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Monad Shell Removed From Vista

Zonk posted more than 8 years ago | from the easy-come-easy-go dept.

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hggs writes "According to Stephen Toulouse at Microsoft, because of the possible virus threat that targets Monad the shell will not be included in Windows Vista. CNet is reporting that, even though Monad is not to be included on Vista, it will be included on a major server operating system for servers from Microsoft. Codenamed Longhorn server, that edition is due out by 2007." Update: 08/06 04:45 GMT by Z : As Mr. Toulouse states here, the submission here adds one and one and gets three. Monad hasn't been in Vista for about two months. The CNet article is clarifying a previous report stating that Monad could potentially be the first source of viruses in an OS which incorporated it. The interesting news about Monad in the server edition was obscured by the factually incorrect submission, which at first blush seemed to make sense. Mea Culpa.

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Slide more and more... (1)

dhakbar (783117) | more than 8 years ago | (#13254589)

Damn, how long will they delay all of these MEGA-AWESOME MUST BUY features? Are they really so incompetent?

Re:Slide more and more... (4, Interesting)

sH4RD (749216) | more than 8 years ago | (#13254641)

You do realize that many of the features in Longhorn/Vista (most importantly WinFS) were due for Windows NT 3.x? The creators of NT were way before their time, but typical Microsoft screwed everything up. If Windows NT 3.x had the features originally planned, I don't think Windows would nearly suck as much as it does now. Instead they have spent 10 years trying to add the features that were supposed to be there in the first place. Imagine where we could be instead. A world where Microsoft might actually not suck. But instead here we are, wishing Longhorn/Vista had all those nice features that would make our experience with Windows (face it, you can't escape from it all the time) a little nicer. Those "MEGA-AWESOME MUST BUY features" have been delayed so long that I'm sure Microsoft doesn't mind leaving them out for later.

FP (2, Insightful)

Microlith (54737) | more than 8 years ago | (#13254590)

Yet another feature stripped from the next release of Windows.

I guess microsoft figures that only people who spend several thousand for a computer deserve even moderately capable tools.

Oh well. More and more reason to not bother upgrading, and gear towards an eventual switch to Linux someday.

Poster Wrong. (5, Informative)

AdroitOneX (711013) | more than 8 years ago | (#13254591)

I RTFA and it does not even imply that MONAD will not be included in Windows Vista because of the virus threat. In fact, MS announced almost two months ago [slashdot.org] that Mondad will not be included in Windows Vista (then Longhorn).

Re:Poster Wrong. (1)

skomes (868255) | more than 8 years ago | (#13254699)

I'm guessing the description which was overloaded lead you to click the wrong link. The pertinent article is located in the last link, and it is fairly evident which link proves the point of the description. Just in case you're still having trouble finding it, here it is. http://news.com.com/Microsoft+Virus+target+wont+be +in+Vista/2100-1002_3-5820706.html?part=rss&tag=58 20706&subj=news [com.com]

Re:Poster Wrong. (1)

kccricket (217833) | more than 8 years ago | (#13254745)

I think the point that AdroitOneX was trying to make is that Monad can't be removed from Vista (as the /. article's title suggests) since it was never going to be in Vista to begin with.

Oh yeah- that will do a lot of good (2, Insightful)

Marxist Hacker 42 (638312) | more than 8 years ago | (#13254593)

Remove the capability of the command line for home users, but leave a buggy and insecure shell for servers where hackers can have lots of fun messing up enterprise level websites!

Re:Oh yeah- that will do a lot of good (2, Insightful)

XorNand (517466) | more than 8 years ago | (#13254634)

I dunno. I'd rather have to worry about securing the MS boxes that I admin vs. defending them against DDOS attacks from legions of zombies.

Re:Oh yeah- that will do a lot of good (0, Redundant)

Jeff DeMaagd (2015) | more than 8 years ago | (#13254692)

Remove the capability of the command line for home users, but leave a buggy and insecure shell for servers where hackers can have lots of fun messing up enterprise level websites!

Just as well. Enterprise level web sites running on Windows sounds sooo wrong.

Re:Oh yeah- that will do a lot of good (1)

Saeed al-Sahaf (665390) | more than 8 years ago | (#13254735)

It's interesting that many people here thing the only things that people use servers for is Internet. This is so far from the truth.

Re:Oh yeah- that will do a lot of good (0, Redundant)

MightyMartian (840721) | more than 8 years ago | (#13254719)

Why the f**k doesn't Microsoft simply make a decent port of bash? For Christ's sakes, Bourne-like shells have been running under *nix for a helluva long time. What is Microsoft's fixation with recreating the wheel, and then, to top it off, doing it badly? They're like heroin junkies in Redmond, always looking for the latest fix, and always busting off the needle.

Re:Oh yeah- that will do a lot of good (1)

Com2Kid (142006) | more than 8 years ago | (#13254737)

Monad rocks actually. It has TONS of rough edges, but I can see how it is insanly powerful as well.

Come on, the idea of piping entire objects doesn't light up any of the nerd bits in you at all?

Re:Oh yeah- that will do a lot of good (1)

MightyMartian (840721) | more than 8 years ago | (#13254760)

Having a functional Windows shell script would be fine by me. I screw around with CMD.EXE, Jscript and VBscript and then go to my *nix boxes and go "Oh yeah, that's why Unix is so bloody superior."

Re:Oh yeah- that will do a lot of good (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 8 years ago | (#13254814)

You are SOOOOO l33t!

Re:Oh yeah- that will do a lot of good (2, Insightful)

diegocgteleline.es (653730) | more than 8 years ago | (#13254742)

I don't think monad is buggy. I think that Monad's main problem is that it's too flexible - ie: like perl, python, etc. Just like it's easy to write a virus in a few lines of perl, it should be easier for virus writers to write virus with monad.

Remember that virus use "generic" tecnology, things that everybody has, IOW generic windows installations. If everybody has a powerful shell script like monad it'll be easier for virus writers to write virus. If it's optional, it will not be so dangerous because virus writers won't write virus for something that is not widespread, and still people who wants it will be happy because they'll be able to install it and use it

Re:Oh yeah- that will do a lot of good (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 8 years ago | (#13254799)

"If it's optional, it will not be so dangerous because virus writers won't write virus for something that is not widespread, and still people who wants it will be happy because they'll be able to install it and use it"

Exactly. Why strip the thing out of the user version? Why not just put the more "dangerous" features on an extras cd and give the user a warning about its implications?

Re:Oh yeah- that will do a lot of good (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 8 years ago | (#13254819)

You're wrong. You don't need ANY flexibelity beyond minimum requirements for a shell scripting language to make such a silly "proof of concept" viruses. Have you even tried to take a look at what is it all about? This is a silly script that simply: 1) finds all script files in the system 2) copies itself over them! As far as I can tell, listing a directory and copying files are the bare possible minimum for any script! (and guess what? this silly script even does not spread! as monad's scripts should be digitally signed, this virus ultimately just overwrites/adds something to some files and render them in-executable!)

Re:Oh yeah- that will do a lot of good (3, Funny)

vlad30 (44644) | more than 8 years ago | (#13254830)

"but leave a buggy and insecure shell for servers where hackers can have lots of fun messing up "

Job Security!!

of course (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 8 years ago | (#13254594)

possible virus threat = remove it? better remove everything else too

because of the threat of viruses (3, Funny)

cryptoz (878581) | more than 8 years ago | (#13254597)

Microsoft has decided to not release Windows Vista at all this year.

Re:because of the threat of viruses (1)

ruiner13 (527499) | more than 8 years ago | (#13254679)

Um, hate to spoil your attempt at humor, but it is supposed to come out 2nd half of next year. This isn't new information. One of the senior guys in an interview accidentally leaked the holiday season as the target for it.

Re:because of the threat of viruses (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 8 years ago | (#13254713)

Eh? Didn't spoil my attempt at humour at all. In fact, hey, I learned something today. Thank you.

Re:because of the threat of viruses (1)

Dunbal (464142) | more than 8 years ago | (#13254848)

One of the senior guys in an interview accidentally leaked the holiday season as the target for it.

OMG you have to love those marketing people.

"Yeah honey, you know, what I really want for Christmas this year is a copy of Microsoft Vista!" Barrrrrrf.

or as an alternative:

"Oh look, D3ll now has Vista on their PC's just in time for Christmas. I HAVE to buy a D3ll PC for Christmas now!" Urghghgh.

even better: "I spent New Year's Eve downloading Vista and the serial crack...Happy New Year Microsoft!"

Re:because of the threat of viruses (2, Funny)

chrono13 (879557) | more than 8 years ago | (#13254776)

Microsoft announces Monad is insufficient for Vista.

Later this week they plan to unveil Gonad, the new MSShell.

A senior Microsoft developer leaked some details of the new Gonad shell "When you start the computer, it boots your Gonad and brings up a MShell". When pressed for further information, he said "Not now, I have a headache".

Dont blame them (1)

OverlordQ (264228) | more than 8 years ago | (#13254598)

Although it's been proven that it's a common vulnerability in *all* shells, there's something to be said about the average windows user.

Re:Dont blame them (1)

TheOtherAgentM (700696) | more than 8 years ago | (#13254663)

The problem is that Microsoft tries to make it so easy to run a server. It's the same people that are running the servers.

Re:Dont blame them (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 8 years ago | (#13254676)

So you must be the flaming idiot I hear so much about?

Ah, good plan (1)

WillAffleckUW (858324) | more than 8 years ago | (#13254601)

include scripting that's vulnerable on the servers, but not on the clients.

Yeah, it's not like they actually seek out servers to hack, right?

Re:Ah, good plan (1)

pkhuong (686673) | more than 8 years ago | (#13254648)

Yeah, i guess you're right. There shall be no sh on my servers! The so-called vulnerability is only the consequence of the fact that *gasp*, when you execute a shell script, the script can modify files(!, etc etc).

Re:Ah, good plan (1)

WillAffleckUW (858324) | more than 8 years ago | (#13254727)

Yeah, i guess you're right. There shall be no sh on my servers! The so-called vulnerability is only the consequence of the fact that *gasp*, when you execute a shell script, the script can modify files(!, etc etc).

Don't bash the bearer of bad news ... I was just going csh csh when the ksh news came out.

Twas MSFT pulled the plug on it, not I.

Besides, you could always get a Mac or use Linux/BSD instead.

FIRST POST (-1, Offtopic)

Anonymous Coward | more than 8 years ago | (#13254603)

AC FIST POST ....

alwasy wanted to, but that was LAME

Everything must go (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 8 years ago | (#13254604)

Woah. My goodness. This means that every single one of the new features I'd heard about have now been removed from Longhorn/Vista.

Is there to be anything new at all?

first post (-1, Offtopic)

Anonymous Coward | more than 8 years ago | (#13254606)

first post?

Idea (5, Funny)

sneakers563 (759525) | more than 8 years ago | (#13254608)

You could build a pretty good operating system from all the stuff that's been pulled out out Vista. Maybe Microsoft could take all that extra stuff and come out with a "Platinum" version of Vista; call it "Longhorn" or something.

I'll get it out of the way... (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 8 years ago | (#13254611)

*Insert clever comment about how "monad" rhymes with "gonad"*

There, it is done. Are you all happy yet?

new, windows vista! (1)

tehwebguy (860335) | more than 8 years ago | (#13254613)

with great features including:
-grey start menu
-transparent windows

Re:new, windows vista! (1)

MightyMartian (840721) | more than 8 years ago | (#13254739)

with great features including:
-grey start menu
-transparent windows

Maybe they should rename the next release Windows Something or Windows Maybe. How about Windows Almost?

MS view of security (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 8 years ago | (#13254616)

This makes sense since servers don't really need much security. Hackers around the world rejoice!

We get the point... (5, Funny)

ItsJustLilOldMe (849627) | more than 8 years ago | (#13254619)

"it will be included on a major server operating system for servers

Welcome to the department of redundancy department...

Better Idea: Remove Windows from Winodws (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 8 years ago | (#13254620)

Removing a feature because of a virus threat? They should just remove windows from windows.

And it will be the most secure version of Windows ever.

If MS starts removing components... (1)

jarich (733129) | more than 8 years ago | (#13254622)

If MS starts removing components that have the potential to be exploited by a virus, does that mean that IE has be removed too? ;) I guess the next version of Windows will be Dos!

Ladies and Gentlemen (1)

sheppos (633308) | more than 8 years ago | (#13254628)

Microsoft would like to announce Windows XP SP3 - AKA Vista.

Re:Ladies and Gentlemen (1)

Aadain2001 (684036) | more than 8 years ago | (#13254762)

You know, that's pretty much what they are releasing at this point. I'm mean, seriously, what 'features' are left???? At this point Vista seems to be nothing but a giant security/bug fix upgrade from XP!

No, really! (1)

Mr. Underbridge (666784) | more than 8 years ago | (#13254837)

You know, that's pretty much what they are releasing at this point. I'm mean, seriously, what 'features' are left???? At this point Vista seems to be nothing but a giant security/bug fix upgrade from XP!

That's what I've been thinking - and other than Avalon their touted graphics engine, I can't think of a damned thing. Nothing. Does anyone know, what's actually in it?

Dear God MORON... (4, Informative)

Manip (656104) | more than 8 years ago | (#13254632)

Mohad was NOT in Vista before all this sudo-virus junk appeared. It was taken out MONTHS ago! Microsoft have been saying for MONTHS that it will not appear in Vista but WILL appear in Longhorn Server.

Now some attention seekers claim they created a virus, which is no more powerful than anything you could currently do in VBScript and gets headlines. Now you link to a blog that says "There is no virus threat [TRUE!] and Mohad will not be in Vista [TRUE]" and conclude that A == B?! Dear god you people!

Re:Dear God MORON... (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 8 years ago | (#13254768)

Your "H" and "N" keys are switched [TRUE!]

Re:Dear God MORON... (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 8 years ago | (#13254792)

Totally agree, though I fail to recall WHEN they declared that about Monad.

that is good (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 8 years ago | (#13254633)

they should exclude Internet explorer too, or maybe they should exclude the whole product, for security reasons.

Odd, even for MS (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 8 years ago | (#13254635)

wow, thats smart - and not over-reactive...

So what they are saying is... (1)

LoganAvatar (869001) | more than 8 years ago | (#13254639)

That all anyone has to do is post a "proof of concept" exploit, and instead of fixing it like most other corporations would, they will just remove it?

Where is the DRM "proof of concept" exploit?

Re:So what they are saying is... (1)

Dachannien (617929) | more than 8 years ago | (#13254784)

The exploit is that Microsoft is able to force DRM upon the public, some of which don't want it, and the rest of which don't even know what it is... yet.

I get it now... Vista is Zen (1)

Junior J. Junior III (192702) | more than 8 years ago | (#13254644)

People will be arrested for distributing Vista Binaries when they DON'T run p2p applications on their computers.

I have become enlightened.

Not the reason not in Vista (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 8 years ago | (#13254654)

They just can't admit to yet another feature trim. This so called exploit was just a batch file virus. There was no exploit. The scripts couldn't bypass security and was no worse than someone running an untrusted shell script as root. In fact, they go on to say it will be in longhorn server! How bad can it be? I think monad is just one of the great new features that WON'T be in their great new OS. It seems Vista's only new features will be DRM and using shaders for the crappy visuals instead of blitters for the crappy visuals. I'll stick with 2003, thank you. MS better give me a compelling reasion to switch.

Worth it? (1)

njen (859685) | more than 8 years ago | (#13254655)

So is it going to be worth shelling out $100+ for a new OS from Microsoft, that the only new feature it will have is a fancy interface?

Re:Worth it? (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 8 years ago | (#13254809)

well, it's not the people who update they want to rob. Have you ever been to stores trying to buy a new computer without Windows preinstalled? They're pretty hard to find I tell you.

Because of this, Vista will probably do pretty well. After all, XP did and Vista is XP with the service packs installed.

So M$ had a Monad removed? (1, Funny)

Anonymous Coward | more than 8 years ago | (#13254659)

Expect Vista in the next Tour de France.

Way to go (1)

springbox (853816) | more than 8 years ago | (#13254666)

I looked at the article that reported this so called virus earlier and all I have to say is it has been blown out of proportion. I had guessed that whoever wrote the "virus" hasn't had much exposure to other shells like BASH because writing a simple BASH script to destroy files is trivial.

The only way that these shells, which give a lot of flexibility and power to their users, are going to work is if there is a decent permission system to keep the bad scripts from doing any real damage. If they haven't done anything radical to expose users to the concept of file permissions then it was probably a smart decision on their part.

At the same time, I'm disappointed that they haven't tried to avocate the proper use of permissions as in "See? If you use the NT permissions to segergate your files then it wouldn't be a problem in the first place."

Re:Way to go (1)

PCM2 (4486) | more than 8 years ago | (#13254804)

At the same time, I'm disappointed that they haven't tried to avocate the proper use of permissions as in "See? If you use the NT permissions to segergate your files then it wouldn't be a problem in the first place."
What's the use of assigning proper permissions if every user has Admin privileges anyway? But maybe that's part of what you're talking about...

Re:Way to go (1)

springbox (853816) | more than 8 years ago | (#13254824)

If they decided to advocate the use of permissions I would just assume that they'd also take steps to get users to stop running as the Admin too

monads (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 8 years ago | (#13254669)

Monad's supposed to make it more like Unix, now they remove the monads to make it a eunuch?

Just what we needed (5, Funny)

thirty2bit (685528) | more than 8 years ago | (#13254681)

Quick - somebody find vulnerabilities in the WPA and DRM modules. Bonus if you find buffer overflows in the "make Windows unstable" DLLs.

Windows will never be free of viruses (2, Funny)

Gyarados (893032) | more than 8 years ago | (#13254683)

We're told that yet another feature won't be present in Windows Vista by someone who seems to think that there won't ever be a virus capable of penetrating Vista's "security". These Microsoft guys crack me up!

...What do you mean he wasn't joking?

Blah (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 8 years ago | (#13254688)

gotta love that pro-windows bias here on slashdot. lol. in reading the article there was no mention that Monad was ever going to be in Vista in the first place. we already knew it wouldn't be there. so now all we have is yet another anti-Vista rant.

so.. in other words...nothing to see here.

not that im pro-windows its just you get sick of this after the 20th time. how bout we wait for the actual RELEASE before we say how stupid/featureless Vista is? i mean, we wait for books, games, and everything else to voice our authoritative reviews on how bad something else. why not OS's?

Divisible (1)

ElYonderboy (714510) | more than 8 years ago | (#13254696)

I guess they decided the Monad could be broken up into smaller, more destructive pieces. Someone alert Isaac Newton.

While they are at it... (1)

UnixRawks (705739) | more than 8 years ago | (#13254709)

Please change the name from MONAD to something else such as WENIS or VESTICLE or something more hard (no pun intended) to make fun of.

Re:While they are at it... (1)

Dunbal (464142) | more than 8 years ago | (#13254769)

Please change the name from MONAD to something else such as WENIS or VESTICLE or something more hard (no pun intended) to make fun of.

This is obligatory...(missing option)

VREAST?

old news isn't it (1)

Locutus (9039) | more than 8 years ago | (#13254712)

I thought it was already pulled a few weeks ago because they couldn't have it ready in time. Now they are saying they are pulling it because there are hacks against it??? Geesh.

Windows who? IMO

LoB

The summary couldn't have been more inaccurate! (5, Informative)

xiphoris (839465) | more than 8 years ago | (#13254715)

A clue should've been the title of the article linked to [technet.com] : "A virus for Windows Vista? Wrong."

From TFA:
"First of all, in examining the details of the reports, there is no Windows Vista virus described in them. ...The viruses do not attempt to exploit a software vulnerability and do not encompass a new method of attack."

If one had read either of the two articles linked, one would realize that the so-called "viruses" are nothing more than malicious scripts. No software hole is exploited; the viruses are no more dangerous than any arbitrary piece of code running on your system.

They are not viruses; they only have the privileges that a user gives them. They're the same as any other executable file.

If a stranger sends you an executable, be it a script or a compiled program, and you run it, you're already in trouble. These scripts are nothing special.

Did the article author even read what he was submitting? The author states, "because of the possible virus threat that targets Monad the shell will not be included in Windows Vista", which could not be more deliberately misleading, and is contracted by both articles he links to!

I guess they've really castrated it now... (2, Interesting)

Zocalo (252965) | more than 8 years ago | (#13254731)

All of the promised new and potentially interesting "pillars" of Longhorn/Vista have been snipped, and now they have cut the promised wonder-shell from the consumer version too? The only thing left that Vista now seems to offer over XP is a new interface theme and the probabilty that you will also need a new PC in order to meet it's realistic hardware requirements. I could get all of that right now without the hardware upgrade using any of several Windows desktop "enhancement" tools. Oh, and IE7, which will also be available for XP anyway for those who haven't already switched over to Firefox or Opera. Seriously, is there *anything* else in Windows Vista that I might actually want to upgrade for?

Is this really the best response that Microsoft can come up with at a time when there is so much increased dissatisfaction with their endless upgrade cycle? If it is, then the F/OSS communities should probably increase their efforts to target the corporate desktop, because Microsoft doesn't appear to have anything of substance for several years! I'll bet Steve Jobs is laughing too; he's certainly picked the right time to go through the traumas of switching architecture.

Um...old news... (1)

Chanc_Gorkon (94133) | more than 8 years ago | (#13254738)

Monad was not going to be shipped with Vista since the announcement of Vista. Read something about it on PCMagazine.com.

Also, this [pcmag.com] story also states the same thing.

Also, it's not the shell that is insecure....it's the fact that most Windows users are still, to this day, forced to run as administrator to run some random programs that you shouldn't need Admin rights for either. Also, these same users do not know better and also whine when they have to type in a password. You can't change behavior that has been bred in by many years of use of a insecure OS that was insecure by design.

Percentages... (1)

sendai2ci (629417) | more than 8 years ago | (#13254740)

What percentage of the currently active and spreading Windows worms and viruses use the current Windows Shell to propogate and as the initial point of entry into the system? Isn't it premature to pull a 'feature' due to a proof-of-concept on a pre-release...

If only Microsoft used this policy with all their other 'features', Windows might actually be fast and useable...

Worst. Slashdot summary. Ever. (3, Informative)

mcc (14761) | more than 8 years ago | (#13254754)

Or at least the worst in several years. The blurb says basically the exact opposite of what the link says. May I suggest one of the /. editors add a little "update: the above is wrong in every way" to the end?

Tally for our Home Audience: (1)

Tavor (845700) | more than 8 years ago | (#13254766)

Windows Long^H^H^H Vista
- Monad CLI
- WinFS
+ Monitor HDMI DRM
+ Hardware DRM
? WPF (Ported to XP/2003)
? WCF (Ported to XP/2003)
? WinFX (Ported to XP/2003)

(*Question marks are ment as a "Why would someone upgrade when they can get this for the current OS?)

So... we see Microsoft's true intention with Vista. DRM.

Are you sure Microsoft removed it? (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 8 years ago | (#13254775)

Maybe it just got deleted by the virus....

An announcement from Fedora (4, Funny)

ChiralSoftware (743411) | more than 8 years ago | (#13254777)

"/bin/sh has been associated with security problems in the Unix world since the early 70s. Most Unix/Linux security situations arise when an unauthorized user gets access to the /bin/sh process. Fedora Core 5, due out in October, will not include this dangerous executable. Instead users will control the system through the advanced Gnome windowing system and will be able to develop object-oriented network-transparent applications in the MONO framework."

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mobile search [mwtj.com]

I thought... (1)

Boap (559344) | more than 8 years ago | (#13254782)

I remember a few years ago that Microsoft had anounced that Win 2003/XP was the last time the server and desktop products were going to be two distinct products and now we learn that this is not the case where there is going to be a Vista Desktop and a Longhorn Server.

tsk.. tsk.. /. (1)

ZeroExistenZ (721849) | more than 8 years ago | (#13254790)

So this morning everyone enjoyed bashing M$ for their yet again voulnerable software. Even thought 'the virus' was just a script which, as in every shell, could do some damage.

Now M$ reacts in the most secure way and takes more time to make sure it's really idiot proof, and investigate how to make it actually safe the /.-crowd is bashing some more as M$ would be incompetent and slacking.

I don't like M$ either, but it's a bit disturbing that an otherwise rather intelligent crowd just goes into uncontrollable bashing mode on the mere mention of Microsoft, like a poodle on a bitch in heat. Basically, the bashers right now are opposing those bashing this morning.

Re:tsk.. tsk.. /. (2, Informative)

MightyMartian (840721) | more than 8 years ago | (#13254832)

The problem here is that NT has lacked a decent shell with scripting capabilities since the very beginning. The joke is that *nix has had them for decades, but in the 21st century, MS still can't do it.

10 great windows vista features (4, Funny)

gullevek (174152) | more than 8 years ago | (#13254791)

walked around the park.
One was WinFS and fell into a hole.

9 little windows Vista features walked around the park. The new shell slipped and fell into the pool and drowned.

8 little windows vista features walked around the park. DRM bully came and whacked them all dead.

No new Windows Vista features were left alive, so Microsoft put some new colors in and everybody bought it.

Re:10 great windows vista features (1)

WillAffleckUW (858324) | more than 8 years ago | (#13254833)

8 little windows vista features walked around the park. DRM bully came and whacked them all dead.

No new Windows Vista features were left alive, so Microsoft put some new colors in and everybody bought it.


And then, out of the memory hole came the good IE fairy, and she said "Look, script kiddies, IE cookies and script holes for everyone!"

And everyone was happy, until their computers crashed the very next day.

Same for IE? (1)

Markus Registrada (642224) | more than 8 years ago | (#13254802)

If they're leaving out everything exploitable, how can they ship it with IE?

Or, is this their way of telegraphing that we should consider IE no longer exploitable, because they haven't pulled it?

Probably somebody was making fun of them for putting in a command line just to catch up with the Unixy crowd.

... super (1)

Moustache N Tits (828608) | more than 8 years ago | (#13254826)

... I have to use Windows XP because of my job. I'd love to go *nix, but out business plan (being a MS software developer) wouldn't exactly fly. So I HAVE to use it (violen playing here). The ONLY good thing about Longhorn I've seen so far was the Monad shell (tested it out a little last year when the beta was first released). I also have to use Visual Studio. These two things are the only programs that MS seems to do right (ok, I don't really think that, but I figured I should put SOME anti-MS stuff in here, it *is /. after all). Why... why MS, why!?!? Is it impossible to FIX the software (begin wise-a$$ jokes here).

Because of virus threat? (1)

alienfluid (677872) | more than 8 years ago | (#13254835)

Once again, another angry, MS-hating, troll-liking Slashdot poster makes up his/her own story - that MONAD will not be included in Vista because of virus threat mentioned on Slashdot. Nothing could be further from the truth. On RTFA, nowhere does it mention the so-called "reason" for not including it in Vista - the simple fact of the matter is - it's not ready yet! Say what you have to say, the poster just wants a kick out of baseless, worthless and utterly mindless comments.

Is Longhorn going to be Service Pack 3 for XP? (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 8 years ago | (#13254841)

So what will we be getting now?
Many of the jaw dropping features of Windows Vista have been removed. Many of the features now left Microsoft has stated they will back into Windows XP. So is long horn simply going to be Windows XP Service Pack3 ?

So much for the revolution being promised. Longhorn looks like its shapping up to be what Windows 98 was to Windows 95, only taking double the amount of time.

On the other hand, Microsoft's not stupid. They don't waste years, so I wounder how much under the hood has changed and exactly how much will be back ported to Windows XP.
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