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Discussing Logitech's New Gaming Mice

CmdrTaco posted more than 9 years ago | from the click-it-until-it-dies-from-the-clicking dept.

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Paul writes "Logitech had a busy day announcing three new products designed for gamers. The company introduced the Logitech G15 keyboard, G5 and G7 G-Series gaming mice. TechSpot had a brief talk with Erik Charlton, senior product-marketing manager at Logitech, who shared a few ideas and details on Logitech's newly announced products."

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I love logitech (1, Funny)

mvizos (622166) | more than 9 years ago | (#13303647)

I will say, however. Screw flanders

Optimus (1, Interesting)

bigwavejas (678602) | more than 9 years ago | (#13303652)

Logitech definitely isn't the first company to consider a keyboard which can be used for gaming. I'm really excited about: http://www.artlebedev.com/portfolio/optimus/ [artlebedev.com]

Re:Optimus (1, Funny)

Anonymous Coward | more than 9 years ago | (#13303678)

wow, these new mice really hit the G-Spot!

/me apologizes

Re:Optimus (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 9 years ago | (#13303733)

Actually, when the Optimus was first announced, it conjoured up images of an old "Gaming Keyboard" (For lack of a better term), in which it was more like a kiosk, where you would download (or program) keyboard layouts, print them out, and insert them into the device. The idea SEEMED great (at least at the time), but actually using it was akward, not to mention it wasn't reliable enough to actually be used in games that it was designed for (like quake).

Re:Optimus (2, Insightful)

CheechBG (247105) | more than 9 years ago | (#13303747)

Screw the Logitech keyboard, I want to get my hands on this...

I REALLY hope this isn't vaporware.

Re:Optimus (1, Funny)

oneiros27 (46144) | more than 9 years ago | (#13303754)

Kick ass! I can keep track of my key bindings in Duke Nukem Forever [wired.com] !

Re:Optimus (1)

HD Webdev (247266) | more than 9 years ago | (#13304031)

Kick ass! I can keep track of my key bindings in Duke Nukem Forever [wired.com]!

YM, "Duke Nukem Whenever", HTH.

Re:Optimus (4, Funny)

JahToasted (517101) | more than 9 years ago | (#13303845)

Yeah the optimus will be great for playing Duke Nukem Forever on.

SHUT UP!!! (-1, Troll)

thryllkill (52874) | more than 9 years ago | (#13303950)

Ragga fragga frugga frack... DN4 jokes are about as funny as AYBABTU jokes.

Re:SHUT UP!!! (1, Funny)

Anonymous Coward | more than 9 years ago | (#13304021)

All your keyboards are belong to us.

As someone who uses multiple languages... (1)

FreeUser (11483) | more than 9 years ago | (#13304256)

Logitech definitely isn't the first company to consider a keyboard which can be used for gaming. I'm really excited about: http://www.artlebedev.com/portfolio/optimus/ [artlebedev.com]

Now THAT looks cool! As someone who uses multiple languages (English, German, a bit of French) and has to keep a piece of paper with keycodes attached when entering numbers in sexagesimal [jean.nu] truetype fonts [jean.nu] in openoffice, this keyboard would be perfect. Please say there will be ways to program the layout AND key displays under GNU/Linux. The help when using sexagesimal would be worth it alone!

Re:Optimus (0, Redundant)

Peartree (199737) | more than 9 years ago | (#13304310)

the Optimus is going to be bad ass

Images here (5, Informative)

plover (150551) | more than 9 years ago | (#13303655)

The story of a keyboard is fine, but pictures are worth more. See the G15 keyboard here. [logitech.com]

Re:Images here (1)

Spades_ (175131) | more than 9 years ago | (#13303720)

Here's a link to the rest of the product line:

http://www.logitech.com/index.cfm/products/product list/US/EN,crid=2287&categoryid=10 [logitech.com]

Re:Images here (2, Interesting)

Skye16 (685048) | more than 9 years ago | (#13303776)

As an aside, but, the new logitech mice with the sensitivity switching SUCK!

I game an awful lot, and I've gotten used to not using them. I'm sure they may help some users, but I don't _truly_ see the need. What I WOULD like, however, is to map those extra buttons into something else. I have an MX518 and the fact that I have 3 extra buttons that I can't use for anything just irritates me.

Would it be so hard for them to give me the option to disable that stuff entirely and map those buttons as Mouse 6, 7, and 8? THAT is something I would love. Hell, I'd probably buy a second one, just to show them how much I love them.

Re:Images here (1, Informative)

kccricket (217833) | more than 9 years ago | (#13304060)

The extra buttons on my MX510 work just fine for whatever I want them to in most native Linux games. There's a guide on Linux-Gamers.net [linux-gamers.net] that worked for me.

Re:Images here (1)

James_Aguilar (890772) | more than 9 years ago | (#13303748)

I don't think it could possibly be useful. Anything that makes me look away from my receticle is something that makes it more likely for me to be killed: the further away I look, the longer it takes me to reacquire my sight and aim.

Re:Images here (2, Insightful)

Erwos (553607) | more than 9 years ago | (#13303837)

This is assuming that all this is good for is games. I disagree. This gives an excellent venue for such things as LCDProc, which could use it as a convienient spot for system temperature, fan speed, etc. Maybe it could be used for RSS feeds while you're playing, or incoming IM. Be creative!

However, I do think it will provide a reasonable place for auxillary information for games, too. Not everything is an FPS - think RTS or turn-based strategy. Getting instant information on how much range, firepower, armor, etc. your selected units have (averaged?) could be stunningly useful, yet be a little too much for the main game screen. A keyboard LCD fills this void in an efficient way.

-Erwos

Re:Images here (1)

James_Aguilar (890772) | more than 9 years ago | (#13303888)

Or maybe just a bigger screen? =P

Re:Images here (0, Troll)

Psiren (6145) | more than 9 years ago | (#13303761)

Thanks for the link. It is as I thought it was... one of the most pointless devices ever made. Who on earth is going to be looking at their keyboard when they're playing games, especially when playing FPS? Someone clearly had too much time on their hands. No doubt people will buy it though, you only have to look at the Ipod to see how style triumphs over substance.

Re:Images here (4, Interesting)

plover (150551) | more than 9 years ago | (#13303853)

The more I think about it, the more this could really enhance realism to gaming by removing onscreen clutter.

It'll be interesting to try it out. I like to play America's Army in a darkened room, and for total immersion I'd love to get rid of all the status bars, bullet counts, magazine counts, health, steadiness, objectives, etc. Just show me a picture out the soldiers eyes. A small glowing compass and current weapon indicator down below my line of sight would be perfect. In a firefight or tense "scan for opfor" situation, all you see is either nothing or targets. Once the action has passed, though, you can steal a quick glance down to see how you're doing for ammo, is there a medic call, etc. And as in the real world, when you divert attention away from the situation to check on the mundane details, you might miss something.

Yeah, this looks really interesting. It might not improve my frag rate, but it sure could improve my enjoyment.

Re:Images here (1)

kccricket (217833) | more than 9 years ago | (#13304032)

Ya know, that HUD setup sounds a lot like Red Orchestra [clanservers.com] for UT2004.

Re:Images here (1)

StarvingSE (875139) | more than 9 years ago | (#13303924)

For most FPS's now, like CS:S, you die after a couple of hits anyway, so keeping track of stats isn't that much of an issue anyway.

Apple did it... (-1, Troll)

guildsolutions (707603) | more than 9 years ago | (#13303664)

So logitech hadde to follow and release new mice :-)

I wonder if the apple mighty mouse is still as mighty now?!?!?

Re:Apple did it... (1)

bemenaker (852000) | more than 9 years ago | (#13303892)

No you clod, it is because of the razor.

Re:Apple did it... (1)

willCode4Beer.com (783783) | more than 9 years ago | (#13304097)

What?
with all those buttons it would be too confusing...
it might encourage developer to build for more than one button...
it would violate some esoteric design esthetics...

Why don't I care? (-1, Offtopic)

kongit (758125) | more than 9 years ago | (#13303665)

I don't use a mouse.

Mice in games (0)

Alex P Keaton in da (882660) | more than 9 years ago | (#13303673)

I thought mice mostly just did mazes.
I wonder what this will mean for consoles. Will consoles have a keyboard ever, so those of us who enjoy usinga keyboard for game play can emulate the experience in our living rooms?

Re:Mice in games (2, Interesting)

TGK (262438) | more than 9 years ago | (#13303763)

This gets a lot of discussion on Slashdot and other sites of similar ilk. We're oft told that the reason we don't see a keyboard and mouse with a console is that both of these things benefit from the desk that they typicaly sit on.

You're right - for a FPS or a strategy game, a mouse and keyboard are, by far, the best interface (yet).

I just wonder how true that bit about the desk being necessary really is. I've played with gyro mice (expensive, yes, but mostly because they're a niche product) and have pretty much always been able to use a keyboard on my lap -- so why don't we see more keyboard/mouse interfaces becoming available for the couch environment?

MSFT is supposed to be playing the XBox 360 as a home media device -- perhaps a keyboard will become standard issue with that.

Re:Mice in games (1)

Total_Wimp (564548) | more than 9 years ago | (#13303953)

a product such as this [stacksandstacks.com] can make a real difference. I also get better leverage by using a mini keyboard and putting the mouse up on the keyboard surface rather than using the mouse tray as shown. I've loved the logitech mice I've had over the years, but their keyboards are so large that I don't hassle with them. Logitech, if you're listening, you should make something like the Nostromo N52, [belkin.com] but wireless if you want to get a little extra of my money.

I don't know much about mice and keyboards for consoles, but PC gaming in the livingroom rocks. My home theatre speakers are many times better than my computer speakers and gaming on such a big screen is just plain fun.

TW

Display? (4, Interesting)

TGK (262438) | more than 9 years ago | (#13303681)

The article mentions a built in display - configured by the player to show in game information or data from an outside application.

Two questions:

1 - Who really looks at their keyboard that much during a game session?

2 - How are they pulling data from a game engine? Is this assuming that developers will build software for this keyboard system for major releases? That seems presumptive.

Re:Display? (2, Insightful)

plover (150551) | more than 9 years ago | (#13303757)

It's not an unrealistic presumption. It's a case of "if they build it, support will come" or more likely "if they sell a million, support will come faster."

The press release said that several games will release support for it yet this year. And even if they don't, given the abilities of the community I expect third parties will write mods for the biggies, such as WoW and UT 2K4. Even if Blizzard provides native WoW support for it, I suspect other WoW plugin authors will rush to add even more functionality.

Regarding your other question: who looks at their keyboard? I don't know, I painted mine black a couple years ago :-)

Re:Display? (1)

shuufoxie (907008) | more than 9 years ago | (#13304252)

"The 18 programmable "G Keys" allow you to execute macros--like casting spells in World of Warcraft--with a single button press" But... Can't I do that with the keybord I already have? ^^;

Re:Display? (1)

MindStalker (22827) | more than 9 years ago | (#13303777)

I'm assuming they arn't its probably just a programmable LCD. You could program it to show your computer temperature, most likly its going to show you keybinding info for some sort of hot switch binding system. Though there obviously will be an API that a game could use, I doupt you will see many use it. Though it probably wouldn't be hard to hack in some system to pull scores or such from most major games.

Re:Display? (2, Funny)

kfg (145172) | more than 9 years ago | (#13303811)

Using the latest advancements in computers to create a heads down display.

Ahhhhh! Technology marches on.

KFG

Re:Display? (1)

zoso21 (901653) | more than 9 years ago | (#13304076)

It would be great for a listing of reagents and other critical things for WoW without having to open up your inventory. Hunters can see how much ammo they have left. Not critical or anything but nice to have.

Re:Display? (1)

kfg (145172) | more than 9 years ago | (#13304325)

I'm not disputing the value of information, just questioning whether display on the keyboard is the appropriate solution.

Wouldn't displaying this information on your monitor, a pure sofware solution, be superior to buying a new keyboard with yet another display, out of the line of your normal vision, be superior?

KFG

Mea culpa (1)

kfg (145172) | more than 9 years ago | (#13304354)

And couldn't I have written that with superior grammar?

KFG

Re:Display? (1)

HD Webdev (247266) | more than 9 years ago | (#13304056)

1 - Who really looks at their keyboard that much during a game session?

The gamers who lose most often and have plenty of time to order these products online.

All kidding aside: As far as FPS games go, there isn't any time for players to look at a keyboard. And, in most games, a command like 'stats' or web-based statistics show how badly a player is doing.

The last time (2, Funny)

pickyouupatnine (901260) | more than 9 years ago | (#13303682)

.. I owned a Logitech mouse.. and it literally caught fire when I played too much Unreal Tournament w/ it. If I ever get back into serious gaming.. I'm gonna blow up one of these.. damn.. been a while since I got excited about a mouse.

Re:The last time (2, Funny)

Stibidor (874526) | more than 9 years ago | (#13303829)

Are you sure you know the meaning of the word "literally"? Your mouse literally caught fire? I hope you used it to roast s'mores or something. :)

Re:The last time (1)

James_Aguilar (890772) | more than 9 years ago | (#13303831)

I call BS.

Re:The last time (1)

jimbolauski (882977) | more than 9 years ago | (#13303893)

You know they have optical mice with fans in them now this should stop your hairy palms from catching fire.

I use.... (2, Interesting)

KingBahamut (615285) | more than 9 years ago | (#13303705)

A Razer Chameleon and an Elumix Black. Was going to go with the Logitec Mouse....but the Razer looked nicer and IMHO the buttons were easier to get to.

http://www.razerzone.com/ [razerzone.com]
http://www.eluminx.com/product.asp?pid=5 [eluminx.com]

Both seem to suit me just fine.
 

Re:I use.... (1)

gid (5195) | more than 9 years ago | (#13304172)

I've seen that keyboard before, it would be kind of nice since I work in the dark sometimes. But what's up with the weird key placement? I couldn't use it for that reason alone.

Re:I use.... (1)

KingBahamut (615285) | more than 9 years ago | (#13304251)

I got used to it after a while. That keyboard moves really fast, its built like a laptop keybaord or at least thats what it feels like. The other one I have is this one -- https://store.frogpad.com/merchant.mvc?Screen=PROD &Product_Code=FPWHUSB20R&Category_Code=ALL&Store_C ode=FrogStore [frogpad.com]

That one took a lot of getting used to , but once I got to it, worked like a charm, great gamer keyboard.

Onward Logitech Soilders! (1)

Talez (468021) | more than 9 years ago | (#13303707)

I've always had Logitech gear. In fact, until my Mighty Mouse I was 100% logitech. Basic 2 button + scroll for the rest of the family, Mouseman Dual for the PC, MX-510 for the mac.

I will be getting a G7. G5 doesn't have enough buttons for me. G15 is definately on the "buy on release" list. Sadly I'm in Australia so I might be waiting a while :(

Impressive (4, Funny)

mikeophile (647318) | more than 9 years ago | (#13303719)

They support screaming fast 20g moves up to 45 inches / second...and even higher, depending upon the surface.

Will they support 20G impacts when I throw the damn thing against the wall after I am fragged by a LAN hacker for the n-th time?

Re:Impressive (1)

WhatAmIDoingHere (742870) | more than 9 years ago | (#13303887)

That's one of the great things about the LAN envrionment. You can walk over to them and kick their ass in person.

Re:Impressive (1)

HD Webdev (247266) | more than 9 years ago | (#13304086)

It was said: They support screaming fast 20g moves up to 45 inches / second...and even higher, depending upon the surface.

To which mikeophile replied: Will they support 20G impacts when I throw the damn thing against the wall after I am fragged by a LAN hacker for the n-th time?

You are asking the wrong question.

It should be, who will win in a Device vs LAN hacker's head contest?

The headline mentions mice, but... (1)

DarkFencer (260473) | more than 9 years ago | (#13303725)

The headline mentions new logitech mice, but the article linked is all about new gaming keyboards.

Either way, the LCD coming from the keyboard sounds like a great idea. While gaming full screen, the LCD could act like a display for your systems mp3 player. You could see/cycle through what is playing like you would on a standalone mp3 player, without having to Alt-Tab out of your game.

g5 and g7 mice (4, Informative)

arkhan_jg (618674) | more than 9 years ago | (#13303768)

Pictures of the g5 mouse [logitech.com]

And guess what, it's shaped for right handers only. You'd think that it'd be possible to invert the casing, and produce a mirrored device for the 15-20% or so of the target market who can't use a right-handed gaming mouse. (I can handle it for general use, but I need my primary hand for precision work)

Still, looks like I'll be buying the new razer copperhead [gamespot.com] when it comes out shortly, similar features but suitable for lefties.

Re:g5 and g7 mice (1)

patvan (234768) | more than 9 years ago | (#13303996)

The article touches on this:

TS: Something that many people mention to me is that there aren't very many mice designed for people that are left-handed. What does Logitech plan to do about that?
As a left-handed gamer, I understand the issue. There is definitely an opportunity for a left-handed gaming mouse, and we will continue to explore that. That being said, we have nothing to announce at this time.

Re:g5 and g7 mice (1)

Heian-794 (834234) | more than 9 years ago | (#13304206)

The real problem is that despite the recent wave of right-hander-only mice, makers don't make much of an effort to specifically mention that their product is unusable by left-handers.  It's not always obvious from the pictures, and these days when looking at mice it's one of the first things I think about.  I must have spent five minutes just looking for photos with enough detail to see whether or not I shuold stop considering this mouse before reading any further.

Right handers can safely buy just about any product knowing that either it favors them or it's neutral, and that if it were for lefties, it would be so labeled.

Come on, mouse makers.  Surely the benefit gained from RH users with your RH-only designs is outweighed by the grousing, boycotts, and bad publicity that also come with them.

Re:g5 and g7 mice (1, Troll)

jagilbertvt (447707) | more than 9 years ago | (#13304108)

As a left handed person, I don't see what the issue is. I always use mice w/ my right hand. In fact, I can't use a mouse w/ my left hand very well at all. I highly doubt there are 15-20% of people who actually use the mouse on the left hand side. Probably closer to 1 or 2%.

Re:g5 and g7 mice (1)

flutkatastrophe (866004) | more than 9 years ago | (#13304361)

I believe that they should have designed the mouse for both right and left handed people, but....the molds for the injected plastic parts alone for this mouse probably cost hundreds of thousands of dollars. They would also need to have a completely different circuit board, to reposition the button to the other side.

It's simply not economically feasible to create two versions.

And being a righty, I'd prefer that the mouse conform to my hand rather than just being a symmetrical lump of plastic like the Razer.

Get a console... (0, Flamebait)

Psionicist (561330) | more than 9 years ago | (#13303772)

I'm getting very tired of all the hardware manufacturers designing their products "for gaming". We have ABIT and their "Fatality" product line, D-link creates "gaming routers". Almost all the mice and keyboards from the larger manufacturers are targeted for gamers. We have Creative with their gaming sound cards. And all these mouse pads for gaming. Not to mention the super-responsive "designed for gaming" TFT-monitors. And the kids who seriosly belive AMD processors are "designed for gaming".

Seriously, get a fucking console. Where are the hardware designed to be reliable? Or the hardware designed to look good, and not like sci-fi props from 30 year old movies? What about hardware for real work? I never thought I'd say this, but it appears the only serious large manufacturer (excluding the likes of APC, Tandberg etc of course) this day is Apple. Everyone else apperantly tries to appeal to high school kids.

Re:Get a console... (2)

Spodlink05 (850651) | more than 9 years ago | (#13303880)

The average age of a gamer is 30.

Re:Get a console... (3, Funny)

plover (150551) | more than 9 years ago | (#13303889)

Because two groups of consumers drive the absolute high end of home computing: the gamers and the porn surfers.

And porn surfers don't need a two-handed keyboard.

Re:Get a console... (1)

vertinox (846076) | more than 9 years ago | (#13304081)

You also forgot Pirates. It's a bit easier to pirate computer games than it is for a console.

Re:Get a console... (1)

DeathFlame (839265) | more than 9 years ago | (#13303913)

Simple. Very simple.

They go where the money is.

Besides, you should be happy that the gamers are the ones craving such devices, pushing the manufacturers to go further with their technology. Because eventually that stuff trickles into the "Work" stuff.

Kinda like the military research becoming everday items eventually. Someone has to push the envelope.

Re:Get a console... (1)

sesshomaru (173381) | more than 9 years ago | (#13303991)

Besides, you should be happy that the gamers are the ones craving such devices, pushing the manufacturers to go further with their technology. Because eventually that stuff trickles into the "Work" stuff.
And occaisionally "work" designs that have been discontinued will be brought back for "gaming."

Logitech Gaming Mouse Review [firingsquad.com]

Re:Get a console... (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 9 years ago | (#13303997)

You realize of course that without the 'high school kids' and their gaming products, the hardware that you use to get 'real work' done would be half as fast and ten times more expensive right? Would you rather pay $2000 for a video card from 3dlabs circa 98 or so, or $200 for an nvidia, on which to run your 3ds and your maya?

Besides, what exactly would you rather have on a mouse designed for 'real work'. Less buttons? Poorer tracking? Thicker and more obtrusive cords?

Re:Get a console... (1)

blueh1ro (892709) | more than 9 years ago | (#13304075)

While I agree that some game oriented products are just for show, most of them are just the "expensive" versions that no "regular" consumer is going to splurge on. Heck I remember playing Quake with my Microsoft Intellimouse "with scrollwheel", compare that to the MX500 I use here at work. But wait! An MX500 is a gaming mouse! Guess what I use it for............ Photoshop

Yep, I use my MX500 at work and my MX510 at home for Desktop Publishing more than gaming. Try using a crappy dell mouse all day for photoshop, yah, you'll be begging for an MX5XX style mouse within a week. And I don't have a console for one big reason, it doesn't use a MOUSE.

Honestly though, I suck at console games because I'm not very good with the controllers, I'm just soo used to mouse control. So be happy with your console, just don't expect me to give up my mouse (especially my Logitech) for a stinky gamepad.

On that note, I need to get back to work

Logitech/Belkin combo deadly (1)

southpolesammy (150094) | more than 9 years ago | (#13303805)

Belkin's Nostromo SpeedPad n52 [belkin.com] on the left hand, Logitech's G7 mouse [logitech.com] on the right hand, serious frag death for my opponents....

Re:Logitech/Belkin combo deadly (1)

nb caffeine (448698) | more than 9 years ago | (#13304233)

I already use a belkin n50 (original speedpad) and my logitec mx700. Its a great combination

SGI - ahead of it's time. (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 9 years ago | (#13303816)

*The keyboard also features a gaming mode switch, which, when turned on, disables the Windows® key so gamers wont get dropped out of a game if they accidentally press it.*

Hey, My 7 year old SGI keyboard has that feature implemented permenantly!

Re:SGI - ahead of it's time. (1)

gid (5195) | more than 9 years ago | (#13304242)

I have a nice DIGITAL keyboard without the windows buttons, but I personally like the action of my logitech keyboard (with the windows key pryed off) better.

Feature request please !! (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 9 years ago | (#13303823)


can you make it any uglier ? i want more thick plastic mouldings and 43.5 extra buttons
perhaps you could add a giant display that tells the time in 14 languages too, i want it to run on 8 lead acid batteries (which should last about a week if you can) and it should be able to impress my visitors from 200yds

thanks
your friends, the consumers

This is a huge scientific breakthrough... (4, Funny)

Malor (3658) | more than 9 years ago | (#13303852)

From the writeup on the new mice:

"The low weight of the mouse allows fast moves and zero inertia[....]"

In other words, they've quietly developed an inertialess mouse. The biggest physics breakthrough ever, and they're wasting it on a stupid gaming mouse. Quick, somebody call NASA!

Re:This is a huge scientific breakthrough... (1)

Malor (3658) | more than 9 years ago | (#13303911)

Oops, sorry, I should have included a link [logitech.com] to the press release on this amazing new technology.

Re:This is a huge scientific breakthrough... (2, Funny)

digidave (259925) | more than 9 years ago | (#13304043)

You assume that space exploration and the revolution of personal and mass transit as well as civil engineering, not to mention the upheaval of our understanding of physics and the universe, are more important than Counter-Strike. I beg to differ.

Re:This is a huge scientific breakthrough... (1)

Amouth (879122) | more than 9 years ago | (#13304148)

personaly i like my heavy mouse.. ~4oz because it hurts when i hit people with it..

People still use mice? Trackballs are the future. (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 9 years ago | (#13303861)

I never understood the appeal of mice. It is an annoyance to be forced to drag your hand back and forth across a desk all day long.

Ergo? (1)

guice (907163) | more than 9 years ago | (#13303895)

Where's all the ergonomic keyboards gone these days? :( /Avid ergo keyboard fan. //Completely unable to find *any* good non-MS ergo keyboards.

Re:Ergo? (1)

Daath (225404) | more than 9 years ago | (#13304040)

Same here :( I am using an old ergonomic keyboard from Lite-ON / Tech - it's the best damn keyboard I've ever tried, and it tilt up from the front, not the back like other keyboards...
I was really depressed to find that they stopped making them - I even tried contacting the main offices to hear if they had any old ones laying around I could buy...
I just love the ergokeyboards... I had one from MS but that stank...

Re:Ergo? (1)

minerat (678240) | more than 9 years ago | (#13304126)

Give this man a medal. No one ever puts out ergonomic keyboards anymore. I REALLY want an ergonomic buckling spring keyboard, but alas the IBM M15 is nowhere to be found.

bad Ergonomincs (1)

vjmurphy (190266) | more than 9 years ago | (#13303896)

I own a few Logitech mice based on the same shell, and they don't fold a candle to the comfort of the MX1000 Laser Mouse shell.

The 510 518 and G5 shells have buttons above the scroll wheel that are hard to use and two thumb buttons that require moving your thumb up (or up and back) to use. As a result, I barely use any of those buttons.

I was hoping that the new Gaming mice would use the MX1000 design, only corded, but it does't look likely.

Still, I'm likely to try this one: the weight cartridge looks interesting. And they seem to have addressed the thumb button somewhat. But I still want a corded MX1000 style mouse.

Mice? Aren't those what elephants are afraid of? (1)

Sinju (907042) | more than 9 years ago | (#13303923)

I've probably used Logitech products since I started buying my own speakers, mince, and keyboards. They have good products and have always worked well for me. I got the MX1000, the first real laser mouse not one of the opticals that use a light, and love it! The mouse is awsome for gaming and everything else so if they can make a normal mouse that is good for gaming then something that is made specificaly for gaming MUST be good.

Compatability and coding (1)

Iriel (810009) | more than 9 years ago | (#13303925)

This means three things for me:

1. I'll be getting the keyboard, at least.

2. I'll probably have to sacrifice a goat to get all the keys to work through my KVM switch.

3. My Linux script to make all the keys functional is going to take a good deal of tweaking from the Logitech Elite I'm using right now.

I can't wait...for the first one anyway. ;)

oh yea (1)

drummie zeb (903364) | more than 9 years ago | (#13303959)

best $20 ever spent. 4 years strong.

Missing Something (1)

Enzo the Baker (822444) | more than 9 years ago | (#13303995)

So they have mice designed for gamers, and now a keyboard designed for gamers. When will they get with the program and design a joystick especially for gamers?

Full-Speed USB! (5, Funny)

NewStarRising (580196) | more than 9 years ago | (#13304014)

Don't miss the Full-Sped USB!
"The G7 and G5 are Logitechs first computer mice to leverage full-speed USB. "

Now checking on http://www.everythingusb.com/usb2/faq.htm [everythingusb.com] , we find that
"Full Speed" refers to USB 1.1, while High-Speed (Or "Hi-Speed") refers to USB 2.

So Logitech are bragging about their USB 1.1 mice?

Re:Full-Speed USB! (1)

Roguelazer (606927) | more than 9 years ago | (#13304066)

If you read the page you linked to, you'd note that most mice and keyboards are 1.5MB/s ("Low-Speed"). So, yes, I guess they are bragging about 12MB/s vs 1.5MB/s.

As an aside, when will people learn how to spell? "Hi" does not mean the same thing as "high". Also, "thru" and "donut" are not words, no matter how much a certain "Drive-Thru" "Donut"-centered restaurant might want us to believe.

Re:Full-Speed USB! (1)

NewStarRising (580196) | more than 9 years ago | (#13304221)

Oh, I agree totally about the spelling - that is why I included the "nu-speek" version.
But language changes, and Donut, thru, nite, hi and other spellings will come to be the "usual" way. Wether we like it or not. (sic)

As another aside - I am from UK, where we still spell with those "u"s in the middle of words - the "proper" way. Where did the "Z" in your nick come from? Surely not a corruption of the well-known acronym:
Light Amplification by Stimulated Emission of Radiation?

8o)

(Please note playful intentions)

Why bother? (1)

Jett (135113) | more than 9 years ago | (#13304033)

I have an MX1000 and it is the greatest mouse I've ever used. I use it in games all the time without problem. Also, it's cheaper than this "gaming mouse" and it doesn't run on 2.4ghz so no worries about it messing with my WAP. So, why pay more for this mouse when you can get the MX1000?

Very nice except for one thing: (1)

MtViewGuy (197597) | more than 9 years ago | (#13304109)

Logitech unwisely removed the second button from the G5/G7 mouse pointers on the left side.

The reason I like the MX5xx series of mouse pointers is the fact you have those two buttons on the left side of the mouse, which makes moving forward and backward through documents and Web pages easily. Logitech could have corrected the issue of too many buttons on the left side of the mouse pointer by making a setting in their software driver to essentially "lock" the functionality of both buttons to the same function in games, while still having seperate functions for each button running business software and Web browsers.

Re:Very nice except for one thing: (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 9 years ago | (#13304165)

i agree, i have those buttons set for forward and back for when i do web browsing. it's very nice to be able to easily bounce back and forth from links.

Windows XP only (1)

ZeroConcept (196261) | more than 9 years ago | (#13304113)

They should mention that if you want to use those you need Windows XP. I'm still using Windows 2000 and I don't plan to upgrade the OS for a mouse.

Same as new golf clubs? (2, Insightful)

digidave (259925) | more than 9 years ago | (#13304176)

If you ever watch golf on TV you've seen all the ads for the new technology. If you've ever seen anybody golf with the latest equipment you'll know it doesn't make any difference at all. I think gaming equipment is exactly the same.

Except for perimiter weighted irons, metal woods and graphite shafts, golf technology hasn't really progressed very much since Arnold Palmer first began playing professionally. New balls and club technology will maybe gain you a few yards off the tee.

With computer mice, scroll wheels and optical sensors were the huge breakthroughs. Laser is nice, but is not nearly as much better than optical as optical is better than a ball mouse. More buttons are ok, but often hard to reach at critical times. Tilt wheels are more gimmick than anything except for people with very wide documents. Wireless is not usually particularly useful, but some people like it.

So what is it that these new Logitech mice bring to the table that will revolutionize gaming? Would you gladly trade your scroll wheel for any one of these features? Probably not. Will you get more kills in FPS games? More items in MMOGs? More 'coffee' in GTA:SA? No, no and no.

The next revolution in pointer control may be when you don't need to use an imprecise limb for movement. Maybe contact lenses that point the cursor to where you focus your eyes. For mice, once you get it tracking well (optical/laser) and you cramp all the useful buttons where they are easily reachable (LMB, wheel, RMB), you have pretty much hit the limit.

Re:Same as new golf clubs? (1)

bsquizzato (413710) | more than 9 years ago | (#13304343)

If you're really serious into FPS games (as in, making money off it, and believe me that's happening; See The CPL [thecpl.com] , ESWC [esworldcup.com] , WCG [worldcybergames.com] ) then over the last year or two mice have really advanced.

First of all the new ergonomic designs simply make it a lot easier to make large mouse movements across a big pad since your fingers are positioned somewhat on the sides instead of totally over the top. Most big-time FPS gamers use a lower sensitivity and a large mousepad surface.

Second, the optical sensors in the mice have advanced as well, for example with Logitech's MX518 supporting 1600DPI as opposed to most 800DPI sensors. That makes every little movement you make much more accurate.

Whether it's really making a big difference at all in terms of aiming and skill, it's probably something that wouldn't be explicable by a gamer but you could just "feel" like the mouse is more responsive.

Any plan for improving their joysticks? (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 9 years ago | (#13304245)

The present 3D Extreme Logitech stick I own is less than 3 weeks old and ready to be exchanged. Glad I bought the merchants additional warranty!
    In the past year I've bought an Logithech Extreme 3D, Attack 3, Freedom 2.4 Cordless(refurbished), Saitek X45, CH Flightstick and Fighterstick. The only one that has consistently delivered quality performance is the Flightstick, which I've owned for over 6 months now. The Logitech sticks all didn't last two months. The Saitek is pretty good for flight sims, but one of the hats is now loose. Had it a bit longer than the CH sticks, the CH Fighterstick's hat went out and has a little slop in an axis.
    I had a MS Sidewinder 3D Pro, years ago. Longest running ownership I can remember. Just bought a new one on ebay and hope to relive that experience.
    Why doesn't anyone make optical sticks, anymore? Anyone know of an "ultimate" stick that won't let me down?

keyboard (4, Interesting)

CaptnMArk (9003) | more than 9 years ago | (#13304302)

I hope the keyboard doesn't have the f**ing f-lock.

Whoever invented disabling the function keys by default on new keyboard should just die.

The only reason I'm not buying a keyboard from www.pckeyboard.com is due to lack of USB support (I find most converters are problematic).
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