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Spurned O'Reilly 'Foo' Camp Attendees Create 'Bar'

ScuttleMonkey posted more than 8 years ago | from the foo-vs-bar-gets-foobar'd dept.

News 101

theodp writes "CNET reports on this weekend's Bar Camp, an open-source alternative to O'Reilly Media's A-List Foo Camp, which CEO Tim O'Reilly explains employs a "Bozo filter" to exclude undesirable attendees.

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Alternatives (4, Insightful)

gbulmash (688770) | more than 8 years ago | (#13362594)

Why does this article make me think of the old saying: "I wouldn't belong to any club that would have me as a member"?

Then again, alternative events (not "alternative" in the sense of the label given to certain rock bands, but actually created as an alternative to a more exclusive event) sometimes do develop into something worthwhile. First one that comes to mind is the Sundance Film Festival alternative, Slamdance.

- Greg

Re:Alternatives (-1, Offtopic)

Anonymous Coward | more than 8 years ago | (#13362646)

Hillary's been invited, natchurly. The question is, will John "Eff'in" Kerry be invited too? The elites will eventually have to let us hoi polloi find out, even though they're ever so much smarter than we are.

Re:Alternatives (-1, Offtopic)

Anonymous Coward | more than 8 years ago | (#13363059)

It's bad enough that the energy bill now working its way through Congress may cost taxpayers close to $36 billion over the next five years. Worse, it actually contains provisions that would increase the cost of energy in the years ahead.

Take the ethanol mandate. This costly gasoline additive, made from Midwestern corn, already gets special tax breaks worth more than 50 cents per gallon. Now, its producers, including agri-business giant Archer Daniels Midland, have convinced their friends in Congress to require that 7.5 billion gallons of it be added to the nation's fuel supply.

Acording to a study by the Energy Department, this mandate could cost drivers more than 3 cents per gallon -- in an energy bill that was supposed to help lower the price at the pump. Granted, there are many other energy bill provisions that won't increase energy costs. But most are unlikely to decrease them either. And many, including all sorts of giveaways to the energy industry, will cost taxpayers a fortune.

The electricity generating sector makes out especially well, getting potentially tens of billions in subsidies and tax breaks. Under the bill, taxpayers will be chipping in billions every year for the costs of research and development. There's even federal financial aid for building new power plants that meet certain requirements. In effect, American consumers will spend twice for electricity. They'll still have to pay their electric bills just as before, but more of their tax dollars would underwrite part of the cost of producing the electricity.

In the hands of Congress, the energy bill has morphed into a farm bill, an environmental bill, and above all else, a massive pork-barrel bill. But what we really need is a true energy bill, one that frees energy markets from unnecessary regulatory constraints and opens up new sources of supply. There are a few such provisions in the bill -- like facilitating approvals for hydroelectric power plants and encouraging investments in electric transmission lines -- but only a few.

The energy bill does only a little to open up the many oil and natural gas-containing areas in the U.S., both onshore and offshore, that are off-limits. It does contain authorization for an inventory of offshore energy reserves, which is a good first step. But the legal battle over opening those reserves is left to another day.

Overall, the energy bill is a net loser for the American people, and will likely cost us both as energy consumers and as taxpayers.

Re:Alternatives (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 8 years ago | (#13362842)

I think it could be a good thing if people are doing this to have fun or accomplish something, but if this is really just being prompted by a desire to protest O'Reilly's invite system (which seems to be the case), then I think it's just silly and immature. FOO is really a business event, and they can invite who they want how they want. If this really bothers someone, I'd say they're a bit... sensitive. :-)

In the linked news.com article, one person even laments that his friends/colleagues will see his lack of invite as a measure of his worth, or lack thereof. Well, if that's the case, this person must hang around with a lot of shallow people. Since when did the IT industry become like Hollywood, where what's important is what parties you get invited to?

And when is it wrong for a party to have a 'filter', bozo or otherwise? (and it's otherwise in this case) We all filter all our communications every day, out of a necessity to simply keep the volume of it down. If someone wants to protest that behavior, turn off your spam filter and carefully read each message that comes in. Now that's showing everyone a truly democratic and undiscriminating approach to open communication. :-) But the reality is that everyone would find they cannot afford NOT to discriminate between what they let in and what they shut out, and even spam filters are somewhat arbitrary and make mistakes. It's a reality of life. Get over it.

I don't even see why this warrants a /. front page news item...

Re:Alternatives (0, Troll)

Seumas (6865) | more than 8 years ago | (#13363019)

I think this is hilarious.

How bad does it have to make all these dorks feel that they were outcast by a conference full of outcasts?! Not being accepted to attend the Foo camp thing has to be a lot like being shoved into your locker in highschool.... by the captain of the chess team.

Re:Alternatives (1)

*SECADM (223955) | more than 8 years ago | (#13363448)

haha - "...Sorry, no Homers!"

Re:Alternatives (1)

sharkey (16670) | about 9 years ago | (#13364627)

But, you let in Homer Glumplett!

Re:Alternatives (1, Insightful)

Anonymous Coward | about 9 years ago | (#13365103)

Its the no Homer"s" club. One's OK!

Re:Alternatives (3, Insightful)

laurensv (601085) | more than 8 years ago | (#13363521)

Salon des Refusés [wikipedia.org] , anyone?

Re:Alternatives (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 9 years ago | (#13367016)

> Salon des Refusés
"Living room of the rejects"

Something every Slashdotter needs to know about!

Re:Alternatives (2, Insightful)

Johnboi Waltune (462501) | about 9 years ago | (#13364376)

Well, it makes me think of an incestuous and pretentious exercise in intellectual circle-jerkery.

I don't think you're wrong, though.

Nothing to see here. Move along. (-1, Offtopic)

WilliamSChips (793741) | more than 8 years ago | (#13362599)

The Foo camp's Bozo filter in effect?

Re:Nothing to see here. Move along. (1)

igny (716218) | more than 8 years ago | (#13362660)

gigaom is appropriate for overall Slashdot filter, gigahenry is for high frequency, and gigafarad is for low frequency bozo filters.

an impending merger of the two conferences (-1)

a_greer2005 (863926) | more than 8 years ago | (#13362610)

shal be called fubar...

don't you mean (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 8 years ago | (#13362628)

furball

Re:an impending merger of the two conferences (1)

ThyPiGuy (870924) | more than 8 years ago | (#13362684)

Whoa, like, when you like, put the two names together, it makes Foobar.. what a crazy coincidence...

Re:an impending merger of the two conferences (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 8 years ago | (#13363004)

Whoa, like, when you like, put the two names together, it makes Foobar.. what a crazy coincidence...
Or maybe it should be fubar. A US Military acronym for Fscked Up Beyond All Recompense.

Headline... (5, Funny)

Infinityis (807294) | more than 8 years ago | (#13362619)

Maybe a catchier headline would've been:

Foo 2 Bar Bozo

Re:Headline... (1)

aurelian (551052) | more than 8 years ago | (#13363179)

or:

Foo 2 Bar Bar Bozos

Baz (0)

mind21_98 (18647) | more than 8 years ago | (#13362622)

Now we just need a Baz camp and we're done. ;)

Re:Baz (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 8 years ago | (#13362761)

If you didn't get invited to Foo or Bar camp, you probably ought to start your own camp... that could indeed be Baz

Re:Baz (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 8 years ago | (#13362844)

I'll hold out for Quux.

Re:Baz (1)

grahamlee (522375) | more than 8 years ago | (#13362999)

frotz Anonymous Coward

Re:Baz (1)

jcuervo (715139) | more than 8 years ago | (#13363375)

Apparently, it's just me, but my MSV list goes
foo bar baz xip quux bletch
(not that I usually need that many). I have no fucking clue where I picked "xip" up from.

Nope (1)

Russ Nelson (33911) | more than 8 years ago | (#13363481)

Nope. We need a quuxcamp.org, too.
-russ

Merger... (0, Redundant)

Infinityis (807294) | more than 8 years ago | (#13362634)

I feel an impending merger coming...but I imagine the result will be fubar

Foo(camp)Fighting Text (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 8 years ago | (#13362638)


Foo(camp)Fighting

Tim O'Reilly has built a publishing empire based on geek love. Now its time for him to face the ire of the very same geeks, who are now organizing a rival camp to Tim's Foo Camp. "I really love the people who COME to O'Reilly events - but have you ever seen Rael or Tim at anyone else's conference?," asks Marc Canter, the Silicon Valley raconteur and a digital provocateur. Good point, Marc.

Russell Beattie, one of the kindest souls (when not ranting against stupidity) is more explicit when he says, "Unlike Jason, however, I'm quite upset about it. But I'm also a bit annoyed because I spent quite a bit of time and effort this past year being a Friend Of O'Reilly." Jason Shellen, incidentally is the Jason mentioned in that comment.

Hey maybe its time for some geek solidarity - those who think of Marc, Dave Winer, Scoble, and Russell as friends, maybe it is time for them to step-up and decline their FooCamp invites. Say what Jeremy? Time to show, Tim, that geek giveth, and geek taketh!

Dave Winer has his say. Robert Scoble is being polite. Chris Messina thinks I am posing as media, I am spinning it. I don't no - this is my opinion, based on what others wrote. No posing dude ... you are off the mark here :-) Everybody says there is no fight. Fine by me! I have heard different opinions - in private of course. Most are sanguine about the whole thing. I, personally, don't care either way - I hope everyone goes "CAMP"ing and has fun. Tim explains what and how of Foo Camp selection process. Makes sense .... its business after all.

Mr. T (5, Funny)

Infinityis (807294) | more than 8 years ago | (#13362654)

Didn't get an invite to the latest camp? I pity the Foo...

Re:Mr. T (1, Insightful)

Anonymous Coward | more than 8 years ago | (#13362997)

Well, they say a foo and his money are soon parted.

a most excellent post, I realy had to LOL, thanks! (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 8 years ago | (#13363660)

uhm, no more text :-)

Beyond All Recognition (1)

Doc Ruby (173196) | more than 8 years ago | (#13362664)

Foo Camp 2005: Symposium on Virtualizing Sleepaway Camp Politics

Live streams of the Sebastopol live event will start with instructions on scratching bugbites, gathering your own dirt from a neighbor's yard for your sleeping bag, and fantasies about rowing across the lake to the girls' "Spa Camp".

Unfortunately, this Summer's presentation of "Telewedgies" has been cancelled due to popular demand from our nerd attendees.

*ahem* (0, Flamebait)

Infinityis (807294) | more than 8 years ago | (#13362676)

What they didn't mention was that over 100 people on the invite list for CNET's BAR camp happen to work at Google. Apparently, all the RSVPs from Google had a common message scrawled on them: "Pwn3d j00 n00B"

Good for everyone, surely? (4, Insightful)

Paul Crowley (837) | more than 8 years ago | (#13362685)

It's OK for Tim O'Reilly to invite who he likes, and it's a very difficult thing to do. Far from creating a rival camp being a bitter and evil thing to do, it's an extremely constructive and positive response, and it could mean that there are two creative geek hothouse conferences where before there was one. Let a thousand flowers bloom!

Go bar camp! (1, Funny)

Anonymous Coward | about 9 years ago | (#13364861)

I can hardly wait for the chance to attend a conference where Richard Stallman handles the PR, Eric Raymond is in charge of safety, Dave Winer is group facilitator, CowboyNeal edits together the agenda, and David Siegel designs the web site.

Re:Good for everyone, surely? (1)

identity0 (77976) | about 9 years ago | (#13365595)

See, he should have just done the usual, and made two camps, Foobar Enterprise Camp, and Foobar Core Camp.

One would be the professional thing, and the other would be the one where all the bozos go.

I swear I'm not a bitter Debianite or anything : )

Re:Good for everyone, surely? (1)

Fyz (581804) | about 9 years ago | (#13365611)

And let the Feast of a Thousand Beasts begin!!

Bozo Filters (2, Funny)

thewiz (24994) | more than 8 years ago | (#13362690)

employs a "Bozo filter"

I don't understand why people are upset about this. This filter should only apply to clowns, not IT folks.

Re:Bozo Filters (3, Informative)

Speare (84249) | more than 8 years ago | (#13362767)

Dynamics of Software Development http://www.amazon.com/exec/obidos/tg/detail/-/1556 158238 [amazon.com]
  • Rule #4 "Don't Flip The Bozo Bit". This rule is necessary to keep #2 ["Get Their Heads Into The Game"] working. The author deals with the natural tendency that people have to become defensive when criticism is offered of their ideas. This can actually cause both the critic and the one being criticized to tune each other out. The author suggests that team members call each other on it when the Bozo Bit is being flipped.

Re:Bozo Filters (2, Interesting)

ebuck (585470) | about 9 years ago | (#13365872)

There's some very appealing ideas that really are bad ones.

I remember reading of O'Reilly presentations with titles like "Design as you go!", emploring the virtures of not planning out anything about your software, just throwing a bunch of coders at it and let the architecture "take care of itself".

Five years later I received (part time) the pleasure of trying to assimilate the twice abandoned project that was the flagship product being developed under this plan. It wasn't bad, but it was Java instilled with all of that good'ole Basic spagetti. Add to that a dev team that was at a standstill because fixing any major thing meant they'd have to take a crack a re-architecting.

If they were really on to something, it would have been interesting, but I guess they were really just trying to pitch their product. Had they advocated unit testing, some sort of code review, or any other quality practice, perhaps they would have had something. Instead it was literally, "embrace the anarchy" which ruled the message of that day.

It is important to remember that not all ideas are of equal quality. It's easy to forget when you're having a NASA Astronaut being followed up by a Flatlander in the name of blance.

Re:Bozo Filters (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 8 years ago | (#13362789)

Should apply to sand hill road VC's. But I bet it doesn't. Tim needs capital and country club invites just like any other bidniman.

Re:Bozo Filters (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 8 years ago | (#13363260)

This filter should only apply to clowns, not IT folks.

The problem becomes apparent when you realize how many clowns think of themselves as folks

Re:Bozo Filters (1)

geekoid (135745) | more than 8 years ago | (#13363323)

"This filter should only apply to clowns, not IT folks."

That statment is contradictory.

sorry, been in the business long enough to relize there are more clowns in IT then in Clown School.

Its not a rival... (2, Insightful)

MosesJones (55544) | more than 8 years ago | (#13362693)


This is open source... its just a branch from the original idea, re-packaged by someone new for the problem that they want to solve.

Sure forks in the code/idea base aren't always good but I'm sure if Bar gets some good ideas that they will be incorporated back into the Foo release.

Bill? (2, Funny)

SupaKoopa (835066) | more than 8 years ago | (#13362696)

my first thought was, "What the hell is Bill O'Reily doing with a camp called 'foo?'"

I thought it was a Bill O'Reily camp too.... (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 8 years ago | (#13363399)

And was convinced someone had forgot the "l".

From TFA (4, Funny)

Nuclear Elephant (700938) | more than 8 years ago | (#13362708)

You have to understand the objectives of the event.

Well sure with names like Foo Camp and Bar Camp, who wouldn't be able to pick up on that.

So does that mean (1)

whitehatlurker (867714) | more than 8 years ago | (#13362728)

That they are lowering the bar and letting any bozo in?

Re:So does that mean (1)

yoyhed (651244) | more than 8 years ago | (#13363319)

If I said that out loud, to a real person, with extra emphasis on "bar", their subsequent glare would pierce my soul.

Scott Adams should sue... (1)

Raelus (859126) | more than 8 years ago | (#13362738)

...the Bozo filter was his idea first!

Re:Scott Adams should sue... (5, Informative)

gandreas (908538) | more than 8 years ago | (#13362854)

Or maybe not, since when the Macintosh was released, files with their "Bozo bits" (one of a handful of flags a file could have) would be copy protected (and couldn't be copied in the Finder). It was so called because "only a bozo would rely on this for real copy protection" (since nothing prevented them from being turned off)

insanely expensive (1, Interesting)

Anonymous Coward | more than 8 years ago | (#13362747)

These O'reilly events are insanely expensive, teh O'Reilly OSCON in Europe has a ticket price of £700 , thats over $1000 US or Euro - quite a huge barrier to access.
Especially as many FOSS people are doing it in their downtime - so they don't have an instituion to foot the bill.
Sounds like Tim is really coining it in, to the detriment of the community.

Not quite (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 8 years ago | (#13363115)

700 pounds:
  1266 usd
  1042 euro

Re:Not quite (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 8 years ago | (#13363389)

Not quite what?

Re:insanely expensive (2, Informative)

chromatic (9471) | more than 8 years ago | (#13363456)

There's no charge for Foo camp. O'Reilly hosts it, rents showers, and pays for food, wireless, and electricity.

I take it... (3, Funny)

Paul Crowley (837) | more than 8 years ago | (#13362751)

I take it any code produced there will be called "Bar Code"?

IGMC.

Re:I take it... (1)

yoyhed (651244) | more than 8 years ago | (#13363335)

Yes, but the lines will run horizontally.

The sword cuts both ways. (3, Interesting)

Anonymous Coward | more than 8 years ago | (#13362864)

Ironically, Bar Camp attendee Dave Winer [scripting.com] , who has been pretty vocal about not being invited to Foo Camp, went to the uppity invite-only World Economic Forum in Davos [weforum.org] once.

Once.

BozoFilter was directed at Winer. (3, Funny)

Anonymous Coward | more than 8 years ago | (#13363196)

Everyone knows it.

Re:The sword cuts both ways. (2, Funny)

Anonymous Coward | more than 8 years ago | (#13363508)

Dave Winer was also invited to an open source summit once.

Once.

Another round... (0, Redundant)

Digital Pizza (855175) | more than 8 years ago | (#13362873)

So they're having an open bar? I'm in!

Whoa... (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 8 years ago | (#13362931)

A bozo filter? Sweet! Where can I get one of those for my life?

I'm here! Say hi! (3, Funny)

burtonator (70115) | more than 8 years ago | (#13362939)

Hey. I'm here!

Make sure to stop and say hi!

http://www.feedblog.org/2005/08/see_you_at_barc.ht ml [feedblog.org]

Re:I'm here! Say hi! (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 8 years ago | (#13363315)

Whoopie for you, I'm here too. Everybody is "here" (wherever they are) all the time.

Try as I might... (2, Interesting)

anandamide (86527) | more than 8 years ago | (#13362981)

I cannot assign this article to the category "Stuff That Matters"... It just keeps jumping into the category "Stuff That is Totally Irrelevant".

Re:Try as I might... (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 8 years ago | (#13363104)

Just curious, how often do you succeed in assigning slashdot articles to the "Stuff That Matters" category, anyway?

wtf (1)

El_Muerte_TDS (592157) | more than 8 years ago | (#13363085)

There is no bar at foo camp?

My task is now clear... (4, Funny)

Foobar of Borg (690622) | more than 8 years ago | (#13363112)

Spurned O'Reilly 'Foo' Camp Attendees Create 'Bar'

My task is now clear. I will have to assimilate them! Their resistance is futile!

While they are at it (1)

MatthewNewberg (519685) | more than 8 years ago | (#13363143)

Since they are making a new better Foo camp why don't they make some improvements. 1. Strippers - (Women with no clothes on) 2. Live Music 3. Beer?,Skip the beer. Open Bar. 4. Lighting stuff on Fire. 5. Fireworks 6. Destruction 7. Weird Costumes 8. Strange forms of transportation Now that is something I would feel bad about not getting invited to.

Re:While they are at it (1)

anagama (611277) | more than 8 years ago | (#13363230)

burning man comes to mind

Re:Burning Man trumps Foo camp (1)

Tom Christiansen (54829) | about 9 years ago | (#13364408)

> burning man comes to mind

It ought to; it is that time of the year, after all.

I went to Tim's first Foo camp, my gear still playa-inflicted,
but with the schedule shift, it's just too hard to do that and
also get set all the myriad things you need to think about for
the Burn. With no offence intended toward Tim, for I think
he's going a pretty cool thing, when it comes to making a choice
between Foo and the Burn, there isn't any and never was one.

--tom

Re:While they are at it (3, Funny)

biglig2 (89374) | more than 8 years ago | (#13363547)

Only on Slashdot would someone feel it necessary to define the word stripper.

Re:While they are at it (2, Funny)

Stickerboy (61554) | about 9 years ago | (#13364790)

Only on Slashdot would someone feel it necessary to define the word stripper.

Or at the Home Depot/Tool Time Conference For Better Floor Finishes - but maybe for different reasons. ;)

Re:While they are at it (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 9 years ago | (#13364960)

I was thinking 'Wire Stripper' - used for doing a mega-strip of a CAT5/other cable end for insertion in an appropriate connector (RJ45 etc...).

Interestingly 'Stripper' is blocked from my company's HTML filter - (as is 'anarchy' and other words that are plain silly to block).

Re:While they are at it (1)

suwain_2 (260792) | about 9 years ago | (#13366826)

Good thing, too. I was all excited about the conference until I found out that wire strippers wouldn't be handed out. :(

Re:While they are at it (1)

Catnapster (531547) | more than 8 years ago | (#13363960)

So what you're saying is, instead of Foo camp you want them to book Ozzfest?

Ob Futurama (2, Funny)

Anonymous Coward | more than 8 years ago | (#13363184)

Well, I'll organize my own conference! With blackjack! And hookers! In fact, forget the conference!

Racist O'Reilly? (1)

EiZei (848645) | more than 8 years ago | (#13363262)

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bozo [wikipedia.org]

I know west nilean tribes are not the most technically apt people but this is just ridiclous, I suggest we boycott those elitist bastards at O'reilly!

Too easy: (1)

jcuervo (715139) | more than 8 years ago | (#13363358)

"'Defcon' Attendees Raid 'Bar', Get Drunk"

Geeks complaining about geeks... (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 8 years ago | (#13363378)

...and about the other geeks secret club.
Fuck DAMN but if this article is not a big yawn, what is?
Fuck O'Reilly, fuck bar-camp and fuck the foo-camp.

For those that don't know... (0)

laing (303349) | more than 8 years ago | (#13363379)

Foobar is an abbreviation for "fscked out of order beyond all repair".

Re:For those that don't know... (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 8 years ago | (#13363461)

What?

Are you stupid or something? Reallly.

"foobar" is the retarded nerd humour version of "fubar" which has been in use in the military for decades and stands for "Fucked Up Beyond All Repair".

Re:For those that don't know... (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 9 years ago | (#13366208)

Whoa. Are you stupid too?

Fubar stands for "fucked up beyond all recognition". That's a fact, Jack.

What's the big deal about the bozo filter? (3, Insightful)

Lijemo (740145) | more than 8 years ago | (#13363460)

From TFA:

So how do we decide who to invite? ...
Then we put together a list of a thousand odd names that we have to winnow down as best we can...
Sixth cut: the bozo filter. Someone who has been at a previous FOO camp, and whom we had complaints about for some reason or another, or who has built that kind of reputation on the net. Unfortunately, you probably don't know who you are, but other people do.

Tim: Dude, no. Last time I invited you to a party, you broke into my parent's liquor cabinent, through half their furnature into the fireplace, had sex with the dog, and I was grounded for a month. You are most definitely not invited.

Bozo:ELITIST!!!

As it says in the article, this is an event that only works well if it is below a certain size, and where there are many more deserving poetential invities than there are spots for them. There IS NO PERFECT WAY to filter down a group like that. This is not high-school, where everyone but you got invited to the cool party, so now you're not talkint to your best friend anymore.

Also notice that this is "sixth cut"-- where they've already made five passes at trying to cut the guest list down to a managable size, but still need to cut it down further.

Creating the "Bar" camp is a cool idea. Bitching about not getting into the "Foo" camp is just childish.

It's FUBAR, not foobar (1, Informative)

RKBA (622932) | more than 8 years ago | (#13363478)

Yet another testament that geeks can't spell. It's FUBAR (as in "Fucked Up Beyond All Recognition"), not FOOBAR.

Haha, loser! (4, Funny)

Russ Nelson (33911) | more than 8 years ago | (#13363514)

Haha, loser! It's speled "spel", not "spell". You need to get a speling checkre.
-russ

Re:It's FUBAR, not foobar (2, Insightful)

jericho4.0 (565125) | about 9 years ago | (#13364507)

From RFC 3092 [faqs.org] , 'Etymology of "Foo"'

"Approximately 212 RFCs, or about 7% of RFCs issued so far, starting with [RFC269], contain the terms `foo', `bar', or `foobar' used as a metasyntactic variable..."

Um, FOOBAR is (NOT) FOO (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 9 years ago | (#13364816)

someone needs to take a Digital Logic course..

When you put a bar over a term it inverts it. Thus FUBAR is a term, but FOO, being a general variable name, gets inverted (aka !foo) all the time. Thus, FOOBAR.

And since this is an anti-foo group, that kinda makes sense.

B0z0 filter? (1)

Russ Nelson (33911) | more than 8 years ago | (#13363681)

So it has a bozo filter, eh? Does that mean that r0ml [blogs.com] can't attend?

Speaking as a conversational junkie.. (1)

ddt (14627) | more than 8 years ago | (#13363907)

Speaking as a conversational junkie, I have to say I vastly prefer house parties over almost any other sort of organized event. Large parties typically aren't adequately hosted. So you get a lot of people standing near the drink and snack tables, refilling every once in a while, trying to look calm, cool, and content, when in fact they wish someone would introduce them.

Really good parties feature a clueful-host-to-interesting-guest ratio of no more than 10ish, in my opinion, because you want hosts to make introductions and facilitate conversations, particularly with accomplished geeks whose single-minded focus on the software that made them famous has left their social interaction neurons a bit withered and crispy.

If you want to network with megageeks and have a good time, I strongly recommend throwing a tasty dinner party and inviting a handful of quality guests. Once your dinner kung fu has improved, consider letting them invite a friend to add some randomness.

Even if you aren't in it for the conversation, I think it would come as some surprise to most geeks that even if you paid someone to cook the food and serve the drinks for you, odds are you'll recoup the cost later, because you were there at the right time to hear a conversation about an opportunity, and the relationship was in place to facilitate your involvement. This is how a great deal of business gets done.

Sheesh... (2, Insightful)

Error27 (100234) | more than 8 years ago | (#13363934)

I don't really understand what the big deal is.

There are basically two types of people in the world, people who do stuff (coders) and people who talk about stuff (writers). And then somewhere below that there are people who make money off of writers (publishers).

I don't have anything against publishers per se but who really cares? I mean _really_ cares?

Re:Sheesh... (1)

smack.addict (116174) | about 9 years ago | (#13364539)

As a general rule, O'Reilly authors do both.

I so not get it... (1)

notfancy (113542) | about 9 years ago | (#13364331)

A private party generates a flurry of jealous, petty bitching from a bunch of self-posessed technobrats? And this is a world-class, newsworthy event? People bitching against first, and then backpedaling and trying to brown-nose some Tim O'Reilly to get it? Grow the fuck up, already...

BTW, I know the O'Reilly name. It's just, who is he anyway?

I can tell that you're non-technical (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 9 years ago | (#13365083)

If you were technical, not only would you know who Tim O'Reilly is, but you'd have a zoo of books that he published.

If you were technical, then you'd also know why I'm talking about a zoo of books.

I'd suggest that you google for more, but google is technical, you might not understand it.

Re:I can tell that you're non-technical (1)

notfancy (113542) | about 9 years ago | (#13368591)

I did say that I know who he is, didn't I?

Baz Camp (1)

Lodragandraoidh (639696) | about 9 years ago | (#13364916)

I propose we set up a 3rd camp called Baz Camp for those who don't cut the mustard with the Bar Camp cognoscenti.

Here is the agenda for the first meeting:

1. Keynote Speech: Why Foo and Bar Camps are a Bunch of Ninnys : Tom O'Rielly

2. Publication in the Crossfire: People mistake me for Tim O'Reilly and How I Profit From their Mistake : Tom O'Rielly

4. Bar Camp Luminaries: Why are we Bozos? or What does it mean if we are rejected from Bar Camp? or Hey - What Happened to Event Number 3? : Bill Gates

5. Recursive Development Studio: Definition of the Bar Camp Bozo Filter - Getting to the Quux of the Matter : CowboyNeal

6. Closing Statements: Why the Three of us Matter - even though they think we're Bozos : Tom O'Rielly

HHOS and Grape Koolaid(tm) will be served at the end of the event. :P

FORK! (1)

Fastball (91927) | about 9 years ago | (#13365169)

It's a (rebellious) developer/author/advocate's best friend. :)

Dialectic Materialists. (1)

torpor (458) | about 9 years ago | (#13365810)

A real 'hack' of the O'Reilly fascism would've been to prove that the bozo filter doesn't work, get into the "Foo" camp, and simply go bozo.

Creating an 'alternative' is just falling even further into the Bozo filter trap. Only bozo's would knee-jerk insta-"fuck you", go off, and do their own thing. It's NIH'ism turned in on itself.

Is there a "Straight" filter at Bar camp, one wonders ...

FUBAR, not Foo Bar (1)

RingDev (879105) | about 9 years ago | (#13366261)

[quote]Bar Camp is a play on the word "foobar," a common programming variable.[/quote]

Unfortunatly, the word is FUBAR, it is an acronym for F*cked Up Beyond All Recognition. Foo, as of my understanding, is the digital adaptation of Fu, as in Kung Fu. A programmer with great Foo is a skilled master.

-Rick
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