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Xbox360 Pricing, 2 Models at Launch

CmdrTaco posted more than 9 years ago | from the just-gimme-my-doa dept.

XBox (Games) 621

Tom writes "According to news in the LA Times, Microsoft will release two Xbox 360 packages when the console is launched later this year. The basic package will retail for $299 and will not include a hard disk, nor will it include a wireless controller, instead shipping with a wired pad. The second package will retail for $399 and will include a 20 Gb hard disk, wireless controller, wireless headset, Ethernet cable and remote control. No release date has been revealed, but a mid to late November date is expected."

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I've solved which of the next gen systems to buy (0, Offtopic)

Quiet_Desperation (858215) | more than 9 years ago | (#13338374)

I'm just going to buy all three and retire.

Re:I've solved which of the next gen systems to bu (0, Troll)

op12 (830015) | more than 9 years ago | (#13338529)

At this rate you'll have to by 3 versions of each of the 3 consoles before you retire...and possibly more!

Re:I've solved which of the next gen systems to bu (1)

payndz (589033) | more than 9 years ago | (#13338579)

I'm just going to buy all three and retire.

I'm afraid that to afford all three on launch day (plus a game/memory card for each) you'll have to use every last penny in your retirement fund. Hope you enjoy supermarket own-brand beans!

UK buyers screwed again? (1, Interesting)

Anonymous Coward | more than 9 years ago | (#13338377)

I'd put money on us Brits having to pay £299 and £399, with the usual inflated prices.

Re:UK buyers screwed again? (1)

El_Muerte_TDS (592157) | more than 9 years ago | (#13338437)

I hope us Euro country buyers also get the same numbers.

Re:UK buyers screwed again? (-1, Troll)

Anonymous Coward | more than 9 years ago | (#13338439)

UK buyers screwed again?

I heard Britons like it up the ass.

Re:UK buyers screwed again? (4, Informative)

indie1982 (686445) | more than 9 years ago | (#13338468)

Well this has just flashed up on the BBC News latest news ticker...

"Microsoft says price of new Xbox 360 games console will start at £210"

Re:UK buyers screwed again? (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 9 years ago | (#13338505)

I hope so. You Britainers have to pay for extra shipping. You expect something for nothing?

Re:UK buyers screwed again? (2, Insightful)

Jeff DeMaagd (2015) | more than 9 years ago | (#13338526)

I hope so. You Britainers have to pay for extra shipping. You expect something for nothing?

I figured it to be VAT and import taxes.

Re:UK buyers screwed again? (2, Informative)

indie1982 (686445) | more than 9 years ago | (#13338524)

In fact, here's [mcvuk.com] the info!

Make up for losses (-1, Flamebait)

andyic3 (816279) | more than 9 years ago | (#13338378)

This should help them make up for the massive losses on each XBox sale.

Removable Hard Drive (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 9 years ago | (#13338382)

If there was going to be a removable hard drive anyway, I personally would opt to buy the cheap system and then get the hard drive addon without all the extraneous accessories that will be used sparingly.

Re:Removable Hard Drive (1)

R.D.Olivaw (826349) | more than 9 years ago | (#13338497)

" If there was going to be a removable hard drive anyway, I personally would opt to buy the cheap system and then get the hard drive addon without all the extraneous accessories that will be used sparingly."
Where I live, if I decide to buy the HD and the wireless controller, it would already cost more than 100$ so an extra 100$ for all the extras doesn't look too steep. On the other hand, the xbox does not feature on my to-buy list. I hope Sony comes up with a similar deal.

f1rst p0st!!!! (-1, Offtopic)

Anonymous Coward | more than 9 years ago | (#13338385)

f1st p0st!!!!

Dumbest "Package" Ever (-1, Troll)

zoomba (227393) | more than 9 years ago | (#13338387)

Just so they can claim to have a sub-200 price point, they're shipping a unit that won't even properly function! The hard drive is key to the XBox if you want to, you know, SAVE your progress (unless they plan on selling memory sticks, which I haven't heard anything on yet). It even lacks Live capability since it lacks Ethernet.

The starter package for the 360 is just a complete joke.

Re:Dumbest "Package" Ever (5, Insightful)

akhomerun (893103) | more than 9 years ago | (#13338395)

haven't heard of memory sticks for the xbox?

Tell me, have you seen the front of the console??? The Memory Slots are RIGHT THERE!!

I'd say the $399 deal is pretty good considering it comes with just about everything, and given the fact that you can't buy a laptop hard drive yourself for under $70

Re:Dumbest "Package" Ever (1, Funny)

tgrimley (585067) | more than 9 years ago | (#13338418)

Have you seen the front of the console???

the memory sticks go in the controllers..

Re:Dumbest "Package" Ever (2, Informative)

akhomerun (893103) | more than 9 years ago | (#13338501)

the memory sticks go in the controllers..

no, seriously, the memory sticks go in the console.

The Xbox 360 [teamxbox.com]

The Xbox 360 Controller (left) [teamxbox.com]

Re:Dumbest "Package" Ever (1)

calibanDNS (32250) | more than 9 years ago | (#13338534)

You might want to go look at the pictures of the console at the official XBox 360 website [xbox360.com] . There are two slots on the front of the console labled "Memory Unit A" and "Memory Unit B". I think it's safe to assume that that these two slots will be used for memory sticks.

Re:Dumbest "Package" Ever (1)

andyic3 (816279) | more than 9 years ago | (#13338402)

Yeah, but it's great for pirates. A pirate can buy the cheap one, add a hard drive, mod chip (if one is released), then play their games. They won't be playing them online anyway.

Re:Dumbest "Package" Ever (2, Insightful)

Anonymous Coward | more than 9 years ago | (#13338409)

My Xbox didn't come with an Ethernet cable either, and it works perfectly fine on Live.

And yes, if you've been paying *any* attention at all, the Xbox 360 will have memory card slots. They're very, very visible on the front of the console.

Re:Dumbest "Package" Ever (5, Informative)

calibanDNS (32250) | more than 9 years ago | (#13338411)

It even lacks Live capability since it lacks Ethernet.


The $299 version doesn't ship with an ethernet CABLE, it still has an ethernet jack on the box though.

Re:Dumbest "Package" Ever (1)

Trigun (685027) | more than 9 years ago | (#13338594)

Considering the last Xbox branded Ethernet cable that I saw was $35 dollars CDN for a 5 metre cable, they should be able to knock down the price a bit more.

Re:Dumbest "Package" Ever (2, Funny)

Anonymous Coward | more than 9 years ago | (#13338600)

I thought you needed a Monster Cable Xbox Ethernet Cable [walmart.com] to get the most out of Live. Your bits simply don't flow as smoothly through brand-X cables.

Re:Dumbest "Package" Ever (3, Insightful)

Nairoz (856164) | more than 9 years ago | (#13338417)

Well, it makes sense - when people complain about the price of the "deluxe" package, it can be pointed out that the "standard" package is cheaper.

A potential customer looks at the price of the standard package, then looks at the price of the deluxe one... "So I get all this stuff for a little bit more money? Ring me up!"

Plus it'll look nice in the catalogue... "Xbox 360, only $299!". Joe Average buys it for his kids, as it's "cheaper than those other consoles", not knowing it's about as useful as a brick without a hard drive.

Re:Dumbest "Package" Ever (2, Insightful)

Drooling Iguana (61479) | more than 9 years ago | (#13338466)

So, in other words, bait and switch.

Re:Dumbest "Package" Ever (1)

Nairoz (856164) | more than 9 years ago | (#13338485)

In other words, sell as many consoles as possible... the trick is, people still need to buy games for them.

Re:Dumbest "Package" Ever (1)

zoomba (227393) | more than 9 years ago | (#13338435)

Bah, go ahead and mod my original down... My reading comprehension skills are at an all-time low today :P

Re:Dumbest "Package" Ever (1)

cyclomedia (882859) | more than 9 years ago | (#13338458)

>The starter package for the 360 is just a complete joke.

You're assuming that everyone who will buy a 360 is an online gaming uber geek. MS may well want to target the sleek model at normal human beings who could be persuaded to get due to it having a lot MORE features than your average DVD player.

i suppose you also think that two slice toasters are "dumb" when there are four sliced bsd powered models available.

This is news how? (1, Insightful)

Anonymous Coward | more than 9 years ago | (#13338388)

I don't see what's new about this, the decision has been known for quite some time and the LA Times is not an "official" soruce any more than the dozen of other artices we've seen about this.

Who am I kidding, this is /. the story will get duped before the day is over

Great (1)

Vampyre_Dark (630787) | more than 9 years ago | (#13338389)

A gigantic rift in the XBox standard. Screwing both the soccer moms who will no doubt get confused buying games for little johnny that require the HD when he doesn't have one.

well, that will probably be bad (5, Insightful)

realmolo (574068) | more than 9 years ago | (#13338394)

If the "cheap" model doesn't have a hard drive, that means that developers aren't going to use the thing in their games.

I assume you'll still be able to use it for saving games, but what about multiplayer stuff? Are new levels going to go on the memory card? And didn't I read something about MS using HUGE memory cards for the Xbox 360? Like, 1Gigabyte cards or something?

I'm just surprised they would split the market like that. But they're MS, they're crazy.

Re:well, that will probably be bad (2, Interesting)

staed (663422) | more than 9 years ago | (#13338415)

Isn't it possible that games will save your progress to a harddrive if one is present and if not it will save to a memory stick? Wouldn't be too hard to implement.

Re:well, that will probably be bad (1)

Surt (22457) | more than 9 years ago | (#13338563)

Presumably that's even hidden from developers by an API. It would be stupid not to.

Re:well, that will probably be bad (1)

Holi (250190) | more than 9 years ago | (#13338525)

I don't know where you read that they would have 1 gig memory cards. The Xbox 360 peripherials paga [xbox.com] says that they will be 64 megs.

Not a bad deal (4, Interesting)

fewnorms (630720) | more than 9 years ago | (#13338396)

So, a 100 dollars will get you a 20 Gb hard disk, wireless controller, wireless headset, Ethernet cable and remote control? Not a bad deal. I do wonder how many people would actually get the "no hard disk" version.
On the other hand, it's still an expensive piece of kit, and odds are the version without a hard disk will still have the connectors on the inside, happily protected by "warranty void when opened".

Re:Not a bad deal (2, Informative)

calibanDNS (32250) | more than 9 years ago | (#13338445)

odds are the version without a hard disk will still have the connectors on the inside, happily protected by "warranty void when opened".

As I understand it, all models of the XBox 360 will support an external removeable hard drive; the $399 version just ships with said hard drive. If you get the $299 version you'll still be able to buy the hard drive add-on seperately without voiding the warranty or even opening the 360.

Re:Not a bad deal (2, Insightful)

Enigma_Man (756516) | more than 9 years ago | (#13338530)

I think the point is you'll probably pay $150 for a $50 drive, instead of being able to install any extra drives you have lying around.

-Jesse

Re:Not a bad deal (0)

Caspian (99221) | more than 9 years ago | (#13338451)

No one will fucking buy the $299 version. This is ridiculous. This is just so they can say "our console starts at $299!", but in reality, you'll have to slap down $400+ to get a 'real' Xbox.

Re:Not a bad deal (1)

shotfeel (235240) | more than 9 years ago | (#13338457)

I guess I was thinking the opposite. To me it sounds like getting $50 worth of stuff for $100.

For that, couldn't they at least make it a 120 GB HD so people can use it for more stuff? Let's face it, 20 GB is overboard for saving games, but not enough if its supposed to be some sort of media center.

Still no game? (1)

frankthechicken (607647) | more than 9 years ago | (#13338398)

Why do these game systems still refuse to be released with a game included?

On a different topic, how many games are going to feature a sticker stating that it "Requires X-Box hard drive"?

Hopefully MS will allow gamers to upgrade the product.

Re:Still no game? (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 9 years ago | (#13338436)

Because not everyone will want the same game. I mean there must be someone who got an X-Box who didn't want Halo, surely?

The shops will do bundle deals, adding an extra $50-100 for some games. Usually the worst ones they can't shift.

Re:Still no game? (1)

akhomerun (893103) | more than 9 years ago | (#13338443)

it's pretty obvious that none of you here have even looked at pictures of the console. the hard drive is basically a removeable laptop drive that sticks out of the top of the console. of course you'll be able to buy one.

Re:Still no game? (1)

frankthechicken (607647) | more than 9 years ago | (#13338513)

True I hadn't seen any photos. So I thought I'd have a quick look [teamxbox.com] .

Seems like a good, practical idea.

Re:Still no game? (1)

Jeff DeMaagd (2015) | more than 9 years ago | (#13338491)

Why do these game systems still refuse to be released with a game included?

If they are trying to lose money on every system to make up for it in game licences, then it doesn't make sense to include a game. It's an extra development expense to make a game that doesn't need to be spent, especially as most games don't have universal appeal.

I'm sure Sam's Club or Walmart will have an inexpensive bundle, and you can chose whether to buy the bundle or not.

failure (4, Interesting)

skatephat420 (803185) | more than 9 years ago | (#13338400)

What better way to make no one want to buy your system than to release two different systems off the bat. If they were smart they would hold off because there just isn't a market for a new system right now. I think I'll wait and get the final version, you know, when they are ready.

Expectations are the mother of all sorrow

harddrive bluff poker (-1)

Anonymous Coward | more than 9 years ago | (#13338401)

first promising hd, then bailing out. just to make it look nicer compared to ps3. cheap.

Cutting it close on the release date (2, Insightful)

G4from128k (686170) | more than 9 years ago | (#13338407)

If they want a successful launch then they really need this thing out well before Thanksgiving. And they'd better have the retail channel well stocked for Black Friday (the day after Thanksgiving). Any production snafus or delays are going to kill holiday sales and create a bunch of unhappy customers.

Re:Cutting it close on the release date (1)

Dal Platinum (829197) | more than 9 years ago | (#13338538)

If they want a successful launch, then they should probably wait. It's too soon.

Sony's 'soon' release date is probably putting the shits up MS, so they are going to try to be clever and jump the gun.

Meanwhile, Sony will be laughing and saying something like 'hahaha, silly Americans jump gun, we not release for another year. eat our collective ass'

I'm not a zealot either way, I have a PS2 and an XBOX, although I only bought the Xbox for media centre use, and I'm not sure if MS are taking that part of their sales into consideration.

Just like SEGA (1, Insightful)

glowimperial (705397) | more than 9 years ago | (#13338420)

Confusing consumers with multiple hardwares hasn't worked well for other companies in the past. Especially since the $299 360 is basically a doorstop. And if you say want a second controller and a game, you the functional version is gonna cost you $500 easy, on the first day.

So.. entry level or luxury? (2, Interesting)

plasmacutter (901737) | more than 9 years ago | (#13338422)

This seems rather polar.. you either get bargain basement or everything they can cram into it.. and no in betweens?

What If you don't want wireless? What if you play rpg's for hours on end and want the comfort your control won't run out of batteries, but still want a hard drive and ethernet?

Re:So.. entry level or luxury? (2, Informative)

calibanDNS (32250) | more than 9 years ago | (#13338487)

What if you play rpg's for hours on end and want the comfort your control won't run out of batteries, but still want a hard drive and ethernet?

Then you buy the external hard drive as an add-on (it's a removable, external drive) and buy an ethernet CABLE. Note that both versions will have an ethernet jack, the $399 version just also includes an ethernet cable.

Re:So.. entry level or luxury? (1)

plasmacutter (901737) | more than 9 years ago | (#13338517)

oh my.. you telling me this console will have EXTERNAL hard drives? is this independent of model?.. in other words the deluxe version comes with external too? If this is the case they'll NEVER detect a moded xbox! They shafted themselves!

Re:So.. entry level or luxury? (2, Informative)

Metal_Demon (694989) | more than 9 years ago | (#13338516)

"What If you don't want wireless? What if you play rpg's for hours on end and want the comfort your control won't run out of batteries, but still want a hard drive and ethernet?"

You plug in the wireless controller...(you can play wired with the wireless controller).

Actual LA Times link (5, Insightful)

a16 (783096) | more than 9 years ago | (#13338426)

Why are stories being allowed where the author links to his own website, which just references an original article elsewhere so that the author can gain ad impressions?

The actual link to the original story is here [latimes.com] .

Re:Actual LA Times link (1)

menor (112914) | more than 9 years ago | (#13338481)

Because the LA Times requires registration?

Re:Actual LA Times link (1)

a16 (783096) | more than 9 years ago | (#13338625)

No, it doesn't. Did you bother to click the link?

Re:Actual LA Times link (1)

bangzilla (534214) | more than 9 years ago | (#13338499)

Well, notwithstanding that this is waaaaaays off topic: The reason is that it doesn't matter from where the news submission comes, as long as it is accurate and interesting (insightful etc...).

Re:Actual LA Times link (2, Informative)

sweeney37 (325921) | more than 9 years ago | (#13338605)

not to mention that Major Nelson has confirmed it on his blog [majornelson.com] .

Mike

Don't get caught up in pre-release rumors (2, Interesting)

cyberlotnet (182742) | more than 9 years ago | (#13338434)

To sell a version without harddrive would be stupid

1. Used for saved games
2. Free parts XBOX Live needs hard drive to save content

They would be killing 2 of the most important aspects of the gaming system if they did this.

1. Developers would be unable to rely on the ability of a customer to save games, customers would be turned off and annoyed once they figured this out

2. XBOX Live argueably one the reasons the XBOX was so successfull in the first place would be neutered which would directly harm there marketshare and continued dominance in the consule online market

Re:Don't get caught up in pre-release rumors (3, Insightful)

Vo0k (760020) | more than 9 years ago | (#13338493)

Yeah, So the customers go buy $299 XBOX and a week later $99 hard-drive extension, $49 wireless controller+headset and $69 ethernet extension. And developers just release games with notice "This game requires hard drive".

Re:Don't get caught up in pre-release rumors (1)

p0rnking (255997) | more than 9 years ago | (#13338581)

I remember reading (can't remember where though), that M$ told game developers to develop their games to take advantage of the harddrive, but the games must also must work without one.

Re:Don't get caught up in pre-release rumors (1)

belgar (254293) | more than 9 years ago | (#13338506)

I would guess that, for the Live data, MS will probably have server-side storage set aside for each user, if they are hard-drive-challenged.
 
The machine without a HD is still ass, but it does provide an alternative. And why wouldn't they include game save storage space, at least in the form of something solid-state and built-in? That is so 90s.
 
  Gah. I'll stick with my 200GB modded original xboxes, thanks.....

Re:Don't get caught up in pre-release rumors (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 9 years ago | (#13338578)

Au contraire... selling a version without a harddrive is brilliant, if Microsoft encourages the sale and use of large Flash memory cards.

The 8MB flash memory cards for PS2s and Nintendos are a joke. I can buy a 1GB SD or CF card for $60 and haul it practically anywhere without having to baby it. Why on earth shouldn't I be able to save my games and keep my persistent, and according to Microsoft's plans, purchased Xbox Live content on an flash card that I can haul with me to my friend's house, my second home, or where ever...

Selling a version without a harddrive will force developers to use the flash memory card for persistent storage. That is exactly the way that the system should work. Sure, if you want the Xbox 360 to serve as a media center, it'd be nice to have a hard drive for storage, but what if I already have network accessible storage and want to use Windows Media Connect and the ginormous hard drive on my computer to store the media instead?

Frankly, those are only the most obvious reasons why a harddrive is superfluous for any of my purposes. I look forward to not having to pay for one. The lack of a wireless controller may be a quibble, but we shall see.

Where the hell are they getting 20GB drives? (5, Insightful)

denis-The-menace (471988) | more than 9 years ago | (#13338446)

Theses days you can't buy anything smaller than a 60/80GB unless it's used.

Re:Where the hell are they getting 20GB drives? (2, Insightful)

Name Anonymous (850635) | more than 9 years ago | (#13338484)

You can still get 20GB laptop drives easily. Also 1.8" drives come in 20GB size. Also, for OEM purchases, a disk manufacturer will make whatever the OEM wants (if it is technically feasible).

Re:Where the hell are they getting 20GB drives? (5, Funny)

ChrisF79 (829953) | more than 9 years ago | (#13338607)

Ebay.

Re:Where the hell are they getting 20GB drives? (2, Interesting)

fwitness (195565) | more than 9 years ago | (#13338628)

This is known as the "dirty little secret" of HDDs, that MS learned a bit too late. HDDs do not get cheaper anymore, they just get bigger. I suspect that this is probably going to be a laptop 2.5" HDD though, which you can stil buy in smaller sizes. For now...

How unfortunate (1)

ChozCunningham (698051) | more than 9 years ago | (#13338449)

I've been very happy with my original XBox to date, and was looking forward to it's sequel, expecting a more refined Xbox Live experience, and another painless funbox. Now, with innovative games seeming to be an exclusive property of the Nintendo DS handheld, and this piecemeal marketing strategy of the XB360, I'm pretty un-enthused these days about the next-gen of home consoles. That's sad.

Halo (0, Troll)

rlp (11898) | more than 9 years ago | (#13338456)

That's a lot of money to play Halo. My resident expert on consoles (my daughter) tells me that people buy the Xbox primarily for the Halo series of games. Also, that the current incarnation of the machine has serious stability / quality problems.

Re:Halo (4, Interesting)

Gulthek (12570) | more than 9 years ago | (#13338569)

You might want better info.

I own an XBox, but not either of the Halos.

It has never crashed.

Many people I know own an XBox for XBox Media Center.

I own it for the games. (Splinter Cell and Ninja Gaiden especially.) Most of which use the system's true 5.1 surround sound support.

Now I wonder how soon... (1)

Vo0k (760020) | more than 9 years ago | (#13338465)

...till we see games "This game doesn't work with XBOX 360 Basic. XBOX 360 Extended version required."

HD not as integral as most people put it out to be (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 9 years ago | (#13338469)

On the current gen xboxes, i'd reckon most consumers barely fill up 100mb so of their HD. Your saves can always be 'saved' on the memory cards.

Given the pricing, the $399 version is a no brainer. Decent after market accessories (controllers, headsets, and remote controls that don't suck) are already are priced around $20+ each for these things.

how lame is this (1)

jgionet (828557) | more than 9 years ago | (#13338473)

why on gods good earth would they release a model without a HD? Having a hard drive in it is the BEST thing for a console. Even sony realized this with ths Playstation and Nintendo will eventually wakeup and realise the same thing. I for one won't be buying the non-hd model as I find it to be a waste of money.

Pricing (1)

kent, knower of all (47897) | more than 9 years ago | (#13338475)


Considering what one's buying, I think the price points are about $100 too high. Not that I'll be buying either one, but I think that the prices should be closer to:

$199 for starter system
$299 for complete system

Re:Pricing (1)

menor (112914) | more than 9 years ago | (#13338527)

They're waiting to drop the prices until the PS3 comes out, so they look like they're giving more for less (or equal).

Re:Pricing (1)

GrayCalx (597428) | more than 9 years ago | (#13338580)

Welcome to 2005, things cost more now. $199? Thats how much the gas costs for Microsoft to ship it to your EBX.

/Except back to school deals at Dell! Computers for cheap cheap cheap. blech.

DUMB idea (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 9 years ago | (#13338486)

If history has shown us anything about consoles, it's that developers won't utilize a hardware feature unless it's in EVERY SINGLE CONSOLE. I'd expect limited use of the hard drive ... saved games only? Whee.

Xbox is now dead (0, Troll)

mrshowtime (562809) | more than 9 years ago | (#13338509)

I thought I was hearing good things about the 360. I though Microsoft was actually going to have a huge advantage via using Xbox live to download new content, levels, games, etc, but now that's gone. I was hearing all sorts of cool things about being able to design your own games/levels and being able to share via Xbox live. That's gone too...

I don't see how saving essentially $10, or less, now by omitting the harddrive and then charging a $100 more to get it, will drive sales. Has Microsoft forgotten that a $399.99 system will not sell, even in 2005. Also M$ has forgotten that the a-holes at the game stores will jack up the price of the system by putting everything into "packs" so that $399 system will end up costing $599 if you want one anytime soon.

I keep on hearing that M$ is going to use solid state memory. If so, I don't see how it could be any cheaper than a hard drive.

I don't understand why M$ seems to be pulling their punches, they only have $40 BILLION dollars in the bank.

Sony... (1)

BlackCobra43 (596714) | more than 9 years ago | (#13338583)

I don't understand why M$ seems to be pulling their punches, they only have $40 BILLION dollars in the bank.

You say that as if Sony didn't also have a massive war chest for just such a situation

Re:Xbox is now dead (1)

SeekerDarksteel (896422) | more than 9 years ago | (#13338620)

Has Microsoft forgotten that a $399.99 system will not sell, even in 2005.

It won't? Damn, I should ask you for the numbers to next weeks lottery drawing. While we're at it, who's going to win the Superbowl this year?

No, but seriously, you're basing this on what now? A single console? Released several years ago? Not exactly a mountain of evidence for your claim.

Another assault on the working poor (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 9 years ago | (#13338514)

Reserving usability for the rich, leaving the poor without headsets - leaving them with lower scores in the games, leaving the poor out of clans that extensively use voice communication. It's clear that Microsoft is classist.

IGN has more info (3, Informative)

fixmyship (802069) | more than 9 years ago | (#13338518)

The IGN article has more info on the differences in the two versions. http://xbox360.ign.com/articles/642/642656p1.html/ [ign.com]

Ignoring the inherant dangers... (1, Insightful)

HaloZero (610207) | more than 9 years ago | (#13338533)

From being a first-adopter of this technology, what games will be available at release? I could almost see this being a system where it's game development will fall horribly short, just because the hardware is being rushed out the door. The sooner the Xbox360 is placed on the market, the faster software developers will have to force their code through QA and proper testing to try and make the retail launch date. Anyone remember KotoR for Xbox? Not the best example, but it didn't have to be. That game had so many little glitches and bugs, that if you turned around a corner too fast, it took a dump in your lap. Hope you saved within ten footsteps! That, or have absolutely no titles on the shelves next to the console, which is kinda primo retarted when you think about it.

Wireless controllers (1)

Winterblink (575267) | more than 9 years ago | (#13338536)

I'm largely leaning towards the PS3 for the next-gen consoles, but one of the features that always caught my attention with the 360 was the wireless controllers. I know the PS3 will support the same thing, but Microsoft made such a big hoo-hah about this during their unveiling I figured it would be a standard feature at launch, for any package.

It's pretty disappointing they're making people shell out another hundred bucks to buy a launch package that includes a wireless controller (presumably they can be bought separate, but good luck finding one at launch).

It just works (3, Insightful)

Jakhel (808204) | more than 9 years ago | (#13338543)

Since there will be different versions of the XBox 360, does that mean that console game makers will now be putting "system requirements" on console games?

Wasn't one of the main reasons people said they preferred console games to PC games because they didn't have to worry about their system being able to handle running the game? Because it "just works"? Now console gamers have to be mindful of system requirements as well.

Same Mistake (1)

Antimatter3009 (886953) | more than 9 years ago | (#13338546)

When Sony announced that their basic console would not ship with an HD everyone jumped on them because developers would be less inclined to use functionality that not everyone would have. The original Xbox had a huge advantage in this because developers could always expect the HD to be present, and therefore would use it well, whereas the PS2's HD was barely ever used because not everyone had one. I really think both of them are misstepping by having more than one version of their console. If I want to worry about my hardware I go to my computer. I expect all my console games to just work. Really, of the big three this gen, Nintendo is the only one doing things right so far (and this is coming from someone who owns an Xbox and PS2, but no Gamecube).

This is what you get... (1)

Bogtha (906264) | more than 9 years ago | (#13338552)

This is what you get when you let a computer company like Microsoft build a console instead of an appliance company like Sony.

This kind of schism will not bother those of us who are used to dealing with computers and their various configurations, but it will alienate everyone who expects their console to be an appliance that Just Works[tm].

The only reason people put up with the myriad configurations computers can come in is because a) requirements vary drastically and b) it's the way it's always been. Neither of these are true in the case of gaming consoles.

Marketing responsible? (1)

OK PC (857190) | more than 9 years ago | (#13338555)

The only point of the basic package is so they can say "look we made the $299 price mark!" But without a hard drive, they've pretty much shot themselves in the foot. The proper console is $399, hard drive is not standard, so Sony must be laughing all the way to the bank. Which is a shame because I actually thought Microsoft were going to do something special

Official Pricing (1)

cmarks03 (900042) | more than 9 years ago | (#13338567)

Just saw this while reading the page /. linked to. This is official. http://www.pro-g.co.uk/news/nid/1307/ [pro-g.co.uk] $299 for core package. $399 for better package.

so wait. (1)

bk_veggie (807894) | more than 9 years ago | (#13338576)

if both my friend and i buy the 'cheap' model, we can't play two player games at eachothers house, because it only has one controller input? Brilliant!

Target market? Playstation owners (1)

belgar (254293) | more than 9 years ago | (#13338587)

I'm a little slow on the uptake on this one, but the more I think about it (and after seeing a pic of the topside of the wireless controller), the more I realize this machine is made to capture the mindshare of current playstation owners -- not satisfy current xbox owners.
 
Look at a few of the features that are different from the original xbox:

- Memory card slots in the front (which I hate seeing there -- I'd pay $100 for a model that *didn't* have these on the front of the box)

- FOUR trigger buttons instead of two

- OPTIONAL hard drive

These are all "features" that PS 1/2 owners are used to. More familiarity, lower barrier to entry for switchers, blah blah.
 

no way i'm paying another $100 to mister gates (-1, Troll)

Anonymous Coward | more than 9 years ago | (#13338588)

I'll buy the basic version. There are a million cheap hard drives floating around (easily $20 or less for a 20 gig drive) and i don't need the remote control, ethernet cable, headset, or wireless controller, although when i buy an extra controller for 2 players it will probably be wireless.

Stupid! (1)

dr.banes (823348) | more than 9 years ago | (#13338618)

Dumbest idea I've ever heard of. This will just cause confusion, and at launch thats not a good thing. I'd rather see a $350.00 version at launch with everything included. Then 6 mos-1yr down the line release a 249.00-299.00 stripped down version.If one thing Sony has right is consistency and a much better advertising/PR firm than M$.

Dumbest thing MS can do (1)

ahhell (901552) | more than 9 years ago | (#13338621)

Does none of these companies look at the past mistakes of other companies? Christsake....360 with no hard drive is just going to be a fancy PS2. Someone needs to kick the all marketing guys at MS in balls repeatedly. I'd be first in line. What dumbasses!!!

Go PS3! (1)

ActionAL (260721) | more than 9 years ago | (#13338627)

Don't buy a XBOX360 you crazies! We need to purchase the PS3 in order to make sure Microsoft is utterly slaughtered in this next gen video game system competition.

Wait, so... (2, Insightful)

dividedsky319 (907852) | more than 9 years ago | (#13338634)

So lets see here...

Two different versions... And the more expensive version doesn't even come with a wireless adapter... that's another HUNDRED bucks.

Baaaaaaad move on Microsoft's part. Out of fear that their games won't sell as well, publishers are going to have to design their games to not need the hard drive... either that, or everyone without a hard drive is going to have an expensive paperweight when games still require the hard drive.

This is going to lead to a fragmentation of the Xbox owning public, which is a bad thing for everybody... the consumer, and the gaming companies.
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