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Bill Gates Speaks Out

ScuttleMonkey posted more than 8 years ago | from the amusing-stories-of-the-public-relations dept.

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neoform writes "The Seattle PI is running an interesting interview with Bill Gates." In the article Gates comments on Vista, Google, and a few other pertinent topics. In an amusing bit of related news, an anonymous reader let us know that CNET is also running an interview with Gates. In the CNET interview Gates gives a very interesting response to one of the interview questions. "CNET: So that would be the philosophical difference between Microsoft and what Google is up to at this point? Gates: Well, we don't know everything they are up to, but we do know their slogan and we disagree with that."

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BUSH DESTROYED NEW ORLEANS!!!11 (-1, Offtopic)

Anonymous Coward | more than 8 years ago | (#13559901)

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Re:BUSH DESTROYED NEW ORLEANS!!!11 (-1, Troll)

Anonymous Coward | more than 8 years ago | (#13559972)

WTF is globule warming?

Re:BUSH DESTROYED NEW ORLEANS!!!11 (-1, Offtopic)

Anonymous Coward | more than 8 years ago | (#13560093)

WTF is globule warming?
I think it's what happens right before a Spinal Tap drummer explodes.

George Bush does not care about Slashdot. (0, Funny)

Anonymous Coward | more than 8 years ago | (#13560150)

I hate the way they portray us in the media. You see a Slashdotter and they say we are looting, you see a farker and they say they are looking for food. And, you know, its been five days because most of the people ARE Slashdotters. And even for me to complain, I would be a hypocrite because I would turn away from the TV because it's too hard to watch. I've even been shopping before even giving a donation, so now I'm calling my business manager right to see what is the biggest amount I can give. And just to imagine, if I was down there and those are my people down there. If there is anybody out there that wants to do anything that we can help about the way America is set up the help the poor, the Slashdotters, the less well off as slow as possible. Red cross is doing as much as they can. We already realize a lot of the people that could help are at war right now, fighting another way. And now they've given them permission to go down and shoot us.

Is it an eeevil slogan? (5, Funny)

Kelson (129150) | more than 8 years ago | (#13559903)

"Well, we don't know everything they are up to, but we do know their slogan and we disagree with that."

From context he's probably not referring to "Don't be evil" -- but seriously, who can turn down a sound bite (sound byte?) like that?

Re:Is it an eeevil slogan? (5, Informative)

wan23 (636995) | more than 8 years ago | (#13559924)

From TFA: ... In fact, they have this slogan that they are going to organize the world's information. Our slogan is that we are going to give people tools to let them organize the world's information. It's a slightly different approach, based on the platformization of all of our capabilities and not thinking of ourselves as the organizer. So that would be the philosophical difference between Microsoft and what Google is up to at this point? Gates: Well, we don't know everything they are up to, but we do know their slogan and we disagree with that.

Re:Is it an eeevil slogan? (4, Funny)

Fahrvergnuugen (700293) | more than 8 years ago | (#13560091)

Quick... mod the parent down for being a spoil sport!

Re:Is it an eeevil slogan? (1)

schiefaw (552727) | more than 8 years ago | (#13560092)

That's a slogan??? Maybe Bill isn't a marketing genius.

Re:Is it an eeevil slogan? (5, Insightful)

ch-chuck (9622) | more than 8 years ago | (#13560134)

we do know their slogan and we disagree with that.

It's kinda like talking with any politician, since M$ft wants to compete with Google they have to disagree at some level, even if they're trying to do the same things. It's like asking Ted Kennedy what he thinks about Bush's plan for, whatever, helping little children. Whatever the Bush plan is, Ted's gotta disagree with it, that's how the game is played.

That is, even if Gates secretely admired google's plan and slogan and is competing out of jealousy and fear of losing market and customer brand name recognition, he must try to publically discredit google somehow. Even if he thinks they're doing all the right things, he has to discredit it somehow, they're taking people's freedom away, etc. Unfortunately, when the PC Pope speaks, too many listen.

Guess Bill's part of the antidisenplatformization movement.

Re:Is it an eeevil slogan? (4, Informative)

DFarmerTX (191648) | more than 8 years ago | (#13560148)

I think Chairman Bill was referring to Google's "mission", not their slogan.

http://www.google.com/corporate/ [google.com]

"Google's mission is to organize the world's information and make it universally accessible and useful."

Re:Is it an eeevil slogan? (2, Insightful)

ShadeARG (306487) | more than 8 years ago | (#13560153)

The interesting thing is that it makes even less sense if that is the proper context. It's obvious that Google is leading the way in organizing the world's information because they are capitalizing faster and greater than Microsoft did back in it's 80's boom. We are in the information age so this makes perfect sense. Those who captilize on the theme of the age gain and grow the most.

Re:Is it an eeevil slogan? (4, Funny)

xgamer04 (248962) | more than 8 years ago | (#13560162)

Gates: ... platformization ...

I pray to God every night that this does not become a widespread buzzword.

Re:Is it an eeevil slogan? (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 8 years ago | (#13559928)

The slogan is "Don't Believe." Bill Gates is an outspoken atheist, and it's not hard to see why he disagrees with it.

Re:Is it an eeevil slogan? (2, Informative)

ShadeARG (306487) | more than 8 years ago | (#13559971)

Is Google known for any other slogan? I think that statement says a lot, either on purpose or otherwise.

Re:Is it an eeevil slogan? (5, Funny)

Jason Scott (18815) | more than 8 years ago | (#13560021)

If you do a Google Search for "Google's Slogan", all you get is "Don't be Evil". I don't think there's any other known slogan, except maybe "Sorry about that, but it's still in beta."

I'm going to assume this is a mistranscription or a bad editor; otherwise, this is the single greatest thing to come out of Bill Gates' mouth, ever.

Google's Slogan is.... (1)

screevo (701820) | more than 8 years ago | (#13560073)

From Google's corporate info page [google.com]

Google's breakthrough technology and continued innovation serve the company's mission of "organizing the world's information and making it universally accessible and useful."

Re:Is it an eeevil slogan? (1)

WormholeFiend (674934) | more than 8 years ago | (#13560074)

this is the single greatest thing to come out of Bill Gates' mouth, ever.

I'm still voting for the "640k should be enough for everybody".

And that teen magazine photo of him tossing floppies.

Re:Is it an eeevil slogan? (0)

Jason Scott (18815) | more than 8 years ago | (#13560165)

Unfortunately, those are fake/urban myths. (The photo of him isn't fake, but the spinning disk is.)

At least "I'll fucking kill Google" is on legal record. I can live with that.

Re:Is it an eeevil slogan? (1)

pwackerly (697142) | more than 8 years ago | (#13560001)

"but seriously, who can turn down a sound bite (sound byte?) like that?"

Anyone interested in not being (at least borderline) deceitful.

Seriously, RTFA (2, Informative)

colin_n (50370) | more than 8 years ago | (#13560062)

"(Google has) this slogan that they are going to organize the world's information. Our slogan is that we are going to give people tools to let them organize the world's information."

Re:Is it an eeevil slogan? (2, Insightful)

anaesthetica (596507) | more than 8 years ago | (#13560071)

In fact, they have this slogan that they are going to organize the world's information. Our slogan is that we are going to give people tools to let them organize the world's information.

This is the slogan difference that Bill Gates was referring to. Still, a hilarious way to sum things up in the interview. "We disagree with the other company's slogan." Genius business insight there, buddy.

It's like people who's entire political philosophies are capable of being summed up by bumper stickers. You just feel sad for them.

Re:Is it an eeevil slogan? (0, Offtopic)

ngr8 (504185) | more than 8 years ago | (#13560097)

Its most likely #9. You can be serious without a suit. What bilge!

Re:Is it an eeevil slogan? (-1, Offtopic)

Anonymous Coward | more than 8 years ago | (#13560160)

Deep in the article, buried in its folds, was this quote by Bill Gates:
"We are admiting it. We produced software for TripMasterMonkey to get all the first posts, and then mod himself up for silly, inane comments, that are neither interesting nor insightful. We did this because it was discovered that TripMasterMonkey is the GOATSEMAN!!!!11!!!1!!111111!!!!.
In related news:
Slap my ass and call me susan!!!

is that "Do Not be Evil" (-1, Redundant)

wqurg (263967) | more than 8 years ago | (#13559910)

First post

Healthy Competition (3, Insightful)

Namronorman (901664) | more than 8 years ago | (#13559911)

Microsoft has to learn how to accept competition and not try to kill it or buy it out. Competition leads to innovation, which is exactly what this industry lacks in a lot of areas.

Thanks to Apple and Open Source (3, Insightful)

suso (153703) | more than 8 years ago | (#13559967)

And despite what a lot of people will think on the surface (whoa look at how cool Microsoft has made Office 12), it is really Apple, Linux and the Open Source competition that has made Microsoft get its ass in gear.

How else do you explain the sudden amount of creativity and motivation that Microsoft is having with its interface?

Microsoft and the Windows folks are going to act all high and mighty that their OS now has these cool features, but they will not realize what is driving it. Competition.

Re:Thanks to Apple and Open Source (1, Insightful)

Anonymous Coward | more than 8 years ago | (#13560095)

Microsoft doesn't want cool features and creativity. They want money.

Competition doesn't make money. Competition drives down profit margins and increases the amount of work required for success.

Conversely, operating a monopoly allows you to slap premium prices on shoddy products and rake in the cash, as long as you are adept at keeping the government off your back.

Re:Thanks to Apple and Open Source (4, Insightful)

suso (153703) | more than 8 years ago | (#13560174)

Microsoft doesn't want cool features and creativity. They want money.

More accurately, they want to continue to be on top and also to be in control. They have money, in fact so much money that they often don't know what to do with it. Like the 30 billion in cash that they had last year and were trying to figure out what to do with.

Competition doesn't make money. Competition drives down profit margins and increases the amount of work required for success.

Or, in MS's case, real competition (such as the threat posed from Linux and OS X) gives them a slap in the face and makes them realize that its sink or swim time again. If they don't get their shit together, they are going to go on the steady slope down to the bottom of the lake.

Conversely, operating a monopoly allows you to slap premium prices on shoddy products and rake in the cash, as long as you are adept at keeping the government off your back.

Which is exactly why people should think before giving in to a shiny new feature. In ANY product. You may be helping yourself in the short run, but in the long run taking the easy way out will lead to difficulties 3, 5, 10 and 20 years from now.

Is it any coincidence that Microsoft is releasing this shiny new version of Office and also considering the subscription based pricing? I don't think so. They know exactly what they are doing.

Re:Thanks to Apple and Open Source (4, Interesting)

Gogo0 (877020) | more than 8 years ago | (#13560135)

This isnt a troll (I swear), but perhaps they are finally competing because they cant buy the competition?
You cant buy an open source project (at least not to stop it), and Apple is going to do its own thing regardless of MS (this is how it has always been).

MS bought Visio and plenty of other apps. I if an open source project created an office productivity application, would MS suddenly have their own version out soon?

Re:Thanks to Apple and Open Source (5, Interesting)

interiot (50685) | more than 8 years ago | (#13560147)

Seriously, this ex-Microsoft guy [scottberkun.com] has it spot on:
There are specs I wrote for UI features in 1998 that are unchanged today, 7 years later, in a world where browser usage has changed dramatically.
Why was the least amount of browser development done during the period of the greatest amount of web growth?
"You're still here? It's over. We won. Go home. Go."

pf (-1, Offtopic)

Anonymous Coward | more than 8 years ago | (#13559915)

RISTF POTS ... .

Does he mention Linux and Apple? (1)

Shut the fuck up! (572058) | more than 8 years ago | (#13559917)

Cause then we'd have all of Slashdot's favorite topics all rolled into one.

Disagrees (0, Redundant)

mysqlrocks (783488) | more than 8 years ago | (#13559921)

Well, we don't know everything they are up to, but we do know their slogan and we disagree with that.

Gates disagrees with Google using that slogan or that it's possible for any company to not be evil?

Re:Disagrees (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 8 years ago | (#13560076)

Wrong slogan. RTFA.

Re:Disagrees (1)

mysqlrocks (783488) | more than 8 years ago | (#13560132)

TFA:

So that would be the philosophical difference between Microsoft and what Google is up to at this point?
Gates: Well, we don't know everything they are up to, but we do know their slogan and we disagree with that.

As other posters have clarified, Gates was probably not talking about the "Don't be evil" slogon. However, that was not immediately obvious from TFA.

Is he saying Microsoft = Evil? (-1)

Anonymous Coward | more than 8 years ago | (#13559923)

He disagrees with "Do No Evil" ??

To Clarify Gates's Quote (5, Informative)

phoenix.bam! (642635) | more than 8 years ago | (#13559926)

(Google has) this slogan that they are going to organize the world's information. Our slogan is that we are going to give people tools to let them organize the world's information.

The slashdot blurb wants to you to think that gates is disagreeing with the do no evil slogan. Silly decepticons running slashdot.

Re:To Clarify Gates's Quote (1)

Spad (470073) | more than 8 years ago | (#13559943)

Well that's kind of the point, it's not funny in context.

Re:To Clarify Gates's Quote (0)

RLiegh (247921) | more than 8 years ago | (#13559963)

Except that no one has (afaik) ever heard of google's "organise the world's information" slogan. But we have heard their "Do No Evil" slogan.

And really, looking at their record it's pretty easy to see how that would be the opposite of Microsoft's typical business strategies.

Re:To Clarify Gates's Quote (3, Insightful)

Gzip Christ (683175) | more than 8 years ago | (#13560005)

Can't it be both?

Re:To Clarify Gates's Quote (1)

jejones (115979) | more than 8 years ago | (#13560116)

Gates's disagreeing with one Google slogan is logically independent of whether he disagrees with the other.

Re:To Clarify Gates's Quote (0, Flamebait)

pdqlamb (10952) | more than 8 years ago | (#13560125)

billg, per the article: "we do know their slogan and we disagree with that." If the great software maker can't or won't specify any better than that what he disagrees with, we have to go look for it.

Would you prefer "We don't believe in pop-up ads"? or are you arguing that neither google nor billg are going to give people tools to let them organize the world's information?

Oh, sure... (1, Interesting)

Anonymous Coward | more than 8 years ago | (#13560128)

(Our slogan is that) we are going to give people tools to let them organize the world's information.

Yeah, right. My guess is that it would be more like:

"we are going to sell or rent people tools and tell them how and when and for how long and under what restrictions the may organize some information."

Re:To Clarify Gates's Quote (0)

Kelson (129150) | more than 8 years ago | (#13560159)

Silly decepticons running slashdot.

Starscream's in charge of the server?

That explains so much!

This offers nothing (0, Troll)

eneville (745111) | more than 8 years ago | (#13559932)

TFA article offers no technology information, has slashdot beocme the borg gazette now?

Come on, why was not posted if not to troll?

Well (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 8 years ago | (#13560003)

because Bill Gates is a lying sack of shit, we need to know what he's saying so that we can counter his lies when they are brought up in conversation.

Re:Well (1)

eneville (745111) | more than 8 years ago | (#13560049)

> because Bill Gates is a lying sack of shit, we
> need to know what he's saying so that we can
> counter his lies when they are brought up in
> conversation.

You should really be deciding for yourself, rather than going by what people say in /. when OS wars come up. Eventually you will know the reasons for using each based on their prime functions, which never change, such as scripting vs gui interface vs open source vs closed source etc.

In relation to the article, I saw nothing that would change suchs views, it's just marketing pitch.

FWIW, there are some interesting adverts here: http://www.sun.com/emrkt/rejected/ [sun.com]

Re:Well (-1)

Anonymous Coward | more than 8 years ago | (#13560119)

I'm talking about educating the non-techie who reads a Gates interview without an awareness of the guys real agenda. What the hell are you talking about?

Who is Evil? (-1, Redundant)

subodhg (881794) | more than 8 years ago | (#13559936)

"Well, we don't know everything they are up to, but we do know their slogan and we disagree with that."
Ok, so does he disagree that Google is not Evil or does he disgree with not being Evil ie. he is Evil :D

It makes since, his PR is bad. (2, Interesting)

MrArmyAnt (847547) | more than 8 years ago | (#13559937)

With the latest pre releases of betas, including 64 beta, and trying not to be evil, etc., gates is going after the one market he never had, computer geeks. We all like linux. We hate evil giant copy-right suing corperations. He's trying to change his ways, and wether it works or not, it will help there PR, CS, and will let us try out and see new products to make us happy. I am all for it. Go bill! Join the force! Leave the dark side!

Re:It makes since, his PR is bad. (1)

Kazzahdrane (882423) | more than 8 years ago | (#13560022)

"We all like linux. We hate evil giant copy-right suing corperations." Speak for yourself, I'm a MS Windows user through and through. Linux sounds good, but I think Windows is good so why switch?

Re:It makes since, his PR is bad. (3, Interesting)

bladesjester (774793) | more than 8 years ago | (#13560024)

The one market he never had? You weren't around for that whole dos and early windows thing were you?

hint: most geeks couldn't have afforded DECs.

Re:It makes since, his PR is bad. (1)

winkydink (650484) | more than 8 years ago | (#13560142)

or a UNIX source license either ($100k or so in those days)

Out of context (5, Informative)

genedefect (845080) | more than 8 years ago | (#13559938)

Nothing like taking a reply to one question completely out of context... So Google is not offering development capabilities yet. Of course, I expect they will. But they're not in that game at all today. In fact, they have this slogan that they are going to organize the world's information. Our slogan is that we are going to give people tools to let them organize the world's information. It's a slightly different approach, based on the platformization of all of our capabilities and not thinking of ourselves as the organizer. So that would be the philosophical difference between Microsoft and what Google is up to at this point? Gates: Well, we don't know everything they are up to, but we do know their slogan and we disagree with that. He was not referring to the "Do no Evil"

Re:Out of context (4, Insightful)

TrappedByMyself (861094) | more than 8 years ago | (#13560046)

Nothing like taking a reply to one question completely out of context.

Yeah, but the Slashdot editors know that the current presentation will generate more site traffic than showing the quote in context. Every bit as sleazy as any politician or used car salesman out there.

Re:Out of context (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 8 years ago | (#13560052)

Our slogan is that we are going to give people tools to let them organize the world's information. It's a slightly different approach, based on the platformization of all of our capabilities and not thinking of ourselves as the organizer. Who actually believes that M$ think of anything but M$. I call BS.

The shakes (0, Redundant)

ViperG (673659) | more than 8 years ago | (#13559942)

In other Words, Bill Gates, be afraid, be very afraid.

He's still in denial... (5, Insightful)

aborchers (471342) | more than 8 years ago | (#13559945)


"Gates: Software in general, whether it was from Microsoft or somebody else, was not set up for an environment where all the computers were connected together. So it's not like there was some software that had this security capability and our software did not. As we use the Internet to connect everyone up, then the need to essentially have suspicion and only listen to certain other systems, and if flaws come up to have those updated very quickly, that became a new requirement."


What can one say to something so far off the mark?

Re:He's still in denial... (2, Insightful)

B11 (894359) | more than 8 years ago | (#13560086)

Maybe so, but how how long has the web been used en masse? Almost a decade? Plenty of time to adjust their software. Plus why is Microsoft the only OS with this problem? Oh, Billy, stop blaming others.

Re:He's still in denial... (5, Insightful)

wiggly-wiggly (682254) | more than 8 years ago | (#13560102)

This caught my eye too. It appears Mr. Gates has selectively forgotten UNIX's (not to mention many others) heritage, systems which were specifically designed to operate on networks and ultimately the Internet.

Sigh, what a poor way to cover up Windows' inadequacies when it comes to networking.

Nice to see people aren't buying this crap.

Re:He's still in denial... (2, Informative)

pottymouth (61296) | more than 8 years ago | (#13560144)


"Software in general, whether it was from Microsoft or somebody else, was not set up for an environment where all the computers were connected together."

Geez!! Sun's very motto (ten years ago) was the network IS the computer! How oblivious can he be...

I hope you'll understand... (0, Offtopic)

inode_buddha (576844) | more than 8 years ago | (#13559946)

" Friends, in the Clintonian tradition of getting the bad news out first before your enemies do, I have something truly sordid to admit to all of you.

My hope is that you won't lose all respect for me, though I will understand if you think less of me after I reveal this.

It's funny, it all seemed so innocent and fun back in those heady days of youth, but knowing what I know now, it is painful to even think of the depths to which I sunk. It's not even like I can say that I started off on the wrong foot but so many others were doing it that, eventually, I succumbed to temptation. Worse, even to this day, I am still forced to do things I'm too embarrassed to admit--all because of youthful indiscretion.

To show that I didn't start off wrong, I will say that the first computer I owned was an Apple IIe. I moved on to various Mac incarnations and processor families, but eventually . . .

I programmed in VB. A lot. Too much. I try to tell myself that the C classes as an undergrad kept it from turning my brain into complete mush--I even railed at the memory footprint and consciously tried to write code that wouldn't be Atul-like, but I'm certain that the years have had a deletorious effect.

I'll hang my head in shame and perhaps even stay away for a bit, but I thought it would be better if you heard from me instead of the someone on the other side.

May as well get it all out, xxx-xxxx wrote in message xxxxxx:

>

Any who know how to use our secret weapon already may be aware of this because I've revealed it before, but my undergrad and grad degrees are in English.

I don't expect anyone to agree with the ugly choices I made in my youth, but I hope you understand that I am trying to atone--and the VB I'm forced to touch now is only occasional and I no longer take joy in it. "

(kudos to heimdal31 for the original)

Google's Slogan? (5, Funny)

Xeleema (453073) | more than 8 years ago | (#13559949)

"I'm Feelin Lucky"
They were so cocky about it, they even put it on a button...those bastard!!

What about M$'s slogan? (-1, Redundant)

Anonymous Coward | more than 8 years ago | (#13559951)

Isn't M$'s slogan, "Do Evil"? I wonder why Satan^WBill Gates doesn't disagree with that? Hmm...

hmmm, how should we interpret his statement? (-1)

yagu (721525) | more than 8 years ago | (#13559953)

CNET: So that would be the philosophical difference between Microsoft and what Google is up to at this point?

Gates: Well, we don't know everything they are up to, but we do know their slogan and we disagree with that.

Wow, that really raises in interesting dilemma in interpretation.

  • On the one hand, does Gates disagree with Google's contention that Google will do no evil? As in, does he think they're being hypocrits?
  • Or, on the other hand, is Gates projecting the true Microsoft philosopy, as in Gates believes an approach like Google's "Do No Evil" is not a good approach, and thus Microsoft has a different one.

The remainder of the exercise is left to the readers.

Re:hmmm, how should we interpret his statement? (3, Informative)

shark72 (702619) | more than 8 years ago | (#13560040)

"The remainder of the exercise is left to the readers."

Sorry that you went to all that trouble. Looks like Slashdot and its famous misleading summaries has punked several hapless readers yet again. The summary was written to imply that he was referring to the "do no evil" slogan and you and a few others fell for it.

If you have a moment, read the article and you'll see that Bill references the actual slogan earlier in the interview.

Re:hmmm, how should we interpret his statement? (1)

Otter (3800) | more than 8 years ago | (#13560041)

The remainder of the exercise is left to the readers.

Presumably by "readers", you don't mean in the sense of R's of TFA, unless you're leaving it to them to realize that the "slogan: in question has nothing to do with evil.

Anyhoo, regarding the new Office interface: I hadn't heard of this, but the first screenshots [winsupersite.com] I eviled, errr, Googled look a lot like the deafault GNOME taskbar. I suppose that's a tribute to GNOME, but I personally find that UI utterly frustrating and counterproductive.

Re:hmmm, how should we interpret his statement? (1)

ScentCone (795499) | more than 8 years ago | (#13560069)

Mod this down. It's not interesting, and it's actually incorrect. As many previous comments have pointed out, he (Bill) is explicitly not talking about the "no evil" slogan, much as much of the slashdot audience would love to hear him say that, just for the fun of it.

Re:hmmm, how should we interpret his statement? (1)

yagu (721525) | more than 8 years ago | (#13560167)

Not one afraid to admit my mistake, I got punked... I did read the article, but out of order, and let myself believe the reference was to the "Do No Evil".

It was not. Withdrawn.

Proof! (3, Funny)

imboboage0 (876812) | more than 8 years ago | (#13559956)

We'll match what they do

Ha! I knew it! This whole time we were right about Microsoft's plan! Their only goal is to copy! (or buy, whichever is more economical)

Total World Domination (2, Interesting)

bloodmusic (223292) | more than 8 years ago | (#13559964)

According to an inside source ("The 12 Simple Secrets of Microsoft Management" by David Thielen), Microsoft's motto actually is "Total World Domination".

Re:Total World Domination (2, Insightful)

RLiegh (247921) | more than 8 years ago | (#13560010)

Microsoft's motto actually is "Total World Domination".

The same as Linux's; but yet that's fine when we're talking about Linux? I call shennigans.

Re:Total World Domination (1)

MrAnnoyanceToYou (654053) | more than 8 years ago | (#13560042)

Shennanigans, btw.

And the reason it's "Total World Domination" (evil) on one hand and the exact opposite on the other is based on this, and this alone:


Ownership


Noone can really own Linux. If Linux totally dominates the world, it is because it is better than the previous version of whatever. Not because you were there almost first and had better connections.

Re:Total World Domination (-1)

Anonymous Coward | more than 8 years ago | (#13560099)

You must be new here..

Is anyone taken back by this? (4, Insightful)

linzeal (197905) | more than 8 years ago | (#13559965)

I mean Bill Gates will always rail reactionary against anything he sees as a threat to his business model. I think the real question is why do we care what he has to say in the first place, he may be a savvy businessman but his days as a heady proponent of technology has long been overshadowed by his more nefarious practices.

Re:Is anyone taken back by this? (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 8 years ago | (#13560118)

Favorite Quote (1)

neoform (551705) | more than 8 years ago | (#13559985)

"Software in general, whether it was from Microsoft or somebody else, was not set up for an environment where all the computers were connected together." -bill g.

Re:Favorite Quote (-1)

Anonymous Coward | more than 8 years ago | (#13560145)

Funny. Could you source that? I'd like to be able to point to an authoritative reference.

Re:Favorite Quote (2, Interesting)

WinterSolstice (223271) | more than 8 years ago | (#13560169)

That is an interesting comment (real quote or no), since it could either be interpeted as correct or incorrect; depending entirely on context.

In the context of *all* software, that is probably true originally. Early big iron certainly did not like to talk to other machines. It was a bit of a hack, if I recall correctly. Early micros were totally independant.

On the other hand, by the time MS was on the scene (the CPM days) there were quite a few machines written from the ground up to talk to each other. In which case the quote would be wrong.

Of course, I'm sure many will disagree with me on both counts :)

-WS

speech and video recognition? (5, Funny)

Tibor the Hun (143056) | more than 8 years ago | (#13559986)

So, and I'm not trying to be a smartass, the same guys whose flagship product can't empty a recycle bin without seizing, are trying to be leaders in speech and video recognition?

Clippy AV: "Hello User/Bear/Shrub, I see you've brought a Hammer/Salmon/Exhaust Manifold. Would you like me to assist you with it?
[No] [Cancel]

Where's Napoleon?! (4, Funny)

kevcol (3467) | more than 8 years ago | (#13559987)

Better news would have been the 'face off' with Napoleon Dynamite. [metronews.ca]

What in heaven's name is he talking about? (5, Interesting)

CyricZ (887944) | more than 8 years ago | (#13559989)

Software in general, whether it was from Microsoft or somebody else, was not set up for an environment where all the computers were connected together. So it's not like there was some software that had this security capability and our software did not. As we use the Internet to connect everyone up, then the need to essentially have suspicion and only listen to certain other systems, and if flaws come up to have those updated very quickly, that became a new requirement.

Of course software was set up for networked communication. Most UNIX (including *BSD and Linux) systems since the late 1970s have been network-aware in some form or another. And they have experienced nowhere near the problems that Microsoft's software has.

Now it's intriguing that he's suggesting that it might be necessary to "only listen to certain other systems". That sounds an awful lot like a DRM-style situation for the Internet. Imagine not being able to connect to an FTP server running on Windows, only because you're using Mozilla or the FreeBSD ftp client, and such non-Microsoft products are deemed "insecure".

"I don't think anybody anticipated..." (5, Insightful)

dpbsmith (263124) | more than 8 years ago | (#13559996)

"Software in general, whether it was from Microsoft or somebody else, was not set up for an environment where all the computers were connected together. So it's not like there was some software that had this security capability and our software did not."

So, what was IBM's SNA (Systems Network Architecture)? Chopped liver?

That's right up there with "I don't think anybody anticipated the breach of the levees."

Richer? (5, Funny)

CSHARP123 (904951) | more than 8 years ago | (#13559999)

Q: You showed Office 12 here for the first time today. How do you think users are going to react when they see such a different look? Gates: As Office has gotten richer, .....

He meant to say as Office gor Bloated and I got Richer...

what do we have to hear now? (5, Insightful)

alienfluid (677872) | more than 8 years ago | (#13560002)

slashdot is becoming more like a cheap tabloid everyday - making up sensational headlines from sentences in articles used out of context to sell their news to the readers. whatever happened to fair, unbiased news for the nerds? are the editors listening?

But What Are You For, Google? (3, Insightful)

SlothB77 (873673) | more than 8 years ago | (#13560018)

Since we are talking about slogans, I know what Google is against. I want to know what they are for? Do not be evil sounds nice and all, but I know they have some very tilted leanings [that may seem evil to some people] and a heck of a lot of information. But, saying what you are against is not inspirational. Saying what you are for, that inspires people.

In Summary: (2, Interesting)

blackmonday (607916) | more than 8 years ago | (#13560030)

In Summary:

Google slogan: "Do no evil".
Microsoft slogan: "Resistance is Futile".

Re:In Summary: (3, Insightful)

RLiegh (247921) | more than 8 years ago | (#13560061)

more like:
Google slogan: "Do no evil".
Microsoft slogan: "The Devil You Know".

Once and for all (0, Troll)

dcapel (913969) | more than 8 years ago | (#13560045)

Proof that Billy is evil!

Gratuitous Celebrity CEO Theoretical (4, Funny)

LegendOfLink (574790) | more than 8 years ago | (#13560059)

OK, we all know Gates is the biggest douchebag in Silicon Valley, but who would win in a fight: Larry Paige & Sergey Brin vs. Gates & Ballmer?

I'm fairly certain Paige would thoroughly pound Gates into the floor; but Ballmer is really freakin' scary. That one I'm not so sure of. I'm picturing Ballmer being able to take out both Paige and Brin at the same time.

Then again, Ballmer having Gates as a tag team partner would actually be a hinderence, so I'm thinking Paige and Brin would just barely be able to People's Elbow his ass into submission.

In other words (4, Funny)

saddino (183491) | more than 8 years ago | (#13560070)

Well, we don't know everything they are up to, but we do know their slogan and we disagree with that.


char* slogan = "Don't Be Evil";
char* corporateSlogan;

if(corporateID == GOOGLE)
    corporateSlogan = slogan;
else if(corporateID == MICROSOFT)
    corporateSlogan = &(slogan[6]);

Re:In other words (-1, Offtopic)

Anonymous Coward | more than 8 years ago | (#13560131)

Hehe, I got a chuckle out of that.

I found a typo (1)

mary_will_grow (466638) | more than 8 years ago | (#13560072)

We're not being prevented from including features, and that's the strength of the settlement that we reached with the Justice Department and others. There's quite a bit of process we go through to make sure that the way we're putting them in and exposing them to third parties, that we're meeting all the requirements of that. But it's not preventing us from being very, very innovative and making it as rich as we want to.

s/it/us

Napoleon Dynamite (1)

Momoru (837801) | more than 8 years ago | (#13560079)

Anyone have a link to the Bill Gates/Napoleon Dynamite video? Looks like MS blanked that part of their web cast out...

Wrong slogan... (2, Informative)

Qubit (100461) | more than 8 years ago | (#13560105)

From the article:
Bill Gates: - they have this slogan that they are going to organize the world's information. Our slogan is that we are going to give people tools to let them organize the world's information.

It's not their primary "Do no harm" slogan, people...

Who is this "Bill Gates" of whom you speak? (-1, Offtopic)

caluml (551744) | more than 8 years ago | (#13560107)

Why should we listen to this "Bill Gates" person? Who is he, anyway?

You should read tfa (1)

broothal (186066) | more than 8 years ago | (#13560115)

I know most readers doesn't read the fine articles. In this case - make an exception. I think Bill does a fine job at answering the questions. And - he apparently also has a fine sense of humor:

"Google, because they are in the honeymoon phase, people think that they do all things at all times in all ways."

Multiuser Operating Systems (1)

Brainix (748988) | more than 8 years ago | (#13560120)

"Gates: Software in general, whether it was from Microsoft or somebody else, was not set up for an environment where all the computers were connected together. So it's not like there was some software that had this security capability and our software did not."

Mr Gates, you're wrong. The internet is the very tool that enables distributed development. Networking (in both the technical and social senses) is at the core of Linux development.

A few questions (1)

MrAnnoyanceToYou (654053) | more than 8 years ago | (#13560129)

If the next three people under you don't write code but they do deals, what do you get?

Anyone know the pecking order at Microsoft? It seems to me that the next three down from Billy or Balmer might be involved in Advertising and FUD....

The first company meeting where I talked about software as a service was in 1998. The relationship with our customers has changed from software in a box to something else.

Totally tempted to say something along the lines of, "Frustration in a box?" I wouldn't ever though. What it really seems like is that the move to services is driven by a need to sell more stuff rather than actual customer demand... Maybe not true on the Business end, but home users definitely seem to want something that just works right out of the box... Services might accomplish this, but one might question their necessity.... And if you sell 10 million boxes of software that come with unnecessary services people end up paying for in some way or another, well, doesn't that imply you're able to manipulate the market somehow?

This AC Speaks Out! (1, Funny)

Anonymous Coward | more than 8 years ago | (#13560141)

Bill Gates and his legions of lie-spouting filthmongers deserve the financial grave they're digging for themselves.

Bill should take his ravishing (ahem) wife and go off and do good deeds (as he does, all of my insanity aside) and cure the diseases of the world rather than **RANT BEGINS AGAIN**

fucking the world again and again through the manipulation and domination of the world's computer systems. THAT m'friend is power and Bill Gates is an all too willing handmaiden to the Bushie impulse in the United States. Lying arrogant bastards all of them. Clawing their way to power and woe be he to tries to moderate their lust of the blood of their customers or their citizens.

I'm so frickin' angry I could SPIT!
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