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Mac OS X on x86 Videos Get Apple's Attention

ScuttleMonkey posted more than 8 years ago | from the almost-getting-away-with-it dept.

OS X 758

RetrogradeMotion writes "The OSx86 Project is reporting that Apple has served a legal notice to MacBidouille, a French news site that posted videos and instructions on running Mac OS X on x86 hardware . You can find an English translation of the MacBidouille notice on the OSx86Project's forums. This is the first known legal action by Apple regarding the hacked version of OS X and calls into doubt the future of other news sites, similar to the OSx86 Project." Slashdot previously covered the story of hacking Mac OS X onto non-Apple hardware and followed up again a few days later.

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758 comments

Followed up? (5, Funny)

Anonymous Coward | more than 8 years ago | (#13343495)

Is that new-speak for duped?

Re:Followed up? (1)

tehwebguy (860335) | more than 8 years ago | (#13343558)

rofl this is exactly what i was thinking as i clicked the replies button

Intelligent Design (-1, Offtopic)

Jeremiah Cornelius (137) | more than 8 years ago | (#13343652)

President Bush used to be content to revel in his own ignorance. Now he wants to share it with America's schoolchildren.
- Jacob Weisberg, Evolution vs. Religion

Re:Followed up? (5, Funny)

plj (673710) | more than 8 years ago | (#13343667)

War is Peace
Freedom is Slavery
Ignorance is Power
Duplicates are News

embrace it! (1, Funny)

dave420 (699308) | more than 8 years ago | (#13343501)

come on, apple... do it!

and give me some freakin' nvidia kexts that work, dammit.

Re:embrace it! (4, Insightful)

FLAGGR (800770) | more than 8 years ago | (#13343570)

Yeah, even though they make so much money of their hardware, I'm sure they'll realize how cool it is and embrace their os, most copies of which are stolen developer previews, running on hardware that they make nothing off of.

Re:embrace it! (1)

hobbesx (259250) | more than 8 years ago | (#13343592)

running on hardware that they make nothing off of.


Isn't this how most software companies work?

Re:embrace it! (1)

Lord Pillage (815466) | more than 8 years ago | (#13343712)

Apple != most software companies.

Re:embrace it! (1)

FLAGGR (800770) | more than 8 years ago | (#13343743)

Who do you think makes more money, Apple, or some random software company? Thats right.

Also, if they switch, then they start over with a marketshare of 0%, and have to fight against Windows brand recognition, and against the people that depend on certain parts or apps in windows. Not cool.

So it starts... (5, Interesting)

NickCatal (865805) | more than 8 years ago | (#13343505)

Apple is going to have YEARS of this ahead of them... I'm just waiting for Apple Jobs to have about 300 postings for "Piracy Specialist" to open up. M$ has to have an entire building just for their piracy group.

Re:So it starts... (3, Interesting)

RAMMS+EIN (578166) | more than 8 years ago | (#13343624)

``M$ has to have an entire building just for their piracy group.''

No, because most people pay for the OS when they buy a machine, and companies often take group licenses for software (MS Office, SQL Server, ...). I wouldn't be surprised if Microsoft had sold more copies of Windows than there were people using computers.

Also, every computer that runs Windws, pirated or not, strengthens Microsoft's position. The people using that computer will be used to Microsoft software, and likely prefer to use that over alternatives. Thus, pirated copies of your software keep the users away from the competition, and may lead to sales further down the road. You don't want to alienate those users by trying to make them pay.

Of course, if some group is massively pirating your software, it may be better to do something about that group. But even for that you don't need a whole building of drones; you can get the FBI to help you.

Re:So it starts... (3, Interesting)

jcr (53032) | more than 8 years ago | (#13343653)

Apple is going to have YEARS of this ahead of them...

Maybe, but I doubt it. Running a shipping version of OS X on a generic PC isn't going to be as easy as using the old "Magic Sack", which let you plug Mac ROMS into an Atari ST.

They can tie it to encryption keys on their mother boards, they can use custom microcode in the GPU, they could even get Intel to make them slightly modified CPUs that are only available to Apple.

-jcr

Hrmm... (0)

AcheronHades (837485) | more than 8 years ago | (#13343507)

Would they really care about sueing people over this if they had no intention of releasing a version specifically for x86 hardware?

Re:Hrmm... (1)

Svenne (117693) | more than 8 years ago | (#13343540)

No, they probably would not. What is your point?

Re:Hrmm... (4, Insightful)

wankledot (712148) | more than 8 years ago | (#13343571)

Probably.

Suing someone to stop them from doing something sometimes means they actually don't want anyone to do it. Apple has a very obvious reason to keep OS X off of generic PCs, and I'm sure they're happy to flex a little muscle when someone obviously broke their NDA and provided OS X x86 to someone else, gave a public demo of it, or provided info on it.

Re:Hrmm... (1)

FLAGGR (800770) | more than 8 years ago | (#13343599)

Yes, they want people to buy Apple made hardware, not install it on their dell's. And, its kind of a dumb question, if Apple didn't have any intention of releasing it on x86, then the people that are doing this wouldn't have the x86 port of os x to run, so none of this would matter (they are just taking the developer preview of osx x86 and running it on non apple hardware, and I bet they got it off bitorrent too)

Apple Smackdown (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 8 years ago | (#13343508)

We knew it would come eventually.

Re:Apple Smackdown (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 8 years ago | (#13343550)

Seriously, who didn't see this coming?

Oh well, I guess a blazingly obvious "news story" is better than another dupe, or instructions to mount a piece of wood to your desk to hold your laptop up.

Apple HQ (5, Funny)

Musteval (817324) | more than 8 years ago | (#13343509)

"Terrible news, sir! People are installing our OS!"
"Quick! To the Applejet!"

Re:Apple HQ (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 8 years ago | (#13343529)

it's iJet

Re:Apple HQ (3, Funny)

armitage_23 (168577) | more than 8 years ago | (#13343532)

Wouldn't that be the iJet or PowerJet?

Re:Apple HQ (5, Funny)

bleaknik (780571) | more than 8 years ago | (#13343556)

No, they filed for the patent too late for those designs, and Microsoft swooped in to clean up. They scrapped them when they were required to pay $10 per mile...

Re:Apple HQ (4, Funny)

eclectro (227083) | more than 8 years ago | (#13343663)

Wouldn't that be the iJet or PowerJet?

That's correct. And if something were to happen during flight they could escape by using their iPods.

Re:Apple HQ (1)

fLameDogg (866748) | more than 8 years ago | (#13343719)

...or in this case, maybe iLifePods.

Re:Apple HQ (1)

mikael (484) | more than 8 years ago | (#13343735)

And would it be transparent with the seats in the colour of your choice?

Re:Apple HQ (1)

SteveXE (641833) | more than 8 years ago | (#13343534)

rofl, your right, they dont know what to do, people want to use their OS so they are freaking out.

Re:Apple HQ (1)

istartedi (132515) | more than 8 years ago | (#13343626)

Quick! To the Applejet!"

I didn't know they made printers. How is printing going to help them?

Re:Apple HQ (1)

Valiss (463641) | more than 8 years ago | (#13343639)

"Quick! To the Applejet!"


Everyone knows it's an iJet. And I bet it even has a spiffy iPod cradle built in!

Seriously, here's the solution to Apple's problem (2, Interesting)

GPS Pilot (3683) | more than 8 years ago | (#13343721)

To satisfy the curiosity of the millions of PC owners who might like to try OS X, Apple should sell an unsupported version of OS X for $19.95. It would be a stripped-down, unoptimized version of OS X able to run on almost any x86 hardware, similar to Windows booted in "safe mode."

Many advantages to this approach:

- Simplifies things for PC users who want to try OS X (they don't have to hack the OS)
- Greatly expands the audience of PC users who can try OS X (most users can't or don't have time to hack OS X)
- Apple actually makes a little money off these people's curiosity
- Apple doesn't have to worry about supporting thousands of different PC configurations
- Gives Apple an opportunity to provide a "switch incentive": the PC user will get their $19.95 refunded when they buy a Mac

Accompanying the unsupported version of OS X should be a really slick glossy brochure explaining the many ways in which the full, supported version is superior. (For example, the unsupported version probably won't come with Quartz Extreme. It should probably ship with crippled versions of the iLife apps.)

There you go again (-1, Troll)

mosabua (534503) | more than 8 years ago | (#13343512)

It amazing in what regular intervals Apple comes up with reasons for me not to buy an iPod or a Mac. Sure provides good entertainment to watch whats going on while using my Linux box ;-)

Re:There you go again (2, Insightful)

RAMMS+EIN (578166) | more than 8 years ago | (#13343669)

``It amazing in what regular intervals Apple comes up with reasons for me not to buy an iPod or a Mac.''

What? Because they don't like someone publishing instructions for pirating their acclaimed software? OS X was solely responsible for a lot of mindshare of Apple among computer enthusiasts. How would you like it if somebody posted instructions for getting your main asset for free, circumventing the restrictions you have imposed on it?

Let's be honest... (0, Redundant)

agent dero (680753) | more than 8 years ago | (#13343525)

Like they didn't expect it at all...

Anybody who is surprised by this is/was just plain naive....

Re:Let's be honest... (1)

Triggnus (738288) | more than 8 years ago | (#13343557)

I agree, Jobs HAD to know this would happen. I think everyone did the moment that it was rumored. I don't see how Apple can hold people legally accountable for something that they should have predicted. Unless they were just fishing for lawsuits all along, but that's not very Apple-ish.

Re:Let's be honest... (5, Insightful)

joetheappleguy (865543) | more than 8 years ago | (#13343596)

I don't see how Apple can hold people legally accountable for something that they should have predicted.


So let me get this straight...According to your line of thinking, If I park my car in a shitty neighborhood and it gets stolen, even though I knew there was a chance and put an alarm in my car, I shouldn't have any legal recourse and the thief is not legally liable??

It's obvious YANAL...

Re:Let's be honest... (1)

Triggnus (738288) | more than 8 years ago | (#13343688)

I'm not saying that the theif was not wrong, but that you should have known better. also, the osX on x86 thing is a far cry from theft.

Sad Mac (0, Troll)

neuroking (204934) | more than 8 years ago | (#13343526)

Apple: We're fine with 5% market share thank you very much, and we'd appreciate it if you would stop being so productive on our behalf.

This is dumb beyond words. Just suck it up, Apple. Everyone knows you're a software company.

Re:Sad Mac (2, Interesting)

hattig (47930) | more than 8 years ago | (#13343577)

They had to expect it to happen, if they weren't then they're extremely naïve.

I'd love Mac OS X on Intel PCs. I don't care about getting a manky cheap-black-plastic laptop booting it, but a decent cheap desktop PC, yeah. As you get older you realise certain things - (1) I ain't got the time to get Gentoo to compile, (2) No way am I gonna lose my Unix shell, (3) Nor have I got the time to work out how certain things in Linux/FreeBSD now work since the last release I tried. Mac OS X is the OS for the productive geek, and the amount of desire there is for a generic x86 version shows that many many other people out there think the same thing.

And yes, I have a nice new 1.33GHz iBook here. 'Tis weird, but I'm more productive using it than any computer previous to this one until my old Amiga. It is my first ever Mac too. Used to hate the little buggers, nasty OS, crappy keyboards, boring interface.

Re:Sad Mac (1)

AtomicRobotMonster (891499) | more than 8 years ago | (#13343613)

Someone said it at last. [best computer since my old Amiga]. OK so I paraphased somewhat. This is how I feel about my Mac PowerBook. Best computer I had since my A1200. It just kinda has the same slick feel.

Re:Sad Mac (1)

hattig (47930) | more than 8 years ago | (#13343728)

Exactly. It just works, without getting in the way. The OS and apps have that extra bit of polish and pizzazz to make them special. The OS provides everything you need to interact with the hardware too, no crappy third party DVD burning apps, for example.

Nothing I used to like more as a teenager than a night on the A1200 with DPaint 4.5 and Blitz Basic 2 creating yet another silly game, or even sometimes nearly serious software. I was late for school more than once the next day ...

Re:Sad Mac (1, Interesting)

bani (467531) | more than 8 years ago | (#13343717)

as a software developer I find myself having to jump hurdles and roadblocks in OSX far more often than I do in win32 or linux.

with osx you do things steve jobs' way or you don't do it at all.

for daily use my mac mainly sits idle while all the productive stuff is in linux and doze. i use the mac for osx development, but man is it painful.

its also very frustrating all the hardware out there which simply wont work on macs, but will work fine with linux or doze.

Re:Sad Mac (2, Funny)

neuroking (204934) | more than 8 years ago | (#13343697)

Should I be annoyed that I was tagged a 'troll', or elated since you guys gave a +4 funny to that asschode's "Don't mean a thing if it ain't got Quartz Extreme"...

Waaaaa! Don't knock a *nix or we'll beat you senseless with our mod points!

Apple is not just ... (5, Insightful)

Anonymous Coward | more than 8 years ago | (#13343542)


Apple is not minor league engineering department attached to a powerhouse marketing deparment.

It's also attached to a powerhouse legal department.

Think Different !!!

Re:Apple is not just ... (1)

sTalking_Goat (670565) | more than 8 years ago | (#13343590)

They should just dump the engineering part altogether. Just market products that can't meet the demand of their market because they don't actually exist and then when competitors start producing copycats sue them. Now that's Thinking Different.

Re:Apple is not just ... (1)

zkn (704992) | more than 8 years ago | (#13343664)

That would be a iHouse legal department. They've just sent out 1! legal notis, not like they're takeing on the European Union or singlehandedly changing US law.

So Apple ARE evil!! (0, Flamebait)

sonoluminescence (709395) | more than 8 years ago | (#13343746)

Seriously this sort of thing really damages my opinion of the companies who do it.

I've always seen Apple as company selling pretty things to women who want to send email. (brand me sexist if you like but we all know it's true) A sort of cute and cuddly company, not focused on tech like the linux/open source world and not ruthlessly focused on world domination like M$.

I don't buy Apple stuff coz it's never worth the money but I didn't hate them.....

This sort of thing make me hate them.

Who are they going after?

What harm has been done to them?

They're picking on geeks with the desire to hack and make stuff work!

This is the market they should be trying to grab away from microsoft and open source.

Re:Apple is not just ... (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 8 years ago | (#13343762)

It's also attached to a powerhouse legal department.
Oh, you mean the one that forgot to patent the iPod for 6 months, and now has to pay royalities to Microsoft, who sneaked in a bullshit patent? You mean that legal powerhouse?

Or do you mean the legal department that did not negotiate quantity ship incentives into their PPC contract, making apple suffer the loss of shortages in IBM's chip fab? THAT legal powerhouse?

it has begun.. (1)

yaroze32 (689185) | more than 8 years ago | (#13343543)

it had to start some time, however I think (as well as many others) that it's silly for apple to stop something like this, I think they should just up and release the X86 version of their software and go straight for the whitebox market, releasing their Intel Based machines at a later time. Obviously they need to do some threats to for their business model running. But Id say it's time to change, and to "Think Diffrent"ly than a closed system. Let DELL and IBM (Lenovo) sell OSX as an option, and keep on making excelent hardware. I know I have considered Downloading and running the Onoffical OSX for x86, but if it were Legally Available I would but it right away.

Yes but... (1, Redundant)

sterno (16320) | more than 8 years ago | (#13343608)

The question is this: If you could buy the OSX for X86, would you still buy Apple hardware?

Apple doesn't want to sell you a $100 operating system, they want to sell you a $1000 computer. If you can buy a $400 computer from Dell and load OSX onto it, Apple makes less money.

Re:Yes but... (3, Insightful)

jocknerd (29758) | more than 8 years ago | (#13343629)

I would still buy another Power Mac over anything put out by Dell. Just open the cases of each and tell me which one you'd rather have.

Re:Yes but... (3, Interesting)

sterno (16320) | more than 8 years ago | (#13343675)

Not sure. Which one costs more? :)

In the end, most people go shopping based on the sticker price. That's why when you open up a dell it's not nearly as elegant.

I used to sell computers at an OfficeMax. We offered, amongst others, Compaq, and Packard Bell. The compaq system were always more expensive than the Packard Bells. When you opened up a Compaq, it was very cleanly layed out and labeled, and the Packard Bells were just frightening. In general the Packard Bells were the source of endless hardware problems.

But which one do you think we sold more of?

Now granted, Packard Bell was so poorly made that it's not an apples and oranges comparison here. But if Dell's are cheaper can run the same software, it could seriously hurt Apple's bottom line.

Remember that the clones almost killed Apple.

Re:Yes but... (1)

blueadept1 (844312) | more than 8 years ago | (#13343644)

Sure, but then your computer isn't WHITE. ohhh BEAUTIFUL WHITE. I LOVE YOU SO... *explodes*

Re:Yes but... (-1, Flamebait)

Anonymous Coward | more than 8 years ago | (#13343701)

sorry, a $400 dell and $129 OSX is still $29 more than a mac mini. and likely wont have bluetooth or wireless ethernet.

hey... WTF?! did apple just win a price argument? :P

Yes but... (4, Insightful)

william_w_bush (817571) | more than 8 years ago | (#13343716)

Conversely, selling 20 million $200 operating systems every 2 years is better than selling 1 million $1000 computers, considering the margins leave about $250 profit.

M$ learned this lesson a long time ago, only chumps sell hardware. The profit margin on a cdr and small pamphlet is much higher.

Re:Yes but... (1)

zkn (704992) | more than 8 years ago | (#13343732)

There is a bigger market for computers out there then just the /.'s My mother and farther for example would never figure out how to both assemble a custom pc and get a copy of x86tiger. If they for some reason wanted tiger they would ofcause buy a mac. It's simply easier.

Re:Yes but... (1)

tetro (545711) | more than 8 years ago | (#13343755)

Then again, if that person buys the Dell over the Apple and just keeps Windows, then Apple makes no money whatsoever.

Re:Yes but... (2, Insightful)

mysidia (191772) | more than 8 years ago | (#13343758)

But they make just as much money from selling 10 copies of OS X for $100, as selling 1 PC for $1000.

An OS they could probably sell at least 10x more easily, because there are thousands of PCs out there running Intel hardware already, and it should be much easier to convince people to put up $100 to try an alternate, superior OS than to throw away their machine and buy a whole new setup for $1000 a piece... that's thousands of potential customers for an OS offering, if they can just get a reputation of being better than Windows.

Most PC users are not going to be switching to macs anytime soon, Apple could would not likely to be selling these people thousand dollar machines -- they are deluding themselves if they think they will want to do that. (Most people would probably more readily dive for Linux than want to go out and buy all new hardware)

It could be much more profitable to capitalize on a special version of their OS too, make sure the version that runs on their own hardware is faster, more efficient, and includes more features... converts to their OS would then be encouraged to transition to Apple's hardware to gain more speed and the extra capabilities; whereas, for people with small budgets -- getting an off-the-shelf x86 system and slapping Apple's "starter" OS on it would be good for basic needs.

OSx86 Project Should be safe (4, Interesting)

ndansmith (582590) | more than 8 years ago | (#13343544)

Is it illegal to post this sort of information? If not, can Apple convince a judge that posting this information is harming them, and thus win a civil suit? I doubt it.

Re:OSx86 Project Should be safe (3, Insightful)

wankledot (712148) | more than 8 years ago | (#13343581)

I'm sure it is. The only copy of OS X for x86 available right now is the one provided to developers with the x86 dev boxes. I'm almost certain that it's against the rules of the NDA to talk about it publicly like this.

Re:OSx86 Project Should be safe (1)

FLAGGR (800770) | more than 8 years ago | (#13343582)

It's illegal to install OSX on nonapple hardware, as per the EULA (not that EULA's are always valid, but I believe their terms have been tested and proven in court)

Re:OSx86 Project Should be safe (1)

ajakk (29927) | more than 8 years ago | (#13343641)

It isn't illegal to install it on non-apple hardware. It just violates the terms of their NDA.

Re:OSx86 Project Should be safe (1)

FLAGGR (800770) | more than 8 years ago | (#13343753)

No, read the EULA during the installation of OSX. It's illegal to use the software on anything but Apple branded hardware. It doesn't violate any terms in the NDA - NDA stands for non-disclosure-agreement, i.e. any developers lucky enough to get this, shut your mouths or we'll kick your ass. The EULA is the license that you have to accept before installing. That's why there aren't any Apple clone computers. Please don't post if you don't know what your talking about.

Re:OSx86 Project Should be safe (1)

saterdaies (842986) | more than 8 years ago | (#13343621)

Yes, it is illegal. Apple's agreement on the pre-releases barred people from talking about it and I'm sure they have a provision in there about putting it on non-Apple boxes. In fact, Apple's current license states that you can only install it on an Apple box even though there really aren't other PPC boxes out there.

I know that defending IP on Slashdot is like preaching vegitarianism at McDonalds, but if people agree not to speak and then violate that agreement, they are taking illegal actions. This isn't a moral judgement or anything. I frankly don't care, but someone is violating their agreement and the law.

Re:OSx86 Project Should be safe (2, Interesting)

Amiga Trombone (592952) | more than 8 years ago | (#13343635)

Is it illegal to post this sort of information? If not, can Apple convince a judge that posting this information is harming them, and thus win a civil suit? I doubt it.

I suppose it would have something to do with the laws of a particular country. In some countries, it's probably actionable, and not in others. Which is why this is probably an exercise in futility. I'm sure somebody will eventually set up a site in a country where it's legal.

I'm not really sure why Apple is even bothering. Having looked over the process, I decided it was more of a pain in the ass than it was worth, and if it isn't even worth the aggrevation to me, I can't imagine Joe User will be making a habit out of hacking OS X, either. The only people who will bother will be the ones that can't afford to buy Apple's computers, anyway.

x86 (0)

Duncan3 (10537) | more than 8 years ago | (#13343545)

Multiplying Apple's piracy rate by 86 since 2005. .. but multiplying floats 0.86 times faster.

Gave it time to spread the hype (4, Interesting)

Logic Bomb (122875) | more than 8 years ago | (#13343553)

This is the first known legal action by Apple regarding the hacked version of OS X and calls into doubt the future of other news sites, similar to the OSx86 Project.

Given how fast Apple's legal department is capable of acting, it's a little odd that it took this long. I was speculating with a friend that Apple probably wants to make sure that the hype has time to take hold before it cracks down. It's interesting how they have to do a balancing act between being too heavy-handed and making sure that people keep talking about their products.

It would have been relatively simple for Apple to personalize each copy of OS X Intel that it sent out to developers. I find it pretty strange that we haven't heard about legal action against whomever distributed their copy. Perhaps Apple purposely didn't watermark the installers so the balance could tilt towards hype without them having to sue a developer.

And made sure to not to prosecute too successfully (4, Insightful)

soma_0806 (893202) | more than 8 years ago | (#13343718)

It's additionally fishy that they took their first action against a French site when so many American sites were doing the same thing. It's like they waited for the info to get out, wanted everyone talking about it, then made some sort of action against a foe far from the center of the limelight and in another country, which only steps up the difficulty in achieving success.

It's pretty clear that Apple, usually quick draw McGraw with the legal complaints, sat on this one because they saw the benefit of these copies getting out and getting people talking and excited about OS X.

Re:Gave it time to spread the hype (1)

Nasarius (593729) | more than 8 years ago | (#13343736)

I was speculating with a friend that Apple probably wants to make sure that the hype has time to take hold before it cracks down.

I think you're exactly right. My pet theory is that at least half of the stuff that gets "leaked" from Apple is really just guerilla marketing. They pretend to frown upon it so the information is even more exciting.

Re:Gave it time to spread the hype (1)

justins (80659) | more than 8 years ago | (#13343742)

It would have been relatively simple for Apple to personalize each copy of OS X Intel that it sent out to developers. I find it pretty strange that we haven't heard about legal action against whomever distributed their copy. Perhaps Apple purposely didn't watermark the installers so the balance could tilt towards hype without them having to sue a developer.

Barring something truly elaborate, it would simply take two registered developers working in concert to figure out such a watermarking scheme, if they thought to look for it.

Before anyone starts posting Babelfish links... (4, Informative)

SeaFox (739806) | more than 8 years ago | (#13343566)

it should be noted there is an English translation [hardmac.com] version of MacBidoulille always available. Just go to www.hardmac.com instead of MacBidoulle.

Unfortunately... (4, Insightful)

Sheetrock (152993) | more than 8 years ago | (#13343568)

This is the kind of thing, ironically, that will hurt Apple's adoption on the x86.

Ubiquitous piracy made Microsoft Windows big and Linux a contender. It's hard enough to get people to try another operating system when it's free.

Not that I'm supporting piracy, because I'm not, but at this point you'd have to be a nut to grab something like this (not necessarily stable, anybody could have altered it) and install it on your system, with the risk of losing whatever else you've got on there. The kind of nut that could be an excellent customer down the road if Apple capitalized on this fanaticism and offered legit demos of the technology in lieu of the illegal downloads already out there.

I suppose it wouldn't jive with their strategy of keeping their innovations under wraps until release, but as long as the toothpaste is out of the tube you get better results with the carrot than the stick.

Re:Unfortunately... (2, Insightful)

Anonymous Coward | more than 8 years ago | (#13343651)

Ubiquitous piracy made Microsoft Windows big and Linux a contender.
Maybe I'm not reading it correctly, but are you saying that "Ubiquitous piracy made Linux a contender?" How can one pirate a freely available, freely distributable OS?

Re:Unfortunately... (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 8 years ago | (#13343656)

No kidding. How many times have you heard complaints about Microsoft trying to lock its customers into proprietary software. Here we have Apple out-Microsofting Microsoft. Not not only is Apple determined to keep its "customers" locked into proprietary software, they continue to insist on locking their "customers" into proprietary non-upgradeable hardware.

Why the fanboys give Jobs a free pass on this issue is beyond me. A rational mind would think that "what is sauce for the goose, is sauce for the gander".

Re:Unfortunately... (4, Insightful)

FLAGGR (800770) | more than 8 years ago | (#13343661)

Apple isn't trying to take over the x86 market with their switch. Apple sells hardware. OSX is the OS that happens to be made by them and bundled with said hardware. Although I'm sure Apple would like 90% market share, that's not what they are going for. Nothing has changed in Apple's market strategy. They're still going to be different from your run of the mill Dell pc's, it's still the old Apple, just with a different cpu. The CPU is one chip in the computer. They'll still make custom motherboards and everything. They will continue to be the underdog marketshare wise, and Steve Job's will still make a assload of money to buy fuel for his private jet, just like it is now with powerpc.

Attributing Windows' success to piracy is a common but retarded argument. What else was there for x86 that was competition for Windows in terms of ease of use? Yes, I hate Windows, but MacOS never ran on the open hardware, only on apples. Windows simply suited the typical computer-idiot person, and with Microsofts marketing and shoddy buisness deals, it won out. If Windows success was because of piracy, then why are they so rich? Average Joe doesn't get a friend to burn him a copy of an OS, and then go gee whiz this is good, I'll buy the 300$ copy to support the cool guys that made this!

Re:Unfortunately... (-1, Troll)

Anonymous Coward | more than 8 years ago | (#13343684)

This is the kind of thing, ironically, that will make me bend over and take horse dick up the ass

Ubiquitous cock sucking made my mom popular and my dad a gay slut. It's hard enough to get people to try exploring my asshole when it's free.

Not that I'm supporting bestiality, because I'm not, but at this point you'd have to be a nut to deep throat something like this (not necessarily big, any nigger could have a cock that big) and let it fuck you up the ass, with the risk of tearing you a new asshole, literally. The kind of homo that could be an excellent size queen down the road if I capitalized on this homo-eroticism and offered gaot sex in lieu of the masturbation already out there.

I suppose I wouldn't jizz with your strategy of keeping my finger up my ass until orgasm, but as long as the cock is out of the pants you get better results with the dildo than the vibrator.

you know what Duke Ellington would say... (3, Funny)

mooboy (191903) | more than 8 years ago | (#13343579)

..to those running OSx86 on non Intel GMA900 hardware?

It don't mean a thing if it aint got Quartz Extreme

doo wop!

Did this surprise anyone? (5, Insightful)

blibbler (15793) | more than 8 years ago | (#13343586)

When has Apple been frivolous with their IP? They have already sued people for distributing Tiger over BitTorrent, and that was for an OS that would only run on hardware that they had sold.

What the? (0, Troll)

riversky (732353) | more than 8 years ago | (#13343593)

First Apple looses iPod's patent to Microsoft. Stupidest corporate move in recent memory. Then they go Intel and complain when someone figures out how to use it on Intel hardware. People this is the freaking corporate control everything mentality that Apple has. They are like the religous right, our way or no way. Only they try to look cool and act hip all the while ramming it up your a**. They should just release OS X for all vendors and give MS some desktop competition because Linux will run the backend.

Re:What the? (5, Interesting)

FLAGGR (800770) | more than 8 years ago | (#13343725)

Then they go Intel and complain when someone figures out how to use it on Intel hardware.

You don't understand. Apple is only switching to Intel because they were getting jacked in the ass by IBM, and Intel had a good roadmap. It's not like they're advertising it as becoming compatibile with PC hardware. The idea is to have it all the same as before, closed hardware and everything, just now Intel happens to be making the cpu's. What these people are doing is getting it to run on PC's instead of 'Macs'

OSX would never survive as an OS if it went open to the x86 platform at large. Windows has too much market share, and o one cares enough to relearn things. Apple makes boatloads off of their hardware, and if they switched to being just a software company with an initial 0% marketshare, they would be fucked. Also, hardware support is a major issue. Everything would cease 'just working', which is a very nice benifit of osx.

If you have a problem with Apple wanting THEIR os which is designed to run only on THEIR hardware, and to take advantage of the less open architecture for greater interoperability with hardware, and putting it all into a complete package, then shutup and just don't buy it, and I'll enjoy OSX for myself thank you very much.

Where is the video? (1)

hemlockz (889717) | more than 8 years ago | (#13343595)

did anyone see it before it was removed? has it been reposted? sigh.... i always miss these things!

Apple is a hardware company` (1)

winkydink (650484) | more than 8 years ago | (#13343598)

You may argue to the contrary, but it's the margins made on hw sales that keep the company nice and profitable. If all of a sudden you can install OSX on any generic PC, there go the profits (modulo the iPods).

I expect to see Apple defend this quite vigorously until they either succeed or it becomes overwhelmingly apparent that they cannot.

Re:Apple is a hardware company` (1)

bani (467531) | more than 8 years ago | (#13343682)

you're assuming there's no profit from stamping OSX on a circular piece of polycarbonate plastic and putting it in a cardboard box and selling it for $129.

i'm pretty sure the margins on software are a lot better than the margins on hardware.

Intel Mac for under $200 (5, Interesting)

levram2 (701042) | more than 8 years ago | (#13343602)

OSx86 Project's CEpeep researched building a x86 machine that will run Mac OS X for Intel for under $200. The machine has the same Intel chipset on the motherboard and a processor with SSE3. Total includes CPU, MB, RAM, Case, HD, and DVD drive.

http://www.osx86project.org/index.php?option=com_c ontent&task=view&id=27&Itemid=2 [osx86project.org]

Tempting Apple (3, Insightful)

Doc Ruby (173196) | more than 8 years ago | (#13343606)

I know Apple likes DRM, but usually not just for an empty power trip. As a business risk, the hype about OSX86 threatens Apple only by possibly inhibiting buyers of new Macs who might wait to reinstall over Windows on their existing HW, or some other cheap (commodity) x86 PC. Otherwise, the hype is making Apple seem much more "with-it" than its specialty x86 port would justify. Boosting its stock price, getting new customers who will get a Mac now, or a Mac86 when it's out, getting aboard the train as it passes their station, now that it looks like their kind of ride.

However, Apple is always most jealous of rumors of actual product intros. If they were planning to release OSX86 for generic PCs, they might very well go after these sites to manage the launch better with prelaunch secrecy. The intense interest in commodity OSX86 generated by these videos also serves to increase the demand, which therefore increases Apple's likelihood of releasing such an unbound OS.

This move offers all kinds of reasons to believe that dualbooting Windows/Mac will be reality in the foreseeable future. That also means VMWare Mac/Windows/Linux instances, all onscreen at once, on some kind of 14THz P12.

In related news... (4, Funny)

Humorously_Inept (777630) | more than 8 years ago | (#13343622)

With its latest cease and desist order, Apple demonstrated its new iLawyer program. A method the corporation hopes to use for protecting itself against any forseeable legal disputes in a method that's easy for users to understand. The new, friendly interface speaks English instead of lawyerese and comes dressed in a soft white suit.

Elsewhere, Microsoft claims to have patented the underlying concept of using lawyers as a high-level communications protocol.

I laugh, I cry, but mostly laugh (1)

Kujila (826706) | more than 8 years ago | (#13343627)

http://img162.imageshack.us/my.php?image=untitledk eke3xi.jpg

Re:I laugh, I cry, but mostly laugh (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 8 years ago | (#13343658)

This was the last count before the server stopped responding for me:

1267 User(s) are reading this topic (1250 Guests and 0 Anonymous Users)

I watched it increase from ~500 to ~900 with 1 refresh, then slowly (i.e. 2 mins) creep up to 1250, then poof.

Re:I laugh, I cry, but mostly laugh (1)

Kujila (826706) | more than 8 years ago | (#13343666)

Yeah the site isn't responding for me anymore either XD

Re:I laugh, I cry, but mostly laugh [Fixed Link] (1)

Kujila (826706) | more than 8 years ago | (#13343706)

If that link doesn't work, <a href="http://img162.imageshack.us/my.php?image=unt itledkeke3xi.jpg">here you go!</a>

quick (1)

acomj (20611) | more than 8 years ago | (#13343630)

to the bit-torrent /p2p mobile...!

this is like stopping a flood. And the OS isn't even out officially yet.

Bug May be? (1)

CSHARP123 (904951) | more than 8 years ago | (#13343665)

Recently we had an article on /. about circumventing xbox security. This looks the same to me on apple. I think they need to fix the problem rather than suing don't you all think?

Re:Bug May be? (2, Insightful)

oberondarksoul (723118) | more than 8 years ago | (#13343749)

The difference here is that the Xbox was shipping hardware, whereas the PowerMacs the developer's build of OS X ships on is intended for developers only. Granted, neither company is going to be entirely happy that their hardware's been exploited, but then again, Apple only had their developers (which are going to be far, far fewer in number than the potential number of Xbox users who could crack that security) to worry about.

Remember, Information just wants to be (2, Funny)

WillAffleckUW (858324) | more than 8 years ago | (#13343694)

patented by MSFT.

C'est dommage pour la Pomme, mais si tout le monde peut utiliser ca, c'est tres cher pour la Pomme.

Well... (2, Insightful)

MightyMartian (840721) | more than 8 years ago | (#13343702)

Welcome to x86 land. Please leave all expectations at the door.

mirrors and torrents (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 8 years ago | (#13343713)

Before someone might take down that sire for some reason we need to set up mirrors or even better distribute the instructions on the various P2P systems. The more the merrier. Thanks for your help.

What kind of legal standing, in the future.... (2, Informative)

jasen666 (88727) | more than 8 years ago | (#13343715)

will Apple have to shut down sites like this, once there's no more obvious developer NDA's to claim.
I mean, if people are buying OS X, then modifying their legal copies to work on a generic x86 box, what law have they broken? How will Apple shut down sites describing this process? Will it be a DMCA violation to edit config files in the OS, or patch a binary, to allow your OS to run on another machine?

To me, it's like modifying Windows to run on a Sparc or something (nearly impossible without recompiling source, I know, but same idea).

Re:What kind of legal standing, in the future.... (1)

Dynedain (141758) | more than 8 years ago | (#13343757)

Will it be a DMCA violation to edit config files in the OS, or patch a binary, to allow your OS to run on another machine?

Nope, but it is against their EULA. The OSX EULA says that it can only be run on Apple branded hardware.

OT: Apple COULD (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 8 years ago | (#13343738)

Apple *could* sell Mac OS X to run on any normal PC and make a profit, if they created a "lite" version which comes with very little "functionality", selling each stripped "function" for £15-30 and then put a "premium" version on there Mac hardware.

apple doesnt want to lose control (0)

mozkill (58658) | more than 8 years ago | (#13343748)

the last thing Apple wants is for the Open source community to go crazy on OS-X and make an OS-11 before Apple has a chance to even release computers running X-86 hardware...

What they don't realize (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 8 years ago | (#13343756)

People would actually buy OS X in a heart beat. Actually, I don't care all that much for the hardware; but OS X on the other hand is a different story.

I would easily pay 200 perhaps 250 for OS X.

Tis a shame.
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