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Piracy Not To Blame In Decline of Moviegoers

Zonk posted more than 8 years ago | from the fear-itself dept.

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lucyfersam writes "In a somewhat surprisingly earnest assessment, the NYTimes has an article about the massive decline in movie-going that does not once try to blame piracy and file-sharing programs. It sounds like studios are beginning to understand that they have only themselves to blame." From the article: "Multiples theories for the decline abound: a failure of studio marketing, the rising price of gas, the lure of alternate entertainment, even the prevalence of commercials and pesky cellphones inside once-sacrosanct theaters. But many movie executives and industry experts are beginning to conclude that something more fundamental is at work: too many Hollywood movies these days, they say, just are not good enough."

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Movie Theaters are Obsolete (5, Insightful)

A Boy and His Blob (772370) | more than 8 years ago | (#13397655)

Let me see, which would I rather do: spend $30+ on a movie ticket, popcorn, and a drink just so I can watch the latest subpar selection of movies at a time set by the theater and have popcorn thrown at me by 13 year old cell phone wielding children, OR pick up whatever movie from the redbox [redbox.com] for $0.99 (or DVD rentals through the mail) and a drink and popcorn from the local store all for less than $5 and watch it on my widescreen in the comfort of my own home. Tough call.

Re:Movie Theaters are Obsolete (5, Funny)

Your Pal Dave (33229) | more than 8 years ago | (#13397700)

Sooo, you couldn't get a date this weekend either?

Re:Movie Theaters are Obsolete (5, Insightful)

topical_surfactant (906185) | more than 8 years ago | (#13397749)

I don't know about you pal, but I'd take a hot date to my home theater over a public cinema any day.

Re:Movie Theaters are Obsolete (5, Funny)

CyricZ (887944) | more than 8 years ago | (#13397829)

I don't know about you pal, but I'd take a hot date to my home theater over a public cinema any day.

So you can show her your massive collection of authentic Japanese tentacle-rape hentai?

Re:Movie Theaters are Obsolete (4, Interesting)

KillerDeathRobot (818062) | more than 8 years ago | (#13397721)

30+ dollars on a single ticket, drink and popcorn is a bit of an exaggeration, and there's still a pretty huge difference between seeing a movie on a widescreen TV vs. an actual theater screen which is however many feet tall and wide.

I still like to see movies in the theater, but the price IS getting pretty ridiculous. And seeing a movie in a theater packed with idiots does suck. Nevertheless, I guess the article isn't really talking about me, because I probably see movies more regularly now (in the theater AND at home) than I have any time in the past.

Re:Movie Theaters are Obsolete (2, Informative)

linzeal (197905) | more than 8 years ago | (#13397816)

Prices at my local multiplex

Large Drink - $7
Large Popcorn - $7
Tea (even if you bring your own bag) - $4

All refills are free though and you get one refill on the popcorn, no extra tea bags. It is a new gimmick but I can't remember the previous prices.

Re:Movie Theaters are Obsolete (1)

Martin Blank (154261) | more than 8 years ago | (#13397843)

Two tickets ($9.50 each) plus a shared large popcorn/soda combo ($7.50) comes close to $30 ($26.50). And I usually go either first or last showing to avoid the problem people. I will make exceptions for certain movies (H2G2, for example), but generally I will not see a movie on the opening Friday because the level of stupid in the audience is too high.

Re:Movie Theaters are Obsolete (-1, Troll)

Average_Joe_Sixpack (534373) | more than 8 years ago | (#13397747)

I don't even mind the cost, since going to a movie with friends can be a nice outing. However, there are just too many obnoxious-uncivilized bastards out there who ruin the experience (One ethnic group in particular seems to have a monopoly on these creeps).

Re:Movie Theaters are Obsolete (1)

CyricZ (887944) | more than 8 years ago | (#13397772)

Have you really had popcorn thrown at you in theatres by tots, and not had the problem resolved? Indeed, that happened to a friend of mine. He went to the theatre manager, explained the problem, and the tots were swiftly thrown out of the premises.

Re:Movie Theaters are Obsolete (1)

pixelpusher220 (529617) | more than 8 years ago | (#13397812)

Problem is...your friend probably missed parts of the movie.

Did he get a free ticket to come back later? (which is *exactly* what the movie theaters want anyway)


Re:Movie Theaters are Obsolete (1)

Cerdic (904049) | more than 8 years ago | (#13397845)

Well, you don't say what country you are in, but here in the US, we have a child worshipping society that seems to have sprung up overnight.

The typical response is "they are just kids" or the kids would play dumb and nothing would happen. Their word is always taken over an adult's and that doesn't happen, all they have to do is scream "molester!" and they automatically win the argument.

Re:Movie Theaters are Obsolete (1)

JustOK (667959) | more than 8 years ago | (#13397854)

Did they pause the movie for your friend while he went to see the manager?

Re:Movie Theaters are Obsolete (1)

xtracto (837672) | more than 8 years ago | (#13397799)

I agree, but although I find a lot of advantages in watching a movie at home (like being able to pause the movie if I or someone in my family wants to go to the toilet) I still considerate the Film Theater an special place.

You see, for me and my girl, going to the cinema is like going has a special meaning, it is not just see a movie, it is like "going to the cinema"... I may not be able to explain it very well (sorry English isn't my first lang.) but it does not matter that I do not buy popcorn or soda or candies or whatever and I usually arrive 10 minutes after the movie is *supposed* to begin (to avoid advertisments), besides of all that it is something special, maybe it is because I feel I am "going to" specially the cinema, and it is part of the experience...

Of course I usually try to go to the latest times to avoid 13 year olds popcorn throwers with cellphones (oh my... how I hate cellphones in the movies)... unfortunately, in my native country (Mexico) usually people, not mattering their age, lacking on culture usually not only let their phone ring during the movie but they sometimes keep talking!!! WTF... that really pisses me off..

Re:Movie Theaters are Obsolete (1)

Saven Marek (739395) | more than 8 years ago | (#13397826)

I'm with you there. I don't go to movies regularly, I never did. Perhaps 10 times since 2000. In every one of those times I went in multiple people answered cell phones. Some rang, some were obviously vibrate only but it didn't stop people answering and holding a conversation. MANY people texted and the flash of screens as they did so was offputting.

More than a couple of times I've seen people with a laptop open and playing games or otherwise doing something that flashes on the screen.

I thought movie going was meant to be a good experience, but the times I've been lately it just hasn't. Not that I'm the target market as I've been going as much as I ever have which isn't much at all. But I bet it affects regular moviegoers too

Re:Movie Theaters are Obsolete (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 8 years ago | (#13397831)

have popcorn thrown at me by 13 year old cell phone wielding children

Does that really happen all that often? People on Slashdot constantly bitch about annoying people in theaters. Although I encounter annoying people at theaters, I don't think it's nearly often enough to change my desire to see my favorite movies on a bigger screen. I haven't gotten stuff thrown at me in quite awhile, and it's fairly rare that I hear a cell phone anymore (which only lasts a few seconds, although it still sucks). Yes, I've encountered hella annoying people, but less often than not.

It's not like there aren't enough annoyances at home anyway. My wife asking "what just happened" every 5 minutes because she thinks she can watch the movie and chat with her friends at the same time, the damn cat constantly needs attention, my annoying inlaws stopping by without notice...

Re:Movie Theaters are Obsolete (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 8 years ago | (#13397848)

The two biggest reasons that I haven't gone to a movie theatre for almost 2 years:
1) When I asked for 2 adult tickets, the cashier said (with a totally straight face) "28 dollars please".

2) Two small soft drinks and we shared a small popcorn (again with a straight face) "15 dollars please".

Add parking in downtown Toronto, etc etc and it becomes REALLY easy to hate overpaid actors.

In Other News... (5, Funny)

NorbMan (829255) | more than 8 years ago | (#13397656)

Movie Studios Curb Internet Piracy

Hollywood studios have come up with an effective method of deterring Internet file-sharing of movies: Make movies that no one wants to pirate.

Re:In Other News... (5, Insightful)

Spodlink05 (850651) | more than 8 years ago | (#13397758)

It's the same problem the record industry have. One particular film/song is successful so they just clone it and flog the same formula to death because they have no imagination whatsoever.

Hollywooods' latest non-idea seems to be re-making 70s TV series and films...badly.

Playing it safe and complete lack of imagination are killing these industries. And to add to it over-pricing and blaming your own customers for having the good taste not to watch/listen to the guff your producing is hardly going to help.

Re:In Other News... (1)

AKAImBatman (238306) | more than 8 years ago | (#13397784)

I realize that's a joke, but I'm afraid that it doesn't quite work that way. Movie pirates often don't pirate things because they really want the individual thing, they pirate them because they can. It's a bit of a gmae to them. i.e. Who can end up with the most stuff. Perhaps the most indicitive signs of this game were the rooms in DirectConnect [neo-modus.com] (since replaced with DC++ [sourceforge.net] ) that required you to have 40 to 100 GIGS of data shared. If you failed their test, a bot would auto-kick you.

I wouldn't be surprised if many pirates never use/watch the stuff they get. It's all just a game. A scavanger hunt, if you will. Whoever gets the most stuff "wins". The funny part is that they may just "win" a call from the **AA or law enforcement. What a prize. :-/

Re:In Other News... (1)

Anonymous Monkey (795756) | more than 8 years ago | (#13397791)

I find it funny that you were modded funny. This year I have gone to every movie that looked good. All one of them. ('the Guidde' if you were wondering) I don't go to movies any more because most of them are drivle.

Re:In Other News... (1)

dustman (34626) | more than 8 years ago | (#13397873)

Hollywood studios have come up with an effective method of deterring Internet file-sharing of movies: Make movies that no one wants to pirate.

This is true.

I have a friend who is obsessed with pirating movies, mostly because he loves movies but has no taste (so he gobbles up all the shit hollywood spews out), and is too poor to go to the theater.

He downloads tons of them, and burns them to disc so he can watch them on his laptop.

He's always trying to pawn them off on me, but the movies are so horrible that I didn't want to see them in the first place, let alone watch a crappy-quality transcoded-to-divx version.

I can tell you what's wrong for nothing! (5, Insightful)

garcia (6573) | more than 8 years ago | (#13397657)

In a somewhat surprisingly earnest assessment, the NYTimes has an article about the massive decline in movie-going that does not once try to blame piracy and file-sharing programs. It sounds like studios are beginning to understand that they have only themselves to blame.

But many movie executives and industry experts are beginning to conclude that something more fundamental is at work: Too many Hollywood movies these days, they say, just are not good enough.

Obviously this article was conceived, written, and posted by a BitTorrent using hacker who wants to see the continued demise of Hollywood be blamed on the wrong parties. There is no way that Hollywood is putting out bad movies. Look at how much they cost to produce, direct, edit, and market!

Even Robert Shaye, the studio leader behind "The Wedding Crashers," one of the summer's runaway hits, shares the worry about the industry's ability to connect with audiences. "I believe it's a cumulative thing, a seismic evolution of people's habits," said Mr. Shaye, chairman of New Line Cinema.

Yeah, people are annoyed with the fact that they have to pay $9.00+ to see something that cost 100+ million to make and it fucking blows. "Wait for DVD" is an all to common quote, especially with the MPAA pushing them out to the stores as fast as they can in order to attempt to curb piracy in the theatre.

It's really funny that they quoted Shaye. His movie, one of the few that did anything this summer (I haven't seen it yet), was done on a 40 million dollar budget and grossed nearly all of that back in its first weekend alone...

In previous years, he said, "you could still count on enough people to come whether you failed at entertaining them or not, out of habit, or boredom, or a desire to get out of the house. You had a little bit of backstop."

Yup, and honestly, it really seemed that it was more worth your while to spend quite a few dollars less, find a more enjoyable movie, and be able to relax for two hours. I can do that at home just as effectively for MUCH LESS money if I only wait for two months ($3.00 opposed to $18.50) and watch the DVD.

The box office numbers have led to intense, broad-ranging conversations across Hollywood about the implications. Many studios have commissioned market research to investigate the causes of moviegoing behavior - or the lack thereof.

Pay me, I guarantee you'll find out more and it will cost you less. I'll start you off here: pay the actors less money - they aren't worth 20+ million a movie. Don't use so many pointless special effects - they aren't working in most instances. Charge less for the movie so my ticket prices aren't $9+ -- you'll be able to better compete with DVD and people will be more likely to go to see the show. Ban cell phones, talking, and make adult only showings - it'll make adults more likely to see a movie w/o having to listen to a bunch of underaged kids, take calls, have their ringtones going, and spend the entire movie talking instead of watching the movie and/or making out. Finally, ask people what they think about it instead of whoever you have been paying to figure it out for you. In the article, Michael Lynton said:

Audiences have gotten smart to the marketing, and they can smell the good ones from the bad ones at a distance.

If we can why can't you? Seems like an open and shut case to me.

Re:I can tell you what's wrong for nothing! (1)

AndersOSU (873247) | more than 8 years ago | (#13397735)


Michael Lynton, chairman of Sony Pictures Entertainment, which had some flops this summer, including the science fiction action movie "Stealth" and the romantic comedy "Bewitched." "Audiences have gotten smart to the marketing, and they can smell the good ones from the bad ones at a distance."


So they guy who Ok'd stealth is aware that we can smell stinkers? Maybe he should have elevated the public in his mind before giving that steaming pile the greenlight (Of, course I'm only assuming its terrible, I haven't been to a movie this summer)

Re:I can tell you what's wrong for nothing! (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 8 years ago | (#13397761)

Hollywood doesn't care if it releases sub-par crap as long as the public goes to see it. It's all about marketing. That's why special effects have become so big - make it look as good as possible in the previews and you'll make your money back plus some. Hollywood is banking the majority of society will be sheep when it comes to ads - and thus far they've had it nailed.

I find it refreshing to hear that maybe, just maybe, many of the sheep out there are starting to wake up and think for themselves.

Re:I can tell you what's wrong for nothing! (5, Insightful)

Harbinjer (260165) | more than 8 years ago | (#13397777)

What if all the studios agreed to a salary cap for stars? No one makes more than $5 million and set a maximum percentage too.

What will change is people needing to have better scipts to attract stars instead of higher paychecks.

Some sports leagues have done this, why not hollywood. It would make it less about the money and more about good films and not just brainless summer flicks.

On the other hand, with salary caps, either the director or producer makes more money, or the studio does. So it would be more profitable for them, but would that do anything to improve quality of films, or would we just get more bad movies?

Re:I can tell you what's wrong for nothing! (1)

mockchoi (678525) | more than 8 years ago | (#13397815)

I don't think it's that movies are necessarily worse than they used to be. I used to go to lots of movies, and lots of them sucked. The ones that I didn't go to, I'd usually rent, if it was a genre that I liked. Lots of them sucked too. Now though...man, I have a hard time even renting a movie anymore. I feel like I've seen them all before. I'm so sick of all the 'stars'. I'm so sick of sequels and remakes, both the overt ones, and movies that aren't *really* remakes, but are exactly the same as 10 other movies I've seen. It's no wonder the theatres are so full of kids nowadays, at least it's a movie they maybe haven't seen; I usually have.

Re:I can tell you what's wrong for nothing! (1)

Dogtanian (588974) | more than 8 years ago | (#13397838)

> > Many studios have commissioned market research to investigate the causes of
> > moviegoing behavior - or the lack thereof. > Pay me, I guarantee you'll find out more and it will cost you less.

Are you sure? You might have the people who *do* go enjoy their films a lot more, but what matters at the end of the day is (ticket price + average snack spend) * bums on seats. And although my gut reaction is that there's some truth in what you say, I wouldn't automatically assume that it's all true, or that it'll necessarily lead to increased profit.

Market research is often very evil, but done properly it should give you the actual answers to your questions, not what you think *should* be the answer.

> > Audiences have gotten smart to the marketing, and they can smell the good ones
> > from the bad ones at a distance.

> If we can why can't you? Seems like an open and shut case to me.

Because that refers to *after* the film's been made. By then it's too late; the producers are still going to want to get some money out of it whether it stinks or not.

Of course, there's some stuff that people could "tell" is going to be horrible before it gets made... but then lots of horrible films still make big money at the box office, and never forget that Hollywood is in the business of making *money*.

Re:I can tell you what's wrong for nothing! (5, Funny)

AndersOSU (873247) | more than 8 years ago | (#13397856)


Many studios have commissioned market research to investigate the causes of moviegoing behavior - or the lack thereof


So... We're in trouble because we're not creating enough diverse and original material.

Hey I've got a great idea. We should hire a market reseach firm to analyze the public, run some statistics, and figure out exactly what the average American wants. We can then create a movie plot formula that will appeal perfectly to the average American, thus generating hit after hit.

It's sure to work

Hollywood bigwigs NOT blaming pirates? (2, Funny)

BlackCobra43 (596714) | more than 8 years ago | (#13397658)

Quick, someone check for the 4 Horsemen. Repent, sinners! While you still can!

Wrong analogy there... (1, Offtopic)

Svartalf (2997) | more than 8 years ago | (#13397710)

...after all, I espied Lucifer ice-skating to work this morning and Caterpillar's jumping for joy on the giant order of snow plows he just placed...

A filmmaker's perspective (1, Interesting)

robyannetta (820243) | more than 8 years ago | (#13397659)

You're right. Today's movies suck. The only films worth seeing within the last decade was the LOTR trilogy.

Hell, even my movies suck. I wouldn't want to see them on the big screen, nor would I want people wasting $7 per ticket to go see them. That's why I've adopted Creative Commons [creativecommons.com] as a licencing scheme, released it as "free to copy and share" and just release everything on the internet.

COMING SOON: "I Know What You Did Last Friday The 13th During That Cultist Teenage Chainsaw Massacre Thingy Part VIII"

Would you pay to see this shit?

Re:A filmmaker's perspective (1)

BlackCobra43 (596714) | more than 8 years ago | (#13397687)

Would you pay to see this shit?

If that was the tagline, sure. Any movie that doesn't take itself seriously is bound to have at least campy humor, as opposed to today's "oh-so-wacky ethnic mismatch action/comedy number 3243253".

Re:A filmmaker's perspective (2, Funny)

Anonymous Coward | more than 8 years ago | (#13397724)

COMING SOON: "I Know What You Did Last Friday The 13th During That Cultist Teenage Chainsaw Massacre Thingy Part VIII"

Would you pay to see this shit?

Will there be boobs?

One word (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 8 years ago | (#13397813)

Motorcross.

Re:A filmmaker's perspective (1)

TwistedSquare (650445) | more than 8 years ago | (#13397862)

You're right. Today's movies suck. The only films worth seeing within the last decade was the LOTR trilogy.

While the quality of "blockbusters" may be questionable, there are recent fairly mainstream films out there that are just as good as any old films. I'll name a few, which will inevitably provoke lots of people crying "but they sucked", but IMO films like Donnie Darko, Eternal Sunshine.., 28 Days Later, O Brother Where Art Thou (or earlier Coen Brother films), are evidence that films aren't all crap. Sure, 90% of films are rubbish, but 90% have always been rubbish - it's just that we forget the old rubbish ones. Just because the latest big budget films (e.g. Star Wars) were poor doesn't mean no good films are being made, released, and watched by a lot of people.

Re:A filmmaker's perspective (1)

muckdog (607284) | more than 8 years ago | (#13397878)

I pretty much agree here but I think it worth pointing out the Pixar films (Incredibles, Nemo, Tpy Story, Monsters Inc.) have all been sucessful, in my opinion due to the fact that they actually had a good story. Without a good story all you have is Sky Captain

How about prices once you're inside? (0, Redundant)

TheOtherAgentM (700696) | more than 8 years ago | (#13397662)

While the movie studios don't have direct control over these prices, a $10 admission and a $3 hot dog in the theater seems a little ridiculous.

Target market? (4, Funny)

1zenerdiode (777004) | more than 8 years ago | (#13397665)

Perhaps because most Hollywood movies are targeted at 13-year-old American girls? Like, Oh My God, how could they, like, not get it?

Re:Target market? (2, Insightful)

gowen (141411) | more than 8 years ago | (#13397788)

Not really : Many of the worst blockbuster films of the last year ("Stealth", "The Island", "Fantastic Four" and IMHO "Revenge Of The Sith") are clearly marketed at boys of various ages.

But they're bad films: badly written, badly plotted and largely badly acted. Sure, they're nice to look at, but they're stultifyingly dull. The problem isn't the "13 year old girl" market, it's the fact that most of Hollywood has almost no desire to make films that appeal to adults, and even less of an idea how to make them.

Wedding Crashers may not have been clever, but at least it treated us like adults -- not necessarily the most sophisticated adults -- and aimed its jokes appropriately. It was also one of the summers few hits.

and in other news... (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 8 years ago | (#13397666)

the sky is blue and up is thattaway ^

Good to see that the NYT doesn't want to jump on the "Evil Pirate (Yar!)" longboat.

too many choices (1)

OffTheLip (636691) | more than 8 years ago | (#13397668)

Any given day I can think of numerous diversions preferable to going to the movies. DVD's are out so quickly I never feel like I missed anything by not seeing films on the big screen. Except for LOTR that is...

Re:too many choices (1)

TheOtherAgentM (700696) | more than 8 years ago | (#13397694)

I would say you are missing out on the wait in line with other fanatics, but people will wait in line for DVD releases too. They just don't dress up as often.

It's about time (5, Insightful)

TurdTapper (608491) | more than 8 years ago | (#13397669)

Now, I think that some of those theories are completely valid. Commercials in the theaters absolutely piss me off. If I'm going to spend 9 bucks to watch a movie, they better not force me to watch commercials before it. Next thing they'll do is start commercial breaks in the middle of the movies. The cell phones are annoying and I like doing other things more than I like watching movies, but in the end, it comes down to what they are finally realizing. The movies suck. If there weren't any cell phones or commercials and I didn't have anything to do, I still wouldn't go.

FTA: In previous years, he said, "you could still count on enough people to come whether you failed at entertaining them or not, out of habit, or boredom, or a desire to get out of the house. You had a little bit of backstop."

That's amazing, because that's what I always figured they were thinking. And that's the attitude that keeps me away.

Now, I love good special effects as much as the next geek, but, call me old fashioned here, I actually like my movies to have this thing called a plot.

I used to say that I'd just wait for it to come out on video but I won't even waste my time with that anymore. Inevitably, I find myself at the end saying, "Well, there's two hours of my life I'll never get back."

I'll actually deal with the commercials and other annoyances if it means that I can be completely entertained.

Re:It's about time (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 8 years ago | (#13397802)

I agree. The movies are not very good.

Who wants to pay 30 plus dollars for two people to go sit in a theater with people who are socially retarded and get advertising thrown at them for a halfhour and then have the guy in front of you leaning over to kiss his ugly girlfriend two hundred times a minute.

The friggin advertising is the thing that kills me.

The first theater that says " Hey, if you make it here to see the adverts, we will give you free concessions or $1 dollar anything concessions" will be the winner.

I have a great home theater and tell my wife I would rather sit at home and be comfortable.

Do Movie Stars really need all that money. Why do they get paid so much and then the theaters have to scrape together adverts just to keep in business whil the customer has to suffer in the theater.

My god.

Re:It's about time (1)

robertjw (728654) | more than 8 years ago | (#13397857)

If there weren't any cell phones or commercials and I didn't have anything to do, I still wouldn't go.

I can respect that, but OTOH, I probably would. There have actually been several movies out this summer that I would have liked to have seen (war of the worlds, batman begins, sahara, etc...), but couldn't justify the expense to myself.

Now, I love good special effects as much as the next geek, but, call me old fashioned here, I actually like my movies to have this thing called a plot.

Funny thing is, there is a whole genre of independent and foreign films out there that often have good plots and good acting - but a low budget. Thing is these movies rarely make it to a theatre. I would have loved to have seen Jean-Pierre Jeunet's latest film A Very Long Engagement, but there wasn't a theatre within 50 miles that showed it.

Re:It's about time (1)

TheGavster (774657) | more than 8 years ago | (#13397870)

Next thing they'll do is start commercial breaks in the middle of the movies.

You laugh, but I have actually seen this in Bollywood movies; the distributor actually prints the trailers in the middle of the film rather than on the beginning.

The evil commercials (3, Insightful)

Zaphod-AVA (471116) | more than 8 years ago | (#13397671)

Remember when we used to hate all the damn previews? Now we look forward to them, thankful the commercials are over!

I'd pay extra for reserved seating in a theatre with class and no commercials and previews.

-Z

Previews are getting too long (5, Insightful)

sriehl (758915) | more than 8 years ago | (#13397682)

I have noticed with the theaters in my area, that the previews are getting close to 30 min. long. With previews that long, I don't bother to show up to the theater till the time posted the movie should start. It is getting ridiculous.

Pretty obvious (1)

ZakuSage (874456) | more than 8 years ago | (#13397684)

I mean, if you've seen any article about the decline in movie going in the last... however long on Slashdot, at least 90% of the posts say exactly that.

No Fucking Duh (1, Insightful)

nuintari (47926) | more than 8 years ago | (#13397685)

1. Most movies suck ass, and even morons won't pay to see them.

2. All movies cost too much to see, even matinees at most theaters are costly these days.

Drop your quality and raise your prices, then blame someone else when your profits slip, god bless America.

It just isnt the same anymore (1)

JWeinraub (773433) | more than 8 years ago | (#13397686)

One of the main reasons why I go to the theatre is the awesome surround sound. But now with 5.1 surround sound for the home theatre, big-screen TVs, and my cozy couch, I have zero need to see it in the theatre. Sure the silver screen is big and cool, but not anymore. I go in to see a 10:00 show, at at 10, there are 20 minutes of commercials, then 20 more minutes of previews. Then after thats all done, I forgot what movie I came in to see.

Aristocrats (1)

kevin_conaway (585204) | more than 8 years ago | (#13397690)

For those of you who have been complaining that there hasn't been a good movie put out (myself included), fear no more! Go see The Aristocrats [thearistocrats.com] and you'll thank me for it. The only problem was I missed a lot of it because I was laughing too hard.

On another note, does anyone else think that the movie industry is rivaling the game industry and vice versa? Lots of whiz-bang special effects but no real story line to keep you interested and coming back.

Re:Aristocrats (1)

duffbeer703 (177751) | more than 8 years ago | (#13397795)

I actually walked out of that movie. It was one of the dumbest movies ever in my opinion.

I laughed when I saw Jackie the Jokeman, just because he's such a tard. Other than that, I was contemplating how I was going to sit through the entire thing.

Sounds like you guys still haven't heard of (3, Funny)

capicu (880524) | more than 8 years ago | (#13397811)

Shark Boy and Lavagirl! I mean, come on - 3D! IT'S A 3D MOVIE FOR GOD'S SAKE! That means you get special glasses which YOU GET TO KEEP!! How can you complain about the price when you are getting special glasses FOR FREE?! Check her out: LAVA GIRL [blackfilm.com]
Allow me to recap:
- 3 dimensions (4 if you count the time it takes to watch the movie, upwards of 10 if you factor in certain physics theories)
- SPECIAL GLASSES
- Hot lava girl

Duh! (1, Funny)

Anonymous Coward | more than 8 years ago | (#13397692)


Too many Hollywood movies these days, they say, just are not good enough.

Now that Hollywood has stopped sniffing glue, could they maybe call the RIAA and break the news to them?

2 parts fx / 3 parts sex / 4 parts gore / 0 plot (1)

relix (712231) | more than 8 years ago | (#13397703)

It seems that instead of focusing on producing real "art in story telling", Hollywood had decided to take the "easy road" of special effects, sex, gore and big names. Now, don't get me wrong, I appreciate fx/sex/gore/big names as much as any movie goer, but, at it's heart, I want a story. These other things are great to have and add benefit to the experience, but, I want a story.

Many of the really good movies lately have come from the animation studios. They have to have a good story, good characters, etc, otherwise, it's just a nicely rendered nothing.

Re:2 parts fx / 3 parts sex / 4 parts gore / 0 plo (1)

crlove (857212) | more than 8 years ago | (#13397850)

Rarely do they use sex and gore in movies over the last few years. That would give the movie an R-rating, thus making it less marketable.

However, look at the biggest hits critically and financially this summer: R-rated movies based around sex.

And, actually, this is great. Studios won't put out a "less marketable" R-rated movies about those dirty, nasty subjects unless *gasp*, it's worth putting out!

Leading us to the eventual, "When the only R-rated movies are quality, then only quality movies will be R-rated".

The Cost (2, Insightful)

Anonymous Coward | more than 8 years ago | (#13397707)

I know most of the yuppies here will say they don't go because they don't release anything worth seeing anymore. Yeah, whatever. I know I personally don't go much anymore because of the cost (and I'm not talking about gasoline). It's $7/person to get into the theater, and putting aside the guilt trip to buy concessions, I want to have a soda when I'm watching the movie. I have a soda drinking problem, and going the whole movie without a major drink sucks. I do not, however, wish to buy a large soda for $4-$5 (depending on the theater). But I usually do anyway, which contributes to the high cost.

Movie distributors need to charge less, theaters need to lower the price of their concessions, and the industry needs to introduce variable-priced tickets depending on the production costs and perceived popularity of the movie. I'm not willing to pay the same price to see "Bewitched" that I am willing to pay to see Star Wars Ep III. I might be willing to see the earlier if it were a few bucks cheaper just for something to do. But that still leaves the problem with the price of a damn soda.

Whine all you want about recouping costs, but that doesn't change the fact that I choose not to go. Too expensive.

close (1)

jiggersplat (57619) | more than 8 years ago | (#13397708)

but the article still failes to mention MY number one reason for not going. it's freakin' $9 per person. i can buy the dvd for $15 when it comes out and watch it at home with my girlfriend for less. AND i don't have to watch all the stupid commercials and listen to crying babies.

Advertising. (1)

ShadeARG (306487) | more than 8 years ago | (#13397709)

People are tired of paying to see commercials and advertisements. 15 minutes of commercials before a feature length advertisement is not what people wish to see. Perhaps this is why Adsense has taken off so well? Small unobtrusive text ads? That will never take off!! Huge flashing in-your-face graphical banners is where it's all at!

after all these years, (2, Funny)

meatbridge (443871) | more than 8 years ago | (#13397711)

it must be nice for these executives to have finally dislodged their heads from their asses.

Extra! Extra! Read all about it! Paper reports... (1)

servicemaster (903088) | more than 8 years ago | (#13397715)

what we've all known for years...

General consensus seems to have been that movies are generally getting worse, and less ideas, thus remakes.

It'd be nice to see a parallel report on the music industry. In fact, I'd like to see some hard science on this too...
(by which I mean published on Slashdot because I'm too lazy to actually look up hard science in "hard-science weekly", or wherever the hell it's put)

Eleven Steps To Go (1)

yotto (590067) | more than 8 years ago | (#13397723)

The first step is admitting you were wrong. Now, let's start step 2: Stop doing the thing that's hurting you and your audience.

Excuse Me.... (1)

lbmouse (473316) | more than 8 years ago | (#13397726)

"Multiples theories for the decline abound"
 
I think the post ignores the most obvious reason. Those Hollywood grass-fuckers can't come up with an original idea.

Chaplin and Kurosawa (3, Insightful)

milimetric (840694) | more than 8 years ago | (#13397732)

On one hand, I agree that a whole lot of movies today are horrible. On the other hand, people today know nothing of movies or what a good movie is. Take for instance Charlie Chaplin. The man was a romantic genius, pouring his emotions on the screen with "Modern Times" and "Limelight" and tens of other wonderful productions. He wrote, directed, acted in, and even composed the music for most of his work. But people today don't get him at all, and they don't even rent copies of Modern Times at Blockbusters any more.

Or Kurosawa. Seven Samurai is a brilliant film and yet most people can't sit through it. Or Jean Luc Goddard, there's not one movie of his at Blockbuster's. So why make good movies? So that the experts can say they're good? Movies are out to make money and the bigger problem at hand is, how do you make people go to a movie, not how do you make a good movie. I think there is no way, theatres are doomed. People will more and more sit on their lazy asses and pay the 3.99 on demand price whenever the movie is available. So what? Museums used to be hopping places too and now they're just tourist attractions.

Re:Chaplin and Kurosawa (1)

relix (712231) | more than 8 years ago | (#13397821)

This is very true in many ways. One of the things that really sold me on Netflix was all the Kurosawa I couldn't easily get elsewhere.

Hopefully, this is a turning of the tide. I have my doubts, but, I also have my hopes.

And movies for infantile appetites. (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 8 years ago | (#13397733)

Let's see... commercials, idiot plots, insufferable traffic, $3.75 for a chocolate bar, garbage, sticky seats ... oh yeah, a delightful experience.

Call me crazy.... (2, Insightful)

CFTM (513264) | more than 8 years ago | (#13397736)

But I think there might be hope for capitalism in the US afterall! Hollywood is old school and very traditional; they like things done how they've always been done and in the past have been completely unwilling to acknowledge the need for change. Luckily, the dollar is a very powerful persuader. That being said, I still really enjoy the move going experience but let's save it for movies that are actually entertaining. Let them keep making the crap but send most of it straight to DVD. Might piss the theatre chains off but business is a changing.

stop blaming it on gas or cell phones (2, Insightful)

tont0r (868535) | more than 8 years ago | (#13397739)

i went from watching atleast a movie a week to about 1 every month or so. its just that movies suck. i got tired of wasting my money on something that they just dumped all their money into special effects and forgot about scripts. im hoping that soon the 'eye candy' era will fade out and will go back to just writing good movies instead of relying on good effects. movies like Stealth and what not are definitely not relying on a good script. its scary because at some point, someone said 'HOLY SHIT! I GOT A GREAT IDEA! A PLANE... THAT THINKS ON ITS OWN AND BLOWS THINGS UP! and its fighting only a funny/witty black man, some duffus white guy and a hot chick'

Commercials and Price (4, Insightful)

geoffrobinson (109879) | more than 8 years ago | (#13397742)

1) Ticket prices have become ridiculous. I like going to the theater in general, but the prices are only warranted on very rare occasions that a film deserves to be seen on the big screen. There was a good discussion in the Tipping Point (I think) about how ticket pricing doesn't reflect supply and demand. The same price for Spider-Man and XXX: State of the Union? A lower price for films not that much in demand would increase the amount of overall tickets sold in gross revenue.

2) Two Towers had about 45 minutes worth of commercials that preceded it. By the time they were over and the film started, I wanted Frodo to get captured and tortured by some orcs.

My reason for going less (5, Insightful)

gorbachev (512743) | more than 8 years ago | (#13397755)

A lot of the movie theatres are just in a disgusting state. They're just not appealing environments for me.

You go there and half the ticket booths are not staffed and the automated ticket machines are all malfunctioning, so you can't pick up tickets bought in advance without having to wait in line.

You get inside the theatre and half the concession stands are unstaffed.

The ones that are staffed have lines longer than the bathrooms, have sticky goo all over the counter and are staffed by people who have no concept of customer service whatsoever.

Once you get your $3 coke, that costs $1 outside the theatre, and start walking to take a seat, you have to struggle to not get your feet stuck to whatever sticky shit is covering the floor.

Whenever you arrive at your seat, you're hoping that you don't sit down on one of the many seats that have been broken for more than 2 months. Once you're reasonably happy with the seat, that still creaks and is uncomfortable, you have to clear your immediate surroundings from droppings left by people attending the previous screening. Anything from gum on the seats and/or armrests, empty soda cups in the cupholders, nachos boxes with old, smelly cheese under the seat, etc.

Then when the movie starts, it actually doesn't start until 20 minutes of commercials.

Why would I go enjoy all that voluntarily?

Re:My reason for going less (1)

kannibal_klown (531544) | more than 8 years ago | (#13397867)

The physical state of the theaters is only part of my problem. Now's it's more of the general "feel" of the whole thing.

I remember going to the theaters, watching just a few previews (ie, not TV commercials), and watching movies in relative peace. It would be mostly quiet (except some couple in the back whispering or making out) until a funny scene in which case everyone laughs.

- Now cellhpones constantly going off.
- People are more abnoxious.
- We have to see TV commercials for Levis jeans and stuff.

And to top everything off, most movies are subpar. Sure, I liked Batman Begins and will definately see Serenity.

But, come on. "White Chicks, "Taxi (with Queen Latifah)," and other nonsense movies really depress me.

Studios? (1)

Raagshinnah (670749) | more than 8 years ago | (#13397762)

"It sounds like studios are beginning to understand that they have only themselves to blame."

Er, no. One NYTimes journalist has understood that the studios have only themselves to blame.

Couple more (5, Insightful)

acherrington (465776) | more than 8 years ago | (#13397763)

Do not forget about the rising price of movie prices themselves. Look for yourself at how much prices have gone up here [natoonline.org] . I can tell you inflation was not that high.

Look at other emerging markets. Tivo: It used to be that you would go and watch a movie when there was nothing on television. Now you can watch the shows you want to see on TV (and there are a lot more channels to choose from), when you have time. Going to the movie theater is now far more inconvenient than it used to be.

Another emerging market: Video games... With a limited amount of entertainment, dollars available and those funds are currently shrinking... Something had to give way to pay for the emerging video game market. Simplest answer: Movies are no longer having their competitive edge that they once did.

I can add a few more reasons (1)

Weaselmancer (533834) | more than 8 years ago | (#13397768)

We all know that popcorn doesn't cost $3 a bucket. A soda is not $3 either. And a dollar pack of candy shouldn't be $3.

The theaters are nearly the size of my living room anyways. Why pay money to sit in someone else's living room?

Commercials. I shouldn't have to pay for my movie twice. I paid the ticket at the door - lose the commercials.

Rude people. Once upon a time, people knew how to conduct themselves in public. If you ever want to know how far away from that we've gotten, go to the movies. You'll see.

Lying reviewers. I'm sure payola is involved somehow. Even the lamest movie has at least 3 idiots from some newspaper "raving" about how it's an "edge of your seat extravaganza!" Dear movie industry, you can cut that out now. Nobody believes these people and that's your own fault.

No difference in quality. Most of these dinky theaters have absolutely *lousy* audio. Primarily because you're sitting in a narrow cabinet. Bigger theaters make for better sound. And better picture quality too. The larger screens of days gone by could hide many sins. Remember watching Star Wars your first time? Looked great, didn't it? Then when you got your very first VCR tape of it you couldn't help but notice the light green boxes around all the spacecraft? Bigger screens are *better* - that's why.

Ok, that's enough rant for me for one day. Feel free to add more.

Our theaters are crap (1)

simetra (155655) | more than 8 years ago | (#13397770)

I've been taking my two little boys, age 5 and 2, to the kid movies. The audio in the theaters sucks so much ass! It's almost painful. They need to make the theater experience better in order to compete. Otherwise, it's not really worth the bother, and much easier to rent the DVD later.

May be a good sign! :-) (1)

LuckyStarr (12445) | more than 8 years ago | (#13397779)

Recently I went to a movie. The 30 minutes of ads and movie previews were very interesting.

The commercials were bad enough, but the movie previews topped them all.

Can't recall what it was, some sort of robo-ai-fighterjet-calamity. Totally stupid. Yet the local countryside-themoreexplosionsthebetterthemovie-you th cheered. The guy right behind me asserted "We'll go to that one!".

So... if the moviegoers decline, yet the stupid still find the movies great it must mean the people are getting more intelligent!? Nah... can't be.

Nice thought, though.

It isn't just movies (4, Insightful)

geophile (16995) | more than 8 years ago | (#13397780)

In just about any creative enterprise, there is tension between the creators, who are often motivated by love of what they do; and the bean-counters whose only goal is to cut cost. The bean-counters have been winning. They've squeezed so much life out of their products for short-term gain that they've ignored the long term consequences, which we are now experiencing, at least in the USA:

- Crappy movies nobody wants to see, (hello Hollywood)

- Crappy music noboby wants to buy, (hello top 40)

- Crappy cars nobody wants to drive, (hello GM)

- Crappy software that is barely tolerated, (hello Microsoft)

There are people who will pay time and money for quality, but it isn't clear they can support businesses large enough to displace the mediocre behemoths.

Independent Theaters (1)

RainbowSix (105550) | more than 8 years ago | (#13397785)

I suggest looking for independent theaters where you live. Here in Pittsburgh, we have The Oaks Theater [theoakstheater.com] . This weekend they're showing Back to the Future for $5 and their snacks are reasonably priced!

The cost of making the films killing the industry. (2, Insightful)

Bahumat (213955) | more than 8 years ago | (#13397790)

No, not the price of labor, although the payscale for some high talent actors is amazing. But let's face it; most of those actors aren't just selling their talent, they're selling their name and history of past successes in roles.

But here's an ugly truth: The next time you go to a movie theatre to see the next big summer blockbuster sci-fi blam-kapow film, you'll probably pay, say, $10.00 for the film ticket.

It costs the theatre $14.00 for the rights to show you that movie, per person. So right off the bat, they've lost $4.00. Hence the insane prices at the concession: They *have* to make that money back at the concession, or else they have to raise the ticket prices by %40 or so.

The cost for special effects and high budgets is passed on in this way. The rights for a theatre to screen a movie made on a budget of 20 million dollars is much cheaper. The rights for a theatre to screen a movie that cost 200 million dollars is much more expensive.

Theatres frequently lose money per ticket sold, on the more expensive films.

Just like Rock and Roll: it's gone repertory. (1, Insightful)

Anonymous Coward | more than 8 years ago | (#13397806)

People used to go see new opera. They didn't redo old operas.

Same with "classical" music: they didn't go to hear old songs performed, they went for new songs.

Same thing happened with Rock and Roll. People used to go the hear new songs, now they go to hear old songs. Same thing with ballet and jazz.

(Yes, yes, I know ... there are new ballets and new rock music and new jazz ... but it's all derivative. There's not a whole lot new coming out.)

So. The same thing has happened with movies. Hollywood just keeps remaking old movies; there is very little new stuff.

TVs got big enough and DVDs got good enough that there's not that great an incentive to go to a movie theatre and pay 10 bucks for a ticket. You can rent a movie for $2.99.

Its all about the money, there prices are TOO high (1)

mhx (772916) | more than 8 years ago | (#13397819)

Its really all a money issue. For 2 people to goto the movies its about $30-40. This would get your 2 tickets, popcorn, candy, and drinks..

Soooo close, but no cigar. (3, Insightful)

Rahga (13479) | more than 8 years ago | (#13397833)

"Too many Hollywood movies these days, they say, just are not good enough."

They got really close here, but the honest truth is that many people who would have gone to movies simply aren't quite as bored as they once were. While not all information is free, the internet makes it much easier to access information and people... There's plenty of people learning, socializing, or just getting a load of visual kicks off the net that movies just can't compete with.

To be quite honest, why _should_ people have cared about Cotton coming to Harlem in the first place, what the Matrix is, or if the funky looking chick from that unfunny Bill Murray movie can escape an island? Arguably, they didn't. Most people just want to avoid boredom or spend time with their mates without actually having to converse. There will always be a market for movies, but probably not quite as big a share of the market ever again.

That, and the modern theater experience sucks. $3.50 for popcorn is a huge markup, 10 minutes of previews is about 10 minutes too many.

Wait! (1, Funny)

Anonymous Coward | more than 8 years ago | (#13397836)

You mean that people do prefer watching movies at a cinema over watching low quality artefact covered versions on a 15 inch monitor?

Naah!

10 dollars just for the ticket. Ridiculous. (2, Insightful)

dividedsky319 (907852) | more than 8 years ago | (#13397842)

Is it really that tough to figure out why they aren't making as much? It's too expensive!

They have to realize, it's not like everyone can afford 20 bucks just for admission for a couple to go to the movies. Add food and a drink onto that, and you're talking about at least a 30 dollar night.

Instead of raising the price, why not try lowering the price a few bucks? I'm sure the difference in price would be offset by the amount of people going back to theaters.

I DO like going to the theater to see a movie. It gets me out of the house, and it makes me feel like I'm doing something as opposed to sitting around watching tv. But it's not possible to spend 20 bucks every weekend just for 2 hours of entertainment. A few months down the line and that 20 bucks could BUY me the movie on DVD.

Home Theaters for the Win! (1)

Winterblink (575267) | more than 8 years ago | (#13397844)

I have a home theater, have had one for several years now. And for those years I have had a rapidly declining urge to see anything in the theaters. At home I have personalized surround, and a controllable environment. I don't get raped at the till for ticket and food prices, and I don't have to sit through a movie punctuated by annoying talkers, cell phones, and small children brought inappropriately into more mature films than they should be.

Sorry Hollywood, but I can spend my 20 Canuckbucks at Best Buy and watch the movie dozens of times, each time pitying thoe poor bastards who had to endure the theater "experience".

its still self-serving... (1)

The Lynxpro (657990) | more than 8 years ago | (#13397846)


Even with the admission by Hollywood players that piracy is not to blame in the decline of theatre ticket sales, the reasoning is still self-serving. By claiming the decline is due to Joe Public having big screen televisions, surround sound, and DVD quality, the studios are trying to make their case (indirectly) that the only way to survive this multimedia age we live in will be to simultaneously release features to both the theatres and pay-per-view/DVD markets. And this means squeezing exhibitors to starve off this plan. How would they do that? By forcing exhibitor demands for better financing (and potential revenue share of the savings) of the digital projection & distribution changeover.

To me, this also means that there will be further consolidation of the exhibitor chains and the squeezing of independents which seems to happen to all industries eventually. Say hello to more Regal Cinemas blaring 20 minutes of advertisements of NBC television programming in digital cinema projection glory.

And yeah, I am still pissed that Regal no longer honors the "Regalator" cups since Regal was acquired-on-the-cheap from bankruptcy along with UA Theatres and formerly terrific Edwards Cinema. chain...

The theatres really do need to enforce decorum (4, Insightful)

ShatteredDream (636520) | more than 8 years ago | (#13397851)

Whispering every so often is one thing, but my girlfriend and I have had some bad experiences with going out to see a movie. We had a couple sit down next to us and the woman was some frumpy, dumpy middle age woman and she kept glaring at my girlfriend (who was just resting her head on my shoulder) and even coughed up and sprayed a bunch of spit on my girlfriend's leg. Then there are the cell phones, the kids that aren't forced to sit down and watch the movie or leave and things like that.

We really need the theatres to say to people, "look if it's an emergency, take the call, but otherwise if you take the call we'll throw you out." I leave my cell phone off anyway. The real problem is that so many Americans are just selfish bastards and don't bother to think about others. They don't care about others' rights because it's all about them, them and only them.

Its the experiance, stupid (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 8 years ago | (#13397865)

They can blame piracy all they want, but the fact of the matter is, the movie going experiance is no longer the same.

I can't even remember the last movie I saw in a theatre, but I remember the experiance.

I went with the girl I was seeing, and tickets alone were 20 bucks for both us. The, I spent 17 dollars on popcorn and drinks.

When we got into the theatre, the floor was sticky, the seats were uncomfortable and the theatre was packed. When the lights when dim, we had to sit through about 20 minutes of actual commercials for things like preparation h.

During the movie, people were talking to each other. People keep on getting up to go do whatever. Cell phones were ringing. The girl in front of me, with the brightest display I have ever seen on a cell phone keep sending and recieving text messages.

Now compare this to my apartment. I have a big leather couch, a nice flat panel TV with a DVD player. I can buy a DVD for 10 bucks if I really like to movie, or rent it for 3 bucks to see if its an good. I can make some popcorn, and curl up on the couch with whoever and enjoy a nice quite and cheap evening at home.

So, its a combination of the home theatre now being afforable, the rising price of admission and the decline of society that is to blame.

Piracy is just a beautiful scapegoat so they don't have to address the real problem

My cinema assessment (2, Insightful)

Motor (104119) | more than 8 years ago | (#13397871)

I like going to the cinema. I'm predisposed to enjoy a night out watching a film and going for a drink afterwards and discussing it. However, even I'm sick of it these days.

Why?

1. Too expensive.

2. Cinemas are run by idiots. I regularly have to get up and complain to get the picture shown correctly (and on one occasion, with sound).

3. Idiots who eat/talk or generally make nuisances of themselves, and the cinema staff do nothing.

4. Formulaic drivel. The large Hollywood studios have driven out of mainstream cinemas anything remotely interesting in favour of their relentlessly formulaic shite. Well, ok, not entirely, but unless you have a big studio behind it, it just doesn't ger exposure.

5. Adverts/patronising lies/lectures about copyright instead of starting the film. I don't mind trailers (in fact, I quite enjoy a good "coming soon" section)... but I'm sick of being patronised and treated like a mark rather than a paying customer.

It's not just movies that blow (1)

garylian (870843) | more than 8 years ago | (#13397875)

Look at the last 5+ years of TV programming, and you can really see that Hollywood doesn't have any clue as to what may be popular. The whole "reality TV" craze happened because there is so little interesting on TV nowadays, that they were bound to draw attention.

Hollywood has been too busy trying to push actors and actresses with no major appeal onto us as consumers, and thinking we will buy them. cast members that should never be more than supporting actors/actresses, some pissant director/casting director will decide should be a star, and the movies are flops because of it. I mean, Brittany Murphy as a headliner in a half dozen movies? Please! She's not even that good looking, and all of her characters come across the same!

It's fairly simple. Better plots. Better stories. Better chemistry between the cast. Better casting.

Look at the last 5 years of comedies that have come out, and how many of them really do have that "rewatchability" factor? That if you were surfing through HBO, and saw it on, you would watch it again, even if you had seen it 4 times already? There aren't many, in my book. And the funny part is, most of them weren't huge box office successes. They did ok, but weren't blockbusters.

Maybe that is what Hollywood should start looking at. Would that movie generate repeat interest? If you don't think it will, don't make it.

Classic Movies (1)

xxavierg (538582) | more than 8 years ago | (#13397876)

i did not realize how bad new movies are until i rented "On The Waterfront". The whole cast was absolutely amazing, the plot and script was so intense. i am now just renting classic movies. don't get me wrong, i still love "The Matrix" and other sci-fi eye candy, but to fully understand the power of a movie, you need to see a film that was created to tell a story, not just written and edited for a best demographic to dollar ratio and actors who love to act, not just are pretty and get by on that. True, my wife could not get over how "gorgeous" Marlon Brando use to be, but he had the acting skills to back it up.

something funny movie theaters do now (1)

tont0r (868535) | more than 8 years ago | (#13397877)

AMC theaters now make it like they are doing you a favor by giving you commercials to watch before the movie. 'HEY! IF YOU MISSED THE 20, MAKE SURE YOU GET HERE 20 MINUTES EARLIER TO CATCH IT NEXT TIME!' translated to nonmarketing-ploy speak... 'hey! get here earlier so we can get some more money by shoving commercials in your face despite the fact that we just raised the prices of tickets another dollar. '
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