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DirectNIC Crisis Manager Braves the Chaos of New Orleans

CowboyNeal posted more than 8 years ago | from the ridin'-the-storm-out dept.

Communications 911

Aleks Clark writes "The Interdictor, a DirectNIC crisis manager, is currently braving the madness of post-Katrina New Orleans. Server rescues, OC4 repairs and live video and audio feeds abound as he and his crew battle the odds with what seems like the entire internet at his back. 1700+ People are tracking his blog, and IRC channels are full to capacity."

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All I gotta say is... (4, Insightful)

Incongruity (70416) | more than 8 years ago | (#13460788)

These guys set the bar for uptime and connectivity... I've been continually impressed. Bravo!

All I gotta say is... (0, Troll)

mediacrat (852879) | more than 8 years ago | (#13460979)

Brave that he stayed in New Orleans despite the rampant black rapists, murderers, and looters, out to get us all.

Re:All I gotta say is... (2, Insightful)

LinuxInDallas (73952) | more than 8 years ago | (#13461084)

I hate to acknowledge such a post but unfortunately after viewing countless news stories and reading many an online article I have to agree.

They are now saying there is rampant lawlessness even inside the shelters. Rapes, beatings, etc. Do they think this will help their plight? Reminds me of the same behaviour that occured after the Rodney King inspired riots in the early nineties.

Re:All I gotta say is... (3, Insightful)

arkanes (521690) | more than 8 years ago | (#13461121)

Its pretty easy to sit in your nice comfy chair with your internet connection and talk about what animals they must be. Now, I'm not condoning whats going on there, but think about it for a minute. There's no food. There's no water. It's hot. People are literally dying of exposure and dehydration on the sidewalks. There's little or no communication with the outside world. They don't know whats going on, if anyone is coming to help them or not. They don't know if theres other priorities elsewhere, or why the water can't get it, and when you're watching your baby die right in front of you, you probably don't really care. I don't condone any of the violence, and I like to think I'd handle it better, but think a little and show a little compassion before you pass judgement.

Directnic DNS moved out of NO (1)

b0r1s (170449) | more than 8 years ago | (#13460791)

They briefly borked DNS (looked like a typo in the IP address), but appears they've got the DNS servers moved outside of the affected area, so if their last internet connection goes down, or they encounter internal problems (power, food, looting, etc), their DNS clients should stay up.

first post (-1, Troll)

Anonymous Coward | more than 8 years ago | (#13460792)

rfis potn!

Seems trivial... (5, Insightful)

TimTheFoolMan (656432) | more than 8 years ago | (#13460793)

...until you realize how many people are using blogs and other internet services as their only means of communication.

Tim

first (-1, Troll)

Anonymous Coward | more than 8 years ago | (#13460798)

Pass the ammo

Ummm (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 8 years ago | (#13460804)

I don't understand what this story is about and the link is down. Damn.

An amazing read (1)

mookie85 (795621) | more than 8 years ago | (#13460805)

It's really quite interesting to see a first hand account of what's going on instead of all the media buzz.

Chaos too harsh a word (2, Funny)

Anonymous Coward | more than 8 years ago | (#13460806)

Let's call it "extreme libertarianism."

Re:Chaos too harsh a word (-1, Flamebait)

BitGeek (19506) | more than 8 years ago | (#13460869)


On the contrary-- this is exactly what you socialists want. The government is in charge, didn't let people get out, has been running around stealing property....

In a libertarian society, there would be massive amounts of aid there. But say you live in Baton Rouge and want to drive a truck down with water and food. Can you? Hell no- the police won't let you in... and if the do, they certainly won't let you sell the food and water. So, less people are doing it.

You socialists want people disarmed and dependant on the state-- and this is what you get.

Congratulations. Thousands dead. You happy?

Re:Chaos too harsh a word (-1, Troll)

Anonymous Coward | more than 8 years ago | (#13460906)

Oh yeah - the guns that everyone has there have only helped matters - I guess the thugs using them to hold em and rape girls and shoot at police and military helicopters were only demonstrating the wisdom of the 2nd ammendment.

yeah, whatever. when the chips are down the people at the bottom demonstrate why they are at the bottom.

Re:Chaos too harsh a word (-1, Troll)

Anonymous Coward | more than 8 years ago | (#13460910)

Damn right!

+1

MOD PARENT DOWN PLEASE (-1, Redundant)

joeldg (518249) | more than 8 years ago | (#13460916)

this is ridiculous troll trying to politicize..

Re:MOD PARENT DOWN PLEASE (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 8 years ago | (#13460992)

yap yap yap. yawn.

I'll say this for the Interdictor. (1)

MAXOMENOS (9802) | more than 8 years ago | (#13460809)

He's a world-class prick, but you can't question the guy's tenacity. It was from him that I learned that USGIs were moving in to the area, and that the French Quarter is now dry.

Re:I'll say this for the Interdictor. (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 8 years ago | (#13460843)

You could have learned that French Quarter is dry by looking at this photo [wikimedia.org]
(it's about 500px from the superdome in the 2 o'clock direction.

Mirror of his blog (-1, Redundant)

Exluddite (851324) | more than 8 years ago | (#13460817)

http://i.tawkr.com/ [tawkr.com] Let's not slashdot the guy, he's got enough to deal with.

Re:Mirror of his blog (4, Informative)

Guspaz (556486) | more than 8 years ago | (#13460862)

His blog is hosted by LiveJournal. I find it highly unlikely that LiveJournal can be slashdotted considering it's enormity. Mirroring LiveJournal seems a bit silly, it is like mirroring slashdot if boingboing were to link to it, it is pointless.

Police doing the looting...Government SNAFU (4, Insightful)

BitGeek (19506) | more than 8 years ago | (#13460818)


It was interesting to see in that blog that what I've heard elsewhere is confirmed: Police are doing much of the looting.

Its unfortunate that government sweeps in during disasters and starts making mandates that make things worse. Like prohibitions against price "gauging". What, they htink things get cheaper when the infrastructure is destroyed?

Gauging actually helps-- it brings in more supply to service that demand, and ultimately prices go down FASTER when the free market is allowed.

Here's an economists take on the issue:
Price Gauging saves lives: http://www.mises.org/story/1593 [mises.org]
And another: http://www.lewrockwell.com/akers/akers16.html [lewrockwell.com]

Re:Police doing the looting...Government SNAFU (0, Flamebait)

BitGeek (19506) | more than 8 years ago | (#13460840)

Here's his quote on the looting:

"Looting: The police are looting. This has been confirmed by several independent sources. Some of the looting might be "legitimate" in as much as that word has any meaning in this context. They have broken into ATMs and safes: confirmed. We have eyewitnesses to this. They have taken dozens of SUVs from dealerships ostensibly for official use. They have also looted gun stores and pawn shops for all the small arms, supposedly to prevent "criminals" from doing so. But who knows their true intentions. We have an inside source in the NOPD who says that command and control is in chaos. He reports that command lapses more than 24 hours between check-ins, and that most of the force are "like deer in the headlights." NOPD already had a reputation for corruption, but I am telling you now that the people we've been talking to say they are not recognizing the NOPD as a legitimate authority anymore, since cops have been seen looting in Walmarts and forcing people out of stores so they could back up SUVs and loot them. Don't shoot the messenger...."

Its very interesting that this disaster is also showing what others have--- those with guns are able to protect their property. The police bugged out and are doing nothing.

Last night on CNN, I saw some storeowner holding a pistol (correctly, unlike the cop they showed in the previous shot, who aimed a shotgun at someone looking at debris) ... and the comentator said "while some are taking the law into their own hands". JESUS. That's not the law, that's called self defense.

Yes, we should all be sheep and depend on the government to protect us--- and what do we get? A world class screwup, every time. Just look at New Orleans.

Hell, the dikes wouldn't have overflowed if the repair money to fix them hadn't been diverted to the dept of homeland "security" last summer.

Re:Police doing the looting...Government SNAFU (5, Informative)

GooberToo (74388) | more than 8 years ago | (#13460985)

"Hell, the dikes wouldn't have overflowed if the repair money to fix them hadn't been diverted to the dept of homeland "security" last summer."

Not true. I guess it makes for a more dramatic story if they leave out the facts. Simple fact is, if the money had not been diverted, the money would of been spent on a project which would still not have been completed and the city would have still be lost. But, telling half truths on the news makes for a much better story. I heard this from an Army Corps of Engineers representative on the news this morning. According to him, even if they had started the project in 2002, the project probably would not have been completed until at least 2008. This is 2005, last I checked, which means the project probably wouldn't of started until about a year ago, which means we would of flushed that money with the rest of the city.

Re:Police doing the looting...Government SNAFU (1)

ScentCone (795499) | more than 8 years ago | (#13461068)

Further more, the dike enhancements the COE were planning (well, hoping for some money to spend on), would not even have involved the areas where the dikes failed. Wouldn't have helped anyway, even if they had started the work and finished it years early (inconceivable).

Re:Police doing the looting...Government SNAFU (5, Interesting)

FireballX301 (766274) | more than 8 years ago | (#13460882)

Except that as far as I know from friends that were able to contact me, the cops are looting stuff like gun shops and food shops. Unlike the other looters that steal money (wtf is the point of money in New Orleans right now, eh), and non-critical supplies.

Also, you described the economic side of price gouging - fair enough. Now, IN THE MEANTIME, whilst the supplies are being shipped in, nobody can pay for their foodstuffs. They die. Congratulations.

Re:Police doing the looting...Government SNAFU (5, Insightful)

Bios_Hakr (68586) | more than 8 years ago | (#13461002)

He's not talking about food. Or maybe he is. In any event, here is an example:

A hurricane comes through. Houses are destroyed. People come in to rebuild knowing that they will get rich. Governor sets a price cap. Builders know that they can go elsewhere and get better profits with less hastle, so they leave.

The people who come into an area to rebuild need an economic incentive. If you want to remove that incentive, fine. But then you have to mandate that people rebuild regardless of their wishes.

Unless you are going to have government contracts to rebuild things, you can't remove free market incentives.

Now, things like food, clothing, tents should be provided, free of charge, by the government. No if's ands or buts. We spend millions to provide MREs to Africa/Asia; spending billions on our own people shouldn't be a problem.

Re:Police doing the looting...Government SNAFU (1, Insightful)

Politburo (640618) | more than 8 years ago | (#13460941)

Its unfortunate that government sweeps in during disasters and starts making mandates that make things worse. Like prohibitions against price "gauging". What, they htink things get cheaper when the infrastructure is destroyed?

Merchandise sitting on shelves (and gas sitting in storage tanks!) does not magically cost the business 3x more. Price gouging is illegal for a good reason.

Gauging actually helps-- it brings in more supply to service that demand, and ultimately prices go down FASTER when the free market is allowed.

When the supply can't reach where the demand is, then what? The free market is not our savior.

You're an idiot... (5, Insightful)

benjamindees (441808) | more than 8 years ago | (#13461033)

Merchandise sitting on shelves (and gas sitting in storage tanks!) does not magically cost the business 3x more.

No, but the merchandise they have to buy to replace that merchandise does.

If a business can't make enough on the merchandise on their shelves to purchase replacements, they go out of business.

Price controls are counter-productive.

Re:Police doing the looting...Government SNAFU (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 8 years ago | (#13461034)

No, but getting any more gasoline WILL MAGICALLY COST THE BUSINESS 3X MORE.

If gas prices don't increase when the supply is constrained, then there's a run on the cheap gas until it's all gone. Then nobody gets gasoline.

If they take a loss on the gasoline and sell it for less than they bought it for, they lose money until they're bankrupt. Then nobody gets gasoline.

The only solution in which anyone gets gasoline is when people like you stop waving your hands about what a utopia it would be if people just did what you think.

Let the adults conduct their business, they know what they're doing.

Re:Gouging, et al (5, Insightful)

keraneuology (760918) | more than 8 years ago | (#13461116)

Merchandise sitting on shelves (and gas sitting in storage tanks!) does not magically cost the business 3x more. Price gouging is illegal for a good reason.

Let's pretend that I own a gas station with a 10,000 gallons of capacity in my underground tanks.

  • Monday morning, purchase 10,000 gallons of regular unleaded at $1/gallon and pay $10,000. I sell gas at $1.25/gallon to cover overhead, driveoffs, and keep about 2 cents/gallon profit.
  • Tuesday sees an earthquake take out one of the only two refineries that supplies my area and my wholesaler announces that because of the shortage he will charge $2.50/gallon starting immediately
  • Check the tanks... I have 8,000 gallons left. A line starts to form because the local news station has announced that there will be a gas shortage and prices will spike.

    Decision time.

    Option one:

    I keep the price of my gas at $1.25 until I run out. I lose no money because that gas is already bought and paid for. At the bottom of my tank I find that I have raked in $12,500 - before paying any other expenses such as insurance, electricity, employee salaries and benefits, taxes and so on. Figuring my two cent/gallon profit I have earned $200 for myself.

    But wait! I now need to replace 10,000 gallons of gas which will now cost me $25,000. Even assuming I had free utilities, labor and overhead my last storage tank fillup would only allow me to buy 5,000 gallons of gas. A couple more price hikes and I'll be out of business and nobody will be able to buy gas from me because I'll be closed.

    Option two:

    I jack the prices up to match what I expect my next delivery will cost so I can keep the tanks full and stay in business. Unfortunately, no matter what I charge I'll never make more than two cents/gallon profit - and that doesn't count all of the people who feel entitled to rip me off because I'm "gouging". Or don't come in and buy my fountain drinks and candy bars which is where 80% of my profits come from.

    Yes, I could refrain from "gouging" but a quick failure of the business is a definite certainty.

    Anti-gouging laws are one of the sillier things ever supplied by pandering politicians to stupid, demanding citizens. During normal times I can charge $15,000 for a generator and nobody will care because they'll go to Home Depot and buy one for $700. I would be in violation of the law but nobody would care because nobody wants to buy generators. But when the disaster strikes and everybody sells out of $700 generators (which are covered with dust because they sat on the shelves for 2 1/2 years because nobody thought that the designation "hurricane zone" actually meant something") and they see my stock of $15,000 generators (covered in dust because in 10 years nobody except the government wanted to buy my generators at a price so far above market) and I would be the greatest villian in the history of mankind, even if I -lowered- my price from $15,000 to $14,000.

    When the supply can't reach where the demand is, then what?

    Then you have a shortage. In times of normalcy 100 people are willing to buy a generator at $700 and everybody who wants one gets one. In time of natural disaster 50,000 people want a generator at $700 and 49,999 people are SOL because the first person in line buys all of them then sells all 100 out of the back of his truck for $2,000 each. Just because the government says that generators are only worth $700 doesn't mean that that is what they will be sold for.

    The free market is not our savior.

    No, but it is what prevents our economy from looking like Cuba (no food is available), Russia (no heating fuel is available) or Canada (9 months of waiting for a mammogram).

Re:Police doing the looting...Government SNAFU (0, Funny)

Anonymous Coward | more than 8 years ago | (#13460953)

Your comments on price "gauging" might carry more weight if you knew how to spell "gouging."

Re:Police doing the looting...Government SNAFU (-1, Flamebait)

Anonymous Coward | more than 8 years ago | (#13461051)

It's gouging. And you'd be surprised at the places where regular unleaded is hitting $6/gal now.

From mises.org: Prices are how scarce goods get allocated in markets in accordance with actual conditions. I guess its a shame we live in a third world country, huh. You'd think that with all of our material wealth, we'd have, well, material. "Scarcity" these days is entirely manufactured. We lose 10% of our refining capacity and prices pass 300%? What happened to the "supply" side of "supply and demand"? Do you actually believe any of the economic laws you pull out your collective asses, or do you just use them when jerking off?

Ever hear of inelastic demand? Not everyone can take the bus to work (wait... mass transit is usually government run... you and your bleeding-pocketbook brethern want to axe that too. I'd like to see a corporation step up to the task in the face of exploding costs). Not everyone can sell their 20 year old, 5 gallons to the mile caddy for enough money to get a top of the line hybrid.

Of course, you don't care, do you? The only lives you care about saving are the ones with the money. Bleeding-pocketbook libertarians like you couldn't care less if some guy with only $10 dies because they couldn't afford a $5 bag of ice at the 300% markup to cool their insulin. You sure as hell wouldn't have offered them a cube. America is one of the least charitable countries in the world, and yet you whine and snivel about your taxes but your kind can't even find it deep in your pocketbook "soul" to earn a writeoff.

Lew Rockwell is even more laughable. Seriously, where were these guys back when corporations bribed their way into government and turned america into a country of sheeple to be their labor? Half a century ago the tide might have been turned and America kept a country of strong-headed independent men and women, but no, now everyone is brought up from childhood to serve the CEO slavedriver, and thats really just how the bleeding-pocketbooks really like it. Except of course, when their choice starts hurting them in their pocketbook. I guess they want it both ways.

Re:Police doing the looting...Government SNAFU (-1, Flamebait)

Anonymous Coward | more than 8 years ago | (#13461066)

Dumbass...first learn to spell "gouging", then maybe we'll look at the rest of your post to consider whether you have anything besides shit between your ears.

Uh oh (1)

Nuclear Elephant (700938) | more than 8 years ago | (#13460823)

1700+ People are tracking his blog

And now many more, so when you get it all back up and running, prepare for a Slashdotting.

Re:Uh oh (1)

CalcMan (179244) | more than 8 years ago | (#13460848)

He's got his blog on livejournal, which is not in the effected area, besides LJ is likely not to be affected by a slashdotting.

Re:Uh oh (1)

Guspaz (556486) | more than 8 years ago | (#13460957)

That figure is misleading; 1700 people might be tracking his blog, but that only includes LiveJournal users that have set LiveJournal to track it for them.

The figure of 1700 ignores all the people who have LiveJournal who aren't tracking (just refreshing), and the many times more people who don't even have LiveJournal accounts.

What exactly is he doing? (1)

RGTAsheron (844946) | more than 8 years ago | (#13460824)

I read through the blog and can't tell exactly what he is doing. If it is trying to restore internet access, provide a shelter/forward post for police or what. Could someone please clarify what all he and the team are doing?

took you long enough (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 8 years ago | (#13460829)

people in the IRC channels have been wondering how long it'd take this to get slashdotted

Brilliant! They keep the servers up ... (5, Funny)

rahlquist (558509) | more than 8 years ago | (#13460831)

They keep em up through a hurricane, flooding, riots and the /. editors decide to take the servers down themselves...

Re:Brilliant! They keep the servers up ... (2, Informative)

pdawson (89236) | more than 8 years ago | (#13460951)

They keep em up through a hurricane, flooding, riots and the /. editors decide to take the servers down themselves...


The blog is a LiveJournal account, LJ's weathered several slashdotings before without problems.

Data Link Source (3, Interesting)

Nerd Systems (912027) | more than 8 years ago | (#13460837)

Just curious, where is the power for his net connection coming from? He has an OC4 up and running... yet nobody else has phone service or internet service... I understand he has generator power... what I do not understand is what is powering the data lines running to his location... are they all on major generators also?

Re:Data Link Source (1)

Lotek (29809) | more than 8 years ago | (#13460940)

He's got fiber to his cabinet, I think.

Re:Data Link Source (4, Interesting)

Nerd Systems (912027) | more than 8 years ago | (#13460965)

Well, I can understand having fiber to his location... yet fiber still needs a repeater every so often, to keep the signal going... I wonder where his connection is coming from, that his fiber or whatever he is using, still has power, when everything else in the surrounding area is down at this time. I would call this a SUPERB datacenter, able to withstand a Category Hurricane, Flooding, Lawlessness, and everything else, and still keeps going. Donny, if you are reading this, please give us a background of your data center setup, such as connection types and what not.

Re:Data Link Source (1)

einhverfr (238914) | more than 8 years ago | (#13461028)

Technically you don't need a repeater, but you do need some powered way to boost the signal. Many of the undersea cables (and I assume that many of the line-based ones too) use something called erbium doped light amplifier. It doens't act as a repeater per se, but actually boosts the laser signal inline. It is far more efficient than a repeater, but they still need power.

These could be provided via parallel electric circuits though and powered from the datacenter.

What I want to know is what they are going to do in three weeks when they run out of generator fuel.....

Re:Data Link Source (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 8 years ago | (#13460970)

"what I do not understand is what is powering the data lines running to his location... are they all on major generators also?"

Possibly, but maybe he has a long feed of fiber coming into this place from a point really far away? You can go a long distance with light without having to amp it.

Re:Data Link Source (3, Informative)

arootbeer (808234) | more than 8 years ago | (#13460974)

He's got at least a couple of OC3s coming from Bell South(?) It's listed farther down in today's entries.

Re:Data Link Source (1)

Guspaz (556486) | more than 8 years ago | (#13460978)

They mentioned that their connections have gone down one by one until there is only one left. Presumably they are getting connectivity from whatever ISP that had employees that decided to tough it out, or perhaps the ISP's PoP is just running on battery or generators on autopilot.

Re:Data Link Source (1)

Bios_Hakr (68586) | more than 8 years ago | (#13461026)

And WTF is an "OC-4"? I know it's possible to buy these things in STS-1 increments, but they usually come in multiples of 3.

OC-3, OC-9, OC-12, OC-48...

Re:Data Link Source (1)

twiddlingbits (707452) | more than 8 years ago | (#13461090)

Very good point, either it's and OC-48 or he doesn't know WTF he is talking about. Based on intel from a friend whose brother is in charge of all the telco infrastructure in lower MS and says it is all toast (La can't be better) I'd just about claim BS on this whole thing but I suppose it just might be true. It's also possible that someone has mirrored a lot of the customer sites at another data center and you just think you are hitting an IP address in the affected areas when in fact the IP has been redirected to Hong Kong or California. I'll have to go read the blog and see if there are any clues to this being BS.

Re:Data Link Source (5, Informative)

thogard (43403) | more than 8 years ago | (#13461032)

The OC4 will be fiber all the way to a major exchange building and most of that sort of stuff is way up top. If its a typical telco, they have lots of batteries for the OC4 gear because they tend to build battery packs as if they were for the exchange gear which takes far more power. The result is there is a very expensive fiber switch thats has a direct fiber connection from very far away (maybe as far Dallas or Atlanta) and it has power. The risk to that type of connection is that sometimes the water will cause noise in the fiber splices or the generator will die or someone will break the upstream link while trying to fix something far away.

If only the federal, state, and local governments (4, Insightful)

Petrox (525639) | more than 8 years ago | (#13460838)

...were so diligent. Seriously, the madness and 'Lord of the Flies' atmosphere that has taken place in my home city of New Orleans with no food, no water, no communication, and no signs of help are heartbreaking and a true tragedy. The loss is immense and our government has failed us--this is the United States and we needed to do better for our own.

Re:If only the federal, state, and local governmen (0, Flamebait)

Anonymous Coward | more than 8 years ago | (#13460866)

this is the United States and we needed to do better for our own.

Don't worry, even as we speak, the Republicans are signing checks to all the major companies that were hurt by the storm... oh, you meant "our own" as in the human beings. Well, I hear bush is on his way for a photo-op or two.

Re:If only the federal, state, and local governmen (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 8 years ago | (#13461117)

Don't worry, even as we speak, the Democrats are throwing blame around and continuing with their asinine partisan politics even during a time of crisis... oh, you meant "our own" as in the human beings. Well, I hear Gore is on his way to preach the gospel of socialism.

Re:If only the federal, state, and local governmen (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 8 years ago | (#13460913)

Seriously, the madness and 'Lord of the Flies' atmosphere that has taken place in my home city of New Orleans with no food, no water, no communication, and no signs of help are heartbreaking and a true tragedy.
 
I must be the only one truly enjoying this whole SHTF episode. The complete destruction of a city, thousands dead, the remaining population turned into a terrorizing bunch of savages, a government scrambling to maintain order, the rest of country panicking over energy shortages ... I am truly in heaven :-) I can only hope another such gift from Mother Nature in the next couple of weeks.

(yeah, I have a sick mind ... but many of you out there think the same way)

Re:If only the federal, state, and local governmen (1)

Straker Skunk (16970) | more than 8 years ago | (#13460943)

(yeah, I have a sick mind ... but many of you out there think the same way)

Too bad the lot of you aren't in New Orleans right now. I'm sure you'd be having the time of your lives.

I am waiting for... (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 8 years ago | (#13460968)

I am waiting for the "war on mother nature" to begin, after all, she attacked us on the homeland!

Re:If only the federal, state, and local governmen (1, Insightful)

Anonymous Coward | more than 8 years ago | (#13461030)

I'm pretty sick of this "somebody do something" nonsense. The government has "failed you?" What the fuck should the government have done? And bear in mind before you answer that I'm expecting you to have at least a basic working knowledge of the Constitution of the United States and a grasp of the principles of federalism before you say something stupid like "Bush should have built bigger levies."

Wanna be mad at somebody? Be mad at God for sending the monster hurricane in the first place. Being mad at this nebulous thing called "the government" because it didn't do, I don't know, something is just plain stupid.

Re:If only the federal, state, and local governmen (2, Insightful)

Petrox (525639) | more than 8 years ago | (#13461055)

why was the evacuation order given only 24 hours in advance? why aren't there airlifts of food and water to people literally starving and dying of thirst? why did Bush wait two days to curtail his cozy vacation to respond to the crisis? why weren't buses used before the storm to bus out those without cars, the elderly, and the sick? why are the police looting and deserting their posts?

government has a role and a government that can't protect its citizens on basic issues of physical security and competence in the face of disaster is a government that doesn't deserve the consent of the governed.

Re:If only the federal, state, and local governmen (1)

GoofyBoy (44399) | more than 8 years ago | (#13461096)

>The government has "failed you?" What the fuck should the government have done?

Pretty simple. The government is to protect and serve the tax-payers/voters.

Its 4 days after the hurricane and there are a whole bunch of tax-payers/voters down south who need help.

I'm not exactly sure how the different levels of government didn't fail these people.

Re:If only the federal, state, and local governmen (2, Informative)

EzInKy (115248) | more than 8 years ago | (#13461107)

They failed even before it happened [mediainfo.com] :

"..In early 2004, as the cost of the conflict in Iraq soared, President Bush proposed spending less than 20 percent of what the Corps said was needed for Lake Pontchartrain, according to a Feb. 16, 2004, article, in New Orleans CityBusiness.

On June 8, 2004, Walter Maestri, emergency management chief for Jefferson Parish, Louisiana; told the Times-Picayune: "It appears that the money has been moved in the president's budget to handle homeland security and the war in Iraq, and I suppose that's the price we pay. Nobody locally is happy that the levees can't be finished, and we are doing everything we can to make the case that this is a security issue for us."

Also that June, with the 2004 hurricane season starting, the Corps' project manager Al Naomi went before a local agency, the East Jefferson Levee Authority, and essentially begged for $2 million for urgent work that Washington was now unable to pay for. ..."


Guess it's okay though, people still have those tax cuts he gave them.

we are busy.. (5, Informative)

joeldg (518249) | more than 8 years ago | (#13460847)

as a directnic employee working remotely from Manhattan I have been working round the clock to aid these guys any way I can.
we are on freenode in #interdictor

we have had a lot of support, thank you guys.

as far as directnic employees, we have made contact with most, we are still missing our entire accounting/HR department and many of our support people are MIA, we can only assume they got out.

as a company, the majority of our employees are currently homeless and are regrouping in Florida currently.

They are pretty hardcore there, not sure they can even get out now..

Re:we are busy.. (1)

thogard (43403) | more than 8 years ago | (#13460963)

They want to pay their employees but they can't find the people with the right info. I've seen that before after much smaller disasters and its a key point of disaster recovery.

Having the entire HR and Accounting dept going missing isn't unusual in disaster situations They just don't seem to understand that very rarely their job isn't going be 9 to 5.

If it was my company I would say that the entire departments bonuses will go to the 1st and only the 1st people from one of those two departments that person that provides the needed info 1st.

Remember, Interdictor (2, Funny)

Lothar+0 (444996) | more than 8 years ago | (#13460859)

If anyone enters, looks threatening and asks, just reply, "MASTER BLASTER RUNS BARTERTOWN!" Works like a charm.

DONATE (5, Informative)

Anonymous Coward | more than 8 years ago | (#13460863)

Red Cross: 1-800-HELP-NOW or www.redcross.org [redcross.org]

AmeriCares:americares.org [americares.org]

RoommateClick.com [rc-katrina.com]
Site offering a service for the New Orleans homeless, free of charge.

Baton Rouge Area Foundation(BRAF): 877.387.6126 or braf.org [braf.org]

Episcopal Relief & Development: 1-800-334-7626 or www.er-d.org [er-d.org]

United Methodist Committee on Relief: 1-800-554-8583 or gbgm-umc.org/umcor/emergency/hurricanes/2005 [gbgm-umc.org]

Salvation Army: 1-800-SAL-ARMY or www.salvationarmyusa.org [salvationarmyusa.org]

Catholic Charities: 1-800-919-9338 or www.catholiccharitiesusa.org [catholiccharitiesusa.org]

FEMA Charity tips: www.fema.gov/rrr/help2.shtm [fema.gov]

National Voluntary Organizations Active in Disaster: www.nvoad.org [nvoad.org]

Louisiana Society for the Prevention of Cruelty to Animals: www.la-spca.org [la-spca.org]

Operation Blessing: 1-800-436-6348 or www.ob.org [ob.org]

America's Second Harvest: 1-800-344-8070 or www.secondharvest.org [secondharvest.org]

Adventist Community Services: 1-800-381-7171 or www.adventist.communityservices.org [communityservices.org]

Christian Disaster Response: 1-941-956-5183 or 1-941-551-9554 or www.cdresponse.org/cdrhome.html [cdresponse.org]

Christian Reformed World Relief Committee: 1-800-848-5818 or www.crwrc.org [crwrc.org]

Church World Service: 1-800-297-1516 or www.churchworldservice.org [churchworldservice.org]

Convoy of Hope: 1-417-823-8998 or www.convoyofhope.org [convoyofhope.org]

Lutheran Disaster Response: 1-800-638-3522 or www.elca.org/disaster [elca.org]

Mennonite Disaster Service: 1-717-859-2210 or www.mds.mennonite.net [mennonite.net]

Nazarene Disaster Response: 1-888-256-5886 or www.nazarenedisasterresponse.org [nazarenedi...sponse.org]

Presbyterian Disaster Assistance: 1-800-872-3283 or www.pcusa.org/pda [pcusa.org]

Southern Baptist Convention - Disaster Relief: 1-800-462-8657, ext. 6440 or www.namb.net [namb.net]

Re:DONATE (1)

slaker (53818) | more than 8 years ago | (#13460933)

Why not just stop at the United Way or Red Cross? Why even list the rest?

I see a whole bunch of Churches on your list and frankly I can't trust that any of them would do anything terribly useful under the circumstances.

'Cause, you know, if I gave $100 to the "Southen Baptist Convention" or "Operation Blessing", I strongly suspect that money would end up building some new mega-Church or making one of Reverend LePew's boat payments.

One of the really shitty things about disasters is the sheer number of unctious bastards that come out shaking a cup. Everything I've read about these things is that a lot of the time, your whole donation goes to "Administrative Costs". Keep that in mind when you open your wallet.

Re:DONATE (1, Interesting)

Anonymous Coward | more than 8 years ago | (#13461059)

Ok, I don't know about the other church groups, but I know that the ELCA (Evengelical Lutheran Church of America) has *A LOT* lower administrative costs than the formal charities. Remember Live Aid(1)? ELCA had something like 5 cents per doller "administrative costs" for monies to Africa, while that RACKET had something like 75 cents per doller. I personally gave to both the Red Cross *AND* the Lutheran Church. And I'm not really all the religious.

Re:DONATE (1)

thogard (43403) | more than 8 years ago | (#13461069)

The red cross and united way donations are far more likely to end up making a boat payment than most of the others.

IRC chat with them (1)

jon787 (512497) | more than 8 years ago | (#13460865)

irc.freenode.net channel #interdictor
We also have #interdictor-chat for random chat about it and #interdictor-scanner for radio transcripts from the scanners

Blogs TV (1)

Gray (5042) | more than 8 years ago | (#13460884)

I was lucky enough to find this blog last night, the prospective on this tragedy is gripping. TV's lowest common denominator coverage just can't compare.

Just remember (5, Insightful)

mnemonic_ (164550) | more than 8 years ago | (#13460890)

Your worst team meeting, software development project or vacation gone wrong is 1/1,000,000 as complex as what the relief personnel are handling. You may have been thwarted by snow on the road, delayed flights, crashing computers, lost data, wrong cellphone numbers or ill coworkers; these guys are dealing with non-existant roads, riots, gun shots, power loss and starvation. This is spread across 50,000 square miles of cities turned lakes. None of us can possibly fathom the details evacuating 60,000 people must be, tending to their transportation and health through an almost literal warzone.

We may know it's complex, but unless we're intimitely involved we cannot accurately critique the relief efforts. It'd be comparable to Brian Williams analyzing the Linux kernel structure, or attempting to explain fighter tactics. Without first-hand knowledge, opinions on sophisticated matters are worthless. As slashdotters who regularly tear apart the mass media on technical inaccuracies, we all should know this well

IRC is NOT FULL (5, Informative)

The Kow (184414) | more than 8 years ago | (#13460900)

We are NOT full to capacity, please feel free to participate.

irc.freenode.net #interdictor

There are several sub-channels, such as #interdictor-chat for discussion/dialogue, #interdictor-scanner for a transcript of the radio scanner, etc.

We are also trying to track any news and information we can find to provide a summarized glimpse of the events as they happen. We're avoiding things that are already available through major news outlets, but any first-hand accounts, independent news sources, eye-witness information, international news, etc. (anything you couldn't find through, say, Fox News or MSNBC), please don't hesitate to help out.

Re:IRC is NOT FULL (1)

Nite_Hawk (1304) | more than 8 years ago | (#13460936)

Please mod the parent up. We'd like to get all the information we can.

Thanks,
Nite_Hawk

And another thing..... (0, Offtopic)

wilsonics (833062) | more than 8 years ago | (#13460901)

Maybe after all these problems are cleaned up, which i'm sure will take a lot of time/money/integrity, can you add IPv6 DNS records to your DirectDNS service? I'm sure it's not too hard, being BIND 8.3+ & 9+ are fully compatible from the get-go. Plus, another thing, thanks for the site's interface update, it looks great ;)

Sorry I'm a bit off topic.

Take care, hope you get everything cleaned up soon.

/A *happy* DirectNIC user for 3+ years now.

Re-unification site (4, Interesting)

EMIce (30092) | more than 8 years ago | (#13460909)

How about some slashdotters set up a database driven site where people can register to be found and find others? They could list their employer, address, any significant information. I don't have the resources to do this but would be glad to help in throwing together some php and sql if given some server space.

Re:Re-unification site (3, Informative)

learn fast (824724) | more than 8 years ago | (#13461000)

We could call this site craigslist [craigslist.org]

and more [craigslist.org] .

great place to offer what you can

Re:Re-unification site (1)

EMIce (30092) | more than 8 years ago | (#13461049)

It's a mess, craigslist wasn't really designed for this. You should be able to register yourself and your family, and others searching for you should be able to receive updates on matches as more people register.

This would be far simpler to use and more useful than craigslist. All one would need is a former address, employer, or family name. More criteria could be added later.

I bet those who are worried about their friends and family would be pretty happy to have this.

Re:Re-unification site (1)

ntsucks (22132) | more than 8 years ago | (#13461101)

Do people really think such a site would be of significant value? Basically a site dedicated to matching missing or found with those looking. I this gets mod'ed up I will try to pull something together.

Feed of a news station (1)

cos(0) (455098) | more than 8 years ago | (#13460912)

I've temporarily put up an audio stream of MSNBC: put http://qnan.org:8000/katrina.ogg [qnan.org] into your media player. Please don't abuse it, as there is a max. listener limit.

Soooo (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 8 years ago | (#13460917)

At the top of the blog, there is a link to some webcam. I tune in and you know what I see? Them playing on a Segway! Yeah, real hard work, you guys!

It's also extremely choppy.

Re:Soooo (1)

netsharc (195805) | more than 8 years ago | (#13461025)

Well, they did have some excitement getting diesel this morning, and they're guarding the place in shifts -- no idea how many are actually there, he wrote 5 people in an earlier post, but later on he said he can't disclose that information.

I suppose there's not a lot to do the rest of the time, I wonder if he's not just going to get bored to death, 4 days is okay, but he'll probably have to stay there for 4 weeks at least. Luckily his girlfriend's there.

Priase This (1)

mim (535591) | more than 8 years ago | (#13460923)

Any effort towards communications in this devestated area that has been disregarded by our supposed "government," (for which we all pay taxes) should be praised. Hats off, and may releif come sooner than yesterday.

Bodies Float -- Bush Smiling, Playing Guitar (5, Insightful)

Helpadingoatemybaby (629248) | more than 8 years ago | (#13460937)

Here is what Bush did right after his grave speech about how difficult this time would be. This was just yesterday when people were dying. You can see the Presidential Seal on the guitar he's smiling and playing, which apparently was supplied by the US Department of Irony:

http://americablog.blogspot.com/uploaded_images/gu itar-710427.jpg [blogspot.com]

Pictures of bodies floating by are currently on the front page of the New York Times.

I posted the following quote on the previous article, with no conclusions, but it was modded down by people who dislike facts they disagree with. Additionally there's more information now and I am posting a link to the original article from editor and publisher:

"It appears that the money has been moved in the president's budget to handle homeland security and the war in Iraq, and I suppose that's the price we pay. Nobody locally is happy that the levees can't be finished, and we are doing everything we can to make the case that this is a security issue for us." June 8, 2004, Walter Maestri, emergency management chief for Jefferson Parish, Louisiana, in the Times-Picayune

http://www.editorandpublisher.com/eandp/news/artic le_display.jsp?vnu_content_id=1001051313 [editorandpublisher.com] The above article also details what cuts were done by Bush to the SELA grants (for levees in New Orleans), which, by the way, were started and funded in 1995.

Additionally it appears that Louisiana should have been "high on the list of FEMA's biggest disaster mitigation grant program" but received nothing. Here's the article that states this: http://www.bestofneworleans.com/dispatch/2004-09-2 8/cover_story2.html [bestofneworleans.com] Now, as before, mod this post into oblivion so that you don't have to see Bush smiling and playing the guitar yesterday while bodies float around. I'm not sure what disgusts me more -- him doing that, or people closing their eyes to truth.

Re:Bodies Float -- Bush Smiling, Playing Guitar (1)

Politburo (640618) | more than 8 years ago | (#13460961)

I hate Bush as much as anyone.. but to be fair I believe the guit-ar incident occurred on Tuesday.

Re:Bodies Float -- Bush Smiling, Playing Guitar (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 8 years ago | (#13460994)

People were dying on Tuesday. That was when he should have been, oh I don't know, working.

Re:Bodies Float -- Bush Smiling, Playing Guitar (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 8 years ago | (#13461105)

That was when he should have been, oh I don't know, working.

Don't worry, he's already outsourced the job to his octogenarian dad and his heart-patient predecessor.

Re:Bodies Float -- Bush Smiling, Playing Guitar (1)

Suicyco (88284) | more than 8 years ago | (#13461037)

Who cares, what is your point? That we should not re-elect him? Whatever. IS it any suprise that "insert president name here" is evil? Like we have to be told that.

Stupid fucking sheeple of the US. Now go bomb some more brown people.

Re:Bodies Float -- Bush Smiling, Playing Guitar (1)

feNIX77 (512228) | more than 8 years ago | (#13461079)

Yes - all US presidents are evil...give me a break. The US does more to help others than any other country out there. Alot of people may disagree with Bush, including me - but to to charactarize the US people as sheepish or evil is just plain ignorant. I would love to see where the world was if we were isolationist - it wouldnt be good. Wake up.

Re:Bodies Float -- Bush Smiling, Playing Guitar (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 8 years ago | (#13461067)

In early 2001, the Federal Emergency Management Agency issued a report stating that a hurricane striking New Orleans was one of the three most likely disasters in the U.S., including a terrorist attack on New York City. But by 2003 the federal funding for the flood control project essentially dried up as it was drained into the Iraq war. In 2004, the Bush administration cut funding requested by the New Orleans district of the U.S. Army Corps of Engineers for holding back the waters of Lake Pontchartrain by more than 80 percent.

Wow... (1, Informative)

Anonymous Coward | more than 8 years ago | (#13461053)

It really took slashdot long enough to latch onto this story. I was aware of this blog before the storm even hit, and it only continued to grow rapidly in popularity from there on in. I guess slashdot must be in league with FEMA as far as response time goes.

Is anyone else here concerned... (5, Insightful)

Anonymous Coward | more than 8 years ago | (#13461062)

About the fact that this was a relatively minor disaster that was experienced and this was how an entire country, the (arguably) richest in the world both in terms of economy and innovation was able to deal with it?

What if we had a larger disaster on our hands such as price/rarity of gas skyrocketing to the point where farmed goods can no longer be delivered in quantity to major metropolitain areas?

As far as the crime situation goes, I can "understand" the looting and mugging, but why the raping? What racial/moral justification is there for that?

I dropped my donation off at the Red Cross for a lack of anything better to do in order to help. My respect goes out to the people risking their ass to get aid to that place.

Maybe I sound tin foil hattish but prior to this hurricane footage, all i was really expecting to see post-hurricane was generic flood photos and cheesy clips of people grabbing TVs from shop windows, not stories of cops siphoning gas from cars for their patrol vehicles and stealing ammo from stores before other people do while "rape gangs" walk around.

Truly a sad day for the human race. Maybe we'll look back on how *we* behaved when we look at other countries and remark about how "uncivilized" they are in the future.

MEANWHILE, BACK AT THE ICANN HEADQUARTERS (1)

loggia (309962) | more than 8 years ago | (#13461071)

VOICE OF NARRATOR FROM SUPERFRIENDS

MEANWHILE, BACK AT ICANN HEADQUARTERS, THE ICANN STAFF DELIBERATES

MAN

When are we going to plan our next trip to an exotic city for another meeting?

WOMAN

Why does it have to be a exotic city? Can't it be an exotic village?

MAN

That's a good question. We should research this.

Not to make light of the situation but . . (1)

code shady (637051) | more than 8 years ago | (#13461093)

"The Interdictor" may just be the best job title in the history of time.

Crisis Management (-1, Flamebait)

Anonymous Coward | more than 8 years ago | (#13461110)

Hundreds dead. Thousands homeless, food is scarce, the situation is turning chaotic...

but at least the people have access to internet porn

Something Awful servers in the same building... (1)

r2tincan (893666) | more than 8 years ago | (#13461115)

Those of us who are members of the SomethingAwful.com forums have been following this blog for more than a day now because our servers are in the same building, I think the floor under the DirectNIC ones.

We have a hurricane information channel going on zirc in #hurricane. This guy has pretty much been our hero.

Except our servers are down, now. :(

WTF, People! (-1, Flamebait)

cjsnell (5825) | more than 8 years ago | (#13461118)


Seriously, why is everybody so interested in some geek hanging out in an office (that looks fairly clean and lit), while there are people dying like flies all around him? Why is this guy wasting diesel fuel to run his OC3s? How about surrendering his fuel and office to the government/military/Red Cross so that someone can utilize these resources to save lives?

God, I hate bloggers.
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