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Windows Vista & IE7 Beta 1 Released

Zonk posted more than 9 years ago | from the and-so-it-begins dept.

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gdsotirov writes "Today on the IE blog the availability of two new beta tests - Windows Vista Beta 1 and Internet Explorer 7 Beta 1 - was announced. These tests are mainly targeted to developers and IT professionals. Thus the betas are only available to MSDN subscribers. Tom's Hardware has details as well." From the article: "While the code also includes an early look at the new user-interface design, the majority of end-user features in Windows Vista will not be included until Beta 2. In addition to these fundamentals, Windows Vista Beta 1 also includes the Internet Explorer 7 Beta 1 built into the platform. The technical Beta of Internet Explorer 7 for Windows XP SP2 also is available today." Any early thoughts, MSDN subscribers?

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Early Thoughts (5, Funny)

hendridm (302246) | more than 9 years ago | (#13184550)

Any early thoughts, MSDN subscribers?

Nothing to see here, please move along.

Re:Early Thoughts (1)

Cyberax (705495) | more than 9 years ago | (#13184605)

Oh yes. MSDN subscriber download seems to be ./ed...

Beta (-1, Troll)

mboverload (657893) | more than 9 years ago | (#13184610)

Yay, a beta version of XP.

Super.

Re:Early Thoughts (-1)

Anonymous Coward | more than 9 years ago | (#13184625)

Holy shit!

I forgot how fast IE is compared to that piece of crap- and bloatware called Firefox.

IE, here we come.

Re:Early Thoughts (3, Informative)

kesuki (321456) | more than 9 years ago | (#13184756)

Firefox uses more resources than IE, but if you want 'fast' you should be going to Opera, because they are the fastest, most feature rich browser.

IE uses less RAM than firefox because it's already running when windows loads, and also they use a few patented coding methods to further reduce memory footprint.

Also, beta 7.0 is 'faster' than normal IE because it has so many features turned off (haven't been coded into it yet)
 

Re:Early Thoughts (1)

Flibz (716178) | more than 9 years ago | (#13184820)

But aren't different browsers going to render at different speeds/RAM footprints dependent on the rendering mode it's chosen for the doctype (i.e. compliant, quirky/loose, etc).

We need statistics dagnammit!

The Pirate Bay (0, Informative)

Anonymous Coward | more than 9 years ago | (#13184755)

If you don't want to waste your money on a M$DN subscription, you can grap a copy from thepiratebay.org, it is on the top 100 list, currently number 8.

It is ideal for people like me that don't have the money to afford thousands of dollars on software from price gouging companys, but want to stay up-to-date on the latest software and know whats out there, so I can deal with it in the future if I have to.

Use it to view this page, and discover... (-1, Troll)

haakondahl (893488) | more than 9 years ago | (#13184551)

...CrashDot!

THis again (5, Funny)

Marc Desrochers (606563) | more than 9 years ago | (#13184556)

Windows Vista Beta 1 also includes the Internet Explorer 7 Beta 1 built into the platform


So they're trying this again are they?

From what I understood (1)

Flibz (716178) | more than 9 years ago | (#13184603)

It's also available seperately (IE7) so I'd imagine it's just included but not integral so neatly avoiding any new anti-trust issues...

Re:THis again (4, Insightful)

jiushao (898575) | more than 9 years ago | (#13184838)

How often do we have to go through this? IE is integral to the platform in the same way Konqueror/KHTML is to KDE. It is part of the standard libraries/components and applications can expect it to be available to view richly formatted data. It is not a deep kernel integration or any of those wacky Slashdot conspiracy theories, it is just an example of good old software reuse.

I don't think anyone can actually suggest that Microsoft throw it out, having a good rendering engine of type in the platform SDK is pretty much a requirement these days. The OSS desktops all leveraging HTML engines is just one example, check out Apple who are relly going at it building applications based on WebCore. It just so happens that Microsoft got into the game early (one could in fact use the word "innovation" here, but I guess that would be a bit too flamebaity on Slashdot).

why? (-1, Troll)

Anonymous Coward | more than 9 years ago | (#13184557)

why do you obsess over your enemy? you are like a teenage boy who cannot get over the girl who dumped him.

Re:why? (-1)

Anonymous Coward | more than 9 years ago | (#13184619)

She's a bitch and we dumped her.

Re:why? (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 9 years ago | (#13184652)

why do you obsess over your enemy?

Because I love Ayanami Rei.

As an MSDN Subscriber... (5, Funny)

quokkapox (847798) | more than 9 years ago | (#13184563)

I, for one, can tell you that this new beta is fantastic! I have only been using for about 10 or 15 minutes, but already I am quite impre^D

HELO
MAIL FROM: aspammer@zombiesareus.biz
RCPT TO: billg@microsoft.com
DATA

First Post? (2, Informative)

sirdude (578412) | more than 9 years ago | (#13184567)

I'm sure not..

Anyways, both these betas are already available everywhere.

The Vista Beta comes with a WPA bypasser.

IE7 beta requires online activation.

Anyone see any bit torrents yet? (4, Funny)

Mostly a lurker (634878) | more than 9 years ago | (#13184568)

Just curious. I would not do anything illegal like making use of one.

Re:Anyone see any bit torrents yet? (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 9 years ago | (#13184588)

A torrent is available (2, Informative)

alonlaudon (260289) | more than 9 years ago | (#13184596)

There's a torrent here: http://www.mininova.org/tor/80599 [mininova.org]

Use the magnet links in Azureus (Ctrl+L) to save mininova bandwidth.

wrong link, parent. Here: (2, Informative)

Anonymous Coward | more than 9 years ago | (#13184672)

Here [mininova.org] .

Early Thoughts? (1)

DavidChristopher (633902) | more than 9 years ago | (#13184570)

While I'm just d/l the dvd iso right now... The MSDN description is:
Description Windows Vista (formerly code-named Windows "Longhorn") is a substantial advance in Windows, with significant innovations in the developer platform. Windows Vista makes it easier than ever before to build applications that are more secure, reliable, and manageable. Windows Vista also enables developers and designers to create user-experience breakthroughs that improve usability and enable greater relevance to the work users do. Finally, Windows Vista makes it easy to connect to information, systems, people, and devices though a number of innovative integration technologies.
I suppose if it really is a 'substantial' advance will remain to be seen until it goes gold, seeing as how a lot of the 'substantial' new technologies were 'dropped' from it's feature list.

Majority of end-user features not included... (1)

imstanny (722685) | more than 9 years ago | (#13184571)

lemme guess... tabbed browsing not available.

Re:Majority of end-user features not included... (1)

irokie (697424) | more than 9 years ago | (#13184591)

from TFA "Improved design to make everyday tasks easier and faster, with better navigation through tabbed browsing; inline search right from the toolbar; shrink-to-fit Web page printing; and a streamlined, redesigned user interface (currently in its early stages in Beta 1)."

Re:Majority of end-user features not included... (1)

bhtooefr (649901) | more than 9 years ago | (#13184697)

Navigation through tabbed browsing - Opera or CrazyBrowser (IE mod)
Inline search right from the toolbar - Opera
Shrink-to-fit Web page printing - Similar tech to Opera's Small Screen Rendering and Medium Screen Rendering

Re:Majority of end-user features not included... (5, Informative)

Flibz (716178) | more than 9 years ago | (#13184647)

Tabbed browsing is in IE7 standalone, and works nicely (is doing as we speak).

Also includes some kind of "phishing site checker", RSS support (picks them out from page and can display from a single button), pop-up blocking, easy history deletion.

Seems pretty stable and not too memory hungry... so far

Re:Majority of end-user features not included... (1)

Kickasso (210195) | more than 9 years ago | (#13184823)

What about CSS compliance?

MSDN subscribers? (5, Funny)

AtlanticGiraffe (749719) | more than 9 years ago | (#13184573)

"Any early thoughts, MSDN subscribers?"

Do those actually read Slashdot?

Re:MSDN subscribers? (-1, Flamebait)

Shinaku (757671) | more than 9 years ago | (#13184587)

Can those actully read?

Re:MSDN subscribers? (0, Funny)

Anonymous Coward | more than 9 years ago | (#13184638)

Some of those actully can. Perhaps those could lurn you.

Re:MSDN subscribers? (0, Funny)

Anonymous Coward | more than 9 years ago | (#13184686)

I believe they all read Fark.

Re:MSDN subscribers? (0, Troll)

TapeCutter (624760) | more than 9 years ago | (#13184724)

"Any early thoughts, MSDN subscribers?"
Do those actually read Slashdot?


Yes. Also, they know how to construct a sentence.

For the first time I agree with John C Dvorak. (5, Interesting)

network23 (802733) | more than 9 years ago | (#13184575)


For the first time I agree with John C Dvorak.

pcmag [pcmag.com]

"Vista? As in "Hasta la Vista, baby?" That name might be appropriate as a symbolic goodbye since it might be the end of the line for Microsoft's dominance in the OS business."

"The new OS is getting zero buzz. Zero. now the name Vista, along with the new Microsoft Vista logo, has made it worse. Could anything be less exciting?"

"THE FUTURE OF DESKTOP COMPUTING: Apple. Vista will open the door to what I believe will be a radical change in the computing landscape. The trends are clear. Once the new Mac OS appears next year it will gravitate toward the existing x86 community much more rapidly than anticipated..."

"Right now, and as much as x86 users do not want to admit it, the Mac OS is already better than Windows in its modern look and feel as well as its functionality. I see too many smart people with Mac laptops nowadays."

"...it is always possible that Apple doesn't understand the power play position it's in and might actually believe that it's better off somehow keeping its OS in a small niche rather than the big market. If the world changed tomorrow to 85 percent Mac "OS x86" its laptop sales alone would triple overnight. Apple didn't put together what many consider the finest in-house industrial design teams in the world to fool around with piddly sales and more redesigns of the iPod."

"That said, how much more of Steve Jobs can we handle? Do we really want to hear him say "I told you so?" If it gets some excitement back into desktop computing, yes, we do. I think we can take it."

Uhhh... (5, Funny)

Crash Culligan (227354) | more than 9 years ago | (#13184590)

A Slashdotter agreeing with John C. Dvorak, who is saying nice things about Apple?

Quick, can someone post a current weather report for Hell, please?

Re:Uhhh... (5, Funny)

Ford Prefect (8777) | more than 9 years ago | (#13184661)

Quick, can someone post a current weather report for Hell, please?

Here you go [bbc.co.uk] - apparently it's cold and rainy there today, but improving by next week.

...

Oh, hang on, you said Hell? Surely the two are synonymous? ;-)

Re:Uhhh... (2, Funny)

Chrispy1000000 the 2 (624021) | more than 9 years ago | (#13184803)

Hell.

Temperatures in the low to high 50's, with sporadic showers of rock and brimstone this afternoon. Sulpher levels at 30 percent. High levels of torturing and suffering expected as usuall, with particular intrest in Dvorak supporters.

Be wary of crossing the Styx today, as there appears to be a massive backlog following an accident between two boats.

Oh, and FYI, this is Humor, for those of who can't understand. TYAHAND

Re:For the first time I agree with John C Dvorak. (1)

slimak (593319) | more than 9 years ago | (#13184617)

I love this part:

I see too many smart people with Mac laptops nowadays.

time to get a Mac I guess.

Re:For the first time I agree with John C Dvorak. (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 9 years ago | (#13184633)

So you're saying that you agree to people who pander to your own views?

Congratulations. You just figured out how every editorial columnist gains exposure.

Re:For the first time I agree with John C Dvorak. (1)

bedroll (806612) | more than 9 years ago | (#13184818)

Obviously you're not familiar with Dvorak...

He normally gains exposure by completely disagreeing with a community or movement. Then that movement goes out and blogs, posts /. articles, and is generally in a buzz about how dumb the guy is. Meanwhile, you know that he's getting more traffic than in his less controversial articles, you can tell that by the comment boards. You can assume that he's showing this to the editors who are showing it to the advertisers saying: "This guy knows how to get exposure."

It's kinda like the Howard Stern ad (I used to like KRock): The average Stern listener listens for one and a half hours a day. The average Stern hater listens for two and a half hours a day.

Re:For the first time I agree with John C Dvorak. (1)

WhiteZero (902841) | more than 9 years ago | (#13184634)

This guy has obviously never worked in a corporate enviroment.

Re:For the first time I agree with John C Dvorak. (2, Interesting)

Marc Desrochers (606563) | more than 9 years ago | (#13184666)

I've been wondering...

I do believe Apple intends to make their OS X86 bootable only on Apple x86 machines. However, given the vast quantity of PC users already out there, many of whom have had it with Microsoft, would it be a wise decision for Apple to simply allow any and all PC users to use their new OS? Of Course it would cut into their hardware sales, but how well have those been doing lately anyway? (exluding the iPod of course)

Re:For the first time I agree with John C Dvorak. (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 9 years ago | (#13184708)

Keeping Mac OS exclusively on Apple hardware is precisely what will prevent it from being the desktop of the future, as Dvorak predicts.

I have 5 x86 PCs at home (not even counting my laptop). I am NOT buying 5 new Macs. Period. If I am EVER to use Mac OS, it will have to run on those machines.

Re:For the first time I agree with John C Dvorak. (1)

Evil Adrian (253301) | more than 9 years ago | (#13184777)

So... that would make six x86 PCs? :-)

Re:For the first time I agree with John C Dvorak. (1)

MrKahuna (789335) | more than 9 years ago | (#13184805)

So... you're never buying another computer for the rest of your life? The vast majority of people in the Windows world only change/upgrade OSes when they get a new computer. It's this market Apple is after, not people who want to run OSX on their existing x86 computers.

Re:For the first time I agree with John C Dvorak. (1, Offtopic)

vinohradska (713189) | more than 9 years ago | (#13184727)

It seems to be getting zero buzz because Microsoft seemingly hasn't spent any money hyping it. So the question to ask, is why not?

My guess is that they are afraid it is riddled with bugs. Beta releases usually are. They want to quietly get it beta tested and fix all the bugs and the holes without too many people saying, in public, that it sucks. If the first impression is a bad one, it is very hard to recover from that. They are finally learning that early hype can backfire.

What a Sysiphian task it must be to produce a new OS that must be backwards compatible with all those old apps running on old versions of Windows. It's hard to imagine having any success at all after handicapping yourself so much.

It almost makes me feel sorry for them... almost.

Re:For the first time I agree with John C Dvorak. (1)

wanonyme (880035) | more than 9 years ago | (#13184749)

Zero Buzz? I am sure the fact that it is on bittorrent sites already will help with the Buzz. Got to hand it to their PR department. "Microsoft, we give new meaning to viral marketing".

Re:For the first time I agree with John C Dvorak. (1)

Evil Adrian (253301) | more than 9 years ago | (#13184763)

Do people really take John Dvorak seriously? All he knows how to do is whine...

Re:For the first time I agree with John C Dvorak. (2, Insightful)

geeber (520231) | more than 9 years ago | (#13184768)

I don't buy this for a second. Microsoft OS dominance does not come by people getting all excited about upgrading their OS. The vase majority of home users get Windows automatically when they buy their new Dell PC. And corporate users get Windows because that is what IT has standardized on for the corporate desktop.

None of this is going to change because some columinist over-enamored of his own opinion is less than enthusiastic about Vista.

Re:For the first time I agree with John C Dvorak. (1)

Evil Adrian (253301) | more than 9 years ago | (#13184837)

The fact that most hardware and software is developed for Windows certainly doesn't hurt their market share either.

Re:For the first time I agree with John C Dvorak. (0)

jasonmicron (807603) | more than 9 years ago | (#13184792)

"THE FUTURE OF DESKTOP COMPUTING: Apple.

I've been hearing that since the Macintosh first came out.

Seriously... (5, Insightful)

alvinrod (889928) | more than 9 years ago | (#13184577)

FTA:

The privacy statement for Internet Explorer 7.0 beta lists a "phishing filter," which is said to be capable of warning users about the possibility that the Web site currently being visited is impersonating a trusted Web site. This feature is turned off by default

Why bother creating a feature like this and having it turned off by default. The people most likely to be taken in by a phishing scam seem to me to be the same people who won't know enough about a computer to turn this feature on to protect themselves. The more tech and internet savvy people could turn this off if it annoys them.

but in order for it to be used properly, the Web site's address and other information about the user's computer, are sent to Microsoft for automatic evaluation.

Then again it does scare me a little that MS would be taking a peek at my browsing habits. Hopefully it just asks a big database full of bad websites whether or not this one is good. I'd like to think that MS wouldn't be keeping tabs on my online activity. Makes me wonder if this is why that bought Gator... I mean Claria.

Re:Seriously... (1)

IAmTheDave (746256) | more than 9 years ago | (#13184602)

but in order for it to be used properly, the Web site's address and other information about the user's computer, are sent to Microsoft for automatic evaluation.

Because... they couldn't build the code to check these URLs into the browser itself? Seems to me a blacklist of "phishing" URLs is a lot less useful than some quick, standard pattern matching.

Re:Seriously... (1)

danheskett (178529) | more than 9 years ago | (#13184650)

Quick standard pattern matching would be worked around in a matter hours or maybe days, and would be rendered useless. Whatever patterns MS determined were good indicators of phishing would be circumvented.

Re:Seriously... (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 9 years ago | (#13184655)

Why bother creating a feature like this and having it turned off by default. The people most likely to be taken in by a phishing scam seem to me to be the same people who won't know enough about a computer to turn this feature on to protect themselves. The more tech and internet savvy people could turn this off if it annoys them.

You just answered your own question. Because while the people who DO want it on and know how to use it will be able to turn it on this way... you also have to realize that Average Joe wouldn't know what to do with it and wouldn't be able to turn it OFF if he or she ran into problems with it filtering something it shouldn't, and also wouldn't know what they were doing with it or how to use it in the first place, making it irrelevant. So you add it in as an feature that can be enabled, but don't open a whole new can of worms by introducing something to people you know aren't capable of handling it.

Stop looking at things from your narrow perspective and look at the much bigger picture of who uses these products.

Makes me wonder if this is why that bought Gator... I mean Claria.

They didn't, where've you been?

Re:Seriously... (1)

MirrororriM (801308) | more than 9 years ago | (#13184716)

I'd like to think that MS wouldn't be keeping tabs on my online activity. Makes me wonder if this is why that bought Gator... I mean Claria.

Oh, don't worry, MS isn't keeping tabs on your online activity. The new Gat...Claria software that is OEM installed on your brand new Vista system is doing that for them.

Wrap your mind around this though - how funny is it going to be when you find a serial/crack on astalavista.box.sk for Vista?

"Vista ...a name you can trust" ;x

At last ! Revenge on Mac ! (5, Funny)

Ray Alloc (835739) | more than 9 years ago | (#13184578)

Finally I will be able to shut the mouth of my Mac OS 9.1 using neighbour !

Re:At last ! Revenge on Mac ! (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 9 years ago | (#13184698)

About who runs the most obsolete operating system?

daft? (1)

megla (859600) | more than 9 years ago | (#13184579)

There is so much missing from this beta it seems pointless, to an extent. There is certainly much that's missing or isn't finalised which makes it next to useless for interested application developers, I would think.
I guess it's more a case of MS letting the code into the wild to see if it's as robust as they hope.

Call it a Aleta. Or maybe Belpha sounds better...

TORRENT PLEASE (-1, Offtopic)

Anonymous Coward | more than 9 years ago | (#13184581)

TORRENT PLEASE

WOW!! (-1, Troll)

kutsu119 (883719) | more than 9 years ago | (#13184583)

I am an MSDN subscriber and downloaded this. Wow. This thing is going to go down in history as the best operating system EVER.

Christ, I just want to burn any linux distro cd's NOW, this my friends, is the shape of the future. And it's Microsoft.

Re:WOW!! (0)

Gojira Shipi-Taro (465802) | more than 9 years ago | (#13184644)

Interesting. As far as I know, MSDN subscribers are not included in the Beta. It's invitation only...

Re:WOW!! (1)

bitchell (159219) | more than 9 years ago | (#13184689)

Not true it's in the subscriber downloads section.

Re:WOW!! (1)

kutsu119 (883719) | more than 9 years ago | (#13184709)

Thanks, I was just about to post that myself! mod that idiot questioning me down, FELLAS!

Re:WOW!! (1)

lurch_ss (865961) | more than 9 years ago | (#13184683)

Do you mind being just a bit more descriptive?
If you're not being sarcastic that is. It's hard to tell.

Why? (1)

AlltheCoolNamesGone (838035) | more than 9 years ago | (#13184711)

One very simple question. Why? Why is it so much better? Why should I pay X amount of hard earned money to get this upgrade?

I assume there is an NDA but you can tell us something....

Re:Why? (1)

rk_cr (901227) | more than 9 years ago | (#13184781)

Very simple. You will eventually have to upgrade if you want to keep using new software and services to their full extent.

As new versions of Windows are released, rarely will a software company go out of their way to fully support older versions, especially new startups. If I were still running Windows 98 I'd be cut off from quite a few of my favorite programs.

This is not to say you can't keep using Windows XP - but there was a reason I eventually had to upgrade. It just gets to be too much of a hassle to deal with gradually diminishing support and software.

Still installing.. (2, Informative)

TrAvELAr (118445) | more than 9 years ago | (#13184593)

First of all, I'm not an MSDN subscriber, but I have done several betas.

The iso for workstation is about 2.5 GB. I had a couple of failed installs due to a faulty dvd-rom drive and am now almost finished installing it. It looks pretty good so far, from the installer anyways.

Security Exploits (2, Funny)

Anonymous Coward | more than 9 years ago | (#13184616)

In other news Secunia has announced details of two new secuirty exploits going by the names "Vista" and "IE7".

Vista a disaster (-1, Troll)

Anonymous Coward | more than 9 years ago | (#13184628)

Anger and frustration are the two major emotions that overcame me when trying out Vista Beta 1 today. I wasn't expecting anything polished or stable by any means but it was a complete disaster in terms of speed(my 386 runs XP faster), stability(I got enraged within the first minutes after the ways too looong installation procedure), UI organization(it made me throw up), look and feel(yuck!), service management, etc. etc. I would not wish it on my worst enemy to be forced testing Vista. Seriously.

Re:Vista a disaster (-1, Flamebait)

kutsu119 (883719) | more than 9 years ago | (#13184649)

WOW, way to TROLL dude. Vista is fantastic, the only thing I would fault, would PERHAPS be it's speed at this point. But that is it.

Closest idea to a perfect O/S yet!!

Re:Vista a disaster (1)

JFlex (763276) | more than 9 years ago | (#13184681)

"Closest idea to a perfect O/S yet!!" I want what he's smoking...

Re:Vista a disaster (1)

Lionel Debroux (807362) | more than 9 years ago | (#13184695)

Err, why saying mostly the same thing twice (#13184583, #13184649) ?

Windows Vista Beta 1 (-1, Offtopic)

Anonymous Coward | more than 9 years ago | (#13184629)

Any torrents yet?

Wine (2, Interesting)

managementboy (223451) | more than 9 years ago | (#13184645)

Has anyone tried to run IE 7 with WINE on Linux?

Cool. IE7 has priveledge seperation (5, Informative)

ninja_assault_kitten (883141) | more than 9 years ago | (#13184648)

Protected Mode. Available in the Windows Vista beta 2 release and beyond, Internet Explorer Protected Mode will provide new levels of security and data protection for Windows users. Designed to defend against "elevation of privilege" attacks, Internet Explorer Protected Mode provides the safety of a robust Internet browsing experience while helping prevent hackers from taking over the browser and executing code through the use of administrator rights. In this mode, Internet Explorer 7 is completely unable modify user or system files and settings. All communications occur via a broker process that mediates between the Internet Explorer browser and the operating system. The broker process is only initiated when the user clicks on the Internet Explorer menus and screens. The highly restrictive broker process prohibits workarounds from bypassing the Protected Mode. Any scripted actions or automatic processes will be prevented from downloading data or affecting the system. Specifically, Component Object Model objects will only be self-aware and have no reference information by which to identify and attack other applications or the operating system. Internet Explorer Protected Mode helps protect users from malicious downloads by restricting the ability to write to any local machine zone resources other than temporary Internet files. Attempting to write to the Windows Registry or other locations will require the broker process to provide the necessary elevated permissions.

Re:Cool. IE7 has priveledge seperation (5, Funny)

vinohradska (713189) | more than 9 years ago | (#13184826)

Shocking! You mean the browser doesn't have root access to the system? How did they think of that?

OS redundancy? (4, Interesting)

Iriel (810009) | more than 9 years ago | (#13184678)

"...the majority of end-user features in Windows Vista will not be included until Beta 2"

So in other words, beta 1 is just XP with RSS? They already yanked everything else out of the system as is. The reason they call it Vista is because that's all that's left of the OS; a view.

Money (-1, Troll)

slapout (93640) | more than 9 years ago | (#13184684)

These tests are mainly targeted to developers and IT professionals. Thus the betas are only available to MSDN subscribers.

Shouldn't that read: These tests are mainly targeted to developers and IT professionals who have lots of money.

Re:Money (2, Funny)

Evil Adrian (253301) | more than 9 years ago | (#13184706)

MSDN subscription starts at $99 a year... I didn't realize $99 was lots of money, but you know, whatever man.

Re:Money (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 9 years ago | (#13184787)

for me to pay for MSDN it is a huge amount of money.

Windows Vista is visually intuitive! (5, Interesting)

altan (519377) | more than 9 years ago | (#13184696)

This is from the actual page for Vista:

- Glass and new Window animation. The Windows Vista desktop experience will deliver a new visual identity -- translucent glass with more animation. Because it is visually intuitive, the glass helps users focus on the task at hand, whether reading a document, viewing a Web page or editing a photo.

Apparently the best way to develop a "visually intuitive" user interface is glass and more animation!

Re:Windows Vista is visually intuitive! (0)

kutsu119 (883719) | more than 9 years ago | (#13184770)

THe actual implimentation is very intuitive however. I can't say too much because of the NDA, but they have thought "outside of the box" and done something I have never actually seen before.

Microsoft have changed me... I'm impressed!

Re:Windows Vista is visually intuitive! (1)

Flibz (716178) | more than 9 years ago | (#13184774)

I've never like translucent windows. As soon as you get 3 or more layered opver each other, things start getting really illegible.

God only knows my addled brain has enough trouble staring at a screen all day without some bugger making my windows semi transparent.

IE7 _built in_ ? (2, Interesting)

MadCow42 (243108) | more than 9 years ago | (#13184743)

>>Windows Vista Beta 1 also includes the Internet Explorer 7 Beta 1 built into the platform

Wouldn't this fly in the face of the US DOJ ruling that they had to separate it from the OS?

MadCow.

Re:IE7 _built in_ ? (1)

BlackCobra43 (596714) | more than 9 years ago | (#13184824)

This a is a beta. There's no ruling concerning beta products.

Failure #(error to high number to display) of M$ (-1, Troll)

bart416 (900487) | more than 9 years ago | (#13184754)

okay first of all lets start with explaining the shorter terms i will use: M$ = Micro$oft M$N = Micro$oft $pywar Ntwork M$DN = Micro$oft $pywar Dvlopr Ntwork (the $ and signs show how mutch they want money for crap) M$DN is to expensive, so nobody can actualy test vista without paying 100$ atleast. Vista is ultra slow i think. Doesn't run on older pc's. And can be considerd as the greatest crap ever made. Now its time for Mac and Linux to strike. Especialy Apple has its chance now. Vista its requirements are too high, i don't think you will be able to play UT 2K7 on it once that comes out, because of the amount of memory and cpu that vista needs.

I stopped having time for betas long ago (1, Interesting)

PIPBoy3000 (619296) | more than 9 years ago | (#13184762)

Yes I'm an MSDN subscriber through work. No, I won't be downloading the betas. I personally don't have the time to fiddle around with such things any more. It's far easier to wait for others to find the gotchas. When the final version is released, it'll still be months until we deploy it at work.

Feel free to call me lazy. I just know I have interfaces to write and queries to improve. Those things can't wait.

Re:I stopped having time for betas long ago (0)

Quill_28 (553921) | more than 9 years ago | (#13184816)

I don't call you lazy, but do you post to every slashdot article that you plan to ignore because you don't have the time?

 

Re:I stopped having time for betas long ago (1)

Evil Adrian (253301) | more than 9 years ago | (#13184821)

Nobody here cared about how busy you are, but since you decided to post that pointless comment, it begs the question:

If those things can't wait... why are you wasting time on Slashdot?

Re:I stopped having time for betas long ago (1)

Tim Browse (9263) | more than 9 years ago | (#13184822)

Your post is strangely familiar. [imdb.com]

Paul Thurrott Review (5, Informative)

Avatar 888 (256911) | more than 9 years ago | (#13184789)

Paul Thurrott has a fairly comprehensive (and probably quite rose-tinted) review [winsupersite.com] of the Vista beta over at his SuperSite for Windows.

It goes through the vast majority of new features, although doesn't go into a great deal of depth at this early stage. Seems there are no great surprises here - Vista is still very much watered down from initial promises - but apparently things are at least moving along noticably now.

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www.markwheeler.net [markwheeler.net]

Mute Doll release (0)

Spacejock (727523) | more than 9 years ago | (#13184794)

the majority of end-user features in Windows Vista will not be included until Beta 2

... But this one can flutter its eyelids, and its hands move a bit.

some FFT [food for thought] (1, Insightful)

tomstdenis (446163) | more than 9 years ago | (#13184814)

For a website that has bill dressed in a Borg outfit there are sure a lot of press releases^H^H^H^H^H^H^H^H^H articles about Microsoft products...

As my boss often says "it is what it is". Let's just wait for the actual RELEASE of the product instead of talking about it with devote admiration and desire.

Personally I don't see any changes that would make me switch from Gentoo Linux on my AMDX2 to it... let's see

1. Incompetent shell. check.
2. Single desktop desktop. check.
3. High price for "complete" copy. check.
4. Activation. check.
5. Poorly documented closed source kernel. check.
6. Feeding generations of inept developers. check. [re: C#, anything .net, VB, ...]
7. Resource intense OS. check.

I mean I do a lot of development and even I could get by with 256MB of ram [albeit with swapping to disk here and there]. If I didn't compile things of substantial size I could easily run the rest of my desktop applications within 128M, heck even 64M.

The fact that the "newest windows" requires 512M of ram and a gigamahurts processor is a sign things aren't actually improving they're just getting more wasteful.

Tom

Firefox's feature list? (4, Insightful)

trawg (308495) | more than 9 years ago | (#13184829)

Heh, with the exception of "Dynamic security protection", that just reads like Firefox's feature list. Tabbed browsing, 'inline' search from address bar, support for RSS feeds, transparent PNG support... revolutionary!

IE7 not for pirates (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 9 years ago | (#13184830)

Validation Warning [imageshack.us] I've also heard of people having problems when uninstalling.

So far so good (5, Informative)

KE1LR (206175) | more than 9 years ago | (#13184840)

I have Vista B1 on a Thinkpad T40. Not enough time to really dig into it yet but here is a quick list of stuff I've noted so far:
  • Setup has been MUCH improved. Far easier to follow. Installation took about an hour and 10 minutes. (1.6GHz Pentium-M and 1GB of RAM)
  • The new UI, after a few minutes of adjustment, is a big improvement... a good blend of new-and-improved as well as the old-familiar-stuff.
  • Cleaner GUI with lots of OSX influence and visual "bling". The overall effect is much more modern but has a strong resemblance to XP with the "silver" UI theme applied.
  • Performance seems fine - same or better than XP pro on the same machine. Have't done any "real" tests.
  • Installing the SAV 10 client caused a bluescreen on the next boot but the system recovered on its own after a power-off and restart. Attempting to uninstall SAV failed and left SAV in a nonfunctional-and-nonremovable state. I'm wiping the machine and reinstalling.
  • Thunderbird 1.0.6 and GAIM 1.4 worked fine. IMO, Thunderbird looks a lot better with the new visual theme.
  • The Atheros-based 802.11a/b adapter only works in 802.11a mode. Probably a driver limitation. Fortunately my home network is 802.11a. :-)

If I feel brave enough (and our webmasters think they can survive a potential Slashdotting ;-) ) I'll put up some blog entries about my experiences over the next few days.

Availability (3, Funny)

rbarreira (836272) | more than 9 years ago | (#13184841)

Thus the betas are only available to MSDN subscribers.

And to anyone with a P2P client, probably...
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