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XBox 360 Bundles Top $700

Zonk posted about 9 years ago | from the arm-and-a-leg-and-an-eye-and dept.

XBox (Games) 150

Gamespot is reporting that, with some idea of the skus that will be available for the Xbox 360 when it launches, game retailers are now prepping incredibly expensive console bundles for the first of the next-gen systems. From the article: "...when hot new gaming systems come out, supply is short, and demand is often so high that retailers can elect to sell the units only as parts of bundles that include accessories and games of the retailer's choosing. EBgames.com unveiled its holiday offerings today, and the prices may make some gamers feel as though they're getting 'scrooged.' Like Microsoft, EB Games is offering two bundles, one for gamer's interested in the Core System and one for gamers eyeing the premium package. The Xbox 360 Core Bundle is priced at $599.93, and it includes everything in the standard package, plus an extra wired controller, a 64MB memory unit, and four games: Perfect Dark Zero: Limited Edition, Dead or Alive 4, Project Gotham Racing 3, and Kameo: Elements of Power. Using Microsoft's announced pricing for peripherals and an assumed $59.99 price point for Xbox 360 games, the package unbundled would come to $618.94. "

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Ouch... (2, Funny)

elwin_windleaf (643442) | about 9 years ago | (#13387962)

Well, there's always Christmas of '06, right?

Skus? (1)

Andy_R (114137) | about 9 years ago | (#13387964)

What on earth is a 'skus'?

Re:Skus? (2, Informative)

PhilHibbs (4537) | about 9 years ago | (#13387970)

Re:Skus? (2, Funny)

FidelCatsro (861135) | about 9 years ago | (#13387990)

I knew it , those Swedish communists are at it again , trying to control the world console market

Re:Skus? (5, Informative)

elwin_windleaf (643442) | about 9 years ago | (#13387975)

SKU - Stock Keeping Unit. It's what stores like EB use to reorder their merchandise internally. The standalone X-Box 360 will have one SKU, where the bundle will probably have another. It's the x-digit number located below the price on the EB pricetag. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Stock_Keeping_Unit [wikipedia.org]

Re:Skus? (0, Redundant)

BusterB (10791) | about 9 years ago | (#13388029)

Stock Keeping Unit. A common term for a unique numeric identifier, used most commonly in online business to refer to a specific product in inventory or in a catalog.

Re:Skus? (1)

justforaday (560408) | about 9 years ago | (#13388342)

...used most commonly in online business...

Except the term SKU was heavily in use long before online business existed.

Re:Skus? (0, Redundant)

FirienFirien (857374) | about 9 years ago | (#13388031)

A SKU is a stock-keeping unit - essentially, it's what a barcode represents. A first gen xbox is one sku; a special edition xbox is another sku; an xbox 360 is a sku; a package bundle is also a sku. A single barcode can represent anything - including a compilation of other barcodes - and the blanket term for 'thing that can be represented' is SKU. HTH.

Re:Skus? (3, Funny)

Lemental (719730) | about 9 years ago | (#13388169)

I guess you never worked retail in your life.

You lucky bastard.

Worked real well... (4, Insightful)

badasscat (563442) | about 9 years ago | (#13387995)

...for the PSP [cnn.com] , didn't it?

Consumers aren't going to bite on this. There's a limit to what people will accept. Forced bundles worked for the PS2 but that's really the only time they've worked, and everybody knows now that if you just wait 5 minutes there will be plenty of bare systems around to buy if that's what you want.

I have no doubt - none - that you'll be able to walk into a store on launch day, plunk down $300 or $400, and walk out with nothing but an Xbox 360 box if that's all you want. That's the way it was on PSP and DS launch day, and MS is saying they'll have a million Xbox 360's on sale at that system's launch. Save your money - don't preorder. Don't be a sucker. Show these idiots that forced bundles don't work anymore.

Re:Worked real well... (1)

Intocabile (532593) | about 9 years ago | (#13388483)

Actually they worked pretty well for the first Xbox (highest game attach rate of last gen consoles) but we're talking two games not this 4 game bullshit.

Re:Worked real well... (2, Insightful)

apoc06 (853263) | about 9 years ago | (#13388594)

well, i think that the bundles work well with those people who always have to have the hot new thing first: the fanboy/ fanatic with the deep pockets. they would most likely buy all of the extras on their own anyways, and pick up two or three of the bundled games anyways. so to the buyer who preorders and or camps out opening day for a x360, the bundle isnt a nuisance. its a convenience for them, since they can be assured that they can take the system home and not have to trek out and fight their way back to the store for the next launch game they want to buy after beating x game during the first night.

the nuisance comes for the rest of us. the budget gamers. the problem appears when they dont present us with the option. sonys psp bundle was the only option available. not really a problem, they didnt /really/ force you into buying anything the average user didnt want/ need anyways. if anything people were upset b/c they planned on buying their own headphones/ cases/ etc... anyways, and didnt want to buy them twice. im saying thats okay, because for the most part, those were accessories.

with the x360, you could shop around for someplace without bundles and for me thats fine; i live in a major city. but if walmart and EB are the only retailers in your town you can walk in on launch day and pick one up, you will get extremely shafted if they only offer $500+ bundles. with that the average buyer ends up with something he doesnt need/ want.

with the harddrive, you have to pay for the remote as well. with the remote you have to pay for the harddrive. you want dead or alive4, you get stuck with kameo as well. ad nauseum.

say you want an x360, and you love halo2... so you need a harddrive for backwards compatibility. cool. you cant mail order one since all you have is a P.O. Box. you walk into your nearest retailer, and find yourself stuck having to purchase a bundle. you wanted to get a game with the system already... thats fine. but not you get three other games you have no interest in, and your pocket is $150 lighter.

Re:Worked real well... (2, Insightful)

metamatic (202216) | about 9 years ago | (#13389068)

Furthermore, if you wait a month or so, you'll be able to walk into a store and find piles of Xbox 360s sitting unsold, because that's how it was with the first Xbox.

Re:Worked real well... (1)

edwdig (47888) | about 9 years ago | (#13389679)

Bundles worked well for the GameCube launch. Then again, even with 3 games, and extra controller, and a memory card, it only brought the price up to $400.

Jesus, that's a lot for a game system (2, Insightful)

KingSkippus (799657) | about 9 years ago | (#13387997)

Not that Microsoft people read Slashdot, but in case one happens to...

That's just too much for a game system. I usually buy the new consoles when they come out (proud owner of a PS2, XBox, and Atari 2600), but these prices have pushed them out of the realm of game system and into the realm of major electronics investment. Even the so-called "core bundle" is as expensive than what I paid for my surround-sound system. More expensive bundles are pushing what I paid for my flat screen HDTV, which is the centerpiece of my whole entertainment system.

I know that Microsoft is trying to push the XBox 360 as a high-end electronics component, but the vast majority of people are going to just see it as a fancy game system. If you look at the official fact sheet [xbox.com] , there is little to support anything more than that. A Windows Media Center extender? How many people do they think own Windows Media Center PCs anyway?

I guess what I'm saying is that while the XBox 360 looks like a really kick-ass game system, $600 to $700 is just too much money to pay to watch the Dead or Alive [gamespot.com] girls do their thing.

Re:Jesus, that's a lot for a game system (4, Interesting)

cgenman (325138) | about 9 years ago | (#13388159)

That's not a microsoft decision. That's a decision of the retailers trying to milk the game-buying public for all they are worth. EB seems to repeatedly be the worst in this regard, which is ironic considering they're theoretically trying to stop people from just buying their system at Target.

The X360 itself is only 400 dollars, which seems within the realm of what the PS2 and PS1 launched at. Don't worry, that price will come down soon. I wouldn't be surprised if it fell 50 - 100 dollars in it's first year out.

Re:Jesus, that's a lot for a game system (0, Troll)

Red Flayer (890720) | about 9 years ago | (#13390106)

Retailers fully understand that sales of the 360 will be abysmal at a price point of $600 (especially once they've bundled the accessories and games), which is why they've pressured MS to release a scaled-down version.

Base model of the XBox 360 will retail for about $400. Full functionality will require spending another couple hundred bucks -- want to play XBox games? Better have that hard drive. Want a second controller? How about a memory card?

The decision to bundle XBox 360 consoles is made by retailers, but the decision to do so is enabled by MS's pricing and distribution policies -- a limited supply at product release ensures that fanatics will pay whatever the retailer wants.

It remains to be seen if the market will bear a price so high.

IMO, the only reason to purchase the XBox 360 is because of the extra potential that 2nd generation games will (hopefully) utilize. Without buying the full-fledged model, all I can say is... good luck with that.

From a sales standpoint, there is a world of difference between $249 and $399. Much of the market for consumer electronics balks at paying more than $300 for an appliance. I, for one, will not pay more than $200 for a game system, period.

Does this lock me out of a new console for a while? Sure.

But are the games that take full advantage of a console's power available within a year of launch? No way. And until those games are released, I have a better time with tried-and-true games on the previous generation of consoles.

Re:Jesus, that's a lot for a game system (1)

NeMon'ess (160583) | about 9 years ago | (#13391050)

No the base model is 300. 400 with the hard drive. Don't need a memory card once I have the hard drive. If I get my friends to buy a 360 so we can game over Live, they can bring their own controller over for when we do co-op.

You may have psychological issues with the number 250, but I assure you a $200 SNES in 1991 adjusted for inflation would be $250 today.

Re:Jesus, that's a lot for a game system (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 9 years ago | (#13388861)

That's just too much for a game system. I usually buy the new consoles when they come out (proud owner of a PS2, XBox, and Atari 2600), but these prices have pushed them out of the realm of game system and into the realm of major electronics investment.

You claim that the Xbox 360 at $299 or $399 is too expensive (I don't think the EB Games preorder ripoff is a proper basis of comparison), yet the Atari 2600 was introduced in 1977 for the low low price of $200 [classicgaming.com] . Using the consumer price index [bls.gov] as a guide, $200 in 1977 * (188.9/60.6) = $623 in today's dollars [based on the whole year average]. Furthermore, the price of the Atari 2600 didn't drop significantly until the introduction of the Atari 5200 in 1982.

It seems odd that you were willing to buy a gaming system for ~$600 almost 25-30 years ago, when you presumably had less disposable income, to watch poorly rendered aliens march back and forth across your standard definition television through a composite/RF connection, but you aren't willing to buy a vastly superior system for a similar fraction of your earning capacity.

I don't agree. While I am not inclined to pay more than the MSRP for the console, an enthusiast will apparently have no problem giving up that much of their [slashdot.org] hard earned cash.

Re:Jesus, that's a lot for a game system (-1, Flamebait)

Anonymous Coward | about 9 years ago | (#13388955)

The 2600 was a powerful system with amazing games.

The 360 is a weak system with nothing but crap for launch titles.

The xbox fanboys are already talking about '2nd gen' 360 games being when the 'good stuff' finally comes out.

Even many diehard xbox fans are calling the turd of a console the xbox 1.5...

Re:Jesus, that's a lot for a game system (1)

phxbadash (883828) | about 9 years ago | (#13389525)

And that is going to be different from any other console launch how? I bought a total of 1 game for my ps2, SSX, mostly because I was forced to because of one of these bundle deals. Granted it was a great game but it was about the only one worth getting at the PS2 launch. 2nd generation games are always better than first generation, although many second generation games are still big steaming cow patty's.

Re:Jesus, that's a lot for a game system (2, Insightful)

araczynski (265221) | about 9 years ago | (#13390723)

your calculations don't take into account that "back then" technology costs (in fabrication) were generally higher then they are now. besides, the 'wow' factor of owning one of the first home consoles was 'worth' much more back then then buying just another console today with more rehashed games.

Re:Jesus, that's a lot for a game system (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 9 years ago | (#13391924)

How do you propose to quantify "technology costs" and the "wow factor"?

Besides... an Xbox core is $299, which is much less than $623. You'd have a hard time arguing that there should be a greater than 50% depreciation caused by those intangibles.

Re:Jesus, that's a lot for a game system (4, Informative)

samdu (114873) | about 9 years ago | (#13389181)

Agree 100%. I have the following systems:

CD32
Jaguar
N64
Saturn
Playstation 1
Dreamcast
PS2
Gamecube

Of those, the only one I didn't buy at launch was the Gamecube. I have no plans on getting a 360, but if they do this same thing with the PS3, I'll have to wait until it's available unbundled. I don't see the logic of throwing FOUR games into a bundle. Well, I see the greed logic behind it, but not the rational logic behind it. If there are supposed to be up to 40 games available at launch, shouldn't they at least make it four games of your choice? Better yet, why not ONE game of your choice? $700.00 is just too much to drop on a game system at one time. I think Little Timmy might have to play his X-Box 1 for a while longer.

Re:Jesus, that's a lot for a game system (1)

mconeone (765767) | about 9 years ago | (#13390621)

Seriously, at $60 apiece, dropping 3 games would cause the bundle would drop to around $520-$530.

Re:Jesus, that's a lot for a game system (1)

superpulpsicle (533373) | about 9 years ago | (#13391428)

At $600 the console has got to cater to adults at least the 1st generation games.

Re:Jesus, that's a lot for a game system (1)

Blakey Rat (99501) | about 9 years ago | (#13391311)

Wait a second... there are two possibilities here:

1) Microsoft bought EB Games somehow while avoiding any press coverage whatsoever, and now controls everything EB Games does, or:

2) You're an idiot.

Seriously, though, how the hell does Microsoft have any say in the matter? Microsoft priced the consoles at $300 for the "lite" one and $400 for the standard one. Anything beyond that is out of their hands, and out of their control, and your little rant here is completely misdirected.

Daaaaaamn... (3, Funny)

werewolf1031 (869837) | about 9 years ago | (#13388005)

Am I the only one thinking "holy crap I could buy a half-decent PC for that price?!"

Re:Daaaaaamn... (2, Funny)

steveo777 (183629) | about 9 years ago | (#13388113)

"Holy crap, you could upgrade to an amazing PC for that price"
Usually, all that needs replacing is the CPU/MOBO, and video card. Possibly RAM, but odds are, just buying a reletivley high-end vid card will do the trick, and allow you to play most of the games that are at least a month old!
On the other hand, don't be embarrased if you have to run a game at it's minimum settings. There's always Starcraft.
And on a side-note, Alienware Schmalian-ware.

Re:Daaaaaamn... (3, Funny)

wed128 (722152) | about 9 years ago | (#13388549)

hehe you said Schmalian-ware. Wish i had mod points.

Yes, but its worth it (4, Insightful)

el_womble (779715) | about 9 years ago | (#13388304)

Yes, but said PC wouldn't look pretty under the TV. Only since living with my significantly better half have I realised how important that feature is.

If I've learn't one thing over the last few years: wireless controllers were invented for men who live with women. Women hate wires. They see them as mess. Mess means grief. Its worth paying more for less grief - even if it means there is a little bit of lag, and extra batteries to buy.

Consoles tend to be quieter than PCs. Again this is important. If said better half is in the room whilst you're playing (a rarity) all they can hear is the fan, even if you've got the 5.1 turned up to 11.

Consoles have near instant on. This is important because a good women demands a lot of attention, and doesn't like to think that her precious 'you and me' time is shared between her and a 'stupid box in the corner'. You need to be able to grab every moment you can when and if you can, instant on is important for this.

Consoles can be bought as presents. If you live on a budget, and the better half wants to splash out on you don't ask her to buy you a new PC. She'll get it wrong. Ask her to buy you a XBox 360 and 9/10 she'll get it right and everyone is happy.

   

Re:Yes, but its worth it (2, Interesting)

bigman2003 (671309) | about 9 years ago | (#13388424)

Very insightful post.

The main reason I tell my wife I need a 360 is the wireless controllers. Just the selling point of 'we can get rid of these wires' helps it make sense to her.

My wife isn't jealous of the time games take away from 'US'. She's upset because when I'm playing games, she can't watch 'Law and Order.'

Re:Yes, but its worth it (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 9 years ago | (#13388944)

Every console since NES has had a wireless controller bro.

Re:Yes, but its worth it (1)

bigman2003 (671309) | about 9 years ago | (#13389070)

But when you want to spend $700...that's the time to tell the wife.

You don't want to shoot your wad too early.

Re:Yes, but its worth it (3, Funny)

aweraw (557447) | about 9 years ago | (#13388656)

well... at least we know who wears the pants in that relationship.

Seriously, lag on any video games controller is unacceptable. I feel sorry for you that your partner is such a tight ass bitch.

Re:Yes, but its worth it (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 9 years ago | (#13390275)

You obviously haven't tried the newer wireless controllers (Logitech wireless PS2 and Xbox controllers work fabulously). Also, tight women aren't so bad.

Re:Yes, but its worth it (1)

Txiasaeia (581598) | about 9 years ago | (#13390687)

Lag? There's absolutely no difference in performance between a Wavebird and a wired Gamecube controller. Have you actually tried using a modern wireless controller?

Damn straight (1)

solomonrex (848655) | about 9 years ago | (#13388872)

And some other points:

Media Center PCs ARE this price. People still aren't buying them.

Wireless controllers are like remote controls you never have to share. And when the children and pets come, it's a lot easier to hide/move/keep out of reach.

I just don't think instant-on applies. My XP laptop wakes up nearly instantly, then the boot-up time for WCIII is no worse than GT4 - and GT4 takes longer with all the individual races to load. It's just a lot nicer to play laying back on the couch than using a dinner tray as a desk.

Re:Yes, but its worth it (1)

raffe (28595) | about 9 years ago | (#13388969)

AMEN to that!!!

Re:Yes, but its worth it (2, Insightful)

ElleyKitten (715519) | about 9 years ago | (#13390263)

>>>If I've learn't one thing over the last few years: wireless controllers were invented for men who live with women. Women hate wires. They see them as mess.

I hate generalizations, especially about women, because even though I am a woman, I have many women friends, I have lived with women, I have dated women, etc, I almost never hear a generalization about women (especially on slashdot) that applies to me or any of the women I have ever known. I have never heard a woman complain about wires because they're "a mess". I've heard them complain about wires because they don't reach the couch/bed/chair/whatever and they have to sit on the floor, or because someone tripped over the wire and messed up their game. But, usually we just get a big fluffy pillow to sit on and yell at people who come between us and our games. Though my husband has been on a kick recently that we need to replace all our controllers with wireless because the way I wrap up the cords "hurts" them. I think he's insane.

Needless to say, I think all the other generalizations you make are crap too, but I don't feel like getting ranty about them. Just remember in the future that what is true for the woman you're with is not true for every woman.

Re:Yes, but its worth it (-1, Flamebait)

Anonymous Coward | about 9 years ago | (#13390301)

Shut up you cunt.

Re:Yes, but its worth it (2, Informative)

el_womble (779715) | about 9 years ago | (#13391460)

Only a fool believes in generalizations... but in an all male crowd they normally get a laugh. I have no idea why this got modded insightful. I was aiming for flaimbait! Short of doing a mother-in-law sketch I thought it was obvious that my tounge was firmly in my cheek. I offically appogise for any offense I may have caused.

PS
Do you have any photos of you and your ex-date? :p

Re:Yes, but its worth it (1)

indytx (825419) | about 9 years ago | (#13390907)

Quit spying on me!

Re:Daaaaaamn... (1)

chrish (4714) | about 9 years ago | (#13388911)

If you want to keep the hardware simplicity and non-beige-box design, you can get a Mac Mini for $500 US.

Re:Daaaaaamn... (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 9 years ago | (#13391345)

Or a 24" dell LCD monitor. Shop around and sometimes you can get them for ~700

Here's an idea (1)

Kawahee (901497) | about 9 years ago | (#13388011)

Here's an idea... why don't you just buy the core system AND Halo 3? Or better yet, WAIT until Halo 3 is released when PS3 is launched, and after Microsoft slashes prices. I'm buying and XBOX 360 Complete/whatever pack that has the HDD and wireless controller/headset whatever, plus Halo 3. Total cost = XBOX + Halo 3. Which, when the time comes, will be something like 300 to 400$

Re:Here's an idea (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 9 years ago | (#13388032)

Wow, you're gonna shell out four bills so you can play Halo yet the fuck again. You're a real savvy consumer, guy.

Re:Here's an idea (2, Funny)

Meagermanx (768421) | about 9 years ago | (#13388322)

But Halo 3 will let you hold 3 guns at once!! None of the cool ones, but what do you expect?
Halo 3 will also have you play a soldier of the flood. Of course, it'll be exactly like the other two races, but your hand will look really different.
Halo 3 will also nerf the only good weapon (*cough*pistol*cough*) and introduce a cool new weapon to take its place as the most powerful.
  That new weapon will, of course, be replaced in Halo 4.

Feh. I'm pretty sick of Microsoft. (1, Interesting)

numbski (515011) | about 9 years ago | (#13388019)

I never bought an XBox from them, and I'm just waiting for the 360 to come out so I can pick up an XBox on the cheap - used, the day after the 360 comes out so I can drop Linux on a couple of them for MythTV.

The only reason I might ever have considered the XBox is due to the fact that it could do real HD output at 720p, where my PS2 couldn't.

That's not enough to make me do business with Microsoft though. Sorry.

The people I would love to hurt are the ones at Square-Enix. If I understand right, Final Fantasy is now 360-exclusive. So much for Final Fantasy. :\

Re:Feh. I'm pretty sick of Microsoft. (1)

thezapper77 (842213) | about 9 years ago | (#13388079)

If I understand right, Final Fantasy is now 360-exclusive.

I'm not sure where you got that from, but I don't think anything along those lines has ever been said by Square-Enix.
The only announcement thus far is for FFXI on Xbox360. FFXII is on PS2. FFXIII has not been announced for a specific console. Square-Enix has said that they will support the Xbox360, but not exclusively (as yet, at least).

Re:Feh. I'm pretty sick of Microsoft. (2, Informative)

falcon5768 (629591) | about 9 years ago | (#13388124)

No its not exclusive, infact they have stated just the opposit, that they hope to be getting it onto any system that can support it (which leads people to beleive a PS3 and Mac version is comming)

Re:Feh. I'm pretty sick of Microsoft. (2, Insightful)

SeekerDarksteel (896422) | about 9 years ago | (#13388186)

If I understand right, Final Fantasy is now 360-exclusive. So much for Final Fantasy. :\ There's no way Square-Enix would go Xbox exclusive unless the 360 manages to gain significantly more than 1% market share [ebusinessforum.com] in S-E's home country. It's just begging to cut out half your consumer base. However, note that in the article I just linked to it states that a separate company, run by one of the creators of Final Fantasy, will be making at least two RPGs for the 360. It doesn't state whether or not they will be exclusive but I assume they will be. That may be the source of all the FF is now Xbox exclusive rumors I've been hearing for awhile.

Re:Feh. I'm pretty sick of Microsoft. (2, Interesting)

hollismb (817357) | about 9 years ago | (#13389279)

You do realize that this is EB Games creating the bundle, and not Microsoft, right? Wait until launch day, come in a little late to work, and stop by a Best Buy or Target first thing in the morning. Cost to you: 399 plus tax. Seriously, nobody ever goes into Target the first day to buy game systems. When PSPs were hard to come by at game stores the first couple weeks, Target was overloaded with them. Best Buy will sell out pretty quickly, but they always do a preorder card months before, which will be for the system only.

Re:Feh. I'm pretty sick of Microsoft. (2, Informative)

Txiasaeia (581598) | about 9 years ago | (#13390711)

If you're in Canada, I'd suggest Canadian Tire. On PS2 launch day, when every other store in the city was sold out of PS2s, every Canadian Tire in the city had at least ten consoles sitting on the shelves.

Re:Feh. I'm pretty sick of Microsoft. (2, Informative)

PhoenixFlare (319467) | about 9 years ago | (#13389754)

The people I would love to hurt are the ones at Square-Enix. If I understand right, Final Fantasy is now 360-exclusive. So much for Final Fantasy. :\

Where in the world did you get that idea? FF XI is going to be ported, but that's pretty much it for the moment.

There's another "main" FF game [gamefaqs.com] coming out for the PS2, as well.

Re:Feh. I'm pretty sick of Microsoft. (1)

hobbesx (259250) | about 9 years ago | (#13390309)

so I can drop Linux on a couple of them for MythTV.


Shhhhhh! I'd like used XBoxen to be 5 for $100 come Christmas time... :)

Re:Feh. I'm pretty sick of Microsoft. (1)

edwdig (47888) | about 9 years ago | (#13390530)

The people I would love to hurt are the ones at Square-Enix. If I understand right, Final Fantasy is now 360-exclusive. So much for Final Fantasy. :\

Making a major RPG Xbox exclusive would be a major mistake. The majority of RPG sales come from Japan, where the Xbox doesn't sell very well.

Considering Square-Enix is the biggest name in RPGs, I would think they would know better than anyone what a mistake that would be.

Re:Feh. I'm pretty sick of Microsoft. (1)

Brantano (908473) | about 9 years ago | (#13390604)

Final Fantasy will NOT be 360-exclusive, however they said that they may make a single FF 360-Exclusive game.

uh,,, (1)

mattcurrie (192138) | about 9 years ago | (#13388020)

You have _got_ to be kidding...

...where are those "Microsoft is making the biggest mistake" trolls when u need them :)

Re:uh,,, (5, Interesting)

Anonymous Coward | about 9 years ago | (#13388095)

It's not just Microsoft fucking up here. The PS3 is probably going to cost about the same amount, and for what? More, prettier, and increasingly mediocre sequels of games that we've already played to death. No matter how shiny the Halo dude's helmet gets, no matter how many cars and cities they add to Grand Theft Auto, eventually even the thickest-skulled fanboy is going to realize that he's been paying too much money to play the same damn game over and over again for years.

I see another video game crash coming. I certainly won't be buying any of the Next Big Systems, and I don't think I'm the only one.

Re:uh,,, (1)

MixMasterPsych (901284) | about 9 years ago | (#13389675)

Like many rational people above mentioned, no one is going to hold a gun to your head and make you go to EB to buy an Xbox Bundle. Buy one wherever you want, it won't be that hard. Christ...

This is why I gloss over nearly everything in the gaming forums anymore. Rumor comes around, talking heads take it as fact and run around saying, "Oh my god the new systems are gonna cost a MILLION dollars?!?! Holy fuck!!! I smell a gaming crash."

The industry is more healthy that it's ever been regardles of what JoeSlashdotUser thinks. Try to think of someone you know that hasn't at least played the with the big 3 systems or PC, much less owns them, hard eh? Plus, think about the technology you're actually getting in these little boxes, and what they used to cost with inflation figured in and all, and it's not THAT bad. Christ. Again. Calm down people.

People bark about "playing the same damn game over and over", well hell, think about it. Has there ever been a time in gaming history that you can really look back on and see the absolute flood of games for multiple systems and platforms that's around currently? There really is something for everyone, really. Don't play Madden 0x, or GTA:IX Bagdhad if you don't want to...given the variety and creativity that's really out there if you just look, everyone can find something they like. And they will. Come release day for all these systems, people will be buying them, playing games...unlike you Curmudgeon Gamer hearkening for the old days of Pong.

$19 savings (1)

imstanny (722685) | about 9 years ago | (#13388026)

bah, I'm not impressed. Especially since it can be safely speculated that those 4 games are not necessarily the 4 games someone would want above all others.

Christmas or not, I'd definately get my games off ebay.

Da Doom for 360! (1)

blueZhift (652272) | about 9 years ago | (#13388133)

Ugh! Are they crazy? It looks like Xbox 360 is going to price its way right out of many living rooms. There's no way I'm paying $600-$700 for this. Where is the market they seem to be aiming for? What launch games will justify this? And quite honestly, what is the current Xbox not doing that is going to make people go out and buy a much much more expensive console without a lot of games? This bundling madness has got to stop or else it's going to put a real damper on the launch much like expensive bundles did for the PSP launch.

Re:Da Doom for 360! (1)

*weasel (174362) | about 9 years ago | (#13388203)

Well, these would be insane preorder bundles - so it's safe to assume they're aimed at the insane preorder crowd.

Clearly, this is not for mere mortals who actually need to justify the purchase of new consoles and shiny gadgets.

Meatspace retailers will sell the two core bundles and rest assured, normal people will be able to put a 360 and perfect dark 0 under the tree for $350.

Re:Da Doom for 360! (1)

PhoenixFlare (319467) | about 9 years ago | (#13388272)

Meatspace retailers will sell the two core bundles and rest assured, normal people will be able to put a 360 and perfect dark 0 under the tree for $350.

Maybe i'm just a cheap bastard, but $350 for a system and one game is still about $100 too expensive.

Re:Da Doom for 360! (1)

*weasel (174362) | about 9 years ago | (#13389819)

It's what everyone paid at launch last go-round.

Re:Da Doom for 360! (1)

PhoenixFlare (319467) | about 9 years ago | (#13389957)

Yet another reason why I didn't buy one of those either :)

Bought a Gamecube when it was at $150, with a free game, and a used PS2 with a couple games for $130.

Planning on buying a Revolution so far, especially with (among other things) the far more sane price point that has been rumored.

Re:Da Doom for 360! (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 9 years ago | (#13388294)

"Meatspace retailers will sell the two core bundles and rest assured, normal people will be able to put a 360 and perfect dark 0 under the tree for $350."

A 360 and PD0???

Talk about Worst Christmas Present Ever.

Nintendo dumped Rare for a reason...

Re:Da Doom for 360! (2, Insightful)

Winterblink (575267) | about 9 years ago | (#13388430)

But people will buy it just the same. I remember the same type of chatter that went on when the PS2 came out, and those flew off the shelves.

When the box launches, you watch how many preorders are fulfilled and how many walk-in purchases are made. It will no doubt break records, and these pre-launch gripes about pricing will be all but forgotten. Most likely replaced with "was it worth it?" type of discussions. :)

Re:Da Doom for 360! (1)

milkman_matt (593465) | about 9 years ago | (#13391929)

Ugh! Are they crazy? It looks like Xbox 360 is going to price its way right out of many living rooms. There's no way I'm paying $600-$700 for this. Where is the market they seem to be aiming for?

Absolutely, and I think the majority of people here will agree with you. 600? 700? for a GAME CONSOLE? that's just absolutely ridiculous, hopefully we won't run into this with the ps3. I didn't really want an XB360 anyway, now this gives me a much better reason to not buy it. I think the PS3 is going to be higher quality anyway.. Sony, in my experience, usually has pretty good quality, MS?... well, not quite. Now even 500+ for a sub-par quality system? I'd rather buy the higher quality one for half the price. Maybe I'll get an XB360 in a few years when they're cheap, but I'm sure I'll hope to end up with a ps3 early on.

The game bundle is puzzling (1)

BlackCobra43 (596714) | about 9 years ago | (#13388215)

It's too diversified. How many gamers are interested in *all* of these titles? Because otherwise (remember, you only save 20$ on the bundle) the bundle doesn't save you a buck over the suggested retail price.

Re:The game bundle is puzzling (1)

Gulthek (12570) | about 9 years ago | (#13388818)

I'm interested in all the titles. In just about any title as a matter of fact. Especially when they get to the under $20 bin.

Re:The game bundle is puzzling (1)

GigsVT (208848) | about 9 years ago | (#13388980)

MS is just using tactics they are good at... bundling.

Remember, you don't have to have even a majority of the market to be engaging in illegal anticompetitive practices... one of which is bundling products people don't want with one that they do.

I Really Wanted To Excited For The 360 (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 9 years ago | (#13388221)

After loving my Xbox and Halo, Halo 2 was a major dissapointment and I was really looking to the 360 to be the one where MS really got things right.

How wrong that hope was.

I honestly can't think of anything they have done right with the 360. As others have said recently, it is almost like Microsoft is intentionally trying to fuck things up. The 360 + accessories + games total price has turned what was a maybe purchase into a no way in hell purchase.

I am so pissed off at Microsoft these days that I don't think I will ever buy another Xbox at any price.

The fuckers running the 360 need to be fired and competent people need to be found to replace them. Microsoft should be able to afford to pay any price to get the best people to run the 360 project.

Re:I Really Wanted To Excited For The 360 (3, Insightful)

phxbadash (883828) | about 9 years ago | (#13389610)

Why is everyone saying that microsoft is behind these bundles? It's EB that has created them not MS.

Is the whole slashdot community really full clueless asshats?

Re:I Really Wanted To Excited For The 360 (1, Funny)

Anonymous Coward | about 9 years ago | (#13389915)

"Is the whole slashdot community really full clueless asshats?"

Nah, some of them haven't eaten yet.

Re:I Really Wanted To Excited For The 360 (1)

phxbadash (883828) | about 9 years ago | (#13389962)

The preview button is my friend. Hello mister preview button...where were you on that last one jackass......

Re:I Really Wanted To Excited For The 360 (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 9 years ago | (#13389982)

Yes

Re:I Really Wanted To Excited For The 360 (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 9 years ago | (#13390131)

Is the whole slashdot community really full clueless asshats?

In a word? Yes

They need to get Seamus Blackley back on board. (1)

RoadDoggFL (876257) | about 9 years ago | (#13391145)

"Game is art." If only it was him talking instead of J Allard...

Meh (1)

Khuffie (818093) | about 9 years ago | (#13388323)

People need to realize that there are other stores out there, and these are the bundles that EB are offering now. People who are pre-ordering now are probably the idiots with money to burn, and they're taking advantage of that. Most likely they'll be offering non-bundled preorders. Even if they don't, and the other game retailers don't, you can always buy an Xbox at non-game retailers (Best Buy, Walmart, Target, etc, and from my experience they usually don't sell out as fast). I got my PSP, minus the bundle, on launch day pre-ordering from Compusmart (a canadian retailer). The day after launch I walked into Futureshop (a canadian Best Buy like store, that was bought by Best Buy...) and they had unbundled PSP's for sale. So it ain't the end of the world.

These are gonna pop up all over the place... (2, Interesting)

malchus6 (870609) | about 9 years ago | (#13388375)

People get so freaked out over what is a package at a retailer. It's not like the EB death squads will be coming around to collect your $700 for the evil M$FT!!! Buy the console, get a game or two if you like and relax. These packages are gonna be all over the place, hopefully we are only seeing hysteria because it is more or less the first one out there.. Do you honestly think these packages are gonna make up a large percentage of 360 sales? I really can't see that being the case.

EB sucks (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 9 years ago | (#13388457)

I can never find a damn thing in their stores, they bundle everything, they give used games preferential/more shelf space. I have a whole other rant about used games, but that's another day. EB sucks .. plain and simple. I'd rather buy my games at KMart.

Topping 700 (1)

Quinn (4474) | about 9 years ago | (#13388471)

It only tops $700 when you include shipping and handling, and the article blurb itself shows a price of $618. Misleading title.

I wouldn't have bothered quibbling, but I'm still nirged with the earlier "Planescapes Torment" gaffe.

Re:Topping 700 (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 9 years ago | (#13389005)

If you want to use 618 as the price (the cost of what they're putting in the "Core" bundle when unbundled), then you have to also use the cost of the "Premium" system when unbundled: $720.93

Hey, look at that, that's over 700! (It's *just* below 700 in the bundle: 699.92)

EB Games (1)

randomizer9 (595107) | about 9 years ago | (#13388754)

I have to wonder if this is EB Games' harebrained idea or Microsoft's. My money's on the former. With the EB/Gamestop merger coming up suddenly Best Buy and Wal-Mart are starting to sound like better places to buy games now. -shudder-

Re:EB Games (1)

cornface (900179) | about 9 years ago | (#13390489)

My money's on the former.

That's what they're counting on!

Financing? (2, Interesting)

Not-a-Neg (743469) | about 9 years ago | (#13389257)

Are any stores offering financing for this thing? There's no way in hell I can afford to hand over $700+ on a system and games, all at once!

Why not have user-selectable bundles? (1)

srivendel (909889) | about 9 years ago | (#13389939)

This is just EB Games testing the waters. Game Stop and Amazon will also be taking pre-orders. Chances are, they will use bundles too. Note to retailers: if you must do a bundle why not offer the system plus, say, two games, and have a drop-down menu so people can choose their games? I understand you don't make much on the console, but this way you could still make a profit on the games without forcing people buy games they don't care about.

Re:Why not have user-selectable bundles? (1)

samdu (114873) | about 9 years ago | (#13390030)

GameStop and EBGames will be one in the same by January. Perhaps sooner. Just an FYI.

MS Calls and Raises. (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 9 years ago | (#13390259)

OK Microsoft, you win. I fold.

ladiadadida (0, Flamebait)

Brantano (908473) | about 9 years ago | (#13390395)

To the girl complaining about generalization of women.. 1)Your not a normal women 2)You date other women 3)You play videogames 4)Therfore you are a very very small percent of women. If you look at the normal housewife, who has enough money to support there family and decorate there home (Hell..my mom does this and HATES wires..and decorates waaay too much). I know several other mothers that do this as well, along with other wives that just cant take wires. This is not a generalization of women, its a truth to most house moms and wives. Are you a wife? no, shut up.

Core System Necessities and Math (1)

robbway (200983) | about 9 years ago | (#13390428)

Most likely, you only need one game and a memory card. The rest is unecessary, especially if you don't want all the titles.

Here's a "honey" offer to their "vinegar" offer. How about core or deluxe XBox360 and $5 off the total price for each game (no duplicates) and controller. The PSP bundles were high-priced, but you got to choose your games. Since the games are by Microsoft and affiliates, they don't have to pay the licensing fee. The MSRP of $59.99 is for licensed games and the bundle games are MSRP $49.99. So $618 - $40 is $568. Hey, I'm paying $30 for the privelege of the bundle!

I think EB will soon see that heavy-handed tactics do not work.

Oh, stop moaning, PLEASE! (1)

Retroneous (879615) | about 9 years ago | (#13390817)

The same package in the UK will cost the equivalent of $948.47 - based on an assumed game price of £49.99.

So please stop your damned moaning.

Price of Original Xbox Bundles (1)

Karr (830894) | about 9 years ago | (#13390946)

As I recall, the launch bundles for the original Xbox were $500 to $700 on EBgames.com back in 2001 and the technology has certainly come a long way since then. I've watched several launches come and go on EBgames.com and they always start out high at launch and then trickle down to unbundled systems after the demand dies down. Damn capitalists! I do appreciate that they don't include a lot of unnecessary crap in their bundles, but I wish I could pick my own games. I heard through a well-connected source that when they tried that for the PSP they ended up with over 2,500 bundle combinations. Apparently a logistics nightmare. The good news is that if you don't like forced bundles (I don't) you can always go into an EB store and pre-order an unbundled system.

Launch time (2, Interesting)

Omroth (673505) | about 9 years ago | (#13391091)

The intelligent time to buy a 360 is the PS3's launch date, not it's own. Ian

Wasn't the neo geo priced this high? (1)

British (51765) | about 9 years ago | (#13391144)

IIRC the Neo Geo was $600, just for the CONSOLE. Games were an amazing $200 each.

Yeah, that sold well. And that was many moons ago.

Makes the Xbox bundles a great deal by comparison.

$1,200 Bundles Now (4, Interesting)

srivendel (909889) | about 9 years ago | (#13391221)

Game Stop now has a $1,199.83 bundle available. And theirs start at $799. Stop the insanity.

For those bitching about MS (2, Insightful)

DaveCBio (659840) | about 9 years ago | (#13391335)

Do you really think that EB and other stores won't be pushing PS3 or Revolution bundles? They want to rake in as much launch cash as they can and bundles are how they do it. The thing is, as much as people bitch and whine many would have bought the same configuration anyway and you will be able to find unbundled versions as well.

All that crap... (1)

puppetman (131489) | about 9 years ago | (#13391565)


Memory card, four games (all of which are ports), wireless controller, tote bag with Bill Gates face on it, 6 action figures from unrelated Sega Genisis games, a 14 inch orange latex dildo (the colour didn't sell well), and you have to pack away the green-fuzzy 6-month-old left over lunches from the EB staff fridge.

Whatever. Local retailers (including EB) pulled the same crap with the PSP. I'll just wait till the hype is done (again) if I decide I want one of these things.
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