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High-End Aluminum PC Cases Make A Comeback

CmdrTaco posted more than 9 years ago | from the aluminum-is-like-sexy-or-something dept.

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An anonymous reader writes ""Lian Li's V1200 Plus represents the apex of enclosure technology to date. Lian Li is a long time favorite of computer builders, especially those who are willing to spend more so that they will get the features and design benefits of a high end product. This case has a formidable price tag, but with its great looks, innovative layout, and brand reputation it has more that a few things going for it. At 210 x 490 x 625mm this case has the depth of a full-tower, but not the height. This makes it perfect for extensive systems and for people who need to tinker inside the case.""

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Magnesium Cubes (1)

AKAImBatman (238306) | more than 9 years ago | (#13308591)

Aluminum? How Space Age. Ultra-modern, Information Age technology demands the return of the Magnesium Alloy [fortunecity.com] cases. And if you douse them in lighter fluid and place them on top [blackholeinc.com] of a natural gas burner, they burh quite nicely. [google.com] ;-)

Mirror (2, Informative)

AKAImBatman (238306) | more than 9 years ago | (#13308656)

P.S. The site seems to be completely dead. If you have problems, use this mirror [nyud.net] courtesy of Coral Cache.

Re:Magnesium Cubes (1)

w98 (831730) | more than 9 years ago | (#13308702)

I dunno, I'll never feel the same about PC cases after witnessing half life case mod [members.home.nl] that I believe was covered on /. a number of months ago.

Personally, I'm willing to buy a case made out of any kind of material if it'll be quiet enough... my regular steel case is too loud at night.

Re:Magnesium Cubes (1)

Snarfangel (203258) | more than 9 years ago | (#13308911)

Magnesium? Blah, that's sooo 20th century. Titanium cases with anodized colors are where it's at.

What tipped me in the direction of Aluminum (3, Insightful)

bigwavejas (678602) | more than 9 years ago | (#13308595)

Another thing to consider, which this article didn't specifically point out is... Aluminum cases keep your system cooler than standard steel cases. With PC temperatures rising (through overclocked CPU's and the latest pixel-pushing video cards), it's one more reason to consider a Aluminum.

Re:What tipped me in the direction of Aluminum (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 9 years ago | (#13308669)

Technically you're correct, aluminum will keep your system cooler than steel, but very little. The difference would be .1-.3 Celcius. So, I guess if you want to squeeze every piece of heat from your system, you might consider aluminum. Mostly the temperature improvement is due to improved case design.

Re:What tipped me in the direction of Aluminum (5, Informative)

dmbrun (907271) | more than 9 years ago | (#13308693)

Aluminum cases keep your system cooler than standard steel cases

Well no.

See http://www.systemcooling.com/alum_steel-01.html [systemcooling.com]

Re:What tipped me in the direction of Aluminum (1)

bigwavejas (678602) | more than 9 years ago | (#13308746)

Interesting read. I noticed there was still a bit of an edge to aluminum.

Re:What tipped me in the direction of Aluminum (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 9 years ago | (#13308996)

Well if you would read the thing, it says "The charts show a very small advantage going to the aluminum case, but that advantage is well within the realm of test error". Right there, under the chart, after the sentence you're referring to.

Re:What tipped me in the direction of Aluminum (1)

Jeff DeMaagd (2015) | more than 9 years ago | (#13308724)

Pick the case metal based on what you like and are willing to pay for. I love the look of aluminum as a case metal but they aren't necessarily better functioning than steel.

That and, most computer case heat transfer is through air flow, any other claim is hype or a radically different design, which ATX and BTX aren't it, more like custom case and circuit design. Unless you actually have heat sinks that transfer heat directly to the shell, the shell material doesn't make much of a difference.

Re:What tipped me in the direction of Aluminum (4, Informative)

Lisandro (799651) | more than 9 years ago | (#13308766)

Not really - your computer heats the air inside the case, and not the case itself. Unless the parts generating more heat are attached directly to it (like the CPU), it won't really make much of a difference.
    Even stuff like hard disk (which are bolted to the case) will be cooled pretty much the same if the case is made of Al, steel or whatever, as there's enough mass to deal with it. Aluminium will move the heat quicker, giving you a couple of degrees less, and that's it.

    It will also irradiate poorly (being metal gray in color, instead of black).

Re:What tipped me in the direction of Aluminum (1)

bigwavejas (678602) | more than 9 years ago | (#13308772)

Good point. With the thermal conductivity of aluminum vs steel I would have thought differently. Thanks for the correction.

Re:What tipped me in the direction of Aluminum (5, Informative)

badasscat (563442) | more than 9 years ago | (#13308787)

Another thing to consider, which this article didn't specifically point out is... Aluminum cases keep your system cooler than standard steel cases.

I'm guessing the article didn't point it out because it's not true. It's an old urban legend among PC builders that's been thoroughly debunked repeatedly, to the point where most people actually don't believe it anymore. (This is a good thing - most urban myths just keep on going forever... witness the Bill Gates 640k quote [brainyquote.com] myth.)

Aluminum is a superior thermal conductor to steel but that's meaningless when you're talking about open air. Your PC's components are not actually in contact with the aluminum so it doesn't do them any good to be in an aluminum case. The vast majority of a PC's heat (around 99.9%) is removed by the PC's fans, not by conduction through the case, and you can easily verify this yourself just by feeling the top of your PC when it's on. It's likely that it's barely even warm to the touch - if it is, then you've got bigger problems that aren't going to be solved just by an aluminum case.

It's far more important that a PC case be built for good airflow than what material it's made out of. A well-designed steel case will outperform a poorly-designed aluminum case in terms of heat removal any day of the week.

It's another myth that aluminum cases are lighter - that may be true by a half pound or so, but when you're talking about 40 lbs. vs. 39.5 lbs. in a fully loaded PC, I don't think that much matters either. Your PC's innards don't magically get lighter just because you bought an aluminum case.

Buy an aluminum case because you like the way it looks and you like the way it's designed, not for any other reason.

(btw, I have two PC's in aluminum cases - I just like the look.)

XYZ... (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 9 years ago | (#13308596)

XYZ Computing is a blog.

Why is it on Slashdot?

Re:XYZ... (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 9 years ago | (#13308768)

Slashdot is a blog.

Why is it on Slashdot?

Wait . . .

Advertisement (5, Insightful)

medeii (472309) | more than 9 years ago | (#13308599)

Lian Li's V1200 Plus represents the apex of enclosure technology to date. Lian Li is a long time favorite of computer builders, especially those who are willing to spend more so that they will get the features and design benefits of a high end product.

Can it get any more blatant than this?

Re:Advertisement (1)

Skellington (692923) | more than 9 years ago | (#13308620)

Indeed, felt like a wee bit too much.

Re:Advertisement (1)

Craptastic Weasel (770572) | more than 9 years ago | (#13308628)

seriously, at least link multple sites so we don't set the one linked on fire... wait... click away, we'll burn down their server!! o_0

Re:Advertisement (1)

Malyven (774978) | more than 9 years ago | (#13308881)

Nah, it's in a nice lovely non-flammable Aluminum Case....

Re:Advertisement (1)

FreakyGeeky (23009) | more than 9 years ago | (#13308683)

Yeah, it's getting annoying. That's why I've been spending more time on digg.com. Sure you'll get the occasional ad, but it's rare if they make it to the main page.

Re:Advertisement (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 9 years ago | (#13308829)

Shut up.

Re:Advertisement (1)

Lisandro (799651) | more than 9 years ago | (#13308691)

Touche. Nothing wrong with Lian-Li cases (they look quite nice), but this was a bit too much.

Re:Advertisement (1)

slavemowgli (585321) | more than 9 years ago | (#13308700)

Sure makes you wonder just who that oh-so-anonymous reader is... or, for that matter, how much they paid Taco.

Re:Advertisement (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 9 years ago | (#13308764)

Taco gets none, but the owner of Slashdot - OSTG - gets some, which is channeled to the parent company, namely VA Software. Good business idea, folks!

Re:Advertisement (5, Funny)

_Sprocket_ (42527) | more than 9 years ago | (#13308728)

Can it get any more blatant than this?

Of course, all computer builders understand the need for the cool power. That's why they reach for the extreme refreshment of Mountain Dew Artic Megablast. Now available with the Taco Bell OverCrunch Cheesemelt Ultimate Burrito Fries meal.

Re:Advertisement (1)

Baloo Ursidae (29355) | more than 9 years ago | (#13308795)

And when I get a headache from too much caffiene, I reach for Nuprin. Little, yellow, different.

Re:Advertisement (2, Funny)

Analog Squirrel (547794) | more than 9 years ago | (#13308905)

You just had to ask, didn't you?

Re:Advertisement (3, Insightful)

EnsilZah (575600) | more than 9 years ago | (#13308740)

At first glance it seemed like that link is 80% ads but now that you point it out, looks like it's 100%. =\

Re:Advertisement (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 9 years ago | (#13308875)

Oh, I thought they were talking about Apple.

"especially those who are willing to spend more so that they will get the features and design benefits of a high end product"

Re:Advertisement (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 9 years ago | (#13308978)

I'm just waiting for /.'s readership to figure out that duped articles are duped on purpose because it increases ad-revenue. Taco's not forgetting he already posted it. He's making money.

Welcome to addot.org (3, Funny)

Anonymous Coward | more than 9 years ago | (#13308600)

I hope Slashdot is at least getting a cut on the referral money from these sites. I'm going to go put up a "review" of some hot new hardware and submit it to Slashdot. With any luck, they'll post it... twice!

I've been looking for a good case. (2, Interesting)

johndierks (784521) | more than 9 years ago | (#13308601)

When I was builing a gaming machine I wanted a high quality G5-like case for it, but couldn't find one. I think this might be it.

Re:I've been looking for a good case. (2, Informative)

Jeff DeMaagd (2015) | more than 9 years ago | (#13308634)

You can buy the G5 shell on ebay for a cheap price but you'll need to make adapters to make it work.

I really haven't liked Lian-Li cases when I got a good close-up look.

Re:I've been looking for a good case. (1)

Winkhorst (743546) | more than 9 years ago | (#13308696)

That's funny, I've had a PC68 for a few years now and have found it to be a really stylish and flexible piece of hardware. My only complaint is the screws that stick out the bottom that will scratch your desk if you don't slide it off completely horizontally. I guess the wheels solve that problem.

There's no accounting for taste, I suppose.

Looks like a G5 (1)

hyeh (89792) | more than 9 years ago | (#13308602)

This is not a new case, and it looks like a G5.

But it doesn't sound like one (3, Insightful)

Space cowboy (13680) | more than 9 years ago | (#13308624)

Indeed, it looks very nice (different, but nice) next to my G5. It's a lot louder though :-(

Simon

What a waste of money!!! (5, Funny)

Average_Joe_Sixpack (534373) | more than 9 years ago | (#13308621)

For God's sake, Aluminum is too damned weak for a good case kicking. I mean when I'm pissed, I like the nice recoil of a heavy gage steel panel against my boot when I punt my case in rage.

Re:What a waste of money!!! (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 9 years ago | (#13308690)

boot.. and reboot.

*Drums & Snare*

Re:What a waste of money!!! (1)

TeknoHog (164938) | more than 9 years ago | (#13308980)

I like the nice recoil of a heavy gage steel panel against my boot when I punt my case in rage.

I think you should try another operating system... I've found that Linux is pretty compatible with aluminum cases ;)

Blatent Slashvertisement? (4, Insightful)

rdwald (831442) | more than 9 years ago | (#13308623)

I mean, the review is written by a Lian-Li employee, and the story was submitted here by an "anonymous reader." Seems like a blatent plug to me.

Re:Blatent Slashvertisement? (1)

rdwald (831442) | more than 9 years ago | (#13308652)

I'll correct my own comment that Sal Cangeloso works for Lian-Li; however, when the byline of the article reads thusly:
By: Sal Cangeloso

Lian-Li.com

I think my mistake is at least understandable.

Re:Blatent Slashvertisement? (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 9 years ago | (#13308963)

It could be, or it might just be a blatant spelling error.

Oh what? (1)

Fussen (753791) | more than 9 years ago | (#13308626)

Ivory is too expensive?? geeze.

Not impressed (5, Interesting)

KingSkippus (799657) | more than 9 years ago | (#13308627)

First of all, I think this thing is ugly as sin. It's not sleek and stylish, it looks like something you'd find in a manufacturing plant making pieces of some sort of industrial equipment. Okay, that's just my personal taste, maybe you think it's beautiful.

That being said, it definitely has non-aesthetic drawbacks as well. From one of the reviews on Newegg's site:

Overall I'm satisfied, though I'll post my minor complaints here because that's what this is for, right? (1) No reset button. (2) The power light "bleeds" into the hard drive light. (3) Case doesn't do much to deaden sound. While not an issue for me, don't buy this case if you are looking to build a quiet computer. (4) Though the location and installation of the hard drives is unique, it would make connecting a full load of SCSI drives difficult. This can probably mostly be overcome with a round cable. (5) The power LED connector is a three pin while my MB, and all I've used to now, require a 2 pin connector. I had to remove the individual pins from the connector to plug into the board. (6) Not too familiar with Firewire connections, but the front panel firewire array connector does not fit on my MB. You would have to extract the individual pins like I did with the power connector. (7) I'm suspicious that airflow through the case is as good as it appears it should be. CPUs run about 4-5 degrees C warmer with the sides mounted in place.

He may be satisifed, but I'm definitely steering away from it. That's just too many weirdities.

Re:Not impressed (2, Funny)

value_added (719364) | more than 9 years ago | (#13308811)

First of all, I think this thing is ugly as sin.

In its favor, this particular case does admittedly go well with certain decors [rvonline.com] .

Depends on your version of ugly. Personally, I think all computer equipment should strive to emulate the look of audio equipment, but if that's not possible or desired, sticking a 4U rackmount system into a wooden cabinet offers a look that's infinitely preferrable to the goofiness for sale on store shelves.

waste of money (0)

TheSloth2001ca (893282) | more than 9 years ago | (#13308629)

Just buy a cheapo case, and take the side panels off as a cool case mod.

Nothing is sexier than a naked computer

They SAY it looks like the G5 case... (2, Insightful)

Nova Express (100383) | more than 9 years ago | (#13308637)

...right there on page 2. Unfortunately, they fail to mention that they took a G5, and then bashed it with the Ugly Stick.

Thinks he's the Pope of computer town (1)

pigwiggle (882643) | more than 9 years ago | (#13308731)

They say he carved it from a bigger case.

Not to mention... (3, Funny)

Apotsy (84148) | more than 9 years ago | (#13308939)

He's got a pube sitting on top of it in this picture [xyzcomputing.com] . Guy needs to lay off the porn.

Re:They SAY it looks like the G5 case... (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 9 years ago | (#13308953)

Dear Nova Express:

It has come to the attention of the Microsoft Legal Team that you have made an unauthorized use of a process defined in the patent entitled "emphasizing words through capitalization." Your work entitled "They SAY it looks like the G5 case..." infringes on claims 1-5 given:

1. A method for emphasizing words in an electronic document, the method comprising: determining if a word should be emphasized; and in responce to receiving the request, locating all words to be emphasized within the electronic document and emphasizing the located words.
2. The method of claim 1, wherin the electronic document comprises text and wherin the request comprises a request to emphasize text.
3. The method of claim 2, wherin the text can be in any language
4. The method of claim 3, wherin the text to be emphasized is capitalized uniformily or on a per-character basis.
5. The method of claim 4, wherin the vaugely defined text in an electronic document is produced in response to something

Clearly you are infringing on our patent and we demand that you immediately cease the practices given in the patent "empasizing words through capitalization" or legal measures will be taken in order to defend our intellectual property.

Very truly yours,
Microsoft Legal Team

Real techies make cases out of driftwood (1)

WillAffleckUW (858324) | more than 9 years ago | (#13308645)

which we find on the beach, dry out, and hand carve.

FP! (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 9 years ago | (#13308648)

Frosty Piss!

I always worry about aluminum. (2, Funny)

Sheetrock (152993) | more than 9 years ago | (#13308660)

True, it's got some simple advantages for casebuilding. It's lightweight, shiny, and probably the best metal for heat dissipation (assuming a room cooler than your system, of course). No corrosion either.

But let's take a look at the chemistry. Anybody in plumbing or wiring will tell you to avoid connecting two different metals -- and I don't think it's a coincidence that computer cases until now have either been plastic or largely built from the same metals as your ICs.

Iron has four energy levels, but aluminum only has three; this would suggest to the average person that aluminum would shield components better from electrical interference, but that's not the case at all. Additionally, iron has four known stable isotopes while aluminum only has one, and most computer builders prefer to build as much stability into their systems as possible.

I prefer plastic above the rest, as while it is more synthetic and prone to generating static electricity if rubbed with a wool cloth it generally works well and offers a greater degree of artistic freedom to the case designer.

Re:I always worry about aluminum. (1)

Winkhorst (743546) | more than 9 years ago | (#13308749)

Pure twaddle. I have had a PC68 for years and none of your bizarre energy level problems. The only reason anyone uses steal and plastic is cheap and cheaper. Isotopes? What, are you nuts or something? Do you even know what an isotope is?

Re:I always worry about aluminum. (1)

grozzie2 (698656) | more than 9 years ago | (#13308776)

Anybody who knows chemistry knows, corrosion is the biggest problem when dissimilar metals come in contact. The edge connectors on most expansion cards are gold plated to provide a better electrical connection. Therefore, it goes without saying, if chemical reactions are your main concern, it's a no brainer, just make the case out of gold, problem solved. It has benefits of being shiny, you dont want it to be lightweight (to easy for somebody to walk away with), and it'll have PLENTY of awe factor, assuming you keep it properly polished.

Re:I always worry about aluminum. (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 9 years ago | (#13308962)

You mean like this computer case? http://www.silverpcs.com/product/CS_PC7D_MOD [silverpcs.com]

Re:I always worry about aluminum. (2, Interesting)

Baloo Ursidae (29355) | more than 9 years ago | (#13308823)

I prefer plastic above the rest, as while it is more synthetic and prone to generating static electricity if rubbed with a wool cloth it generally works well and offers a greater degree of artistic freedom to the case designer.

And no case ground or RF shielding. Plastic is almost always a very poor choice for electronic equipment, particularly anything that might be near RF equipment (ie, your neighbor with a high-power HF rig; your stereo; etc.). I'd rather have aluminum than plastic, at least aluminum is closer to what you're looking for, as poor of an RF sheild and conductor as it may be.

Re:I always worry about aluminum. (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 9 years ago | (#13308832)

Your average person knows what an 'energy level' means in this context? I'm amazed, the average person here can barely eat a pretzel without choking.

Re:I always worry about aluminum. (1)

MustardMan (52102) | more than 9 years ago | (#13308862)

Man, that must be some good crack. More stable isotopes makes for a more stable system? Huh?

Re:I always worry about aluminum. (1)

capt.Hij (318203) | more than 9 years ago | (#13308899)

additionally, iron has four known stable isotopes while aluminum only has one, and most computer builders prefer to build as much stability into their systems as possible.

I see some people want to spill their derision and venom on this comment in true /. fashion, but I just want to share my experience with this. I too once thought al would be a great case, but then one day a group of Iranian nuclear scientists busted in my door and trashed my house. They took all of the al out of the house. When they finally left they laughed as they talked about how they were going to isolate all those unstable isotopes for their neferious purposes. And you know what... one of those guys looked suspiciously like their new prime minister!

bastards...

Re:I always worry about aluminum. (1)

TeknoHog (164938) | more than 9 years ago | (#13308970)

I once had a case made of Plutonium-186, but the parallel universe threesome guys kept bluescreening it all the time.

Why? (2, Insightful)

cascino (454769) | more than 9 years ago | (#13308665)

This case has been around for a long time. And it's ugly as sin.
Why again is this front-page worthy?

Re:Why? (1)

slavemowgli (585321) | more than 9 years ago | (#13308714)

Taco probably got paid a nice sum for posting this.

Re:Why? (2, Funny)

British (51765) | more than 9 years ago | (#13308754)

Or maybe Taco was hungry, and he got paid entirely in dim sum.

crashproof (1)

Doc Ruby (173196) | more than 9 years ago | (#13308675)

what about a really tough outer film, like Kevlar (or maybe not quite so tough/expensive) over a neoprene (skindiver suit) case? Better for my notebook to bounce than just take a punch.

Re:crashproof (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 9 years ago | (#13308816)

Doesn't seem to be the topic of the article, but I like their product so much I'll just mention: Waterfield Design [sfbags.com] makes a terrific laptop sleeve in ballistic nylon with a neoprene inner lining. The construction is great, and they custom-size them to a range of laptops. It's not cheap, but I like the look a lot and it does feel like it can take a fall.

Re:crashproof (1)

Baloo Ursidae (29355) | more than 9 years ago | (#13308846)

Get on it, man. Get yourself some sewing skills, a lot of neoprene in a bunch of different colors, some thick thread, a commercial sewing machine and a cart down at the mall and start sellin!

Re:crashproof (1)

Doc Ruby (173196) | more than 9 years ago | (#13308866)

Kevlar sewing skills are hard-won. But thanks for the encouragement :).

Gee, how innovative! (1)

2nd Post! (213333) | more than 9 years ago | (#13308681)

I love this quote:
Once again Lian Li has managed to impress us with not only the quality of their case, but the innovation of their design. The PC V1200 Plus has the features, size, and attention to detail to make it a great choice for anyone's "dream machine". The price is steep but taking into consideration what you are getting the V1200 is tough to beat.


Or to put it another way:

Lian Li has managed to impress us with not only the quality of their reproduction, but the accuracy as well. The PC V1200 Plus has the features, size, and attention to detail to make it a great choice for anyone who wants a G5 case. The price is steep, but taking into consideration what you are getting, the V1200 is still cheaper than buying a PowerMac.

Okay so it is different; it's upside down. Instead of placing the drives and power supply on top of the case, they put them on the bottom. Woo!

Watch out, it's metric (1)

vadius (669387) | more than 9 years ago | (#13308686)

I have been using the non-Plus model of this case for many months now and I love it (we also have a few of the Plus models around in the office now, and they are even better). The biggest annoyance with the case comes into play when installing dual Xeons: the Lian-Li case is threaded for metric M3 screws, but stock Xeon heatsinks (as well as the Supermicro sink that I prefer) use English units, which don't fit in the M3 sockets. In order to use dual Xeon heasinks, it is necessary to drill out the threading on the heatsink and use 25mm M3 screws. Annoying as this is, we still use this case exclusively.

Heatsinks mount on the motherboard (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 9 years ago | (#13308988)

At least they do with the one I have. My gripe is they changed the motherboard mounting standoffs to metric. They used to take #6 screws. I've been using torx screws with the Wiha MagicSpring torx driver which lets you use one hand to screw them in and leaves your other hand free to align the motherboard. I haven't found a source for metric torx screws yet. Not a big deal unless you're constantly rebuilding your pc.

This is not a great case... (1)

deep44 (891922) | more than 9 years ago | (#13308701)

Anybody reading this because they're looking to buy a great case- check out the CoolerMaster Stacker. I picked one up for my 2x Opteron system, and I've been extremely pleased. In fact, I can't think of a single thing that I dislike about it.

Re:This is not a great case... (-1)

Anonymous Coward | more than 9 years ago | (#13308861)

In fact, I can't think of a single thing that I dislike about it.

The Lian Li case allows you to fit 5 hard drives, a floppy and 4 CD/DVD drives all at the same time and doesn't make you give up one of your 120 MM fans to do it. The Coolermaster case allows you to fit 2 hard drives and a floppy IF you give up one 120 MM fan and turn your case into a component cooker.

The Lian Li case is on solid aluminum wheels, not cheap plastic ones like the Coolermaster Stacker.

The Lian Li fans are rubber mounted and do no vibrate the case. The Coolermaster fans are metal screw mounted and vibrate the case.

The Lian Li case does not have a top mounted 80MM fan that directs computer noise and heat DIRECTLY at the users face. The Coolermaster DOES.

The Lian Li case has better ventilation. Coolermaster gives you the option to install more noise generating 80MM fans.

The Lian LI case is BTX and sectioned into three thermal zones. Coolermaster uses outdated ATX standard and is one giant component cooker.

Lian Li places the power supply at the bottom with its own separate cool air supply. Cooler Master places the power supply at the top where it will suck in heated processor air garunteeing worse power efficiency and more noise due to the fan having to spin up to cope with increased heat. ATX sucks.

Lian Li has a fan funnel at the back to direct exhausted air silently down into the carpet, not against the wall where it will bounce in all directions or into the users face via a top mounted fan like the Cooler Master does.

Lian Li > Cooler Master.

--
Hope that helps.

Re:This is not a great case... (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 9 years ago | (#13308957)

have you even looked at the Stacker?

supports BTX, has two power supply mount points (top and bottom), can fit 6 HDs & 4 CD/DVD ROMs & floppy & front USB etc & two front 120mm fans, top fan is supposed to be an intake - only 80mm fan, all others are 120 - did I miss anything?

Can we end that commercial break? (2, Insightful)

jopet (538074) | more than 9 years ago | (#13308736)

The article (both the ./ and the original one) are nothing more than an ad.

Who actually wants this here?

Thermal Performance isn'y that great... (2, Insightful)

Sargeant Slaughter (678631) | more than 9 years ago | (#13308737)

We tested these a few months ago in our lab. Their thermal performance was only mediocre. All the little holes in the aluminium allow back flow into the chassis. That means that hot air just sits inside while the fans circulate air around in a little loop in the back of the chassis. The good ole chenbro gaming bomb did better thermally.

These are definitely not worth the money, when we got 'enm they were like $200 without a power supply!

bullshit (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 9 years ago | (#13308745)

an underhanded way of selling a rip off of a g5 case. innovative my ass.

Re:bullshit (1)

Winkhorst (743546) | more than 9 years ago | (#13308808)

Lian Li makes many many cases. You want innovative, try the conch shell design: http://www.lian-li.com/Product/Chassis/M_M_PC-777. htm [lian-li.com] . You want quiet, try the V Silent: http://www.lian-li.com/Product/Chassis/M_V_S_PC-V1 100plus.htm [lian-li.com] .
You want no holes, try the PC-6X series: http://www.lian-li.com/Product/Chassis/M_C_PC-6X_S _PC-6077.htm [lian-li.com] .

Re:bullshit (1)

IAmMaxHarris (750973) | more than 9 years ago | (#13309005)

The conch shell design is an innovative way to display extremely bad taste. There's nothing subjective about it being ugly - it's easy to see why the bad design hampers its functionality (and increases its price) while offering nothing but useless bulk in return.

The 8-series cases are wonderful, though.

I really like some of their stuff (I have a PC60 myself).

Overpriced and questionable air flow. (1)

the eric conspiracy (20178) | more than 9 years ago | (#13308755)

It looks gimmicky and overpriced. The business of inverting the power supply / motherboard looks highly questionable since now your pci cards are in the hot zone (top rear) trapping the heat in this area with no airflow. It is also very questionable since most motherboard thermal designs are based on mounting in the reverse position so you are running outside the designers intended use.

In addition the aesthetics are bad - cheese grater anyone?

I think cases like the Thermaltake Tsunami Dream and the Antec PB-160/180 are much better, and at lower cost to boot.

Re:Overpriced and questionable air flow. (1)

Winkhorst (743546) | more than 9 years ago | (#13308844)

Overpriced? You obviously haven't compared Lian Li with other aluminum cases. Hands down, they give you the best value for your buck. You wanna buy plastic junk and hide it in the bedroom, that's your decision. My computer sits in the living room next to my stereo/surround/DVD/LCD system, and it looks as good as any of the other components, better in fact than some.

Re:Overpriced and questionable air flow. (1)

hurfy (735314) | more than 9 years ago | (#13308896)

Don't know about this case but i modded one with a reverse board and haven't seen any problems with heat simply due to turning it upside down. A video card with a fan seems enough to push the air around and avoid a stagnent spot.

( 1 clear case on each side of table, i reversed one during building for symetry and to see all the pretty lights from my seat :) )

All the vents do seem like it might be prone too pulling in air before it cools much tho.

Would be nice for my car simulator especially with casters builtin but too pricey. I didnt pay that much for my plexiglass when they were only sold by one company!

Re:Overpriced and questionable air flow. (1)

JRock911 (848012) | more than 9 years ago | (#13308954)

Im using the black version of this case. I really like it. Ive bounced around over the years to different manufacturers and I always seem to end up back with Lian Li. Why? Because they just do things better than everyone else. Things are localed in logical places and everything just fits.. not to mention there is plenty of room to work inside the case. You can work with a lot of different cases but you'll never work with a Lian Li and question the quality and workmanship. They really are that much better than everyone else. Coolermaster used to be right on par with them but IMO Coolermaster has gone a little more "budget" in the last few years.

ATX is out-of date, not cutting edge (1)

Jaborandy (96182) | more than 9 years ago | (#13308774)

BTX cases are what we buy today. This old ATX design should be shelved.

--Jaborandy

Slashdot? (1)

wardomon (213812) | more than 9 years ago | (#13308778)

Meet Home Shopping Network.
Home Shopping Metwork?
Meet Slashdot.

Mod me down, but you know I'm right

It is official (5, Funny)

Anonymous Coward | more than 9 years ago | (#13308786)

Netcraft confirms it. Slashdot is dying "This site has ceased to be amusing," says one time Slashdot fanatic Walter Smith. "Something that used to be fun is now about as lively as a funeral. In the past, one could come here for sometimes informative articles, and always amusing mirth-filled comments in the discussion section. Now, anything remotely funny just gets modded down as troll, and one of the world's best venues for amateur comedy is gone." "The sometimes off-color an angry banter back and forth between trolls and the newbies who fed them was a great source of amusement," he went on to add, "but has up and died, much like Stephen King or Marlon Wayans, and what a shame! Now, it is too dull to even hold my attention for two minutes. Slashdot will be sorely missed." It is official. Slashdot it dead.

Nice case, but why bother? (1)

Avast Yee (906209) | more than 9 years ago | (#13308802)

After spending money on several different computer cases, I came to an important realization. Unless you've got money to just throw away, there really isn't much point to buy a premium case like this.

I bought a Lian-Li PC-65 USB case when the price was $200. I have also purchased a $60 Antec-style case. The Antec case, though heavier, is my favorite, hands down. It's easier to work with, cheap to replace, and I'm not worried about getting it scratched up or damaged. The fact is, a computer case doesn't matter much at all unless you overclock (which is another thing I find pointless). There are far more important components to spend your money on, like a higher quality power supply, more memory, and virtually anything else that actually affects how your computer will be.

This advertisement brought to you by...? (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 9 years ago | (#13308821)


How much does Slashdot get paid to run infomercials like this?

Don't call it a comeback... (1)

chaotixx (563211) | more than 9 years ago | (#13308850)

...it's been here for years!

Seriously, my brother has had one of these for over a year.

AC? My ass (4, Insightful)

Maxwell'sSilverLART (596756) | more than 9 years ago | (#13308852)

Anonymous coward? But TFA said it was by Sal Cangeloso, and since it's taken verbatim, I'd say it's probably reasonable to ascribe this to him.

Hey, you know what'd be really cool? If we had somebody who could read the stories, and decide which ones are valid news stories, and which are just advertisements. We could call the process "editing," or somesuch.

If we really wanted to go overboard, we could make him check the spelling and grammar of submissions, and possibly even see if the same story was reported the previous day. But that's probably just crazy talk.

that case isn't even close to the apex (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 9 years ago | (#13308856)

The Lian-li in the original post is just a g5 wannabe, and has been out for a looooong time.

Try the antec p180 if you want a case that "represents the apex of enclosure technology"

http://www.antec.com/us/productDetails.php?ProdID= 81800 [antec.com]

Re:that case isn't even close to the apex (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 9 years ago | (#13308919)

Looks like a very good case But I have a stigma for cases with doors on the front. I don't want anything getting between me and my ability to open the DVD drive. What do you do when an application tries to automatically eject a disc? No front door is the first thing I look for when selecting a case but I'd consider giving one a try if someone can tell me what benefit is derived from a front door.

where did they get the idea from? (1)

justforaday (560408) | more than 9 years ago | (#13308883)

The site is slashdotted, so I headed over to newegg [newegg.com] to see what it looks like. Basically, they've taken a G5 and stretched the thing by about 50%. It now has the dimensions of a trolley. That's all that comes to mind when I look at the third newegg picture -- trolley...

To xyzcomputing: (4, Informative)

arhines (620963) | more than 9 years ago | (#13308889)

If you are going to submit an article from your own website, at least have the balls to say it like it is and submit it as yourself. There's a reason it says "Anonymous Coward". To slashdot editors: Please stop accepting every article submitted by this and other small sites. If they come up with something innovative or have an exclusive review of something new, post it. Otherwise, let the RSS newsfeeds at anandtech/hardocp/etc handle this crap.

I prefer Antec's p180 (1)

Toxygen (738180) | more than 9 years ago | (#13308898)

*ahem* http://www.antec.com/us/productDetails.php?ProdID= 81800 [antec.com]

This case shares a lot of design features from the lian li model (except Antec did a good job on them), plus it's nice and quiet and pretty damned stylish if you ask me.

Also, it's not 250 fricken dollars.

Downside: it's 36 pounds before you even put anything inside it.

In the eye of the beholder (1)

bender647 (705126) | more than 9 years ago | (#13308914)

I do a lot of metalworking and this is just the sort of case I would like. I can imagine machining matching aluminum cases for other things. But I do wince at the thought of spending over $200 on just the box for your computer.

Boycott misleading sites (2, Informative)

obarthelemy (160321) | more than 9 years ago | (#13308933)

Shouldn't we boycott sites that have those "false windows error message"-type ads ?

Re:Boycott misleading sites (1)

TeknoHog (164938) | more than 9 years ago | (#13308947)

Shouldn't we boycott sites that have those "false windows error message"-type ads ?

They're especially "misleading" (funny in that pathetic kind of way) when you haven't used Windows in a long time :)

Re:Boycott misleading sites (2, Insightful)

Russellkhan (570824) | more than 9 years ago | (#13308961)

No, we should boycott viewing the ads. I find Firefox's adblock extension to be very effective for this.
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