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Seagate Momentus 120GB 2.5" HD

CmdrTaco posted more than 8 years ago | from the i'll-tell-you-where-to-stick-it dept.

Data Storage 174

VL writes "A mobile user can never have enough storage space, so we checkout Seagate's latest solution for notebooks. Seagate's warranty is among the best I've seen at five years, which is much better than the one year or so that comes with laptops (and thus their hard drives) or the three years offered by others. Performance is what this drive is targeted to excel at, an it seems to do so fairly well. In our tests we saw it do markedly better than the Hitachi drive in most tests that focused on performance. Battery life was slightly lower than that of the Hitachi drive but within 2% of that drive. "

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174 comments

Trip master Monkey (-1, Offtopic)

Anonymous Coward | more than 8 years ago | (#13531107)

In the name of Trip Master Monkey, I claim this first post. HoooooooWaH! Slap my ass and call me Susan!!!

A TripMaster Monkey cult? (-1, Flamebait)

CyricZ (887944) | more than 8 years ago | (#13531139)

Are you the leader of a TripMaster Monkey worship cult? Has a merger with the GNAA been considered?

Next story... (1)

lolocaust (871165) | more than 8 years ago | (#13531384)

Apple buys entire inventory of drives. Unless i'm thinking of a different size of drives...

Wewt (4, Interesting)

Kawahee (901497) | more than 8 years ago | (#13531116)

Well it looks like I'll be able to buy one of these for my external USB HDD interface. This technology has applications everywhere, although I think hard disk drives are about to go boom and then bust, as evidenced by the 500gb beast we just saw on /., up from a 300gb HDD. +200gb in a few months? We need a Moore's law for HDDs.

Re:Wewt (5, Funny)

GNUALMAFUERTE (697061) | more than 8 years ago | (#13531193)

There is a law for hardrives, the Murphy's law :)

Re:Wewt (1)

toddestan (632714) | more than 8 years ago | (#13531453)

Well it looks like I'll be able to buy one of these for my external USB HDD interface. This technology has applications everywhere, although I think hard disk drives are about to go boom and then bust, as evidenced by the 500gb beast we just saw on /., up from a 300gb HDD. +200gb in a few months? We need a Moore's law for HDDs.

Actually harddrives already went boom and bust. From 1GB to 120GB took no time at all, but from 400GB to 500GB took almost a year.

120GB MP3 Player (2, Funny)

meehawl (73285) | more than 8 years ago | (#13531126)

Wow. I know what's going into my trusty old Archos [rockbox.org] mp3 player real soon now...

Re:120GB MP3 Player (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 8 years ago | (#13531177)

I wanna see you filling 120GB of music through a USB 1.1 interface ;)
My trusty KCalc says that would be around 24hs...

Re:120GB MP3 Player (1)

wed128 (722152) | more than 8 years ago | (#13531223)

but you'd only need to do it once...

Re:120GB MP3 Player (2, Interesting)

plumby (179557) | more than 8 years ago | (#13531315)

I can pretty much guarantee you wouldn't do it in one go. I completely reloaded my mp3 player with around 45GB of music (via USB 2) the other week. It got so hot that I ended up doing in about 4 stints (I think it was around 1-2 hours actual copying time, but it took me around 6 hours in total).

Re:120GB MP3 Player (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 8 years ago | (#13532027)

He's probably got the time.
Two or three hours here. Two or three there...

Within a month, he'll be deleting stuff to make space for new downloaded stuff.

How the hell much music can people use? (1)

John Jorsett (171560) | more than 8 years ago | (#13531192)

120GB MP3 Player

This isn't a personal attack on you, but your post brings up something I've been wondering about recently: unless you rip your music at ultra-high sampling rates, 120 GB is from 41 to 83 days of music. Can anyone even find that much stuff that they want to listen to?

Re:How the hell much music can people use? (1)

neverutterwhen (813161) | more than 8 years ago | (#13531239)

Portable music players are useful for backing up data. Especially photos.

Re:How the hell much music can people use? (1)

r2q2 (50527) | more than 8 years ago | (#13531240)

I think you could. Downloading whole discographys from bittorrent and audiobooks I believe that you could do it. It might take awhile though.

Re:How the hell much music can people use? (0, Redundant)

JanneM (7445) | more than 8 years ago | (#13531349)

Downloading whole discographys from bittorrent and audiobooks I believe that you could do it.

Whole discographies? I'm as guilty of fanboyism as the next guy, but seriously, I have a hard time thinking of any band or artist (whose discography is longer than a couple of hit singles) where you actually would want to _listen_ - as opposed to, well, just have - more than half of their output.

And since files are so transient, there isn't the same point of having as you did with CDs or records. If, at some point, you feel you just have to hear "A Saucerful Of Secrets" again, if nothing else just to make sure it's as bad as you remember, then you can dig out that burnt CD in the back of your closet or download it.

I'm with the original poster - I don't think there is a month+ of music out there that I want to hear.

Audiobooks are a bit different of course, but there too, there's a limit to how many books I not only like, but that I like enough (and that fits the media well enough) to keep focus over ten hours or so of someone reading it to me. And it's of course pretty pointless to rip audiobooks at th esame high quality you do for music; at 32Kbits mp3 (or half that for Ogg) it is still perfectly fine, and still enjoyable at half that.

Re:How the hell much music can people use? (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 8 years ago | (#13531485)

Stop listening to pop music, and you'll find an artist with 70-80% of music worth listening to. oh and lossless music geeks will love the space.

Re:How the hell much music can people use? (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 8 years ago | (#13531258)

At least with my iRiver h320, I can put films on there as well.

120GB would be quite a lot of films. At the H320-compatible format/compression that's about 100 hours of video.

Portable films, or possibly portable pr0n...

Re:How the hell much porn can people use? (3, Funny)

Allistair (539971) | more than 8 years ago | (#13531386)

100 hours of porn.? Who really needs more than 10 to 15 minutes?

Re:How the hell much porn can people use? (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 8 years ago | (#13531495)

About 45 seconds suffices for me.

Re:How the hell much music can people use? (4, Insightful)

Transmogrify_UK (902981) | more than 8 years ago | (#13531272)

I travel fairly often and have a pretty extensive music collection on record and CD (around 1000 CDs and about half that of records). I personally like to have ALL or as much of this music with me whenever possible. My MP3 player is only a 20 gig Creative Zen, however I would like a larger capacity player, simply because I could then store all or most of my music (should I get round to ripping it all).

When I do travel, it tends to be for months at a time rather than a couple of weeks and so it's not practical carrying 1000 CDs and 500 records.

It's not about listening to 40 days continuous music but having the music to hand.

Currently I know there's always going to be a time when I want to listen to a particular song or band and I don't have it with me. Had my MP3 player had a 120 gig hard drive, then I know I could take all my music with me.

Re:How the hell much music can people use? (3, Interesting)

plumby (179557) | more than 8 years ago | (#13531293)

At the moment 120 would probably be more than I need, but I will more than fill up my 60GB player when I've finished ripping my CDs. The 41-83 days thing is a bit of a red herring TBH. I'm not planning on sitting down and listening to my entire collection from beginning to end, but I have it on random most of the time and it's great to have that much variety for it to chose from. Also, when I go on holiday, it's handy not to try to guess up front what music I'm likely to be in the mood for during the trip.

Re:How the hell much music can people use? (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 8 years ago | (#13531334)

It's a MP3 Player/external hard drive. Put whatever on there. Back up your computer. If you just want to store music on it, you should get a flash player. :)

Re:How the hell much music can people use? (1)

antic (29198) | more than 8 years ago | (#13531402)


It's not about continuous music, but about hoarding. How many people that you know back up their downloads in case they might ever need them again?

Re:How the hell much music can people use? (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 8 years ago | (#13531848)

Dude, the internet IS the backup.

Sven Väth Mixes (2, Funny)

meehawl (73285) | more than 8 years ago | (#13531549)

120 GB is from 41 to 83 days of music

Obviously, you are not familiar with some of Sven Väth's longer mixes...

Re:120GB MP3 Player (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 8 years ago | (#13531620)

forget mp3 players! 120 gigs on my mac mini! sweet!

How much heat do these drives produce? (3, Interesting)

CyricZ (887944) | more than 8 years ago | (#13531127)

How much heat do these drives produce? I had a laptop with a 60 GB drive, 4200 RPM, and it would heat up like a mutha.

Re:How much heat do these drives produce? (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 8 years ago | (#13531155)

2.2W max [seagate.com]

I was thinking in more practical terms. (1)

CyricZ (887944) | more than 8 years ago | (#13531169)

I was thinking more in terms of a user's experience, not quantitatively. In a typical consumer-grade laptop, will you be able to feel it through the casing? If you use the laptop on your lap, will you feel the heat from the hard drive on your genitalia?

Re:How much heat do these drives produce? (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 8 years ago | (#13531327)

I'm interested in this question as well.

After upgrading my wifes PB to Tiger it has been having serious heat issues. Whether this is from more work being off loaded to the GPU or Spotlight causing more drive activity no one seems to know for sure. I've turned off Spotlight and it hasn't helped.

Its 867mhz with 512MB, it had problems with heat issues with 10.3.9 as well but they were weekly instead of daily.

I've contemplated maxing out the ram and putting in a 7200rpm 16MB Hitachi drive, thinking there will be less disk access and even though at 7200rpm it will have higher peak watts it will spend less time at peak and produce less sustained heat and less heat overall.

Any thoughts on this?

Re:How much heat do these drives produce? (2, Informative)

CyricZ (887944) | more than 8 years ago | (#13531441)

You should be careful not to overload the laptop's power supply. I recall a co-worker putting (if you can image this) 8 10000 RPM SCSI drives into a single Sun SPARCstation box. Somehow he wired it up, and turned on the machine. All of a sudden the power cable connecting the drives together started melting, and burst into flames. Even though he unplugged the system quickly, the power surge still severely damaged the mother board. Destroyed the SCSI controller completely.

Re:How much heat do these drives produce? (1)

tdsanchez (15549) | more than 8 years ago | (#13531791)

I don't know how relevant this will be to your setup, but I have a 2004 1Ghz iBook that shipped with a 30GB, 4200 RPM Hitachi drive. I replaced it with a Hitachi 60GB, 7200 RPM drive with 2MB of cache. I think the max power consumption went up 15% and the average power by a comparable amount. As a result, I get significantly better performance, and, a much warmer iBook. Since overall memory latency is reduced (less time waiting for swap), one would expect performance to increase, but since the CPU and memory subsystems also work harder, they generate more heat as a side effect. When under constant load (>90% CPU usage, constant disk access), my internal temps can reach 150F+, but normal usage (such as while I type this), I'm sitting at just under 130F. Since the case is plastic, heat transfer is minimized to the detriment the iBook and the benefit of my lap. It's tolerable, but I don't have it on my lap most of the time. :)

Biased review (5, Insightful)

LynXmaN (4317) | more than 8 years ago | (#13531138)

Comparing two 4200rpm drives against the Seagate running at 5400rpm will always make the Seagate a winner.
It'll become a second natural that a drive spinning faster will consume more energy, even if it's just a bit more than this drive.
I'm not saying this Seagate drive is excellent (reading the specs it really makes me drool) but maybe benchmark testers should do tests with some more "au pair" drives.

Re:Biased review (2, Insightful)

GeffDE (712146) | more than 8 years ago | (#13531647)

Not necessarily true. Most laptop drives that one can purchase only run at 4200 rpm for the reason you state: they consume less energy. What is remarkable about the Seagate drive is that it runs at 5400 rpm while maintaining a similar energy consumption to a 4200 rpm drive. Its more hard drive bang for your energy buck.

I have a 200 gb seagate drive (0, Troll)

Anonymous Coward | more than 8 years ago | (#13531154)

It is 2.5 inches thick.. runs at 7200 rpm.. has 5 yr warranty. No, I am not trolling. After I bought it, I searched all web for it, but I couldnt find one. I formatted it to make sure it is 200 gb..and I had to believe what windows finally told me - it is a 200 gb harddrive!! I even got the case for this thing to prove it.

Re:I have a 200 gb seagate drive (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 8 years ago | (#13531172)

It is 2.5 inches thick..

And what, like a foot wide? ;-)

Re:I have a 200 gb seagate drive (1)

CyricZ (887944) | more than 8 years ago | (#13531179)

Can you provide some photographs, perhaps?

Re:I have a 200 gb seagate drive (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 8 years ago | (#13531270)

Where can i post it anonymously?

Re:I have a 200 gb seagate drive (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 8 years ago | (#13531354)

Ok.. I am da tech doofus. it cost me 200 bucks and it has a 100 gb space. I got my numbers transposed. But this stuff is more than 10 months old. Sorry to get your hopes up guys.

Re:I have a 200 gb seagate drive (1)

FidelCatsro (861135) | more than 8 years ago | (#13531362)

image shack http://www.imageshack.us/ [imageshack.us] great for getting random images hosted
It is fairly anonymous .though if you don't want your IP being logged , you would be best to use a secure proxy in some part of the world .
I would be most interested in seeing if this drive actually exists

Fascinating! (3, Funny)

kelzer (83087) | more than 8 years ago | (#13531186)

These Slashdot hard drive articles never get old.

I can hardly wait for the upcoming artlcles about Maxtor and Western Digital coming out with 2.5 inch 150GB drives.

I'm on the edge of my seat!

Re:Fascinating! (2, Insightful)

CyricZ (887944) | more than 8 years ago | (#13531238)

You realize this is news, correct? This is a site that does attempt to inform the readers about recent events (such as the release of this hard drive). Maybe it's not the most exciting news, but nevertheless it is still news.

Even though we know there will be new releases of the Linux kernel in the future (just as we know hard drives will have larger and larger capacities), it is important that such news be posted about here, so we can be alerted to the developments.

Re:Fascinating! (2, Insightful)

m50d (797211) | more than 8 years ago | (#13531257)

Maybe it's not the most exciting news, but nevertheless it is still news.

News that isn't exciting is just stuff that happened. I wrote an email today, does that qualify as news?

Re:Fascinating! (0, Troll)

CyricZ (887944) | more than 8 years ago | (#13531285)

News that isn't exciting is just stuff that happened. I wrote an email today, does that qualify as news?

Yes, you writing that email is news. Perhaps your idea of "news" has been tainted by watching too much FOX, CNN or MSNBC. News doesn't have to involve gratuitous destruction, violence and death.

That said, it's important that the community be kept up-to-date about technological developments such as this. Had I not been made aware of it now, I may not have found out about these drives existing until I next went to purchase a laptop.

Re:Fascinating! (1)

kelzer (83087) | more than 8 years ago | (#13531401)

You realize this is news, correct?

No, when somebody comes out with an article that says "we've finally hit the size limit for hard drives that use existing technology - they just can't get any bigger than this" - that will be news. New, bigger hard drives in not news - it's a given, just like the sun rising in the east.

Even though we know there will be new releases of the Linux kernel in the future . . .

I'm not the biggest fan of Slashdot kernel articles either, but at least they generally discuss new features. If Slashdot were a newspaper, articles about new bigger hard drives sure wouldn't belong on the front page. It would be more appropriate for them to be buried on page H-29 in the "Boring Hardware News" section.

Re:Fascinating! (0, Troll)

CyricZ (887944) | more than 8 years ago | (#13531420)

I'm not the biggest fan of Slashdot kernel articles either, but at least they generally discuss new features.

These hard drives do indeed have a new feature: increased capacity over previous drives.

Re:Fascinating! (1)

kelzer (83087) | more than 8 years ago | (#13531454)

These hard drives do indeed have a new feature: increased capacity over previous drives.

No, that's not a new feature. That's the same feature that every fscking new drive has had relative to its predecessors. Hence, it's not newsworthy.

Re:Fascinating! (0, Troll)

CyricZ (887944) | more than 8 years ago | (#13531486)

No, it is a new feature. Much like speed enhancements to the latest Linux or FreeBSD kernels are considered "new features". In the case of hard drives, the "new feature" is a higher capacity.

Re:Fascinating! (1)

kelzer (83087) | more than 8 years ago | (#13531529)

You sleep with your hard drive, don't you?

Re:Fascinating! (0, Troll)

CyricZ (887944) | more than 8 years ago | (#13531539)

"You sleep with your hard drive, don't you?"

No, sir. I sleep with your father.

Re:Fascinating! (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 8 years ago | (#13531673)

this is advertisement, plain and simple. Its what half of all slashdot articles have become

For another review: (2, Informative)

PoisonousPhat (673225) | more than 8 years ago | (#13531188)

Silent PC Review [silentpcreview.com] has had a review of this drive up for some time. Some desktop users prefer using notebook drives for generally quieter performance. Naturally, the SPCR review will focus more on the acoustical properties of the drive, but it's at least a different perspective and an interesting read.

120 GB... (1, Interesting)

Zweideutig (900045) | more than 8 years ago | (#13531211)

I like advances in technology as much as the next person, but I really wonder, what do you need 120 GB in your laptop for? I am only using about 2 GB on my laptop (Slackware install, Firefox, and some notes I take in vim.) On my Mac Mini with a Debian install with Firefox and XMMS, I am using only 2.5 GB of my 40 GB HDD. On my 3.8 GHz P4 FreeBSD server, with Apache, and about thirty mp3's served over NFS, as well as NetBSD sets over FTP, I am only using 4 GB of the 80 GB HDD. My NetBSD router of course suffices with a 1 GB HDD. What do you do with a 120 GB HDD? I realize I don't download any other than source and mp3's to my HDDs, but still, why would I want 120 GB? I think 120 GB HDDs should stay in servers, not that I even need one here. THe only use I see for this is for web hosting and e-mail storage.

Movies (2, Insightful)

68k geek (573999) | more than 8 years ago | (#13531235)

TV shows and movies - I filled up 3 hdd (80GB + 60GB + 14GB) real quick, even with burning older stuff to DVDs.

Can never get enough space if you like video.

Re:120 GB... (3, Funny)

Anonymous Coward | more than 8 years ago | (#13531237)

but I really wonder, what do you need 120 GB in your laptop for?

45 gigs of porn movies on my laptop right now

That's disgusting (2, Funny)

Zweideutig (900045) | more than 8 years ago | (#13531371)

I avoid all pornographic material. A few years ago, I accidientally encountered whitehouse.com, but other than that I have managed to keep the digital scum off my LCDS, CRTs, and off my HDDs. I think pornography an unacceptable influence on children and adults alike. I'd like to see the U.S. follow China and banish it from inside the United States. Isn't there much more interesting things you coul do with 45 GB and your broadband? I admit I use my HDD and broadband mostly for caching Slashdot content and viewing Slashdot. :) However, I am often working on little programming projects or setting up machines. I think you would find you would become much happier if you did away with the pronography.

Re:That's disgusting - I disagree (2)

coldnight (12780) | more than 8 years ago | (#13531451)

I disagree with you that the US and UK should be MORE like China - see human rights, pollution, general sanitation and living conditions.

I disagree with you on the pronography front as well. Any attempt to limit someones freedoms impinges on the rights we all have. What will be next - a book burning? Oh no! Those ideas have to go! /sarcasum

And finally, the on-topic part of my post... I am using ~200gb of storage on my server - most of it applications, tools for work, images and music. Quite a few linux iso archives as well. My friend who does graphics for a living doesn't bother with disks smaller than 200gb in *workstations* these days. His servers are spinning around 1.6TB each (office and home - mirrored).

As disk space becomes availible, you can find usefull ways to fill it.

Re:That's disgusting (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 8 years ago | (#13532012)

Why don't you go preach that crap in China, if you respect them so much? It's sad that you're so sexually repressed that you feel you need to pass judgements on complete strangers (like you're god, or something). Perhaps you would be happier if you weren't repressing your basic biological functions. The next thing you know, you'll be telling poeple they shouldn't poop because it's 'disgusting.'

[Note: I realize your post might be a joke, but with fundamentalists, it's hard to tell]

Re:120 GB... (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 8 years ago | (#13531247)

Manche Leute haben halt nur einen Rechner..

Re:120 GB... (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 8 years ago | (#13531274)

The server I use for www and email has a 40gb drive in it which is less than half full. My laptop has a 60gb 7200rpm drive which is almost always near full. So much so, that I have a fileserver set up with about 750gb storage for use over the network, and >500 of that is used.

The reason is that the laptop is my primary machine since I'm not at home very much... thus everything gets done on it.

Re:120 GB... (2, Insightful)

r2q2 (50527) | more than 8 years ago | (#13531275)

You have obviously haven't heard of bittorrent or other peer to peer file sharing applications.

Re:120 GB... (1)

Zweideutig (900045) | more than 8 years ago | (#13531328)

I have for downloading a few Rammstein mp3's, distributions and the occasional ebook over those mediums in the past. It never used much space.

Re:120 GB... (1)

PatrickThomson (712694) | more than 8 years ago | (#13531295)

Three words: Desktop Replacement Laptops.

As a student who flies home at the start and end of every term, the prospect of buying an extra seat for my computer or trusting it to the postal service 6 times a year does not appeal to me. The 60GB hard drive in my laptop is woefully inadequate to the point where I keep a headless fileserver in both places.

Re:120 GB... (1)

toddestan (632714) | more than 8 years ago | (#13531496)


As a student who flies home at the start and end of every term, the prospect of buying an extra seat for my computer or trusting it to the postal service 6 times a year does not appeal to me. The 60GB hard drive in my laptop is woefully inadequate to the point where I keep a headless fileserver in both places.


Why don't you just get some external USB2/FireWire drives?

Re:120 GB... (1)

King_TJ (85913) | more than 8 years ago | (#13531297)

I absolutely would *love* to have more disk space in my laptop. I have 80GB now, and it's not nearly enough. I have an Apple Powerbook, and one reason I bought it was for the ability to do video editing. 80GB isn't much at all when you're downloading a bunch of camcorder footage to go through later and trim down to, say, 45 minutes to 1 hour of final product. Then consider you might want to work on 2 projects at the same time....

Right now, everyone I know using a laptop for video work carries along an external drive ... but that partially defeats the purpose of having a portable computer in the first place!

Re:120 GB... (1)

lightningrod220 (705243) | more than 8 years ago | (#13531375)

Not quite. Ever tried lifting a PowerMac? Your PowerBook has a lot more portability, doesn't it? Even with one of those external drives, it's still a lot more portable. If you go on the road a lot with your video equipment and such to film on location, it can be easy enough to store those drives in the glove box, and then swap one for the other when you move between projects. The only problem that remains.... battery life. ... oh, and the van to haul all of your video equipment in.

Re:120 GB... (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 8 years ago | (#13531309)

I personally keep all my game (and an XP image for backup purposes ;) ) CDs stored on my computer as images, rather than carting the physical CDs to uni with me. It also means the physical CDs don't get damaged.

Currently that's only 30GB. But with music and films (again, I don't take DVDs with me - no separate television, so why bother?) as well, it all adds up.

Before I fitted the second drive to this PC, all that was more than enough to fill an 80GB drive. With the cheapness of hard drives, it's well worth it for the convenience.

One size doesn't fit all. (1)

jasonhamilton (673330) | more than 8 years ago | (#13531333)

You're thinking only of yourself. What applies to you doesn't apply to the rest of us.

I do development work on my laptop, so I have web server, database, several gigs of data, plus source code for several trees that are worked on concurrently. I could easily use up your 80 gig hard drive without an issue.

If I start adding mp3s, movies, backups from my websites, 120 might not even be big enough. I have over 600 gigs in my home computer.

Re:120 GB... (1)

Silverlancer (786390) | more than 8 years ago | (#13531387)

I have 50 gigabytes of my main drive used for Windows and games. I then have 100 gigabytes of TV series, mainly scifi (firefly, SG1, etc), anime, family guy, etc. Then, I have about 50 gigabytes of ISOs that I made from all my CDs, so I don't have to swap them in and out. Then, my last 100 gigabytes is reserved for video editing, which often takes up 50 gigabytes per video in temporary uncompressed files. Add on to all of that my massive store of FRAPS...

Re:120 GB... (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 8 years ago | (#13531395)

I like advances in technology as much as the next person

Judging from the rest of your post, the next person is an amish.

Re:120 GB - Too much is never enough (1)

Kordau (209302) | more than 8 years ago | (#13531407)

The obvious answer to your question is "YOU don't."

If you can't imagine why people would want 120GB of storage space in a laptop, then you've got a very limited imagination. Here's an obvious example, since you mentioned a Mac...

* A PowerBook user wants to edit a video project in Final Cut Pro. 30mins of video often involves editing around 4-6 hours of footage. 5 minutes of DV footage is roughly 1GB. So, a single short-length project is going to eat about 50-70GB of space... bring on the 250GB drives!!!

* Storing 10 of your favourite DVDs on your laptop will fill most of that measly 120GB, as well.

* With most games filling a DVD these days, 5-6 games could easily claim 30GB. 25% of the dish just got filled with games!

Anyway... didn't take much wondering...

Re:120 GB... (5, Insightful)

TeknoHog (164938) | more than 8 years ago | (#13531413)

My laptop is my music workstation. That's currently the main reason why I like space on a laptop drive. People have different uses for computers, so be wary of generalizing your usage patterns on others.

Besides, I hate the articifial distinctions between servers/desktops/laptops etc. that have nothing to do with their actual capabilities. Particularly Windows users treat computers as limited appliances. With unix, it's easier to see that a computer is a computer is a computer, and you can use almost any machine for any use. In fact laptops make great servers as they come with a built-in UPS.

I think 120 GB HDDs should stay in servers

Yeah, and 120 GB ought to be enough for everyone ;) I mean this as a reminder of the point that you shouldn't impose arbitrary limitations on how technology should be used, because people will always find uses for new inventions.

Re:120 GB... (1)

JanneM (7445) | more than 8 years ago | (#13531443)

When your laptop is your only computer, it effectively works as that file server you mention. One movie (nice to have on trips if nothing else) is about 1Gb, as is one day's worth of shooting pictures for me (RAW really eats up space). PDF articles are surprisingly space hungry as well; they are not that big individually (my average seems to be at about half a meg), but you tend to collect them like rats collect bedding. All text I have (PDF papers and lots of other stuff) come out to well over 10Gb.

Re:120 GB... (1)

shoma-san (739914) | more than 8 years ago | (#13531520)

Someone delete this guys account! Massive ammounts of disk space is a geeks best friend in this day and age. I keep everything I need from software, tech books, reference material, tools, databases, personal and work files, games, mp3's, and movie. Hell, I've got almost close to 800 gigs of data - mirrored on several servers at home. pffhhh.... You have firefox so maybe there's hope for you...

Re:120 GB... (0, Flamebait)

Zweideutig (900045) | more than 8 years ago | (#13531655)

Your sig: "none of us is as dumb as all of us" - That is wrong. The collective intelligence of a mass of people will always be higher than the "dumbest" one in the group. Judging from your logic, you might be the dumbest.

Re:120 GB... (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 8 years ago | (#13532025)

> The collective intelligence of a mass of people will always be higher than the "dumbest" one in the group.
Except in large groups of males, where the urge to show off can frequently override any intelligence possessed.

Re:120 GB... (4, Insightful)

toddestan (632714) | more than 8 years ago | (#13531524)

There are two types of computer users in this world. Ones that see the computer as a movies/music/media station, and those that see it as a word processing/spreadsheet/email/internet station. For the former, a 400GB drive is too small, and for the latter, a 40GB drive is more than they'll ever need. You clearly are in the latter group.

Re:120 GB... (1)

WhatAmIDoingHere (742870) | more than 8 years ago | (#13531562)

My desktop has a pair of 74 gig 10k RPM Raptors in a Raid-0 and a pair of 250 gig drives. I'm constantly going through and deleting old stuff to make room for new stuff. With a fast internet connection, no hard drive is large enough.

Re:120 GB... (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 8 years ago | (#13531758)

Shut up, you use windows like everyone else on ./

Re:120 GB... (1)

Zweideutig (900045) | more than 8 years ago | (#13532005)

Actually, I don't use Windows at all. I am posting this from my NetBSD workstation.

Re:120 GB... (1)

rob_squared (821479) | more than 8 years ago | (#13531765)

I treat my laptop as a backup to my desktop. Whenever my desktop is down for a while, waiting for a part, a system failure, or when I simply can't get to it. If I need to grab some CD or DVD images to test out a distro, I need that space. Having said that, 40-60 GB of space usually does the trick for me. But I assume there are people out there who need more than I do.

Re:120 GB... I have LOTS of PPT's, PDF's, DOC's (1)

Doug Jensen (691112) | more than 8 years ago | (#13531780)

I have many hundreds of professional society papers and technical reports, many hundreds of PowerPoint presentations (some with embedded videos). Yes, I carry about 64 DVD's of documents in my laptop case, but it is really useful to be able to have immediate access on my HDD to a lot of my documents, and still have room to download hundreds of megs of docs on no notice.

Re:120 GB... (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 8 years ago | (#13531868)

What a stupid post.

stupid stupid stupid.

to paraphrase your post:

"I'm one of 6 billion people and since I don't need it, it's a stupid idea"

There's probably going to 100 posts here telling you how wrong you are.

Dell Inspiron 8200 & Hitachi/IBM drive. (1)

shic (309152) | more than 8 years ago | (#13531304)

A couple of years ago I bought an Inspiron 8200 and paid _lots_ extra to get the 5400RPM 60Gb drive... which failed about 9 months later... I needed the laptop working ASAP - so a warranty repair was not an option... I replaced the drive with an identical one (for a fraction of the upgrade price a few months previously)... and this drive lasted about 9 months before failing even more spectacularly. I then replaced the drive with a Seagate Momentus one... and (touch wood) it's been good since... Noticiably quieter and it even feels a bit faster.

I'd be very wary about buying another Hitachi drive...

Re:Dell Inspiron 8200 & Hitachi/IBM drive. (1)

laupark (668153) | more than 8 years ago | (#13531461)

Heh, he said 'touch wood' heh....

Reliability (3, Interesting)

Walterk (124748) | more than 8 years ago | (#13531338)

These large sizes are all good and well, but 120GB is a lot of data to lose. In these mobile application areas, how does the reliability stack up? Can it withstand some battering, or does it fail first time you drop your laptop?

Re:Reliability (1)

gravix (743215) | more than 8 years ago | (#13531663)

The key is not to drop it while it's *on*. Of course, if you have something like IBM's active protection software running (which monitors an accelerometer to determine if the machine is falling or possibly about to bump something), the heads will usually park before a fall and there won't be any damage to the drive or your data. It's possible that one day HD manufacturers will include this technology right in the drives, but that would make configuration more difficult. Right now I'll just stick with my trusty Thinkpad.

Re:Reliability (2, Interesting)

bunco (1432) | more than 8 years ago | (#13531709)

I don't know about you, but any data loss is a bad thing regardless of the amount lost. Anyone who doesn't back up critical data from their laptop on a regular basis can expect a disaster. They're portable and therefore much easier to drop, lose to theft, etc. Expect your laptop HD to fail at some point and plan accordingly.

I recommend an external firewire/usb2 drive hooked up to a docking station. Better yet, chain it to your docking station. I've heard horror stories of stolen laptops where the "backup drive" was in the same case of the laptop (oops).

Finally! (2, Funny)

Legendof_Pedro (900265) | more than 8 years ago | (#13531364)

At last I can take my pr0n collection on the road!

Well, half of it, at least...

umm, 4200 vs 5400 & heat? (1)

TrumpetX (445716) | more than 8 years ago | (#13531379)

Did anyone else find it interesting that they're comparing 4200 RPM drives to a 5400 RPM drive?

Also, one reason to have smaller, slower drives in a laptop is the heat. I'd love to find some benchmarks on how this gigantic HD did in the heat test. Who knows, it might have done great - but that review is sorely lacking from a die-hard laptop user.

1.8" (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 8 years ago | (#13531398)

While a 2.5" 120GB sounds nice I'm more than happy with a smaller 1.8" disk with 60GB (which already exists). What is currently bugging me most is that only few manufacturers use 1.8" disks yet and (maybe therefore) we have to different standards which are incompatible: some vendors use an IDE interface while others use a ZIF interface.

Best place to buy (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 8 years ago | (#13531414)

I bought two pieces and want to buy another four.

1)I bought one last month from Newegg when they first came out, it was $284 (including CA sales tax and shipping). Back then Buy.com sold them for about $265 (tax and shipping included ) but I did not buy from them because I dont like the company.

2) I bought a second one last week from nowdirect.com for only $229 ($259.46 including tax and shiping). Nowdirect is a new company from San Jose. Although new they are good, I purchased 6 or 7 1.8 inch drived from them.

Toshiba and Hitachi also have 120GB laptop drives, they are cheaper but slower (4200rpm).

Firewire vs. USB (2, Insightful)

Donny Smith (567043) | more than 8 years ago | (#13531560)

And before you know, your 120GB drive will be full. And it's not cheap either.

To me, capacity and performance are more important that disk dimensions and weight. That's why I'll get myself a Firewire (faster) enclosure with a 3.5" disk (cheaper) three times the capacity.

laptops LBA48? Availability? (4, Interesting)

v1 (525388) | more than 8 years ago | (#13531580)

Here we are at the edge, at 120gb. What happens when they make a 140gb 2.5" HDD? I have had headache after headache with desktop systems and firewire enclosures that were not fully LBA48 compliant, and so they would detect 160, 180, 200, and 250gb HDs as 128gb. (or not at all...) Since no laptop drives > 128gb have yet been manufactured, I wonder if we will see this problem crop up sometime next year for out laptops?

Or has someone tried cabling a large 3.5" drive into a few laptops to see if we have a nasty surprise waiting for us?

I've got an 80 in my powerbook, and have a good 20 of it free, but y'know how things like that go... I'm sure I'll be hurting for space by start of next year. A 120 would be a nice upgrade. Anyone found a source for these new magic drives? I remember years back with my black powerbook with its "huge" 8gb drive, finding that IBM had made a massive 23 gb drive and having to search high and low to find the ONE retailer that had just TWO of them in stock. I still say I should have bought both and ebayed the other and made a killing.

If someone has found a few sources for them, can you report back on prices so we know how bad it's gonna sting? (that 23 was over $800 at the time, but worth every penny!)

Re:laptops LBA48? Availability? (1)

pyrotic (169450) | more than 8 years ago | (#13532024)

2.5in looks like the future of hard drives, laptop or server, at least if you listen to HP [hp.com] . So far you can only get 72GB in Serial Attached SCSI 2.5in. Wonder how long they'll keep up 3.5in drives, or wether they'll keep those around for bigger servers.

120GB is not enough for a laptop (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 8 years ago | (#13531604)

I usually dont keep personal files on my laptops,at least not for a long time, I just have many operating systems installed and for that 120 GB is not enough. The typical structure of the drives of my laptops is the following:

1) /dev/hda1 - a first Microsoft OS, typically Win XP.
2) /dev/hda2 - a first linux distribution, typically the current SuSE distribution.
3) /dev/hda3 - Solaris on Intel.
4) /dev/hda5 - a second Microsoft OS, win 2k.
5) /dev/hda6 - a second linux distribution, typically Debian.
6) /dev/hda7 - common temporary storage for linux, Reiserfs, about 8GB, unsually mounted in /valhalla; from time to time I also use this partition for playing with other linux distributions and for making DVD images.
7) /dev/hda8 - common temporary storage for all operating systems, about 40GB, fat32
8) /dev/hda9 -linux swap.

For such a partition scheme 100GB is a bare minimum. I don't use the internal drives of my laptops for long terms storage, I have a couple of 100GB external laptop drive in USB/Firewire combo boxes for that; on those I keep my computations, huge experimental data files, my scanned books, scientific papers in .pdf format, music, movies and so on. With an 120 GB internal drive I would make /dev/hda2, /dev/hda7 and /dev/hda8 bigger.

Dell D800 doesn't have the power to format it? (1)

Doug Jensen (691112) | more than 8 years ago | (#13531716)

I put this in my Dell D800 laptop and XP Pro couldn't format it. I took it out, put it in an external box with an AC power supply, plugged it into the USB port, and it formatted fine. Then I put it back in the D800 and it works fine there too. This puzzles me, perhaps someone can help me understand it.

Performance... (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 8 years ago | (#13531907)

I wonder why they compared this 5400 rpm drive with only 4200 rpm Hitachi and Toshiba models...The Hitachi 7k60 is a much better performer with its 7200 rpm and still doesn't slash the laptop's battery life...it would be interesting to know how these two would compare.

Re:Performance... (1)

adzoox (615327) | more than 8 years ago | (#13531958)

I agree ... I'd rather have better performance than more storage out of my laptop ...

Just use an external drive for storage.

strategic vacation (1)

v1 (525388) | more than 8 years ago | (#13531943)

I emailed seagate asking for more specs and availaibility. Looks like he picked a very strategic time for a vacation!

I will be out of the office starting 09/10/2005 and will not return until
09/19/2005.

I will have limited access to email and voicemail. If your matter is
urgent, please contact John Paulsen at (831) 439-2499 or
john.paulsen@seagate.com

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