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A World of Warcraft World

CmdrTaco posted more than 8 years ago | from the something-to-think-about dept.

Role Playing (Games) 457

An anonymous reader writes "On ebay people are paying real money to buy WoW gold... while some guy in Korea murdered another guy over a rare sword that existed only in an MMORPG. This essay looks at the way more and more people are failing to draw a distinction between their real and online lives and takes it to its logical, yet utterly insane, conclusion." Amusing, and with more than a few ounces of truth.

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fp bitch (-1, Offtopic)

Anonymous Coward | more than 8 years ago | (#13318523)

fp rc bitches

OMG LOZLZLZ!!! (-1, Offtopic)

Anonymous Coward | more than 8 years ago | (#13318524)

FISRT POST FAGGORTS

frost pist (-1, Offtopic)

Anonymous Coward | more than 8 years ago | (#13318525)

frist psot

Well (5, Insightful)

liquidpele (663430) | more than 8 years ago | (#13318526)

I wouldn't think it was the "online sword" or other objects that are so valuable to someone. I would think it's the fact that you have to spend so much time and effort getting them, that the time and emotional effort spent is valuable enough to them to kill or whatever. Any obsessive gamers want to confirm/deny that?

Re:Well (2, Insightful)

JonN (895435) | more than 8 years ago | (#13318533)

In addition to this, who is to say someone cannot get emotionally attached to something that isn't physical?

Re:Well (0)

Lord Pillage (815466) | more than 8 years ago | (#13318558)

Uhh.... emotional attachment is innately non-physical.

Tell that to this girl I was dating! (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 8 years ago | (#13318627)

Uhh.... emotional attachment is innately non-physical. the "attachment" part implies the emotion connects to other things, which may be physical.

Re:Well (5, Insightful)

try_anything (880404) | more than 8 years ago | (#13318535)

Absolutely right. If the time and effort required to obtain something is real, and the satisfaction derived from it is real, then why does it matter if the object itself is virtual?

The fact that people care so much about a silly game is, however, pathetic in my opinion.

Re:Well (5, Insightful)

Anonymous Coward | more than 8 years ago | (#13318766)

All I would say is that this level of feeling is not some unique nerd-loser quality. See "World Series", "Super Bowl", "Championship Belt", "Formula One", etc.

Isn't this... (-1, Offtopic)

Anonymous Coward | more than 8 years ago | (#13318576)

Shouldn't this be Zonk's story? Or is he too busy boning some bitch from behind on his parent's hardwood floor? WHERE IS ZONK?

Re:Well (-1, Offtopic)

Anonymous Coward | more than 8 years ago | (#13318618)

My name is Anonymous Coward, you stole my first post, prepare to d13!

Re:Well (5, Interesting)

athmanb (100367) | more than 8 years ago | (#13318642)

The sword was worth a good 5000 yuan on the open market. Adjusting that for GDP, that's around $3000 in the US.

Now how many americans have gotten murdered over $3000 or less? A lot.

Re:Well (3, Insightful)

Anonymous Coward | more than 8 years ago | (#13318799)

I do not believe that you can possibly identify a single country, except for perhaps Monaco and Vatican City, where someone has not been murdered for a sum of money less than 3000 USD. So I am not sure why gripe you have against the US that you feel the need to try and turn everything into a failing of the US "social experiment."

GP Score 2???? (-1, Flamebait)

Anonymous Coward | more than 8 years ago | (#13318837)

More than correct. GP spouts bullshit. Mod grandparent down big time as troll, mod parent up as insightful. Or are all of the /. mods too liberal to recognize the truth? (Yes, and this will probably be both ignored in principal and/or modded down by foreigners who dislike america, or liberals (most of which also dislike america for some reason)).

Re:GP Score 2???? (5, Insightful)

secolactico (519805) | more than 8 years ago | (#13318924)

And the trolling and flamebait never ends.

GGP makes a statement. Thin skinned GP take offense at what he obviously believe to be an attack on the U.S. and P spouts inane trolling crap.

And here I am answering for some reason to that crap.

I'm not the GGP but I'll take the liberty to re-phrase what he said:

"A lot of people have been murdered for less than $3000 in almost every country in the world."

There. I believe it's still faithful to the spirit of GGP's post which was something like:

"The man wasn't killed just for an imaginary object in an imaginary world. That object had a value of about $3000 and that is why he died."

Disclaimer: I'm not american nor I live in the U.S. I don't hate America, tho I probably hate a few americans. I also hate people in several countries in all continents. I'm probably a very spiteful person. A country is an abstraction. I can't hate a country any more that I can hate the color blue. But that's just me.

Re:WGet a Grip... (2, Insightful)

Saeed al-Sahaf (665390) | more than 8 years ago | (#13318900)

So I am not sure why gripe you have against the US that you feel the need to try and turn everything into a failing of the US "social experiment."

I think the point the poster is making is that here in the US, violent crime is so common as to be generally un-news worthy, and that the US have a very high violent crime rate. Of course I am not going to quote you numbers, but I'm suggesting that this idea is not arguable.

Re:Well (1)

Keloid Milk (901791) | more than 8 years ago | (#13318645)

i'd confirm that. (yes, as an obsessive gamer) there's something about the investment of time and effort that i can see causing someone to retaliate to that, or a similar situation, with violence. it's not to say that the majority of gamers are so unbalanced that they would resort to murder, but these items that "aren't real" can have definite value that a lot of people don't appreciate beyond the cost of the game.

Puh... (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 8 years ago | (#13318662)

I cheat online, I can get any sword I want.

Honestly, perhaps that is the only way to guard yourself against this kind of crap: non-online games having any real value. Those games have value with me, but as soon as I feel I'm getting too busy playing them, I dig up some cheatcode and check the ending. It's not worth getting your life screwed for some game, or someone elses. Not that there is something seriously wrong with these people that I'm afraid cheatcodes can't help, apart from the fact that some people cheat online games which I firmly oppose.

Re:Well (2, Insightful)

dnoyeb (547705) | more than 8 years ago | (#13318667)

You dont need to be an obsessive gamer. Anything you put time and effort into has value. Someone stealing it has commited a true crime.

Yet in playing the game you must understand that everything within the game mechanics is fair play. Exploits are another story. And its even worse when you get exploited and the parent company does not admit the exploit exists and wont make you right. Or even worse when they deny it exists, then you see a fix in for it a month later, but no reimbursement.

I play eve-online.com and its a blast. But you can't forget its a game. But those unreimbursed exploits!

Re:Well (5, Insightful)

Seumas (6865) | more than 8 years ago | (#13318699)

The comment that was made in the blurb/article about not being able to differentiate between a game and real life is ridiculous. It's inflammatory and biased and baseless. Nobody is making a mental disconnect between the two "places". It's just people with anger issues. Some people get seriously pissed off when someone cuts them off in traffic. They tail them until they can beat the crap out of them. Other people might let their anger get out of hand over a discussion on abortion or religion or the invasion of Iraq or a sports team or getting fouled in a basketball game. Otherwise might do so because they felt screwed over in a game that they'd invested a lot of time in.

Mod parent up (-1, Offtopic)

Siergen (607001) | more than 8 years ago | (#13318857)

Too bad my last set of Mod Points just expired - you echo my thoughts exactly...

Nothing new (1)

EmbeddedJanitor (597831) | more than 8 years ago | (#13318765)

Forever people have been wrapped up in their fantasy personalities/lives. Witness:

Son of Sam. Watches movie and goes around shooting people.

Street racer kids who watch "Too fast Too furious" and go racing around streets killing people.

People that take Oprah/Arnold/whomever as role models.

If you have a boring RealLife(tm) then you are quite likely at risk of taking your more exciting FantasyLife quite seriously and attaching significant value to your FantasyLife.

Or... (5, Funny)

JonN (895435) | more than 8 years ago | (#13318527)

The people are ripe for it. You've heard stories about how ticket sales are plummeting at movie theaters, in favor of home DVD viewing. Why? Why do so many people want to work from home now? Because we're sick of having to sit with other people. We want that extra layer of control that meat interaction will never give us. We want a world without the unpredictability of real, unrestrained humanity. Either that...Or DVD+/-R & DVDwriters prices are coming down.

Re:Or... (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 8 years ago | (#13318567)

some people have in the past months seen nearly half an hour of ads before the film would start

most DVD players you can skip that

Re:Or... (2, Interesting)

Surr3al (800346) | more than 8 years ago | (#13318749)

I find netflix to be far more convenient than going to a theater and paying the extortion rate prices for popcorn and soda.

Re:Or... (4, Insightful)

bladesjester (774793) | more than 8 years ago | (#13318767)

Working from home helps cut down on the money spent on gas now that the prices have become prohibitive.

Renting dvd's also tends to end up being cheaper. Cost of getting to the theater, $10+/ticket in a lot of places, and soda, popcorn, etc. by the time it's all said and done, if more than one person is going to see the movie, it's actually cheaper just to buy the bloody thing in the store when it comes out on dvd.

Avoiding rude people is just kind of an added bonus.

violence (3, Insightful)

stoutpuppy (889407) | more than 8 years ago | (#13318528)

ever consider the benefits of mmorpgs and computer games? ever compared the real violence rate and drug rates between nerds and jocks? jocks are the generally the ones beating peers, raping women and snorting coke. sh~t happens with anything. what doesn't influence people?

Re:violence (1)

a55mnky (602203) | more than 8 years ago | (#13318598)

jocks are the generally the ones beating peers, raping women and snorting coke

Uhm, this is a pretty blanket statement - care to support it with facts

Re:violence (2, Funny)

tacarat (696339) | more than 8 years ago | (#13318691)

The support the poster's assumption that most /. nerds couldn't fight their way out of a wet paper bag, wouldn't know what to do with a woman if they had one (willing or not) and spent all their $$ upgrading something that runs on electricity.

Re:violence (1, Funny)

Anonymous Coward | more than 8 years ago | (#13318865)

I resent that, my vibro wand 2000 just got a pointy attachment upgrade that can now poke me out of a paper bag, and possibly please a woman as well.

Re:violence (1)

Izago909 (637084) | more than 8 years ago | (#13318620)

ever consider the benefits of mmorpgs and computer games?
Well... living in your mothers basement and never having a girlfriend is definately a financial benifit. Although, bad hygene and poor social development may be considered by some to be con.

ever compared the real violence rate and drug rates between nerds and jocks?
Take a knee junior. This type of humor, although not ironical, uses juxtapositioning to present the stereotypical nerd, geek, dweeb, and dork just as irrational as the feared jock when it comes to ones obsession.

jocks are the generally the ones beating peers, raping women and snorting coke. Now who's the one holding the irrational stereotypes. How is your opinion any different that a jock thinking you are going to spend half your life as a virgin? I don't even know where the whole coke thing came in. If you think coke is worse than the massive ammounts of super processed junk food known as the staple of the nerd diet... you have a big suprise coming to you in a few years.

sh~t happens with anything. what doesn't influence people?
Finally, a half way rational statement, "shit happens, things influence people".

Re:violence (2, Funny)

Anonymous Coward | more than 8 years ago | (#13318636)

jocks are the generally the ones beating peers, raping women and snorting coke

i beg to differ - i did coke, raped loads of women, beat up pretty much all of my peers at least once and never really bothered with sports at all

Re:violence (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 8 years ago | (#13318830)

Parent needs to get beaten up and raped by a coked-up nerd ASAP.

Re:violence (5, Funny)

Anonymous Coward | more than 8 years ago | (#13318911)

Parent needs to get beaten up and raped by a coked-up nerd ASAP.
That is one messed up personal ad...

Re:violence (1)

Turn-X Alphonse (789240) | more than 8 years ago | (#13318841)

Nerds also tend to be weaker and smarter.

By being weaker it's harder for us to rape women and smarter means we know better.

Republic of Korea (-1, Offtopic)

Anonymous Coward | more than 8 years ago | (#13318529)

Go RED DEVILS!!

You fools (5, Funny)

Realistic_Dragon (655151) | more than 8 years ago | (#13318530)

How dare you sully the great name of Blizzard? I and my 80 strong army of MC loot equipped legionaires will lead a crusade against you until there is not but one of you left to mock us!

But we need a one hour break from 6-7, Mom will murder me if I'm not there to eat dinner with the familly. Don't worry, this "real world" instance seems to be pretty persistant, our progress wont be lost, just aa few minutes to clear the repop...

Re:You fools (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 8 years ago | (#13318698)

Ok guys looks like we got an attacking guild on our hands. We need a strategy.

Somebody infiltrate their guild ranks and pull a Leeroy.

Re:You fools (1)

ToasterofDOOM (878240) | more than 8 years ago | (#13318776)

I just about peed my pants watching leeroy

LEEROY JEEEENKINS!!!

I was taking this article somewhat serious... (4, Funny)

rogabean (741411) | more than 8 years ago | (#13318536)

until I ran into this:

"Just think of how porn changes when the user also gets to go in with the toned body of an underwear model. It'll make our current online porn look like just the tip of the assberg."

Was that really needed?

Anyway the article smells of someone trying to get posted on /. and not something of actual merit.

Re:I was taking this article somewhat serious... (2, Insightful)

JonN (895435) | more than 8 years ago | (#13318541)

Anyway the article smells of someone trying to get posted on /. and not something of actual merit.

Isn't the biggest reason of releasing something into the public to get acclaim or notice from it? It doesn't matter if this person was trying to get onto /. or not. What matters is if the article itself holds water, which imo it does.

Re:I was taking this article somewhat serious... (5, Funny)

tsm_sf (545316) | more than 8 years ago | (#13318671)

You might have saved yourself a little time if you'd taken note of the article's host domain.

Evolution of Digital Worlds (1)

DumbWhiteGuy777 (654327) | more than 8 years ago | (#13318537)

I have seen this evolution of people in MMO worlds and I'm not liking it so much. It used to be a fairly docile and pleasant place to go and talk to people, but now I can't login to anywhere without someone offering to pay gold to watch a Ranger do a /dance. It's getting really full of jerks and creepy people. Maybe we need to retreat back to MUDs to get away from these folk.

The Real Question (5, Interesting)

Boss Coffee (831374) | more than 8 years ago | (#13318538)

I'd like to see a study on the percentage of people that drop out of college due to WOW and how many actually recover.

Re:The Real Question (2, Insightful)

ebrandsberg (75344) | more than 8 years ago | (#13318656)

It really doesn't matter if it's WoW or something else--I dropped out from college because I was playing on this newfangled thing called the Internet, to the detriment of my studies. This was back in '95, and I got lucky that what I got involved with ended up being my job years later. Somehow though, unless you want to become a chinese gold farmer, I don't think this type of experience will carry over, but it points out that such passions have always occured, be it getting involved with drugs, sex, hobbies, etc. I don't really think this will change that much except the lack of both damage as a whole people do to themselves playing the games, and the lack of anything possibly long-lasting.

sure its real... here's the line blurred for ya. (4, Interesting)

deft (253558) | more than 8 years ago | (#13318539)

Of course these people dont think they live ina fantasy world... but here's the reality of it.

These people have a very real connection to the entertainment, social, and self image (among many other things) aspects of playing this game. The ways you can gain prominence, excell, get friends, make a splash, whatever it is they are talking about (swords and money are prime examples).

When someone takes that from you or offers to sell it to you, it has real world implications to their lives that are no less real than anything else. It does not matter what social construct it is.

Going down to my local club where every girl is dressed up and dancing is also complete surreal to the normal world around me. And if I drive up in a nice car (+5 pimp/has money) and wearing a rolex (+3 nice job) it has effect on that world too. And it's the bsuiness owners job to make it as surreal as possible just like a game... with flashy lights to make the girls look better, and drinks to.... make the girls look better (and the guys too).

It's all about power and these people are just living it with a game as the medium. But it's no less real. Odd maybe, not so accepted, yes, but it's very real... as that guys rage in killing someone demonstrates quite well.

Re:sure its real... here's the line blurred for ya (1)

moviepig.com (745183) | more than 8 years ago | (#13318804)

Of course these people don't think they live in a fantasy world... Odd maybe, not so accepted, yes, but it's very real...

...and not without precedent.

"Reality" has always been defined by what we agree on. Ask any anthropologist, politician, or phone-sex operator...

Mmm.... not so sure.... (4, Interesting)

King_TJ (85913) | more than 8 years ago | (#13318844)

It seems to me that it's just as much of a problem of having a "chronic need to escape reality" if you're blowing all your money at the strip clubs or nightclubs, going out to the movies every single night, taking recreational drugs to escape, or spending most of your waking hours inside an MMORPG.

The way "reality" works in our world, entertainment = escape. The entertainment industry probably prefers you not equate the two so starkly, but I think it's just the facts. All of us have a need to disconnect from our daily lives (the "daily grind" as we so often call it), so we crave some "entertainment" to whisk us away from all those worries and stress for a while. But some people live for the escape itself, not for their lives as a whole. And that spells trouble.

Just because while playing an MMORPG, one might have a real connection to the "social aspects" of the game and so on doesn't mean it's any more "real" than other forms of "escape". Most people hooked on cocaine, heroin, or other drugs tell you that all their friends are doing it, and it's "cool" and so on and so forth, too. It does let them become a part of a particular "social circle" and attain a level of "popularity" they might not otherwise have had ... But again, all of it is ultimately "false", because those "friends" are only connecting because of the common addiction they share.

In Korea... (-1, Troll)

Anonymous Coward | more than 8 years ago | (#13318542)

Only old people kill each other for swords.

As Fark might say.. (4, Informative)

kevin_conaway (585204) | more than 8 years ago | (#13318571)

Personal responsibility surrenders. Its not the game. Its not the weapon. Its not the sex. Its the person!

Re:As Fark might say.. (2, Funny)

LordHatrus (763508) | more than 8 years ago | (#13318870)

> Its not the sex.
Of course not, this is slashdot; we don't get that kind of stuff here...

nerd post, turn back now! (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 8 years ago | (#13318573)

Bonebiter is a quest reward for completing SM.

Can't be Ninjaed. PTFG, author! /stole my cloudsong!

I'll be worried... (5, Funny)

craznar (710808) | more than 8 years ago | (#13318574)

When there is internet cafe's in WoW Inns and Taverns on which I can read the news, read slashdot and even play online games such as WoW.

And what sort of conspiracy that my verify word was 'sorcery' ... mmmm!!!

It can become an addiction (5, Interesting)

Bralkein (685733) | more than 8 years ago | (#13318578)

I used to play EQ [sony.com] a lot, I was pretty hooked on it for about a year. I don't regret it, since I had a lot of fun times, but looking back, I certainly burnt a lot of hours in Norrath. My brother got really hooked on it too, and he's not even the complete nerd that I am. There were certain people there who were pretty terrifying though. For example, I often heard people talking about how they were skipping school in order to spend the day playing the game, and my brother once even got paid (EQ money, but still) to guard someone's character while he took a nap at the keyboard. This guy was so thoroughly obsessed with the game that he wouldn't leave the computer - not even to sleep.

Take these stories as warnings. You might not think yourself capable of such things, and okay, I doubt you'll end up killing anyone, but even a stupid little game can become a major feature in your life if you're not careful. Especially when you have to pay per month, since it's so easily justifiable - you're only getting your money's worth, after all!

Re:It can become an addiction (1, Interesting)

aaza (635147) | more than 8 years ago | (#13318663)

What I have to say is not as bad, and was from the time of the text MUDs. I guy I know once went without sleep for a few days so he didn't have to log off. The problem with logging off was that your character was asleep, and hence vulnerable to anyone who came along.

It can be a problem, but only if you take it seriously. If you treat it as the fun it should be (and not as a life/career etc), then there is no problem.

This sort of problem is not new, but goes all the way back to D&D, and the suicides of people whose character died. (http://www.chick.com/reading/tracts/0046/0046_01. asp [chick.com] for those of you who have not seen it before) If your only social interaction is virtual (either as packets on a network, or stats on a page), then you may have a serious problem on your hands.

What Would Darwin Do? (4, Interesting)

HolyCrapSCOsux (700114) | more than 8 years ago | (#13318593)

Sure... There is the initial, Why would someone kill some guy over something as intangible as an online sword?

K, why would someone kill someone else over something as intangible as the way they honor their preferred deity? There are always people on the fringe of any group whose very fringiness make them outcasts. Online wealth is still wealth. People go to war for essentially the same thing; albeit on a larger scale.

I say, Let Natural selection decide who is the victor, People with intangible swords vs. people with tangible swords and questionable mental stability.

Well hot damn. (1)

Ekiken Tochikura (901847) | more than 8 years ago | (#13318602)

Everquest Syndrome strikes back.

reality (1)

slashdotnickname (882178) | more than 8 years ago | (#13318604)

Let's face it, fantasies can be far better than the reality of most people's lives.

Being a level 10 warlock or clan leader beats being a oft-lonely corporate slave.

Why though, are some online pursuits (such as the above) looked down on? History if full of celebrated poets and prophets that dealt with the fantasies of what life might be.

Re:reality (1)

znaps (470170) | more than 8 years ago | (#13318916)

Very true! It's quite simple really and doesn't require over analysis.

Why distinguish online vs. offline life? (4, Insightful)

G4from128k (686170) | more than 8 years ago | (#13318615)

I don't understand why people ridicule online life and view it as some trivial sideshow to "real" life. The history of human existence shows that people have a penchant for taking many things seriously. Many of these activities reside far outside the realm of pragmatic, utilitarian life. Whether it's being a sports fan, a serious gardener, a breeder of dogs, an avid golfer, a sailboat owner, or any of a thousand other activities, people can become quite immersed. If online gaming "doesn't count," then so many other activities that people invest time in do not count either.

Without these "hobbies," people would be little more than animals -- eating, sleeping, reproducing in the endless cycle of life that we share with even the lowliest bacteria. What distinguishes humans from animals (perhaps only quantitatively) is the extent that we can move beyond the mundane activities of "real" life and explore such a wide range of alternatives.

For the record, I, personally am not into online gaming or sports -- this post is not a personal rant -- but I can see how these activities can become a major part of a person's identity and daily life. As such, it is important to understand and respect (in a love-of-freedom sense, not a politically correct sense) the fact that different people value different things. Its not that some people go overboard on online life vs. real life, its that some people become immersed in a life that is different from the utilitarian vision of a standard life.

Re:Why distinguish online vs. offline life? (-1, Troll)

Anonymous Coward | more than 8 years ago | (#13318815)

boo hoo that's right. People need to respect my right to dress my fat lardy ass in a star trek uniform and masturbate myself while using googlefox os on linux boxen to view radical thought provoking sites like the bbc sci fi archive that I translate into Klingon which I have a degree in. people just dont understand me. it's not right.

All those wacky Asian countries are the same? (5, Informative)

nunchux (869574) | more than 8 years ago | (#13318617)

... while some guy in Korea murdered another guy over a rare sword that existed only in an MMORPG.

CHINA, not Korea. It happened in SHANGHAI. Geez, do a little research, tens of thousands of people are going to read your submission...

http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/8143073/ [msn.com]

Re:All those wacky Asian countries are the same? (1)

WilliamSChips (793741) | more than 8 years ago | (#13318818)

Geez, do a little research, tens of thousands of people are going to read your submission...
You must be new here...

Re:All those wacky Asian countries are the same? (2, Funny)

ChesterTanuki (853370) | more than 8 years ago | (#13318861)

And besides, everyone knows that in Korea, only old people kill people over virtual swords...

Mirror? (1)

maxogden (844677) | more than 8 years ago | (#13318619)

Link is already slashdotted...can someone post the article text or provide mirror please?

FTFA (1)

Raunch (191457) | more than 8 years ago | (#13318621)

For instance, none of the illustrations used in the article below were done with human hands. Each was rendered automatically by a remarkable piece of software called Nedroid, which can scan any piece of text, "read" it for comprehension and, incredibly, render artwork to match the context.

Huh? Nedroid is completely fake.

Re:FTFA (1)

CatherineOmega (863951) | more than 8 years ago | (#13318700)

That WAS the joke, thanks.

Dupe (2, Informative)

melikamp (631205) | more than 8 years ago | (#13318629)

Dupe [slashdot.org]

The Psychology of MMORPGs (5, Interesting)

GISGEOLOGYGEEK (708023) | more than 8 years ago | (#13318640)

Here's a link to a phsychologist who's making his living on studying people who play MMORPG's.

http://www.nickyee.com/daedalus/ [nickyee.com]

I've filled out his surveys for 4 or 5 years.

At the site you may find many tools for characterizing your personality type and how it relates to the alternate reality of the games. As well as analysis of how MMORPG's have affected people en masse.

real and online lives (-1, Troll)

Anonymous Coward | more than 8 years ago | (#13318651)

It's all about fucking philosophy, you can't tell someone whether or not they are living a seperate life online because it would be the same EXACT thing as telling someone they're living a seperate life by sitting down and watching TV or going out and playing football. If you can't make the connection you can stop reading and shoot yourself.

abnormal all the time (1)

Haxx (314221) | more than 8 years ago | (#13318659)


  Anyone who has the capacity to murder a gamer over an in-game item could be expected to show similar strange behavior in real life situations.

Re:abnormal all the time (1)

PenGun (794213) | more than 8 years ago | (#13318744)

Excuse me, I kill everything that moves in a game, FPS is where I play. I have played in RPGs but everyone hates me for murdering them ... hi ho.

  In real life I think carefuly about killing a mosquito.

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OMG! The sky is falling! (0, Troll)

JourneyExpertApe (906162) | more than 8 years ago | (#13318672)

Oh no! Some idiots are spending real money on fake gold! Some stupid kid killed some other kid! Why is it that whenever a couple of crazy people do something crazy, it gets portrayed in the media as an epidemic? Is this taught in Journalism school, or is it something you learn how to do on the job?

Re:OMG! The sky is falling! (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 8 years ago | (#13318694)

No YOU'RE the idiot. Spending money on "fake" gold is the same thing as spending money on a "material item" in the way that this item can be lost or destroyed as quickly as it was bought/created just as "fake" gold can be deleted or dropped from the character in an online game.

Perhaps if you weren't such an ignorant fuckwit (which I know you are) I'd explain more, but not today.

it's the price we gotta pay... (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 8 years ago | (#13318673)

oh it's the price we gotta pay,
and all the games we gotta play,
makes me wonder if it's worth it to carry on

'cause it's a game we gotta lose,
though it's a life we gotta choose,
and the price is our own life until it's done

If you RTFA you will realize (1)

Doom bucket (888726) | more than 8 years ago | (#13318693)

...That this is a satire website, a satire article...(A joke) And also, that this is a dupe from 2 weeks ago?

Re:If you RTFA you will realize (1)

Virak (897071) | more than 8 years ago | (#13318817)

Yes, it may not be serious, but it brings up some good points.

Oh, yeah, it's 1979 D&D all over again! (5, Insightful)

multipartmixed (163409) | more than 8 years ago | (#13318732)

This is nothing more than more of the same crap that surrounded Dungeons & Dragons in the late 70s and the 80s.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dungeons_&_Dragons#Cr iticism_and_controversies [wikipedia.org]

These people behave irrationally not because of the game, but because they are irrational, sick, or sociopathic people.

If these same individuals were in a knitting club, they'd be stabbing each other's eyes out with knitting needles and paying stupid amounts of money for fancy-assed wool to turn into butt-ugly sweaters and scarves. But we don't hear people telling us that knitting is evil -- probably because other people outside the knitting community understand what it's all about.

WoW is serious business (4, Informative)

StandardCell (589682) | more than 8 years ago | (#13318748)

In case you haven't heard how serious (read: messed up or funny, depending on your disposition) MMORPGs can get, have a listen to this:

http://wowseriousbusiness.ytmnd.com/ [ytmnd.com]

This was recorded from a voice chat on WoW. All I can say is...WOW...

Death by Game (1)

dagr8tim (866860) | more than 8 years ago | (#13318751)

This is almost as bad as the news article I read afew days ago where a South Korean man logged into a game at an internet cafe.

About 48-50 hours later, his friends came looking for him and he told them he would be going home soon. Shortly there after, he died. IIRC it was from heart failure from lack of sleep.

Obligatory comment (0, Redundant)

Spy der Mann (805235) | more than 8 years ago | (#13318795)

(I can't believe nobody has posted this before)

1. Play WoW
2. ???
3. Profit!

Now this will prove mom that I was just training for business these days! :D

I know a guy... (4, Interesting)

TerranFury (726743) | more than 8 years ago | (#13318797)

...who met a woman, and dated her, as much in the World of Warcraft as in the real one.

She ended up leaving her husband and moving to an apartment near him just to be with him -- a college kid. Talk about insane!

Poor guy didn't know what'd hit him.

She was po'-white-trash with no job and no education beyond high school. Finally he got enough sense knocked into him to get away from her.

The kid is still addicted to WoW, much to the detriment of his grades and his social life. For all I knock the crap that passes for a "social life," sitting by yourself in a dark room playing MMORPGs sure isn't healthy!

I've been in some bad situations, but man: What happened to him sure makes me feel normal.

MMO's are very addicting (1)

WCMI92 (592436) | more than 8 years ago | (#13318802)

I play SWG, and have for the last 9 months. I went thru the crazy insane grinding that was needed to get a Jedi character, and then to get full template.

Nuts.

But now I am having tons of fun :)

China, not Korea (1)

micah_gideon (671657) | more than 8 years ago | (#13318814)

If you read the related article, you would find that it wasn't a Korean man or even a man in Korea, but rather a Chinese man in China.

MMORPG == digital crack (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 8 years ago | (#13318819)

No matter how strong the will is, it will always succumb to the lower brain functions. If these functions become addicted to something... there is very little you can do, other than seek help from someone. MMORPG Anonymous? Maybe one day certain virtual fantasies will be considered illegal drugs and outlawed.

YOU STOLE MY FUCKING CLOUDSONG! (2, Funny)

Slider (6074) | more than 8 years ago | (#13318820)

http://wowseriousbusiness.ytmnd.com/ [ytmnd.com]

Obligatory YOU STOLE MY FUCKING CLOUDSONG!

The same people have always been there (3, Interesting)

bersl2 (689221) | more than 8 years ago | (#13318822)

participating in a fantasy world. Usually, it's been their own, in their own heads; but now they manifest these behaviors in a public, communal fantasy world, in a way that is widely observable.

Of course, there now are regularly elements that are beyond the control of one person, namely other people; this is where the combination of fantasy and immaturity lead to "bad things".

"End of evolution"? (1, Insightful)

differentiate_this (773934) | more than 8 years ago | (#13318825)

It's the end of evolution, and I welcome it. Some of what this guy is saying is interesting, at the very least, to think about. But, I don't think that last sentence is very true or convincing. Regardless of billions of people "escaping" to the metaverse as he talks about, reality will always catch up. Eventually, some real crisis WILL happen and threaten people's lives but only those who react, those who haven't delved completely into the whole MMORPG, will be the ones who survive. No matter how much a person immerses himself or herself, there are fundamentals of reality that are inescapable and will catch up the more a person runs. But, there is some truth in that we all want to be kings without the responsibility. Just as children are often happy because they enjoy life without many of its responsibilities. I think that, however, we all have to just grow up one day and be proud of the work we do. Otherwise, one day will come when mass death occurs from people's bone structures collapsing from their own weight, heart failure http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/technology/4137782.stm [bbc.co.uk] , or some random bacteria. In the end, natural selection chooses the strongest to survive. And the strongest do not have addictions.

Dupe-a-lupe. (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 8 years ago | (#13318838)

This has been a bad week for slashdot. :(

futility? (1)

Renraku (518261) | more than 8 years ago | (#13318855)

I played WoW for a long time. I lost enough Deathstrikers to mages and priests to know that it doesn't make too big of a difference.

I can still PvP quite well. Very well, infact, with my half-decent equipment.

But even that doesn't matter. Unless you spend horus a day playing, you can never really be well-rewarded for your PvP efforts.

Dupe... (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 8 years ago | (#13318884)

Wow I can't believe this went so long without someone point out that this is a dupe: http://games.slashdot.org/article.pl?sid=05/08/08/ 1959214&tid=209 [slashdot.org] . It was a joke article then, and its still now...yet still tons of serious commentary. Let me know when we start reporting theonion.com articles again.

Who is called Sulva? (2, Insightful)

CustomDesigned (250089) | more than 8 years ago | (#13318902)

FTFA: You'll meet a couple who have been married for years and have never seen each other's real-life faces.

In That Hideous Strength [amazon.com] , Merlin asks Ransom, "Who is called Sulva? What road does she walk? Why is the womb barren on one side? Where are the cold marriages?"

In part, Ransom replies, "... the womb is barren and the marriages cold. There dwell an accursed people, full of pride and lust. There when a young man takes a maiden in marriage, they do not lie together, but each lies with a cunningly fashioned image of the other, made to move and to be warm by devilish arts, for real flesh will not please them, they are so dainty in their dreams of lust. Their real children they fabricate by vile arts in a secret place."

Lewis had modernism pegged way back in the '40s.

Not surprised (2, Interesting)

Robotron23 (832528) | more than 8 years ago | (#13318905)

Back in 2001 when I played UO, I remember hearing of a dude who committed suicide over being scammed out of some valuable possessions worth (back then) about a thousand bucks on eBay. I was scammed a few times in UO myself, and it sucked and I got pissed off over it for awhile - like you would if you were a victim of minor theft. Its pheasable to imagine - if your loss was much greater (equates to bankruptcy/major theft) - that some may kill/assault/commit suicide over it.

I read somewhere that that dudes sword was worth about $600-700 via Ebay, and was very, very rare within the game. My point being is that a lot of people have been killed over non-virtual possessions worth a heck of a lot less, and a lot easier to come by too.

Oh and also, the linked article is just a bunch of incoherant rambling with some bad jokes and satire to boot. Hence, pointlesswasteoftime.com . :P

Seriously...this is the worst story ever posted (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 8 years ago | (#13318906)

Umm...people have been doing this since everquest...and probably even before that...

That's like posting:
"A new study finds that Counter-Strike is addictive and many people play it!"

I'm considering changing my start page...

Virtual and Reality (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 8 years ago | (#13318925)

this is pretty close to the bone, in real life we spend our time going to work to earn money so we can pay the bills and buy stuff we want to have. Its the same within a virtual world, going to work can be considered picking up your sword and slaying a few creatures so you can buy some items that you want. You could say "its just 1's and 0's" well we pay real money for 1's and 0's already in the form of sofware and even the movies and music that entertains us.

People already are making money from playing MMORPG's it's just a short matter of time before it becomes a commonplace job. Game commerce already has the foundations of exchange rates, through ebay and sites that specifically buy and sell items and gold.

4 Words (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 8 years ago | (#13318938)

The sword is real (1)

JanneM (7445) | more than 8 years ago | (#13318945)

Or at least, it's just as real as a piece of music, or a movie, or a book.

They all have it in common that they do not have an intrinsic physical embodiment and they could conceivably be copied endlessly without losing use value for the owner of a copy.

Stealing a virtual sword is if anything a lot worse than making a copy of a record. It's more akin to stealing the actual CD from someone, or making a copy and deleting the original, since you deprive the owner from use of the item.

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