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iPod nano, iTunes 5, iTunes Phone

Zonk posted about 9 years ago | from the lots-of-apple-to-chew dept.

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adpowers writes "Lots of updates today on the Apple front. First we have the iPod nano, which is an iPod photo-esque replacement for the iPod mini. It comes in 2 and 4 gig varieties and is half the thickness of the mini it replaces. A new iTunes is release as well, which looks similar to Mail.app. I'm not sure I like the cosmetic changes. It also touts an improved search bar, but I can't find an explanation of what that means. Finally, Apple, Motorola, and Cingular announced the ROKR E1, which has the iTunes on a cellular phone. (Theorized last week.) It syncs with iTunes just like an iPod." Coverage of the Apple news extravaganza available at The NYT, Forbes, Gizmodo, Mobiledia, and Macworld.

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but does it run... (3, Funny)

fredrickleo (711335) | about 9 years ago | (#13502084)

...well it just might :)

On first look, quite nice (5, Interesting)

aftk2 (556992) | about 9 years ago | (#13502085)

Ah...now we know why Apple's been buying up flash memory in spades.

That iPod nano looks ridiculously slick. Heh, and although I imagine I'm going to have my geek card forcibly removed after saying this, my first thought upon seeing it was, "What happened to all the colors?" Granted, it's form over function, but judging by the amount of iPod minis that I've seen, people like the colors.

Well, fear not: iPod nano tubes: [apple.com] Colorful iPod nano Tubes fit like a glove and offer full Click Wheel control from the outside. (Actually, as someone whose iPod sports an impressive amount of scrapes, I think this is a good idea.)

That Apple, they think of everything. Now I'm going to go back to waiting for my Dalmation iPod nano tube.

Re:On first look, quite nice (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 9 years ago | (#13502116)

nice ... I actually like the iTunes phone E1, if it is indeed based on the E398, it has great audio quality...

Re:On first look, quite nice (0, Flamebait)

garcia (6573) | about 9 years ago | (#13502175)

That Apple, they think of everything. Now I'm going to go back to waiting for my Dalmation iPod nano tube.

Except how to make their shit affordable. $199 for 4GB? Don't you find that a bit expensive especially when it's really meant to be an end-unit for their super successful iTMS (additional costs and perhaps even rising costs)?

Yes, it's sexy, small, and cute but 4GB doesn't do me all that much and I would constantly worry about losing it, damanging it, or out and out destroying it.

YMMV.

Re:On first look, quite nice (4, Insightful)

generic-man (33649) | about 9 years ago | (#13502207)

Look at the original debate about the iPod: $350 for 5 GB. People snapped it up as fast as they could.

Apple makes a very handsome profit on iPods. You don't have to fill them with iTMS songs (MP3s work just as well) but the pairing of iPod with iTunes now accounts for over a billion dollars annually in sales for Apple.

Re:On first look, quite nice (0, Flamebait)

garcia (6573) | about 9 years ago | (#13502224)

Apple makes a very handsome profit on iPods. You don't have to fill them with iTMS songs (MP3s work just as well) but the pairing of iPod with iTunes now accounts for over a billion dollars annually in sales for Apple.

Which is why they should be less money. Wake me up when they play video and have TV-out like the Archos.

Re:On first look, quite nice (1)

generic-man (33649) | about 9 years ago | (#13502285)

So allow me to summarize:

1. Profit!
2. ???
3. Sell iPods for less money

Apple could make a device with more features, like the Archos, but that would cost too much money for them. Why toy with a winning formula?

On second look, quite nice (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 9 years ago | (#13502251)

Then how about considering not buying it ?
Ahh. you'll get one anyway.

ps. you just havn't thought of making enough freaking money. Lazy douch.

pps. You worry too much.

Re:On first look, quite nice (5, Funny)

jellomizer (103300) | about 9 years ago | (#13502212)

That iPod nano looks ridiculously slick.

Apple marketing department wants you to say. "That iPod nano looks impossibly slick."

Re:On first look, quite nice (1)

the_mighty_$ (726261) | about 9 years ago | (#13502245)

Yep, this is great news. I'll admit that when this was first leaked [digg.com] on digg.com a few days ago, I had doubts. I wonder how that guy knew?

Re:On first look, quite nice (1)

bahwi (43111) | about 9 years ago | (#13502258)

Ah, the tubes are better than the color. My iPod mini is green with a plastic-whitish sleeve. Very protected(not a scratch, not very dirty either since I use my Apple Polish once a month at least), but now you can have the protection AND the colors. Awesome. =)

Grr, gotta save up the money now, and trim my portable playlist to 4gigs(barely at 4.2 though, and I can do without a few audiobooks)

Re:On first look, quite nice (1)

kaos.geo (587126) | about 9 years ago | (#13502331)

4GB doesnt cut it for me, 6GB is just about right for my music collection. (plus some podcasts)
The colors.... well I Agree with the first poster, people LIKE the colors and most likely you will see an ipod nano with colors or mini nano or whatever they choose to call it. (and also 6gb or MORE) apple is just testing the waters with this one.
Tubes, socks and the like are (IMHO) uncomfortable and unnecesary unless you are a little anal (ok a LOT) because this is , in the end, a PORTABLE device. To be enjoyed!!! not to be kept in blankets.
Ok those were my 2 cents.

No more apples for me (2, Interesting)

DrCode (95839) | about 9 years ago | (#13502358)

My experience with my daughter's Ipod Mini has not been overwhelmingly positive:

On Windows XP, syncing to it in ITunes (via USB) causes Windows to reboot about half the time.

On Linux, syncing more than a few songs at a time (in gtkpod) causes a bunch of hardware errors, resulting in the partition being set to read-only. (So I guess Linux is a little more robust in dealing with hardware problems.)

Re:On first look, quite nice (-1, Offtopic)

chewties (879407) | about 9 years ago | (#13502370)

I thought the armband was a cock ring at first glance. I'm sorely disappointed.

Flash or HDD based? (1)

alexre1 (662339) | about 9 years ago | (#13502093)

Anyone know if the Ipod Nano is flash based? I can't find any mention of it on the Apple website (or maybe I'm just blind...) It'd be wicked if it was flash based, then I wouldn't feel nervous every time I went jogging =)

Re:Flash or HDD based? (5, Informative)

MasterOfUniverse (812371) | about 9 years ago | (#13502137)

Yes, its flash. Look here http://www.apple.com/ipodnano/specs.html [apple.com] at the bottom Technical Specifications: iPod nano.

Re:Flash or HDD based? (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 9 years ago | (#13502296)

Samsung NAND flash

Re:Flash or HDD based? (1)

Ingolfke (515826) | about 9 years ago | (#13502178)

Anyone know if the Ipod Nano is flash based?

Actually I think it may use 1/8 of an inch tape.

Re:Flash or HDD based? (1)

TrevX (617474) | about 9 years ago | (#13502197)

Its completely flash based. You can find the technical specs here. [apple.com]

Trev

iHuh? (5, Funny)

Doc Ruby (173196) | about 9 years ago | (#13502094)

"ROKR E1"? Why didn't they call it an iPhone, probably the best name among all of Apple's products? Maybe they let Motorola, which usually prefers unpronouncable alphanumeric soup, pick the name.

Re:iHuh? (3, Insightful)

ceejayoz (567949) | about 9 years ago | (#13502142)

Considering Motorola makes and sells the phone, it's not surprising that Motorola gets to name it.

It's not particularly nice looking, either, so Apple probably wouldn't want their style of name on it regardless.

Re:iHuh? (1)

necro2607 (771790) | about 9 years ago | (#13502187)

The model number is actualy E790, not E1 ... "ROKR" is the user-friendly marketing-devised name for it, of course.

Re:iDuh (2, Insightful)

saddino (183491) | about 9 years ago | (#13502196)

Because it's not an Apple product.

It's a Motorola/Cingular product that has an exclusive license.

(and regardless, according to the USPTO, the IPHONE trademark is live for at least two registered companies—both marks involve phones, natch— so Apple's claim to such a mark is tenuous)

Re:iHuh? (1)

Winterblink (575267) | about 9 years ago | (#13502199)

Say it like it's spelled. ROKR="rocker". What's so unpronouncable about that? It's part of Motorola's new naming scheme, to have only four letter hip-sounding names for their gear. And it's not hurting their bottom line, so yay for them.

Re:iHuh? (2, Insightful)

That's Unpossible! (722232) | about 9 years ago | (#13502266)

The names RAZR and ROKR are most likely nods to the text-messaging practice of SHRTNING WRDS 2 TXT QUIKR.

Re:iHuh? (0)

athakur999 (44340) | about 9 years ago | (#13502228)

I agree, it's a crap name. At least the "RAZR" can be pronounced as "razor" which is marginally cool sounding.

What's this gonna be, the "roker"? The mental image of a formerly grossly overweight television personality doesn't quite fit the image of a sleek new mobile phone.

Re:iHuh? (2, Interesting)

pavon (30274) | about 9 years ago | (#13502279)

The design of the phone doesn't match any of Apples other products either. When I heard Motorolla was building it, I expected a white RAZR [motorola.com] which would be more in keeping with the current iPods and the rest of the iSomething line of products.

This is just, well ... boring. The ROKR E1 design is definately not up to the "shit your pants" standard that Apple has worked hard to acheive.

Re:iHuh? (5, Funny)

bmeteor (167631) | about 9 years ago | (#13502345)

MOTO has a bit of a BRND IMGE now with TKNG five or six LTTR WRDS, removing a VOWL or two, capitalizing it and GTNG a PRDCT name. Obviously referring to the halo model, the RAZR.

Seriously though, I'd expect a ROKR E2 soon, in a RAZR design. That'd be sweet.

No firewire, USB 2.0 (3, Interesting)

ce25254 (25706) | about 9 years ago | (#13502096)

Nano spec says USB 2.0 only -- and no firewire -- this means I don't think I can plug it into my MDD PowerMac. :-(

Re:No firewire, USB 2.0 (2, Informative)

justforaday (560408) | about 9 years ago | (#13502156)

Since it has a dock connector, I'm assuming that you just need to get a firewire/dock cable. They more or less ditched firewire as the stock connector when they switched to color screens on the regular lineup a few months ago.

Re:No firewire, USB 2.0 (5, Informative)

ashpool7 (18172) | about 9 years ago | (#13502215)

Look at the requirements on the tech specs page. Under "connectivity" it does not mention firewire. However, under Power and Battery it says: "Charging via USB or FireWire to computer system or power adapter"

So, who knows.

Re:No firewire, USB 2.0 (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 9 years ago | (#13502299)

This is old news. Apple stopped shipping firewire cables with iPods and defaulted to just USB 2.0. The Nano uses the same dock connector as everyone else, so you can use your same old dock or firewire cable.

Re:No firewire, USB 2.0 (1)

ashpool7 (18172) | about 9 years ago | (#13502347)

Stopped shipping is much different than stopped supporting. And charging via firewire cable is much different than firewire connectivity.

Re:No firewire, USB 2.0 (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 9 years ago | (#13502217)

It says it can charge via Firewire but I'm not sure about file transfer.

Re:No firewire, USB 2.0 (1)

zfractal (170078) | about 9 years ago | (#13502260)

I think the MDD actually *does* have USB 2.0 (at least some models do), it's just that the OS X drivers don't support that specific USB chipset. I think someone had created some drivers that supposedly got them working a couple of years ago.

There's some information here about it. [xlr8yourmac.com]

Re:No firewire, USB 2.0 (1)

ce25254 (25706) | about 9 years ago | (#13502306)

Thanks for the info. Alas, my machine is FW400. Anyway I think I'll wait until I see what next year brings before I think about upgrading...

itunes interface (1)

godawful (84526) | about 9 years ago | (#13502100)

yeah, i'm not too sure about this one either..

but more pressing, the itunes note is still green?!

we've had blue. and purple, and i forget what else.. i figured at least a white or a silver..

just ordered on in black (5, Funny)

OctoberSky (888619) | about 9 years ago | (#13502104)

No I am not a apple whore, I get the education discount (which they didn't ask for?). I was going to order a regular 20gig last week but knew something was coming out today so I looked, liked, liked price, and ordered.

Free engraving on back...

RIAA v OctberSky
Exhibit: A

Obligatory Strongbad Plug (3, Funny)

Nuclear Elephant (700938) | about 9 years ago | (#13502113)

iPod nano, which is an iPod photo-esque replacement for the iPod mini

I can see strongbad promoting these now. "It's not just photo-esque. It's danger-esque."

mork and mindy ref? (0)

bad_outlook (868902) | about 9 years ago | (#13502118)

Will apple use the ubiquitous Mork from Mork and Mindy to halk the 'nano', as in 'nano, neano' as Mork would say. As for the r0k3r, why did they go with such a dumb name? iPhone was obvious, so why the confusing phrasing? Will APple become too big and be the 'next google' on /.? Stay tuned...

t3h r0k3r? (1)

game kid (805301) | about 9 years ago | (#13502216)

As for the r0k3r, why did they go with such a dumb name?

Oh, don't be so hard on it. Soon it'll tell its owners what's going on around the country and what's happening in your neck of the woods.

Pico (1)

dhasenan (758719) | about 9 years ago | (#13502242)

Nah, it's not Mork and Mindy that they're remembering, but the commonly used, unsung GNU applications. Next we'll see the iPod lsof, I think, followed by the grep.

iPod nano (5, Funny)

game kid (805301) | about 9 years ago | (#13502120)

Thick as a pencil and much more fun.1

1 Do not nervously bite iPod nano.

Uhh, yeah (1)

killtherat (177924) | about 9 years ago | (#13502121)

Last week they promised a change as big as the original iPod announcement. But somehow I am very underwelmed.
I guess it's those unrealistic hopes for a video iPod

iTunes phone (0)

millahtime (710421) | about 9 years ago | (#13502124)

The iTunes phone comes wtih just enough storage for 100 songs.

Quicktime 7 for Win (5, Informative)

GreyedOut (771495) | about 9 years ago | (#13502129)

With iTunes 5 also comes Quicktime 7 [apple.com] for Windows.

It's a shame about Cingular (2, Interesting)

fredrickleo (711335) | about 9 years ago | (#13502140)

Just yesterday I was reading about how crap Cingular service is. You'd think they would have just released the phone and allowed the customer to choose a carrier.

Re:It's a shame about Cingular (1)

mbrod (19122) | about 9 years ago | (#13502214)

Hopefully other companies are not far behind. Cingular tried to rip me off more than any other company I have ever dealt with.

6 months of dealing with them and the Better Business Bureau, so much fun...

Re:It's a shame about Cingular (1)

falcon5768 (629591) | about 9 years ago | (#13502343)

unfortunatly the reason cingular is the service is because the others (Verizon for example) have their own iTunes esk service waiting to come out.

Course this might all change if the younger set starts flocking to cingular in droves to get one.

Obligatory (-1, Troll)

Anonymous Coward | about 9 years ago | (#13502149)

No video. Less space than a mini. Lame.

iPod nano (4, Funny)

mfender9 (725994) | about 9 years ago | (#13502150)

No video. Thicker than a human hair. Lame.

Re:iPod nano (3, Funny)

Ubergrendle (531719) | about 9 years ago | (#13502253)

Its not even as good as the iPod Flea [nytimes.com] .

Odd... (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 9 years ago | (#13502155)

Headphone jack on the bottom? Odd.

Anyone else notice that all of the iTunes screenshots on Apple's site are now for the Windows, rather than the Mac version?

http://www.apple.com/itunes/ [apple.com]

Re:Odd... (2, Informative)

ModernGeek (601932) | about 9 years ago | (#13502288)

I think it detects what your OS is, and then shows either the mac or windows version. I'm on my mac mini right now, and the screenshot is of the mac version.

Re:Odd... (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 9 years ago | (#13502310)

Unfortunately that is the Mac version as well.

Apple wrote iTunes 4 as a Carbon app and did a braindead port to Windows using Quicktime, whose Windows API is what Carbon was originally based upon. The result was an application that really felt out of place.

iTunes 5 is completely rewritten as a Windows application, with Winelib used for the Mac version. The downside is that the Mac version has a few UI glitches too, such as menus on the tops of windows rather than at the top of the screen. Jobs was keen that Windows users get a familiar experience, and felt priority should be given to them as long as Windows is the system with the higher market share, which is remarkably pragmatic really.

Re:Odd... (0, Offtopic)

Nick of NSTime (597712) | about 9 years ago | (#13502368)

That is singlehandedly the most well-thought-out troll post ever. My hat is off to you, Mr. AC.

Re:Odd... (1)

bullitB (447519) | about 9 years ago | (#13502353)

Anyone else notice that all of the iTunes screenshots on Apple's site are now for the Windows, rather than the Mac version?

It changes, depending on which browser you use. In Safari they show Mac screenshots. I'd bet in IE they show Windows screenshots.

My wallet is becoming as thin as the nano... (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 9 years ago | (#13502158)

...from all the iPods I keep buying.

New Search (4, Informative)

godawful (84526) | about 9 years ago | (#13502162)

The new search is kinda snazzy, type a few letters and you get a little bar that lets you narrow it down by all, music, audiobooks,pod casts, videos, booklets, etc etc, certainly helpful for those with large catalogs

Re:New Search (1)

AddressException (187785) | about 9 years ago | (#13502305)

The new search is kinda snazzy

Wow, you actually managed to download a copy of iTunes 5 before the servers melted down?

And Next Week... (0, Offtopic)

SpeedBump0619 (324581) | about 9 years ago | (#13502167)

The IPod Flea [metacafe.com]

Photos and Video of ROKR Link Here (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 9 years ago | (#13502168)

More like a Shuffle (5, Informative)

That's Unpossible! (722232) | about 9 years ago | (#13502177)

This thing replaces the ipod mini, no doubt, but really it's more the size/weight of a shuffle... very sweet. It's THINNER than the shuffle fer chrissakes!

Size comparison:

Shuffle: 3.3 x 0.98 x 0.33
Nano: 3.5 x 1.6 x 0.27
iPod: 4.1 x 2.4 x 0.63

Weight comparison:

Shuffle: .78 ounce
Nano: 1.5 ounces
iPod: 5.9 ounces

We have to ban it! (1)

convex_mirror (905839) | about 9 years ago | (#13502183)

These Apple nanos are going to replicate out of control and turn us all into grey goo! Or kinda whitish goo, I guess.

Re:We have to ban it! (1)

zev1983 (792397) | about 9 years ago | (#13502325)

If the white and black models replicate in equal numbers then it will indeed look grey from a distance. Though this is disregarding the silver back, and the lit screen...

Theorized? (3, Funny)

pipegeek (624626) | about 9 years ago | (#13502185)

(Theorized last week.)

It's been theorized? Awesome! I've been waiting for one of these that could play Ogg...

Wireless. Smaller size than a Shuffle. (1)

Hawthorne01 (575586) | about 9 years ago | (#13502186)

Lame. :-)

Given that cingular.com is getting crushed right now, I'd say that the iTunes Phone will be a hit. Personally, I was hoping for a higher-res camera, as I want a 4-1 gadget to take with me (Phone, PDA, iPod, camera). Looks like I'll have to wait longer.

Thank God (1, Funny)

Anonymous Coward | about 9 years ago | (#13502188)

I was glad Apple chose to give us the iPod nano. The prototype iPod Emacs and iPod vi just didn't look as slick.

Ut Oh! (1)

databyss (586137) | about 9 years ago | (#13502191)

First a hurricane, followed by massive flooding and destruction. Then a volcano busting through Oregon, now this?!?!?!

The dark lord satan shall soon walk the earth!

Commentary also available on the Apple Blog (0, Offtopic)

ickoonite (639305) | about 9 years ago | (#13502193)

Commentary on the new releases today can also be found over here [theappleblog.com] on The Apple Blog [theappleblog.com] .

iqu :)

nano comes in black (2)

justforaday (560408) | about 9 years ago | (#13502198)

The nano comes in both white and black (see here [apple.com] and click the "black" link under the picture). Gotta say that it does look pretty nice.

Re:nano comes in black (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 9 years ago | (#13502238)

On the 'Tech Specs' page, click on iPod Nano, it'll lead you to buy iPod Mini. Whoah?

Does iTunes 5 fix volume adjustment? (2, Interesting)

imputor (841598) | about 9 years ago | (#13502204)

Does iTunes 5 fix the issue where volume adjustment settings aren't transfered over to the iPod? A quiet song forces you to turn up the volume, and followed by a loud song, this can blow your eardrums! The only thing I truly HATE about my iTunes/iPod.

Headphone jack (1)

nicedream (4923) | about 9 years ago | (#13502208)

WHY is it on the bottom? Otherwise, this would be perfect!

Re:Headphone jack (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 9 years ago | (#13502252)

It's designed for runners, if you have the jack on the bottom, and you using an armband... lift your shoulder and you see the screen correctly. One gripe that other players didnt think of.

Re:Headphone jack (1)

Ionizer7 (814098) | about 9 years ago | (#13502267)

It is designed to utilized the lanyard headphones. It hangs like a shuffle.

Re:Headphone jack (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 9 years ago | (#13502342)

because it was designed to hang upside down?

Ipod photo is already small enough (1)

Willy on Wheels (889645) | about 9 years ago | (#13502211)

I have a 60GB ipod photo, and the screen is very small, just enough to view small thumbnails of my photos, but this nano appears to be too small to actually view anything. Expect this to fail hard and hopefully apple will next time to bring out the ipod jumbo.

iPhone looks like ass (1)

ilmdba (84076) | about 9 years ago | (#13502221)


what did dell design it or something?

Re:iPhone looks like ass (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 9 years ago | (#13502326)

no, just Motorola.

To use a baseball analogy... (1)

winkydink (650484) | about 9 years ago | (#13502223)

I see this as much more of a single than a home run.

The phone. If I could run iTunes on my phone and download somge over-the-air directly to it, that would be a potential killer app.

iTunes version 5. I'm sure it has some nifty ne features, but it's just a new release of existing software.

iPod nano. It's cool. Cooler that what it replaces. They'll sell a bunch. It's not terribly innovative though.

I have to hand it to Apple (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 9 years ago | (#13502225)

I have to give those Apple engineers credit. Somehow they always seem to evoke the "I want one of those" response out of me....

too small (0, Redundant)

joerdie (816174) | about 9 years ago | (#13502230)

This thing is too small. My samsung 1 gig is tiny, but nothing compaired to this. Have pant makers started making pockets smaller? Why would you need something this small. p.s. they still have not fixed the battery issues! i expected that "big announcement" from apple to be a removable lithium ion..... not happy.

Apple, Please improve your Beta system! (2, Interesting)

frostilicus2 (889524) | about 9 years ago | (#13502232)

I think that I have just discovered an "undocumented feature" in iTunes 5 :

when "show duplicate songs" is selected from the edit menu, non-duplicate songs are displayed if the track name and artist are identical in both tracks. Surely it would be a better idea to calculate an md5 checksum or perhaps use CDDB data in order to prevent this.
I would have thought that this issue should be obvious...

Apple & Motorola Press Releases (2, Informative)

necro2607 (771790) | about 9 years ago | (#13502237)

Press releases here, for those interested in more detailed information..

Apple iPod nano [apple.com]
Apple iTunes phone [apple.com]
Motorola ROKR [motorola.com]

Thank goodness! (3, Funny)

ChePibe (882378) | about 9 years ago | (#13502239)

My iPod Mini is just so large, bulky, and thick! It's about time Apple did something to make audio players small and portable!

ROKR questions (5, Interesting)

Johnny Mnemonic (176043) | about 9 years ago | (#13502244)


  • Why can't you sync iTunes via BlueTooth, since the phone actually has BT? First the mini mouse, now this.
  • Will this phone be a full iSync citizen, or at least as much as other Moto phones? via BT?
  • Can you use this phone as a Cell modem? Via BT? And why is it not EDGE capable?
  • Can you sync photos via iPhoto?
  • Can you purchase ringtones via iTunes?
I wish this was more of an iPhone, with the above features, than just some phone with iTunes slapped on it. As it is, it looks pretty half-baked, and I'm sorry to see Apple endorse it. I think I'm holding out until v 2.0 at least.

itunes 5 (1)

jatemack (870255) | about 9 years ago | (#13502247)

is a 32mb file download. Good God, isn't that a lot bigger than past versions?

unanswered questions (1)

parawing742 (646604) | about 9 years ago | (#13502259)

1. Will it play regular MP3s, etc like the other iPods or just iTunes music?
4. Is there USB2.0 support? 512MB at 1.1 speeds will take a long time to transfer.
2. How much for additional memory cards?
3. How much for the phone?

Re:unanswered questions (1, Informative)

Anonymous Coward | about 9 years ago | (#13502328)

There is alot more details here:
http://direct.motorola.com/hellomoto/ROKR/ [motorola.com]

1. MIDI, MP3, WAV, and AAC (but they must be trasfered through the iTunes software)
2. Only 1.1. Pity, because it will take over an hour to fill with music.
3. About $100 for 512MB
4. $249.99 with two year contract

Questionable success (1)

bennini (800479) | about 9 years ago | (#13502264)

Im really wondering how successful this iPod/Phone mix is actually going to be. The main reason the iPod was so successful was because it was the best of its class. It aimed to do one thing..and it did it perfectly. This new phone/mp3 player combo does not excel in any category. Out of the box it only supports 100 songs. Even the 100 dollar iPod Shuffle supports more than that. People are going to decide between A) buying a cheap family phone that costs 1 with a new plan PLUS a standalone ipod that can hold hundreds if not thousands of songs and B) a new phone that costs $250 and play 100 songs + whatever $35 for an extra memory card to turn it into a decent mp3 player. Success in europe? don't even count on it...it doesnt even support 3G. Throw in the fact that its bulky and has a name that no one will ever be able to pronounce without possibly regurgitating their lunch...the "iPod Phone" (im sure thats what EVERYONE is going to be calling it) is probably not going to be as successful as hoped.

Disappointing phone (2, Informative)

AC-x (735297) | about 9 years ago | (#13502265)

Rather then a new take on the mobile phone Apple are simply peddling an average Motorola phone that just happens to be preloaded with an iTunes player. It doesn't even look any good (especially compared to the V3). They may as well have just made a java version of iTunes player.

On the other hand iPod nano looks pretty cool (good in black as well), be interesting to see inside one of them (hopefully pictures should appear any moment :), I'd guess it still uses CF media but that's practically the entire height of the unit.

ROKR E1 (2, Informative)

Sarcastic Assassin (788575) | about 9 years ago | (#13502289)

Is it just me, or does anyone else detest the styling of the ROKR E1? If Motorola can release something as slick as the Razr (even if they can't spell it right), you'd think they'd be able to at least make it look nicer than some crap phone from three or four years ago. I personally think the iTunes phone would be better as a clamshell design, or some other, more crazy design I have yet to imagine... However, the phone seems to be multifunctional, allowing you to store music and data, to the tune (pun intended) of 512MB of total storage (from what I can gather from the FAQ [apple.com] ) Apple definitely deserves props for the iPod nano. Wow, that thing looks amazing... Also, props to Apple for delivering what looks like a great new iTunes release.

audio quality? (5, Interesting)

TheGratefulNet (143330) | about 9 years ago | (#13502301)

I wonder how it will compare to the ipod shuffle.

I didn't believe it until I got one (as a gift) but the shuffle has the best audio quality I've heard short of an external DAC into an spdif stream. its noisy (biased transistors in output stage?) but it has actual bass and enough drive to power headphones without distorting.

if this nano has the same audio or better, it will blow the market away for those that CARE about sound as well as the features of the player.

iTunes Linux Support (5, Funny)

bosewicht (805330) | about 9 years ago | (#13502318)

If Apple wants to be really shocking they should start supporting Linux. There is a growing market out there that they are just ignoring.

Re-releasing the same products... (1, Troll)

Anubis333 (103791) | about 9 years ago | (#13502319)

Apple and Nintendo do this a lot. They release the same products over and over again, with identical functionalities, hoping that people will be vain or stylish enough to want something that looks sleeker. I mean look at Nintendo, they have released how many Gameboy Advance systems (3?) all with the same exact functionality. Apple has released how many iPods? A company that claims to innovate, while many, many competitors have been releasing music *and* video players for almost 4 years now *for cheaper than apple's music only players*..

It's the same with entertainment media formats. I like a movie, but to see it at home I need the DVD, to watch it on my PSP I need the UMD, etc..

I wonder if the ROKR can use the same cable.. (2, Interesting)

VitrosChemistryAnaly (616952) | about 9 years ago | (#13502344)

...as the iPod?

'Cause if it can then I can use my computer to charge my phone and my current iPod car charger to charge the phone

Then I wouldn't have to buy any accessories!

Are the smart playlists less dumb? (1)

Incadenza (560402) | about 9 years ago | (#13502359)

Currently downloading the new iTunes at 2KB/sec (this brings back memories of modem days) but I wonder: any improvement in the smart playlists?

I really would like to have functionality such as 'play songs that I added over a year ago, and songs that I added just last week, plus the latest Brainwashed podcast'. Currently the only way to do this is by nesting your smart playlists, for a smart playlist is either 'any of the criteria' or 'all of the criteria'. There is more to Boolean logic Steve!

Oh, and while were on it, album-aware smart playlists would be great too. Just because Apple sells separate tracks doesn't mean that I want half an album chopped off when I limit my playlist in time or space.

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