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Enlightenment DR17 On the Linux Desktop

ScuttleMonkey posted more than 9 years ago | from the zen-and-the-art-of-x dept.

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StephenJoiner writes "There's a new review on Mad Penguin of the latest VectorLinux release, which includes the in-development Enlightenment DR17 desktop. As far as I know, this is the first time DR17 has appeared on a production desktop... even as a "technology preview". All I have to say is Enlightenment on VectorLinux is absolutely off the scale." Enlightenment was in Slashdot news earlier for both the involvement with Elive and their use of Epeg bits to deal with thumbnailing.

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I've never found linux to be (-1, Troll)

Anonymous Coward | more than 9 years ago | (#13391578)

Enlightening.

Maybe this will win the desktop war?

Re:I've never found linux to be (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 9 years ago | (#13391923)

Does it run on Linux?

Ok.. (5, Informative)

Karamchand (607798) | more than 9 years ago | (#13391580)

- but where's the review now? Did you wonder this too? Well, here it is! VectorLinux 5.1 Deluxe Review [madpenguin.org]

Re:Ok.. (0)

LordNightwalker (256873) | more than 9 years ago | (#13391622)

Heh, yeah, thanks. Already noticed he linked to almost everything that's somehow related, except for the article itself. ;)

Re:Ok.. (4, Funny)

terrymr (316118) | more than 9 years ago | (#13391659)

So now we're not even linking to TFA ... i guess that's one more reason people won't read it.

RE: TFA (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 9 years ago | (#13391827)

I didn't even notice the story didn't link to the article.....

Re:Ok.. (0, Troll)

bedroll (806612) | more than 9 years ago | (#13391709)

They didn't even link to in the review and I believe it's already slashdotted anyway

SLASHDOTTED (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 9 years ago | (#13391808)

Yes it is

Article? (0, Insightful)

Anonymous Coward | more than 9 years ago | (#13391584)

Howabout you link to the madpenguin article?

test (-1, Offtopic)

vadtec (658005) | more than 9 years ago | (#13391591)

test

Link to actual review (0, Redundant)

winkydink (650484) | more than 9 years ago | (#13391599)

Here [madpenguin.org] .

Re:Link to actual review (1)

amcdiarmid (856796) | more than 9 years ago | (#13391681)

Site is slashed. Coral Cache anyone?

Re:Link to actual review (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 9 years ago | (#13391700)

Howsabout you get it started instead of asking for it? (hint: add nyud.net:8090 after the domain portion of the URL)

Re:Link to actual review (1)

nocomment (239368) | more than 9 years ago | (#13391788)

I'd say mirrordot, but they didn't even link TFA which means mirror dot won't catch it. If an editor would update that, then perhaps we will be able to get there, except that mirrordot probably won't get it now that the site has been crushed.

But... (1, Funny)

Eugene Webby (891781) | more than 9 years ago | (#13391612)

Does it run Lin..

Get with the program (3, Funny)

mindwar (708277) | more than 9 years ago | (#13391793)

i believe the question is if it runs OSx86 these days.

Re:But... (-1, Redundant)

FudRucker (866063) | more than 9 years ago | (#13391837)

in Soviet Russia Linux runs Enlightenment...

wait...

here too :P

I was wondering abou that. (3, Funny)

keilinw (663210) | more than 9 years ago | (#13391615)

I was wondering what happened to Enlightenment!

LiveCD (2, Interesting)

amembleton (411990) | more than 9 years ago | (#13391631)

Is there a live cd distribution that contains Enlightenment? I can't be bothered with installing a distro just to try it out.

Re:LiveCD (3, Informative)

Anonymous Coward | more than 9 years ago | (#13391701)

If you'd followed the Elive link in the article summary, you would have found a Debian-based LiveCD with Enlightenment.

DR17? (-1, Troll)

Anonymous Coward | more than 9 years ago | (#13391636)

what the fuck is DR17?

Re:DR17? (2, Informative)

Anonymous Coward | more than 9 years ago | (#13392090)

Perhaps this isn't a troll. If you are not familiar with Enlightenment, it is not obvious.

The last release of Enlightenment [wikipedia.org] (an XWindows windows manager) was 0.16, and it used to be the default window manager for GNOME. It was released in 2000 (last stable) and an update was released December of last year (2004).

DR17 indicates it is a development release (i.e. not advisable to use in a production machine) of the next version (0.17, or "17" for short). There are some very novel things in it, and all-in-all, it is a very powerful engine. See the ./ article [slashdot.org] for interesting, albeit self-described, forward thinking of the project.

Ubuntu + E17 (5, Informative)

trevordactyl (908770) | more than 9 years ago | (#13391641)

There was recently a how-to posted on getting Ubuntu and E16-E17 paired up on ubuntu forums if anyone is interested and hasn't seen it:

http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=54476 [ubuntuforums.org]

Re:Ubuntu + E17 (4, Informative)

RiotXIX (230569) | more than 9 years ago | (#13391688)

Also, www.get-e.org is the best site i've come across for installing e17 (would have been lost without it).

Re:Ubuntu + E17 (4, Informative)

i_should_be_working (720372) | more than 9 years ago | (#13391696)

This thread [ubuntuforums.org] is a bit more straightforward as it's focused only on installing e17.

Vapourware (-1, Flamebait)

Anonymous Coward | more than 9 years ago | (#13391767)

E is cool and everything, but it has been in Beta for what ... 8 years now?

It may be nice tech demo, but let us face it, it is a dead end street.

I mean I got it to run on my old HP-UX workstation back in the day. But what has it done of _use_ latetly.

Sorry I am asking for results as opposed to merely worshiping at the alter of "Oh, shiny."

Of course, I'll get modded as Troll or Flamebait for not toeing the line.

Re:Vapourware (5, Informative)

picklepuss (749206) | more than 9 years ago | (#13391844)

Actually if you look on Rasterman.com, he does a few comparisons of different stock window managers using a script that he wrote, and E-17 kills.

http://www.rasterman.com/index.php?page=News Scroll down to the post "E17 is being Optimized"

I'm particularly fond of the way the pager behaves. I like being able to drag and drop iconified windows between desktops. Although this works in Gnome, it will place the window in the new desktop at the same coordinates it was in the old one. With the pager in E, you can actually *place* the window within the pager...

Re:Vapourware (0, Flamebait)

Tet (2721) | more than 9 years ago | (#13391944)

With the pager in E, you can actually *place* the window within the pager...

Oooh, just like you've been able to do in fvwm for 10+ years now. Oh, and if you look at his benchmark results, fvwm is faster than E17 out of the box, too.

Incidentally, I'm not knocking Raster here. He's done some wonderful stuff, and for the most part, been quite badly treated by some of the big players. But fvwm rocks.

Re:Vapourware (4, Informative)

picklepuss (749206) | more than 9 years ago | (#13392053)

Look, I'm not trying to get into a pissing match over which WM is better or anything. The parent subject indicated that E17 was vapourware, and you and I both know that's not true. He also wanted to know what was significant about it besides the eye-candy. Obviously high performance on a small footprint is significant - particularly if you take into account that it actually looks half decent.

Damn sexy too (1)

linzeal (197905) | more than 9 years ago | (#13391958)

Well it is also for some a highly functional way of organizing the desktop and has been in personal use for years. I still use enlightenment on my MAME box as it is just such a damn sexy thing to have the television with guests over.

Slashdot editors know their readers (5, Funny)

PetriBORG (518266) | more than 9 years ago | (#13391648)

Clearly the editors know their readers so well! Due to the overly popular method of not reading the article, editors have apparently stopped including links to them all together so that readers aren't bothered by those nasty changes in text colors.

Well done.

Fedora & E17 (4, Informative)

SlashdotOgre (739181) | more than 9 years ago | (#13391653)

For anyone interested in testing out Enlightenment 17 in Fedora, you can find a repository here: http://sps.nus.edu.sg/~didierbe/news_e17.html [nus.edu.sg] I've used it with FC2 & 3, haven't tried FC4 yet, but so far it's been fairly stable. I do still prefer E16, but it's worth a shot.

Re:Fedora & E17 (3, Interesting)

kwalker (1383) | more than 9 years ago | (#13391926)

I've been running E17 from that repository for a while now (On FC3) and I really like it. I still use E16 as my primary window manager because E17 is missing a few things I use (like remembering where windows go and a few other things) but it is really nice.

It's also fun running E17 inside a nested X server under E16. I had to pick up my Mac-loving graphic-artist friend after I showed him what a fully eye-candy E17 (animated background, animated menus, animated titlebars, etc) looks like without shutting down my X session.

StyleXP (-1, Troll)

superpulpsicle (533373) | more than 9 years ago | (#13391655)

We don't need 10 flavors of Gnome, KDE, Enlightment etc. We need a very customizable engine like StyleXP for windows with a billion interface skins to download.

Re:StyleXP (1)

msuarezalvarez (667058) | more than 9 years ago | (#13391706)

The difference between those flavors is not (only) in the looks but in behaviour.

Re:StyleXP (1)

Crimsane (815761) | more than 9 years ago | (#13391733)

here here.

good luck getting an ion theme [cs.tut.fi] for style XP.

a question of "lightweight" vs "heavyweight" window managers can't be answered with themes alone.

Speak for yourself (1, Informative)

Anonymous Coward | more than 9 years ago | (#13391789)

I need. What about that?
Sorry, but styles can't affect functionality [or] simplicity. If I want the eyecandy (KDE, Gnome, Enlightenment...), I can choose it. If I just want a screen to open a bunch of terminals in it (Ratpoison anyone?) I can have it too. It's called "option", and it's a blessing.

Re:StyleXP (5, Insightful)

orasio (188021) | more than 9 years ago | (#13391815)

I'll bite.
Enlightenment is not a flavor of anything.
Enlightenment is not a desktop environment a la MSWindows explorer.exe .
KDE and Gnome are something like that.

Enlightenment is a window manager evolved into a desktop shell and lots more.
Imagine you were not a Windows user, and you didn't feel their metaphor is the natural metaphor for a GUI system.
Enlightenment proposes a different interface, plus a different interaction with objects from the user perspective. You can't really compare enlightenment with gnome, because they are completely different in their own essence.
Aside from that, enlightenment is a project that provides lots of useful general purpose libs, but back in the day, they defined what general purpose meant in many areas (e.g.:imlib, esd).
They are building libs that they think should be available to anyone building next generation stuff. They can be right, like before, or they can be coding useless stuff. We'll see.

Re:StyleXP (1)

Brandybuck (704397) | more than 9 years ago | (#13391848)

Imagine you were not a Windows user, and you didn't feel their metaphor is the natural metaphor for a GUI system.

Well, you could always use Mac OSX. Wait! It uses the same metaphor! So how come no one ever bitches that KDE and GNOME are OSX ripoffs?

Re:StyleXP (1)

FLAGGR (800770) | more than 9 years ago | (#13391986)

because they're not? Have you ever used OSX? It's almost completly different. For example, with the dock+expose+the way windows get tiled, you don't need multiple desktops. First thing I did (after installing developer tools, x11 layer etc..) when I got OSX was download a multidesktop hack, but within about 2 days I found it wasn't necissary. Even the hacks that try and make KDE/etc into Aqua don't get it right (I'm assuming they're jsut looking at screenshots or something)

KDE/etc are way closer to windows then Aqua. The whole NeXT (neXt? NEXT? who knows) thing its got going is really different. Having all the windows pseudo PDF's, having everything done in opengl, all the vectorized graphics etc, and thats just visuals. The interface is vastly differnt.

Re:StyleXP (1)

colinrichardday (768814) | more than 9 years ago | (#13392016)

Because KDE predates OS X, and GNOME was released in the same month as OS X?

Re:StyleXP (4, Insightful)

LWATCDR (28044) | more than 9 years ago | (#13391830)

I find this strange... Enlightenment is not a product you are paying for. You are not paying people that are writing it. You are not a stock holder in a company developing it. What right to you have to say the people working on it shouldn't?
If you do not like it don't use it. If you want a customizable engine like StyleXP then write it. Nothing is stopping you.

Re:StyleXP (0, Flamebait)

Chanc_Gorkon (94133) | more than 9 years ago | (#13391961)

Well, that's an elitist attitude! This is the EXACT reason why Linux has a rough time on the desktop. Users are used to saying well I like this like that and I wish the taskbar was green instead of blue. Linux developers need to design FOR the user instead of themselves if they want to take market share from Microsoft. The goal of developers should be to have peolpe USE their software. I fully believe Raster cares. Otherwise they would not have rewritten Enlightenment which is what DR 17 is for the most part.

Re:StyleXP (0)

oddfox (685475) | more than 9 years ago | (#13391871)

Oh, right, the reason Linux hasn't hit it big yet on the desktop is because it's software is not as customizable and skinnable, not because of how said software behaves and interacts with software written for differing toolkits. Give me a break, for theme and style lovers you're already able to make your applications appear to seamlessly blend with one another, with a wide selection of visually appealing styles for lots of software, not to mention you can hack your own theme into pretty much any environment if you had the will to. You can either use a look-and-feel that was designed to bring the desktops together (Ala Bluecurve/Wonderland) or you can even use your QT-styles in GTK+ apps using the qt theme engine. I'm not aware of any way to bind QT to use GTK+ widgets and appearances, but I really wish they would get to developing a way, because it seems silly to be able to have my GTK+ apps use my QT style, but I can't use my GTK+ style with my QT apps.

If anything, the last thing needed is a billion different interfaces to choose from (Speaking from an average end-user standpoint who's looking for sane defaults). What we've needed for a long time is an acceptable standard that most distributions build upon for user interface design, and more cooperation between projects to ensure that simple necessities like drag-and-drop function properly, that enabling the eye-candy for high-end systems doesn't crash the system or cause other glitches (COMPOSITE extension, anyone?), and overall that performance refinements become a higher priority. Memory usage, CPU usage, there are many areas for improvement other than appearance.

QT is already extremely customizable in appearance and behaviour, and GTK+ is just as good as QT if not slightly improved (GTK+ sure does seem to get a lot more themes that get attention, at least).

P.S. -- What the heck do you mean by flavours of GNOME/KDE/Englightenment? I would think a flavour of a specific desktop environment means a theme/style, but if that were the case, then your post defeats itself.

Re:StyleXP (4, Insightful)

hungrygrue (872970) | more than 9 years ago | (#13391890)

What you are missing, however, is that no matter how many skins you can toss on XP it is still just XP painted a little differently. Can you get tabbed windows like Fluxbox? Multiple desktops like... err... everything? These different window managers and desktop environments all have different purposes and design goals. For a full desktop, there is Gnome (with its huge collection of themes), for something a little lighter on resources there is XFCE, for bare bones but slick as snot there are window managers like Fluxbox. For a shiny gaudy desktop whose applications all start with the same letter, there is KDE. These different interfaces don't just look different from each other, they also *work* differently.

Re:StyleXP (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 9 years ago | (#13391896)

enlightenment DR17 is *much* more customisable than StyleXP, in fact, StyleXP looks like simple color-changer next to it. I would reccomend just looking at get-e.org and see what can be accomplished by themes

WTF? (1, Interesting)

Anonymous Coward | more than 9 years ago | (#13391900)

Who modded you as insightful?! You clearly don't know wtf you're talking about!

If you and the modders bothered to take a look at TGTSoft's FAQ [tgtsoft.com] , you'd notice that they explicitly state that StyleXP is not a skinning engine.

What is Style XP?
Style XP is not a skinning engine. It uses Microsoft's built-in visual style engine, but enhances it by providing many useful tools. Style XP can import, select, rotate, and manage Themes, Visual Styles, Wallpaper, Logons, BootScreens, Icons, and Explorer Bar. Future versions may support sounds, cursors, screensavers, and packages of all the above.


Pfft, what a shameless plug for a sub-standard product! Jeez louise...

Re:StyleXP (1)

Cutterman (789191) | more than 9 years ago | (#13392017)

Amen!

Re:StyleXP (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 9 years ago | (#13392081)

StyleXP is not an engine, it's just a really horrible hack to enable unsigned msstyle files to be used rather than luna. It patches XP's themeing engine in memory, whooptydoo. Save yourself some money and patch the real uxtheme.dll yourself, there are plenty of free patchers available to do it.

More potential available? (4, Interesting)

Sv-Manowar (772313) | more than 9 years ago | (#13391657)

Looking at the screenshots, Enlightenment seems to be bringing amazing eye candy to the standard X server. As they haven't yet leveraged the additional transparency & acceleration features present in some developmental X servers, its exciting to think how far they can speed up and enhance these visual effects even further. Despite being in development for so long, I think this presents an interesting design/style challenge to the more conservative KDE & Gnome desktops.

Re:More potential available? (1)

dhasenan (758719) | more than 9 years ago | (#13391698)

E17 already features real transparency. Just check out the drop shadows on the epplets. Majorly cool, but it doesn't work for actual applications yet--a design decision, no doubt, and one I hope they'll correct (or at least give options for).

Re:More potential available? (1)

MindStalker (22827) | more than 9 years ago | (#13391934)

He is saying they don't leverage the transparency features find in the newest X servers. Not that they don't use transparency. Anyways according to their documentation they are purposfully building it to for backwards compatibility to only classic X features. Hopfully they will find a way to use new features while gracefully falling back when they don't exist.

Hook!! (3, Funny)

Anonymous Coward | more than 9 years ago | (#13391661)

Its off the hook! Not off the scale.

Jeez, don't you know anything about the hip-hop subculture?

My Heart! (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 9 years ago | (#13391662)

Nearly had a heart attack when I saw this, for a sec I thaught e17 had been released... finally, I have been using e16 since I first started linux (slackware 7.0) I have tried gnome, kde, windowmaker, etc. since then but always go back to enlightenment, it si just the best, I cannot wait for e17 to be finalized! but this is a good start, it leads me to beleave that it is time to try out e17 again (last time it was VERY early development stage)

Re:My Heart! (1, Interesting)

dhasenan (758719) | more than 9 years ago | (#13391720)

Naah, it'll be 2007 before it's actually released.

True, though.

Stable, beautiful.... (5, Informative)

dhasenan (758719) | more than 9 years ago | (#13391665)

I've been using E17 for the past few days. It's beautiful, and it's as stable as any desktop environment I've used--perhaps more so. Not all the features have been implemented; it still needs a menu editor to be really useful (or just tell me which config file to modify, and put one there by default), and I'd like to see an e17 terminal.

Still, it's lightweight, beautiful, features real transparency, and is unusually stable for being in heavy development.

Re:Stable, beautiful.... (1)

veediot (686343) | more than 9 years ago | (#13391742)

Stable if you have a 32-bit system, anyway. I tried using it as recently as a month ago on my Athlon 64, and during compilation I got all kinds of warnings about converting a pointer to integer of different size. Amazingly, it actually seemed to run, but the display was totally hosed, making it completely useless.

Re:Stable, beautiful.... (1)

zero count (213512) | more than 9 years ago | (#13391829)

I've been runing e17 on amd64, in 64 bit mode for a few months now. Sounds like something else is wrong.

Re:Stable, beautiful.... (1, Informative)

Anonymous Coward | more than 9 years ago | (#13391865)

Interesting, I've been using it for about 3 months on my A64 rig and it's been working fine here. You can get distribution-specific installation instructions here [get-e.org] , although I can only attest to the validity of the Gentoo install instructions since that's what I use.

Re:Stable, beautiful.... (1)

FuzzzyLogik (592766) | more than 9 years ago | (#13391752)

Way back when there was the EFM, the Enlightenment File Manager written by Mandrake back when he was on board. it was essentially a "My Computer" type setup but you could type in commands into the window (a little display of what you were typing was in the middle of the window) and then you could execute that command on that window. it was extremely useful and i wish all file managers had this capability. it was amazing.

Re:Stable, beautiful.... (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 9 years ago | (#13391795)

In my day we edited the E menu by hand there son.

E was around before KDE adn Gnome and will will be around when both of those bloated pieces of shit have gone away.

suck my nuts you young wiper snapper.

Re:Stable, beautiful.... (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 9 years ago | (#13391796)

From the default root menu (left click on background) go to Configuration > Menu Editor. You'll need a decent eapp package to be able to bring up all common applications, or you can read up on how to make your own eapp packages. Pre-packed eapp themes and lots of good documentation on http://www.get-e.org/ [get-e.org]

Re:Stable, beautiful.... (1)

zero count (213512) | more than 9 years ago | (#13391870)

install e_utils then run entangle. (It also gets added to the menu once it's installed.

Re:Stable, beautiful.... (5, Insightful)

crimson_alligator (768283) | more than 9 years ago | (#13391884)

I'm not trying to be snarky, but comments like this regarding "stability" just baffle me.

You've used E17 for the "past few days", and it is "as stable as" or perhaps more stable than any desktop environment you have used.

Therefore you have never used a desktop environment that could run for more than a "few days" without crashing?

I thought "stable" means runs for days/weeks/months/years on end without crashing. Am I wrong? If not, how do you already know that E17 is EITHER as stable as OR more stable than any other desktop environment?

This reminds me of someone telling me that Mandrake 9.2 was more stable than 9.1---the day after it was released! (No, they hadn't been using cooker.)

Re:Stable, beautiful.... (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 9 years ago | (#13392088)

Yeah, um ...

it's a GUI, not a damn server OS. Nor is it mission critical. Unless you can provide me with an application that demands "mission critical eye candy"

Just to be clear: you ARE wrong.

I'm torn. (-1, Redundant)

keilinw (663210) | more than 9 years ago | (#13391666)

When I was first exposed to Open Source (perhpas FREE) software I thought that the business model was flawed. Yet, here i am today using TONS of OPEN SOURCE SOFTWARE.

Enlightenment is realy cool... but its been BETA forever.

Looking at Mac OS X I think I see where the future lies. We need Open Source but we also need the resources of private industry to move things forward. Mac OS X is UNIX done right. Enlightenment, with all of its cool features, is still in my opinion unusable. Although I have not tried it lately - perhaps it has made leaps and bounds in improvements.

But this begs the question: what role should OSS play in today's world? What is the proper balance between free and pay? In the end, don't you get what you pay for?

Re:I'm torn. (3, Insightful)

Hinhule (811436) | more than 9 years ago | (#13391762)

In the end, don't you get what you pay for?

Traditionaly yes, but with free stuff, you get what someone else paid for. If they paid a lot, you'll get good stuff.
However people who pay a lot to make something will usually want to get their investment back.

Now software came along with people who had ideas for the greater good. People donated their time and skill for this noble goal. What do we get, in some cases quality stuff for free and in other cases junk.
With normal stuff you can actually hold in your hand, I agree that you get what you pay for, or someone scammed you.

I'm torn-Noble Gas. (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 9 years ago | (#13391913)

Noble in what way? The MS Monopoly is still with us. So basically the only noble effect is that companies get free software, and a few moochers get free software. The majority of the world continues on like nothing's happenned.

Wireless (0, Troll)

ectotherm (842918) | more than 9 years ago | (#13391735)

Maybe this version will actually have some decent support for wireless and WPA...

Got it on FreeBSD (3, Informative)

FromWithin (627720) | more than 9 years ago | (#13391737)

I use it daily on my laptop here on FreeBSD 5.4. It really is superb. I previously used xfce4, but have switched over to this now. Startup time is about 3 seconds, speed is excellent with loads of graphic effects. Themes available are really nice. The only criticism I have is the use of binary files for some config stuff (menus and icons).

I highly recommend it. Can't wait for the full release (not least because I haven't bothered to compile the extra utils).

Re:Got it on FreeBSD (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 9 years ago | (#13392089)

You got it on with FreeBSD? Eww... Netcraft confirms, you're a necrophile!

Gentoo has had it for months (5, Informative)

glimt (717527) | more than 9 years ago | (#13391749)

I'm not a Gentoo apologist or advocate, but it has had DR17 available as an ebuild (like the rest of the distribution) for months.

Re:Gentoo has had it for months (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 9 years ago | (#13391773)

I'm not a Gentoo apologist or advocate, but it has had DR17 available as an ebuild (like the rest of the distribution) for months.

So other than those two things, what's your point?

Re:Gentoo has had it for months (1)

Fastball (91927) | more than 9 years ago | (#13391828)

Apparently that some people (e.g. yourself) need things spelled out for them.

Re:Gentoo has had it for months (1)

Crimsane (815761) | more than 9 years ago | (#13391862)

CVS Ebuilds are pretty scary things.

People have had E17 for months if they managed to emerge everything in the proper order at the proper time, otherwise it took quite a bit of work to get it going.

I wouldn't recommend people try the CVS ebuilds unless they really wanted to give it a try.

Enlightenment version numbering.... (3, Interesting)

Danathar (267989) | more than 9 years ago | (#13391755)

Can somebody explain to me the reasoning behind WHY they use such a strange numbering methodology for Enlightenment?

Re:Enlightenment version numbering.... (1)

shdragon (1797) | more than 9 years ago | (#13391806)

You've never used Enlightenment have you? If you had, you'd know it really is alpha software. :D

Besides, EnlightenmentXP or Enlightenment Panther both sound silly.

Re:Enlightenment version numbering.... (1)

Danathar (267989) | more than 9 years ago | (#13392075)

Oh..it's cool software. Just did'nt understand why they chose that particular way of numbering it.

Slashdotted (3, Interesting)

nikremt (842570) | more than 9 years ago | (#13391805)

I have installed DR17 from CVS on my gentoo distribution, so I was really interested in looking at vector linux's website after reading this. However, it appears to me that since I can't get through, then they must have been slashdotted.

Re:Slashdotted (1)

piano-in-a-box (851921) | more than 9 years ago | (#13391932)

And nobody expected that...with thousands of Slashdot users downloading fullsize screenshots from them?

Mirror, anyone?

Precision in all things (5, Funny)

Nom du Keyboard (633989) | more than 9 years ago | (#13391816)

All I have to say is Enlightenment on VectorLinux is absolutely off the scale.

Which way?

"...off the scale" (0, Flamebait)

Picass0 (147474) | more than 9 years ago | (#13391939)

But is it... "Outta Site!"?
Is it "Off the Hook!!!"?
Is it "To the Max!!!"?
Is it "Total Extreme!!!"?
Is it "Rad!"?
Is it "Bitchin'!!!"?
Is it "Narly!!!"?

I need to sit down, I feel overwhelmed by a case of stupid.

Re:Precision in all things (1)

robyannetta (820243) | more than 9 years ago | (#13391977)

All I have to say is Enlightenment on VectorLinux is absolutely off the scale.

Which way?

Well, to quote "Ghostbusters":

"Went right off the top of the scale. Buried the needle! We're close on this one, I can feel it!"

I've been enlightened. (2, Funny)

kwieland in stl (830615) | more than 9 years ago | (#13391854)


eHave eYou? (iApple and KDE?)

Looks/works great on Ubuntu (3, Informative)

bad_outlook (868902) | more than 9 years ago | (#13391856)

I run e17 (16.999.whatever) on Ubuntu from a HOWTO available in the forums. There is a .deb repository you can tie into, so now even the 'Ubuntu update' auto thingy even finds updates to those, so it's part of my system now. It's very slick, feels like the speed of Fluxbox but the look of, well...nothing really; it's in a class by itself.

Speedy Enlightenment? (2, Interesting)

Doc Ruby (173196) | more than 9 years ago | (#13391859)

Anything to speed up desktop drawing. I installed Ubuntu v5.04 on my Inspiron8000/512MB/GeForce2GO, and gnome-terminal was sucking up 80% CPU, just by dragging the cursor across it! After searching all kinds of maillists, I learned to drop antialiasing, which still puts gnome-terminal at 5-15% CPU when cursor dragging. To say nothing of the rest of the drawing updates: I can see the pixels redrawing as I drag windows around, nevermind the slimetrail of "windowprints" where I dragged it from, until I drop it.

Linux usually gets much more efficient use of the same HW than Windows. But I never saw GUI lethargy like this with Windows installed on that Inspiron.

Re:Speedy Enlightenment? (2, Informative)

kwalker (1383) | more than 9 years ago | (#13392064)

A couple of things:

First, Gnome Terminal is dog slow and fat-ass. I never use it because it's such a resource drain. I use Eterm 0.9.3 actually and with the exception of it not liking some UTF-8, it works great. It takes up about 1/6 of the resources GT does.

Second, are you using the nv (Open Source) driver or the nVidia (Proprietary) driver? I've noticed the nv driver is incredibly slow compared to the nVidia driver, especially dragging windows around. I don't see pixels update, but refresh goes to about 1fps when I'm dragging Eterm windows around. With the nVidia driver, it's smooth and slick, but it randomly locks up the machine if you have RenderAccel turned on.

girls (2, Funny)

shawn443 (882648) | more than 9 years ago | (#13391948)

Real men don't use desktops, they use twm and throw down with some .twmrc

Seriously though, while those screenshots do look nice, I haven't yet looked at a flashy desktop and wished it on my system. I prefer every ounce of my cpu going to my applications. top -p 4148 just showed twm using .07 of my memory and exactly 0.0 of my cpu.

Re:girls (3, Funny)

DaCool42 (525559) | more than 9 years ago | (#13392040)

I can't believe you use that outdated WM! Get with the times and switch to FVWM!

Not trying to start a flame war (honest)... (0, Flamebait)

mjamil (318631) | more than 9 years ago | (#13391985)

What does this window manager do that Mac OS X's doesn't? It seems that it has copied the dock straight from that, and window transparency is already well supported on the Mac as well. I ask not because I'm trying to trumpet OS X; I'm trying to understand whether there's real innovation here, or whether this is being touted only because it's more advanced than Gnome/KDE.

Re:Not trying to start a flame war (honest)... (2, Insightful)

BlackFoliage (210832) | more than 9 years ago | (#13392047)

What does this window manager do that Mac OS X's doesn't?

Run on Linux? It's free software?

Re:Not trying to start a flame war (honest)... (1, Informative)

Rick and Roll (672077) | more than 9 years ago | (#13392059)

Shut up and read some history, bitch.

Enlightenment has been out longer than Mac OS X and has had an interface similar to the dock. So Apple may have copied Enlightenment, not the other way around.

I'm not trying to trumpet OS X...yeah the fuck right, you freakin' karma whore.

Re:Not trying to start a flame war (honest)... (0)

erikharrison (633719) | more than 9 years ago | (#13392116)

It runs on Linux?

e17 (5, Interesting)

Anonymous Coward | more than 9 years ago | (#13391988)

I used e17 for a few weeks last month as my primary WM. It is indeeded beautiful and all of the fancy effects worked smoothly even on my toaster 800mhz transmeta laptop, but I eventually switched back to something more stable.

It's really not ready for prime-time yet, although it is certainly close. Maybe they've fixed these bugs in the last few weeks, but I noticed-

    * sometimes windows refuse to close after their owning process has been killed. These things just linger on the screen, filled with random garbage.

    * multiple monitors profoundly confuse the desktop-switching gadget and pager

    * evidence CVS was broken, so there's no e17 native file manager and I resorted to using nautilus

And of course it needs an e17 native version of eterm... that will be excellent when it shows up :P

The themes available so far don't really make use of the way-cool stuff edje can do... e17 is going to be really amazing once more themes and applications are built with its core libraries.

Off scale (1)

northcat (827059) | more than 9 years ago | (#13392039)

What does off the scale mean? Good or bad?

Enlightenment is, was and ever shall be... (0, Redundant)

eno2001 (527078) | more than 9 years ago | (#13392041)

...the greatest desktop known to man and machine. It is what convinced me to dump Windows altogether. It is THE killer app. That is all.

The best way to run E17 (4, Informative)

poofyhairguy82 (635386) | more than 9 years ago | (#13392095)

The best way to run E17 is inside of Gnome. I call it Enlightened Gnome [ubuntuforums.org] . Then Gnome Apps look nice, you get to have nice Gnome things like it panel and its volume manager without dealing with the worst problem in Gnome (its default Window Manager-Metacity).

If you want the full effect you have to go into Gconf and tell nautilus to not draw the desktop, but otherwise it works pretty good. I have found that overall its faster than Metacity, and is more stable with xcompmgr. I just wish I could find another way to task switch in E17 that is not alt-tab, and I hope that one day E17 will conform to Freedesktop standards so I can use Kompose with it!

Form vs. Function (1)

SCHecklerX (229973) | more than 9 years ago | (#13392125)

The last time I tried enlightenment, I was not impressed. Eye candy is great, but I also want something that lets me work efficiently and consistently (Please, somebody modernize OS/2's WPS and make a WM that uses those concepts!). If enlightenment can deliver consistency and a usage model that gives us power (simple things are simple, hard things possible, etc), that would be great. If not, I'll just settle to next best thing to WPS I can find on linux, which is currently windowmaker with Rox-Filer.
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