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Socket Adapter Brings Pentium M to Desktop

timothy posted about 9 years ago | from the sipping-power-corrupts-absolutely dept.

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EconolineCrush writes "Intel's Pentium M processor is widely regarded as the company's most compelling chip, and although desktop versions of it won't be available until next year, a new adapter from Asus allows users to run a Pentium M on existing Socket 478 motherboards. When coupled with a compatible motherboard, the CT-479 adapter is much cheaper than existing Pentium M desktop platforms, and also offers better performance by allowing the processor access to dual-channel memory configurations. Considering the Pentium M's frugal power consumption and great clock-for-clock performance, this could be an interesting upgrade for those looking for a low-noise system."

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Fairly Cheap (2, Funny)

Anonymous Coward | about 9 years ago | (#13161530)

Well, now I know what the question was for the answer of life, the universe, and everything. It's, "how much does the CT-479 cost."

Re:Fairly Cheap (3, Informative)

thegoogler (792786) | about 9 years ago | (#13161575)

quite a bit more than even a 3800+, 1.7ghz is $250 at newegg, and i think 2ghz was at about $399-410 right now, so

more than you would want to pay for a chip+adaptor

Re:Fairly Cheap (1)

/ASCII (86998) | about 9 years ago | (#13161614)

I don't understand Intels pricing of the Pentium M. It is like they really don't want anybody buying it. Quite a lot of people want to trade in a tiny amount of performance for a huge decrease in wattage. But the way Intel price the Pentium M and associated motherboard circuts, that option is far to expensive for most people. Why not diversify the processor line by selling both fast low wattage processors and slightly cheaper fast high wattage processors?

Re:Fairly Cheap (3, Insightful)

scum-e-bag (211846) | about 9 years ago | (#13162244)

Why not diversify the processor line by selling both fast low wattage processors and slightly cheaper fast high wattage processors?
The Intel marketing dept doesn't want to look foolish after having spent all that money on promoting the P4...

Re:Fairly Cheap (4, Informative)

eobanb (823187) | about 9 years ago | (#13161634)

Dude, he was asking how much the adapter, the CT-479, in the article was. It's $42.49.

Re:Fairly Cheap (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 9 years ago | (#13161734)

Sure AMD is cheaper to buy but nobody ever count the actual cost of running the damn thing...

Heck, if the pentium M is quieter (easyer to cool) AND it saves me more than 70$* per year in electricity bills hell I will certenly shell out a few bucks more for it.

Of corse if AMD put out a CPU that has reasonable power consumption (less than 20 watts) then the hell with Intel, but in the mean time, Intel has the lead with this baby

*Calculated wit the local (Québec) rates so it will most probably be double or more that for anyone else outside

Re:Fairly Cheap (1)

Bill Wong (583178) | about 9 years ago | (#13161863)

everything is cheaper on ebay.
although, the quality and condition is often dubious.
I've built quite a few low-power p3m/p4m/PM systems for my own home, and for family, mostly using 1.4 Ghz P4Ms (SL5ZH). They are fairly low power, and, generate only-just-enough-heat, that i've been able to run them fanless (with a huge heatsink, albeit). I've been very lucky with ebay, often being able to pick up my processors for 20~30 bucks. And, ever so often I manage to snipe a p3m for $5 bucks :)
the ultra low voltage Pentium-Ms that I like are a bit rare on ebay though. I've only picked up one SL7F4 (the 1.1Ghz P-M ULV) on ebay, and I paid out of my nose for it (but, still cheaper then retail!)
But, again, the quality is often not so good. I've gotten quite a few DOAs and processors that only lasted a few days before dying. But, such is the price of cheap processors :)

A little off topic but.... (-1, Offtopic)

Anonymous Coward | about 9 years ago | (#13161816)

This note seeks to establish through facts that Islam is an evil faith. Also
the note seeks to educate the Western reader, who has not been actively
exposed to Islam to understand Islam correctly. I have also highlighted the
action that is needed from the leaders and citizens of the World to fight
Islam and Muslims.

(Islam is organized on three pillars - (1) Koran (2) Hadis and (3) Shariah.
Koran is organized in terms of Chapters further divided into Suras small
paras. Another fundamental pillar of Islam is the Sunnah (Hadis) which refer
to accounts of Mohammed's life - kind of biography cum diary of how Mohammed
handled various situations including how he prayed, how he ate etc. It is
specific enough to the extent of how he went to toilet, what he muttered
then etc. Hadis is important and according to many remains a weakness of
Islam in view of the idealization of Mohammed's behavior by the orthodoxy
and the efforts by every believing Muslim to approach that ideal; orthodoxy
uses Hadis and Koran as tools to tie down ordinary Muslims to a ritualized
life. the third pillar of Muslim is the Shariah or the Islamic Law which too
has its origin in the Koran and the Hadis: Shariah refers to the Islamic
Jurisprudence - voluminous texts that Islamic scholars have put together; It
encompasses an entire gamut of issues including analyzing issues such as
depth of beard a person can have, the level to which Penis can into vagina
and the like!)

There are people who mention that Islam is a tolerant religion. These people
also mention that there are enough Suras which speak of tolerance towards
people of other religions.

Credible commentators on Islam have maintained for long that these Suras
which indicate tolerance occurred to Mohammed at a time when he was
persecuted by the Qureshi clan and when Mohammed was politically and
militarily weak. (Hence these commentators maintain that Allah as
conceptualized by Mohammed was to serve Mohammed himself). These
commentators have opined that Islam at best permits compassion and peace..
only to its members-Muslims

These commentators highlight that once Mohammed enconsced himself at Medina,
and once he became politically powerful, the Suras (The later Suras)towards
others become distinctly intolerant and menacing towards non-Muslims.
(Prayer towards Jerusalem later on being shifted to Mecca is another example
they quote to substantiate the allegation of changes Mohammed made!
Jerusalem was to be the original center of Islam in deference to Jewish
beliefs). These critics also mention that Islam should be judged primarily
by the behavior of Muslims towards those belonging to other religious
denominations.

The Supporters of Islamic fundamentalism and intolerance, the majority
Muslims agree with these commentators maintaining that the older Suras were
strategic Suras, just for Mohammed to gather time and strength and to
prevent Islam's Persecution and possible destruction by powerful Quresh.

(Incidentally, Muslims also similarly justify comatose Islamic ritualistic
behavior such as monitoring of the length of beard, inferior status of
women, Purdah etc. as being in consonance with not only the words of Koran
but also the spirit of Koran)

I do hope that Muslims accept that Islam is intolerant towards other people
and that Islam lacks the flexibility of making adjustments with life, as
human mind and the nature as mankind and nature continue their relentless
march across the frontiers of science, psychology, jurisprudence and
religion. Also Muslims should note that ISLAM lacks the dynamism to
accommodate change and development active laws of nature. Islam remains
stuck in medieval tribal Arab mindset.

Any Muslim who make a sincere attempt to find out the truth will reach the
following conclusions:

Majority of Muslim nations driven by ORTHODOXY have accepted/or practice the
intolerance and inability to accept and live with differences. (The
difficulty of Muslims to adjust as a minority people, the creation of
Pakistan, the continuing Jihad in Israel and Kashmir, Iran Revolution,
Fanatical Taliban Behavior are only a few examples).

The shots are called still by the Mullahs and Moulvis who see life through
the prism of Islamic heritage rather than a bold view to see life as it
really is. This tendency percolates down also to common masses.

All the available evidence and behavior of the Muslims, lend credence to the
view that Islam is not a peaceful faith.

Islamic conceptualization of the world is in terms of the Dar-ul-Harb (Land
of War) and Dar-ul-Islam (Land-of-Islam).

In Islamic terminology, any land where Muslims are in a minority is Land of
War and such a land should be converted into Land of Islam through whatever
means available. Jihad - or religious war is an accepted tool to make this
conversion.

There are no ethics and rules in a fight that a Jihadi fights. Allah is
supposed to reward each of the Jihadi, whatever be the Jihadi's means with
Heaven. On the contrary, Islamic Framework the only destiny for a
non-Muslim, even the most compassionate and good being is hell. The above
concepts explain why there is so much Muslim Terrorism in areas where
Muslims are in sizable numbers especially as minority.

Hence in Islam, the word Jihadi (Islamic Freedom fighter) turns to be a
euphemism for Muslim Terrorist.

So the challenges before Muslims are;

As the spirit of Islam indeed is intolerant and static, the Muslims should
do well to ditch Islam with its assorted baggage Koran, Hadis and the Fates.
Because as it need not be further documented, the effects of moribund
rituals and intolerance are nothing but degeneration of civilization and
conflict among humans. So Islam is something that has to be not just
despised and opposed but also fought.

If Muslims don't do this proactively, still the march of nature will deal a
death blow to Islam though Islam in this situation will die a painful and
slow death, as events will overtake them.

In places like India where Islamic Fanaticism caused major upheavals such as
Partition and holocaust of millions through Jihad across centuries, Muslim
should apologize for the mistakes committed by the evil people who violated
basic principles of tolerance, and peaceful coexistence and contributed to
much unnecessary suffering.

The above declarations become necessary on account of the pass misdeeds by
Muslim fanatics.

Muslim should also work towards a major overhauling of Islamic Law -
Shariah. Shariah remains a major source of power for Mullahs and has been
manipulated by power hungry leaders and mullas. Much of Shariah (measuring
how much inside a vagina, penis should penetrate, what should a man do if
his beard grows slowly.. such and related research is much worse than
Devil's activities) is useless stink and out of consonance with progress,
modern justice and law.

It should be effectively communicated that life does not remain frozen at
the time of Prophet. It continues its relentless march growing and enriching
and trying to make things better for each successive generation. If this
happens this will lead to not only a better life for the individual Muslims,
but also allow them to contribute their energies usefully wherever they live
for the welfare of everyone.

All these changes lead to the conclusion that the very fundamentals of Islam
- Koran, Hadis and Shariah are static and evil and hence need to go. This in
effect means Islam has to die out.

So the Muslims should also mention that never again will they allow the
Mullahs and Moulvis - Clergy to manipulate Koran and Hadis and Shariah to
suit Mullah's individual interests; and that they shall keep the politics
and religion separate.

(This was something that happened in Europe during the last millennium, the
separation of the church and the state leading to progress and intellectual
freedom; people stopped viewing life through the sole prism of Bible leading
to progress. This was possible in Europe because of the personality of Jesus
as a poor preacher. Mohammed made a cardinal mistake (therein lies the most
fundamental weakness of Islam) of mixing politics, corporal power and
religion. So to that extent this separation of Religion (Mosque) and State
(Politics and Power) is difficult for Muslims)

MOD PARENT UP INFORMATIVE!!! (-1, Offtopic)

Anonymous Coward | about 9 years ago | (#13161918)

wow, very informative post. thank you. it's not too often that I read something with such insight into islam

Anne says (-1, Offtopic)

Anonymous Coward | about 9 years ago | (#13161533)

eh eh eeeeehh

Re:Anne says (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 9 years ago | (#13161772)

Computer says no.

awesome (5, Funny)

poind3xt3r (890661) | about 9 years ago | (#13161539)

w00t. now ive got a reason to smash open my ibm t30

Re:awesome (5, Funny)

mpathetiq (726625) | about 9 years ago | (#13161568)

You need a reason?

Re:awesome (2, Funny)

darkjedi521 (744526) | about 9 years ago | (#13161590)

Hate to break it to you, but those things had the short lived Pentium 4-M mobile chips in them. They make nice space heaters.

Re:awesome (1)

poind3xt3r (890661) | about 9 years ago | (#13161708)

tomatoes, tomatos

Re:awesome (1)

toddestan (632714) | about 9 years ago | (#13161957)

Hate to break it to you, but those things had the short lived Pentium 4-M mobile chips in them. They make nice space heaters.

Actually, the P4-M is still around, unfortunently. Seen mostly in bottom of the line budget notebooks, where it is still barely cheaper than the Celeron-M, or in those big gamers notebooks that can heat a small house.

Re:awesome (1)

bhtooefr (649901) | about 9 years ago | (#13162064)

Hell, even the big gamers notebooks, they're going to the Pentium M... (*cough*XPS Gen 2*cough*)

Re:awesome (1)

level_headed_midwest (888889) | about 9 years ago | (#13162125)

Yup, I have a 2.2GHz P4-M in my laptop (2002-vintage Gateway 600). It was top 'o the line when it came out, but unfortunately, the Pentium Ms came out about a year later. 35W from the chips does make the lap toasty.

Low noise? (1)

daviq (888445) | about 9 years ago | (#13161550)

So then your not going to overclock it with really big fans?

Grammar Nazi strikes again. (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 9 years ago | (#13161664)

your not

Whose not? I don't own a not. In fact, I don't know anyone who owns a not.

Er ... did you mean "you're not"?

Re:Grammar Nazi strikes again. (1)

JustOK (667959) | about 9 years ago | (#13161729)

Don't you feel that all the picking of nits is for naught? Have a draught instead.

Re:Grammar Nazi strikes again. (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 9 years ago | (#13161902)

It goes under my "Entertainment" expense. Thanks for the draught.

In other news... (2, Funny)

nxtr (813179) | about 9 years ago | (#13161552)

Intel releases the Pentium M processor.

Next logical step for quiet PC's. (5, Interesting)

Sv-Manowar (772313) | about 9 years ago | (#13161555)

I've always wondered about the potential of today's mobile cpu's as quiet/silent & power efficient replacements for the current crop of desktop processors. It'll be interesting to see how Intel react to this, and if enough people make use of these adapters to noticably affect P-M sales. After reading articles about silent PC's, and the various steps/careful hardware choice required to create them, its only logical to move to components where the cooling & noise issues have already been considered in the component design.

Re:Next logical step for quiet PC's. (1, Interesting)

Anonymous Coward | about 9 years ago | (#13161579)

Why not just get a laptop?

If you need additional storage, TV tuners, etc. you can attach them via USB or firewire.

Re:Next logical step for quiet PC's. (4, Interesting)

Sv-Manowar (772313) | about 9 years ago | (#13161600)

I use a Powerbook, and I'd pretty much suggest the same thing myself.. that most people looking for a quiet pc would be far better served with a laptop of some kind instead (not to mention the numerous benefits of laptops combined with wifi etc). However moving well-thought out, power conserving chips from the laptop to the desktop can only be a step forward for desktops in general, and a crucial change of direction from the bigger-is-better P4 Extreme Edition style upgrades that have been delivered in the last few years.

Re:Next logical step for quiet PC's. (1)

fulldecent (598482) | about 9 years ago | (#13162012)

So what you're saying is throw away the iMac G5's and bring back the lamp?

Re:Next logical step for quiet PC's. (4, Interesting)

syukton (256348) | about 9 years ago | (#13161612)

Laptop screens are not friendly to gaming.
Laptop RAM capabilities are usually limited at 1GB or 2GB.
Laptop CPUs cannot generally be upgraded.

Those are probably the big reasons.

Re:Next logical step for quiet PC's. (1)

LurkerXXX (667952) | about 9 years ago | (#13161633)

Also most laptops don't come with upgradable video cards. Plus the video cards they do come with generally aren't nearly as good as similarly priced desktop video cards.

Re:Next logical step for quiet PC's. (1)

EnronHaliburton2004 (815366) | about 9 years ago | (#13161622)

Because a laptop is about $500 more expensive then the equivilant desktop?

Heck, I have a spare AGP video card, spare 80G hard drive, spare soundcard --- combine it with an AOpen Metropolitan XC Cube EY855-II [newegg.com] for $225, and it's looking like a pretty good deal.

Re:Next logical step for quiet PC's. (1)

Chandon Seldon (43083) | about 9 years ago | (#13162251)

$500 more is a good first guess, but I think you're shooting low. I'd suggest "More than twice as expensive" as a good starting point.

As a data point, I recently got a new laptop and built a new destop for my cousin. In both cases I took full advantage of the internet and got everything as cheaply and efficiently as possible.

For systems with the following specs:
~1.8 ghz gaming processor (Athlon 64 3000+ for the desktop, Pentium M 750 for the laptop); 1 gig of RAM; 80 gig hard drive; PCI Express GeForce 6600; Dual Layer DVD Writer; Large, high resolution display (19" crt @ 1600x1200 & 15.4" LCD @ 1680x1050)

I paid about $1800 for the laptop and about $800 for the desktop. That's not taking into account a secondary battery and external mouse that I needed for the laptop, bringing the actual laptop price up another $150.

Re:Next logical step for quiet PC's. (5, Insightful)

level_headed_midwest (888889) | about 9 years ago | (#13162154)

Several reasons: 1. Desktops are less expensive for the same amount of CPU horsepower. 2. RAM, hard drives, opticals are all faster and less expensive. 3. Desktops are easy to fix if something breaks- parts are standard (except for some Mac parts.) Laptops are all proprietary. A $30 CD drive will cost $200 to replace.

Re:Next logical step for quiet PC's. (1)

Kjella (173770) | about 9 years ago | (#13161753)

I'm sure Intel will be happy to sell them at the current extra high laptop-premium. The real question is if/when the same characteristics will be available in a common desktop. I don't think Intel is ready to cannibalize their laptop margins so they can sell it to the mass market, at least not until they have to. And while the PIVs aren't exactly dazzling, they are holding their ground against the A64.

Kjella

Re:Next logical step for quiet PC's. (1)

EpsCylonB (307640) | about 9 years ago | (#13161830)

As far as I am aware Intel is planning on implementing the Pentium M processor as a desktop processor anyway, this adapter simply means that you can be ahead of the curve.

'compelling' chip? (2, Funny)

cheezus_es_lard (557559) | about 9 years ago | (#13161559)

Can someone explain to me exactly what the chip compels one to do?

Re:'compelling' chip? (2, Insightful)

Kris_J (10111) | about 9 years ago | (#13161607)

Given that it has high performance for very low power consumption, it compels one to buy it. 130W less than a P4 @ 3.4GHz under load? Depending on your video card, that might make the difference between a power supply with fans and one without.

Re:'compelling' chip? (0)

wankledot (712148) | about 9 years ago | (#13161618)

Buy, buy, buy!

Re:'compelling' chip? (1)

rockola (240707) | about 9 years ago | (#13161624)

It's just like in The Exorcist, where they intone "The power of Christ compels you!" over and over, seemingly assuming that a demon would instantly get what it is... I'd think most demons would have a tendency to skip Sunday school.

PentiumM in desktop vs Mobile Barton in desktop (5, Insightful)

non-poster (529123) | about 9 years ago | (#13161591)

So, I've been running a AMD Mobile Athlon XP Barton (link [newegg.com] ) in my desktop for about a year, in a standard Socket A motherboard (NForce2 based). It is easily overclockable, and runs cooler than my previous main CPU, an Athlon XP 1800.

Is the PentiumM that much better, or is it just the CPU du jour?

Re:PentiumM in desktop vs Mobile Barton in desktop (1)

aetherspoon (72997) | about 9 years ago | (#13161749)

Disclaimer: I'm going off of stats, specs, and what others have said. I don't actually own one.

Picture the idea of a processor that uses less than 30W max (give you a hint, no other current processor comes close), and outperforms similarly speced processors without overclocking.
And at least according to Tom's Hardware, with overclocking it easily outperforms every processor on the market in most areas.

We're talking about a processor that produces so little heat that you can ditch all of those loud and/or expensive solutions on heat dispersion and run a slow fan and/or even none (although that takes effort).

Equivilent in the software world: Microsoft throwing out all of the code in windows and making Windows CE run 4 times as fast and still run the same programs somehow, but cost slighty more.

Re:PentiumM in desktop vs Mobile Barton in desktop (3, Informative)

aka1nas (607950) | about 9 years ago | (#13161997)

Actually, the lower voltage Mobile Barton models run on 35W, albeit they don't perform as well per clock as a P-M or A64. The Low voltage A64s, on the other hand, guzzle around 30W to 40W but you have to keep in mind that the memory controller is on the chip as well. On a Pentium M setup, the chipset will be using more power as the mem controller is still on the northbridge so overall system power consumption will be close enough that you wouldn't notice on a desktop system.

Re:PentiumM in desktop vs Mobile Barton in desktop (1)

Kris_J (10111) | about 9 years ago | (#13161755)

Indeed. Can anyone point to an article comparing performance and power consumption between AMD and Intel? Much as I like my current "Frame Rate Monster" PC, I'd like my next one to be near silent again.

Re:PentiumM in desktop vs Mobile Barton in desktop (1)

Phosphor3k (542747) | about 9 years ago | (#13161759)

Clock for clock (not price/performance mind you) all of the benchmarks I've seen have the newer Pentium Ms beating the ever-loving-crap out of P4 EEs AND Athlon 64s. I'm too lazy to look up any supporting links.

Review, Pentium M on desktop hardware (5, Interesting)

MooseMuffin (799896) | about 9 years ago | (#13161604)

Over at Tom's from a few weeks ago. http://www.tomshardware.com/cpu/20050525/index.htm l [tomshardware.com] Redundant yet?

Re:Review, Pentium M on desktop hardware (0, Redundant)

darkmeridian (119044) | about 9 years ago | (#13161795)

Over at Tom's from a few weeks ago. http://www.tomshardware.com/cpu/20050525/index.htm [tomshardware.com] l Redundant yet?


No. The story will not be redundant until next week, when the story is duped on Slashdot.

Re:Review, Pentium M on desktop hardware (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 9 years ago | (#13161989)

Over at Tom's from a few weeks ago.

Weeks? It's getting close to two months!

Re:Review, Pentium M on desktop hardware (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 9 years ago | (#13162225)

Interesting? WTF? News gets covered multiple times in multiple locations (no dupe jokes please). What do you think slashdot is, a news source?!

But it's not 64 bit! (1, Troll)

Soong (7225) | about 9 years ago | (#13161605)

I'm not feeling compelled.

Why take a step back from a G5?

Re:But it's not 64 bit! (2, Insightful)

snuf23 (182335) | about 9 years ago | (#13161627)

I dunno. I guess you'd have to ask Apple that question!

Seriously, expect to see lots of improvements in the Pentium M. I'm sure dual core and the Intel 64bit extensions will be added in to the line. It's likely the desktop versions won't be called Pentium Ms.

Re:But it's not 64 bit! (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 9 years ago | (#13161693)

It's likely the desktop versions won't be called Pentium Ms.
Maybe they will call them M2s. Then we will have Pentium M&M2s.

Re:But it's not 64 bit! (1)

ocelotbob (173602) | about 9 years ago | (#13161690)

While it's not 64-bit, I'm fairly certain that apple will put a chipset in their systems that use the 36 bit physical address extensions that have been in every 686+ processor that allows up to 32 gigabytes of RAM, which is more than what apple boxes are currently capable of supporting. At the moment, there are few apps that use 64 bit integers anyways, as they want to keep compatibility with G4-based systems.

Re:But it's not 64 bit! (1)

cnettel (836611) | about 9 years ago | (#13161705)

The roadmaps for next year show both dual-core and (I think) EM64T support in the laptop line.

Re:But it's not 64 bit! (1)

entrylevel (559061) | about 9 years ago | (#13161786)

What, specifically, are you using more than 4 GB of RAM for?

Also, Mac OS X is highly portable. Intel makes 64 bit x86 CPUs. Who is saying there won't be 64 bit Mactel machines?

Re:But it's not 64 bit! (2, Insightful)

linguae (763922) | about 9 years ago | (#13161842)

Because Apple sells more than just Power Mac G5s. The Pentium M would be perfect for Apple's consumer lines (Mac Mini, eMac, iMac, iBook) and Apple's PowerBook line, because of its low energy consumption and good performance (compared to the G4 that the Pentium M will replace). iBook and PowerBook users won't have to worry about their laptops frying their laps, for one. Plus, perhaps we might see some of that Centrino stuff in Apple's notebook lines, since they will probably use the Pentium M.

As for the Power Macs, Intel has a 64-bit Pentium 4 (i.e., one that understand AMD's 64-bit extensions to the x86 instruction set) and the 64-bit Xeon. The Xeon is a server-class chip, so it might be seen on the XServes that Apple sells and is comparable to AMD's Opteron.

Intel actually sells a wide variety of chips for various different types of computers. I'm still a little disappointed that Apple is dropping the PowerPC (I still hate the x86 ISA and architecture with a passion), but Intel seems to have a pretty nice and well-rounded product line that is more suitable for a company like Apple. It's a shame that IBM have failed to deliver on their promises with 3GHz G5s and a cool laptop version of the G5; I would kill for a 64-bit non-x86 laptop with Mac OS X right now. But oh well.

Re:But it's not 64 bit! (1, Funny)

Anonymous Coward | about 9 years ago | (#13162156)

I would kill for a 64-bit non-x86 laptop with Mac OS X right now.
You will get a call. Don't say anything, you will be told where to pickup a briefcase. In it will be a gun, the target's photo, name, location and time of the hit. After you have completed the job, dispose of the gun and case. Another call will tell you where to get the laptop you desire.

Hello! (-1, Troll)

Anonymous Coward | about 9 years ago | (#13161616)

Hello and welcome to three months ago!

So What... (1, Insightful)

creimer (824291) | about 9 years ago | (#13161617)

I never found the Intel chips to be compelling or exciting or inexpensive. I don't understand why some people go out of their way for an Intel chip when an AMD chip will do the job. Seems like you pay a premium for an Intel chip to be either compelling or exciting but definitely not inexpensive.

Re:So What... (4, Insightful)

jericho4.0 (565125) | about 9 years ago | (#13161912)

From Tom's Hardware;

"Additionally, we were able to raise the FSB from 133 to 160 MHz without any trouble at all. The result was that our 2.13GHz Pentium M 770 ended up running at 2.56 GHz! At this clock speed, our two year old platform was able to beat the processor heavyweights Athlon 64 FX and Intel Pentium 4 Extreme Edition in all 3D games! "

At 27 watts max compared to 155. How much was that Athlon 64 FX again?

Re:So What... (1)

Cryptnotic (154382) | about 9 years ago | (#13162041)

How much was that Athlon 64 FX again?

I don't know, but according to PriceGrabber.com, the Pentium M 770 is $625.

I just don't understand (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 9 years ago | (#13161915)

How come my cpu trolls are always modertad as flamebait, or troll, and yet this guy gets +4, Insightful?


What am I doing wrong? Perhaps I am too subtle for you guys. Any advice appreciated. In the meantime, back to kuro5hin for me.


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Re:I just don't understand (1)

creimer (824291) | about 9 years ago | (#13162082)

Maybe all the AMD-loving mods got the points today? AMD is suing Intel for being a monopolist. Maybe /. is giving the AMD-loving posters and mods more leeway to avoid being dragged into the lawsuit. :P

Re:So What... (1)

blackdragon7777 (720994) | about 9 years ago | (#13161942)

The amount of money you'll save on your electricity bill during the life of that computer is more than enough to justify getting the pentium M over any AMD chip.

Re:So What... (1)

Jeff DeMaagd (2015) | about 9 years ago | (#13162093)

Never?

Maybe now, but not in all points of the past. Back in the mid-K7 era, there were times where there weren't any excellent chipsets for AMD. The leading choice was VIA, which really didn't sound like a good idea given their history of compatibility problems and non-compliance with PCI bus mastering. AMD made solid chipsets but they really didn't keep up with memory technologies. At least now, nVidia chipsets are available for AMD.

Re:So What... (1)

creimer (824291) | about 9 years ago | (#13162175)

My last motherboard Intel CPU was a Pentium MMX 233, and my current Dell laptop has an Intel Celeron. I been using AMD CPUs ever since then. VIA chipsets for the K6-3 were a pain, especially with video drivers and USB compatibility. SiS chipset for the Athlon XP were decent for low-end motherboards, but nVidia chipsets rock for everything else! I'm more price-sensitive than I'm performance-sensitive, which is why I lean towards AMD.

Off Topic Newsflash (-1, Offtopic)

pHatidic (163975) | about 9 years ago | (#13161620)

I am interupting this regularly scheduled Slashdot thread to announce that the Family Guy movie, Stewie Griffin: The Untold Story, has officially been leaked [mininova.org] onto BitTorrent. This is not a test. I repeat, this is not a test.

mod parent more interesting than this story (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 9 years ago | (#13161770)

cheers mate :)

Ummmmmm (-1, Flamebait)

Anonymous Coward | about 9 years ago | (#13161628)

If you want less heat, less performance, in an old socket, how about using an old chip for a tenth of the price ?

How about a more scalable solution? (4, Interesting)

NRAdude (166969) | about 9 years ago | (#13161637)

Does anyone know about those neat 386-based computer systems that install into your motherboard's unused DIMM sockets? Has anyone seen the Sun or Apple alternative x86 solution whereas a complete computer is assembled into a PCI adaptor form-factor and installed into a PCI slot to give access to a x86 nativity?

We need more of these solutions. Just for the utility of it, I want a computer for general purpose use; consider a Transmeta solution, and then have a Pentium M co-processor that I can enable or disable when I need it to boost an application, or even better a Hitachi SuperH 128bit solution for quicker and greater math precision. I'm waiting for the days to return when computers were modular, separate FPUs from the die core for example, like back in the late 80's when the manufacturer gave you the manual that has all the BIOS function calls and circuit schematic in such an open manner.

All I see today is a bunch of unnecessary IC bloat, taking advantage of increasing transistor efficieny to use more transistors and obtusely dissipate more heat with a design that is bigger than the previous. Is progress to obsolete computers or give what is needed? I would settle for a fab-shrunk 8-way computer based on the earlier technology because it worked. Where are all those great designs going to, or is it just a fighting statistic? How about a 386 PDA? Anyone seen one yet?

Re:How about a more scalable solution? (1)

hyc (241590) | about 9 years ago | (#13161965)

I kinda agree with you, except that there are definitely gains in efficiency by cramming all the components as close together as possible on a single chip.

But yeah, personally I'd like to have a cluster of 68030s built on a modern fab process. Most of what you need a PDA to do could easily be handled by one of those processors, and you could probably fit a dozen of them in the same silicon as a Pentium 4 core...

Re:How about a more scalable solution? (1)

bhtooefr (649901) | about 9 years ago | (#13162127)

A 386-based PDA? The Nokia Communicator 9000 was one, IIRC (VERY fuzzy on that stuff, b/c those models were non-US, and I've never set foot outside the US).

Re:How about a more scalable solution? (5, Informative)

Urusai (865560) | about 9 years ago | (#13162174)

The Amiga had such a board way back when, a generic CPU emulator that used FPGAs to emulate multiple processors. It could supposedly emulate a Mac faster than a real Mac (probably using the Amiga's CPU, though). They were still trying to get 486 emulation debugged last I heard, many moons ago.

Great (5, Funny)

Anonymous Coward | about 9 years ago | (#13161648)

The power of a laptop and the size of a desktop.

how about (1)

Student Activist (894684) | about 9 years ago | (#13162181)

The power EFFICIENCY of a laptop and the size of a desktop.

Re:how about (1)

bhirsch (785803) | about 9 years ago | (#13162195)

Why not just use a late model P3 then?

Re:how about (1)

eluusive (642298) | about 9 years ago | (#13162235)

That's basically what the Pentium M is....

Re:how about (1)

bhirsch (785803) | about 9 years ago | (#13162270)

Hence the question.

More info on tomshardware.com (4, Informative)

bluelarva (185170) | about 9 years ago | (#13161652)

Toms's Hardware has a great article [tomshardware.com] on Pentium M's performance. It's definitely worth a read.

Allah... (-1, Offtopic)

Anonymous Coward | about 9 years ago | (#13161662)

...akbar!

*pushes detonator*

Somthing wrong? (-1, Offtopic)

Anonymous Coward | about 9 years ago | (#13161875)

# detonate straponroadflare bomb
A quick puff of smoke errupts. The USians are looking at you.

# look at ceiling
It is pitch black. You are likely to be eaten by a grue.

# find faulty wire
You stumble around trying to find the problem with your straponroadflare bomb, but your hands grasp nothing except your lunch (left hand) and asswipe turban (right hand). You eventually touch something solid, and lift it up. As you bring it to your eyes, you squint to find that it is a hairy sausage of domination.

# quit
Your score is 25 out of a possible 375. This gives you the rank of hoser.
Are you sure you want to give up [y/N]? : N!

# use cigarette lighter on self
The Americans, seeing that you are trying to set fire to your body, close in on you and make you their bitch by continuingly slapping you wit the name of God written on their left hand.

# chew USian cock
You take it slow, but at the last minute you bite-down really hard, thus preventing one of the hillbillies from ever siring any future children with their first and second cousins. Jeb is mighty angry, pisses on you, dumps fat on your body. You goto hell, where all kinds of pestilence make house in your anus and worms feast on your eyes

# heil Allah
No matter what you say, your echo returns to you. There is none to hear you. You read a half-smeared message in teh sand... @ll y0ur b45s3 4re be1on0 70 WaltDisney. A mouseketeer delivers the final blow. You are dead.

HERE LIES:
Ack 'Foo' Bar, killed my an 80-year-old Mouseketeer pederast sentanced bannished to Hell by Gabriel(la?).

Fantastic! Power consumption saves the day (2, Interesting)

lightyear4 (852813) | about 9 years ago | (#13161686)

This is great..glad that Asus is keeping ahead of the game as always. I think I'll grab this simply for the great reduction in power consumption.

On a similar note, who remembers the OverDrive for your old 486?

Re:Fantastic! Power consumption saves the day (1)

vanka (875029) | about 9 years ago | (#13162087)

Yeah I remember those. I wanted to get one of those for a 486 66MHz (I believe it upgraded a 486 to a Pentium) but decided to get a Pentium 166MHz instead. Ah the good ol' days, when was the last time anyone got a double speed increase with a processor upgrade? On another note, am I the only crazy one or is there someone else who liked Windows 3.1 better than Windows 95?

Confused by story blurb... (2, Interesting)

KenBot_314 (744719) | about 9 years ago | (#13161744)

"although desktop versions of it won't be available until next year"
"the CT-479 adapter is much cheaper than existing Pentium M desktop platforms"
WTF?
Which is it?

Re:Confused by story blurb... (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 9 years ago | (#13161843)

desktop version = standard socket 478
existing Pentium M desktop platforms = those expensive motherboards and sff barebones that support pentium m

Re:Confused by story blurb... (3, Informative)

Kris_J (10111) | about 9 years ago | (#13162085)

Intel will be releasing Pentium M technology in a CPU package that suits typical desktop motherboards in the future. Meanwhile, several manufaturers have produced desktop computers using laptop chipsets so they can offer a cool Pentium M CPU solution.

Does that explain the apparent contradiction?

DFI 855GME-MGF i855 (1)

mparaz (31980) | about 9 years ago | (#13162211)

One of them is the DFI 855GME-MGF [pimp-my-rig.com] desktop MicroATX board.

Will this be a mobile chip as well? (1)

agentfive (545436) | about 9 years ago | (#13161750)

Or is it mobile? I don't get it.

Underclocking (1)

iamplupp (728943) | about 9 years ago | (#13161831)

Wouldnt it be cheaper to buy an Athlon64 and then underclock it and lower the voltage? I got a barton 2500+ running at 1.6ghz (8x200) @ 1.2V which by my calculations would be something like 30W

Re:Underclocking (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 9 years ago | (#13161880)

Providing the bios supports cool'n'quiet (seems to be necessary so that the kernel can discover the frequencies and voltages), yes - but you don't need to underclock it, just use the powersave cpufreq governor (kernel 2.6.9 or later).

My winchester 3200 (2.0 GHz) idles at 57 Watts for the whole system (1 GB DDR200, 80 GB drive, radeon 9200se), including power-supply losses. All winchester or newer athlon64s seems to run at 1 GHz for their lowest speed.

Pentium M looks nice for its power consumption, but the price is totally out of proportions.

Heat? (1)

Orion83 (448477) | about 9 years ago | (#13161851)

Just read the article, and I'm disappointed that they didn't mention the heat of the chip during overlock... which would mean quieter cooling.. or did I miss something? He references little green men as how no more watts are consumed by the overclock. Oh well. At Least UT was really fast ;)

Re:Heat? (1)

VoidWraith (797276) | about 9 years ago | (#13162142)

Watts consumed == Watts output in heat

WTF?!? more erroneous info? (2, Informative)

Grandmaster Mort (731817) | about 9 years ago | (#13161945)

"...and although desktop versions of it won't be available until next year..." Uh, both AOpen and DFI have had Socket 479 (Pentium-M) motherboards for the desktop available (iirc, both are micro ATX form factor) for several months. Granted, those motherboards are overpriced (at least they were back in January when I built a Dothan box for my mother (mobo was about $250 back then), but that clearly shows the above quote to be bullshit.

Re:WTF?!? more erroneous info? (2, Informative)

Kris_J (10111) | about 9 years ago | (#13162107)

I believe the "it" in your quote is a Pentium M in a standard desktop socket CPU package. A DFI board is in fact used in the review.

Informed consumers ftw! (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 9 years ago | (#13161960)

Now wait just a moment... I thought we were all supposed to hate [slashdot.org] Intel [slashdot.org] ? Short memories?

Re:Informed consumers ftw! (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 9 years ago | (#13161999)

hummm well I know sometimes the news take a while to get around, but the benchmarks for this have been out for AGES! It doesn't even come close to news anymore...

AOpen products (3, Informative)

shikra (751390) | about 9 years ago | (#13161985)

If anyone cares, there is already a native Pentium-M [aopen.com] board from AOpen based on the Intel i915G chipset. No need for convertor crap. The upcoming small form-factor Pandora XPC [engadget.com] from AOpen is Pentium-M based as well.

Old News (0, Redundant)

vanka (875029) | about 9 years ago | (#13162021)

How is this news? Tom's Hardware had an article on this 2 months ago. In their benchmarks, the Pentium M out-performed the top of the line Athon64s and Pentium 4s in games. Read the article. [tomshardware.com]

Somewhat old news (1)

poity (465672) | about 9 years ago | (#13162094)

GamePC.com did a review [gamepc.com] of it back in march

Benchmarks show it having exceptional gaming and rendering performance. The overclocked Pentium M even beats out the Pentium 4EE and AthlonFX-55, with the stock version still holding its own very well

It's somewhat lackluster in multimedia content creation, though, as it does not yet support SSE3

Aopen boards much more fun (1, Informative)

Anonymous Coward | about 9 years ago | (#13162108)

There are already Aopen Desktop P-M boards out for quite a while.

I own the i855whatever version and run it with a P-M 1.7@1993Mhz(117FSB)

In video encoding it sucks.
But for day to day development work, like compiling, it beats the 3.6Ghz Xeon "big boy" by a small margin.

Expensive? Sure
Heat+Noise?
CPU needs only small and silent cooler
GPU onboard - screw 3D performance for development work
2x GBit NIC onboard the Aopen board

With a good small uATX case+PSU the ultimate development machine for a no noise system, very good for concentration+productivity

Would I buy one again? YES

Better performance? (1)

outz (448278) | about 9 years ago | (#13162274)

My laptop uses duel channel ddr2 with the new p4...
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