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Extra Daylight Savings May Confuse the Gadgets

timothy posted more than 9 years ago | from the abolish-daylight-savings-time dept.

United States 933

CrimeDoggy writes "In the energy bill to be signed by the President today (August 8), changes are to be made that extend daylight savings time. The bill would start daylight time three weeks earlier and end it a week later as an energy-saving measure. Many devices such as VCRs, cell phones, and watches would still operate on the previous schedule, potentially causing problems."

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Time for a change... (3, Insightful)

TripMaster Monkey (862126) | more than 9 years ago | (#13271759)


Super. It's about time we monkey with the way we reckon time again...after all, we had almost gotten used to the current insane standard.

I would propose a rather radically different option...eliminate time zones in the U.S. altogether. That's right, no time zones at all...everyone can just use GMT. I'm not advocating that everyone go to work at 09:00 GMT...business can determine what hours they want their employees to work, based on the amount of daylight available at that particular time of year, but the time standard would be the same everywhere. That way, there would be none of this bullshit confusion about 'what time is that here', or 'what is the time there'. It's GMT. The same damned time everywhere.

We're already a global community...it only makes sense to adopt a global time. Of course, asking the country that still uses Imperial measurement units to spearhead this change might be asking a bit much...

Re:Time for a change... (2, Funny)

Anonymous Coward | more than 9 years ago | (#13271811)

This would help so much. Just have internal time be in seconds, globally. Then just define days as XXXXXX-XXXXXX.

Re:Time for a change... (-1, Flamebait)

Anonymous Coward | more than 9 years ago | (#13271814)

Asking america to spearhead anything that isn't 100% in its best interests is asking a bit much.

Re:Time for a change... (1)

dotdan (902253) | more than 9 years ago | (#13271825)

I agree, so what if I take a vacation to California and it's light out at 9PM there? The jet lag is usually bad enough where it doesn't matter.

Re:Time for a change... (4, Interesting)

Peyna (14792) | more than 9 years ago | (#13271854)

Swatch started such an initiative a couple years ago.

Internet Time [wikipedia.org]

Re:Time for a change... (1)

Digital Vomit (891734) | more than 9 years ago | (#13271917)

The last thing we need to do is switch to a standard that includes terms prefixed with a period.

Re:Time for a change... (2, Funny)

Otter (3800) | more than 9 years ago | (#13271926)

I took a marketing class last fall where the case study book had (along with several other can't-miss late '90s schemes, including Alloy.com and Onsale.com) a case on Swatch Internet Time. It's aged about as well as the rest of the Swatch brand has...

Re:Time for a change... (2)

Doom bucket (888726) | more than 9 years ago | (#13271869)

Ok, so our culture is to ingrained in the American system of meausrement to change. I can accept that. We can't change the side of the road we drive on because the infastructure is already in place. And we'd again, have to teach millions how to relearn how to drive. But explain to me the significance of daylight savings time. I mean really.

Re:Time for a change... (4, Insightful)

wazootyman (555696) | more than 9 years ago | (#13271874)

But what happens when I'm in Michigan and need to call a client in California? It's still relevant that 9 am here is 6 am there. If you eliminate time zones, you'll still have to adjust your schedule based on the fact that their day is about 3 hours behind yours.

We already use a global time in a sense; time zones make GMT into a format that's easier to understand. Knowing that it's 05:00 GMT doesn't necessarily tell you whether you're going to be calling a person in the middle of the night or not.

There is no problem... (2, Insightful)

Anonymous Coward | more than 9 years ago | (#13271883)

Some US states have no DST, yet these devices work fine in them, why because you can turn off auto-DST and manage time manually.

Re:Time for a change... (4, Funny)

SlayerofGods (682938) | more than 9 years ago | (#13271885)

And while on the topic... who thought up this crazy 60 seconds in a minute, 60 minutes in an hour, and 24 hours in a day.
We need metric time damn it!

Re:Time for a change... (1)

The Warlock (701535) | more than 9 years ago | (#13271974)

The Babelonians. I am not making this up.

Re:Time for a change... (2, Interesting)

Nos. (179609) | more than 9 years ago | (#13271900)

Move somewhere that doesn't use DST. I live in Saskatchewan (Canada). The time here is GMT -06:00, all year round.

Re:Time for a change... (0, Troll)

jZnat (793348) | more than 9 years ago | (#13271933)

Here we go again...

*insert the typical "Time of day is relative to the sun's relative position to your area" and "noon is supposed to be when the sun is overhead" and "work schedules would be confusing" and "knowing when things like breakfast, lunch, dinner, etc. are would be confusing" and "business hours would be erratic" et al.*

Re:Time for a change... (2, Insightful)

Peyna (14792) | more than 9 years ago | (#13271943)

.business can determine what hours they want their employees to work, based on the amount of daylight available at that particular time of year, but the time standard would be the same everywhere. That way, there would be none of this bullshit confusion about 'what time is that here', or 'what is the time there'. It's GMT. The same damned time everywhere.

Of course, this also creates a similar problem, it just shifts it to a different area.

Instead of "what is it there"? The question becomes "What time do you start work over there?" "What time do you wake up over there?"

So you still have to remember the same information, except there's less standardization aside from being able to say "Meet me at 10:00" and everyone can look at their watch and understand it to mean the same thing no matter where they are.

So we'll all have the same time on our watches, but we'll be doing whatever we want whenever we want and coordination would become even more confusing.

Re:Time for a change... (1, Interesting)

Anonymous Coward | more than 9 years ago | (#13271945)

That doesn't change a thing. Today primetime television starts at the same time everywhere, not because it's the same number on the clock but it's the same time of day. If everyone observed GMT, then primetime would start at different hours on the east coast, central and west coast. Everything would be at different times, of course. Someone in NY wouldn't know if it is ok to call someone in LA at 0:00 any more than he knows know if it's ok to call at 8pm. Around the world different things happen at the same time. You'd also still have a rather arbitrary date border where time would change by 24 hours just because you crossed an invisible line in the ocean.

The one thing which I am strongly in favor of is to put an end to daylight savings time. That is an entirely unnecessary and provably not energy conserving complexity which sounded like a nice idea but isn't.

Re:Time for a change... (1)

Peyna (14792) | more than 9 years ago | (#13271984)

The one thing which I am strongly in favor of is to put an end to daylight savings time. That is an entirely unnecessary and provably not energy conserving complexity which sounded like a nice idea but isn't.

Or, instead of getting rid of it, just make it permanent time zone switch. I kind of like that it is light out until 9:30pm in the summer, and morning daylight is wasted on most people anyway.

Re:Time for a change... (1)

JReam (181622) | more than 9 years ago | (#13271956)

PLEASE mod Parent up "+5: Obliterate the 'sensibilities' of our current administration!"

I offer you my consulting services. (5, Funny)

conner_bw (120497) | more than 9 years ago | (#13271768)

Hi, I'm a COBOL programmer who was making $250,000 a year in 1999 but, sadly, have been unable to find work since.

If you need me to reprogram your VCR I offer you my services.

My track record is impeccable, nothing happened in Y2K and I can honestly say that it was thanks to me. The havoc your VCR can wreck on the world economy is not worth the risk... Stop the apocalypse! Hire me.

Re:I offer you my consulting services. (4, Funny)

rovingeyes (575063) | more than 9 years ago | (#13271865)

"Stop the apocalypse! Hire me"

Scare tactics always work in US. Tell them, doom is near and people will do anything, even hire you ;)!

Re:I offer you my consulting services. (2, Funny)

pete6677 (681676) | more than 9 years ago | (#13271961)

For best results, tell them to do it to protect the children from terrorists.

Re:I offer you my consulting services. (1)

interiot (50685) | more than 9 years ago | (#13271937)

Slashcode needs to implement a new category, "Super-duper friend [slashdot.org] " with a +3 bonus, just for people like you.

WooHoo!!! (1)

Slayback (12197) | more than 9 years ago | (#13271774)

Overtime for all to prevent the coming armageddon!

First Prime Factorization Post (1, Troll)

2*2*3*75011 (900132) | more than 9 years ago | (#13271775)

August 8 = August 2*2*2

Nothing to see here. Please move along. (1)

RangerRick98 (817838) | more than 9 years ago | (#13271776)

The change has already affected /.! The front page said the story was posted, but the story itself thought it wasn't! This is just the beginning of the chaos this change will inflict!!!

Re:Nothing to see here. Please move along. (1)

daviq (888445) | more than 9 years ago | (#13271838)

All the Computers in the world are crashing...ahhhhhh! Wait...mine hasn't:).

Moral travesty (5, Insightful)

fruity_pebbles (568822) | more than 9 years ago | (#13271779)

Daylight savings time is an idiotic solution to a non-existent problem.

(Yes, that's an opinion. Feel free to disagree.)

Re:Moral travesty (1)

Ziviyr (95582) | more than 9 years ago | (#13271844)

I lean towards setting the clock half way to it's next leap and leaving it there.

This shifting back and forth schtick is inane at best.

Re:Moral travesty (4, Funny)

js3 (319268) | more than 9 years ago | (#13271894)

It takes a big man to admit daylight savings time is idiotic but I am not a big man.

Re:Moral travesty (0, Flamebait)

ziggedy (242043) | more than 9 years ago | (#13271940)

Daylight savings time is a solution? I just thought it was a way that Benjamin Franklin could leave a legacy of pain (he came up with the idea i think?). For all Franklin has done for us, I will still kick him in the nuts when I see him in hell for this one!

And now our intelegent government decides it will save us power if we extend it? How about solving the lack of power problem? How about funding alternative energy research?

What does this mean for canada? does this mean for 4 weeks of the year America will be in a completely different time standard from mexico/canada? That just shows how retarded this is...

DVD firmware upgrade (1)

anandpur (303114) | more than 9 years ago | (#13271781)

Is'nt this the right time to flash DVD player with OSS firmware?

Awful idea. (1, Insightful)

hoborocks (775911) | more than 9 years ago | (#13271784)

This is so short-sighted it's not even funny. Coming into effect in 2007, as the article states...does anyone actually think that that's enough time to update everything that depends on human time?

I'm all in favor of changing things around, sure...but in under a year? More like 8 months? That's not nearly enough time to switch our major infrastructure over to use the new daylight time.

Re:Awful idea. (1)

Peyna (14792) | more than 9 years ago | (#13271801)

Most things nowadays are set to GMT; the only thing that DST affects is what is displayed to the end-user.

Re:Awful idea. (1)

hoborocks (775911) | more than 9 years ago | (#13271820)

Sorry, but how does this matter? Affecting end users will affect the people that run the systems, which will affect how the systems are run...

Re:Awful idea. (5, Funny)

Anonymous Coward | more than 9 years ago | (#13271849)

"I use my mod points to rank down people who point out dupes."

Good for you. We all appreciate your proactive stance for mediocrity.

Re:Awful idea. (1)

tgd (2822) | more than 9 years ago | (#13271965)

You do realize daylight savings time changes on different days in every country? That parts of the US don't even have it?

Hardware and software already deal with the problem. It'll be a minor patch to system libraries to solve the problem for software. It already has to ask "what day is it, and where are you" to figure out when and if to apply DST changes.

This is one more if statement when your locale is in the US.

And most hardware doesn't really understand DST. I've never seen a VCR that did. Why would someone sell a VCR that can't be sold anywhere but the US?

Raise your hand! (2, Insightful)

Zediker (885207) | more than 9 years ago | (#13271786)

Who else thinks this is a phenominally stupid idea! If anything we should just get rid of Daylight savings, it costs us tons of money each year to be out of sync with the rest of the world.

Re:Raise your hand! (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 9 years ago | (#13271833)

The only stupid idea is the thought that the US is the only country that observes DST.

Jetlag Dave here... (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 9 years ago | (#13271918)

If I EVER meet Ben Fucking Franklin, I will kick his ASS!!!

Does Bush's watch... (0, Flamebait)

Skiron (735617) | more than 9 years ago | (#13271793)

...have Mickey and Minnie mouse as hands? I mean, it could sway the decision here.

Woo, who cares? (1)

garcia (6573) | more than 9 years ago | (#13271797)

Blah. You mean that people might have to learn to use the most basic features of the devices they own? Gosh, golly, gee, no!

If anything, the tech sector will love it... People that are *so* annoyed by having to manually change their times *twice* for each switchover will be happy to upgrade to a newer unit that doesn't cause such a horrible thing to occur.

The rest of us will either do the difficult subtraction/addition in our heads until the device fixees itself three weeks later or will just do it ourselves.

Time sensitive data? (1)

MrJynxx (902913) | more than 9 years ago | (#13271800)

This is going to be a nightmare for transmissions between the US and Canada if Canada does not follow. Everything will have to change to accomadate this timezone change.. Probaly going to waste more resources dealing with this.. SHIZA!! MrJynx

Artifact? (2, Funny)

markmcb (855750) | more than 9 years ago | (#13271802)

What is this "VCR" you speak of?

BFD (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 9 years ago | (#13271803)

Oh no! I can't tape the "Mr. Belvedere" marathon! Western civilization as we know it will end!

Re:BFD (1)

tthomas48 (180798) | more than 9 years ago | (#13271872)

Oh no, I can't buy anthing at amazon.com because everytime I try to login it tells me my session has already expired for being inactive for 60 minutes. BFD indeed.

Re:BFD (1)

EEBaum (520514) | more than 9 years ago | (#13271924)

Well, I have my fallout shelter ready.

demand (1)

WhiZa (875583) | more than 9 years ago | (#13271806)

I predict an increase in demand for VCR chronometer repair

Time in the Day = Save Energy? (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 9 years ago | (#13271807)

Time in the Day = Save Energy?

Would somebody like to explain this to me?

Are we saving a negligible ammount of energy here?

Theorhetically yes (1)

BlackCobra43 (596714) | more than 9 years ago | (#13271887)

By allowing companies to make the most use of daylight hours during which they do not need to light their facilities as much.
In reality? No clue.

Look on the bright side (5, Funny)

drwiii (434) | more than 9 years ago | (#13271812)

You'll have another hour to fix it.

Thank goodness... (1)

tthomas48 (180798) | more than 9 years ago | (#13271817)

I'm so glad the current admininstration has decided on patriarchy. We wouldn't want to have input on our government.
Just so you know I'm not just a complainer, I did send a letter to my congress people. They sent me back form letters telling me that they agreed that becoming less dependent on foreign oil was important and were glad I supported their position. It's fun having non-representative democracy.

Please just drop it. (4, Informative)

Phs2501 (559902) | more than 9 years ago | (#13271819)

Hopefully this will cause more states to take the good example of Arizona and just do away with the daylight savings sillyness altogether.

Re:Please just drop it. (2, Insightful)

cruff (171569) | more than 9 years ago | (#13271891)

I agree. It seems to me that no additional energy will be saved by this stupidity, it will just shift the period in the day when it is used.

I Understand This! (1)

Evil W1zard (832703) | more than 9 years ago | (#13271822)

Bush hopes to save an enormous amount of energy by doing this! This measure will help his old buddies in the Texas penal system to cut costs on electricity used during executions now that they wont have to run the lights at the same time the chair is put in extra crispy mode!

uh (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 9 years ago | (#13271824)

Can't americans just drive cars that get 9 miles to the gallon instead of 8. Surely that would have as much effect as fucking around with clocks and when the hour changes.

first things first... (1)

enrico_suave (179651) | more than 9 years ago | (#13271827)

patch the TiVo and PC PVR...

My microwave can be an hour off for eternity, but if I miss that INXS/hulk hogan/tommy lee reality show, heads are gonna roll!

e.

Not just gadgets (1)

RetroGeek (206522) | more than 9 years ago | (#13271829)

Any database which is national or inter-national in scope (and is set up properly), stores its dates/times in GMT, then converts to the user's time zone.

All of these also need to be changed.

I smell $$ :-)

Of all the things in the Energy Bill (4, Insightful)

bgfay (5362) | more than 9 years ago | (#13271830)

It seems that this is the one that people are concentrating on. Nutty stuff, really. I keep thinking about how we're killing the environment, that we can't get our President to even mention the word conservation, that we are making little to no progress toward using alternative energy sources, and on and on. But the fact that my cell phone might get confused by the new Daylight Savings Time is what we're hearing about not just on /. but on all sorts of other media outlets.

Alright, so I'm going off on this. I understand that /. is news for nerds and tech oriented. This story fits that. I'm not saying that this story doesn't belong on /. (Got that?)

What I'm trying to say is that somehow this is the BIG idea in the energy bill as it is being reported and it doesn't deserve that status.

The Energy bill is a mess the likes of which haven't been seen since the Patriot Act. That's where the focus needs to be.

Oh well.

Re:Of all the things in the Energy Bill (1)

M-G (44998) | more than 9 years ago | (#13271934)

Well, the conspiracy theorist in me says that the DST changes were made to in order to garner the headlines, and help hide the fact that the 'energy bill' does little besides give profitable oil companies extra tax credits.

Re:Of all the things in the Energy Bill (1)

BrianRoach (614397) | more than 9 years ago | (#13271963)

If one regularly sported a tinfoil hat (I don't, but I have to say they are starting to look attractive...), you might think that this is EXACTLY what the president wanted.

Blow a stupid little thing out of proportion (in the media and general public) that really has no impact except to make people *manually set a clock back or forward* (Much like how I currently do with our "real" clocks in the house) to distract people from looking at the POS legislation that's getting passed under their noses.

- Roach

Re:Of all the things in the Energy Bill (1)

goldspider (445116) | more than 9 years ago | (#13271973)

The energy bill includes tax incentives for buying energy-efficient devices and appliances, as well as for fuel-efficient vehicles.

Oh that devious, evil George Dubbya Bu$hitler! What will he think of next?

Re:Of all the things in the Energy Bill (2, Insightful)

garcia (6573) | more than 9 years ago | (#13271976)

The Energy bill is a mess the likes of which haven't been seen since the Patriot Act. That's where the focus needs to be.

People only care about the here and now (I'm one of them although I don't care about how this might screw up my computer automatically correcting for CDT and CST).

Global Warming is something that cooks and liberals care about and it doesn't affect anyone in the next two days so it doesn't matter. What's on TV is what matters to people right now.

As long as the media and the Government can divert people's attention with stupid bullshit like their mobile phones and VCRs (remember anything that interferes with Survivor, The Bachelor/ette, and/or any other stupid reality TV show is far more important than anything else).

Politicians? (2, Insightful)

daed350 (904402) | more than 9 years ago | (#13271837)

Shouldn't the whole physics and time measurements be regulated by a scientific body rather than a group of political morons? Maybe I'm crazy.

Living in AZ (3, Interesting)

DigiWood (311681) | more than 9 years ago | (#13271840)

...I don't have to bother with daylight savings. The heat sucks but hey it's a tradeoff.

Why? (3, Insightful)

Glendale2x (210533) | more than 9 years ago | (#13271845)

I'm still waiting for someone to point out a really good reason why we need DST. All it does is irritate me having to deal with resetting clocks.

Furthermore, what the hell does this have to do with energy conservation? I'm still going to turn the fracking lights on when it gets dark; I don't look at the clock and go "hey, it's 7, time to turn on all the lights."

does canada have to follow this? (1)

js3 (319268) | more than 9 years ago | (#13271846)

Does canada have to go along with this Daylight stupidity? The current one seems just fine to me.

Re:does canada have to follow this? (1)

Kiaser Wilhelm II (902309) | more than 9 years ago | (#13271980)

It will probably be slipped in the next revision of NAFTA.

Enjoy!

Why? (1)

Crashmaster007 (869327) | more than 9 years ago | (#13271848)

Tell me again why we really need this change. Daylight savings time was fine the way it was, heck if anything get rid of it, would make my life easier. It wont make a positive change to anything, it will only make things worse, with changing VCR tims and so on. And what about automated time systems like rail systems and so on?

Damn you, BUUUUUUUSH! (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 9 years ago | (#13271856)

You broke all my toys! You BASTARD! I am *SO* not voting for you again.

Purpose? (0, Redundant)

CockblockTheVote (849450) | more than 9 years ago | (#13271857)

Can someone explain to me what purpose this is supposed to serve? What is it solving? How is this going to save energy? Is this to confuse the terra-ists?

Re:Purpose? (1)

outlineblue (472351) | more than 9 years ago | (#13271897)

This is the USA's solution to global warming. Apprently this will save something like 100 000 barrels of oil each YEAR! wow! what that, 0.00001% of yearly consumption?

Re:Purpose? (1)

CockblockTheVote (849450) | more than 9 years ago | (#13271966)

call me dumb, but i don't understand how. if it's cold, i'm still going to turn on the heat, if it's dark i'm still going to turn on the lights.

extremely bad (1)

crabpeople (720852) | more than 9 years ago | (#13271858)

"''It is unfortunately going to add a little bit of complexity to consumers," said Reid Sullivan, vice president of Panasonic Consumer Electronics Co. ''In some cases, depending on the product, they may have to manually increase or decrease the time.""

Wholly mother of god....

What Problem (1)

fastduke (694682) | more than 9 years ago | (#13271861)

My VCR just blinks 12:00 all the time? So what's the problem again?

A great big DUH (4, Insightful)

jandrese (485) | more than 9 years ago | (#13271862)

Of course stuff that is hardcoded with the old DST dates is going to have trouble. Yeah, that's a lot of gadgets. What can we do about it though? Most of those gadgets are not upgradable, so you're going to have to change the time on them twice a year now (once they figure out how to turn off the automatic DST updates).

I wish the president would have had the gumption to just extend Daylight Savings Time to all year long and ditch the date changes entirely. Nearly every device can be configured to ignore DST changes and it would have saved the world a lot of confusion each year.

Update not required (0, Flamebait)

leapis (89780) | more than 9 years ago | (#13271863)

Computers with Windows operating systems would need to obtain updates.

This is not accurate. Windows stores time zone information, including DST start and stop times, as human-readable values in the registry. Anybody who has ever used regedit.exe can tweak these values themselves.

Re:Update not required (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 9 years ago | (#13271971)

And just what, pray-tell, is supposed to change those registry entries on grandma's computer? A software update, of course.

So yes it is accurate. It just so happens to be an easy fix.

Smart gadgets (1)

spectrokid (660550) | more than 9 years ago | (#13271866)

Some VCR's can set time themselves based on teletext (Ceefax for the brits). Alarm clocks can set themselves based on a radio signal. Anything connected to the net can use NTP (or NET TIME for the 'softies :-) Frankly my life will not come to a halt if my microwave shows the wrong time 3 weeks a year. Next story?

I don't really think it's that big of a deal (1)

man_of_mr_e (217855) | more than 9 years ago | (#13271867)

So some devices won't adjust at the right time. So what? Many devices with clocks really don't need them to be THAT accurate.

Humans can adjust to the difference, or perhaps even MANUALLY change the clocks like we all did 10 years ago, and mostly still do today.

Will it be an inconvenience? Sure. Will it destroy life as we know it? Probably not.

Daylight Saving...No "S" (4, Informative)

chia_monkey (593501) | more than 9 years ago | (#13271875)

Just to clarify, it's "daylight saving" time...No "s".

Be good consumers! (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 9 years ago | (#13271878)

Folks, it's time to throw out your old gadgets and buy new ones! The fine people at Stuff Magazine are always trying to get me to update to a cellular phone that can take infra-red photos :)

"...devices such as VCRs..." now that made me laugh. What's a VCR?

And for that matter, I'll have to spend another $10 for a genuine ROLodEX watch on the streets of Manhattan to replace my aging timepiece.

Oh, whatever will we as consumers do?!

I'd like to propose national naptime (1)

ReidMaynard (161608) | more than 9 years ago | (#13271882)

cus I get tired in the afternoon

Haw Haw! (1)

I'm Spartacus! (238085) | more than 9 years ago | (#13271884)

Suckers. We here in the beautiful state of Arizona don't bother to save any daylight.

Of course, this is mainly because the idea of saving another few more hours of 100+ degrees is none too appealing. But still...

Haw haw!!!!

manually? (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 9 years ago | (#13271886)

FTFA:
"In some cases, depending on the product, they may have to manually increase or decrease the time."
Oh no, the horror, the horror.


Also, the url begins with http://www.boston.com/business/ [boston.com] Sounds like US-business throwing some FUD into the techworld.

not a problem (1)

bobalu (1921) | more than 9 years ago | (#13271889)

If you really want to make sure your program is recorded you sit there and press RECORD. Between changes in schedules, events that go overtime etc. it's not always reliable. If you want that, get a Tivo.

My watches don't know from DST in the first place. Apparently there are still some benefits of being old-school.

More importantly, Windows and OSX both get patched so frequently I can't imagine they won't be able to slip the fix in before then.

a wash (1)

cratermoon (765155) | more than 9 years ago | (#13271890)

This change is intended to save the country energy (and presumably keep energy costs lower). It's a bit of a stretch to believe it will really have any effect. Gadgets being out of sync and operating systems failing to keep accurate time will be inconvenient at best. By the time we add up the cost of writing, shipping, and installing patches or just compensating for the incorrect times, does anyone really believe we'll end up with a net savings? Won't the programmers and hardware guys who have to work extra hours to develop fixes easily eat up the supposed difference?

VCR clock (1)

I8TheWorm (645702) | more than 9 years ago | (#13271898)

Am I the only one whose VCR clock is currently flashing 12:00 anyway?

For those who haven't dealt with it before... (1)

tgd (2822) | more than 9 years ago | (#13271911)

It doesn't seem to be universally known that DST rules vary not only across the country but around the world. Starting and stopping times vary by country, and as we all ought to know there are places in the US that don't have it.

What does that mean?

This is a non-issue. Most products either don't deal with DST (VCR's, clocks, etc) or are driven by outside signals (automatically set radio clocks, TV clocks, cable boxes, cell phones), are easily updated (all computer software, which already has to ask the OS for the translation).

It'll be a rare product or a buggy program that is badly affected by the problem. This isn't Y2K all over again. Its a trivial fix for most things and won't even be broken on half the stuff the panic articles about it talk about.

Psychotic Changes. (1)

saintlupus (227599) | more than 9 years ago | (#13271912)

Think this is bad? Wait until he signs the bill to outlaw evolution.

--saint

Homer's Insight (2, Funny)

woodsrunner (746751) | more than 9 years ago | (#13271915)

8:59, First time I've ever been early for work. --except for all those daylight savings times, lousy farmers!

2K5 bug? (1)

GangstaLean (102189) | more than 9 years ago | (#13271927)

Year 2K Bug - Programming results in 2byte date code, causing chaos when first two digits of year change. Mass blackouts predicted.

Outcome - Last gasp for COBOL programmers.

Year 2K5 Bug - Legislation results in 3 week time change, causing chaos in out of sync watches, cell phones and computers. Mass mis-scheduled meetings predicted.

Outcome - You cut out of work early to play softball in the park. Boss does not notice.

unlike the rest of you... (1)

davidj0228 (543196) | more than 9 years ago | (#13271928)

i think i will enjoy my extra hour of daylight for another 4 weeks a year. I don't give a shit about daylight in the morning, only the daylight remaining after I'm done with work. It's not about energy, its about maximizing useful daylight time for most of the population.

Prediction: States Override this foolishness (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 9 years ago | (#13271929)

Some states already do not recognize DST. I predict that, in this fit of stupidity about to be signed by Dubya, there will be plenty of fed up people all around America. I don't recall there being any big mandate for it..

I think there will be many more states that decide that this is just dumb and stupid and either vote to end DST alltogether or just refuse to recognized the modified DST schedule (i.e. keep the status quo).

Why do we have to listen to the government when it comes to deciding what time of day it is?

what about.... (1)

tobi-wan-kenobi (797654) | more than 9 years ago | (#13271930)

.... that: now that we are at it, let's do the following. abandon all that nonsense SI-stuff, instead, we measure everything - the time, the space, our problems - in 'quicks', where one 'quick' is defined as the movement (or the time) the sun spends for moving around the earth once. since this takes some time, we should further divide it into 'microquicks', which is a 1,024th of a quick and into a myonquick, which is a 1,024th of a microquick. thus, a quick is either the distance or the time the sun spends orbiting around the earth once. in a perfect circle.

Just like the good old days... (1)

phpm0nkey (768038) | more than 9 years ago | (#13271951)

At least this will give us all an excuse to show up an hour late for work once a year.

"But look! My cell phone says it's 8:57! I'm early!"

Obviously a bad idea (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 9 years ago | (#13271955)

Have we not learnt from Star Trek that messing with time can only have bad results.

Daylight Saving Time... (3, Informative)

HEMI426 (715714) | more than 9 years ago | (#13271964)

...Daylight Saving Time, not Daylight Savings Time...

Shouldn't this already be a problem? (1)

Locke2005 (849178) | more than 9 years ago | (#13271969)

What do these gadgets currently do in Arizona or other places that never go on Daylight Saving Time in the first place? Personally, I think we should just say "screw it" and put everybody everywhere on GMT/UTC/Zulu time. Of course, as it is I still get calls at 4am from people in the GMT time zone that don't appear to be able to handle the concept of subtracting 8 hours from GMT To get PST (or 7 hours to get PDT).

its the economy stupid! (1)

zxnos (813588) | more than 9 years ago | (#13271983)

this is really just a way to give the economy a quick boost. now everyone needs to upgrade all of their gadgets to ones that work with the new time. :P
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