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Fuddruckers Called Out on Hotlinking

Zonk posted more than 9 years ago | from the good-burgers-bad-move dept.

The Internet 668

naught writes "Fuddruckers, a hamburger chain, hotlinked to a flash game developer's Burgertime clone on their 'Fuddrockers' page. When the developer noticed an abnormal amount of traffic coming from their website, he decided to let the company know how he felt -- and maybe teach them about hotlinking.." From the post: "So, I redirected everything coming from Fuddruckers.com. (learned all about .htaccess files also... neat!) Wrote a nice little message pointing out how incredibly stupid their web developer is. And then redirected the main page to a pleasant little website showing photographs of slaughterhouses. And also opened up some more popups, for those that don't have popup blockers."

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Hotlink THIS (1, Interesting)

Nerd Systems (912027) | more than 9 years ago | (#13468878)

This is amazing, a major company such as Fuddruckers, with countless hits per day, linking like this to a site, without even notifying the site to verify if they have the bandwidth available, much less if the permission is there for them to use this site in the manner they are using it, to pretty much increase traffic to their site. Fuddrucker's site is currently off-line as we speak, so am assuming that they caught this effort to stop the hotlinking, and are currently redesigning their website, looking for someone else's nice work to steal while they are at it I presume. And to think, I almost went to Fuddruckers today to have a bite to eat with my fiance... here I am almost contributing to their ongoing misuse of net resources... shame on me... I better double check my site, to make sure that nobody out there hotlinks to it... don't want to see my bandwidth eaten up like this... At least my fiance's website, http://www.entertainmentwatch.com/ [entertainmentwatch.com] is set up so that you have to register to enjoy all the games... yet she actually has some pretty fun games. Battleships, Pacman, Tetris, and more... but she has them hosted on her server at least, so not using up precious bandwidth. Fuddruckers, take notice of this practice... such a hard concept... of downloading the game and HOSTING IT YOURSELF... versus stealing other's bandwidth... I wonder if in a court of law, that Fuddruckers could be sued to reclaim all that lost bandwidth that was used by this hotlinking campaign of theirs... Oh well, just my two cents on the matter :)

Re:Hotlink THIS (-1, Offtopic)

Nerd Systems (912027) | more than 9 years ago | (#13468893)

Wow, first post... I feel totally special... *Bows to the audience* Everyone, enjoy the free games on my fiance's site... unlike Fuddruckers, she isn't being a bandwith whore... :)

What Will Gandhi Eat Now? (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 9 years ago | (#13468902)



No Seriously... What will Gandhi Eat?

Re:What Will Gandhi Eat Now? (1)

Nerd Systems (912027) | more than 9 years ago | (#13468938)

Gandhi can eat some nice curry chicken...

Re:Hotlink THIS (-1, Offtopic)

Nerd Systems (912027) | more than 9 years ago | (#13468918)

I suggest the 1 pounder... Huge monster... Very enjoyable... Need a wheelchair to get out of the place...

Steal the bandwidth, or steal the work? (5, Interesting)

tepples (727027) | more than 9 years ago | (#13468922)

Fuddruckers, take notice of this practice... such a hard concept... of downloading the game and HOSTING IT YOURSELF... versus stealing other's bandwidth...

Under some theories of netiquette, linking to an HTML page that references a Flash file is more polite than copying the Flash file to your own server because the former is normal use of the World Wide Web and the latter is copyright infringement. To put it into RIAA terms, "stealing" bandwidth is preferable to "stealing" a work of authorship.

Re:Steal the bandwidth, or steal the work? (2, Informative)

Nerd Systems (912027) | more than 9 years ago | (#13468929)

If the site you retrieve the game from, offers it freely in the form of a Mambo Component, that is placed on your website, and every time someone plays that game on your site, one of the first things they see is the website that brought them the game.... not a thing wrong with that... Stealing? Nope... Free advertising for the site giving it away free? YEP

Re:Steal the bandwidth, or steal the work? (1)

ELProphet (909179) | more than 9 years ago | (#13468999)

Obviously, Fuddruckers doesn't have much bandwidth to begin with as their website is the one that's been gotten the /.

Re: Sounds like slashdot, no? (3, Funny)

vettemph (540399) | more than 9 years ago | (#13468981)

a major company such as [who ever], with countless hits per day, linking like this to a site, without even notifying the site to verify if they have the bandwidth available,

The fuddrucker effect?

haha (-1, Offtopic)

Anonymous Coward | more than 9 years ago | (#13468882)

hahaha! nice... first

Re:haha (0, Redundant)

Nerd Systems (912027) | more than 9 years ago | (#13468904)

Sorry to say, but beat you by a minute :)

Re:haha (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 9 years ago | (#13469034)

No need to gloat about it. Slashdot doesn't need another garcia.

YUO FAIL IT! would have sufficed.

Obviously he wasn't a Slashdotter... (3, Funny)

Alioth (221270) | more than 9 years ago | (#13468884)

Obviously this guy wasn't a Slashdotter, or he'd have linked to our favorite image... the Goatse Guy!

Re:Obviously he wasn't a Slashdotter... (1)

benna (614220) | more than 9 years ago | (#13468900)

He said he considered it, but decided not to since the fuddruckers page was supposedly for kids.

Re:Obviously he wasn't a Slashdotter... (0, Troll)

Meest (714734) | more than 9 years ago | (#13468903)

I actualy think its more entertaining to see peoples reaction when telling them to go to Lemonparty.org

to me its burns the eye's more.....

Re:Obviously he wasn't a Slashdotter... (1)

Captain Numerica (851861) | more than 9 years ago | (#13469001)

... you bastard. my eyes.... my eyes...

Re:Obviously he wasn't a Slashdotter... (1)

ECramer (905950) | more than 9 years ago | (#13469013)

When someone hotlinked to an avatar on my personal site, I did just that. I have to admit though, I kind-of felt guilty after I found out it was a kid. (I probably scarred them for life)

hohoho (-1)

Anonymous Coward | more than 9 years ago | (#13468885)

More livejournal posts making the front-page of slashdot. Viva le crapulence!!!

Slashdot is beyond sane, beyond insane now unsane!

Owned (1)

Kawahee (901497) | more than 9 years ago | (#13468887)

Owned. Nonetheless I'm glad to see that dolts are getting what they deserve.

Re:Owned (2, Interesting)

CountBrass (590228) | more than 9 years ago | (#13468953)

OK so maybe I'm being thick but let me see:
  1. Setup flash game on the web for people to use.
  2. Someone sends you lots of users.
  3. Get upset people are using said flash game you put up for people to use.
  4. Profit?!?

Re:Owned (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 9 years ago | (#13469004)

you forgot

0. Copy someone else's work.

What am I missing? (5, Insightful)

coupland (160334) | more than 9 years ago | (#13468888)

Wait a minute... So someone is punishing another person for using a hotlink on the web? Someone has spent too much time sniffing the corporate glue of "we own everything!". The web is *about* linking, and open data structures, and access to information. How does information suddenly become inviolate if it's not splashed with corporate logos? If you don't want it to be seen by the world, don't publish it to the world...

Re:What am I missing? (5, Insightful)

PipOC (886408) | more than 9 years ago | (#13468905)

Fuddruckers did this without so much as giving credit to the author, let alone using their own bandwidth to host it. They passed it off as their own material.

Re:What am I missing? (1)

coupland (160334) | more than 9 years ago | (#13468930)

So if I host a file on my FTP site, and someone links to it without the customary "We love you" that makes it wrong? If you don't want it accessible to the world, don't host it to the world.

Re:What am I missing? (1)

BlueCup (753410) | more than 9 years ago | (#13468978)

Errr... if I put up a file, for me and my friends, and Yahoo decides to put it up on their front page, (without permission or credit) then I'm out (depending on the size of the file) several thousand dollars. (Due to hosting costs) this is wrong. Now had Yahoo E-mailed me, and asked my permission, and I gave it, it wouldn't be wrong. Also, if Yahoo took a creation of mine, and tried to pass it off as their own, that would be wrong.... I'm not really seeing how you can be confused on this issue... I'd guess you were a troll, but your past posts don't seem to suggest it.

Re:What am I missing? (3, Insightful)

iCEBaLM (34905) | more than 9 years ago | (#13469002)

Errr... if I put up a file, for me and my friends, and Yahoo decides to put it up on their front page, (without permission or credit) then I'm out (depending on the size of the file) several thousand dollars. (Due to hosting costs) this is wrong.

The only thing wrong about it is you failing to use technical means to keep this file private for only you and your friends via password or some such, as well as negotiating a poor hosting contract with your provider which would make you liable for something of this magnatude.

You gamble that a file you post will not be downloaded much, but it's only a gamble. If you put something out there for public consumption and the public consumes it then it is not the publics fault for doing so for how is the public to know what contract you have with your hosting provider? How is the public to know you will be harmed if the public accesses resources you explicitly provide to the public? It's rediculous.

The whole idea of "bandwidth theft" is a fallacy on its face.

Re:What am I missing? (3, Insightful)

noisymime (816237) | more than 9 years ago | (#13469043)

this guy didn't fail to use technical means, its just that his technical means was redirecting to another (public, freely accessible etc) website.

Re:What am I missing? (1)

petard (117521) | more than 9 years ago | (#13469012)

Um... if what you say is true (you'd be out thousands of dollars if you got linked from a busy site), you've chosen a bad webhost. From my webhost (not linked here) a serious slashdotting usually costa about $10. And best of all, if whatever amount I've chosen is exceeded, they just shut the site off rather than charging me.

(I still think what Fuddruckers did is wrong, but not for the reason you give.)

Re:What am I missing? (5, Insightful)

iCEBaLM (34905) | more than 9 years ago | (#13468986)

The credit to the author is in the titlescreen of the game, even his own URL. Why duplicate work?

If you don't want people accessing resources you make publicly available on the public internet then don't make them publicly available.

Re:What am I missing? (2, Insightful)

nEoN nOoDlE (27594) | more than 9 years ago | (#13469040)

So the link to the originating website at the bottom of the pop-up window isn't "credit?" Yeah, it's stupid of a large restaurant chain to link to another site because the content may change, but I think he overreacted. On his little bandwidth graph, fuddruckers was far from being the worst bandwidth hog. He could have just sent them a letter and if it was anything other than a large restaurant chain, he probably would have.

Re:What am I missing? (2, Insightful)

benna (614220) | more than 9 years ago | (#13468909)

The problem is that the way fuddruckers did the link, it looked like it was part of their site.

Re:What am I missing? (1)

TelJanin (784836) | more than 9 years ago | (#13468921)

It's that Fuddruckers linked it directly, and without credit. But direct linking is a no-no.

Re:What am I missing? (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 9 years ago | (#13468956)

Direct linking is absolutely ok.

Re:What am I missing? (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 9 years ago | (#13469023)

What justification do you have for the claim that direct linking is a "no-no"?

Direct linking is what the web is about!

Re:What am I missing? (1)

Seumas (6865) | more than 9 years ago | (#13468934)

Yes, but Coupland's point is that the victim is affecting innocent third-parties who have nothing to do with the situation other than being visitors to Fuddrucker's site. Fuddruckers is in the wrong. Customers of theirs did nothing wrong and should not be "attacked". A passive image being shown in place of the flash portion, indicating that fuddrucker's was stealing the guy's bandwidth and talent would have been reasonable as it let's visitors know what Fuddrucker's is doing without afflicting any splash damage on someone just going to check out their menu.

What are YOU missing? (4, Insightful)

TheStupidOne (872664) | more than 9 years ago | (#13468944)

A) Corporate entity used someone's work without their permission, solely to gain traffic.
B) Corporate entity hotlinked said work so that the creator would have to foot the bandwidth bill

I don't think the creator would have mind much if he had his work used with permission and was hosted on Fuddrucker's servers. Hell, I would have taken it as an honor. This isn't a random teenager hotlinking some crazy photoshop on his Angelfire site, this is a major corporation stealing someone's work and bandwidth. Fuddruckers not only stole his work and claimed it as their own, but they stole his bandwidth at the same time. And they profited from their theft, while he was left with the bandwidth expenses.

Information should be free, but people's hard work and creativity should be rewarded. If someone is profiting off someone else's work, then the creater deserves compensation, unless he specifically allows it. I even ask permission from the site owner or creator before taking things and using them on my site. It's common curtesy. Just because it's on the Internet doesn't mean it's free to just take and profit from.

Re:What am I missing? (4, Insightful)

mixmasterjake (745969) | more than 9 years ago | (#13468954)

Because all information should be free. Uh, except MY information, I mean. My work is copyrighted so keep your damn links away! All corporate information should be free, though. That's what I mean. Screw the man!

Re:What am I missing? (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 9 years ago | (#13468964)

Professional courtesy. A commercial site can throw bandwith into unreal levels of traffic. An email is the least they can do.

I personally love changing links on the rude. The last fun one was wired news a few years back. I changed it over labor day weekend for maximum impact while they were out. It was an apple commercial parody of their think different campeign. I changed it to a tv commercial from australia for a radio station that featured a singing penis and also changed the end-title card to a wired news promo "wired news - logo - we love hot singing cock". Stupid but eh - what am I going to come up with in 5 minutes in adobe premiere.

The author of the link and the article had a great sense of humor and forwarded some of the email feedback that piled up over the weekend. A nice laugh.

Furthermore... (5, Insightful)

CarbonJackson (540580) | more than 9 years ago | (#13468965)

He has the URL of his website right there on the opening screen. So while they're stealing what looked to be 5% of his traffic, they're also directing people to his website. Wow, someone in corporate America assumed a little bit too much, what would have been wrong with a polite to the webmaster? And why not just change the URL? Instead he decides to expose people to graphic images because they made the mistake of going to the Fudrucker's website? Sheesh. Chill out.

Re:What am I missing? (0)

Hosiah (849792) | more than 9 years ago | (#13468967)

What are you missing? Let me count the ways:

In the first place, Fuddruckers' page leaves guests with the impression that they did the game themselves. Meanwhile, they make money off of somebody else's work, without credit, acknowledgement, a link to allow visitors to return traffic to the host's site. But wait, there's more...

As the author points out, they didn't download the game and host it themselves on their own server. So in his web stats, he's getting "false hits" that don't actually represent a visitor to *his* site...only a booby trap that springs every time somebody clicks the link to the game on the Fuddrucker's site.

This drains his bandwidth as well, taxing his servers for constant reloads of the game code while contributing nothing. Imagine if your site were down because it was Slashdotted, but only by bots who clicked on none of your ads or benefitted you in any way.

This wasn't just casual theft. This is to theft as breaking and entering is to ransacking, cleaning out the fridge, maxing out the credit cards and the pay-per-view, having your way with the family pet, turning every light, water tap, and gas jet in the house on full blast and leaving them, and then waiting for the tenants to get back so you can steal their car and drive off, stopping only to knock off the mailbox on the way out.

Or modding a question like this "insightful"...

Now, I know what you're thinking, you'se go: "'Ey, but Hosiah, yah gots a link right in your sig with your wallpaper site." Yes, and it's free for the world to download and use (even rotten people) keyword is *download*, and if it's used for a commercial purpose, all I ask is a link or credit in return. Building your webpage by merely hotlinking the background to my page *would* be dumb, because how do you know I'll keep that image there?

Re:What am I missing? (2, Insightful)

AnonymousCactus (810364) | more than 9 years ago | (#13468977)

I host some websites, some flash, some other stuff. I don't care how I get eyeballs, as long as people don't steal my content, I can make money from ads. This guy is an idiot.

Re:What am I missing? (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 9 years ago | (#13468995)

Try common decency?

The word has been redefined (5, Insightful)

Motherfucking Shit (636021) | more than 9 years ago | (#13469017)

So someone is punishing another person for using a hotlink on the web?
I imagine you, like me, recall the day when "hotlink" was just another term for "link." Back then, having as many "hotlinks" to you as possible was a great thing.

People have gradually redefined the word, though, and now it no longer carries positive connotations. The current definition of "hotlink" is something like "to embed content in your web site which references an absolute URI on another web site." This practice used to be called image stealing or bandwidth stealing, but I guess those weren't buzzword-worthy enough.

I guess even with that definition, what Fuddrucker's did doesn't really qualify. What they're really guilty of is just plain asshattery, and it's possible that the "victim" is just perpetrating more of the same. His LiveJournal post includes this edit:

EDIT: Apparently the slaughterhouse sites are getting hammered... they might take a while to load.
So, presumably, he's not hosting the slaughterhouse images himself, but he's redirecting Fuddrucker's traffic to innocent third parties... The very thing he's pissed off at Fuddrucker's for doing.

Re:What am I missing? (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 9 years ago | (#13469032)

Mod parent up please.

I'm sick and f**cking tired of hearing people whine about 'hot linking', 'stealing bandwidth', blah, blah, blah...

If you don't want to share it with the world, don't put it in your public directory. Simple as that.

Well... (1)

sopuli (459663) | more than 9 years ago | (#13469035)

the web is also about being able to change content on the fly. So I really don't see what is wrong with adjusting your content to the situation.

That's awesome (1)

TOWebstress (855727) | more than 9 years ago | (#13468890)

I think Fuddruckers has already been slashdotted or they got wise to it and pulled the site. Kudos to the developer for claiming what is his. Too often in this day and age, it's too hard to do.

while pranks like this are fun and all.. (1, Insightful)

thegoogler (792786) | more than 9 years ago | (#13468892)

wasn't the POINT of the internet to be able to link anywhere at any time? /. has bashed sites before for there linking policies and legal action over "deeplinking", so whats the problem with this instance?

Re:while pranks like this are fun and all.. (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 9 years ago | (#13468907)

It's much easier to ask forgiveness than permission.

Re:while pranks like this are fun and all.. (1)

heatdeath (217147) | more than 9 years ago | (#13468914)

The difference is that they didn't bother to mention that he wrote it. Common courtesy for linking to resources like images or other downloads is to link to the html page that contains the link - not to the resource itself.

Re:while pranks like this are fun and all.. (1)

kilolima (653825) | more than 9 years ago | (#13468966)

actually, if you RTFA, you would notice in the screenshot of the Fud... site that it shows the url and email of the flash game developer's page.

Re:while pranks like this are fun and all.. (1)

Hannah E. Davis (870669) | more than 9 years ago | (#13468920)

The problem here is that the company was using his game without telling him, giving him credit, or considering that maybe, just maybe, he might not want them to use his bandwidth (let alone his game) to advertise their product.

Re:while pranks like this are fun and all.. (1)

afidel (530433) | more than 9 years ago | (#13469018)

If he doesn't want his bandwidth used then perhaps he shouldn't publish something on the world wide web. This crazy global system of linked documents is kind of predicated on the idea that if you freely publish something others are allowed, and even encouraged, to link to that usefull content. If you have to or want to limit the resources used to publish that content then that is fine, just don't expect me or anyone else who actually understands the net to cry any tears for you when people use the www as it was designed.

Re:while pranks like this are fun and all.. (1)

iCEBaLM (34905) | more than 9 years ago | (#13469026)

The problem here is that the company was using his game without telling him

So you have to ask permission every time you want to link something? Rediculous.

giving him credit

Credit is in the titlescreen of the game, even the authors URL.

or considering that maybe, just maybe, he might not want them to use his bandwidth

If he doesn't want to use bandwidth he shouldn't make resources publicly available to the public internet.

All this being said, the game author is also within his rights to block, by technical means, these actions from happening as it is his web server after all.

Re:while pranks like this are fun and all.. (1)

Arimus (198136) | more than 9 years ago | (#13468927)

The problem isn't so much the link but the fact that by linking to the authors flash game he's having to pay the bandwidth charges etc. For a large file such as a flash game common politeness would be to email the author saying "We like your game, can we host a copy of it on our site (together with a link to your site and the usual credits)". The way the fuddruckers site looked it made it appear that the game was their own work.

and the point is... (1, Interesting)

Anonymous Coward | more than 9 years ago | (#13468945)

(I suppose) it's not cool for a commercial entity to use someone's freely available document to enhance commercial value without obtaining permission or a contract or something or other.

uhmm, you know, sort of like slashdot articles where 4 lines of incoherent mischaracteration and a link bring down some hobbyist's case mod page, thereby allowing OSTG to make bazillions from banner ads.

How come slashdot doesn't get more slaughterhouse redirects?

I think I would have started by sending a rather large bill to Fudruckers...

HOT Linking isn't linking (1)

tod_miller (792541) | more than 9 years ago | (#13468974)

Hot linking is firstly theft of bandwidth, because you deliver content to people coming to your site, whereas now you are delivering content to other peoples site.

Imagine a [real world] newspaper taking columns from another newspaper. Now, just because the technology makes it easy to do, doesn't make it right.

A 'page' is how it is represented or supposed to be represented in your browser (as some browsers could auto detect cross site linking and open up original sites etc).

Anyone could have LINKED to his site. like this [briggster.com] but taking a bite of content here and there and framing it (in a popup) is wrong, unless you have a license to.

From what you are saying, I can have all flash games on my site, and even charge people to use it, because I am just hotlinking them.

'Jay is' website is good linking.

Re:HOT Linking isn't linking (1, Interesting)

Anonymous Coward | more than 9 years ago | (#13469022)

Actually, it has already been ruled that hotlinking in such a way that the target is integrated into the linking site so that it isn't obvious to visitors that the content is not part of the site is copyright infringment.

Is this still up? Lol :-) (1, Informative)

tod_miller (792541) | more than 9 years ago | (#13468901)

This is funny, I would have done the same thing. They cannot counter sue because they had no business.

If someone steals what I am saying, and puts it on their own site, then sues me when i change what I say, screw them!

Good for him!

Poo: fuddruckers.com is down. Oh, slashdot?

To confirm you're not a script,
please type the word in this image: blithe

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Neopets and Livejournal users are just as bad (1, Funny)

Anonymous Coward | more than 9 years ago | (#13468911)

Wow, glad I'm not the only person to use this technique against bandwidth thieves. Stupid neopets and livejournal users.

I redirected all the traffic from their site back to their own site. Neopets thought we were ripping off their site, when in fact I repointed the DNS of the site they were abusing back at them.

Re:Neopets and Livejournal users are just as bad (1)

stfvon007 (632997) | more than 9 years ago | (#13469006)

Had a friend that took an image on my site and hotlinked it as an avitar on some message boards. I changed the Image to say "I am an Idiot" Also since if a person changed their avatar on those boards it would not affect past posts, he was stuck with dozens of posts where he proudly proclamed that he was a loser.

Modder Fuddruckers (2, Funny)

dotslashdot (694478) | more than 9 years ago | (#13468913)

Those modder fuddruckers! Every modder fuddurcking time I see that modder fuddrucking restaurant, I start cussing like a modder fuddrucker.

Just to get this out of the way.. (4, Insightful)

XaXXon (202882) | more than 9 years ago | (#13468916)

No one is saying that Fuddruckers can't link to someone else's site.

BUT

When you do that, you're pointing people at someone else's content that they can choose to change at any time.

Sure, it's your "right" to link to someone else's page (or else the web wouldn't work), but make sure you don't piss them off or you never know what you'll be pointing to in the future.

Re:Just to get this out of the way.. (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 9 years ago | (#13469003)

BUT

The whole point of Internet was not to piss everybody and his brother around off, but provide a convenient media to conduct information.

Linking is so essential, guys, you don't understand how important it is. Deliberately changing the content just to piss somebody off is what it is - a move somewhat equal to unexpectedly spitting in someone's face on a street.

"Hotlink"? (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 9 years ago | (#13468932)

I assume "hotlink" is just a synonym for "hyperlink." While I'm not complaining, why make up new terms?

Re:"Hotlink"? (1)

benna (614220) | more than 9 years ago | (#13468935)

Because it's not the same. Hotlinking is when you directly embed content (usually an image actually) from someone elses server into your own. Technically they are actually linking here, but the effect is the same since they are linking directly to the flash window and trying to pass it off as their own.

please educate me, Oh Mighty /. : why is this bad? (2, Insightful)

kilolima (653825) | more than 9 years ago | (#13468937)

I don't understand. From the screenshot of the fuddruckers site, it clearly gives the url and email of the flash game site... so how is this stealing content? Wouldn't a small-time flash developer want this sort of exposure? Doing some sort of goatse move to poor kids who are expecting to play a game is just wrong. This guy should be taken to court or soemthing for indecent exposure.

Www.fuddruckers.com is down (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 9 years ago | (#13468940)

But then they're running IIS, according to netcraft so you'd expect they'd quickly succumb to slashdot. (Or maybe there's a nightly "closed for the night" that IIS does during backup or something silly like that?)

Ass (5, Insightful)

MattW (97290) | more than 9 years ago | (#13468941)

Note to flash guy: you're an ass and a publicity hound.

(1) Your game has a URL tag on it, so it's impossible for fuddrucker's to represent it as their own.

(2) Fuddrucker's accounted for only a small portion of total hits, and yet you're complaining about the bandwidth usage?

(3) Despite the evidence that the link was not particularly stressful nor malicious in any way, you went way out of your way to do something incredibly malicious back.

How... bad.

Re:Ass (1)

JoshRosenbaum (841551) | more than 9 years ago | (#13468970)

Amen brother. I'd mod you up if I could.

Re:Ass (1)

JoshRosenbaum (841551) | more than 9 years ago | (#13468993)

I just RTFA and now I understand what the user was talking about. I take back my amen. :) Their site definitely makes it look like the Burgertime game was a Fuddrucker's deal. (except for the briggster links at the bottom of the game). I'm going neutral on this one. :)

Re:Ass (1)

Madd Scientist (894040) | more than 9 years ago | (#13468972)

... he was just pointing out how stupid it was to link to his content as part of their corporate website... your list doesn't apply at all.

Re:Ass (1)

Meest (714734) | more than 9 years ago | (#13468975)

I don't think he cares if they use it or not. As long as he gets credit for it. But whats to say he doesn't watnt the bandwith cost?? A Company as big as fuddruckers should have been able to host the game on their own site and avoid it. Heck to even Be Politicaly Correct now days i'm suprised they didn't e-mail him and ask permision... You would think a Company this large would have some policy's sent in place to avoid issues like this. The other thing is that Fuddruckers never posted anywhere on the main site that the link would take you to a page NOT hosted by them. So to me thats passing it off as your own. Normaly if i post anothere sites content i'll post where its going to be taking them. Hence the slashdot url Linkage.

Hmmmmmmmm (2, Insightful)

Descalzo (898339) | more than 9 years ago | (#13468990)

My sentiments exactly.

So what's the difference between what Fuddruckers did to him and what he did to the slaughterhouses?

Re:Ass (2, Insightful)

Shipud (685171) | more than 9 years ago | (#13468996)

Note to flash guy: you're an ass and a publicity hound.

(1) Your game has a URL tag on it, so it's impossible for fuddrucker's to represent it as their own.

Yet they did. Nota bene: not everyone is as sophisticated as a /.r. Most people do not realize that a different URL tag means someone else created it. And they cannibalized it for their own gain

(2) Fuddrucker's accounted for only a small portion of total hits, and yet you're complaining about the bandwidth usage?

His bandwidth, it's his to complain about. Fuddruckers should pay him for that portion. Or at least ask nicely.

(3) Despite the evidence that the link was not particularly stressful nor malicious in any way, you went way out of your way to do something incredibly malicious back.

Plagiarism and stealing bandwidth. They could have asked nicely AND did a better job of giving credit.

Plagiarism for profit purposes is greedy, shows undue pride, obviously Fuddrucker's web designer was envious of the Flash programmer's skill, but too slothful to acquire or implement them. Four deadly sins right there.

Re:Ass (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 9 years ago | (#13469027)

It seems more like fuddruckers was sending a tiny handful of hits to what it thought was a cute game. Plagarism for profit? Do you really think fuddruckers is making some big wad of cash by linking to his game? Please. He is an ass.

the fat kid (5, Funny)

advocate_one (662832) | more than 9 years ago | (#13468947)

on the fuddruckers webpage isn't a very good advert for their product... really... the kid is already obese...

Oops. (1)

Matilda the Hun (861460) | more than 9 years ago | (#13468949)

Well, Fuddruckers didn't get the chance to be pissed off about that, because they just got Slashdotted. Sucks to be them. I guess that's what you get when you bring down geek mob justice on yourself.

I'm glad they don't hotlink their burgers (1)

sketchkid (555690) | more than 9 years ago | (#13468961)

those things are delicious! This guy is dumb though for thinking he came anywhere close to pwning them.

Hrmmm..... (5, Insightful)

toastyman (23954) | more than 9 years ago | (#13468962)

So, you're upset someone is using something you created without giving you credit or asking permission, but you copied the gameplay and name from another company's game without crediting them in any way or getting permission?

Re:Hrmmm..... (1)

DietCoke (139072) | more than 9 years ago | (#13468994)

That's the best damn point of these comments so far.

One cancels out the other, IMHO.

It's a whole new Golden Rule! (4, Insightful)

tmoertel (38456) | more than 9 years ago | (#13468963)

Let me get this straight. This guy is outraged that a high-traffic site would link to him, chewing up his bandwidth, and his "solution" is to redirect all of that traffic to some other sites that host pictures of slaughterhouses, driving those poor guys into ground:
EDIT: Apparently the slaughterhouse sites are getting hammered... they might take a while to load.
I guess his Golden Rule reads like this: Feel free to do unto others what has been done to you.

Apparently, his sense of moral outrage is not transitive.

Re:It's a whole new Golden Rule! (1)

Nerd Systems (912027) | more than 9 years ago | (#13468969)

He should have been smart, added Google Ads to his site in a hurry... and made sure that everyone visiting his site clicked on one of those ads... PROFIT

Re:It's a whole new Golden Rule! (1)

Niten (201835) | more than 9 years ago | (#13469016)

I'd agree with you, except I would assume that many of these sites hosting images of slaughterhouses are intended primarily to discourage people from eating meat at fast food chains (PETA types, etc.). As such, I imagine that these sites might welcome such traffic, it coming from what they might consider their target audience.

(Of course I could have the wrong idea about the material he is redirecting these visitors to; I haven't seen it myself because, at the time of this writing, fuddruckers.com is slashdotted.)

Hypocrite? (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 9 years ago | (#13468968)

From TFA:

EDIT: Apparently the slaughterhouse sites are getting hammered... they might take a while to load.

So, wait...he's bitching about hotlinks and then hotlinking to other webpages in order to show slaughterhouse images?

cute (2, Insightful)

X_Caffeine (451624) | more than 9 years ago | (#13468973)

cute, but isn't this guy now stealing bandwidth from slaughterhouses?

Re:cute (1)

Sancho (17056) | more than 9 years ago | (#13468992)

That was my first thought upon reading the blog. It's complete bullshit--if he wanted to fuck with fuddruckers, he should have put a pornographic image on his own site as the link rather than something on someone else's server, which is essentially doing the exact thing that Fuddruckers was doing.

the name means what? (1)

Mahou (873114) | more than 9 years ago | (#13468976)

maybe i'm behind the times or something but what the hell is a rudd fucker?

They'll be sorry now! (5, Funny)

Anonymous Coward | more than 9 years ago | (#13468979)

From: Justin Daniels
Date: Fri, 2 Sep 2005 19:056:32 -0400
To: webmaster
Subject: Complaint about your website

To Whom It May Concern;

Upon returning from a birthday party at one of your restaurants in Atlanta, my ten year old son wanted to look at the Fuddrucker's website. Normally, I am very restrictive on what Joshua may view, but I was confident that the content on your website would be child appropriate.

Much to my dismay, my son became very upset at something he saw on your site. When I went to investigate, I discovered numerous pop-up browser windows detailing how cows are killed and slaughtered, and ground into hamburger meat! This information was thrust upon him when he clicked on a link to a game called "BurgerTime" from your so-called "Fuddrockers" page, which appears to be intended for children.

My child is still upset, and it has taken my wife almost an hour to calm him down. Now he has said he will never eat a hamburger again, and has been repeatedly apologizing for helping "kill the cows".

I am absolutely appalled that you post this sort of information on your website. It is my duty, as a parent, to teach my children where meat comes from.

I can safely say that my family and I will never step foot in another Fuddrucker's restaurant after this traumatic evening.

Justin Daniels
Atlanta, Georgia

I wonder how the slaughterhouse people feel =) (4, Interesting)

starvingartist12 (464372) | more than 9 years ago | (#13468984)

What would have been cooler is having all the Slaughterhouse websites retaliate against the Burgertime guy and call him names for using up their content/bandwidth.

Now that's a story =)

But in all seriousness people!` (3, Funny)

bobbyw (890344) | more than 9 years ago | (#13468987)

Now how the fuck am I going to play burgertime?

www.fuddrruckers.com (4, Informative)

matthew.thompson (44814) | more than 9 years ago | (#13468991)

Is anyone else just getting the google homepage when they go to www.fuddruckers.com ?

Re:www.fuddrruckers.com (1)

benna (614220) | more than 9 years ago | (#13468997)

I just get "connection refused."

Re:www.fuddrruckers.com (2, Interesting)

TheComputerMutt.ca (907022) | more than 9 years ago | (#13469009)

Yes, I am. From the looks of it, everything works. It looks like they modified their DNS info to point to Google, or something of the like.

Seems pretty stupid to me.

What the fuck? (4, Insightful)

Mirkon (618432) | more than 9 years ago | (#13469005)

Talk about "incredibly stupid" web developers, how about a guy who redirects unsuspecting consumers to his personal diatribe and some intrusive pop-ups?

FFS, complain to the company, move the file, restrict access from that referrer - but jesus, this is the kind of jackassery that makes people hate the Web.

Slashdot Logic (3, Funny)

oskard (715652) | more than 9 years ago | (#13469008)

Let me get this straight. Homeboy complains about his bandwidth getting jacked, thus DoSing his web server. So we slashdot him? BRILLIANT.

Re:Slashdot Logic (1)

TheComputerMutt.ca (907022) | more than 9 years ago | (#13469019)

No, he claims of being hotlinked, getting no credit for his work while his bandwidth is being used. This slashdotting is giving him much more recognition in exchange for his bandwidth. It's entirely different.

Also, his site was never DoS'd.

There's stupid and then there's stupid (5, Insightful)

The Empiricist (854346) | more than 9 years ago | (#13469015)

Most of the comments seem to focus on the morality of what the Fuddruckers webmaster (of html-peon) did or on what Mr. Briggs did. I think I even saw a comment on how stupid Fuddruckers must be.

What I haven't seen is the suggestion that perhaps Mr. Briggs passed up a modestly lucrative opportunity to profit a bit from his originally selfless efforts. After all, it's obvious that someone at Fuddruckers liked his game. He might have been able to convince them to legally purchase the rights, or at least agree to indemnify him if the original creators of the BurgerTime game ever decided to sue Mr. Briggs based on copyright infringement. Perhaps he might have convinced them to purchase a tweaked version of the game, customized for Fuddruckkers.

Instead, he decided to make a rather malicious effort to embarrass them, poisoning any potential commercial relationship. But, the opportunity to rant and show off modest technological l33t skillz was apparently enough to offset the potential of acquiring base, material crap such as money.

Google (2, Funny)

NitsujTPU (19263) | more than 9 years ago | (#13469021)

Well, apparently they didn't know how to fix it either, since, now, all requests are going straight to Google.

Nice. (2, Interesting)

SphericalCrusher (739397) | more than 9 years ago | (#13469028)

I've had a similar thing happen to me, although the company was not so big (it was just a single person). I think the idea that they wanted to link to him was pretty cool, because it also promotes his game, but he was right -- they should download it and host it on their site and give more linkback info to him so that people know they didn't create it themselves. It's always a funny sight to find simple vulnerabilities on the net.
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