (2, Informative)

aarku (151823) | more than 9 years ago | (#13154143)

True, but most /. summaries don't explain what they are talking about. Take the previous story about FreeBSD for an example. Then it just comes down to a point of view about what the vast majority of readers already know about. So, that's just like, your opinion, man.

Re:Konfabulator ?? (1)

QuantumG (50515) | more than 9 years ago | (#13154186)

How so? The previous story at least had a link to the summer of code story so people could get the back history. Just a link to the "about Konfabulator" page would have helped.

What cool/geeky ones exist? (1)

antdude (79039) | more than 9 years ago | (#13154128)

I know some of you use this product already. What are cool widgets you're running on? I am curious what's out there.

I still run Mac OS X 10.2.8 on my old PowerBook G4 so I wonder if I am missing out with these goodies.

Good press begins with the Mac (4, Insightful)

aftk2 (556992) | more than 9 years ago | (#13154019)

While Schneider wasn't specific, he did say that there was interest in the Mac. 'There is a move at Yahoo! -- in addition to Konfabulator -- to move more onto the Mac,' said Schneider. '

I don't find this surprising. Lately, it seems that Yahoo has been getting some of the positive internet buzz that used to be reserved solely for Google. I imagine that releasing products specifically for Mac users is aimed at garnering similar buzz.

While Macs have a relatively small share of the market, they are, however, well represented among popular bloggers, technorati (ugh) and the mavens of the web: inform or impress these folks, and you will begin to inform and impress the rest of the web. This is a move to grab mindshare.

Re:Good press begins with the Mac (4, Interesting)

jesterzog (189797) | more than 9 years ago | (#13154144)

I don't find this surprising. Lately, it seems that Yahoo has been getting some of the positive internet buzz that used to be reserved solely for Google.

They're definitely providing at least a couple of services which I'm surprised that Google isn't heavily involved in just yet.

One of them is YahooGroups [yahoo.com] , for running mailing lists (along with several additional group-like features latched on). I guess Yahoo picked up a lot of this market by default, especially after Listbot [listbot.com] was shut down by Microsoft. The other is Yahoo Calendar [yahoo.com] , which I'm admittedly only just starting to play with, but I'm finding it useful.

The biggest reason that I'm surprised Google hasn't touched these areas is that they're both very search-oriented, or can be. Just about everything Google's done in the past has been based around some kind of searching, or generally helping people to find things. That's where Google's expertise is.

Re:Good press begins with the Mac (1)

undef24 (159451) | more than 9 years ago | (#13154201)

Have you heard of Google groups?

Re:Good press begins with the Mac (1)

Cocteaustin (702468) | more than 9 years ago | (#13154158)

That's all true, but we didn't do this deal to impress the blogosphere. We did it because Konfabulator is a kickass software development platform and it will enable us to bring more Yahoo! goodness to Windows and the Mac.

Yahoo! goodness? Hahahaha (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 9 years ago | (#13154204)

Go back to ten years ago when you didn't suck.

Real sorry google came and ownt your ass, but maybe if you weren't so busy trying to figure out where else to jam giant flash ads on your pages you wouldn't have fallen behind.

Go hang out with Excite and Lycos in the also-ran room.

Yahoo so pathetic now ? buying shareware apps.. (-1, Troll)

Anonymous Coward | more than 9 years ago | (#13154037)

Yahoo's coders couldn't recreate the konfabulator thing ? this is a two-bit shareware piece of software. this shows they don't really have much talent left. why don't they just sell themselves to aol time warner and become yahooaoltimewarner. one day, maybe by 2010...this is what yahoo's hollywood ceo who didn't even use email when he joined yahoo, will eventually do. that's what he knows.

Clutter (5, Insightful)

TheStonepedo (885845) | more than 9 years ago | (#13154045)

I can't see the purpose of a weather function on the desktop or perhaps a news ticker. All of the clutter of widgets cannot be worth the slight gain in functionality. A well-organized homepage with links/bookmarks should do the trick. A click or two to launch and use a browser are worth saving desktop real estate on a low-res (1024x768) LCD like mine.

Re:Clutter (1)

spooje (582773) | more than 9 years ago | (#13154098)

Well my father likes to listen to German radio over the net while watching the weather chanel all night, now he can turn off the TV.

Re:Clutter (1)

enjoilax (792737) | more than 9 years ago | (#13154101)

Well it does have a seperate "konspose" layer that is hidden (i think F8 is the key) Anyways, this minimizes clutter, i ran my calculator, note pad, calender, etc. in that layer, on my desktop i only had wi-fi meter, and digital clock (easier to read).

Re:Clutter (4, Interesting)

coldmist (154493) | more than 9 years ago | (#13154187)

I've played around with it a bit. I have it on my laptop. The widgets are showing battery (much, much nicer than the stupid default windows one), wifi stength, disk usage, and weather.

Of these, only the weather one "could" be shown through a browser.

I have mine set to only be seen as part of the background, so none of the widgets are on top of any windows. But they are visible if all windows are minimized

My only complaint is the memory footprint (20MB just for the engine, plus 1-5MB per widget), and some widgets are CPU hogs, causing my battery to drain faster than usual (one of the battery monitors!) and cpu to stay hotter.

I just bought Konfabulator (2, Funny)

aarku (151823) | more than 9 years ago | (#13154050)

I bought it about a week ago. It's nice, but this blows. How do I look on the bright side of this? I could use that $20.

Re:I just bought Konfabulator (5, Informative)

FuzzzyLogik (592766) | more than 9 years ago | (#13154069)

if you read the damn article you'd notice they were giving refunds to people who bought it in the past 2 months. reading is fundamental and i don't think half the fucking population can do it anymore.

Re:I just bought Konfabulator (2)

aarku (151823) | more than 9 years ago | (#13154119)

It's much more fun to just react to the first few lines of the article! I saw the refund thing a tad later and got a good laugh. Lighten up! :)

I just bought Windows. (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 9 years ago | (#13154070)

Not any different than buying Windows, and Linux suddenly coming along and blowing it away.

I'm certain all those Windows users could have used that $80.

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Re:I just bought Windows. (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 9 years ago | (#13154099)

I'm sure that by the time that happens $80 won't buy you a cup of coffee.

Re:I just bought Konfabulator (0, Troll)

Tim_F (12524) | more than 9 years ago | (#13154075)

If you really needed that $20.00 then you wouldn't have bought the software. What a stupid question.

Re:I just bought Konfabulator (1)

aarku (151823) | more than 9 years ago | (#13154130)

I need every bit of money of mine that isn't well spent. :) If you have some extra cash for a poor college student with your fancy 5 digit uid, send it this way. At least I didn't pirate it.

Re:I just bought Konfabulator (1)

aarku (151823) | more than 9 years ago | (#13154077)

Okay, relax everyone! Yahoo says I get a refund! (And you do too if you bought it in the last two Months) Take that, luck!

Re:I just bought Konfabulator (1)

ari_j (90255) | more than 9 years ago | (#13154109)

Luck still wins. After postage, handling, and taxes, you'll probably get a bill from Yahoo for their time. :P

Re:I just bought Konfabulator (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 9 years ago | (#13154087)

RTFA. You're getting a refund.

Why did you buy Konfabulator last week?

Microsoft is missing out. Again. (0, Troll)

melted (227442) | more than 9 years ago | (#13154068)

This could be THE perfect vehicle to get people to actually use MSN. As a bonus, if they bought Konfabulator, they could release it without worrying that someone might blame them for ripping off Apple, because Apple themselves ripped off the Konfabulator. Please, someone at MSN, I'm a shareholder and I want to hear heads roll.

Re:Microsoft is missing out. Again. (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 9 years ago | (#13154088)

Please, someone at MSN, I'm a shareholder and I want to hear heads roll.

Just go out with Gates or Ballmer one night. Word is, they routinely go bowling... with human heads!

Re:Microsoft is missing out. Again. (1)

KDR_11k (778916) | more than 9 years ago | (#13154108)

Where's the difference between "Konfabulator" and Active Desktop? So far it sounds pretty similar.

Will it make a difference? (0, Offtopic)

Pranadevil2k (687232) | more than 9 years ago | (#13154091)

When Apple makes it transition to x86 will it make a difference if Yahoo has G5 compatible software?

Great news! (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 9 years ago | (#13154095)

When Dashboard came out, I immediately though of Konfabulator.

This is a great move for Arlo and crew.

From the konfabulator webpage. (1)

Lithus (733695) | more than 9 years ago | (#13154114)

Title: The Day Before The Big News
Tomorrow, Konfabulator will enter its next phase of life.
It's not a major new version, or a fancy new set of widgets.
It's the beginning of something big.
When you'll hear us say...
"Excellent!"
"Woot!"
"Hooray!"
"YAHOO!"



Website [konfabulator.com]

Re:From the konfabulator webpage. (1)

Pete (2228) | more than 9 years ago | (#13154148)

I thought the little comic storyline was really cool too. Made me laugh out loud quite a few times. :)

Yahoo! is the greatest (2, Insightful)

CarbonBasedSoda (902364) | more than 9 years ago | (#13154123)

Honestely... name another service with so much free stuff (that's actually useful). There's email, fantasy sports, chat, IM, photo storage, stocks, streaming stocks for $10 a month, and the list goes on and on. Konfabulator is awesome, if MicroSoft had released it, it would cost $69.95 in the form of an OS update. Praise Yahoo!!

Re:Yahoo! is the greatest (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 9 years ago | (#13154165)

While I wouldn't be so blind as to praise them, I do agree that Yahoo has an excellent bundle of web services. I'm not aware of any other one company that could provide a better data source for desktop widgets and I think this is a fantastic move.

Although I still question how useful desktop widgets would be... (although I have no excuse not to try them now...)

Incredibly annoying. (1)

Time Doctor (79352) | more than 9 years ago | (#13154134)

They post this PR, and won't let you download the damn product. The downloads page on the main site sends you to the index of the main site when you click on the download links. I'm trying to download your stupid widget factory, not look at the cartoon of how awesome you are for re-doing widgets on the desktop, you insensitive clods!

looks like the semantic web is taking off (4, Insightful)

mstone (8523) | more than 9 years ago | (#13154140)

While I don't care much about Konfabulator per se, it's interesting to see how popular non-browser, web-based mini-apps are becoming. Looks like the first little frothy bit on the wave of the semantic web has arrived. It'll be interesting to see if this ends up generating as much buzz as the last few Next Big Things.

It certainly has the potential to. It's a platform-independent application framework, just like Java-on-the-browser was supposed to be, but this iteration is free from the one-size-fits-all constraints that browser-based development imposed (plus, widgets don't have to be stateless). In fact, this has all the earmarks of a disruptive technology, with the added advantage that it's based on well-deployed standard technologies.. i.e.: stuff Microsoft can't mess with as easily as Java.

I tried Konfabulator a few months ago (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 9 years ago | (#13154142)

And uninstalled it a few days later. It had lots of nice looking widgets that show you stock ticker, calendar, weather, time, etc. However, as mentioned before, all this stuff can be found on your home page, or messnger client, and who needs more stuff on an already cluttered desktop.

Keeping up with Mr&Mrs Jones... (1)

Shipwack (684009) | more than 9 years ago | (#13154149)

Does this mean that Google will buyout Stardock Systems for its Object Desktop? http://www.stardock.com/products/odnt/ [stardock.com]

And it's good for Windows users too (2, Insightful)

moriya (195881) | more than 9 years ago | (#13154151)

People seem to be looking at this from one side. And that's the Mac side. The first batches of comments seem to stem from folks who are keeping up with the Apple/Mac side of things.

While the acquisition of Konfabulator and its removal of the pricetag is great news for all users of the program, do note that Konfabulator, while originating on the Mac, also has a competitor on the Windows side. That side has been dominated by Stardock's own DesktopX application where it's been around for quite a while now.

The news of Yahoo buying up Konfabulator will benefit both sides of the OS platform. Windows users can soon use Konfabulator for free as an alternative to Stardock's DesktopX which costs about US$15 to register/purchase.

Re:And it's good for Windows users too (1)

Aqua OS X (458522) | more than 9 years ago | (#13154179)

Yup. I -highly- doubt Yahoo bought this because they care about MacOS. They really started to focus on Windows development after Apple started pushing Dashboard.

Dashboard has been a smash hit on MacOS, owning the rights to a Windows equivalent could be a powerful asset.

Cross-platform? (1)

vga_init (589198) | more than 9 years ago | (#13154155)

I thought yahoo was cross platform. Java applets, HTML, etc...the usual web browser stuff.

Maybe Mac in this case simply means not Window, which could imply linux is included?

oh c'mon! (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 9 years ago | (#13154156)

When google buys something:
"what a great idea!"
"wow, and it's now free! how great is that?!?"
"google is making all the right moves!"

When yahoo buys something:
"wow, that's an terrible and useless buy"
"that's incredibly annoying, who would even use that?"
"that's already a product found in firefox!"

looking at the majority of posts in this story seems to confirm this... sad really.

I tried to like Konfabulator (3, Insightful)

Dixie_Flatline (5077) | more than 9 years ago | (#13154181)

...but in the end, I just never found anything that useful.

A weather checking widget? Check. But I have a web browser with a tab to my local weather up at all times anyway.

A package tracking widget? You bet. But I only have one or two packages to track every year. I always have a tab open to that page.

A calculator widget? Of course. But it's still slower than asking google, since my web browser is always open.

Konfabulator (and Dashboard) can do some pretty interesting things, as long as you don't have any other utilities on your machine. Unfortunately, it's unable to consolidate and replace the bunch of utilities that you already have, since you're unlikely to give up big things like your web browser.

I'm sure there are a bunch of people out there that really like it, and find it super useful. That's awesome. I'm glad someone appreciates the hard work that the Konfabulator (and Dashboard) guys did. I just can't find a single useful widget that isn't better implemented or accessed somewhere else.

A Better News Article on Konfabulator Sale (4, Informative)

Sundroid (777083) | more than 9 years ago | (#13154190)

Here is a better article on the news: http://seattlepi.nwsource.com/business/aptech_stor y.asp?category=1700&slug=Yahoo%20Konfabulator [nwsource.com]

It says Konfabulator has only three employees!!! Now we know which three households have champagnes popping tonight.

Yahoo? (0)

ryanov (193048) | more than 9 years ago | (#13154192)

1. Aquire widgets.
2. ???
3. Profit!!

How about a decent Yahoo Messanger! for Mac (5, Insightful)

Bright_Steel (87763) | more than 9 years ago | (#13154207)

I'm really disappointed Yahoo has left Yahoo messanger to rot on the vine.
No Supermode
No Audibles
No new features for years now.

Yahoo, when are you going to update Messanger for the Mac.
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