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24 Mb Consumer Broadband Launched

ScuttleMonkey posted more than 8 years ago | from the can-i-get-a-t1-for-what-i-pay-in-cable-now dept.

The Internet 389

twilight30 writes to tell us The Guardian is reporting that broadband provider "Be" is providing customers with the option of a 24 megabits per second download speed connection. These speeds are roughly three times the closest local competitor and also allow 1.3 megabits per second upstream, roughly five times quicker than any other service provider. The service is being offered at £24 (US $42.84) per month. Hopefully this will become a trend of radically increasing consumer internet speeds.

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389 comments

24 Mb not 24 MB (4, Informative)

Frankie70 (803801) | more than 8 years ago | (#13656029)

Slashdot editors - please correct the title.

Re:24 Mb not 24 MB (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 8 years ago | (#13656060)

but if they called it 6 mega nibbles it would generate more ad revenue.

Re:24 Mb not 24 MB (1)

Basehart (633304) | more than 8 years ago | (#13656071)

While you're at it, 56 Mbits/sec would be ideal.

Re:24 Mb not 24 MB (1)

at_slashdot (674436) | more than 8 years ago | (#13656171)

Ideal for what? why 56 and not 52Mb/sec?

I want it, but it requires a "Be Box" (1)

Philip K Dickhead (906971) | more than 8 years ago | (#13656179)

And I am just not ready for Yellow Tab to be running my machinery, even if it does come with two rows of green LEDs, running down the front of the thing!

I got burned bad enough on Rhapsody for Intel, DR2. I can't even find the boot floppy for that thing, anymore.

Why didn't Jean Luc Ponty tell us this was wat the damned thing was for, anyways? Too busy playing violin on the Starship Enterprise, I guess.I always thought that rendering a quicktime Rubic's cube was just not functional enough to justify Be.

Re:24 Mb not 24 MB (5, Interesting)

moro_666 (414422) | more than 8 years ago | (#13656215)

#1 56 mbits would be heaven ? nah, i dont really think so :) at first, if 3 users with 56Mbit lines would start to download from a server that sits in a rack behind a 100Mbit ethernet ... they would want to pull 56*3=168 Mbits out from the 100Mbit ethernet ... so they will just not be able to really use their bandwidth and the server will be jammed .... and for most of users, even 8Mbit is a huge overkill, cause people that dont download movies/cd-images/adult-movies/music each day, mostly have latency issues (they click and the browser doesnt react within a second, waaah) and the larger the bandwidth distributed over several users, the larger the latency (routers & co have their limits). ofcourse a big maximal downloadspeed is great but i dont think that the rest of the network isnt quite ready for it, it might not be such a good idea (most of our country's server hosting providers have 100Mbit ethernet/internet lines for the servers, so 4 british haxors can now jamm my server)

#2 i wonder how they can afford it ... the last time i checked the broadband companys themselves have to pay for each mbit they transit, so if they have a nice schoolful of haxxors who download stuff 24/7 then their downloaded/uploaded mbits will cost more than the 24 pounds that are charged ... ofcourse some users use less than that ... but still, it's still curious

#3 while they're at it, i'd even be lucky to get a 8mbit connection for 24 pounds over here

And probably not even that (5, Informative)

mister_tim (653773) | more than 8 years ago | (#13656209)

I've already moderated in this thread, but what they hey...

This is based on ADSL2+, same as the service offered by Internode [on.net] , iiNet [iinet.com.au] or Adam in Australia. Internode really led the way and were the first to roll out DSLAMs that would offer up to 24 Mbps download speeds and about 1 Mbps upload. iiNet, although they offer ADSL2+, limit it to 12 Mbps download.

Now, I suspect the reason for this is that while 24Mbps is the theoretical maximum download speed over ADSL2+, you're only going to get that speed if you have a perfect line and live really close to the exchange. If you're even 2km away, then you're speed is going to drop a fair bit: granted, you'll still get about 15Mbps, but not the 24Mbps advertised. My guess is that iiNet just finds it easier to guarantee 12Mbps rather than trying to explain that, "well, you might get 24Mpbs, but there's all these other factors and we can't guarantee it, and no, we don't know exactly what speed you'll end up with."

There was a really good graph on this here [on.net] , which shows deteriorating performance as you move further from the exchange.

The other thing about this that really interests me is that Australia was derided and we complained for so long about how far behind the rest of the world we were when it came to broadband, but it now looks like we're really catching up - maybe in large part as we have good companies like Internode who are very tech-minded, still small enough to focus on service rather than just the almighty buck, and who actually want to provide good services to people.

Me me me (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 8 years ago | (#13656030)

I want. I want.

Re:Me me me (2, Interesting)

SoloFlyer2 (872483) | more than 8 years ago | (#13656262)

I already have it... :)

This is being provided by almost every ISP in australia except Tel$tra
It is of course very distance dependant
Basically they just have ADSL2+ DLSAMs and they let you run at the maximum speed allowed by the ADSL 2+ specification, so you only get the maximum speed (24000/1000) if you are close enough to the DSLAM for it to work at that speed, since im quite far away from the DSLAM i only get about 5000/1000, but thats a hell of a lot faster than 1500/256, which is the maximum avaiable on Tel$tra DSLAMs

http://www.internode.on.net/adsl2/graph/index.htm [on.net] A Nice Little Graph with distance/speed :)

Hooray! (1)

CorruptMayor (915031) | more than 8 years ago | (#13656034)

Now spammers have even more bandwidth to play with.
Now worms will hit with a harder punch.

Re:Hooray! (1)

Namronorman (901664) | more than 8 years ago | (#13656047)

Doesn't most spam come from the United States? It sounds like this is a British ISP, so I really wouldn't worry about it that much if you truely are concerned.

Re:Hooray! (1)

CorruptMayor (915031) | more than 8 years ago | (#13656068)

That's right. Spamming can only be done in the US. Not overseas, where bandwidth (apparently) is cheaper and more plentiful. And those spammers would never move. I mean, they have roots put down in the US! They wouldn't want to leave all their spammin' buddies behind.

Naw. They'll never, ever, EVER, go over to the UK or try to setup botnets in the UK. Crazy, crazy, mayor.

But you forgot about... (2, Informative)

teknomage1 (854522) | more than 8 years ago | (#13656213)

Doesn't most spam come from the United States? It sounds like this is a British ISP, so I really wouldn't worry about it that much if you truely are concerned.

"You forgot about Poland!"

OMG PORN (1, Insightful)

Pinefresh (866806) | more than 8 years ago | (#13656037)

that will totally revolutionise my porn habit!

Re:OMG PORN (5, Funny)

Jambon (880922) | more than 8 years ago | (#13656165)

Remember: It is not the size of your pipeline that matters. It is how well you handle it.

Re:OMG PORN (1)

DurendalMac (736637) | more than 8 years ago | (#13656184)

Pffft. That's nothing. When I lived in Moses Lake, WA, I got my porn on a residential fiber optic 100Mbps symmetrical pipe. I still have my webserver on it at a friend's place.

correction.... (3, Funny)

BarronVonGoerig (907146) | more than 8 years ago | (#13656038)

Note from the administrators...BYTE THIS

shame on america (-1, Flamebait)

Anonymous Coward | more than 8 years ago | (#13656040)

why cant we have these kinds of services(besides Fios)? fuck Bush

pretty interesting deal (1)

muzik4machines (834892) | more than 8 years ago | (#13656041)

i hope we will move toward that here in canada too, currently the fastest is 8Mbps cable and it cost about 80 canadian$

Re:pretty interesting deal (1)

Digital11 (152445) | more than 8 years ago | (#13656199)

So thats what, $5.73USD? I'm moving to Canada!

Re:pretty interesting deal (1)

Fox_1 (128616) | more than 8 years ago | (#13656253)

I have 10 Mb downstream in NS from the local cable company, costs me just 45$ (or 50% of my total cable bill). In 1997 I had 7Mb downstream in Halifax on DSL for 40$ a month. The tech really has been pretty much there for a long time, just now with all the music and vid downloads (Pop and Porn drives deployment) consumers actually want/need something faster then 2Mb. Besides aren't we getting the nationwide wireless network soon, that'll be at least 11Mb.

Wouldn't it be nice (1)

Kickboy12 (913888) | more than 8 years ago | (#13656042)

It'll probably be a while before major US ISP's start going to higher speeds. Kind of sucks.

Re:Wouldn't it be nice (2, Insightful)

Ironsides (739422) | more than 8 years ago | (#13656148)

It'll probably be a while before major US ISP's start going to higher speeds. Kind of sucks.

I'm not sure how much use a 24Mb connection is, considering that most websited don't have that much bandwidth to begin with. With the current backbones it's hard enough to use up 10Mb with only one site. Maybe when the backbones get up higher or server bandwith goes up, but not till then.

Re:Wouldn't it be nice (1)

timmarhy (659436) | more than 8 years ago | (#13656217)

nonsense. how big do you think website are ffs? 1 meg at most for a front page? this demand is driven mostly for downloading music and movies (and yet riaa can't take the fucking hint how dense can they be) and the fact that cable and dsl aren't viable everywhere.

Not the only one in the uk (2, Insightful)

grahamsz (150076) | more than 8 years ago | (#13656236)

Blueyonder are rolling out a 10Mbit service, and they are one of the biggest uk broadband isps.

http://www.telewest.co.uk/websales/service.do?id=2 [telewest.co.uk]

It's weird how the US used to lead the world. I remember in 98 being stuck on a 56k dialup while the americans all had cable modems. Now i'm in the US on a 3mbit microwave link and wishing i could get uk style connectivity :(

Australia first (5, Interesting)

davisk (664811) | more than 8 years ago | (#13656043)

Internode [on.net] have offered this in Australia for some time. Wish it was available where I am, but i'm stuck on 12000/1000 with iinet [iinet.com.au] (no, i don't work for either of them, but i've been a happy customer of both)

Re:Australia first (1)

Yakman (22964) | more than 8 years ago | (#13656065)

Maybe they mean 24 megabyte/sec, after all the headline does say "24MB" not "24Mb". Unlikely :)

I'm on an exchange that is "Planned" for an Internode DSLAM (Glebe NSW), woo! Better than not being on the list at all. I can't wait to be paying $10/mo less for 16 times the speed. Well, 16 times is the max - but still.

Re:Australia first (3, Insightful)

Luketh (696002) | more than 8 years ago | (#13656107)

So have Adam Internet, which I'm running through (Rather be through internode though, I didn't get the call, however).

Weird that we should get the hook-up before any of the US providers.

Another odd thing is that Telstra isn't actually choosing to provide DSL2+ as part of its service. Their own BigPond service will stay at 10Mbps cable or whatever. They will allow other companies like Adam and Internode to install their own equipment in the telephone exchanges to allow for DSL2+ though.

I went from 64kbps (throttled from 1500k) to 24Mbps in a day... the human mind just can't comprehend on a scope like that. It's like Paris Hilton inventing a cure for cancer, and moreso, one that doesn't involve simply killing them with STDs instead.

Re:Australia first (5, Informative)

Elyscape (882517) | more than 8 years ago | (#13656133)

There's one, big, fundamental difference in the services provided. Internode caps the amount of data you're allowed to download [on.net] (15-60 gigs, depending on how much you pay). Meanwhile, Be has no download cap whatsoever [bethere.co.uk] . This, I think, makes Be's service significantly better.

Fact of Life in Australia (2, Interesting)

Anonymous Coward | more than 8 years ago | (#13656167)

Download caps are a fact of life in Australia. All ISP's have them, because we have to pay lots of money for international data.

Internode does offer flatrate at ADSL2+ speeds, but you are prioritised during periods of high network usage (depending on a 7 day rolling total of downloads).

Re:Australia first (3, Interesting)

JuzzFunky (796384) | more than 8 years ago | (#13656200)

I'm with Internode's 24Mb plan.
If you exceed your download limit your connection will be 'shaped'. You are never charged more than your usual monthly fee. As I understand it (and I am open to correction) Shaping involves slwoing your connection down if and only if their servers are under heavy load (ie. it is affecting other users). They do this to keep things fair for all of their users. I've been over my limit a number of times and have not noticed any slow down at all.
What I like about it is that they are very explicit about the limits of their service.

From the Be site: https://www.bethere.co.uk/beonline/acceptableUse.d o/ [bethere.co.uk]
"If it's felt that any member's Internet activities are so excessive that other members are detrimentally affected, Be may give the member generating the excessive web traffic a written warning (by email or otherwise). In extreme circumstances, should the levels of activity not immediately decrease after the warning, Be may terminate that member's services."

The reality of it all is that you will not find many people out there serving up content at 24Mb. Except for direct conections with Internode's mirrors and Gaming Servers (which make the whole thing worth while!) you'll be spending your time waiting for the Internet to catch up with you.

Re:Australia first (2, Interesting)

mattjb0010 (724744) | more than 8 years ago | (#13656201)

This, I think, makes Be's service significantly better.

There's also a lot of local content (eg ABC) that doesn't count to the cap. Internode have a lot of nice things (including a wide range of Linux and BSD distros) on their mirror site. Further, Internode provision a lot of backhaul capacity, and their own direct links to the US via Southern Cross cable. The two good effects of having the cap: they are able to maintain better backhaul capacity, and this stays freer due to people not downloading as much. 15GB a month is a lot of traffic for me, anyway. Also, I need the speed for running X11 over ssh tunnels from Linux to OS X boxes.

Re:Australia first (1)

asumaboy (512533) | more than 8 years ago | (#13656214)

Quality of the providers network and service has little to do with the fact there is no cap.

Contention anyone?

Re:Australia first (4, Interesting)

ColaMan (37550) | more than 8 years ago | (#13656241)

Meanwhile, Be has no download cap whatsoever. This, I think, makes Be's service significantly better.

You're comparing apples to oranges a little here. Internode (in Australia) is crippled somewhat by the limited capacity and high cost of overseas links.

Be had better be prepared for the incredible amount of leeeeching. 24Mbps is no good if you'll only get that to the next system upstream at the Be office, with 5k/s to The Rest Of The World. As pretty much all relevant ISPs (that is, the ones that are still in business) have discovered, truly unlimited high-speed internet is not a good, sustainable business plan at the moment.

This is why Internode, for example, have plans that get shaped to 64kbps after your limit. They also have flatrate plans that (after a set amount) dynamically prioritise your packets depending on how much you've downloaded compared to everyone else online at the moment. These are more expensive (AUD100-200/month). Then you have the true, unlimited 'leased-line' style plans, which cost in the order of AUD500-1000 a month.

So I wonder how much backbone capacity Be has, and I also wonder how long it will be before they completely oversubscribe it to the point of end-users leaving. I give it 6 months, tops. Bookmark this post :-)

Internode (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 8 years ago | (#13656139)

Yeah, I'm currently synching at 8Mbit/second on an Internode DSLAM. I've only got an ADSL1 modem though, so I need get an ADSL2+ one (Billion 7402 VGP, probably) for better speeds. I'm hoping for around 10-12Mb/s with that modem, which will be sweet :)

15GB/month download quota is killing me though :(

Re:Australia first (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 8 years ago | (#13656234)

Yeah, they've already rolled out ADSL2+ in several South Australian suburbs, my exchange was about two months ago. I'm already on the ADSL2+ (24Mb/s plan) and it's very nice! IT doesn't really hit 24Mb/s, more like 10 - 12Mb/s, but the main bottleneck is the connection at the other end anyway. But you can have 5 - 8 downloads going at 150 KB/s each, so it's all good :)

ISPs all have download caps in Australia--unless you get an expensive unlimited plan--but at 30GB/month who gives a shit....other than porn addicts who really needs to download more than a GB a day?

Link? (1)

RaffiRai (870648) | more than 8 years ago | (#13656044)

Are we.. missing a link here?

In case anybody wants to read it... (5, Informative)

Anonymous Coward | more than 8 years ago | (#13656049)

Here's a link:

http://www.guardian.co.uk/print/0,3858,5294551-103 676,00.html [guardian.co.uk]

AC to avoid the whoring.

Re:In case anybody wants to read it... (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 8 years ago | (#13656067)

"AC to avoid the whoring."

Nah. You're still a whore!

I love bandwidth (3, Informative)

ReformedExCon (897248) | more than 8 years ago | (#13656051)

But I also love service and stability and a broadband connection that is always available. My experience with English broadband is that it is run over deteriorating copper wires that were apparently laid when Alex Bell was experimenting with his telegraph machine, and which are frequently sliced into little segments by construction crews mangling the roads.

Sure they offer high speed access, but can they also offer guaranteed access?

If it does work out, my only wish was that I was able to get on that network. Limping along at 512kbps is not quite the exhilarating ride that it once was when I first switched from 56.6 dialup.

Re:I love bandwidth (0, Offtopic)

Lord Kano (13027) | more than 8 years ago | (#13656146)

Limping along at 512kbps is not quite the exhilarating ride that it once was when I first switched from 56.6 dialup.

Quit yer bitchin'. In the US we never saw above 53K dialup.

8 Years ago I got ISDN and was paying over $120 per month for 128Kb connectivity.

LK

Re:I love bandwidth (2, Informative)

saitoh (589746) | more than 8 years ago | (#13656193)

well, while they dont come out and "guarentee" access, they do compensate you for non-service days which is cool. If only my cable company did that...

quote:

>>>What happens if my service is disrupted?

We're committed to providing you with a service that has as few disruptions as possible.
In the unlikely event that you experience a loss of service caused by us for more than 5 consecutive days (for home members) and 24 consecutive hours (for office members), you will be compensated for each day's disruption, by a reduction in your monthly service fee equivalent to the amount you would have paid for service on those days.

In order to receive this reduction, you will need to notify us as soon as the service failure occurs and request the appropriate reduction by contacting member services when your service is restored. See our 'Standard terms and conditions' for more information.

Re:I love bandwidth (1)

ReformedExCon (897248) | more than 8 years ago | (#13656205)

"caused by us" is the key phrase there. If something horrific happens on their end, they will reduce your next month's bill by the pro-rated amount. Better than nothing, but not that far from it.

It doesn't cover anything in the middle, so any network problems that occur outside their doors are automatically not their problem. The infrastructure itself (when I was over there) is a mess, and there isn't much an ISP can do about that. There really isn't a good, direct relationship between an ISP and a subscriber. The subscriber is at the mercy of the wire-owners which are typically not the ISPs themselves.

Me likey 24Mbps (-1, Offtopic)

SocietyoftheFist (316444) | more than 8 years ago | (#13656052)

Me likey 24Mbps, Me likey 24Mbps, Me likey 24Mbps
You're a big boy now Minister...

Unlimited Use (3, Interesting)

LordMyren (15499) | more than 8 years ago | (#13656054)

Wasnt it not all that long ago the UK was charging per-minute? It seemed unlimited use dialup was always very rare. Something in the back of my mind buzzes about phone use & taxes or something, but I dunno.

Congradz though, that sounds truly excellent. I'm glad to see someone going above 768k upstream. Thats the barrier I thought would never be crossed.

-Myren

Re:Unlimited Use (3, Interesting)

saitoh (589746) | more than 8 years ago | (#13656114)

might be, one of the strings attached is:

"To subscribe customers must have a BT phone line"

although I'm not sure what plans BT has to offer, I know that culturally it seems to have been the norm in the market place to have per-min charges on the phone instead of a flat rate per month.

Re:Unlimited Use (4, Informative)

brain159 (113897) | more than 8 years ago | (#13656227)

UK local telephone calls were not free/unmetered. (there may be some service arrangements which change this now, I've not kept up with that). This meant that going modem-to-modem cost money. Because of some flexibility/complication in the UK phone system, there's a bunch of dialling codes which are non-geographic - 0845 numbers were originally "local rate" (but now the effective cost of a real local call has dropped, whereas the rate to call these has not), 0800s are free to the caller, etc.

(This means that customer services sort of numbers are either 0845, or 0870 "national rate" lines - they cost more to call, aren't typically included in cellphone package minutes, and creates a token revenue stream for the company you're calling while you're on hold!)

In the super-early-days, you paid your ISP and then paid to dial in to their 0845 local-rate POP line.

Then Freeserve (now Wanadoo) and co turned up - they realised that if you worked with a telecoms company, you could receive a slice of the per-minute fee that users paid for calling in to your 0845 number. Thus did Pay-As-You-Go dialup arrive in the UK; you paid your phone bill, the ISP took their cut from that - no monthly fee. (note: unlike netzero and similar in the US, there was no adbar or weirdy crap - straight PPP dialup.)

Some technical change happened which made it possible for ISPs to offer flat-rate access, without them having to pay the high costs of letting heavy users dial in to real 0800 lines for ages on end. I'm not entirely sure what this change is, but it was reliant wholly on you having a BT landline (it was some hack with trick numbers in the local exchanges, turning the call into data earlier or somesuch.). Now, you could go back to paying a monthly fee, but not pay for your calls (as the access number was now free to call).

Aaah yes, must clarify the whole "having a BT phoneline" thing. It's *not* a given in the UK that the RJblah phone jack in someone's house is necessarily hooked up to the local BT phone exchange (or wiring cabinet, or whatever). In the UK, the cable TV companies also provide telephone service over their own kit - right down to running new copper in to your house and adding a new socket. When they launched this, they offered cheaper call prices than BT (and you could port your number the way the developed world can with cellphone numbers), and eventually got round to offering PAYG and Unmetered dialup roughly when BT customers got it (but you have to use the Cable company as your ISP to have Unmetered Dialup). Nowadays the UK broadband services say "must have a BT line" because the cable companies won't/can't/don't DSLify their POTS loops (they don't need to, they offer cable modem broadband). If you really want DSL, you can have a BT landline alongside a Cable-company one, or in place of it.

(this is all from memory, at time of posting it's about 6am in the UK and I need some sleep. I've not put in a specific timescale since I'd be guessing entirely - Unmetered dialup has been around here a good few years now, easily.)

A Trend Indeed! (2, Insightful)

nich0las (912051) | more than 8 years ago | (#13656055)

I would hope that trend spills into the US! (a link would have helped me get my facts right) The last time I heard about connections in the UK it was about 60 pounds for a one meg line! I would certainly hope that US providers would be willing to give me 24 Mb for only $42! Instead of 3Mb for $40!

Sweet (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 8 years ago | (#13656056)

I pay more than that for Adelphia, and everything about them sucks, including the speed.

ummmm... (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 8 years ago | (#13656058)

theyve had various companies offering this speed in Australia for more than 6 months now....

REALLY REALLY HIGH Speeeed (1)

oxnyx (653869) | more than 8 years ago | (#13656059)

Of course saddly it would take a real big torrent to fill that kind of download stream. I remeber upgrading to DSL after a few years on 56kbps and the biggest probelm was that most of the net still came in at about the same speed due to back bone. Good new that the last mile is becoming much closer to the max speed with huge cable replacments.

It's symbiotic (1)

rincebrain (776480) | more than 8 years ago | (#13656198)

The best part, for me at least, about this pipe is that it offers decent upstream.

This will, in turn, increase the general level of KB/s that people cap their upstream to.

This will, in turn, result in faster torrents. :D

Not gonna happen here... (1, Insightful)

mwilli (725214) | more than 8 years ago | (#13656069)

It would be nice if this would be implemented here in the states, but the corporate entities that provide teh high speed internet access are quite greedy and, if/when they manage to provide that kind of bandwith, it would cost tremendously more than $43 a month.

Re:Not gonna happen here... (2, Informative)

jbellows_20 (913680) | more than 8 years ago | (#13656099)

...but the corporate entities that provide teh high speed internet access are quite greedy

That's why the infrastructure needs to be done by the city. Where I live the city has done just that and everyone has the opportunity to receive 10Mbps for only $40. Now I know that this cost is more per megabit than the article talks about. But still, when compared to what cable and telcos offer, it's a great price.

Re:Not gonna happen here... (2, Interesting)

ReformedExCon (897248) | more than 8 years ago | (#13656121)

"It would be nice if this would be implemented here in the states, but the corporate entities that provide teh high speed internet access are quite greedy and, if/when they manage to provide that kind of bandwith, it would cost tremendously more than $43 a month."

That wouldn't be the case if the U.S. government saw fit to fund such a program. If the internet is a good thing, as I hope we can all agree, then getting it into the homes of every citizen ought to be a goal that we can all rally around. If companies are unwilling to bring forth broadband services to uncompetitive areas, the government can use a combination of carrots and sticks to goad private enterprises into those areas.

Is it a little bit Socialist? Yeah, sure. But legislated and managed effectively, it can be economically implemented with very little raise in costs (taxes) to the average citizen. Since we are talking about the UK in this article, we can look at their NHS program and see how much more services are provided at a lower average cost than the same services in the U.S. Government funding doesn't need to be some mysterious, mismanaged black hole. It only seems that way because we elect leaders who are more interested in getting pork barrel spending for their home districts rather than helping the entire country.

Re:Not gonna happen here... (2, Interesting)

TheGSRGuy (901647) | more than 8 years ago | (#13656207)

I could see this being used more for small businesses right now, not consumers. A small engineering firm with say, 20 employees, could get a lot of use from this moving big CAD files to and from customers. Even branch offices of larger companies could use it for some wicked-fast VPN connections to a corporate server.

wohooo!!! (2)

Dragon Rojo (843344) | more than 8 years ago | (#13656078)

now i can waste less time downloading pr0n and spend more watching it.

Re:wohooo!!! (1)

Basehart (633304) | more than 8 years ago | (#13656134)

There should be an equation similar to Moore's law which determines how technological advances facilitate the distribution and consumption of porn.

How about Hill's law (as in Benny):

Hill's Law

(hillz lâ) (n.) The observation made by Benny Hill (RIP), co-founder of Hill's Angels, that the number of porn images that could be downloaded in one sitting had doubled every day since the internet was invented by Al Gore. Hill predicted that this trend would continue for the foreseeable future. In subsequent years, the pace slowed down a bit, but porn downloads still doubled approximately every 18 days, and this is the current definition of Hill's Law, which Hill himself has blessed. Most experts, including Hill himself, expect Hill's Law to hold for at least another two very tiring decades.

Can they really deliver? (1)

Perseid (660451) | more than 8 years ago | (#13656083)

It's not unusual, even in my own personal observation, to see an ISP advertise higher rates than they can realistically provide on a regular basis. I mean, how many people with Charter 3Mb get far less than that?

Time will tell. It might be time to move to the UK and endure the kidney pie for a while.

24Mb/s Broadband (2, Insightful)

mrclark13 (812867) | more than 8 years ago | (#13656084)

While this is without a doubt good news, I don't really see that happening in the U.S. very soon. After all, why should the big tel-co's spend more to upgrade their infrastructure when broadband growth is slowing? I personally hope that isn't the case, but I don't really see it being otherwise.

Verizon Fios (2, Informative)

ixtapolapoquetl (622233) | more than 8 years ago | (#13656088)

In the DC/Maryland Suburbs you can get 15Mbps for $44.99. I have 2Mbps upstream with it, so I think a part of the story is incorrect... Fios would be faster upstream. Though I understand not a lot of people have Fios available to them.

<Homer>Suckers.</Homer> :)

Re:Verizon Fios (1)

sommie (813451) | more than 8 years ago | (#13656128)

Which Maryland suburbs would that be?

But are servers even fast enough for that? (3, Insightful)

TheCarlMau (850437) | more than 8 years ago | (#13656090)

Are servers even fast enough for that? For an impractical example, having 1mb/s line and trying to connect to a 28kb/s server makes having that 1mb/s pretty much useless. The same could be, I guess, true in this case.

(Although I'm not sure if I know what I'm talking about!)

Re:But are servers even fast enough for that? (1)

Mattygfunk1 (596840) | more than 8 years ago | (#13656161)

Are servers even fast enough for that?

Yes, generally. Most servers hosted in a datacenter (95% at a guess) are connected to either 10MB or 100MB ethernet.

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Laugh Daily video clips for adults [laughdaily.com]

That's enough (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 8 years ago | (#13656091)

Sounds like they're ready for customized television over there. Time to upgrade your television servers: OHUK [overheardintheuk.com] .

I have had 26 Mbps for 3 years (4, Interesting)

G3ckoG33k (647276) | more than 8 years ago | (#13656108)

This IS old news... I have had this service for three years, but in Sweden.

The cool thing, apart from the bandwidth is that it comes directly through the telephone jacket. No need for new cables.

Re:I have had 26 Mbps for 3 years (5, Informative)

MetalBlade (918113) | more than 8 years ago | (#13656190)

I agree with G3ckoG33k. This is very old news.

I've had 10/10 Mbit _fiber_ for more years than I can remember, and I have lots of friends with both 24/1 and 100/100 Mbit.
Right now I pay 30 per month for 10Mbit, I think the price for 100Mbit is 60 per month.

The cool thing about my connection is that the fiber goes all the way to your basement, then TP cables from there up to your switch, then to your computer. The only network knowledge you need to have is how to use DHCP since you get 5 dynamic public IP addresses.

I really hate when a site such as /. comes up with news that is this old. Sure there are lots of people who had no idea of this, but I think that the people who post the news should be more up-to-date.

Re:I have had 26 Mbps for 3 years (1)

poopdeville (841677) | more than 8 years ago | (#13656238)

Is there a bandwidth cap? What country is this? Do they accept foreigners?

Re:I have had 26 Mbps for 3 years (1)

Fastball (91927) | more than 8 years ago | (#13656264)

Yeah, I guess by the time I'm done downloading the news, you've been finished with it for three years.

WAAAAA Haaaa HAaaaa SOB!! SOB!! (0, Offtopic)

JohnnyGTO (102952) | more than 8 years ago | (#13656109)

I pay that much for the crap COX calls broadband! waaaaaaaaaa....

I mean what does it take to get an american company to do something progressive and customer oriented???

I guess I shouldn't bad mouth them to muc^%%%#*>23fFFFhgv%$#( carrier lost....

Lack of info in the blurb... (2, Informative)

Donniedarkness (895066) | more than 8 years ago | (#13656117)

First of all, the blurb is lacking a link to the article that it mentions:

http://shopping.guardian.co.uk/computers/story/0,1 587,1525508,00.html/ [guardian.co.uk]

Next up, for those of you who can't tell, this is UK-only.

Now, here's my question: Is this service really all it's cracked up to be? Anyone know anyone else on it?

You can get this in Utah too... (5, Informative)

Acius (828840) | more than 8 years ago | (#13656124)

Parts of Utah now have a 15 Mbit SYMMETRIC connection available, which is enough to make any torrenting geek happy (one ISP doing this is here [xmission.com] ). That's $44/mo, and they're doing 30 Mbit symmetric for $109/mo (although technically that's a "business" package). Mostly, I'm happy to see a non-stupid upstream finally available in a home package (and looks like they don't bother blocking port 80, either).

Re:You can get this in Utah too... (1)

OverlordQ (264228) | more than 8 years ago | (#13656145)

Yea, but you're capped at 100 Gigs [xmission.com] .

Re:You can get this in Utah too... (1)

Acius (828840) | more than 8 years ago | (#13656172)

Yeah, and if you're downloading 3-4 DVD's worth of stuff a day this can get annoying. If you go over, it's $10 for every extra 10 gigabytes per month. Painful, but meh.

Re:You can get this in Utah too... (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 8 years ago | (#13656251)

Thanks for bringing that up and pissing me off all over again. Have you ever seen a map of the UTOPIA fiber optic network coverage? There's a big sinking hole named 'Salt Lake City' with people enjoying 15 Mbit symmetric all around it. And I still have to deal with Qwest.

EP. (-1, Offtopic)

Anonymous Coward | more than 8 years ago | (#13656125)

Clear she couldn't resulted in the BSD maNaged to make turd-suckingly progress. Any notwithstanding, could save it way. It used to be

Real speed (1, Interesting)

robvangelder (472838) | more than 8 years ago | (#13656136)

I get suspicious of the reported speeds.

I wonder how an ISP can really talk about Internet speeds. The Internet speed is outside of their control. One day you might get 24Mb but the next 12Mb. Some sites might not even have 24Mb!

What the ISP reports is very likely "your place to ISP" speeds, not "your place to deadbeef.com"

I know that when I dial-up 56k, I'm pretty likely to get 56k no matter where I surf.
As my bandwidth increases (256Kb, 2Mb, 24Mb), it gets less and less likely I'm going to get that service to any one site.

Another thing to consider is that ISPs typically don't give you dedicated 24Mb.
You get 24Mb on the "your place to ISP" line, then you and all other customers share the "ISP to internet" line.
ISPs work out peak usage and ensure no customer gets capped - or at least, the good ones do.

So while you might get 24Mb to the ISP, it'll depend a lot on time of day, internet conditions, destination site, etc..

Until an industry accepted standard/metric index appears, these reported speeds are the best we've got to go on.

24 Mb Consumer Broadband Launched (1)

JanHolbo (549893) | more than 8 years ago | (#13656158)

Where I live in Denmark (Fredericia to the Danes and those who know where that is) We are getting Fiber to Home which will give us pretty fast internet at fairly low prices considering the Danish Market. 1/1 Mbits for DKK 149 (USD 23,50) 10/10 MBits for DKK 299 (USD 47,00 20/20 MBits for DKK 599 (USD 74,00) All a monthly fee And we will get Voice over IP and Cable TV on the same fiber. Customers are already being connected (although I am not sure at which speeds)

Re:24 Mb Consumer Broadband Launched (1)

JanHolbo (549893) | more than 8 years ago | (#13656180)

link (in Danish I am afraid :/) www.trefiber.dk [trefiber.dk]

24 Mb, 24 MB, or whatever (1, Insightful)

Anonymous Coward | more than 8 years ago | (#13656159)

Letter to Cox Communications - you suck!

Ok, I'm running for president. (2, Funny)

crhylove (205956) | more than 8 years ago | (#13656163)

This is my campaign: Nationwide Broadband Internet Access as part of our national infrastructure, like the highways. I'm only 28, but it will probably take 7 years to get enough publicity to actually run.

Other issues will be met on a case by case basis, however, I will also stop government handouts to corporations that already make billions.

These are my two platforms. I'm running on the green ticket, just because the other two parties don't represent me at all and Ralph Nader has been at times a personal hero for me. In addition, the other two parties seem completely beholden to the corporations that are getting government handouts.

I'm setting up a website now, I'll post the URL in a bit.

rhY

Re:Ok, I'm running for president. (1)

crhylove (205956) | more than 8 years ago | (#13656263)

Here is the URL:
http://www.leperkhanz.com/president.html [leperkhanz.com]

and a link for the forums for discussion:
http://www.leperkhanz.com/forum/viewforum.php?f=34 [leperkhanz.com]

and my campaign platform:
"I strongly believe in the rights of man as set forth in our constitution and bill of rights. I feel they have eroded somewhat with the passage of time and the progress of technology. I feel it is vital to renew some of our individual rights in the face of technology as set forth by our founding fathers. There are several ways to do this including but not limited to:

Improving our national infrastructure, not just our IT infrastructure (which seems non-existent, at the moment), but also improving our military by more effectively budgeting resources, and improving our education and medical systems. Currently there seems to be a lot of scalping and corporate bullying of the american tax payer particularly in the medical industry, and there are many countries already ahead of us on this issue.

Improving our patent and copyright system. As a musician and a fan of computer technology, I have seen first hand since the BBS years to today the holes and problems faced by artists, scientists and other "IP" type fields in the face of new technology. There needs to be a system in place that compensates intellectual proprieters while also empowering the rest of society. Specifically, in the field of science, information should be widely available in the areas that effect human health and progress, yet we still need a system that supports those pioneers in their fields. Imagine if Tesla or Edison had been supported more by tax money in their day, how much farther we as a species would be today.

Improving our education and electoral systems. The only way to a truly healthy democracy is through an informed and educated electorate. This is the primary reason the US led the way by mandating educations for all of our children. Currently our education system, and indeed our entire information system seem guided by corporate and monetary interests, rather than educational interests. The rights to the best texts in each subject should be bought by the government and resold AT COST with YEARLY UPDATES for each field. Paying $200 for books that may or may not improve on last years edition is stifling our national abilities to educate ourselves, from the college level down to the kindergarten level. Also many of the ways and structures for teaching have been shown inefficient by scientific studies and need to be updated. There is also in inherent bias in texts sold by a money making organization which may be downplaying important information specifically in the interest of making more money. God knows there was a LOT of mis-information and dis-information in my own education, because my books were dated. There was no land bridge that Native Americans crossed over from Asia on. Genetic studies have put this theory completely to rest. This is just one small example. Schools still teach basic, and who uses basic? Schools should teach C. It's just smarter and better, and will help future potential programmers already know the language they will most likely work with. Also at this point computer programming and information technology should be a class that is more important than any of the other ones. Putting together a team of top educators and computer experts, I'm sure we could achieve a curriculum far more useful for ALL students than "World History" or "PE".

It is my honor to be an american, and one of this generation that has already achieved so much. Let's help catapult the future generations by insuring a strict return to our inaliable rights and life, liberty and the pursuit of happiness."

-rhY September 2005

Mbs Upstream (1)

neildiamond (610251) | more than 8 years ago | (#13656168)

All I care is the upstream speed at this point. Right now I have roughly 1.5 Mbs with FiOS (which I recommend you looking at VERY carefully before calling Verizon to install it as they try to rip out your copper telephone lines). P2P rarely goes above 1 Mb up or down so what is the point of the additional bandwidth anyway. OTOH I would love more upstream bandwidth to host Shoutcast or whatever.

More info: (and where's the catch?) (5, Informative)

saitoh (589746) | more than 8 years ago | (#13656173)


(shamefully yanked from their Tell Me More page, read below for my thoughts on their definition of unlimited usage and how they define it and their process)

Features

        * Up to 24 meg download speed
        * Up to 1.3 meg upload speed
        * Unlimited Internet access
        * No download caps
        * Free high specification wireless Be Box modem

Options

        * Be static IP
        * Be home email and webspace, coming soon (click here for more info)
        * More coming soon

Be Box modem

        * ADSL 2+ enabled
        * 4 port 10/100 megs Ethernet switch (1 port reserved for future use)
        * 54 megs 802.11 b/g wireless interface
        * 2 voice over broadband ports (future use)
        * 1 analog back-up (future use)
        * OS Independent (Ethernet)

Requirements

        * A rampant thirst for speed
        * BT phone line
        * A device capable of communicating via TCP/IP (like a Windows PC, Mac, Xbox with Live...)
        * An Ethernet port for a wire connection to the Be Box
        * A 802.11b or 802.11g compatible network adapter for wireless connection to the Be Box
        * Windows 98SE / Mac OS 8.6 or higher

Getting Be

        * Place your order online
        * If your order is accepted, your BT phone line will physically be connecting to our network in your local exchange (this usually takes about 2 - 4 weeks)
        * You will be sent our welcome pack, including our Be Box modem and your line will be activated
        * Follow our DIY instant broadband instructions in your welcome pack and you will be ready to go

-------------

Now, this looks rather straight forward, and I keep wondering "wheres the catch?" My only guess would be that either they are using fiber to make this economical for them on the business end, or they are going to throttle/mercilessly prosecute illegal activities which take place on their network, thus reducing load... I wouldnt expect any company to state the later, but the former might have been touted as a feature. So I went digging and came across their TOS policy (conviently linked under the "is this really unlimited" section of the FAQ (note #11):

So what can Be's services not be used for?

      1. Unlawful, fraudulent, criminal or otherwise illegal activities
      2. Sending, receiving, publishing, posting, distributing, disseminating, encouraging the receipt of, uploading, downloading or using any material which is offensive, abusive, defamatory, indecent, obscene, unlawful, harassing or menacing or a breach of the copyright, trademark, intellectual property, confidence, privacy or any other rights of any person
      3. Commercial purposes (unless you are a home member who is working from home as a sole trader in business on your own account or an office member in which case see below for limits on certain types of commercial use)
      4. Sending or uploading unsolicited emails, advertising or promotional materials, offering to sell any goods or services, or conducting or forwarding surveys, contests or chain letters except that home members working from home as a sole trader in business on their own account or office members are permitted to send marketing communications in accordance with the Privacy and Electronic Communications Regulations 2003 if sent in batches of no more than fifty (50) emails at any time, each individual campaign being sent to no more than five hundred (500) recipients, with no more than five (5) campaigns per month
      5. Knowingly or negligently transmitting or uploading any electronic material (including, without limit, files that contain viruses, corrupted files, or any other similar software or programmes) which is known or likely to cause, interrupt, damage, destroy or limit the functionality of any computer software, hardware or telecommunications equipment owned by Be or any other Internet user or person
      6. Activities that invade another's privacy, cause annoyance, inconvenience or needless anxiety to any person
      7. Activities that are in breach of any other third party's rights, including downloading, installation or distribution of pirated software or other inappropriately licensed software, deletion of any author attributions, legal notices or proprietary designations or labels in any file that is uploaded, falsification of the origin or source of any software or other material
      8. Anything that may disrupt or interfere with Be's network or services or cause a host or the network to crash
      9. Launching "denial of service" attacks; "mailbombing" attacks; or "flooding" attacks against a host or network
    10. Granting access to your Be services to others not residing at (for home) or located at (for office) the premises at which these Internet services are provided
    11. Making excessive use of, or placing unusual burdens on, the network, for example by sending or receiving large volumes of email or excessively large email attachments
    12. Circumventing the user authentication or security process of a host or network
    13. Creating, transmitting, storing or publishing any virus, Trojan, corrupting programme or corrupted data

#11 I think is the only one that you could do completely legal stuff, and still get zinged if your not careful. etree.org BTs (which are in the gigs per BT usually) or mirroring of material that is being hammered might fall under that, even though those could be completely legal activities. Further on down, they elaborate on this with:

What about excessive network usage?

"If it's felt that any member's Internet activities are so excessive that other members are detrimentally affected, Be may give the member generating the excessive web traffic a written warning (by email or otherwise). In extreme circumstances, should the levels of activity not immediately decrease after the warning, Be may terminate that member's services."

While they dont give a number (and I dont blame them from a business perspective), they at least will issue warnings. Fair enough to me.

I do like their "what if my kids or others I dont know break in and use my account to violate the TOS" and their response is "tough shit, its in the TOS". Looks good

Re:More info: (and where's the catch?) (1)

fgl (792403) | more than 8 years ago | (#13656256)

I'd want to get a number. Without it all you have is the airy fairy warning email (or whatever) & you have to throttle back (I prefer the ideal of "that which is not expressly forbidden is mandatory" Just like the laws of physics.)

I want a company that says "unlimited" to mean unlimited.

I also live in a country where the pinnacle of broadband is a 2mb connection, upstream limited to 128kbps 128!!! The usage tends to be capped at 1Gb per month. with each additional 10Gb of throughput an additional $10.

I live in New Zealand, hardly a 3rd world nation. But we suck when it comes to broadband.

the upstream blues (1)

Paladin144 (676391) | more than 8 years ago | (#13656174)

I'm glad to see that this service offers an upstream that's greater than the competition, but look at the relation between the upload speed and download speed. 1.3 Mb/s vs. 24 Mb/s? What the hell. It's even more lopsided than it is for me. Can't we get a decent upload stream?

Does anybody know of a cable company (or even DSL) that offers parity or at least near-parity between up & down-stream speeds? I mean, without having to invest in a T1, of course.

I feel like I got a case of the upstream blues. Uploading speed is vastly underrated, in my opinion. Many multiplayer games thrive with high upload speeds, and any bittorrent user knows that uploading is what makes the world go 'round. And what if I want to run an FTP site or host my own website - am I forever constrained to pedestrian speeds? Is there any momentum for increased upload speeds, or am I the only one who feels constrained upspeed pain (CPS)?

Isn't there a support group I could join or something? ::sobs::

That's quite a jump... (1)

internetdarwin (669976) | more than 8 years ago | (#13656178)

Seriously though, at what point is TOO much broadband? Belive me, I'm the usualy the first advovate of new technologies and ever increasing speeds, however for my current "consumer" needs I have a 6Mb download and 768Mb upstream (Comcast Cable) and even what I used to have it download 24/7 I would rarely max it or sustain it, and still done. Truthfully, the only reason I even have the 6Mb is because it came with the 768 up. Thats what I really pay for, is the pressious upstream.

Along with whatever these 24Mb consumers may want to download, you have to also consider what they don't know they are downloading or transimting, and ever so faster speeds now (think: spam) now, you can have a single machine on Be's network spam what used to take 10 "traditional" (think slower botneted) computers on slower connections. While you can't blame Be for empowering consumers with their services (in fact I salivate at the very thought of a world of real time application delivery and centralized goodness. VRML anyone? I can wait untill I can impracticaly fly though the internet! Watch out garbage files, here I come!)

Also:
Do they offer bussness serivices? because that's a HELL of a lot cheaper than a T1, or 16 of them for that matter.

they forgot the "Up to" 24M(b) (5, Insightful)

riprjak (158717) | more than 8 years ago | (#13656189)

This is ADSL2+, so the speeds are UP TO 24Mb. I notice the koolaid^H^H^H^H^H^H^H article doesnt make mention of the "Up to" part, and am amused that a slashdot editor drank said koolaid in the first place.

So, unless you were wise enough to purchase the house next to the exchange (and the cables run directly), you arent going to get even near this speed. In fact, the falloff in speed is quite rapid.

I have ADSL2+ at home (here in Adelaide, Australia) and said home is 3.2 km from the exchange as the crow flies (plus or minus GPS error), probably longer by cable; and Im getting 7.5Mb down and 1.0 Mbit up (1.0 is the upstream limit locally). In my particular situation, the difference between ADSL 2 and ADSL 2+ would be pretty negligible.

On a separate note, I wonder if they realise that their "Be Boxes" (from TFA which wasnt even liked in the beginning) might be mistaken for old school computers :)

Just my $0.02 AUD.
err!
jak.

Re:they forgot the "Up to" 24M(b) (1)

Jafar00 (673457) | more than 8 years ago | (#13656271)

The "Up to" is a very important point.
Here in Paris we have neuf telecom promoting "Up to" 20Mb/1Mb for 14.90 Euros. I know 5 others with neuf's connection and apart from one who gets ~8Mb, we all get between 1Mb and ~1.7Mb in reality. I've been waiting nearly a year for them to upgrade the exchange or something so I can go faster but I'm not holding my breath.

Be Box vs BeBox (1)

MysteriousMystery (708469) | more than 8 years ago | (#13656210)

They reffered to the cable modem as a Be Box, sounds very similar to the title given out to the original BeOS systems which was known as a BeBox. Just another way to confuse everyone but the super geeky.

Re:Be Box vs BeBox (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 8 years ago | (#13656250)

Wouldn't only the super geeky know BeOS as BeBox, or at all?

Maybe they're trying to confuse the geeks!

1. confuse geeks
2. confuse norms
3. ????
4. PROFIT!!!

The West is so far behind... (4, Interesting)

Rocketship Underpant (804162) | more than 8 years ago | (#13656218)

Here in Japan, I have 55 megabit fiber DSL. I'm still getting used to it. I can multiple download files at 1 MB/sec (that's megabyte, not megabit), and that's when there's a bottleneck at the other end. :)

But Japan wins hands down (2, Informative)

Tarq666 (545095) | more than 8 years ago | (#13656219)

I recently upgraded my old 20Mbps cable connection to a 100Mbps fibre optic connection. The main reason for the switch was the price; about ¥4000/month (approx. US$40) for the cable and under ¥3000/month for fibre optic. The upload bandwidth is around 10Mbps as well I think. Connection speed is one of the things that keeps me in this country.

Re:But Japan wins hands down (1)

Rustdragon (790893) | more than 8 years ago | (#13656254)

Which service are you currently using? YahooBB has a 100Mbps but it requires you to get their TV package. I haven't seen 100Mbps for 4000 yen yet. I use JCOM cable connection at 33Mbps down and 3Mbps up. I guess it's pretty fast compared to the US. Let me know what service you use.

"Hopefully"? (1)

Will_Malverson (105796) | more than 8 years ago | (#13656223)

Hopefully this will become a trend of radically increasing consumer internet speeds.


Yeah, hopefully a trend like that will start. I mean, my Internet connection speed has only gone from 2400bps in 1993 to 1.5Mbps today -- that's only one doubling every 16 or so months!

Radically increasing speeds? (1)

Blakey Rat (99501) | more than 8 years ago | (#13656226)

These articles have been coming out for years, and it's always just a "limited deployment" in some state/county/area of the world I've never heard of and I've never been to, and it never ends up where I live. I'm assuming it's the same for most people. Broadband power was supposed to be nationwide by now, then Verizon's fiber to the home... I've had the same DSL line since 1998, and it's never changed in any way, and this announcement probably isn't going to do much to get Verizon off their duff and upgrading.

I'd be happier with. (1)

Brad1138 (590148) | more than 8 years ago | (#13656239)

I'd be happier with 2-4 Mb for about $10-20/month.

FIOS (1)

diitante (779203) | more than 8 years ago | (#13656244)

My 15/2Mb FIOS line is great but I clearly run up against servers that have less bandwidth than I do. I cant imagine more speed giving me any more benefit at this point. M

I W A N T S T A T I C I P (0, Offtopic)

3770 (560838) | more than 8 years ago | (#13656248)

All I want is a static IP
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