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Open Source Autos Hit the Streets in Spain

ScuttleMonkey posted more than 9 years ago | from the racing-at-slow-speeds dept.

Technology 110

markdowling writes "BBC News has a story about electrically powered tourist cars in Cordoba which provide tourist information in French, English and Spanish as landmarks are passed. The promoter, Alfredo Romeo, calls them Blobjects which he heard described in a speech by Bruce Sterling. The car's tourist guide software is open source - Romeo's quoted reason: 'With proprietary software, innovation comes from the people in marketing. But with open source, innovation comes from the guy who is really in the market. It comes from someone who knows the city.'"

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More at Global Electric Motorcars Web Site (4, Informative)

Hulkster (722642) | more than 9 years ago | (#13428640)

For those interested in more details about the GEM car and some MUCH better pictures than the small ones in the BBC article, here's GEM's web site. [gemcar.com]

Ironically, the Wikipedia Blobject article [wikipedia.org] says it "needs to be cleaned up to conform to a higher standard of quality. This article has been tagged since April 2005" - you'd think that all those "hip" Blogject'ers would have made this entry super cool and happening.

Concrete Cam [komar.org] is up and running.

Re:More at Global Electric Motorcars Web Site (4, Informative)

garcia (6573) | more than 9 years ago | (#13428662)

Best of all, for all of its innovative design, GEM is suprisingly affordable.

Yeah, the GEM is surprisingly affordable but it certainly doesn't have an "innovative design" as it's just about the same as any electric golf cart with a roof and seatbelts.

Re:More at Global Electric Motorcars Web Site (2, Insightful)

Spy der Mann (805235) | more than 9 years ago | (#13428887)

but it certainly doesn't have an "innovative design" as it's just about the same as any electric golf cart with a roof and seatbelts.

Yes, it's an insult to innovation. Look, they're stealing the all-innovative car design with 4 wheels and a motor! Unbelievable.

Affordable? Nonsense. (1)

wsanders (114993) | more than 9 years ago | (#13429470)

These were available for about $8K in the US. Kind of overpriced for a glorified golf cart with a Mercedes-Benz logo slapped on it. Plastic sheeting for weather protection. AFAIK they run on lead-acid batteries.

Let's see if this guy still thinks they're affordable once the touristas have trashed all his batteries in six months. Although IIRC Cordova's not that hilly.

Here in the SF Bay Area, you can buy two used Segways and upgrade them with fresh NiMh batteries for about the same price, maybe a little more for LiIon battery upgrades. You'll have to ride in the rain, but you'll get the ability to schlep it on transit, and regen braking for the hills.

No regen brakes (4, Insightful)

Migraineman (632203) | more than 9 years ago | (#13428844)

I find it difficult to believe that an EV manufacturer would product a series of EV's that don't include regenerative brakes. Another reader commented that this is "a modified golf cart," and I'd have to say he's right. I'd have *some* respect for these folks if they had regen brakes as an option, or had "regen + hydraulic backup." As it stands, it really is just a golf cart with a NEV rating. Meh ...

Re:No regen brakes (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 9 years ago | (#13428924)

Regen for an EV requires a more complicated, more expensive controller. From looking at the vehicles, low cost was a priority.

Re:No regen brakes (1)

Migraineman (632203) | more than 9 years ago | (#13429901)

Hydraulic brakes ain't free ...

They've already got the motor, geartrain, and controller up front. Remove the front hydraulic system and substitute the "upgraded" regen controller. I'd bet the dollars come out about even. Then opt for trailer-style electric brakes in the rear - that eliminates *all* of the hydraulic plumbing, and still allows the use of a cable operated parking brake. You may build redundancy into the system as you see fit.

I just don't see these guys trying very hard. If they expect to be considered an EV and not a glorified golf cart, they need to behave like they're building the former. If I want a golf cart, I'll go buy a Club Car. [clubcar.com] Hey looky! The Club Car golf cart has regenrative braking ... so the GEV isn't even that good ...

Re:No regen brakes (2, Informative)

entirety (909951) | more than 9 years ago | (#13429905)

From the 2005 user manual... ----snip----- Speed Control: GE solid state controller with: * Motor thermal protection * Battery under-voltage protection * Regenerative brakes ----------Looks regenerative to me. * Top speed regulation ----end snip--

Regenerative brakes? Where? (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 9 years ago | (#13430019)

Post a link please

Re:Regenerative brakes? Where? (1)

Migraineman (632203) | more than 9 years ago | (#13430326)

Here's a link to the PDF spec sheet. [gemcar.com] Note that the regen braking isn't mentioned in the "brakes" section, but rather in the "controller" section. I suppose it's appropriate to put there, but ends up being somewhat misleading.

And here's an unsolicited link to the NHSTA's ruling on Neighborhood Electric Vehicles. [dot.gov] It's worth a read just for some insight into the bureaucracy that's involved with manufacturing a "Low Speed Vehicle." Yuck.

So one tiny part of the car is open source (4, Insightful)

blowdart (31458) | more than 9 years ago | (#13428641)

But that apparently means slashdot can call the whole car open source.

Is there anything factual these days in topics, or is it just astroturfing for OSTG?

Re:So one tiny part of the car is open source (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 9 years ago | (#13428683)

Indeed, I thought someone had free plans to make an electric car...

Re:So one tiny part of the car is open source (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 9 years ago | (#13429239)

As soon as you figure out the parts of the car which utilize source code besides the onboard computers, you let everybody know. Until then, all parts of the car which can be open source are open source, and so the car can be called open source.

Thanks for playing.

Re:So one tiny part of the car is open source (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 9 years ago | (#13429889)

There are numerous embedded systems controlling many aspects of the vehicle that are proprietary. The open source is just in the navigation system for the touch screen computer mounted in the dash.

Prick.

Blueprints (1)

homer_ca (144738) | more than 9 years ago | (#13429966)

The "source code" of a car is called the blueprints plus whatever other instructions is needed to build and assemble the vehicle.

Although most cars and proprietary, blueprints and engineering studies on public works projects like bridges are public record. So you could say bridges and highways are "open source".

Figures (0, Troll)

CmdrTaco (troll) (578383) | more than 9 years ago | (#13428644)

that that commie liberal country would have do that.

pun? (5, Funny)

jshaped (899227) | more than 9 years ago | (#13428651)

"The promoter, Alfredo Romeo,..."

did anybody else read this as Alfa Romeo?

Re:pun? (0, Redundant)

Alien Being (18488) | more than 9 years ago | (#13428751)

His colleagues are Harvey Ford and
Random Olds.

Re:pun? (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 9 years ago | (#13428867)

I read it as linguine alfredo.

Re:pun? (1)

Molochi (555357) | more than 9 years ago | (#13428899)

No but I wondered if the car stereo is made by Sorny or Parasonic.

Re:pun? (1)

HTTP Error 403 403.9 (628865) | more than 9 years ago | (#13428988)

No but I wondered if the car stereo is made by Sorny or Parasonic.
Actually, it's a Carnivale. It comes in a plastic cabinet to prevent fall apart.

Re:pun? (1)

bynary (827120) | more than 9 years ago | (#13429221)

What about Magnetbox?

Re:pun? (1)

HTTP Error 403 403.9 (628865) | more than 9 years ago | (#13429412)

Listen, I'm not going to lie to you. Those are all superior machines. But if you like to watch your TV, and I mean really watch it, you want the Carnivale. It features two-pronged wall plug, pre-molded hand grip well, durable outer casing to prevent fall apart.

Re:pun? (1)

Keith Russell (4440) | more than 9 years ago | (#13428926)

I know I'd rather scoot around town in one of those new 159s than a crappy little electric golf cart.

Bad choice of titles. (1, Redundant)

Kenja (541830) | more than 9 years ago | (#13428667)

Bad choice of titles, should have avoided the word "hit". I just get this image of a massive car wreck as penguin feathers drift slowly to the ground. Perhaps "Open Source Autos Released in Spain" or somthing.

Re:Bad choice of titles. (1)

PornMaster (749461) | more than 9 years ago | (#13428684)

Yeah, because the phrase "hit the streets" usually means a collision...

*sigh*

Re:Bad choice of titles. (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 9 years ago | (#13428833)

But just because the car has an accessory which, in turn, has some open source software, we get to call it an "Open Source Auto"?

This is as bad as anything Microsoft's marketing people have come up with. Bad choice of titles indeed. "Misleading" would be a better description.

Remember the GM EV-1? (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 9 years ago | (#13429009)

The prototype was known as the "Impact". Ouch.

Informative Link (4, Informative)

TripMaster Monkey (862126) | more than 9 years ago | (#13428692)


The promoter, Alfredo Romeo, calls them Blobjects which he heard described in a speech by Bruce Sterling.

Here's a link [boingboing.net] to the Bruce Sterling speech, referenced by Alfredo Romeo, courtesy of
boingboing. [boingboing.net]

Slow... (4, Insightful)

BrookHarty (9119) | more than 9 years ago | (#13428697)

These GEM's are really niche market. Great for little towns where its 20mph or less, but if you hold up traffic then they are in the wrong place. Just as golf carts in the USA, they are a pain in the ass when given the right of way.

GEMcar.com even says "build the town/neighborhood around the car"..

Re:Slow... (1)

geomon (78680) | more than 9 years ago | (#13428787)

And limited range.

I drive 30 miles to work one way. I would need a recharge just to get home - forget about cruising around to other locations.

Re:Slow... (2, Interesting)

bombadillo (706765) | more than 9 years ago | (#13428837)

These GEM's are really niche market. Great for little towns where its 20mph or less, but if you hold up traffic then they are in the wrong place. Just as golf carts in the USA, they are a pain in the ass when given the right of way. GEMcar.com even says "build the town/neighborhood around the car"..

These could work in really big Cities. Traffic in big congested cities is stop and go and averages about 20MPH. Unfortunately modern U.S. cities have given up the grid patern and let the developers do the planing ad hoc with huge high ways. These GEM cars won't work in these "modern" cities.

I could see these things working in European cities or even the older U.S. cities. Big Cities that charge congestion tolls could make exceptions for these small vehicles.

Re:Slow... (1)

bfields (66644) | more than 9 years ago | (#13429102)

These could work in really big Cities. Traffic in big congested cities is stop and go and averages about 20MPH. Unfortunately modern U.S. cities have given up the grid patern and let the developers do the planing ad hoc with huge high ways.

The big arteries usually have more than 2 lanes, and the outer lanes (on a surface street, not a restricted-access freeway) probably already has people turning in and out of driveways, parallel parking, etc. A slow-moving vehicle in the outer lane isn't going to be a big deal.

Even on fast two-lane streets it's usually not going to be that hard to pass a small slow-moving vehicle.

I doubt there's really any serious problem here.

--Bruce Fields

Re:Slow... (1)

suzerain (245705) | more than 9 years ago | (#13431902)

I was wondering what these things were, but didn't care enough to look. I've seen these going around my neighborhood for a couple of months now (East Village, New York City). It looks like the NYC Parks Department is one of their customers; they are probably good for shuttling between the various myriad of parks in the city.

And no, since the average car speed in Manhattan is 4 MPH, I don't think theyre holding anything up. (Sometimes I will walk down a street faster than a bus gets down the same distance...forget about the bus if I'm on my bike.)

Re:Slow... (1)

Elshar (232380) | more than 9 years ago | (#13432124)

Yea, there's a couple people in the town I live in that bought them and started driving them around. Needless to say they were driving the local populace (including me) absolutely nuts. They can only go 20-25mph or so.

Eventually the city council passed a local ordinance banning them from any street where the speed limit is greater than 25 mph. So they're actually quite useless for driving around town.

What GEM needs to do is make a model that can go 25-35 or so. Then they'd be recieved better by the communities that have to put up with them.

Re:Slow... (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 9 years ago | (#13432272)

They must be limited or something then, cause the vehicle can do 35. Some places have limits on what speed they are ALLOWED to drive, due to impact resistance, but the cars themselves can handle it.

Re:Slow... (1)

Elshar (232380) | more than 9 years ago | (#13433024)

No they can't. They can go 0-15 in 'low' or 20-25 in 'high' gear. According to the manufacturer's specs. And the ones I've seen have never gone above 25.

Re:Slow... (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 9 years ago | (#13432212)

Funny, cause I live in the city they're made it, and they go 35mph just fine.

bumper sticker (1)

ch-chuck (9622) | more than 9 years ago | (#13428705)

"Powered by Linux"

Just spotted on the register: "As usual, shipments of Linux servers grew fastest. The Penguin's presence swelled by 45 per cent in terms of revenue, outpacing the 14 per cent growth of Windows servers and the 3 per cent Unix server growth."

Re:bumper sticker (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 9 years ago | (#13429969)

This car isn't powered by linux. Way to be offtopic you moron.

+1 Insightful? (5, Insightful)

Rurik (113882) | more than 9 years ago | (#13428714)

'With proprietary software, innovation comes from the people in marketing. But with open source, innovation comes from the guy who is really in the market. It comes from someone who knows the city.'

Is it possible to give a quoted source in an article +1 for Insightful?

Re:+1 Insightful? (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 9 years ago | (#13428809)

No. It isn't.

And if it were, I'd mod it right back down. Geek pandering, and devoid of reality.

Re:+1 Insightful? (1)

Neil Blender (555885) | more than 9 years ago | (#13428880)

Agreed. As long as people live in the fantasy land of "OSS is the only solution", it will always remain just that - a fantasy. No matter how eloquently you write that sentiment, it always comes across as "oss rulz, proprietary drulz" or however that phrase goes. If people with domain knowledge design and write software, it can be good regardless of what licensing scheme it is released under.

Re:+1 Insightful? (1)

Spy der Mann (805235) | more than 9 years ago | (#13428939)

Well, there's something that needs mention.

Before, only people with money could make products - the shift comes when the products are software. And ANYONE can make software now. It's not like you need an industrialized manufacturing plant or something...

The key here is quality. It doesn't matter if it's open source or not... how good is it actually? Ah, there's the question.

Re:+1 Insightful? (2, Insightful)

Reality Master 101 (179095) | more than 9 years ago | (#13428965)

Insightful? That's the part of the quote I immediately rolled my eyes at -- it's incredibly stupid and ignorant. How does he think products get developed in the real world? Got news for him -- big companies with lots of resources produce most of computer innovation. I'm still waiting for something innovative to come out of Open Source. Most, if not all, of it is copying proprietary software.

Not to say that Open Source isn't useful, I use it every day. But innovation is not (currently) what Open Source is all about.

Re:+1 Insightful? (1)

quanticle (843097) | more than 9 years ago | (#13430408)

As you've so rightly pointed out, utility and innovation are two completely different things. Open Source, while posessing lots of utility, doesn't posess much innovation.

Re:+1 Insightful? (2, Insightful)

dotlin (532442) | more than 9 years ago | (#13432891)

... big companies with lots of resources produce most of computer innovation. I'm still waiting for something innovative to come out of Open Source. Most, if not all, of it is copying proprietary software.
Your statement hinges on your definition of innovation. I find that word often used as a buzzword, usually in the same breath as patents. I'm sure if you counted all the software patents that there are more owned by proprietary software companies. If however you use the word innovation to mean "a new device or process" then I would like to see some evidence to support your claim. Other factors are at play that can help/hinder innovation besides the type of software license such as:
  • competion - monopolies don't need to innovate. An example is that Microsoft had stopped development on Internet Explorer (IE) 6 SP1 as the final standalone version in June, 2003(1) since it is just part of the Operating System. Then in Feb 2005(2) they announced they changed their mind and IE 7 will be out for Windows XP. (Surely just a coincidence that Firefox 1.0 was had been released in that time frame). Capabilities like RSS based live bookmarks and tabbed browsing in Firefox may or may not be innovative by your definition (I don't know - I'm not trying to troll or inflame) - however it has raised the bar for web browsing and helped prod Microsoft to produce a better product. Note that Microsoft sat back for years with no innovation for IE, or even proper bug fixes for CSS support and you can't say it's because of lack of resources...
  • cooperation - in particular open formats/protocols - TCP/IP ultimately begat HTTP and Mosaic.
  • market share and network effect - IRC begat Instant Messaging but that wasn't innovative until MSN Messenger came along to patent custom emoticons. (3)

Is it possible to count all the software innovations and then make a determination of whether that innovation came from an open or proprietary software license?Maybe Microsoft can fund a study?

References:

  1. http://www.zone-h.org/en/news/read/id=2789/ [zone-h.org]
  2. http://www.microsoft.com/presspass/press/2005/feb0 5/02-15RSA05KeynotePR.mspx [microsoft.com]
  3. http://yro.slashdot.org/article.pl?sid=05/07/23/13 8228&tid=155&tid=109 [slashdot.org]

Re:+1 Insightful? (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 9 years ago | (#13429261)

Thankfully no. How can you whore otherwise?

Re:+1 Insightful? (1)

GeorgeMcBay (106610) | more than 9 years ago | (#13430200)

With Open Source, innovation usually comes from the guy who is copying the feature set of some existing closed source application.

Don't get me wrong, I'm pro-Open Source, but to suggest that OSS is generally innovative requires hitting the Kool-Aid pretty friggin' hard.

If you disagree, post counter-examples that prove I'm wrong rather than modding me down, please.

Re:+1 Insightful? (1)

drsmithy (35869) | more than 9 years ago | (#13431984)

Is it possible to give a quoted source in an article +1 for Insightful?

It's possible, but "-1, Troll" would be more appropriate.

Optimism (3, Insightful)

truckaxle (883149) | more than 9 years ago | (#13428725)

It costs about US$50 (£28) for a two-hour rental

This sounds low and optimistic. I wish them luck but when you are dealing with the public you have to design for the lowest common denominator and that can be surprisingly low. Liability insurance will cost an arm and leg for this venture.

Also there is a certain sense of entitlement and disrespect of others or common property that is engrained in the public mind. This is why projects that attempt to altrustically provide free public bicycles often (always?) fail.

But the open source software sounds cool.

Re:Optimism (1)

keyrat rafa (856668) | more than 9 years ago | (#13428804)

In Spain, insurance is considerably less and services on the whole are much cheaper than in the states.

Re:Optimism (1)

truckaxle (883149) | more than 9 years ago | (#13428845)

What are you saying they don't have a lottery style legal liability system where someone with deep pockets is liable for every stupid thing that happens to people. How unamerican! I say we liberate them from such tyranny.

Re:Optimism (2, Insightful)

guaigean (867316) | more than 9 years ago | (#13428861)

You're kidding right? I can rent a car on average in the US I can rent a full size car for a full day for ~$50. Are you telling me that $50 for two hours in a golf cart is cheap?

mod parent up (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 9 years ago | (#13428957)

This dude has obviously never rented a car (everywhere in the US except for Enterprise requires you to be 25, and I can't imagine many /. patrons are >18). I rented a minivan for $65/day in California, this by comparison is akin to highway robbery.

Re:Optimism (1)

markov_chain (202465) | more than 9 years ago | (#13428875)

$50 is a lot, you can get an actual gasoline rental car for around $100 for a whole day, or a Zipcar for around $5 an hour.

Re:Optimism (1)

keyrat rafa (856668) | more than 9 years ago | (#13428905)

Yeah, and a street legal golf cart will run you about $5k or more; horrible value compared to a car. It's the novelty of the thing.

Re:Optimism (1)

Morris Thorpe (762715) | more than 9 years ago | (#13428903)

Um, this is in Spain, not the U.S.

The Spanish are not sue-happy like we are.
As far as trashing the cars, I can tell you that, as a whole, attitudes are very different.

Oh wait, the cars *are* for tourists, many of whom will be Americans.

Never mind.

Re:Optimism (1)

stunt_penguin (906223) | more than 9 years ago | (#13432355)

You of course forget that liability laws in europer in general aren't as nuts as the U.S of A and probably wouldn't be as big a problem.

Where's the source? (2, Insightful)

Lumpy (12016) | more than 9 years ago | (#13428758)


The computer system is based on open source software developed by a company in Seville, Spain. As with any open source software, anyone can improve and change Blobject's code, as long as those improvements and changes are shared with others.


really? what company? where is a link to the sourcecode? I love stories devoid of information and throw around the term "open source"

Re:Where's the source? (2, Funny)

Otter (3800) | more than 9 years ago | (#13429023)

"Open source" doesn't require a link to source code, let alone that a BBC article about you have a link to source code.

Buy yourself a Blobject, request the source code and complain to us if they don't provide it. When we stop laughing at you in your silly golf cart, we'll get outraged then.

Link to Alfredo Romeo's Website (2, Informative)

8127972 (73495) | more than 9 years ago | (#13428762)

Link [aromeo.net] to the Alfredo Romeo website in English with some interesting details on these cars.

Sensationalist Headline? (4, Insightful)

Gothmolly (148874) | more than 9 years ago | (#13428770)

"open source auto" = "a regular car with a tour guide program which is ostensibly open source".

Big difference, there, "Scuttlemonkey".

And now for the Web site itself (1)

ronsta (815765) | more than 9 years ago | (#13428776)

Another version.... (1)

PHPhD2B (675590) | more than 9 years ago | (#13428786)

They also made another version, in a factory down south to promote employment in that region. They call it the Alfredosud.

Knowing the city... (1)

rca66 (818002) | more than 9 years ago | (#13428819)

'With proprietary software, innovation comes from the people in marketing. But with open source, innovation comes from the guy who is really in the market. It comes from someone who knows the city.'

Well, but they only know it from Google Maps. The guys from marketing at least can tell the dear visitor the coolest, newest and hippest clubs in town.

Misleading title (2, Informative)

Red Flayer (890720) | more than 9 years ago | (#13428838)

My chauffeur is sick, anyone know where to find a driver for this peripheral?

Seriously, the car operating software is not open-source... it's the navigational system software that is. The owner of the company makes a valid point about marketing-driven vs. user-driven software, but I surmise that this is a great example of OS working in the market...

It's cheaper to use open-source in some circumstances.

However, it is very misleading to write that the car is open-source.

Truer Words... (1)

eno2001 (527078) | more than 9 years ago | (#13428839)

...have never been spoken. What do marketers really know anyway. Other than what's shiny... ;P

Re:Truer Words... (1)

antifoidulus (807088) | more than 9 years ago | (#13428963)

No, it's vapid and devoid of content, much like your post.

Maybe I'm just a dumb slave, but the fact is I like and use some propietary software. Does that mean I am a marketing droid unable to think for myself? No, it means that I saw what was out there and made a choice, the very definition of freedom. I also use a lot of OSS tools, does that mean anything? Not really, there is a market, and I made a choice.

The one thing I can't stand about OSS zealouts is how they scream "freedom" but get mad when freedom means a choice that isn't OSS. Choice=freedom, end of story.

Re:Truer Words... (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 9 years ago | (#13429068)

Ah, yet another anti-/ post. And in typical form, proceeds to bash the basher by..... bashing. Come on, at least put some effort (read: thought) into it, will ya?

> No, it's vapid and devoid of content, much like your post.

And 99.999% of all marketting. Well in excess of Sturgen's Law.

Re:Truer Words... (1)

2short (466733) | more than 9 years ago | (#13429459)

Marketers may or may not know anything at all. The person quoted certainly doesn't know what they're talking about. I write proprietary software, and marketers are not the drivers of any design or technical decisions whatsoever. They just ask questions about the software after it's done, and promote it based on features that strike me as trivial or irrelevant. For example, it's no doubt a marketer who decided they should push the "open-source" nature of this car. The engineers would know that 99% of the tech in this car is proprietary, including all the fun parts. It's the dopey little tour-guide box that's open source. Ask for IP-unencumbered schematics for their electronic speed controllers and see if the car itself is "open source".

Frankly, a disparagement of marketers is kind of funny coming from a guy who is one; as far as I can tell, fairly exclusively.

Re:Truer Words... (1)

eno2001 (527078) | more than 9 years ago | (#13429745)

Speed controllers! Who cares about the speed controllers!? The important content is the tour-guide box because without it how do you expect the city to market itself!!!? ;P

I am not a marketer. I'm a musician who manages a lot of different systems (OSes, routers, switches, etc...). I do it all. Scripting, coding, configs, managing staff, working with vendors and clients, etc... ad nauseum. Yep. Not a marketer.

Re:Truer Words... (1)

2short (466733) | more than 9 years ago | (#13430012)


I didn't mean you were a marketer, but rather Alfredo Romeo, who's seems to elsewhere be named Alfredo Romeo Molina; but I can't tell if the difference is Spanish last name conventions which I don't fully understand, or a concious effort to make his name sound like Alpha-Romeo when connected to cars. In any case, he seems to not have developed any of the tech involved, but just markets it. He also writes books that look to me like Spanish language re-hashings of English language open source boosterism. Basically, he's got "huckster" written all over him.

In any case, though I dig at marketers, I've worked at a company that had technically savvy people moonlighting as the marketing department, and at one that had proper, competent marketers, who were technical idiots. I can only conclude that knowing what is shiny is both harder and more important than it seems.

Re:Truer Words... (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 9 years ago | (#13430175)

What a great world we live in! Programmers can write whatever they like in proprietary software shops. Then, when they feel like they've finished a great and wonderful project that is a testament to great technology and software design, they call up the marketing department so the marketeers can ask questions and figure out how they can sell this newly born revolution in software.

Oh wait. That's right. Programmers don't make strategic, and therefore MARKETING, decisions for proprietary companies. Product development is done by MARKETING and executive staff, NOT by programmers.

Welcome to reality.

Worstest word evar! (4, Funny)

Otter (3800) | more than 9 years ago | (#13428848)

I've had a series of JE's as new candidates for Worst Word Ever emerge -- I believe that most recently "malternative" knocked off "blogmarklet".

But "blobject" is a simply a horror of Lovecraftian proportions.

See more here (2, Informative)

Anonymous Coward | more than 9 years ago | (#13428985)

GPL Car (1)

kunkie (859716) | more than 9 years ago | (#13428995)

If the software in the car is licensed under the GNU GPL doesn't the car then become GPL because it is viral...

Open Source Autos Hit the Streets (2, Funny)

El_Muerte_TDS (592157) | more than 9 years ago | (#13429041)

Well, could be worse. At least it's not a wall or something.

I wonder if the car was windows.

Re:Open Source Autos Hit the Streets (1)

avleeuwen (697047) | more than 9 years ago | (#13429226)

It has windows, but they're called 'X-Windows'. Also, you can't open or close them without using a window widget library.

As an Amuricuhn... (3, Funny)

eno2001 (527078) | more than 9 years ago | (#13429460)

...I wouldn't be caught dea in one of those disasters on wheels. Here is why:

1. It's too small. I weigh about 450 Lbs due to my healthy and steady Amuricuhn diet of fast food and convenience snacks. I might be able to sit in it by myself, but I'd like to have my wife and kids with me and I don't see how that little thing is going to handle 1400 Lbs total for my family of three.

2. Is uses electricity which is inferior to petroleum for the amount of energy produced per gallon. One gallon of electricity gets you what? Ten feet mabye? Sorry, but give me an Escalade with extra gas tanks.

3. It looks wimpy. Just picture yourself going around full throttle at 20 MPH! When I get in a car, I want to go 0-80 in no more than 15 seconds. Again, give me an Escalade.

4. Where's the DVD player? My son likes to ask a lot of stupid questions about stuff we're driving past when we're on vacation. Like when we drove past the Grand Canyon, he asked if we could get out and look at it. For god sakes! If god had intended for us to actually walk around natural formations like that he would have made us donkeys or billy goats instead of people. My kid needs to have his eyes locked on a DVD or video game so he doesn't ask stupid questions. That's a MAJOR flaw in the design of this thing.

5. IF these things could hit 80-150 miles an hour, they'd also need radar detectors to keep the cops from being able to illegitimately raise revenue by ticketing me when I was well in control of the car. I guess it doesn't matter though since they TOP OUT at 20 MPH! It also doesn't matter because I won't be putting my sweet Amuricuhn ass in one of those pencil necked carts.

6. They're open to the outside. If I want a tan, I'm going to lie on the beach, not sweat like crazy in a car. Who in their right mind would ever want a car that's open? I can count the number of times that my car windows are open here in the U.S. of A. in a year on one hand. I prefer to have my AC blasting on full if it's over 65 F because it keeps me from sweating. I also like the fact that it blows the fragrance from my car air freshener around and makes the car smell like the clean outdoors just the way mother nature intended.

7. There's no stereo system. When I drive I like to avoid being distracted, so I put the stereo up on full volume to drown out any yammering my wife and kid might be sending my way. Whatever they have to say is unimportant and I like Kidd Rock and Eminem. They're much more entertaining.

8. These things are funded by a communist government. I was kind of shocked to find out that Cordoba is a communist run city. I thought the only place the red menace still existed was Cuba and China. I guess we're going to have to pre-emptively strike Cordoba before they get us. They're probably getting together some terrorists to try and take down the good old U.S. of A. Our best and safest route is to probably send some troops down to South America to take care of those uppity commies in Cordoba.

9. Open source software promotes piracy and communism. The use of open source on these "cars" probably violates IP laws in every civilized capitalist nation. If this jackass tried to start a similar business here, I can guaran-damn-tee you that he'd be face to face with CIA and FBI agents wanting to see his past affiliations.

We've got to protect Amuricuh. Our homeland security should be the first thing on everyone's mind on the entire planet because we've got the big guns. Something goes wrong here and we get taken over by the commies, you know they'll use our firepower against all the sissy nations of the world the at turn tail at the slightest sign of trouble. Give us some respect and don't drive these monstrosities anywhere but into the ground.

Re:As an Amuricuhn... (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 9 years ago | (#13429778)

Tell me this is just a lame joke.

Re:As an Amuricuhn... (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 9 years ago | (#13430136)

No. The mis-spelling of America 50 billion or so times was a typo in a very serious post... ass.

Re:As an Amuricuhn... (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 9 years ago | (#13430271)

I like your use of the word "ass." Such a poignant and subtle term should be used with delicacy, as you have done here. Congrats.

Re:As an Amuricuhn... (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 9 years ago | (#13431057)

"Our best and safest route is to probably send some troops down to South America to take care of those uppity commies in Cordoba."
Spain is in Europe, not South America, and Cordoba is run by a leftist party, not quite a commy regime there.

What a load of baloney (2, Interesting)

suitepotato (863945) | more than 9 years ago | (#13429524)

First, as is noted by a few sane souls, some of the software is OSS, and who cares?

Second, it's an electric car. Someone call Ed Begley, Jr. and wake me when they design and build one that is properly competitive with my SUV and cost effective.

Third, innovation does NOT come from the marketing people, they merely put a glitzy name to the innovation. Innovation in software comes from astute programmers who "get it" as to what the customer is not only wanting, but actually needing and lacking the descriptive powers to convey. The cry programmers should live for is not, "oooh, cool, open source..." but "EXACTLY! This is EXACTLY what I was needing! Damn, this is EXACTLY IT!"

And then the common know-nothing-about-the-behind-the-scenes people chalk it up to the sales and marketing people while the programmers go on to have post orgasmic depression, their having "gotten it" gone unappreciated. Such is the life of those doing the writing. Strangely, no one ascribes Stephen King's works to the marketing department of his publisher...

Re:What a load of baloney (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 9 years ago | (#13430321)

Second, it's an electric car. Someone call Ed Begley, Jr. and wake me when they design and build one that is properly competitive with my SUV and cost effective.

Just wait dickhead, just wait.

What is your lardarse going to do when you cannot afford to pay $100 to travel 1 mile?

Better learn soon. Just because you have a big truck, doesn't mean you are a man - or that you are worth a shit.

Cordoba? (2, Funny)

TWX (665546) | more than 9 years ago | (#13429540)

"...electrically powered tourist cars in Cordoba..."

WELL, my Cordoba [allpar.com] is powered by good ol' gasoline. Chrysler four barrel 360 engines don't run on anything else. Besides, I know that mine's better. Chicks dig the Fine Corinthian Leather(tm).

I can't believe that Ricardo Montalban went from a Cordoba to a Reliant [imdb.com] .

Gentoo version? (1)

prestwich (123353) | more than 9 years ago | (#13429764)

Of course Gentoos version will be a kit car; it will give you 3 options for the level you want to start with:
      * Preassembled body parts (doors, engine etc) - for the wimps.
      * Precut, cast metal ready to assemble.
      * Metal ore for the real hard cases.

Gentoo is for Ricers (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 9 years ago | (#13430283)

Apropos [funroll-loops.org] .

The communist Town Hall (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 9 years ago | (#13430134)

There is now a polemic in Spain, because Cordoba's Mayor has paid (with the money of all the citizens of Cordoba) a travel to visit Cuba (something about a meeting between Castro and Chavez). All the people that went there was selected exclusively in function of its communist ideology, of course.

When they returned, a town concillor that was there said somethnig about that Cuba and Venezuela were idilic places of freedom... :-P

Sorry for my english. (It's spanglish). My connection is slow today, I couldn't correct this post with a translator.

Re:The communist Town Hall (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 9 years ago | (#13430496)

P-A-Y-A-S-O (spanish word, like clown but with a contemptuous meaning)

Greetings from Spain, that communist country :-)

There are some continuing annoyed with last lost elections X-D

(sorry for my ugly english too)

Re:The communist Town Hall (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 9 years ago | (#13431646)

That guy wants a communist Spain to declare the war to the United States, the enemy of the world... :P

Spain has what it deserves... you are mistaken, PAYASOS are the guys that voted Zapatero. And Zapatero did what Al-Qaeda told him to do. And Al-Qaeda has understood that terrorist is a good way to obtain results, because it worked in Spain. So today is London, tomorrow who knows....

Re:The communist Town Hall (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 9 years ago | (#13434212)

The worst is that is I'm affraid you are saying this seriously...

Two posibilities:

1)You are spanish: No more yo say. Same as above anonymous coward.

2)You are from USA:

It's very impressive how much brainwashed you (USA citizens) are about the left-handed european countries. We've really nothing to do with old hard-communist regimes. You'd better visiting Spain.

Bye

Re:The communist Town Hall (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 9 years ago | (#13431920)

Let's go to barrapunto [barrapunto.com] and say that to me on my face, if you have balls. Rojo!. Etarra!. Enemigo de la libertad!.

Does anyone else find it amusing? (1)

0Seeker0 (905487) | more than 9 years ago | (#13431652)

Does anyone else find it amusing that it doesn't come with any doors, yet there's a $695 option for an Alpine stereo system? :P

No doors? (1)

Mancat (831487) | more than 9 years ago | (#13432012)

Even on the GEM web site, there's no option for doors on this thing. I guess it doesn't rain in Treehugger Country.

Real Open-Source Car (1)

psychgeek (838231) | more than 9 years ago | (#13432021)


(with appologies to Crocodile Dundee...)

That's not an Open-Source car!
. . .
THIS is an Open-Source Car:
http://65.254.46.136/oscars/ [65.254.46.136]

USD$50 per 2hours rental - ouch! (1)

YuriGherkin (870386) | more than 9 years ago | (#13433053)

That's a fairly hefty price to pay by a tourist for 2hours in a city. I don't see the value in that. You wouldn't want to stop at any cafes/parks/restaurants along way - at USD25/hr! Perhaps these are rented to the same sorts of tourists that "do" the Louvre in 2 hours. :P

I'd happily rent a GPS enabled PDA with all the same tourist information for USD $50/day.

Or better still, I could buy a guide book (for all of Spain or Europe) for the same price and take a walking a tour with a local guide for a couple hours as well. At least I can interact with the local guide and I get to keep the guide book.

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