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FP! (-1, Offtopic)

vivarintoki (903627) | more than 8 years ago | (#13435370)

woot

decentralised? (2, Interesting)

b100dian (771163) | more than 8 years ago | (#13435408)

This is a decentralised file-sharing network, where files are not stored on a central server..

The most widely used ed2k server software is Lugdunum, although MLDonkey provides an open source alternative...(http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/eDonke y_Network [wikipedia.org])

Doesn't seems more decentralised than bittorrent to me..

Re:decentralised? (1)

raile (610069) | more than 8 years ago | (#13435491)

1) "Files are not stored on a central server" for the eMule network, just the catalog of available files for clients connected to/registered with the server.
2) Perhaps you should look also into the decentralised Kad Network [wikipedia.org] that has run on top of the eMule client for serveral versions now.

Re:decentralised? (1)

b100dian (771163) | more than 8 years ago | (#13435543)

Why, bittorrent has "Files are stored on a central server"?

If you want untraceable download, get a HDD duplicator:P
Or continue to obfuscate the communication ad infinitum:D </troll>

This is news? (5, Funny)

thc69 (98798) | more than 8 years ago | (#13435371)

I was under the impression that eDonkey is what everybody uses for file sharing these days, and that BitTorrent was mostly used for software distribution (Free and Open Source, mostly).

Re:This is news? (4, Interesting)

PsychicX (866028) | more than 8 years ago | (#13435414)

In other news, the MPAA, RIAA, and similar organizations are still stumbling around like friggin morons, trying to kill all file sharing because it is fundamentally evil. God fobrbid they change their business model [arstechnica.com] to avoid becoming obsolete.

Re:This is news? (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 8 years ago | (#13435415)

I think it depends on which one of them has the best "community" site, like eg sharereactor.com used to be the best for donkey. Now I switched to mostly torrent, because it has a nicer sites for finding torrent as far as I know.

Re:This is news? (1, Troll)

Nuclear Elephant (700938) | more than 8 years ago | (#13435444)

eMule/aMule/etc. are much cooler because you can easily mod them to leech without having to give anything back to the community. As I understand it, this is why the FSF also wants to slam eDonkey, as it's hurting open source.

Every movie recently released is secretly porn (5, Funny)

Mr Guy (547690) | more than 8 years ago | (#13435449)

At least, that was the impression I came to after I tried to use eDonkey for a while. After a half dozen or so downloads, I finally said screw it and went to Blockbuster.

I figure, in a way, I'm doing Blockbuster a favor. I typically watch movies only once or twice, so I'm just taking their "No Late Fees" policy to the extreme. They are pretty clear that the return refers to the rental, and doesn't terminate your right to view. So I figure as long as I don't distribute I can maintain a moral ambiguity long enough to justify ripping the movie and returning it, on time, to watch when it's more convenient. That way, unlike with a movie purchase, they have the hard copy to rent to someone else, and it's back in the store the day. As long as I don't distribute, it seems to be exactly the same as established precedent law on time shifting.

Flawed logic, perhaps, but a nifty bit of justification I'd say.

Re:Every movie recently released is secretly porn (3, Funny)

MisterMurphy (899535) | more than 8 years ago | (#13435509)

That sure was a lot of fancy words. I'm sold.

Re:Every movie recently released is secretly porn (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 8 years ago | (#13435701)

That sure was a lot of fancy words

Yer write - them's grade 6 words. What part of Alabama do you live in?

Re:Every movie recently released is secretly porn (5, Interesting)

masklinn (823351) | more than 8 years ago | (#13435565)

I figure, in a way, I'm doing Blockbuster a favor. I typically watch movies only once or twice, so I'm just taking their "No Late Fees" policy to the extreme. They are pretty clear that the return refers to the rental, and doesn't terminate your right to view. So I figure as long as I don't distribute I can maintain a moral ambiguity long enough to justify ripping the movie and returning it, on time, to watch when it's more convenient. That way, unlike with a movie purchase, they have the hard copy to rent to someone else, and it's back in the store the day. As long as I don't distribute, it seems to be exactly the same as established precedent law on time shifting.

Your behaviour is probably Bad© and AntiAmerican©, if not CommieAnarchistLibertarian© for US standards, but it's been ruled as perfectly legal in France, and therefore would probably be in most of Europe.

Re:Every movie recently released is secretly porn (5, Interesting)

bradbeattie (908320) | more than 8 years ago | (#13435588)

I think that's what personal use comes down to. Imagine the following scenario in the fantastic world of 2029! People have the ability to record any stimuli that they experience, record it and play it back at a later date. If we have that ability, what right does anyone have to my experiences? I can relive that moment in the movie theatre, listening to that song, etc. Now take that as an analogy to today's content-providing world. Do content distributors have the right to tell me not to reminisce on the movie I saw last week? 'Course not. If I had perfect memory, I could relive it too.

Re:Every movie recently released is secretly porn (2, Insightful)

goldspider (445116) | more than 8 years ago | (#13435610)

"Flawed logic, perhaps, but a nifty bit of justification I'd say."

Thanks for giving the RIAA/MPAA justification. Take notice, Slashbots. The parent post is a perfect example of why media industries regard their "customers" with such distrust.

Re:Every movie recently released is secretly porn (2, Insightful)

Mr Guy (547690) | more than 8 years ago | (#13435694)

Thanks for giving the RIAA/MPAA justification.
Actually, before you level an accusation like that, you'd need to point how how my logic is flawed. Blockbuster makes the same money they would otherwise, thus the MPAA makes the same money they would otherwise, and I watch the movie when it's convenient. I can't see how this is illegal, except for the fact I have to use deCSS to do it. I don't even make a perfect digital copy, which was part of the stipulation of the Sony Beta case. I make a reduced quality copy.

The only thing I have telling me it's "wrong" is some vague sense of the RIAA/MPAA wanting me to officially "buy" a copy of it. I can't even put my finger on the law that would make it "wrong" (Again, other than the DMCA). It would seem to my untrained nonlegal mind that the Supreme Court would uphold my right to make a reduced quality backup for the purpose of time shifting. Reading Blockbuster's membership terms, I can't even find where they say I'm prohibited from making a personal copy, except where it says I have to obey copyright law, which I've already explained I can't find where I'm not.

In short, my logic may be flawed, but I can't personally find where. The MPAA doesn't have to like it, if it's legal.

Re:This is news? (1)

xtracto (837672) | more than 8 years ago | (#13435450)

Indeed, I was using Emule/ed2k network to download long before the Bittorrent / The Piratebay et. al. anwhere available, Personally I find more things on the Ed2k networks...
As an example, there is NO WAY you can find a movie called "Rojo Amanecer" (mexican movie abou the October 2nd massacre in Tlatelolco) on any torrent, but it is available on Emule.

I also used sometime Winmx, that was when I was looking for the digital version of back iusses of the GAme developers Magazine which I could not find on emule (less on bittorrent of course) and I think some japanesse or chinesse had it on WinMX because it was there. These days, I could find only the CD 2 of those archives. [gdmag.com]

 

Re:This is news? (1)

Pxtl (151020) | more than 8 years ago | (#13435473)

Actually, since ED2k clients usually include browser integration for ed2k links, I've seen a lot of win32 projects using ED2k for distribution instead of BT. My problem is the clients - I use Shareaza, which sucks up all my high-speed-lite bandwidth and beats my 2ghz processor into a bloody pulp when I use it, even if I'm only getting 1k/s of download. The alternative would be to use that Java-based client - but running a JVM all the time would eat half my ram.

Re:This is news? (0)

LSD-OBS (183415) | more than 8 years ago | (#13435503)

The Java one (Azureus) has great bandwidth management but rapes your CPU and RAM like an elephant with 8 spikey prehensile cocks.

Re:This is news? (1)

duguk (589689) | more than 8 years ago | (#13435581)

That's one way to put it!

I'm using Azureus atm, it does support E-Donkey links, absolutely.

The problem I've found with it, is not that it rapes my CPU or RAM, but my PC still grinds to a halt! Very few TCP connections, and using Sun Java...

Anyone have any ideas? I've just stuck with it and now resort to leave it running overnight, but I'm sure I could run it normally, if i knew what it was that was holding up my system so bad...

[Gets out the big red book of PerfMon and sits down to read for a while]

DugUK

Re:This is news? (1)

bheer (633842) | more than 8 years ago | (#13435632)

I agree about the RAM, but I've found Azureus' new CPU-friendly hashing mode quite useful (on my Pentium M). And even for RAM, a 30-40M process working set size is hardly a lot these days -- Outlook 2003 or Firefox with lots of tabs open use much more.

Re:This is news? (4, Interesting)

xtracto (837672) | more than 8 years ago | (#13435482)

Indeed, I was using Emule/ed2k network to download long before the Bittorrent / The Piratebay et. al. anwhere available, Personally I find more things on the Ed2k networks...
As an example, there is NO WAY you can find a movie called "Rojo Amanecer" (mexican movie abou the October 2nd massacre in Tlatelolco [wikipedia.org]) on any torrent, but it is available on Emule.

I also used sometime Winmx, that was when I was looking for the digital version of back iusses of the GAme developers Magazine [gdmag.com] which I could not find on emule (less on bittorrent of course) and I think some japanesse or chinesse had it on WinMX because it was there. These days, I could find only the CD 2 of those archives.

 

Re:This is news? (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 8 years ago | (#13435496)

BitTorrent was mostly used for software distribution (Free and Open Source, mostly).

Ignorance is bliss, eh?

giggity giggity (-1, Offtopic)

Anonymous Coward | more than 8 years ago | (#13435372)

fp

Have I. (-1, Offtopic)

Anonymous Coward | more than 8 years ago | (#13435376)

Fist Pots?

Funny... (3, Informative)

darkitecture (627408) | more than 8 years ago | (#13435383)

Funny... it was because of increased legal activity that I moved from eDonkey to BitTorrent.

...and started using PeerGuardian.

Re:Funny... (2, Informative)

imogthe (742394) | more than 8 years ago | (#13435483)

I tried methlabs' http://methlabs.org/projects/peerguardian-linuxosx / [methlabs.org] but it almost brought my box to a grinding halt while loading some 18.000 rules into iptables. After that the box was virtually useless as the load average was around 20.0!
The blurb on the methlab site advertises a very low CPU usage, but that's obviously only for the PG software itself as all the work seems to be done by iptables... YMMV.

Re:Funny... (4, Informative)

darkitecture (627408) | more than 8 years ago | (#13435512)


PeerGuardian 1.x was known to 'occasionally' balloon with its CPU usage from time to time, which was a shame. PeerGuardian2 is just fine though; been running it for at least six months (iirc) and never had it higher than 1%.

PeerGuardian; false sence of security (4, Informative)

Anonymous Coward | more than 8 years ago | (#13435505)

Often thought of as a means of evading the anti-piracy wings of corporations and groups such as the RIAA and MPAA, PeerGuardian offers little actual protection against the threat of prosecution. Users of Bittorrent often tout the application as a means of protection, but it offers little more than a false sense of security. Whilst anti-piracy organisations and groups will not be able to connect to peers or seeds using PeerGuardian, these peers and seeds are still broadcasting their IP addresses for anyone, including anti-piracy groups, to see.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/PeerGuardian [wikipedia.org]

Re:PeerGuardian; false sence of security (1)

darkitecture (627408) | more than 8 years ago | (#13435538)


*shrug* I got one warning before using PeerGuardian. The two years since, nada.

Re:PeerGuardian; false sence of security (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 8 years ago | (#13435613)

*shrug* I got one warning before using PeerGuardian. The two years since, nada.

Thats brave! I'd just buy the flippin cd's rather than risk a $15,000 fine!

Wouldn't this be? (1, Funny)

Anonymous Coward | more than 8 years ago | (#13435394)

"While the use of BitTorrent has fallen, file sharers have moved to an alternative network called eDonkey"

Shouldn't this say that users are moving BACK to alternative newtworks like eDonkey?

You'd have thought (5, Funny)

Ixne (599904) | more than 8 years ago | (#13435395)


... that the movie industry moguls had played Whack-a-Mole at the amusement parks before and learned something. Guess not.

Re:You'd have thought (5, Insightful)

tyllwin (513130) | more than 8 years ago | (#13435445)

It *is* like whack-a-mole, isn't it?

Anyway, I thought the algorithm of the moment was "If it's popular, torrent it, use emule if it's rare (and be prepared for it to take forever.)'

Re:You'd have thought (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 8 years ago | (#13435647)

That's an effective analogy, but not in the manner you're expecting. You only need a couple of moles to keep the tickets flowing if you have a constant stream of quarters.

Re:You'd have thought (1)

GecKo213 (890491) | more than 8 years ago | (#13435677)

When we played Whack-a-Mole my friends would all take a couple holes and cover them with our hands. you should have seen our scores! Sometimes we'd even sit on the stupid thing. nothing like a quick Goose from a mole. ;)

keep seeding (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 8 years ago | (#13435399)

Who would call eDonkey and "alternate network"? Really.

Plus being from one of the above countries, this is total crap, BT is going stronger every day. And we know very well that, as long as you're NOT an US citizen, no-one will sue your ass out of a network connection... they might search our homes and compromise our hosted servers, but we dont sue ;)

keep it seeding.

How long is this going to go on? (2)

Anakron (899671) | more than 8 years ago | (#13435406)

How long is it going to be before the *AA realises that suing everybody they can see isn't working? Cat and mouse game indeed.

Re:How long is this going to go on? (1)

Jessta (666101) | more than 8 years ago | (#13435568)

It's about profit.
Records sales are booming.
File sharing isn't affecting them at all.

Most of the stuff I would download would be stuff I wouldn't pay for anyway. old tv shows, crappy music.

But if they sue me for $20,000, they make money.

Legit or not? (2, Interesting)

Speare (84249) | more than 8 years ago | (#13435419)

If the previous uses of [insert your old P2P tech here] were valid according to the laws of the country in question, then the movie industry should be smacked out of court and life moves on.

If the previous uses of that technology were not valid according to the laws of the country in question, then the people who are sourcing the illicit data should be smacked around in court and life moves on.

If you don't like those terms, stay the fuck away from data that you don't have a legal right to transfer, and produce more original data which will have the transfer rights (public domain, creative commons, gpl, whatever) you prefer.

This has NOTHING to do with the trend to replace [insert your old P2P tech here] with [insert your new P2P tech here].

Re:Legit or not? (2, Interesting)

orzetto (545509) | more than 8 years ago | (#13435502)

Are you saying that because Jack the Ripper used a scalpel, my surgeon has to operate me with a spoon? That since crackers use Linux, we should forbid it (yay, forbid computers altogether!)? That since speeders use cars, we all have to walk only? That since Lucrezia Borgia poisoned people, we should ban chemistry?

Get the difference: there can be uses and abuses of the same thing.

Re:Legit or not? (1)

Speare (84249) | more than 8 years ago | (#13435676)

No, I'm saying precisely the opposite, and quite clearly, I thought. Maybe you can't read.

The technology is irrelevant. It's all the same for BitTorrent or eDonkey or whatever. Switching technologies has nothing to do with the core issue: current laws protect movie industry content in many countries. If you're copying movies that you aren't authorized by law or contract to copy, prepare to be squashed no matter what tech you are using. If the movie industry is suing to try to stop legitimate copying in countries where that right is held by the people, then the movie industry should be thrown out of court, preferably with heavy fines to stop their barratry.

Stallman slams Slashdot; Slashdot silent (-1, Offtopic)

Anonymous Coward | more than 8 years ago | (#13435420)

Wow. Apparently over 500 people submitted a Forbes story where Richard Stallman strongly criticizes Slashdot and Newsforge for not supporting open source, and Slashdot editors refused to post the story:

http://www.forbes.com/technology/2005/08/26/open-l inux-proprietary-cz_dl_0826open.html?partner=yahoo tix [forbes.com]

It would be embarassing, wouldn't it? Here's Richard Stallman with such gems:

Stallman says it bugs him that VA Software-owned Web sites, like SourceForge and NewsForge, take money from Microsoft to run "smear campaign" ads on its sites. And he is not impressed when folks at places like Slashdot and NewsForge claim he is their hero.

"They dwell on how much they admire me or my principles, because they want said admiration to pass as a substitute for doing the right thing," Stallman says.

Would any Slashdotters and NewsForgers dare to live up to Stallman's ideals and bite the closed source hand that feeds them? Would any of these cyber Che Guevaras push their employer to "Do the right thing"?

Probably not. But no doubt they'll keep smack-talking about "openness" and "freedom"--and denouncing the "enemies" of the movement on VA Software Web sites.

Re:Stallman slams Slashdot; Slashdot silent (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 8 years ago | (#13435465)

If Stallman has something to say, he can say it himself. Forbes is a vile flacid organ that is host to human excerement like Dan Lyons, I admire /. editors for not linking to it.

Re:Stallman slams Slashdot; Slashdot silent (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 8 years ago | (#13435542)

They link to Roland Piquepaille, you can hardly admire them for that..

Re:Stallman slams Slashdot; Slashdot silent (1)

Fallingcow (213461) | more than 8 years ago | (#13435602)

Dana Lyons, the guy who did the song "Cows With Guns"?

Seriously, is that who you're talking about?

Re:Stallman slams Slashdot; Slashdot silent (1)

/ASCII (86998) | more than 8 years ago | (#13435541)

Slashdot is not a news agency with that claims to giva a fair and balanced view of the world, it is a blog consisting of links to articles that the editors think are cool. I can't blame the Slashdot editors for not wanting to link to an article where one of the largest figures of the open source movement strongly critizises them.

Re:Stallman slams Slashdot; Slashdot silent (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 8 years ago | (#13435560)

Slashdot is a blog?

Well, that explains alot of things I see here on a daily basis that passes off as 'news'.

Re:Stallman slams Slashdot; Slashdot silent (1)

/ASCII (86998) | more than 8 years ago | (#13435627)

That is exactly what it is. It just happens to be a blog that is older than the blogging phenomenon. The Slashdot editors have, as far as I know, _never_ claimed that slashdot is anything than a hobbyist news feed that happened to grow pretty big.

Re:Stallman slams Slashdot; Slashdot silent (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 8 years ago | (#13435666)

Except, as editors, they don't really edit. Its really sad they call themselves a "news" site and claim to have "editors" but churn out the utter shite that they do on a daily basis, while smacking the good will of subscribers and the readers with dupes, editor mod-bombings, and allowing people like Jon Katz and Michael Sims to do the things they did without acknowledging it.

Re:Stallman slams Slashdot; Slashdot silent (1)

hoehue (873037) | more than 8 years ago | (#13435601)

> Stallman says it bugs him that VA Software-owned > Web sites, like SourceForge and NewsForge, take > money from Microsoft to run "smear campaign" ads > on its sites. Do they? Maybe I'm blind on that eye.

Where did you live... (5, Informative)

LaserTank2005 (890708) | more than 8 years ago | (#13435422)

...the last 4 years? That sounds if nobody ever heard of the ed2k network - now known as eMule / Kademlia...

You can't kill the nature of internet :) (2, Insightful)

Programmer_In_Traini (566499) | more than 8 years ago | (#13435431)

This just shows that no matter what the people in legal suits do, they can't kill the sharing ... they cannot kill the internet RAWRR!! :-p

Seriously, for any network they "shut down" 10 new will popup. The reason for that is that its hard to prove that they're used only for illegal file sharing, many like, BitTorrents and other havea very legitimate use.

But, that's what makes the world go round these days and lawyers are all the more happy because that's more money in their pockets.

quality over quantity (4, Informative)

Janitha (817744) | more than 8 years ago | (#13435435)

One might say that bit torrent is losing ground, but in what sense? The number of GB moving back and forth? the number of times you use it everyday for same purpose? Files found on bit torrent tend to be of higher quality and larger size compared to those found in eDonkey network? eDonkey network has files from 1K to several gigs. And torrent files also usually tend to be more legit than those found in eDonkey (as in falsely named, not always but sometimes and corrupt). So it could be that people are using torrents to download a movie using one step, compared to in eDonkey them having to download several copies at a time or simply redownloading since the first copy that was downloaded was not the right one. And admit it, the process for downloading a movie in both these networks are simple, but eDonkey is defintly easier (I don't think so, but many others do) so wouldn't the majority simply choose the easier one?

eDonkey (5, Informative)

Eminence (225397) | more than 8 years ago | (#13435436)

What I don't get is why the post doesn't provide link to some information about eDonkey network [wikipedia.org] and some [emule-project.net] clients [nongnu.org] to use [shareaza.com]. I know it can be found on the Net within seconds, but why not make the article more useful.

Re:eDonkey (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 8 years ago | (#13435629)

Another useful link for information about various P2P networks is available here: http://slyck.com/ [slyck.com]

They even provide historical trend data on usage of the various P2P networks: http://slyck.com/stats.php [slyck.com]

Being #1 is good? (4, Insightful)

Winterblink (575267) | more than 8 years ago | (#13435446)

I would hardly call being the #1 filesharing network a "gain", with the ??AA's being all lawsuity.

They're moving on? (5, Insightful)

eMadman (911276) | more than 8 years ago | (#13435447)

Let me get this straight - these people are moving ON to edonkey/emule? Most people who do filesharing started off on eDonkey and then switched to Bittorrent for the speeds it offered.

eDonkey isn't new (1)

dividedsky319 (907852) | more than 8 years ago | (#13435451)

eDonkey has been around for a while...

Years back they used it at a tv episode sharing website... Unfortunately I can't remember the name of it though. It was originally a page to archive tv shows like the State and MST3k, and moved on to archive other shows... it was eventually shut down though, as it got more popular to share tv shows and the authorities started getting involved.

It operated in pretty much the same way BitTorrent does... you download a small file that has hash information, and the program downloads the file from other users.

Re:eDonkey isn't new (2)

g_adams27 (581237) | more than 8 years ago | (#13435615)

> Years back they used it at a tv episode sharing website Unfortunately I can't remember the
> name of it though. It was originally a page to archive tv shows like the State and MST3k, and moved
> on to archive other shows... it was eventually shut down though, as it got more popular to share tv
> shows and the authorities started getting involved.

You're referring to the Digital Archive Project [dapcentral.org], which still exists. The one for MST3K is also still around [dapcentral.org].

I can't remember what Best Brain's take on that project was, but I believe they got fairly enthusiastic support from MST3K luminaries like Kevin Murphy. The project leaders were very careful not to make available any episode that was available for purchase through Rhino Recordings.

This isn't the end (2, Insightful)

ChrisF79 (829953) | more than 8 years ago | (#13435453)

Let's face the facts. As soon as the RIAA or whatever organization starts scaring people away from one technology, everyone migrates to the next. To see a story touted as news about people switching from torrents to eDonkey seems like common sense really. In six months or so, I think we'll be reading a post on here about how people are switching from eDonkey to whatever comes next. It's a cycle with the organizing bodies constantly playing catch-up.

I hate to be a stick in the mud, but... (4, Funny)

th3space (531154) | more than 8 years ago | (#13435466)

If they keep *telling* the various special interest groups what we're using to rape their respective industries, no fucking wonder there are new rounds of lawsuits every time large groups of people jump from one sinking ship to another...

Bastard media, be on our side for once.

BitTorrent usage in S. Korea (2, Funny)

Rude Turnip (49495) | more than 8 years ago | (#13435478)

What the article fails to mention is that in South Korea, only old people are using BT now.

Whack a mole (2, Funny)

the_Bionic_lemming (446569) | more than 8 years ago | (#13435511)

Bet the Folks at RIAA and MPAA thought it was fun to play whack a mole when they were kids!

See It's Karma! First you have fun whacking the game, Now you're fighting for your lives attempting to whack any file sharing out there!

Ooh, It's Napster! WHACK! OOOH it's KAZAA! WHACK! OOOH IT'S BITTORRENT ! WHACK! OOOH IT'S EDONKEY! WHACK!

Interesting point but..... (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 8 years ago | (#13435515)

eDonkey? Never heard of it. Tell me more....

eDonkey can't stop MPAA/RIAA (3, Insightful)

LexNaturalis (895838) | more than 8 years ago | (#13435520)

It doesn't matter if people move from Kazaa to BitTorrent to eDonkey, as the article mentions, because the internet traffic still ends up in the same place. At some point, the traffic has to go from your computer to another computer via an ISP or other such service (obviously assuming it's not a LAN). The MPAA/RIAA has taken to issuing subpoena's to ISPs, so even if eDonkey is "decentralized" the users can still get caught. I don't see what the point is, really. I mean, seriously... if the BBC is posting about it, do you think the over-priced greedy hawk lawyers of the RIAA/MPAA are going to ignore it?

Reliable? (1)

Tezprice (875643) | more than 8 years ago | (#13435522)

The article doesn't mention how these stats were produced. Did they conduct a questionaire or did they monitor server traffic?

How reliable are these results?

Re:Reliable? (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 8 years ago | (#13435596)

The source of the information is CacheLogic [cachelogic.com], who (amongst other things) build P2P traffic caching systems for ISPs, so chances are they are watching server traffic.

Why is this news? (2, Informative)

NubKnacker (787274) | more than 8 years ago | (#13435547)

Don't junkies move from one spot to another to buy their drugs after the cops bust a spot? File sharers are doing the same...

Good Riddence. (0, Troll)

MindStalker (22827) | more than 8 years ago | (#13435549)

Personally I'm happy to see these people gone. Most likly the ones leaving Bittorrent are the illigal traders. Bittorrent needs these people like a hole in their firewall. Good riddence.

South Korea (0, Redundant)

darkitecture (627408) | more than 8 years ago | (#13435561)


"According to this BBC article, users in South Korea, Italy, Germany and Spain are using BitTorrent less frequently these days, after lawsuits by the movie industry."

In Korea, only old people use eDonkey!

As a spaniard (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 8 years ago | (#13435563)

Our films are still affected by the destape ("uncover"), an outrage of pseudo-erotic films after Francisco Franco's fascist regime. For you to see this fact, everytime you see a spanish film remember there will be a sex scene.

We're not downloading more films not because movie industry threats (if fact, our law permits private copies) but spanish films are always the same crap about harlots, *sexuals, rude and sexual related humor, sexual relationships and everything related with sex. We download less since the government is investing in spanish movies, and they are produced more than ever. Yes, many slashdotters will be fine with this, but believe me, it tires.

Is this news and if so how? (1)

suitepotato (863945) | more than 8 years ago | (#13435564)

I was under the impression that every geek east of the Atlantic Ocean had an instance of aMule/eMule/eDonkey on one machine or another as the biggest collection of pr0n, music, and warez has been availible there forever. That network has been the best and easiest to use since forever and within a few days I can generally find anything I need or want.

Bittorrent has never gotten me anything at any great speed and I get better results using a download accellerator with mirror search for distro downloads. Whole DVD ISOs in an hour not five or six days.

I don't see how this is news unless you're really estranged from the net.

Making money anyway (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 8 years ago | (#13435578)

It was pointed out long ago that these "lawsuits" never get to be tried in court. People are sued for hundreds of thousands of $ and settle for an average of $3000. With about 10,000 lawsuits so far that means about 30 million $ for *AA. Settling out of court must cost less than $3000 per lawsuit, so they are making money from this. That explains why they have no problem suing 12 year old kids, grandmas over 70, etc.

Different purposes... (5, Informative)

EvilNight (11001) | more than 8 years ago | (#13435580)

Use bittorrent for popular, fast downloads. Once the torrent gets old, nobody is seeding anymore, and it dies off. That's when you fire up your preferred eDonkey client and go browsing. Things tend to persist a hell of a lot longer out there. That bullshit about the files being polluted and corrupted is a myth, as well. Since you can preview them instantly as they are downloaded, it's easy to spot the crap files if you manage to find any.

Of course, now you need to be patient. This is where most people fail. It may take you a solid 90 days to download something old or obscure from eDonkey. It is not an instant-gratification network. Just let the sucker run and it'll come down in its own good time. Let the client software worry about it. I've fished out all manner of content from there that was impossible to find on bittorrent, usenet, or IRC. Old Mike Oldfield concerts, a mint copy of Giorgio Moroder's Metropolis, dozens of old TV shows... average time to download something like that is around seven days. The torrents of the old Dr. Who TV series (every single episode, 26 seasons) took nearly three months. It was around 212GB of data, of course.

You may want to make sure your firewall can handle a couple thousand connections. If your p2p experience is always sucking hind tit, that might be the cause of your problems. That little Linksys router isn't capable of doing it. Well, maybe if you put linux on it, but why bother when distros like m0n0wall, ipcop, and smoothwall exist? It helps loads if you prioritize ACK, DNS, and any small packets.

And Gnutella? (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 8 years ago | (#13435583)

Come on people, there are more networks than just BitTorrent and eDonkey!

Don't forget Gnutella, which nowdays really performs very well and is nurtured by various vendor clients so you get to choose the one you like best.

And yes, Gnutella has swarming so there should not be any download speed difference between Gnutella and BitTorrent, provided you have the same amount of sources.

Genie out of the bottle (1)

jurt1235 (834677) | more than 8 years ago | (#13435607)

And the RIAA&friends will never get it back in. Sue eDonkey, and there will be a next nextwork which will be used more.
Anyway: To much work to sue everybody anyway, but it keeps them busy, in view, and gets their budget will get bigger to do their work (ie: Sueing)

copyright bs (1)

El_Muerte_TDS (592157) | more than 8 years ago | (#13435614)

According to CacheLogic, 60% of the traffic on the internet by the end of 2004 was made up of peer-to-peer activity, though it does not have a breakdown of how much of this is copyrighted material.
My guess, all of it, except of what is known to be public domain.
Copyright isn't evil. OSS is copyrighted, just like all those "quality" movies from Hollywood.
Why do they always confuse "copyright" with .. uhm .. something else.

I do prefer emule/edonkey... (1)

MaestroSartori (146297) | more than 8 years ago | (#13435624)

...in terms of speed and file availability, as well as ease of use (built-in client searching which seems to work really well) it's very nice.

However, the bigger servers (Razorback et al) don't always work very well with NAT - behind an ADSL router you can't change the setup of, you may as well not bother. In those cases, Bittorrent works faster because it usually ends up with more valid, reachable seeds/peers.

Don't know if there's good technical reasons for the edonkey servers not allowing people like me on (my old house had a nice person in charge of the router, new house doesn't, so I can't connect to any decent edonkey servers any more), but torrents do nicely, albeit more cumbersome to deal with...

shhhhh!!! (5, Funny)

vettemph (540399) | more than 8 years ago | (#13435650)

Why does slashdot keep letting the cat out of the bag? The first rule of P2P is don't talk about P2P.

My trouble with eDonkey clones (2, Interesting)

bogaboga (793279) | more than 8 years ago | (#13435652)

What I find troubling with the Linux eDonkey clones (aMule, xMule) is that they:

1: Do not offer as many features as their Windows counterparts,

2: Not as stable on Linux as they are on Windows,

3: Are plain ugly and

4: Are damn slow on Linux.

The only software I find a pleasure to look at and also exists for the Windows platform is OpenOffice.org and the GIMP. There are more open source softwares out there but I haven't found them.

eDonkey??? (1)

eno2001 (527078) | more than 8 years ago | (#13435668)

Ummm, hate to break it to you guys but eDonkey is not new. The venerable "Donk" has been around in some fashion for about half a decade. Who thought this was news?

I was addicted to pirated movies (5, Funny)

WormholeFiend (674934) | more than 8 years ago | (#13435703)

I downloaded so many of them, that virtually spent all my time burning them to CDs and DVDs.

Eventually I realized that I had no time left to actually watch any of it, so I deleted all my collection.

Now I have more time, but no movies to watch.
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