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Marvel Gets Cash to do 10 Films

ScuttleMonkey posted more than 8 years ago | from the make-going-to-the-theater-worth-remortgaging-the-house dept.

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jmozena writes "Marvel has raised $525 million to independently finance 10 movies based on its comics over seven years. The titles named are Captain America, The Avengers, Nick Fury, Black Panther, Ant-Man, Cloak & Dagger, Dr. Strange, Hawkeye, Power Pack and Shang-Chi. The company's also changing its name from Marvel Enterprises to Marvel Entertainment."

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604 comments

Good Investment (5, Interesting)

fembots (753724) | more than 8 years ago | (#13495914)

Based on the statistics [the-numbers.com] , comic-turn-movies are bringing in around $350 millions each after cost.

It's a pretty safe investment, they just need two good ones to break even, and another 8 crappy ones @ $20m each to have 30% return.

Re:Good Investment (4, Funny)

Koiu Lpoi (632570) | more than 8 years ago | (#13496058)

I dunno man... Ant Man? Just not seeing the returns on that one.

Re:Good Investment (2, Insightful)

fembots (753724) | more than 8 years ago | (#13496083)

Still, shouldn't have problem getting $20m. There are people who watch everything-comic, or just couldn't buy seats for their intended movies.

Ant Man - Like Spiderman, but with 6 legs.

Re:Good Investment (4, Interesting)

Jeff DeMaagd (2015) | more than 8 years ago | (#13496202)

Still, shouldn't have problem getting $20m. There are people who watch everything-comic, or just couldn't buy seats for their intended movies.

If that $525M gets split evenly into 10 movies, that means $52.5M goes to Ant Man's production. A $20M take means a $32.5M loss for a movie that probably shouldn't have been made. I'm thinking this will be an Electra but won't have the pull of Jennifer Garner, which, for many, was the only reason to see it.

I understand your reasoning though, but I don't think it should be treated as a batch-gamble, where they seem to throw piles of money, small ideas and big names at a vat-o-projects and hope a few get a blockbuster.

Re:Good Investment (1)

Gojira Shipi-Taro (465802) | more than 8 years ago | (#13496108)

Ant Man I can see, lots of money in CGI effects films.

Power Pack though... Whiskey Tango Foxtrot, Batman!

Super-powered Toddlers has already been done one time to many.

Re:Good Investment (3, Insightful)

ihtagik (318795) | more than 8 years ago | (#13496111)

Based on past movies based on ants/ant-like creatures/and men with links to said creatures:

Antz - 170million
Spider Man - 400million +
Spider Man II - 250million in 2 weeks

what's not to see, the better question is how many sequels can we expect!

Re:Good Investment (2, Insightful)

Jeff DeMaagd (2015) | more than 8 years ago | (#13496135)

You left out A Bug's Life.

Antz and Bug's Live didn't try forcing an unknown comic book hero to the screen. Spider-Man is incredibly well-known and actually was made into a couple decent movies. I just don't see Ant-Man as being very marketable.

Re:Good Investment (5, Insightful)

ciroknight (601098) | more than 8 years ago | (#13496091)

Based on SlashStatistics (a general look through the comments), these movies will fail, miserabily.

The novelty of a comic book movie or a video game movie wears off very quickly, and are often greatly critisized by the true fans of the comic/video game. Yet they keep making these movies because they don't need to put a lot of thought into them; their designers already put their hearts into it and spent their life drawing these characters out in the comic books.

I will admit, there is an occasional breakout hit: The Matrix, Sin City were amazing, Spiderman was not as bad as it could have been. But it hardly makes up for the disasters they wage in the process (Daredevil, Elektra, The Incredible Hulk, come on).

It really is evident in the hollywood scheme of things that they have ran out of movie ideas because the corporation is stifling the idealists. People are too busy crunching the numbers on the films instead of spending the money, making it, and learning something from it. Some say Hollywood has matured in this way, but just look at the box offices: Hollywood hasn't matured at all. They're just remaking the same movies over and over, with different names for the characters, different actors, and in different cities.

I think that's all I can say before I get into a rant..

Re:Good Investment (4, Funny)

Jeff DeMaagd (2015) | more than 8 years ago | (#13496159)

They're just remaking the same movies over and over, with different names for the characters, different actors, and in different cities.

Worse in some cases. Sleepless in Seattle and You've Got Mail were basically the same movie but they forgot to replace the same actors! One comment I've heard was "It wasn't as if the Empire State Building collapsed that they needed to make a new one!"

Not Too Much Left (4, Funny)

Nimrangul (599578) | more than 8 years ago | (#13495916)

Anyone else notice how those are all the second grade comics of Marvel being done? I mean, seriously, who would want to watch a film about Ant-Man?

Re:Not Too Much Left (2, Insightful)

npietraniec (519210) | more than 8 years ago | (#13495944)

Just because they weren't the most popular characters ever doesn't mean they wouldn't make good movies... I mean, look at it from the opposite direction. The Daredevil and Hulk movies sucked... So did Catwoman for that matter. Punisher wasn't that great either... Hm...

Re:Not Too Much Left (1)

Mr. Underbridge (666784) | more than 8 years ago | (#13495998)

It does mean that it'll be hard to make money, though. I think they've really mistimed this - Hollywood's all about streaks of nearly identical movies, and outside of franchises like Batman and Spiderman, I think the string has played out. My personal guess, but it looks like the public is cooling on these movies combined with less recognizable titles. Hell, I've only heard of two of them and have no interest in seeing those two.

Re:Not Too Much Left (1)

lasmith05 (578697) | more than 8 years ago | (#13495946)

I completely agree. Although I liked power pack, I can't imagine a decent movie being made around it. Maybe a spykids like deal.

Re:Not Too Much Left (5, Funny)

gardyloo (512791) | more than 8 years ago | (#13495955)

I mean, seriously, who would want to watch a film about Ant-Man?

    The studio is obviously hoping that swarms will want to watch.

Re:Not Too Much Left (2, Insightful)

maxbang (598632) | more than 8 years ago | (#13495974)

I'd want to watch it. The founder of the Avengers and creater of Ultron? Who wouldn't want to watch that? Plus, I always thought the Wasp was hot.

Re:Not Too Much Left (1)

Bob54321 (911744) | more than 8 years ago | (#13496008)

I'd say a lot of people will actually see it - as long as it is not released at the same time as something big. Even if it flops at the cinema, people rent really crappy movies all the time - when your nt paying much a crappy movie doesn't seem that bad

Re:Not Too Much Left (1)

Danathar (267989) | more than 8 years ago | (#13496024)

Rumor is that Wes Craven is going to do Dr. Strange.

That promises to be horrific

Re:Not Too Much Left (1)

Gojira Shipi-Taro (465802) | more than 8 years ago | (#13496130)

Have to agree. "Wes Craven Does Dr. Strange" is a porno flick I have no interest in. Not into sausage fests.

I do!!! (1)

antdude (79039) | more than 8 years ago | (#13496082)

Just kidding. Yeah, looking at its comic briefly online looks umm dumb! Ugh! Oh well, I guess I will get to see the cool ants. ;)

Re:Not Too Much Left (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 8 years ago | (#13496124)

I remember an episode of Saturday Night Live when Garrett Morris played Antman. The episode was called Superman's Party [jt.org] , with Margot Kidder, Aykroyd, Belushi, the whole crew.
The Flash: What are your super powers again? You - you - you talk to the ants, is that it?

Antman: Well, partly. But, mainly, I shrink myself down to the size of an ant while retaining my full human strength.

The Flash: Really?

Antman: Yeah.

The Flash: [sarcastic] Oooh, that's really impressive. Size of an ant with human strength. You must be able to clean house on those other ants, huh? [chuckles] Hey! Hey, Hulk! Hey, check this guy out.

The Hulk: Ooooh!

The Flash: He's got the strength of a human!

deadpool? (1)

dosle (794546) | more than 8 years ago | (#13495917)

No Deadpool or Carnage flicks? wow, what a jip.

Who owns the rights to the Wonder Twins? (1)

FosterKanig (645454) | more than 8 years ago | (#13495920)

There should be a movie about them.

Ass Bag!@ (-1, Offtopic)

Anonymous Coward | more than 8 years ago | (#13495925)

Ass BNag

First order of business: (1)

maxbang (598632) | more than 8 years ago | (#13495931)

Make sure Roger Corman is available...to be locked far, far away from these monies.

Re:First order of business: (1)

mesach (191869) | more than 8 years ago | (#13496098)

Why, with Roger Corman at the helm, they could probably put out a movie for EVERY hero in the marvel universe. Plus a Sequel, Sure they would probably be pretty cheesy, but i bet all of that could at least pay for themselves based on just the marvel name, AND Rog might have some left over to play with for his next few Toxic Avenger movies

All old characters... (1)

MMC Monster (602931) | more than 8 years ago | (#13495932)

All these characters have existed for at least 20 years. Which goes to show you that Marvel really hasn't come up with much exciting stuff in the last couple decades. Just more crossovers featuring everyone's favorite mutants, with a splash of Spiderman in for variety.

Now, I wish someone would make a movie based on the Vertigo version of Lucifer...

Re:All old characters... (1)

NanoGator (522640) | more than 8 years ago | (#13495971)

"Which goes to show you that Marvel really hasn't come up with much exciting stuff in the last couple decades."

On the flip side, it means that Marvel has franchises that have withstood the test of time. Frankly, I don't think highly of super-hero movies, but if they have a devoted fan base then give them what they want.

NOOOO!! (2, Insightful)

DoctaWatson (38667) | more than 8 years ago | (#13496032)

"Now, I wish someone would make a movie based on the Vertigo version of Lucifer..."

Last time Hollywood got their grubby little hands on a Vertigo franchise, we got Constantine.

Re:All old characters... (1)

IAmNotACowboy (827513) | more than 8 years ago | (#13496107)

Now, I wish someone would make a movie based on the Vertigo version of Lucifer...

only if Neil Gaiman wrote the screenplay.

Re:All old characters... (5, Funny)

GaryPatterson (852699) | more than 8 years ago | (#13496186)

(somewhere in Hollywood...)

Exec A:
"I'm thinking "The Sandman" from those cool comics, only in the movie he's not some skinny guy, but a musclebound hero!"

Exec B:
"I'm listening..."

Exec A:
"He's got the power of making people sleep, or hallucinate during the day. He fights crime and recharges his magic bag of sleeping dust every night. And his arch-enemy is his own sister, Desire!"

Exec B:
"Good twist. What about the love interest?"

Exec A:
"Well, his girlfriend is a rock-grrl from New York, street-hip and so marketable. We've got sketches of a clothing line"

Exec B:
"I like it. We need to drop some of that touchy-feely crap from the stories. I want action, and long fight sequences. Is that Woo guy available? I'm thinking of a huge fight scene, where the Sandman fights that sister, starting with fists and then getting swords from a wall or something. It'll end with him cutting off her head just when she's about to skewer him. We'll need some special effects though. Do these guys fly?"

Exec A:
"They do now!"

Exec B:
"Shit we're going to make so much money from this. Maybe there's a sequel, and she's not dead but comes back for revenge. It doesn't matter though."

Beating it to death... (4, Insightful)

nebaz (453974) | more than 8 years ago | (#13495937)

This has happened before. Right after the initial success of Batman [imdb.com]
the movie studios thought that super-hero movies were the way to go. The resulting movies were not made well.
They made Captain America once before [imdb.com] . As much as I loved the X-Men and Spiderman movies, Fantastic Four was only so-so,
and bringing back Captain America, they should be careful. Hollywood tends to beat genres to death, wait a while and do it
all over again.

Captain America x2. (1, Informative)

Anonymous Coward | more than 8 years ago | (#13495994)

They brought captain america twice already to the screen, same as Punisher.

Re:Beating it to death... (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 8 years ago | (#13496095)

Uh, FF wasn't great but it was a HELL of a lot better than the crapfests that were X-Men 1 & 2.

Re:Beating it to death... (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 8 years ago | (#13496134)

Back then though, I think Batman was the only one that came out well. This time around they've had a much better run, with maybe half of the ones they try coming out well.

Re:Beating it to death... (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 8 years ago | (#13496209)

I think Batman was the only one that came out well

Which one are you talking about? Keaton's Batman?

Greh (5, Insightful)

Madsci (616781) | more than 8 years ago | (#13495942)

Those movies sound terrible. And Hollywood wonders why it's in a slump? You can't make ten of something and have each be interesting/worth $10 in its own right.

Re:Greh (1)

$RANDOMLUSER (804576) | more than 8 years ago | (#13496112)

If you download any of this dreck, we'll sue you.
Love,
The MPAA

from the ways-to-flog-dead-horses dept (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 8 years ago | (#13495943)

Damn what happened to all the good comics? oh theyve already been made into movies

before there was monotheism (5, Insightful)

circletimessquare (444983) | more than 8 years ago | (#13495947)

there was demigods and hero worship

the roman gods and greek gods or the gods of hinduism, for example

i think there is some sort of psychological sweet spot that superheroes touch in our heads and hearts

it's a meme that monotheism just can't kill

sort of ideal representations of who we think we should be or who we wish we were, and the relationships we have with other elements of society, and the struggle with evil... a social and psychological context that some nameless faceless uberentity that is a monotheistic god just can't satisfy in us

we'll be with superheroes and marvel/dc for a long, long time

Capital Man (3, Funny)

MyLongNickName (822545) | more than 8 years ago | (#13495993)

There's No Need To Fear! CAPITAL LETTER Man is Here!

Re:before there was monotheism (0, Offtopic)

Eightyford (893696) | more than 8 years ago | (#13496014)

Just cuz you never see jehova kickin' bad guy asses, doesn't mean he aint cool, man.

Re:before there was monotheism (1)

cynicdave (888931) | more than 8 years ago | (#13496066)

it's called celebrities dude. have you seen mainstream entertainment?


or even in the geek world. linus this linus that. macs and jobs this jobs that. nazis and gates this gates that.

Re:before there was monotheism (2, Insightful)

suitepotato (863945) | more than 8 years ago | (#13496114)

Uh, before you start feeling warm in the glow of yet another shallow and not very well concealed slap at Christianity, remember that the tales of Christians and before them Jews are replete with legendary men and women of note. It isn't about monotheism versus pantheism. It's basic to all humans; a species that is on the whole psychologically messed up and viewing itself as powerless.

Oddly, only the monotheism you take a whack at has truly embraced free will and self-determination. If anything about it rankles, it is that it also embraced the concept that it comes at the price of conscience and responsibility. How dare anyone tell anyone that there's good and evil, that some actions are right and others wrong? Only as long as everything is beyond our will and absolving us of responsibility or assuring us of our righteousness over anyone telling us different or both are we alright with it.

Obsession with heroes is if anything a tacit admission of our own surrender. Only someone else can be that good, noble, and selfless. And how wrong that idea is. Heroes aren't fictional people. They're the people who don't abdicate the power and responsibility both that are free will, make the choice to be better, and follow through even if it means giving up everything they've most desired and cherished in their whole lives.

Capes and spandex optional.

I'm still holding out... (1)

B00yah (213676) | more than 8 years ago | (#13495953)

for Lobo from DC to get a movie, or at least a cameo...I doubt it will happen, but it's got to be better than Ant-Man

Woohooo Power Pack... (1)

Severious (826370) | more than 8 years ago | (#13495956)

Those comics were so good that a couple months ago I threw away the first 30 of them. Thats right, they are so awsome that I did not even bother to put them up on ebay.

I get the feeling that Marvel got a little movie money happy and sold all the rights to their good characters already. Now they are stuck trying to produce...crap.

Don't get me wrong, but what? (5, Interesting)

ReformedExCon (897248) | more than 8 years ago | (#13495959)

Just my impressions of the list:

Captain America
Didn't they do this one and it sucked?

The Avengers
A facless hero clan. I can't even name a single hero in this group.

Nick Fury
I guess because the Punisher movie worked so well...

Black Panther
Ah, a hero named after a hyper-racist group. I don't see anything wrong with that.

Ant-Man
Honey, I shrunk the superhero!

Cloak & Dagger
Not that Cloak was a completely contrived character, or that Dagger wore far too little clothing, but how could this movie possibly be interesting?

Dr. Strange
Who?

Hawkeye
Ah, Daredevil without charisma, but empowered with a ridiculous costume.

Power Pack
Never heard of them.

Shang-Chi
Is this like the token Asian guy?

I think they probably need to stick with their franchise heros and stay away from these B and C-list zeroes.

Re:Don't get me wrong, but what? (5, Funny)

Geoffreyerffoeg (729040) | more than 8 years ago | (#13495982)

Dr. Strange
Who?

Well, if they said they'd make a superhero movie about Dr. Who, I'd probably say, "Dr. Who? Strange."

The Avengers (4, Funny)

SuperBanana (662181) | more than 8 years ago | (#13496028)

The Avengers A facless hero clan. I can't even name a single hero in this group.

Uh, I take it we're not talking about John Steed and Emma Peel?

There were four good things about that movie. a)the line "How now, Brown Cow?" b)Emma in her catsuit c)her E-type Jaguar, and d)Emma in her catsuit.

Re:Don't get me wrong, but what? (2, Interesting)

qw(name) (718245) | more than 8 years ago | (#13496034)

Actually, of all the movies listed, Dr. Strange is the only one that has the possibility of being a CG boom. I always read Dr. Strange. His story is the deepest of most of the comic heroes Marvel ever produced.

Re:Don't get me wrong, but what? (2, Informative)

NiceGeek (126629) | more than 8 years ago | (#13496039)

"The Avengers
A facless hero clan. I can't even name a single hero in this group."

You just did - Captain America, Ant-Man, Hawkeye and Black Panther have all been members at one time or another (along with fair chunk of the Marvel Universe)

Re:Don't get me wrong, but what? (1)

Nimrangul (599578) | more than 8 years ago | (#13496070)

Including War Machine and Iron Man, who should both have had movies by now.

I can see the series of films already, the first about Iron Man, then him being beaten down and War Machine taking over and then Iron Man coming back.

Hey, what happened to... (5, Interesting)

shmlco (594907) | more than 8 years ago | (#13496116)

Iron Man.

And why not the Silver Surfer?

Re:Don't get me wrong, but what? (1)

bjbyrne (28514) | more than 8 years ago | (#13496150)

Captain America
Didn't they do this one and it sucked?


There was the horrible 1979 tv series movie, followed by the even worse 1991 movie. I still remember his Plexiglas shield that attached to his motorcycle.

Nick Fury
I guess because the Punisher movie worked so well...


Even worse then Captain America, the Nick Fury TV movie staring David Hasselhoff in 1998

very original, a move based on a comic book! (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 8 years ago | (#13495961)

looks like the movie industry has been tapped out
of ideas. there just is no more good writers or good movies. I hope and pray that there will be a movie revolution that will change the way movies are made and written. till then i'm stuck with bland crap. IMHO

Action heroes only (1)

MavEtJu (241979) | more than 8 years ago | (#13495963)

Captain America, The Avengers, Nick Fury, Black Panther, Ant-Man, Cloak & Dagger, Dr. Strange, Hawkeye, Power Pack and Shang-Chi.

All actions heroes, no deep story. Boring.

Re:Action heroes only (1)

Gojira Shipi-Taro (465802) | more than 8 years ago | (#13496153)

What other kind of heroes were you expecting? This is Marvel, not some Indy publishing "Love and Rockets" or some other alternative book. I understand if you like that (I personally never enjoyed it) but Main Stream (aka Profitable) comics are pretty much all action heroes.

You can't top the original Nick Fury (4, Funny)

6502_C64 (754793) | more than 8 years ago | (#13495966)

In my mind, Nick Fury will always be David Hasselhof

Re:You can't top the original Nick Fury (1)

einstienbc (825770) | more than 8 years ago | (#13496142)

Jeez Somebody remembers!

Maybe Marvel Should... (4, Insightful)

MattW (97290) | more than 8 years ago | (#13495969)

Focus more on making sure the stuff that comes out based on its IP doesn't suck, and spend less time filing frivolous lawsuits [gameshout.com] .

New compnay name (1)

Matt Perry (793115) | more than 8 years ago | (#13495973)

The company's also changing its name from Marvel Enterprises to Marvel Entertainment.
Marvelous would have been a much cooler name.

Re:New compnay name (3, Funny)

ScrewMaster (602015) | more than 8 years ago | (#13496036)

Huh. Looking at this next batch of superhero flicks I'd say that "Marveloss" would be a more apropos choice.

Dagger (2, Funny)

GuyWhoPosts (880445) | more than 8 years ago | (#13495976)

If Dagger isn't some serious eye candy, I'm not watching!

Nick Fury??? Oh Noooooooooo!!! (2, Informative)

$RANDOMLUSER (804576) | more than 8 years ago | (#13495981)

If you haven't seen David Hasselhoff as Nick Fury, Agent of S.H.I.E.L.D. [imdb.com] you haven't lived. This turkey leaves "Plan 9 From Outer Space" in the dust as the "worst film ever made". Next time SciFi Channel runs it, make a point of it. You'll have more fun having a do-it-yourself MST3000 than words can describe.

Re:Nick Fury??? Oh Noooooooooo!!! (2)

Gojira Shipi-Taro (465802) | more than 8 years ago | (#13496174)

Yea I've managed to avoid that so far. My first hint that it was crap was having David Hasslehoff anywhere near the film.

Thankfully, Marvel is dealing with production personell who have actually made hit movies in the past now, rather than doing direct to DVD crap. Still, I can't figure out how they think Power Pack or Shang-Chi are going to be hits... Iron Fist maybe...

which sucks less? (1)

jspectre (102549) | more than 8 years ago | (#13495985)

so i'm guessing out of 10 movies maybe 2 won't suck?

anyone care to guess which two?

Re:which sucks less? (1)

Rhinobird (151521) | more than 8 years ago | (#13496122)

my guess would be Captain America and Dr. Strange.

A la X-men, they can get rid of the surper silly costumes, and then like batman keep the essense of the characters and these could be potentially good movies

Re:which sucks less? (5, Funny)

GeorgeMcBay (106610) | more than 8 years ago | (#13496127)

so i'm guessing out of 10 movies maybe 2 won't suck

There you have it, folks... the most optimistic man in the world.

elektra was so awesome! (1)

toupsie (88295) | more than 8 years ago | (#13495986)

God this can only one thing, great quality straight to DVD movies!

As a non-american... (4, Insightful)

Frogbert (589961) | more than 8 years ago | (#13495990)

I never really "got" Captain America, I mean I know people can be patriotic and all but a superhero like him seems so lame to me.

Its like a Politician draping themselves in their countries flag. I mean if someone did something like that in my country, and I'm sure a few have, most people would think they were a tool.

Really I'm not flaming I just want to know why he is so popular? Did parents find buying a comic for their kids a lot easier when they knew he was fighting for American ideals?

Re:As a non-american... (3, Informative)

$RANDOMLUSER (804576) | more than 8 years ago | (#13496038)

Captain America only works in the context of World War II in Europe. His only "real" enemy was the Red Skull, who was Nazism personified. You have to think of "Cap" as a historical artifact.

Captain France? (3, Funny)

toupsie (88295) | more than 8 years ago | (#13496125)

I never really "got" Captain America, I mean I know people can be patriotic and all but a superhero like him seems so lame to me.

Well, I can completely understand from your perspective. Who would really be interested in Captain France? A guy that dresses up like a croissant, runs away from German bad guys and blames all his problems on Captain America. Would make for a short, annoying movie...

Re:Captain France? (1)

Frogbert (589961) | more than 8 years ago | (#13496160)

Well I'm not French. But I'm sure if a hero like that existed his catch phrase would be:
"But I'm le tired"

Re:Captain France? (1)

toupsie (88295) | more than 8 years ago | (#13496188)

Oh, ok. Your nick is "Frogbert" so I got the feeling you might be. We typically refer to the French as "Frogs".

Placement (1)

michaelmalak (91262) | more than 8 years ago | (#13495992)

Yeah, but will I get to see product placements of unreleased Atari videogames?

Exploiting every last dollar from the content.. (1)

Sv-Manowar (772313) | more than 8 years ago | (#13496002)

Ok, so Marvel have secured a deal for these titles, but what happens when there are no more of their series left to take to the big screen? Is it then a case of moving the porfolio onto the next media format and repeating? Surely this money would be better spent on funding original and creative films that could bring something more exciting to our screens than a remake of a comic book story. I mean, its nice being able to see the comics on the big screen, but at the expense of original works?

Screw that (3, Funny)

DoctaWatson (38667) | more than 8 years ago | (#13496005)

I want to see Spiderman 3: Enter the Stilt-Man! [spiderfan.org]

Why jump the shark when you can step over it with hydraulic lifts?

Seriously (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 8 years ago | (#13496010)

You think the current fad of comic book movies is that long-lasting? It's going to be rejected and die sooner or later, how many more movies you think are left? This just feel too much like Lethal Weapon 5 or Die Hard 6 for me.

Marvel not so hip anymore? (1)

Neo-Rio-101 (700494) | more than 8 years ago | (#13496023)

So what's up with the US comic book industry? I don't read comics anymore, so maybe someone who does can tell me or something.

The article seemed to hint that Marvel is losing out in comic books these days. Is manga taking over? What gives?

Re:Marvel not so hip anymore? (1)

tduff (904905) | more than 8 years ago | (#13496177)

No, it is just that Stan Lee started doing comics for DC.

Re:Marvel not so hip anymore? (1)

Gojira Shipi-Taro (465802) | more than 8 years ago | (#13496207)

Nah. Marvel and DC are back in a big way. THere's some signs that they're looking to repeat the big crash of the early 90's (seeing more and more alternate/incentive covers these days) but for the most part, it's much better and compelling than 10 years ago.

I just got back into buying/reading comics a couple years ago, things are pretty good right now, product wise. I just hope they don't contract retard-itis like around '93 again...

Brilliant (0)

Hao Wu (652581) | more than 8 years ago | (#13496035)


The company's also changing its name from Marvel Enterprises to Marvel Entertainment.

You know some executive worked really hard and got a bonus for that genius idea. "AT-A-BOY!"

Bad Films to be followed by Bankruptcy (1)

DumbSwede (521261) | more than 8 years ago | (#13496045)

I see lots of film flops coming our way in the next seven years. These are not the A-list characters from Marvel's holdings -- the more interesting characters have been licensed by Hollywood already. I've noticed a huge void on TV however, there are no ongoing Super-Hero shows I'm aware of. Marvel should start small and syndicate two or three shows that feature lots of the B-list heroes. Then take the characters that capture public imagination to the big screen or give them their own ongoing show.

My prediction: Marvel to go back into bankruptcy ago soon when they find out how hard it really is to make a hit movie with any kind of consistency.

Re:Bad Films to be followed by Bankruptcy (4, Funny)

MavEtJu (241979) | more than 8 years ago | (#13496151)

I see lots of film flops coming our way in the next seven years.

It's all caused by piracy! Piracy I tell you!

On lesser-known heroes (2, Insightful)

Red Flayer (890720) | more than 8 years ago | (#13496056)

Gotta love the B-list heroes -- it allows for more creative license in plot and character development. Marvel doesn't have as large of a fan base for these characters -- less people to get PO'd when they change the backstory.

That's the plus side -- maybe we'll get one or two excellent screenplays in there that will be produced and directed well.

OTOH, we've got an average budget of 52.5 million for each film. Assuming that a couple of these guys get the lion's share, that leaves us with...

B-movies!!! B-movies that don't have some silly giant snake in the jungle, or intelligent sharks (hopefully), that are marketed to your average (sub)urban potsmoker.

I, for one, welcome the return of our nerd-targeted B-Movie overlords... speaking of which, I have a plot to pitch to Marvel Entertainment...

On a more serious note, what most of the comics have in common is a clear dichotomy between right (the hero) and wrong (often protrayed as a group). Complex heroes? Unnecessary. Maybe Marvel wants to try to tap into today's youth, who are much more exposed to the boogeyman ideal of the bad guy. Or maybe I'm tired and need to go to bed, not sure.

Re:On lesser-known heroes (1)

Alphax.au (913011) | more than 8 years ago | (#13496092)

maybe we'll get one or two excellent screenplays in there that will be produced and directed well


Why not turn them into Musicals?

Re:On lesser-known heroes (2)

$RANDOMLUSER (804576) | more than 8 years ago | (#13496204)

> I, for one, welcome the return of our nerd-targeted B-Movie overlords...

Seriously, what ever happened to the Ed Wood/Roger Corman school of directing? The last really really great, lovingly trashy film I saw was Paul Verhoeven's "Starship Troopers", and that was far too long ago.

We want schlock!
We want schlock!
We want schlock!

Maybe I'm from the wrong continent (1)

JanneM (7445) | more than 8 years ago | (#13496060)

It could be I'm from a different continent or something, but I haven't heard of a single one of those characters.

It lately feels like the movie industry has collectively jumped the shark. I used to go to the movies five or six times in a normal year, and I must have seen twenty b-movies or more every year on video with friends. But the past few years there's been nothing. When the only movie I've looked forward to in the past three years is the next Harry Potter, things are not looking good.

Old Marvel Heros (1)

Yehooti (816574) | more than 8 years ago | (#13496068)

They're ignoring the geriatric crowd of moviegoers. SHAZAM! Billy Batson to Capt. Marvel--a real old Marvel hero.

Re:Old DC Hero (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 8 years ago | (#13496133)

oddly enough captain marvel is a really old dc hero

My comic book heroes.. (2, Interesting)

Resident Netizen (769536) | more than 8 years ago | (#13496075)

...are Reid Flemming and Milk and Cheese.

So I could really give a rat's @zz 'bout Captain 'Merka and his superfriends.

I was hoping for Deathlok the Demolisher (1)

Rob Carr (780861) | more than 8 years ago | (#13496080)

No, not the Robocop wannabe. I'm talking a reanimated computerized corpse with super-strenght and a human brain that takes over and constantly argues with the computer.

Okay, the rundown. (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 8 years ago | (#13496115)

Captain America,

Another one? Do they plan on making it good this time? As long as they don't use the wimpy looking actor from the credit card commercial (what was he doing, cleaning his teeth?), maybe.

The Avengers,

Which team? Oh, who cares, all of them are extremely hokey (hokier than the X-Men).

Nick Fury,

Jeez guys, you made a half-okay Punisher film, now you're going back to the prototype? You could do the tough gunman thing, but the secret agent thing? Very hard to do well.

Black Panther,

I was never a fan, but if they can avoid the temptation of blaxploitation, this might be interesting.

Ant-Man,

To quote Sonic the Hedgehog, "That's NO good."

Do a Micronauts film instead!

Cloak & Dagger,

YES! But nothing will ever beat the Dabney Coleman Atari-fest of the old, unrelated Cloak & Dagger.

Dr. Strange,

Yay. Magician. Unless they go the Dr. Orpheus (from Venture Bros.) comedy route, I'll probably be sleeping through this one.

Hawkeye,

I can't get excited about an archery movie. Can you? But if it introduces the Black Widow to the film universe, more power to them.

Power Pack

Excalibur, Alpha Flight, New Mutants (NOT X-Force), or a Morlock movie would have been a better mutie movie choice IMHO, but Power Pack could turn out _great_. Power Pack was a great book, but the family thing's been done now with Fantastic Four. As the only listed film with kids as main characters, Marvel has the chance to do a few things differently.

and Shang-Chi.

How the hell does Marvel expect to diffferentite this movie from every other movie in the martial arts arena? This has the potential for disaster, but at least there's a 50% chance it could turn out okay.

What the hell is an ant-man? I only see antman II (2, Informative)

zakezuke (229119) | more than 8 years ago | (#13496121)

http://www.marveldirectory.com/individuals/a/antma nii.htm [marveldirectory.com]

Let me paraphrase the marvel directory.

Scott Lang was an expert in electronics but for some reason couldn't make a buck. So he became a burglar but wasn't very good at it... he got caught and put in jail and got a job with some Marvel invented company that one would know if one ever bothered to read comic books. But he daughter was diagnosed with a terminal illness, probally something to do with all those green screen terminals Scott Lang was forced to used as he coudln't afford a real computer. The only doctor who can help was being helded by some other big evil company the name likely known by anyone who has bothered to read any marvel comics. So he decided to steal AntMan's outfit and magic shrinking gas. Fortunatly the real AntMan had a spair YellowJacket outfit and follows AntMan II and watches him confront the arch villin who's in the business of kidnaping doctors needed by wackos who like to dress up in costume, a common theme in the Marvel world. AntMan II rescues the good doctor who cures his daughter and just when he's about to step up and return the stupid AntMan outfit to AntMan... AntMan says he can keep it so long as he's a good boy.

Sells electronics by day, dresses up as an Ant by night... it's AntMan II!

So, from this I can establish the first AntMan was some guy with magic shrinking gas who liked to put on an ant costume get small and fight crime. And I wondered why I never really bought comic books.

Wonder Twin Movie won't happen (1)

infonography (566403) | more than 8 years ago | (#13496126)

Looks like that one won't be happening. Seems Zan (the boy) died when Wonder Woman emptied her bath water. I will leave that as a Cartoon Network in-joke.

(A note to mods, I quit mod/metamod, so I could care less how you mod me. Now I feel free like not wearing pants..... )

and while we're at it

Brainaic: for the love of god. Please all I want is a decent pair of pants

Solomon grundy: Solomon Grundy wants pants too

Lex: we have been over this. No pants for you

Brainiac and Solomon grundy: aww

New Universe Films (1)

TiggertheMad (556308) | more than 8 years ago | (#13496164)

...I didn't see any mention of making a 'Star Brand' movie...What about 'Psi-force'? Or, my personal favorite, 'Kickers, Inc.'?

We new univers fans DEMAND equal representation in this new film deal!

Re:New Universe Films (1)

Doktor Memory (237313) | more than 8 years ago | (#13496203)

We new univers fans DEMAND equal representation in this new film deal! ...both of you?

Cloak & Dagger (2, Funny)

wlovins (880111) | more than 8 years ago | (#13496168)

I don't see the need to remake Cloak & Dagger. It is one of Dabney Coleman's greatest roles aside from Hot To Trot. Ok. Bad Joke, but I'm not apologizing, and yes, I do know the comic book http://www.toonopedia.com/cloakdag.htm [toonopedia.com] .

di34 (-1, Offtopic)

Anonymous Coward | more than 8 years ago | (#13496178)

BSD sux0rs. What

The PROBLEM with American comics is... (5, Insightful)

crazyphilman (609923) | more than 8 years ago | (#13496187)

Ever since McCarthyism, they've been focused on ridiculous Superhero/Men In Tights nonsense while the rest of the world has moved on to much more interesting subject matter.

On top of that, while Japanese Manga have been giving people 150 - 200 pages of black and white comics on cheap paper for ten bucks, DC and Marvel think they can make their comics into "collectibles" and sell 15 readable pages (if you take out the ads) for over four bucks.

Hmm... Let me see... Top-notch science fiction, 200 pages for ten bucks, with NO ADS, or crappy kiddie "superman" stories at fifteen pages for four bucks... Let me think...

DC and Marvel just don't get it. They think they're competing with each other, but REALLY, they're competing with Japanese and European companies. And somebody's gonna eat their lunch. Like Masamune Shirow, Mamaru Ooshi, Enki Bilal, Giraud, or Frezzato. People who write INTERESTING, ADULT-LEVEL STORIES that don't involve thinly-disguised magical thinking and wish-fulfillment.

The American comics industry currently appeals only to little kids and adults who obsess over the current value of (I don't know) Batman #6. The collectibles market is SMALL. The entertainment market, on the other hand, is HUGE.

Just look at how much bigger Border's manga section is than their superhero section. That'll open your eyes...

Ten better films (1)

PMuse (320639) | more than 8 years ago | (#13496194)

Captain America (but should it be pro or anti)
Bullseye (Colin Farrel can do it)
Spiderman (Venom or Kraven)
Wolverine (Hugh Jackman, baby!)
Thor ...
(actually, Marvel may be out of A-list and B-list properties to develop)
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