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Review: Monarch Computer's Nemesis FX-57 7800 SLI Gaming

Hemos posted more than 8 years ago | from the kicking-ass-and-taking-names dept.

Upgrades 299

A couple weeks back now, I had the pleasure of testing and using Monarch Computer's Nemesis FX-57 8700 SLI Gaming machine. This model is a top-of-the-line gaming rig; I'm currently testing the Hornet machine as well. Read below for my take on the machine.One of the first things that should be acknowledged is that this version of the Nemesis is a very high end gaming machine. The price for the system that I had been testing was over $5000. There's the scary-fast base system itself, but then you throw on full THX surround sound, the customzied keyboard and mouse that Monarch produces - and while you are talking about top-dollar, you are also talking about top performance.

The system itself is as below:

Case: Thermaltake Custom Painted Shark Full Tower Aluminum Case Series w/Window (Fire Pearl)
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Power Supply: Enermax Noisetaker EG701AX-VE-SFMA ATX 2.0 w/SLI Support 600W Power Supply

Motherboard: Asus A8N-SLI Premium nForce4 SLI Audio, GB-LAN, IEEE, USB, PCI-E, SATAII w/RAID, DDR-400, ATX
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Processors: AMD Athlon 64 FX-57 (939)
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Heat Sink: Zalman CNPS7000-CU Copper CPU Fan

Memory: 2 GB (4 pcs 512MB) DDR (400) PC-3200 Corsair w/LED Display (TWINX1024-3200XLPRO)

Hard Drives: 1 x Western Digital 74 GB SATA 10K Raptor (WD740GD), 2 x Western Digital Caviar SE 250 GB SATAII 16MB Cache 7200 RPM (WD2500KS)

RAID Setup: RAID 0 (Zero) Setup

DVD-RW: Plextor PX-716SA DVD±RW 16x8x16x DVD+RW 48x24x48x CD-RW SATA

Floppy: Mitsumi Floppy 7-in-1 USB Card Reader/Smart Media Drive (Black)

Video Cards: 2 x NVIDIA Geforce 7800 GTX 256MB GDDR3, VIVO/, Dual-DVI

Sound Card: Creative Labs Audigy 2 ZS Platinum INT Drive Sound

Wireless NIC: D-Link DWL-AG530 Tri-Mode Dualband (2.4/5GHz) Wireless 108Mbps PCI Adapter

Industry Standard Upgradable

USB Ports on front of case

6 Month Warranty - Free tech support
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All Monarch PCs include: 48-72 hr. Burn-in Diagnostic (to ensure all components are malfunction free); Latest BIOS, drivers, and tested patches installed (All drivers are also included on CD); award-winning assembly and installation including tie-off on all cables (for improved airflow); final 62-point inspection by Intel and AMD Certified Technicians, and Free Unlimited Phone Support. All manuals, disks, cables and other accessories included with your retail components will be included with your system.

As is fairly obvious, the machine's specs are pretty hardcore. In doing some of the standard testing, the system turned out a 3DMark05 test of 13,002 whichout missing a beat. Similarly, the Sysmark04 score was a studly 225. To be blunt, I don't think I've ever seen those types of numbers before - in real life, that is.

What was even more impressive for me at least was the machine's ability to handle that most important of tasks - playing games. Playing Doom 3, with all graphic options cranked (including the console accessible ones) this machine still turned out a 80.2 FPS. Turning off the console options, and just going in ultra-mode had a frame rate of 87.3, sustained. My other gaming obessions, World of Warcraft (Props to Ajul-Nerub server!) managed to turn in a more paltry 77.3 FPS, but given the fact that you are often depending on your connection with WoW for some of that, that's pretty amazing. DivX encoding was also quite fast - 1574 seconds on the sample size that I used.

The more subtle touch on the machine was evident as well - you can open the thing up from multiple angles, with a swing front door on it, and the lighting was handled nicely. And given the machine's power and draw, I was fairly impressed with the noise from the various fans. The heat output from the machine is fairly impressive; you'll not need that space heater in the room anymore in the winter time, but the actual heat inside of the machine case, and CPU always stayed well within manufacturer recommended ranges. While running the very high-end graphic testing of Doom 3, the temp did get some spikes, but nothing that was concerning. The nVidia 7800 duals make a huge difference.

One of the other features that I liked is the fast primary drive, and back-up, slower, but RAIDed drives. It's nice for installing high access demand apps on the primary, but using the other drives as storage drives. The other comment I would make, speaking as an obessive wire organizer, is that the machine itself ships very very nicely tied off cabling-wise. I think this looks nice, but also, I would suspect, makes a appreciable difference to the heat flow. One other important note is that they offer a 3 year 24/7 support plan - all warranties are different options, 'course.

In short, the machines rocks. The issue, of course, is the pricing - but if you are looking for a top end machine, this is a phenomenal rig. Monarch does a great job of supporting the product, with a great packet of documentation and information that comes with the machine, but also active forum postings and involvement from the tech support on their boards. Great company, great machine.

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299 comments

The Bare Minimum (5, Funny)

ackthpt (218170) | more than 8 years ago | (#13622090)


[x] Memory: 2 GB [Check]
[x] Processors: AMD Athlon 64 FX-57 (939) [Check]
[x] Hard Drives: 1 x 74 GB SATA, 2 x 250 GB SATAII
[x] Video Cards: 2 x NVIDIA Geforce 7800 GTX 256MB

This extreme gaming platform should meet the minimum requirements to play Solitare under Windows Vista. [slashdot.org] For those planning on gaming on Vista, how much more muscle can you pack into this rig?

The price for the system that I had been testing was over $5000.

Ah, part of the TCO equation! But, heck, you should be able to buy this system for $3000 a year from now. Funny how this pricing reminds me of what it cost to have 1 PC XT with MS-DOS on it back in the mid-eighties.

Re:The Bare Minimum (-1, Troll)

Anonymous Coward | more than 8 years ago | (#13622109)

Lynn-ucks likes teh butt-seks.

Re:The Bare Minimum (1)

supabeast! (84658) | more than 8 years ago | (#13622194)

"Ah, part of the TCO equation! But, heck, you should be able to buy this system for $3000 a year from now. Funny how this pricing reminds me of what it cost to have 1 PC XT with MS-DOS on it back in the mid-eighties."

Computing for enthusiats has never been cheap ;)

Re:The Bare Minimum -- Cost to Enthusiasts? (4, Interesting)

ackthpt (218170) | more than 8 years ago | (#13622336)

"Ah, part of the TCO equation! But, heck, you should be able to buy this system for $3000 a year from now. Funny how this pricing reminds me of what it cost to have 1 PC XT with MS-DOS on it back in the mid-eighties."
Computing for enthusiats has never been cheap ;)

Who said anything about enthusiasts? I'm actually puzzled the moderations are leaning towards funny, because I really was trying to make a non-humourous point. It's perhaps funny-ironic, the ultimate system will hardly be the minimum for the next OS release from the vender most people get their work/entertainment environment from.

That mid-eighties box, which cost about $3,000 was about a mid to high end model, it had a faster clock, 20 MB HD and a Hercules video card. It was the bare minimum to do work, most of which was running a terminal emulator, but the rest was some work in Turbo C

You can buy a very capable system for $300 at Fry's right now. There's a large gulf between capable for today's OS releases and the one coming out in a year. The big question is, how many suckers are going to bite?

Re:The Bare Minimum (3, Insightful)

kollivier (449524) | more than 8 years ago | (#13622291)

Ah, part of the TCO equation! But, heck, you should be able to buy this system for $3000 a year from now. Funny how this pricing reminds me of what it cost to have 1 PC XT with MS-DOS on it back in the mid-eighties.

I can't see anyone truly concerned about money buying this box. I like games as much as the next guy (or gal), but I don't have $5000 to drop just to get a 'more hardcore rig', and I don't even see why I would need one. I mean, think about it - does a game really need to push your hardware to the very limit in order to be fun? Of course not. Game developers try to push the hardware just to see what they can do, and gamers buy these systems just to show off what their 'hardcore rig' can do. This is like a Porche for geeks. Well, actually, probably more like a heavily modded monster truck. ;) You don't buy it so much because you need what it does, you buy it because you want to show everyone else what it can do.

I bet the Revolution is going to blow these boxes away in terms of fun-factor anyways, and it's probably going to be under $300. How's that for ROI? :)

Re:The Bare Minimum (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 8 years ago | (#13622324)

I disconcur. I've never had as much fun playing a game as I have playing Day of Defeat (PC). Ever. And with source coming out on my birthday (Valve really DOES love me!), it only gets better.

But hey, if you're happy with using sex toys as controls for your game system, go for it. It's much better on your wallet :)

Re:The Bare Minimum (1)

madprof (4723) | more than 8 years ago | (#13622423)

With respect this is nothing like a Porsche or even a neat monster truck. If I buy a Porsche I'll get years of enjoyment from it. But I'm going to buy a better system than this in 2 years for under half the price.
You are absolutely right when you say that nobody concerned with money would buy this machine.

Re:The Bare Minimum (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 8 years ago | (#13622454)

"This extreme gaming platform should meet the minimum requirements to play Solitare under Windows Vista. For those planning on gaming on Vista, how much more muscle can you pack into this rig?"

Actually it doesn't. To get Vista in all it's full glory you'll need a Hardware Directx10 card which aren't out yet.

My favortie board (3, Interesting)

AKAImBatman (238306) | more than 8 years ago | (#13622095)

Base Price: $4,589.00

Holy CRAP that's expensive! And that's (apparently) without the monitor! If I may suggest, you should be able to build the same machine [mwave.com] for about half the price, perhaps a bit more.

Asus A8N-SLI Premium nForce4

Sweet! They chose my favorite board! [blogspot.com] I have the A8N-E board (same thing, but only one Vid card) and I must say that it is a VERY nice board. Practically everything you could ever want is built in. NForce4 chipset, Gigabit ethernet, PCI Express, 8 channel audio, 10 USB ports, hardware firewall, hardware RAID support, 4 SATA-300 (aka SATA-II) connectors, IDE support, nearly all AMD64 chips supported, etc. I haven't found a better board, especially in that price range!

Sound Card: Creative Labs Audigy 2 ZS Platinum INT Drive Sound

Can anyone explain what is up with this? The board comes with 8 channel sound [64.233.167.104] built in. What do you need a separate sound card for? Is the sound quality really that much better?

BTW, if you get the A8N board, don't get the ASUS Star ICE [viperlair.com] . I've got one of those things and I'm now using it as a desk ornament. I just wanted an extra fan to keep things cool. I had no idea that I'd get a friggin' JET ENGINE! (I'm not kidding either. This thing can barely fit in the case when installed.) It gets great comments from my coworkers though. "What the HELL is that!?" ;-)

If you don't believe me on its size (no one ever does) just look at this pic [viperlair.com] .

Re:My favortie board (1)

Gulthek (12570) | more than 8 years ago | (#13622126)

Creative Labs Audigy 2 ZS Platinum INT Drive Sound

Because it makes their copy sound cooler, thus increasing the price they can overcharge.

There's Nothing Cool about Creative (1)

TheStonepedo (885845) | more than 8 years ago | (#13622243)

Creative made good cards back in the Soundblaster 16 days. Since then, other companies have offered cards with better I/O jacks and similar if not better sound quality. If the product boasted "M-Audio Audiophile 192" or "Chaintech AV710" it would have good sound rather than cool branding.

Re:My favortie board (2, Informative)

Sduic (805226) | more than 8 years ago | (#13622153)

Integrated sound is going to require more CPU time. If you can offload it to a card, you can leave the processor for more important things.

Re:My favortie board (2, Informative)

AKAImBatman (238306) | more than 8 years ago | (#13622195)

I thought that's what the built-in RealTek ALC850 [realtek.com.tw] chip was supposed to do?

Speaking of which, DO NOT install the nForce drivers under Linux! They are WAY out of date and will just screw stuff up. Just get the latest version of non-Kernel ALSA and you should be fine. The ethernet is already supported.

The GeForce drivers should work without a hitch, though.

Re:My favortie board (1)

thrift24 (683443) | more than 8 years ago | (#13622229)

By physically moving the sound device onto a card, how do you expect to offload CPU usage?

The onboard card and the sound blaster both still need to connect to the PCI bus. Where they are physically connected makes no difference. There will probably be no difference in CPU usage if your using either of these cards. The real difference in CPU usage will depend on how many extra apps they load onto your machine.

Re:My favortie board (1)

Sduic (805226) | more than 8 years ago | (#13622314)

Hmm...I haven't kept tabs on integrated sound tech. Has it gone beyond AC'97 codecs then?

Re:My favortie board (1)

Malc (1751) | more than 8 years ago | (#13622278)

Unfortunately this is a Creative Labs product so the CPU gained is going to be lost processing other things unnecessarily installed on the system. Based on my experience of their drivers and software over the years, the whole system will also be more unstable.

Re:My favortie board (1)

EzInKy (115248) | more than 8 years ago | (#13622357)


Unfortunately this is a Creative Labs product so the CPU gained is going to be lost processing other things unnecessarily installed on the system. Based on my experience of their drivers and software over the years, the whole system will also be more unstable.


I've never really had any problems with the emu10k1 drivers, they just pretty much seem to work. It's been especially nice now that they are part of the kernel and installing alsa-libs and alsa-utils have never caused my sytem to be unstable. What kind of instablities have you been experiencing?

Re:My favortie board (1)

ferat (971) | more than 8 years ago | (#13622437)

I'm sure he meant on windows. Nothing wrong with the hardware, and alsa is swell for linux, but on windows creaf installs a TON of misc addons and about 4 different mixers and auto updaters and sound editor demos and all sorts of other crap that invariably has a negative effect on system stability.

You can avoid MOST of it by doing a custom install, but not everything.

Re:My favortie board (2, Informative)

iainl (136759) | more than 8 years ago | (#13622213)

One of the guys at work brought his in because he didn't want it any more (replaced it with something smaller that still did the job). It's huge, but more importantly to me it weighs an absolute ton! There's no way I'd want something that heavy hanging on to the motherboard like that; I'd be too worried about it stressing the material to damaging point.

In fact, it's so heavy I'd be worried about the damage it could do to all the AGP and PCI cards on the way down as it broke off, too.

Re:My favortie board (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 8 years ago | (#13622334)

I built a comparable system about six months ago, using 6800GTs instead (the 7800 wasn't out then, but the price I paid then was close). My system is also watercooled.

Grand Total using pricewatch and mail-order: $2,200.

Save yourself $3000 and build it yourself, folks.

Re:My favortie board (1, Insightful)

ltwally (313043) | more than 8 years ago | (#13622350)

"Sound Card: Creative Labs Audigy 2 ZS Platinum INT Drive Sound

Can anyone explain what is up with this? The board comes with 8 channel sound built in. What do you need a separate sound card for? Is the sound quality really that much better?"

I'll take a stab at answering that question:

Anyone serious about either audio or gaming adds a dedicated sound card. And a good one (ie. audigy2 or better). Your onboard 8-channel sound is a minimal solution, and offers very little hardware acceleration, making it subpar for gaming. (What gamer wants 5-10% of the cpu's attention to be stuck on doing audio, when a good sound blaster can drop that to 0-3%) Also of consideration is audio quality; as a basic rule-of-thumb, onboard audio is going to be built using lower quality DAC's and other components. The signal-to-noise ratio isn't going to be stellar, and is thus not suitable for serious audio enthusiasts.

In short, onboard sound may be fine for listening to mp3's on your computer speakers, and may even be good enough for those that only play occasional games... but no serious geek would consider onboard audio as a replacement for a decent soundcard.. especially when you can get a basic Audigy2 for under $50.

Not to be rude... but your lack of knowledge about computer hardware makes your suggestions moot. Not that the other components you mention are bad.. it's just that it's hard to take your recommendations seriously when you display a lack of basic knowledge about hardware. Please refrain from making recommendations until you are better versed in the subject.

Re:My favortie board (2, Interesting)

the unbeliever (201915) | more than 8 years ago | (#13622428)

Anyone serious about either audio or gaming adds a dedicated sound card. And a good one (ie. audigy2 or better). Your onboard 8-channel sound is a minimal solution, and offers very little hardware acceleration, making it subpar for gaming. (What gamer wants 5-10% of the cpu's attention to be stuck on doing audio, when a good sound blaster can drop that to 0-3%) Also of consideration is audio quality; as a basic rule-of-thumb, onboard audio is going to be built using lower quality DAC's and other components. The signal-to-noise ratio isn't going to be stellar, and is thus not suitable for serious audio enthusiasts.


You obviously haven't been keeping up with onboard sound tech. SoundStorm provides full hardware acceleration (and dolby digital encoding in real time) in 5.1 surroud, and even provides optical out. Even your basic RealTek chip will please anyone but the most picky audiophile. All of this and you don't even lose many, if any at all, cpu cycles since there are DSP's involved.

Also, Creative's drivers are notorious for sucking unnecessary CPU time, so your 0-3% estimate is way off.

Re:My favortie board (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 8 years ago | (#13622434)

I've always found the entire "onboard audio is teh suck!1!" crowd to be quite silly. A company could take an Audigy 2 and hardwire it to the PCI bus on a motherboard (giving the exact same functional result as adding a PCI Audigy 2), and you guys would still sit there saying "buy a separate card because the onboard audio is teh suck!!1"

Re:My favortie board (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 8 years ago | (#13622488)

What a total wanker!

PSU (1, Insightful)

Sduic (805226) | more than 8 years ago | (#13622100)

Is that a quality PSU? Because that sysytem's probably going to need it.

Re:PSU (1)

ackthpt (218170) | more than 8 years ago | (#13622131)

Is that a quality PSU? Because that sysytem's probably going to need it.

IIRC Enermax is another one of those generic Taiwanese PSU's which usually have a failure rate which just doesn't sit well (with me anyway) being hooked up the $,$$$ worth of gear.

I bought a PC Power & Cooling PSU for my energy hungry desktop money hole. Doing quite well a few years on.

Re:PSU (-1, Offtopic)

Tomchu (789799) | more than 8 years ago | (#13622146)

Try jumping on the clue train some time.

Re:PSU (1)

FauxPasIII (75900) | more than 8 years ago | (#13622187)

> IIRC Enermax is another one of those generic Taiwanese PSU's which usually
> have a failure rate which just doesn't sit well (with me anyway) being
> hooked up the $,$$$ worth of gear.

Yeah !

Except like, the opposite of that.

Enermax is the most reliable consumer brand in my experience. Their noisetaker
line carries a _3 Year_ replacement warranty. That's not easy to find.

Antec is also quite good.

Re:PSU (1)

Sduic (805226) | more than 8 years ago | (#13622217)

Now Antec I have experience with. They make some great PSUs, their "True Power" line has proven reliable.

Welcome (0, Funny)

Anonymous Coward | more than 8 years ago | (#13622102)

I for one welcome our new SLI overlords

Re:Welcome (1)

ackthpt (218170) | more than 8 years ago | (#13622178)

I for one welcome our new SLI overlords

I just dodged that bullet myself, when ordering a new mobo with 64 bit Athlon, etc. I just wanted a new mobo and to keep using all the components I'd already spent about $1,000 on and was intent on still using. Cancelled the order quick and got one with the cruddy old AGP. Not ready to need SLI, yet.

SLI has some things to offer, but not to an old code jockey like me who considers Settlers of Catan [sourceforge.net] a worthwhile game.

Re:Welcome (1)

AKAImBatman (238306) | more than 8 years ago | (#13622295)

Cancelled the order quick and got one with the cruddy old AGP.

* /me Jaw Drops

You... went... with an AGP board?! You do realize that nearly all video cards are now PCI Express? [wikipedia.org] FYI, PCI Express is not the same thing as SLI. It's a new standard that has TWICE the bandwidth of AGP. You could have gone for a board like the A8N-E board that has PCI Express but no SLI at a good price.

* /me Jaw Drops Again

I just wanted a new mobo and to keep using all the components I'd already spent about $1,000 on and was intent on still using.

Okay, I can understand if you still want to use your old video card. But all your other stuff should still work fine in a PCI Express machine. I'm curious, why upgrade your board/CPU if you're not willing to go with the latest video bus technology?

Re:Welcome (1)

ackthpt (218170) | more than 8 years ago | (#13622395)

Okay, I can understand if you still want to use your old video card. But all your other stuff should still work fine in a PCI Express machine. I'm curious, why upgrade your board/CPU if you're not willing to go with the latest video bus technology?

The current version of what I have in PCI Express terms would soak me about $600. I could just scrape together the $300 for the new board, as long as I could just move my 1.25 GB of DDR memory and my current video card over. I also have a backup video card, which I nearly gave away but plug in from time to time when I'm debugging hardware, since it's a fairly simple little thing with 64 MB of memory and good enough (Actually it's more than good enough for Scorched Earth 3D [scorched3d.co.uk]

Maybe when I get my pickup paid off I can think again about dropping a fat wad of cash on a whizzy video card, but not at the moment.

One more Slashdvertisement (5, Funny)

MyTwoCentsWorth (593731) | more than 8 years ago | (#13622105)

I hope it pays for the hosting costs... or the editor's training :)

Re:One more Slashdvertisement (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 8 years ago | (#13622162)

What training? Monkeys dont need training. Feed them bananas.

Re:One more Slashdvertisement (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 8 years ago | (#13622191)

since you have this distorted view of what an advertisement is...

under what conditions can slashdot post anything regarding a product a company makes.

Jesus-fucking-christ (-1, Redundant)

Anonymous Coward | more than 8 years ago | (#13622130)

How can this be anything else than a cocksucking slashvertisment?

Monarch (2, Informative)

AlienSexist (686923) | more than 8 years ago | (#13622133)

I've bought Monarch computers before, usually on the value-end for simple workstations. They held up fairly well. But there was always some small problem like a CD burner never worked on a new system, or the CPU fan would die and nuke the CPU. I'm sure they love you plugging their products on such a major website. Did you disclose if you work for them or not?

Re:Monarch (2, Interesting)

Dare nMc (468959) | more than 8 years ago | (#13622294)

> All Monarch PCs include: 48-72 hr. Burn-in Diagnostic Latest BIOS, drivers, and tested patches installed (All drivers are also included on CD); award-winning assembly and installation including tie-off on all cables

I wonder what they do for burn in?
My experience is the same as yours with monarch, neither the system, or the complete board (MB+CPU+DDR+fan) I got worked right at first, and took 3 returns of the system, for them to get it so it could even boot a linux install cd (apperently was bad memory.)

this might be industry standard for discounters for all I know though. They did get the system working again, but not worth the down time.

Re:Monarch (1)

ChrisF79 (829953) | more than 8 years ago | (#13622366)

I've bought Monarch computers before, usually on the value-end for simple workstations. They held up fairly well. But there was always some small problem like a CD burner never worked on a new system, or the CPU fan would die and nuke the CPU. I'm sure they love you plugging their products on such a major website. Did you disclose if you work for them or not?

But there's a 62 point inspection as the article claims. Perhaps the CD burner is check #63 and the CPU fan is check #64. Better add two more checks to the already inflated list.

Re:Monarch (3, Informative)

KavyBoy (35619) | more than 8 years ago | (#13622426)

My Monarch system took an addition month for tech support to fix. Anything stressing the GPU would cause an instant lockup. I had to update all the firmware myself - it was months out of date. So much for the updates and burn-in. I really wished I had just put it together myself from Newegg. It would have been faster and the returns, if any, would have been easier.

OMFG??? (1)

Dragon Rojo (843344) | more than 8 years ago | (#13622140)

5000 bucks?

Does any game in this year(or the next couple) take advantage of so much power??

Re:OMFG??? (1)

Torinir (870836) | more than 8 years ago | (#13622212)

If Q4 and SWBF2 have the needs that I'm hearing, then that system would fall under the "adequate" category. Although I'm waiting for UT2007 and Huxley (MMORPG built on the the Unreal3 engine) to come out. Man, it's time to start putting more pennies away... again.

If someone has linkage to the video of Huxley's introduction at E3, it'd be great. I don't have the links available, and I can't access the site at work. :(

Re:OMFG??? (1)

KDR_11k (778916) | more than 8 years ago | (#13622250)

Sure, you'll get up to five frames per second more than on a gaming PC for 1000$.

Re:OMFG??? (1)

hamburger lady (218108) | more than 8 years ago | (#13622308)

Duke Nukem Forever.

Re:OMFG??? (1)

Kentamanos (320208) | more than 8 years ago | (#13622331)

I hear Team Fortress 2 will require a machine like this as well...

Fine but... (3, Interesting)

DaPoulpe (795028) | more than 8 years ago | (#13622157)

how much power this baby needs ?
Does it come along with it's small nuclear power plant ?

Re:Fine but... (1)

Sduic (805226) | more than 8 years ago | (#13622417)

Does it come along with it's small nuclear power plant ?

Do you really want to pay for the delivery of that?

this just in... (5, Insightful)

Anonymous Coward | more than 8 years ago | (#13622158)

This just in: a computer built with the highest end components yields the highest end performance.

This was the most blatant advertisement as an "article" that I have ever seen. Too bad Monarch's servers can't handle the load; it makes the advertisement far less effective.

Re:this just in... (1)

Sduic (805226) | more than 8 years ago | (#13622497)

When submitting ads to slashdot, it's important to remember the maxim "scarcity sells". While the site may have been passed over without a second thought ordinarily, the belief that the site will go down soon attracts visitors, while others will likely wait to see what you have to offer. In this way, a slashdotting can actually prove beneficial (just don't tell the sysadmin I said that.)

Re:this just in... (1)

cerebis (560975) | more than 8 years ago | (#13622506)

Aye, the web is already littered with hardware review sites with pseudo-scientific analyses, as if they need to make it onto the front page of Slashdot. Computers made from commodity parts -- that anyone with half a brain can buy and assemble -- does not make interesting copy. Yes, the best parts together make a fast computer, this hasn't changed in 15 years.

Maybe I am just getting old...

Target Audience (1)

Dragon Rojo (843344) | more than 8 years ago | (#13622161)

This is probably targeted to the ones that think the more expensive the system, the bigger their penis is.

Re:Target Audience (1)

Kazzahdrane (882423) | more than 8 years ago | (#13622222)

Surely it's inversely proportional. The smaller their penis the more they think they have to spend to be cool. Like short guys who are always starting fights!

RAID-0 (2, Interesting)

MagPulse (316) | more than 8 years ago | (#13622164)

Let's take RAID and use it to halve the time it takes to lose all our data. Great idea.

I'd rather have two RAID-1 arrays, one small and fast and one larger and slower. But maybe l33t gamers don't care about their data.

What data do gamers have? (1)

TheTranceFan (444476) | more than 8 years ago | (#13622318)

All their data can be recovered by reinstalling from the game CDs. ;-)

Re:What data do gamers have? (1)

eclipser13 (839296) | more than 8 years ago | (#13622413)

Except for the ever-precious save game files that you sunk 40+ hours into

Re:RAID-0 (1)

Kentamanos (320208) | more than 8 years ago | (#13622380)

I use RAID-0 at home. A lot of motherboards only support 0 or 1, and 0 performs better on writes (obviously).

As far as hard drives failing, I find I can easily backup all of the truly important things (source code, documents) to my USB keychain drive. The typical home computer's hard drive is usually about 90% (made it up, probably higher, but you get the point) taken up with things you could install from CD if you lost it and other things that really are not that important.

Seems like ... (1, Funny)

sim82 (836928) | more than 8 years ago | (#13622165)

they are running the webserver as a pixel-shader on one of their geforcen.

That means a lot! (4, Funny)

Eightyford (893696) | more than 8 years ago | (#13622176)

1574 seconds on the sample size that I used.

Wow, that't amazingly fast!

Something disturbing (4, Insightful)

yfmaster (686465) | more than 8 years ago | (#13622197)

they list a feature on the motherboard, "IEEE". Do they realize that IEEE is an orginization, and not a part? The number that goes after IEEE is more important, like 802.11 or 1394

Re:Something disturbing (1)

jalefkowit (101585) | more than 8 years ago | (#13622303)

I can imagine a conversation with their sales guy:

SALES GUY: We support IEEE.

BUYER: "IEEE"? What IEEE standard are you talking about?

SALES GUY (confidently): All of them!

Re:Something disturbing (1)

TheGavster (774657) | more than 8 years ago | (#13622306)

It doesnt implement any particular standard, but it has all of them burned into a ROM in case you need to look something up. In unused regions of the chip, they laid in the names of prominent IEEE members.

Missing review parts (2, Funny)

FidelCatsro (861135) | more than 8 years ago | (#13622202)

1: Does it help you save money on your heating bill
2: Could it achieve flight if you took off the side of the case
3: does the Decibel rating make my stage amp look like a pair of cheap headphones
4:Does it weigh more than a small car
6:Does it run linux ;)
7: what's it like in soviet Russia
8: Is this the PC they are running their servers on

Re:Missing review parts (0, Offtopic)

Radres (776901) | more than 8 years ago | (#13622332)

7: what's it like in soviet Russia

In Soviet Russia, penis size is not increased by purchasing a faster computer.

RAID Setup: RAID 0 (Zero) Setup (2, Insightful)

Malc (1751) | more than 8 years ago | (#13622215)

"RAID Setup: RAID 0 (Zero) Setup"

Stupid stupid stupid.

Have fun rebuiliding your system. Really this shouldn't even be labelled "RAID setup". There is no redundancy (the R in RAID). Two discs stripped like this means you have two chances of losing everything on *both* of them. Is hard drive performance so critical that the chance is worth it?

Re:RAID Setup: RAID 0 (Zero) Setup (1)

Rowan_u (859287) | more than 8 years ago | (#13622339)

Raid 0 doubles your chance of failure. However, on a high end gaming rig, the data really isn't that important. Performance increases, however microscopic, are. You will be filling this drive up with installed games, not hosting a mission critical database on it. Even on my modest gaming PC, there is no personal data anywhere to be found. You'll find all that on RAID 5 :)

Re:RAID Setup: RAID 0 (Zero) Setup (1)

Nemith (114402) | more than 8 years ago | (#13622367)

Thats why the number is 0. Get it? Zero as in not really RAID.

RAID-0 does have the advantage of being very fast, which is why it was used here.

Re:RAID Setup: RAID 0 (Zero) Setup (2, Informative)

AKAImBatman (238306) | more than 8 years ago | (#13622376)

FYI, the A8N board has a couple different hardware RAID configurations built in. If you don't like the RAID 0, you can reconfigure. Here's a list I pulled from here [directron.com] :

NVRAID: RAID0, RAID1, RAID 0+1 and JBOD span cross SATA and PATA.

Venture Brothers (1)

caesar-auf-nihil (513828) | more than 8 years ago | (#13622221)

A bit off topic, but when I saw the headline I started to laugh as it reminded me of "The Monarch" from the 'toon Venture Brothers on Cartoon Network/Adult Swim. I kept thinking about the Monarch's pathetic supercomputer that he had to reboot when giving a powerpoint presentation on how evil his plans were to another super villan.
I supsect if he had the System reviewed in this topic he would still be incompetent, but at least he'd be having fun fragging his enemies.

While we're plugging PC makers, overdrivepc.com (2, Insightful)

MattW (97290) | more than 8 years ago | (#13622226)

I bought an Overdrive PC Torque.SLI [overdrivepc.com] a while back. I talked with Mario there, who actually talked me down off a higher end processor, telling me he could hook me up with a slightly lower end, $800 cheaper processor but get far more overclocking out of it than the faster process.

It's fast as hell, and when it had a stability issue due to the overclocking (yes, it was pushing it), he helped tweak it to where it was rock solid.

If you're going to pay this much for a computer, get someone who actually knows how to squeeze the maximum out of it, if you don't have the time or ability to do it yourself.

SLI is always a waste (3, Informative)

vectorian798 (792613) | more than 8 years ago | (#13622231)

"Video Cards: 2 x NVIDIA Geforce 7800 GTX 256MB GDDR3, VIVO/, Dual-DVI"

No game manufacturer is going to make a game that REQUIRES so much brute-force GPU power to play...that would kill the market. All this would do is make games playable with insane settings like 4x FSAA and 8x Anisotropic Filtering. But most gamers (read: the average gamer) can't tell the difference between different levels of anisotropic, or the difference between 2x and 4x FSAA unless they stop and look at the screen. When is the last time you ran through the jungle in Far Cry and said to yourself while being chased by a mutant monkey with uncanny ability to maul, "Damn these leaves need to lose some jaggies"?

The point is that as soon as games come out that need next generation GPU's, your SLI system is obsolete because it likely won't have HARDWARE features to perform next-generation effects. The analogy I like to make is that 4 GeForce 4 MX's can't match a single GeForce 4 Ti 4200 because the 4 MX doesn't have hardware shaders while the Ti does. So is it really worth dropping that extra money (don't forget, your mobo needs to have extra PCI x 8 or x 16 slot as well, so there is a little extra cost there too)?

That being said, this system you posted is quite beastly :)

Re:SLI is always a waste (1)

superpulpsicle (533373) | more than 8 years ago | (#13622285)

This just meets the Vista low end requirements.

Re:SLI is always a waste (2, Funny)

Silverlancer (786390) | more than 8 years ago | (#13622384)

You could run any game out with max multisampling AA and AF on the 7800. With two... you could run... two games at once... with max AA/AF... uh... yeah... ;)

Re:SLI is always a waste (1)

Rowan_u (859287) | more than 8 years ago | (#13622462)

I think I speak for a lot of gamers when I say, "yes I am thinking about jaggies when being chased by those mutant monkeys." The tweaking of video setting to for optimum viewing pleasure has been a traditional ritual since the first 3d accelerators hit the market. Its almost as fun as playing the game itself. Even my wife notices the difference between 4x FSAA and 0x FSAA when playing NWN or Guild Wars, and she is relatively new to PC gaming.

That being said, I'll totally agree that all the SLI set-ups are completely overkill for today's games. You can squeeze a decent amount of anti-aliasing, Anisotropic Filtering, or even V-Sync out of a relatively modest card like the ATI 9800, or the Nvidia 6600.

IEEE (5, Funny)

tsvk (624784) | more than 8 years ago | (#13622239)

Motherboard: Asus A8N-SLI Premium nForce4 SLI Audio, GB-LAN, IEEE, USB, PCI-E, SATAII w/RAID, DDR-400, ATX

Wow, there's an Institute of Electrical and Electronics Engineers integrated on the motherboard? No wonder it's such an expensive setup...

Learn how RAID works... (5, Insightful)

ErMaC (131019) | more than 8 years ago | (#13622248)

Why does Hemos think that backing things up to a RAID0 which is "slower" is a convenient thing?

RAID0 is FASTER than a single drive configuration, because you're doubling the number of spindles and heads working together. It also offers NO REDUNDANCY so backing up anything to a RAID0 is completely and utterly retarded. He's got everything ass-backwards.

This is why reviews on Slashdot are moronic, whether it's Zork's misinformed and useless game reviews or hardware reviews by the tech-uneducated editors. Stick to linking to real review sites guys, please.

Now watch in a day there will be a Slashdot story linking to Hemos's review...

Re:Learn how RAID works... (3, Insightful)

WillerZ (814133) | more than 8 years ago | (#13622325)

Speaking of moronic, where did the "ass-backwards" come from? Surely ass-forwards is a more unconventional orientation?

SLI (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 8 years ago | (#13622249)

what a goddamn joke. SLI now is just as good an idea as it was back when 3DFX came up with it in the first place. Which is to say not a good idea at all.

SLI worth it? (1)

Godeke (32895) | more than 8 years ago | (#13622253)

Was any testing of SLI vs non SLI mode done? The tests I have seen really don't show the performance boost that SLI's added cost would seem to warrant. (The results I have seen are about a 25% speed increase for the SLI mode vs single card.)

Frankly, I have grown tired of the constant quest for minor speed increases and find myself playing more and more on consoles and less with "driver of the week" PC games. (Revoke my geek badge if you want). Consoles have eye-sandpaper graphics compared to a high end PC, but it's nice to spend a fraction of what you would spend on a single video card and have a complete system that you can just plop down in front of and it just works.

5000 (1)

Daveznet (789744) | more than 8 years ago | (#13622255)

Damn $5000 for a gaming machine!!!! Games out now cant even utilize all that hardware, what would be the point? Well maybe they are preparing for duke nukem for ever, when if it comes out?

Warranty? (2, Insightful)

moorcito (529567) | more than 8 years ago | (#13622263)

For $5000, you'd think the warrenty would be a bit longer than 6 months. I realize that tech gets old pretty fast, but aren't they being a bit optimistic that in 6 months you'll realize how old school your PC had become and fork over another $5000.

Re:Warranty? (1)

ettlz (639203) | more than 8 years ago | (#13622429)

That's what stuck out when I read this. I've had machines for GBP 750 with two and three year warranties. Six months? Doesn't exactly inspire confidence in their build quality, particularly as experience tells me most faults show up towards the end of the first year of working life.

Actually... (1)

EzInKy (115248) | more than 8 years ago | (#13622282)

...even though this is obviously a blantant advertisement Monarch is one of the sites I've been looking at for the dual opteron system I'm planning on building so I'm looking forward to hearing some honest feedback. In the past I've always just bought my parts seperately for my single CPU machines and assembled them without much hassle but my investment has never been much more than four or five hundred dollars but now that I"m thinking about investing $1500 it would be nice to know the motherboard, processors, and ram have all been tested to work together.

No X-Fi? (1)

elbenito69 (868244) | more than 8 years ago | (#13622293)

Creative's new X-Fi cards have been sitting on Best Buy's shelves for over a month now, yet they still can't find their way into $5000 computers?

RAID != Backup or Data Security (2, Funny)

Anm (18575) | more than 8 years ago | (#13622307)

One of the other features that I liked is the fast primary drive, and back-up, slower, but RAIDed drives.

Hemos, I won't be tresting that RAID-0 to backup anything. It is strictly a user feature so you can claim you have a really big dic^Hsk.

Anm

my problems with that system (1)

brennz (715237) | more than 8 years ago | (#13622322)

Monarch has a quality reputation, but I have a few problems with that system. In order to build a true screamer, I think some component changeouts and modifications are in order.

Motherboard:
http://www.tyan.com/products/html/thunderk8we.html [tyan.com] This motherboard supports dual opterons, so you can stick in there 2 dual core opterons. Using processor affinity you could balance load across processors (I am not sure if you can use processor affinity per core - if anyone can answer that, I'd appreciate it.

Ramdrive
http://www.anandtech.com/storage/showdoc.aspx?i=24 80&p=1 [anandtech.com] These things are mainstream now (for those that lusted for years after the highend $10k+ ramdrives).

Soundcard
Creative Soundblaster based sound cards have had buggy drivers for as long as I can remember. Lets get some turtle beach in there, or better yet, some lower end audiophile hardware http://www.m-audio.com/index.php [m-audio.com]

Paltry amount of Ram
2 GB is like the lowest amount of ram I'd use for a highend performance system. 4 GB - 8 GB is more like the appropriate number. When I am running WoW, VLC, Thunderbird, Firefox, Gimp, TS, and Eric3 all at once. I want them all to be fast and responsive as if I had only one application running.

Why I love Monarch (1)

nothingx (809091) | more than 8 years ago | (#13622340)

I've bought from Monarch several times in the past and it's always been a really good experience. I've never had a system made by them, but I get all my parts there. The service is like something you would expect from a big name retailer, but prices much better. You don't have to take my word for it though, check out what other people have to say on reseller ratings [resellerratings.com] .

Maybe... (1)

JohnnyBigodes (609498) | more than 8 years ago | (#13622345)

... if Monarch Computers had put *that* machine as their web-server, maybe we could still reach their site :)

$5000, I can see that. (1)

GmAz (916505) | more than 8 years ago | (#13622348)

Well, my system is as follows: AMD64 (Winchester) 3200+ DFI Lanparty Ultra D (Easy mod to get SLI) 1GB Geil Ultra Platinum EVga 6800GT PCI-E Koolance Water Cooling Lite-On DL DVD Burner Plextor DVD Burner and some other cool do-dads in there. That system ended up costing me over a timeperiod of about 1 and a half years....$4000

What website is this again? (1)

borodir (98612) | more than 8 years ago | (#13622383)

Are we on Slashdot? or some generic review site? Thanks

Benchmark request (3, Funny)

ChrisF79 (829953) | more than 8 years ago | (#13622392)

If the original poster is reading this, could you do me a favor and run an Excel benchmark on it, since that's what I'd be using it for?

Get back to me with the results ASAP... the bank just approved my $5k loan.

um.... it's another fast computer.... (1)

iamhassi (659463) | more than 8 years ago | (#13622399)

i read that review and all i see is another fast computer. 6 months from now there will be another fast computer, and 6 months after that and so on.

this isnt news for nerds, it's not even news. Something that happens on a regular basis and that we all know about (that computers get faster!) is not newsworthy.

Kickbacks? (1)

FreeUser (11483) | more than 8 years ago | (#13622400)

OK, I've been a long time slashdot reader (note my userid), and while editorial standards have been slipping noticably over the last year or two, this advertisiement posing as a review really takes the cake.

Is your employer getting paid outright for these, or are they a result of personal kickbacks under the table?

Ugh. I'm just about through with this site.

SlashAds? (1)

cepler (21753) | more than 8 years ago | (#13622408)

So, how do we turn off these SlashAd articles and get down to the REAL stuff? Is that something only available to subscribers or do they see this crap too?

Come on, a review of YET ANOTHER CLONE SYSTEM (Zzzzzzzzzzzzzzz). Yawn, boring. Ho Hum. Is this really news that matters? Who gives a crap about some expensive custom system made by a vendor....geeze...

Hello? Editors? Are you awake or does just any old submission make it to the front page these days?

No liquid cooling? (1)

Man from Trantor (889803) | more than 8 years ago | (#13622412)

I just built a new gaming rig (P4 775) and come to the conclusion that liquid cooling is no longer a just a fancy option for over clockers. When the cooler get up to full song it almost impossible to hear anything else. I'm now saving my pennies to retrofit nice quiet liquid cooler. In rig like this it should be standard. (especially with a $5000 price tag...)

Imagine a beo... (2, Funny)

Guysmiley777 (880063) | more than 8 years ago | (#13622418)

... I can't even do it. I tried, I really did.

USB Ports on front of case (1)

Dare nMc (468959) | more than 8 years ago | (#13622432)

why is their no short circuit protection on the front USB straite from the MB? mulitple motherboards I have used crash hard with a short to these, the K8VM800 I am using now, included. I guess this is another feature for the hacker, can have the PC reboot automatically when you plug in your bootable usb fob.

because of that I only want the powered front USB hub (which this system appears to have in addition) in the drive bay.
would be nice if they would allow a hardrive to share the same bay though.

Monarch is great (1)

IIEluSiONII (738501) | more than 8 years ago | (#13622464)

Just a comment about Monarch. I have been buying stuff from them for years. They aren't the cheapest place in town (but they are still compeditive)and I have had nothing but good fortune with them their PC's are solid and last a long time. Just a shout out! As a disclaimer I am not a paid advertiser, just a stoked customer!

Already /.'ed.. (1)

bezgin (785861) | more than 8 years ago | (#13622502)

They should have used a few of this machines as webserver.. :) But no, people take best of best hardware for gaming and outdated crap for LAMP-Servers, so they can crash at with first wave of potential customers, a very intelligent way of exploiting the 15-Minutes-Slashdot-Fame.

huh? (3, Funny)

no reason to be here (218628) | more than 8 years ago | (#13622515)

I thought The Monarch's nemesis was Dr. Venture.

[DRTFA]
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