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Firefox Downloads Reach 75 Million

CowboyNeal posted more than 8 years ago | from the look-out-mcdonalds dept.

Mozilla 343

WindozeSux writes "Today Mozilla Firefox has reached its 75 millionth download. The Mozilla staff find this a morale booster since recent security vulnerabilities have slightly lowered the browser's growth rate. 'We're beefing up the management on the project. The project is still very healthy. We're seeing continued corporate interest and have a lot of large organizations that want to do deployments,' said Chris Hoffman."

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343 comments

In other news. (-1)

Anonymous Coward | more than 8 years ago | (#13193149)

75 Million doesn't beat the First Post.

definition of today (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 8 years ago | (#13193151)

And today on publishing the article was yesterday.

Any chance that security patched versions could increase number of downloads?

Re:definition of today (0, Flamebait)

empaler (130732) | more than 8 years ago | (#13193374)

Just download the world's safest web-browser [opera.com] instead...

75 mil (-1, Offtopic)

Anonymous Coward | more than 8 years ago | (#13193153)

and frist post!
huray!!!

FP! (-1, Offtopic)

Anonymous Coward | more than 8 years ago | (#13193155)

75 millionth FIRST POST! w00t!

Diversity and competition is the Important Thing (5, Insightful)

Max Romantschuk (132276) | more than 8 years ago | (#13193156)

This is a Good Thing. Not because everyone has to use Firefox instead of IE/Opera/Safari/whatever, but because this forces authors to create more standard compliant sites which work on multiple platforms.

Good stuff.

Re:Diversity and competition is the Important Thin (3, Informative)

SimilarityEngine (892055) | more than 8 years ago | (#13193178)

I sincerely hope so, because I'm well and truly sick of this sort of situation [bbc.co.uk] .

relevance (5, Insightful)

R.D.Olivaw (826349) | more than 8 years ago | (#13193159)

What is the relevance of the number of downloads? Someone might download it 4 times to install it at his 4 PC an another might download it once and install it on his company's 200 stations.

Re:relevance (1)

DrEldarion (114072) | more than 8 years ago | (#13193181)

No relevance at all, really. Since there's no way of knowing what's a duplicate download or what's a download destined for multiple machines, the number has no meaning whatsoever.

Re:relevance (3, Insightful)

KiloByte (825081) | more than 8 years ago | (#13193212)

Many millions of Debian users will get their FireFox packages as a .deb, this counts as a single download.
There is quite a bunch of Gentooites, RedHatters, Susians, Fedora-wearing folk and so on...

On the other hand, aware Windows users will re-download FireFox every time that icon in upper right corner of the browser flashes.

Just as you say, the download count is simply useless.

Re:relevance (1)

tarunthegreat2 (761545) | more than 8 years ago | (#13193189)

Although point taken, I don't think every one of those 75-mil downloads is by Cmdr Taco. This comment, posted via a firefox browser...

It's a big number. (4, Insightful)

MarkByers (770551) | more than 8 years ago | (#13193193)

And when I install I from portage it is also not counted. In fact most Linux users are probably not counted, since most use things like apt-get, emerge, or whatever.

What is the relevance? It gives an idea of the popularity of the product. The number is big, and still increasing. That is all that matters.

Re:It's a big number. (1)

astromog (866411) | more than 8 years ago | (#13193298)

Actually if you use portage I think it probably would be counted, since the ebuild downloads it from Mozilla (that being the standard way to get source/binary packages in an ebuild - from the maker). However, with such systems such as apt and rpm-based ones, you are almost certainly correct.

Re:It's a big number. (2, Informative)

MarkByers (770551) | more than 8 years ago | (#13193333)

Actually if you use portage I think it probably would be counted, since the ebuild downloads it from Mozilla (that being the standard way to get source/binary packages in an ebuild - from the maker).

It's true for portage as well. Gentoo uses a system of mirrors so that when you download the source it will try to fetch it from a mirror rather than going to the main site. Watch the screen carefully when you install:

emerge --fetchonly mozilla-firefox
>>> Downloading http ://distfiles.gentoo.org/distfiles/firefox-1.0.6-so urce.tar.bz2

Re:It's a big number. (5, Funny)

Anonymous Coward | more than 8 years ago | (#13193303)

The number is big, and still increasing.


Well, I for one would be really surprised if it started declining.

Re:It's a big number. (1)

PerlDudeXL (456021) | more than 8 years ago | (#13193322)

I guess emerge will download the source from one of the mozilla mirrors. same for 'lin' in lunar linux.

Re:It's a big number. (2, Insightful)

DenDave (700621) | more than 8 years ago | (#13193370)

Well it is significant because linux users mostly on some form of Mozilla anyway. This figure represents the result of advertising campaign and signifies growth in the non-linux market.

Soon there will be more non-linux firefox users than linux users and that will represent a change in target audience and usability requriements. The product will evolve to serve it's new market. It's out of the geekzone...

Re:It's a big number. (1)

new500 (128819) | more than 8 years ago | (#13193382)

and not counted either are private distibutions, or retail distros which bundle the app . . . i often have a mirror on private ftp, just in case some IE diehards i know have a weak moment when i'm uploading another file for them to grab;)

you can improve the single user, many downloads stat usefulness by writing a decent version upgrade system. i used Moz 0.82a "forever" just out of laziness ;)

but - like it or not - free software is at a disadvantage when it comes to compiling persuasuve user statistics - there is neither any point in user registration, nor the expense of overhead for such a system, nor a stream of purchase receipts which can be held up as evidence that unique users are actually deploying an app. i'm not saying purchase = user, or registration = unique user, but those look to me a better starting point from which to begin discounting to guess real deployment.

the only thing that's useful to my mind is the rate of growth in downloads.

if the basic app is reasonably steady, and 1.5 is anyway now delayed, so the upgrade mill is discounted, then a decent steady rate of growth, can be confidently taken as largely new deployments. math up to you :-0

Re:relevance (3, Interesting)

SimilarityEngine (892055) | more than 8 years ago | (#13193194)

What is the relevance of the number of downloads?

Well, that's a valid point but short of requiring every Firefox user to register, how do you reliably gather usage statistics?

Re:relevance (2, Funny)

cheezemonkhai (638797) | more than 8 years ago | (#13193209)

To gather statistics the Mozilla FOundation should include a small program with Firefox.

This would monitor what browser you are using on your system, and would not collect any personal information to be sent back to the foundation. :p

This software could be required to make the browser work, just liek the stuff that is required for software you have paid for.

Don't forget some silly EULA to go with it too.

Re:relevance (1)

chucks86 (799149) | more than 8 years ago | (#13193222)

Duh, spyware.

Re:relevance (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 8 years ago | (#13193372)

uhm, maybe where it actually counts, in http server logs?

Re:relevance (1)

Slashcrunch (626325) | more than 8 years ago | (#13193273)

It's just an indicator of how widespead it has become, not an exact number of users. What do you want, registered user downloads only? Would that make you happy?

BTW, congrats to the Firefox team on an excellent browser that works beautifully on all my Linux machines (that have a desktop) and my work PC :)

Re:relevance (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 8 years ago | (#13193297)

In the previous months, I've downloaded FireFox 1.01, 1.02, 1.03, 1.04, 1.05, 1.06! As FireFox does not download a patch for a security update and one has to download the whole thing again (quite silly in my opinion), does these 6 downloads count as 1 or as 6 in Mozilla's book?

Re:relevance (1)

ssj_195 (827847) | more than 8 years ago | (#13193330)

If you went to the site and manually downloaded, yes; if you used the auto-update, no.

Re:relevance (1)

germanStefan (766513) | more than 8 years ago | (#13193391)

yea I have thought about this too. Or what about all the people on Linux who download it from their distributor. I'm on debian and ubuntu and just apt-get install mozilla-firefox. There are a more than a few million Linux users out there so I'm sure that is not in the stats.

We're beefing up the management on the project. (-1, Troll)

Anonymous Coward | more than 8 years ago | (#13193160)

I do hope so. I am just thinking at the unusuable Firefox 1.0.5 (or Mozlila 1.7.10) ... They do need some management right now!

Can Firefox be marketed? (3, Interesting)

ReformedExCon (897248) | more than 8 years ago | (#13193167)

What I mean is, is there some valuable component or application of Firefox that can be used by product or service companies beyond the basic browser application? IE, for example, is a modular browser component that can be reused in private applications. Linux is useful in a broad range of products/services that aren't simply desktop and server operating systems.

Is Firefox modular enough to break out valuable, reusable parts and implement something new out of them?

I use Firefox on most of my computers, so I'm responsible for about 5 of those 75 million downloads. 30, if they are counting each patch too.

Re:Can Firefox be marketed? (5, Informative)

BlueLightning (442320) | more than 8 years ago | (#13193225)

Well, there is the Mozilla ActiveX project [www.iol.ie] . You can embed the Mozilla ActiveX control into any application to add built-in browsing functionality, just like you can with the IE one (shdocvw).

Re:Can Firefox be marketed? (1, Insightful)

Anonymous Coward | more than 8 years ago | (#13193378)

Perhaps interestingly, I think that would be one of the worst things to happen for the Moz family. Not because I hate on Microsoft (that was so 1998-present) but because the heterogenious nature of network tools is a strength. If you have multiple browsers there is an inherent defense in the fact that they are different and to some extend shove some of their interoperability off onto the servers who have to take care of the exceptions, or at least the top two rules. As they become more interoperable and able to use each others assets natively, that's diminished.

Ideally, one would want a heterogenious network that makes use of a variety of strategies, that's interoperable enough, but no so much that it's easily crippled.

Re:Can Firefox be marketed? (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 8 years ago | (#13193234)

Jesus cannot save anyone, you worthless twat. Jesus is just yet another vapid "reason" that people make up to justify living. It's just as bad as any other religion, family, or pretty much anything else. You're gonna be pretty disappointed if/when you figure out these few years are all you've got. In the meantime, I'll hate and envy you for being able to be so blissfully ignorant.

Re:Can Firefox be marketed? (0, Offtopic)

ReformedExCon (897248) | more than 8 years ago | (#13193353)

I suppose that if there is no God when I die and that my belief in Him was for naught, that I can at least take satisfaction in how I lived my life trying to do my best to be patient and kind to other people and generally doing my best to live rightly.

Re:Can Firefox be marketed? (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 8 years ago | (#13193379)

hear hear.

jesus was also the first anti capitalist revolutionary.

his subversive message that they killed him for?

"love thy neighbour"

when they kill to suppress a message that scares them so much. it is our duty to make it our daily truth.

thanks,

A concerned muslim from iran.

XUL (3, Informative)

Trevelyan (535381) | more than 8 years ago | (#13193265)

Firefox is built on xul, so any os that runs firefox can run your xul app.
http://www.mozilla.org/projects/xul/ [mozilla.org]
http://www.xulplanet.com/ [xulplanet.com]

Also as to components you can use in your apps. There is the render engine:
http://www.mozilla.org/newlayout/ [mozilla.org]
http://www.mozilla.org/projects/embedding/GRE.html [mozilla.org]
Or the script engine, rhino
http://www.mozilla.org/rhino/ [mozilla.org]

Re:Can Firefox be marketed? (2, Informative)

MarkByers (770551) | more than 8 years ago | (#13193267)

I use Firefox on most of my computers, so I'm responsible for about 5 of those 75 million downloads. 30, if they are counting each patch too.

Don't worry... If you use the built-in update feature of Firefox, your security upgrades are not counted in the total number of downloads. Only downloads via the website are counted.

Which am I going to say next? (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 8 years ago | (#13193168)

Chris Hoffman or.. Chris... Frenchman?

FF @ 63%, IE @ 16% & others total 21% (-1, Troll)

CarbonBasedSoda (902364) | more than 8 years ago | (#13193169)

63.1% of readers user Firefox here [overheardintheuk.com] .

MOD PARENT DOWN (0, Offtopic)

WindBourne (631190) | more than 8 years ago | (#13193196)

this guy is totally spamming here.

META-MODS, Please take care of this (0, Offtopic)

WindBourne (631190) | more than 8 years ago | (#13193244)

This was attempting to stop this guy from spamming and sending his spyware here (does it every day). Somebody is now killing others for no reasons.

Re:FF @ 63%, IE @ 16% & others total 21% (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 8 years ago | (#13193304)

CarbonBasedSoda (902364) [slashdot.org] and gestures (903110) [slashdot.org] are two sock puppet accounts that have been trolling for hits to a (seriously) shitty blog.

Re:FF @ 63%, IE @ 16% & others total 21% (-1, Offtopic)

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The competition isn't coming. (5, Informative)

Ckwop (707653) | more than 8 years ago | (#13193179)

And guess what, Firefox is going to keep growing! Why? Because IE7 is a rubbish. Before you mod this flamebait, let me explain why. Here [ckwop.me.uk] is a screenshot of IE7 beta. Examine it closely. Here are my issue with it:

  1. Where the fuck is the refresh button? After ten minutes you work out it's the little button next to the right of the URL entry bit.
  2. Why is the menu Below the tabs. I find this inconsistent and confusing. Worst of all, there's no way to put it in it's proper position.
  3. Have Microsoft dropped it's entire design team, the tabs look simply awful. That little grey bit to the right of the tabs allows you to create a new tab by clicking on it. That's fairly cool, but holy shit it just looks wrong.
  4. The home icon on the left hand side of the screen is in that default position, unexpanded, where did my Favourites go or everything else go?
  5. If this is it, what took so freaking long?

Seriously, this looks like it was designed by an amateur software development team. This is meant to be the Firefox killer? Firefox is showing that a monopoly doesn't guarentee you a browser monopoly. Is IE7 going to stop the rot? I doubt it very much. Firefox looks and feels better. Hats off to the Firefox team.

Simon.

Re:The competition isn't coming. (1)

JaF893 (745419) | more than 8 years ago | (#13193191)

So your saying that IE7 is rubbish because it doesn't look nice? It's still in beta FFS! I know a lot of people on Slashdot hate Microsoft but this is getting ridiculous.

Re:The competition isn't coming. (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 8 years ago | (#13193201)

No man, the look AND feel AND function of IE is not up to snuff!

Plain and simple. All those facters MATTERS!

Re:The competition isn't coming. (4, Insightful)

Ckwop (707653) | more than 8 years ago | (#13193221)

So your saying that IE7 is rubbish because it doesn't look nice? It's still in beta FFS! I know a lot of people on Slashdot hate Microsoft but this is getting ridiculous.

Anybody can write a program, writing a program that is easy for a non-literate person to use is a real challenge.

We live in a world where people judge everything by the way it looks. People buy Ipods because they look and feel better than the competition even though there are high capacity, longer battery life alternatives.

Even if we discount the visual side of IE, it's still rubish. It's so far away from standard compliance that it might aswell be considered it's own platform. It delivered full PNG support half a decade too late. ActiveX needs no introduction. It's crap, and this version is no better.

Simon.

Re:The competition isn't coming. (2, Insightful)

jtwJGuevara (749094) | more than 8 years ago | (#13193250)

I think the point the grandparent is trying to make is that IE7 is a beta product. We can discuss firefox's superiority to any UI shortcomings in a beta product of IE all we want, but it will become moot if the production release of IE7's UI is imporoved. Ditto for any feature of the IE7 beta. I'm speaking in general here, but I can't see any software project along the magnitude of IE7 making it to production without the developers and UI designers recieving tons of disgruntled feedback like you've already described.

Re:The competition isn't coming. (2, Insightful)

Justin205 (662116) | more than 8 years ago | (#13193276)

I think the point the grandparent is trying to make is that IE7 is a beta product.

As the original poster stated, why did this take so long to make? Even if it's a beta, can't they have made it a bit nicer looking in the about-4 years since the last IE release?

Re:The competition isn't coming. (1)

jtwJGuevara (749094) | more than 8 years ago | (#13193307)

Wild shot in the dark here - but my best guess is that most of the MS camp hasn't seen Firefox until very recently and the UI you are seeing is their first crack at actually trying a slim user interface (read: using someone else's idea in their own products).

Also, as someone else who replied to the original post stated, beta software can contain lots of work that is not GUI related and is definitely not apparent from one screenshot.

Re:The competition isn't coming. (1)

gilroy (155262) | more than 8 years ago | (#13193315)

Blockaquoth the poster:

but my best guess is that most of the MS camp hasn't seen Firefox until very recently and the UI you are seeing is their first crack at actually trying a slim user interface (read: using someone else's idea in their own products).

Ah, you mean "innovating" (Microsoft style). And then in two years, they'll be claiming they invented all of this anyway.

Re:The competition isn't coming. (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 8 years ago | (#13193375)

Microsoft hasn't been writing IE7 for 4 years, its only been 6 months or something like that, when FireFox really started to get going. As for the interface, it is a beta..MS aren't stupid, and I'm almost 100% sure that the developers of IE have seen/used FireFox, you'd have to be living in a dark dark cave to not have.

Re:The competition isn't coming. (3, Insightful)

tangledbank (902770) | more than 8 years ago | (#13193253)

At least give it a chance. All products are terrible in first beta, and if they were working on the back end then the GUI has taken a hit, big deal. When the betas progress, I think everything will get sorted out. May not be a good product, but you can't judge the final release on that screenshot alone. FYI: I believe IE has W3C perfect PNG compliance. The thing it misses out is alpha transparency, which isn't required.

In other news: That they got 75 millions downloads is great, but it doesn't tell you much. For example, it doesn't tell you how many people are using it as their main browser. I personally have Safari, Camino, Firefox, IE and Opera. I only use Safari regularly. I don't read too much into that figure.

Re:The competition isn't coming. (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 8 years ago | (#13193314)

At least give it a chance.

This is going to be version 7. 6 previous major versions is more than enough of a chance. Based on previous releases, IE 7 will suck.

Stupid Firefox fanboy! (5, Funny)

Winckle (870180) | more than 8 years ago | (#13193236)

I'm trying to look at your screenshot, but IE6 doesn't even say there's a picture there, what the fuck is png, everyone knows pictures are .jpg!

Re:The competition isn't coming. (1)

CosmeticLobotamy (155360) | more than 8 years ago | (#13193245)

Um... The menu is clearly intended to be movable. It's got the "movable" thingy on the left. If it's not now, it will be at release.

Re:The competition isn't coming. (3, Insightful)

Max Romantschuk (132276) | more than 8 years ago | (#13193254)

Let me guess: you don't write software?

Minor interface issues like where to place buttons by default (which can probably be customized anyway) is the least of your problems when developing a browser. The big issues are things that you can't see without examining the code, like how the rendering engine decides which layout algorithm to use depending on the CSS display and float properties. Etc. etc. etc.

In short: You're reacting like you are saying a house is crap because it's ugly, at the stage the walls haven't even been painted yet.

Re:The competition isn't coming. (1)

StonedRat (837378) | more than 8 years ago | (#13193287)

But the rendering engine has no new CSS support at all. Just a few fixes for dumb bugs like the peek-a-boo bug.

Re:The competition isn't coming. (1)

Ckwop (707653) | more than 8 years ago | (#13193288)

Minor interface issues like where to place buttons by default (which can probably be customized anyway) is the least of your problems when developing a browser. The big issues are things that you can't see without examining the code, like how the rendering engine decides which layout algorithm to use depending on the CSS display and float properties. Etc. etc. etc.

I do write software, professionally, and it's that type of thinking that leads to some of the horrible interfaces we see in OSS. It may be PHYSICALLY easy to move a button on a screen but arranging the buttons so that a novice can deduce their function is very difficult.

This point is very often missed on developers. OSS zealots are the worst for this; "if they can't figure it out, they're too stupid to use it". Congratulations, you've lost 90% of the market.

Simon.

Re:The competition isn't coming. (2, Informative)

OverlordQ (264228) | more than 8 years ago | (#13193292)

1-5) Everything is movable . . . see that little grey thing at the left side . . click it and move it . . it's been like that since IE5

Re:The competition isn't coming. (1)

Burning1 (204959) | more than 8 years ago | (#13193295)

Geeze, talk about jumping to conclusions. It looks like someone fucked up their customizable toolbars to me.

Re:The competition isn't coming. (0, Troll)

OverlordQ (264228) | more than 8 years ago | (#13193311)

and you think anybody is going to care or notice? Nooooo this is SLASHDOT . . of course a Microsoft product is shitty

Re:The competition isn't coming. (0, Insightful)

Anonymous Coward | more than 8 years ago | (#13193296)

How the fuck is this 'informative'?

He's knocking a product he hasn't even USED, on what information he coulld gleam from a fucking SCREENSHOT? And this is informative?

FYI, the menu bar is below the tab bar so it can stay contextual to the document being viewed in that tab, be it a PDF, a Word document or an Excel sheet. It's a simple switch that affords a great increase in versatility with no practical downsides, and you're knocking it simply because firefox does it differently and you don't like the look of it? Bitch please.

Why is it that everyone pisses and whinges at Microsoft for 'not innovating', and as soon as they do take a concept and add more functionality to it, they throw their hands up in the air and cry foul because it isn't how other program x does it?

Yet if anyone calls them on it and makes a flawlessly cohesive analogy that makes one of their favourite products/developers look bad, they get modded into oblivion? Fuck that. The only good thing about the Slashdot moderation system is that you can turn it off. This is why I browse at -1, Nested. I advise anyone who values contrary opinions and reading the other side to arguments do the same.

Re:The competition isn't coming. (1)

Ckwop (707653) | more than 8 years ago | (#13193344)

http://www.ckwop.me.uk/ [ckwop.me.uk] is my site, it's a screenshot from my screen.

Simon.

Re:The competition isn't coming. (3, Funny)

Netsensei (838071) | more than 8 years ago | (#13193323)

Am I the only one that notices the difference between the IE7 'home' button and the one from FF? Examine it closely, the only 'real' differences are the makeshift chimney and the absence of windows. I - for one - wouldn't trust a home with no windows and a chimney. This is especially disturbing for the elderly!

In conclusion: IE7 makes you go bald and infertile. Your wife *will* leave you and your cat will most likely vomit on your keyboard. (can I have a cookie now?)

Re:The competition isn't coming. (1)

rokzy (687636) | more than 8 years ago | (#13193332)

you missed out
0. It shows ads.

Re:The competition isn't coming. (0)

Council (514577) | more than 8 years ago | (#13193339)

Here's the usual plug for Maxthon [maxthon.com] , the alternate IE-based browser I (and many friends) use. It uses the IE core (I actually really get kinda annoyed by Gecko in practice, so I'm okay with the rendering), it actually has fast UI response (which is a breath of fresh air after months of Firefox's dozens-of-ms delay before pulling up tabs), it's compatible, blah blah blah, other stuff I'm too tired to talk about now. I don't wanna proselytize; use whatever works for you. I just want to say I've used Firefox extensively with full extensions setting it up precisely how I want, as have friends on various computing levels, and a lot have gone back to Maxthon.

I feel terrible that I'm reported to sites as using IE, but that's how it is. I'm sorry, everyone.

Re:The competition isn't coming. (1)

Council (514577) | more than 8 years ago | (#13193362)

Oh, and it's at over 30 million downloads, which is something to shake a stick at.

Whatever the hell that means. I want to go back to sleep.

Security is so backwards sometimes (3, Interesting)

WindBourne (631190) | more than 8 years ago | (#13193184)

Where I am currently working at, they tried to get rid of all the firefox on all the systems. Even if you upgraded to current, they did not want anybody on it, unless you had a business reason. So what was the browser of choice? MSIE.


Funny thing is that in 6 months that I have worked here is the only time since 1993-94 that I have been on Windows. I have seen no less than 5 system be massively infected because of MSIE (in a group of 20). Huge amounts of work had to be discarded (can not have virus/spyware getting into this software), which probably cost this company no less than 100K (and that is just what I am aware of. I have heard that it happens here constantly).


Yet, they discard Firefox, which I heard that they can not prove infected even one system (but they can prove that those 5 system were through MSIE, and the sys ads think all the others were as well).

Insane.

Discarding ass (1)

MarkByers (770551) | more than 8 years ago | (#13193381)

Huge amounts of work had to be discarded (can not have virus/spyware getting into this software), which probably cost this company no less than 100K

The software was discarded? Were there no backups? I assume that the software was developed in-house, so don't you have the source code? Or did the viruses infect the source-code too? That would be some neat trick! Don't blame Microsoft for your company's incompetence.

Security vulnerabilities and growth rate? (2, Interesting)

tulimulta (769091) | more than 8 years ago | (#13193187)

What makes people think that the discovered security vulnerabiliies and the slowing growth rate have anything to do with each other?

About that... (3, Funny)

Rie Beam (632299) | more than 8 years ago | (#13193192)

The Mozilla staff find this a morale booster since recent security vulnerabilities have slightly lowered the browser's growth rate.
...about that...Seventy-four million of those were me - you see, I've got AOL, and it has a tendency to disconnect me mid-download, so a lot of that was probably me trying to get a full copy. But hey! There's always next month.

Promoters (4, Funny)

KiloByte (825081) | more than 8 years ago | (#13193195)

Don't worry.
With a huge corporation [microsoft.com] doing everything they can [microsoft.com] to support Firefox, how can it fail?
The day MS changes its tactics I may start to worry.

Some advice to the Firefox team (4, Insightful)

pieterh (196118) | more than 8 years ago | (#13193199)

Keep it simple.

The biggest danger to Firefox is that you forget the key reasons people like this browser... compact, fast, and secure.

It's the "winamp" lesson.

Re:Some advice to the Firefox team (1)

Sartak (589317) | more than 8 years ago | (#13193389)

I propose an amendment. Keep it simple, but also cater to the experts. Power users will enjoy having SVG support in their browser. Joe Random probably will not need such complexity in the near future. Who says you cannot please everyone?

Exaggerated figures (1)

Kawahee (901497) | more than 8 years ago | (#13193200)

These figures are hellishly exaggerated. I've downloaded Firefox 12 times already. Through in the Opera-cache claim and you end up with Firefox Usage = Bullshit.

Re:Exaggerated figures (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 8 years ago | (#13193293)

Hey douchebag,

apt-get install mozilla-firefox
How many downloads is that?
How many people on linux use firefox?

kthx

Re:Exaggerated figures (2, Insightful)

MTO_B. (814477) | more than 8 years ago | (#13193294)

Not really.
It may not be an exact number, but it can give a good indication. Others like me have downloaded it once and installed it in 12 computers or more, that accounts for your "extra 12 downloads".
Then you may add:
- Firefox added onto CD's (magazine, etc)
- Third party ftp sites not tracked
- Company mass installs ...

As I said... it's just a good hint at how many installs there are, it could be less as you claim, and it could be more...

Re:Exaggerated figures (1)

gilroy (155262) | more than 8 years ago | (#13193306)

As is almost always the case, the statistic seems perfectly fine. The interpretation is trickier.

Re:Exaggerated figures (1)

sm00f (819489) | more than 8 years ago | (#13193329)

It would be quite easy to just filter downloads by unique ip numbers and get a much more accurate download count, I wonder if they do this or not.

Re:Exaggerated figures (1)

Rakshasa Taisab (244699) | more than 8 years ago | (#13193363)

Thanks for the notice, the /. editors should change the headline to say its been downloaded by only 74,999,989 users.

Ofcourse, they'll need to modify this number if more people speak up about them having been a source of statistical error.

It also looks like users not only install (3, Interesting)

jurt1235 (834677) | more than 8 years ago | (#13193208)

but also seem to use it more often. Downloading installing and then decide to not use it (IE is simpler/used to/plays my favourite spyware better) happens a lot too. However in januari about 10% of the pages was views with firefox on my webserver (mix of restaurants, IT, realestate, blogs ea companies use it), The last two months that has risen to about 15%. See http://totalweb.edusupport.nl/usage_200507.html [edusupport.nl] for the stats (near bottom for browser stats).

Re:It also looks like users not only install (2, Interesting)

neonstz (79215) | more than 8 years ago | (#13193390)

One of my sites was linked to from boingboing and gizmondo a few days ago. About 48% of the visitors use IE, 38% use Firefox. About 86% were using Windows.

More Accurate (1)

nozzo (851371) | more than 8 years ago | (#13193228)

As stated by other posters it really doesn't matter how many times it is downloaded - it has no bearing at all on usage - what will happen is that downloads will exceed human population. A more accurate gauge may be hits when FireFox checks for updates - but even that may be blocked by firewalls etc. Market Research is the way forward.

Re:More Accurate (3, Insightful)

SimilarityEngine (892055) | more than 8 years ago | (#13193247)

I suppose the most significant statistic for web developers would be: what proportion of browser requests to my site originate from browsers others than IE?

It is the growth of this number that will motivate the development of more standards-compliant web pages.

Problem is, browsers can "lie" about their identity (usually to pretend to be IE) - a practice that itself will only decline when IE is no longer the assumed "standard".

Perspective (3, Insightful)

Phroggy (441) | more than 8 years ago | (#13193235)

Firefox has been downloaded 75 million times. Many of these were upgrades from previous versions, which had already been counted.

Over 500 million songs [zdnet.com] have been purchased and downloaded from the iTunes Music Store. Many of these were purchased by the same person who had previously downloaded other iTMS songs (and often, the songs were part of an album and not purchased separately).

These really have nothing to do with each other, but it's sort of startling to consider the popularity of Firefox, which many of us depend on all the time and is free, compared to the popularity of something like the iTunes Music Store, which many of us never intend to give a dime to (draconian DRM and all that).

Re:Perspective (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 8 years ago | (#13193354)

>...draconian DRM...

you can object to the use of DRM at all, but to call it "draconian" just makes you look like an idiot.

Including updated version downloads in the count? (1)

Swedey (817828) | more than 8 years ago | (#13193266)

How do they count these downloads? Couldn't many of them be people who are already Firefox users downloading updated versions? New versions seem to come out about every month and a half or so.

Just this one ststiatic is reliable! (2, Insightful)

bogaboga (793279) | more than 8 years ago | (#13193268)

And this is: Firefox has been downloaded 75 million times.

These other inferences are contentious:

1: Firefox has been installed on 75 million computers.

2: Firefox is in [regular] use on 75 million computers.

3: Those who have decided to install Firefox are using it on a daily basis.

4: And so many more.

Re:Just this one ststiatic is reliable! (1)

William Robinson (875390) | more than 8 years ago | (#13193312)

Yes, you are right that this is just one statistic. It could be possible that Firefox is running on more computers than this number, since it has become part of many distros. Also, many SysAdmins I know have downloaded Firefox only once and install on 1000's of PCs.

In a way you are right that any inference could be dangerous, unless visitor statistics from actual websites are posted.

Hmmm (1)

kernelpanicked (882802) | more than 8 years ago | (#13193282)

Could it possibly be because Firefox gets a new subversion release every other day, and the only real way to upgrade is to download it again?

Well, whatever, at the rate those versions are going up soon it'll be at 1.7.8 and they can put back all the features they ripped out to make that bastardised POS to begin with.

Well, I for one.... (1, Funny)

Eatmorecake (858982) | more than 8 years ago | (#13193317)

Welcome our new Open-Source, Not-for-Profit Overlords....

Congradulations, Firefox Team.

Firefox Download Counters (3, Interesting)

webslash (893769) | more than 8 years ago | (#13193319)

The Spread firefox community has helped to develop firefox download counters [blogspot.com] which can track the exact number of downloads in real time.

I use Firefox! Why? (3, Insightful)

Saggi (462624) | more than 8 years ago | (#13193331)

I use Firefox! Why? - is the question we should answer.

If a browser is going to embrace the market (open source or not) it needs to add value to the users of the browser. If it's named IE, Firefox or something else is a secondary effect. (I know a lot of us here on SlashDot might use it just because it's cool).

Firefox has in my opinion 3 major advances: Tabbed browsing (when you tried it, you will never live without it again), better security and customization/extras abilities. You may have additional advances, but these are the ones I favor.

When I say better security, its not only a question about how many security holes there are in the browser, its also a question in regards to how many browsers are out there. To target IE is much smarter than some "minor" browser. Of cause this benefit will slowly decrease as Firefox becomes more popular.

Customization is an other issue. You may adjust IE, but the extras for Firefox are really good. I'm not even sure they can be made to IE (at least they are not easy to make). My Firefox is loaded with extensions. And the ones I use are of my own choice (you'll probably have your own favorite list). This option is not available in IE in the same degree. Some likes themes as well. I use the browser daily, so for me it's important to have a very functionally theme rather than a fancy one. (I use a very tiny one to get better space).

When I first installed Firefox I went to my own website (www.rednebula.com), and was disappointed as the layout collapsed... but as I checked the html, I realized that it often was due to errors in my html code that IE simply ignored. Now my website has been tuned to both Firefox and IE, giving better and nicer html... a nice secondary effect.

Fascinating (3, Interesting)

ZeroExistenZ (721849) | more than 8 years ago | (#13193335)

All the people who I've showed FF are superhappy as they feel their PCs perform better now they understand IE brings in most of their nastyware and they tell about it to their friends, or customers. (A friend at the Blackberry / 3G helpdesk of VodaPhone redirects now everyone having some sortof browsing probs to FF's website to get a copy as she herself feels FF has solved alot of her frustrations.)

I find it a fascinating statement, as were people ACTIVELY go out to find a browser even when there's one preinstalled.

It's a very strong statement...

OT FireFox security extension (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 8 years ago | (#13193336)

Network Security at Stanford has brought out pwdhash [stanford.edu] .

from the webpage:

"A Simple Solution. PwdHash is an browser extension that transparently converts a user's password into a domain-specific password. The user can activate this hashing by choosing passwords that start with a special prefix (@@) or by pressing a special password key (F2). PwdHash automatically replaces the contents of these password fields with a one-way hash of the pair (password, domain-name). As a result, the site only sees a domain-specific hash of the password, as opposed to the password itself. A break-in at a low security site exposes password hashes rather than an actual password. We emphasize that the hash function we use is public and can be computed on any machine which enables users to login to their web accounts from any machine in the world. Hashing is done using a Pseudo Random Function (PRF)."

It also works on IE, and the same site has SpoofGuard [stanford.edu] for IE. SpoofGuard is an antiphising extention. I don't use IE but spreading the word on the above makes the web a safer place.

Prize for the 75th million downloader (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 8 years ago | (#13193350)

The 500th million iTunes downloader got 10 iPods, but what did the 75th million firefox downloader got? 10 free Firefox downloads?

Firefox market share and versions (4, Informative)

webplay (903555) | more than 8 years ago | (#13193352)

Latest data on Firefox market share and versions from a popular (100,000+ unique visitors/day) general-interest site I own, collected in the last 2 days:

Share of pageviews (including robots): 12.3%
Share of pageviews (excluding robots): 13.0%

Most popular versions:
1.7.8 on XP: 23%
1.7.10 on XP: 20%
1.7.5 on XP: 12%
1.7.2 on XP: 5%
1.7.8 on NT: 5%
1.7.x on OS X: 4%
1.7.7 on XP: 4%
1.7.9 on XP: 3%
1.4 on XP: 2%
1.7.3 on XP: 2%
1.7.10 on NT: 2%
1.7.5 on NT: 1%
1.7 on XP: 1%
1.7.8 on Win 98: 1%
1.7.6 on NT: 1%
1.7.10 on Win 98: 1%
1.7.10 on Linux: 1%

Firefox users running the latest version: ~25%

Re:Firefox market share and versions (1)

webplay (903555) | more than 8 years ago | (#13193364)

Oops missed one:
1.7.6 on XP: 5%

congratulations (2, Funny)

aalu.paneer (872021) | more than 8 years ago | (#13193373)

great job firefox team ... thanks to you 2005 is not like 1984 ...

And counting (1)

Crip42 (891808) | more than 8 years ago | (#13193380)

indeed it is now 75000001

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