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Besides... (4, Insightful)

demondawn (840015) | more than 8 years ago | (#13659047)

being a blatant slashvertisment (I mean, there's not even an article about it, it's just a link to OQO's website), this doesn't really seem all that impressive. Especially in the $2000 range, when for that price I can have a decent desktop PC (with better specs than this thing) AND a decent PDA. Do people in "healthcare and public safety" really need this sort of computing power at their fingertips all the time? And if so, shouldn't there be a better way to give it to them then that horrific looking mini-keyboard? Of course, I'm biased, I suppose.

Re:Besides... (5, Interesting)

MoralHazard (447833) | more than 8 years ago | (#13659153)

Especially in the $2000 range, when for that price I can have a decent desktop PC (with better specs than this thing) AND a decent PDA.

Well, duh! If you buy a desktop and a conventional PDA for $2000, YOU obviously don't need one of these things!

This seems more like a laptop--portable and fairly full-featured, without making any concessions on the interface or operating system. Sure, it's expensive, but it's brand new and doesn't have any competitors, yet, that I know of. So of course it's going to be pricey. Remember when PDAs first came out? We were paying $300+ for something with 8MB RAM and a black-and-white LCD.

And for the record, there IS a reason to buy one of these things: carrying a goddamned laptop around gets old, really quick! Unless you shell out for an ultraportable, you're lugging around several extra pounds of gear whenever you need to take it somewhere. But if you only take your PDA, you're sacrificing a lot of functionality, ESPECIALLY the full keyboard. On airplanes, too, using a full-size laptop in coach can be a real bitch.

Now, granted, I wouldn't buy one of these things with WinXP installed on it, but as soon as someone has it booting Linux... look out, bank balance!

Re:Besides... (2, Informative)

demondawn (840015) | more than 8 years ago | (#13659263)

Except this thing doesn't have a full keyboard either; in fact, the keyboard on this thing looks comprable to that on the higher-end PDAs. Which means if you DO want a full keyboard, you'll have to lug that around. For this price, if you really want to shell out $2000 for something superportable, there's the Sony U-line, which is about the same speed, just as portable, and has a real keyboard (if not full-sized, at least a lot more useable than the one on the OQO 01 (did they make that name just so it'd be hard to pronounce?)). This seems more like a laptop--portable and fairly full-featured, without making any concessions on the interface or operating system. Except we are making concessions on the interface. The screen pretty darn small, for laptop-style work, and as I said, that's not a "real" keyboard, in my opinion. And if you're looking for one without an OS pre-installed, I think you're going to have a bit of a wait there.

Booting Linux (1)

Fordiman (689627) | more than 8 years ago | (#13659760)

It's a standard computer, just with teensy hardware. It'll even boot from a USB device, like a CD ROM, for example.

Still, *covet*

Re:Besides... (1)

Doctor Memory (6336) | more than 8 years ago | (#13659828)

Remember when PDAs first came out? We were paying $300+ for something with 8MB RAM and a black-and-white LCD.

Actually, I do remember when PDAs first came out. I even bought a second-generation Palm Pilot Personal (back when they were still "U.S. Robotics"). US$200, and it only had (has, actually -- I still use it) 512K of RAM. The original Palm Pilots only had 128K IIRC. Don't know where you got an 8MB model, maybe you were a little late to the party?

Re:Besides... (1)

adavies42 (746183) | more than 8 years ago | (#13659898)

8MB would presumably be a IIIxe. I'm still carrying my IIIc, which is also 8MB, but is in color. (256 colors, and a transmissive screen, though, so it washes out in the sun like a '92 laptop.)

Re:Besides... (1, Insightful)

BHS_Turf (8387) | more than 8 years ago | (#13659168)

It is not a slashvertisment because it runs a Transmeta CPU. Anything that SlashGod Linus has touched is relevant to everyone that reads Slashdot. The news is that the device has been improved, and makes Linus' work look even better.

http://www.digg.com (1)

master_meio (834537) | more than 8 years ago | (#13659189)

It's a great place to get away from the irate 14 year-olds and effeminate, goatee-wearing cubicle shit that infests slashdork these days.

http://www.digg.com

P.S. Instead of growing a goatee, how about just stop being fat? You'll get more attention from girls that way. Also, stop being so selfish and think of it from their perspective: do you really want to hang around overweight people? Contrary to popular opinion, fat people tend to have mediocre personalities. All of my friends take care of their bodies.

Re:Besides... (1)

nine-times (778537) | more than 8 years ago | (#13659194)

being a blatant slashvertisment (I mean, there's not even an article about it, it's just a link to OQO's website), this doesn't really seem all that impressive.

I think you mean, "It doesn't seem all that practical"? Certainly it's impressive and neat to have a full-blown computer in a tiny package, right? It's just not practical, but cutting-edge devices often aren't.

So, sure, for most people and in most circumstances, it will be more effective and cost efficient to buy a desktop+PDA combo. For now. Give it a couple years, and who knows.

I remember when laptops weren't practical.

Re:Besides... (0)

Skye16 (685048) | more than 8 years ago | (#13659223)

>> I remember when laptops weren't practical.

What were the dinosaurs like?????

;]

Re:Besides... (3, Funny)

iocat (572367) | more than 8 years ago | (#13659372)

They smoked at their desks and used really heavy keyboards. And they talked about punch cards all the time. I was all "what was the primordial soup like?"

Re:Besides... (1)

eggoeater (704775) | more than 8 years ago | (#13659228)

They have to market it to specialized industries first because they're the only ones that can justify the expense. In the log run the price will come down and business execs will want these just so the can have the convenience of a laptop without the weight/size. It's semi-uable on a plane, and you just put it in a dock at work or home.

Re:Besides... (1)

interiot (50685) | more than 8 years ago | (#13659265)

Slashdot stories about iPods link directly to Apple's website. Yet nobody thinks those are slashvertisements.

What's the difference between a cool link and a slashvertisement?

It's whether or not people think it's actually cool (eg. the same thing that makes it show up on Digg, and BoingBoing, and Engadget, etc etc). And this device is cool. CmdrTaco says he wants one. I would want one (if I earned $150k+). Apparently you didn't really RTFA, because it is quite cool (engadget has covered it hundreds of times [google.com] , for instance).

Re:Besides... (1)

demondawn (840015) | more than 8 years ago | (#13659313)

Cool is entirely in the eye of the beholder. Just because /. says something is "teh awesome" doesn't mean it's the unfiltered word of God.

Re:Besides... (4, Insightful)

interiot (50685) | more than 8 years ago | (#13659386)

Engadget says it's cool [google.com] . I say it's cool. Wired thinks it's cool [google.com] . Digg thinks it's cool [google.com] .

I can understand that if you don't think it's cool, that your initial impression might be that this is a Slashvertisement. But I think it's established that it has somewhat wide appeal (not necessarily practical appeal, I don't know how many of these people linking to it are actually forking over the $2000 for one, but they still like to drool). At the very least, it's unlikely that Taco had to receive money to post this.

Re:Besides... (2, Interesting)

HardCase (14757) | more than 8 years ago | (#13659639)

It's also a doggone shame that they just appointed Joe Daltoso to their board of directors. That guy is the kiss of death to any tech company he touches. Just look at what happened to Micron PC (now MPC) and Interland after he got hold of them. MPC merged with Interland, Interland paid Gores Technology to take the company, which they turned around into a money maker. Interland's stock promptly went into the crapper and has stayed there ever since. Joe's famous last words? "The PC is dead - the future is the pure play Internet company."

The guy was so inept at Micron Technology that they shuffled him off to the red-headed stepchild (Micron PC). Fortunately, I got out before they laid off half the company!

-h-

Re:Besides... (1)

bedroll (806612) | more than 8 years ago | (#13659409)

Slashdot stories about iPods link directly to Apple's website. Yet nobody thinks those are slashvertisements. ... What's the difference between a cool link and a slashvertisement?

Exactly.

They linked directly to the website because the press release is there. If they waited until a review is found then linked to that everyone would be harping about how they saw it at xyz site two days ago and links to the press release would get karma whores +5 informative (it probably will anyway).

Personally, I think the grandparent would've been better served to post some other cliche really quick. Instead of, "It's a slashvertisement!" they posted "but will it run..." or "I for one welcome our new tiny pc overlords." They would've contributed just as much to the topic.

I would want one (if I earned $150k+).

Who, with enough disposable income, wouldn't want one of these? It'd completely emasculate the executive next to you who wears his RIM like a badge of honor.

Re:Besides... (2, Interesting)

hesiod (111176) | more than 8 years ago | (#13659503)

> Do people in "healthcare and public safety" really need this sort of computing power at their fingertips all the time?

I work in a hospital and yes, they need that power. Clinical Info Software can require a heck of a processor for some things. Also, the 100% availability is a very attractive prospect for bedside documentation, such as being able to point out EXACTLY when medication was given, and having an immediate notification to stop if you are about to administer the wrong drug.

Of course, at $1900 apiece, PDAs are a much more cost-friendly alternative.

As for the keyboard, you are exactly right. That thing is hideous. It's like trying to use your 1980s watch calculator for complex statistical analysis.

Re:Besides... (4, Insightful)

jjshoe (410772) | more than 8 years ago | (#13659652)

does healthcare needs this? quick answer, yes.

you're out in the field several buildings from your desk, how do you look up the remedy ticket to make sure you're in the right room when your shop has gone paperless? right now you're stuck finding a desktop or opening up a clunky laptop. you can't use a palm sized device because the screen size/resolution can't handle displaying something like a remedy ticket. there are a zillion and one more situations like this.

Re:Besides... (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 8 years ago | (#13659743)

this is for Mac customers, mainly... they're trying the same price point but with a substantially more advanced product to hit Apple where it hurts.

Sketching (1)

AllenChristopher (679129) | more than 8 years ago | (#13659983)

I'd drop $3000 on such a thing if I had it available. This thing has a Wacom pressure sensitive stylus, it's comparable in size to a CD player, and it is powerful enough to decently run Photoshop, or better in this case, Alias Sketchbook.

It's a real pain in the rear having to carry around a watercolour or marker set for colour sketching. Heavy, clunky, and a bit of a special effort. This I could get used to just having with me all the time. Clip it on my belt and go. The fact that it's a solid, if not amazing, laptop is just a bonus.

Any Details On Battery Life? (4, Interesting)

Tha_Big_Guy23 (603419) | more than 8 years ago | (#13659048)

According to TFA, it's 4.9x3.4x.9 inches, which as far as I can tell doesn't leave a whole lot of room for batteries. Considering that it's running a 1Ghz processor, and a fairly sizeable full color display for a portable, that has to be draining on the battery. I mean, it looks exceptionally cool, but I don't think I'd want one if I had to recharge it every hour.

Re:Any Details On Battery Life? (1)

Wayne247 (183933) | more than 8 years ago | (#13659101)

According to TFA

TFA? What FA? This was an advertisement directed at OQO's website!

Re:Any Details On Battery Life? (5, Informative)

Anonymous Coward | more than 8 years ago | (#13659102)

Re:Any Details On Battery Life? (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 8 years ago | (#13659608)

Geeze thats horrible. It probably lasts 1.5 hrs or less when browsing with wifi on. I would expect to be able to use a mobile device for more than 90 minutes before sitting down and plugging in.

Great, I've got to have one! (4, Insightful)

Roofus (15591) | more than 8 years ago | (#13659050)

Now, what the hell is an OQO? The writeup was a litle* lacking

* little = completely missing any and all relevant information. didn't want to waste time doing a real writeup, eh?

Re:Great, I've got to have one! (1)

Seumas (6865) | more than 8 years ago | (#13659143)

That's because it's a Slashdot advertisement. If they bothered to say "The new OQO model (insert what it's a model OF here)", nobody would go to the place's website and Slashdot couldn't justify whatever prices they're charging for the advertising. :)

Re:Great, I've got to have one! (5, Funny)

Anonymous Coward | more than 8 years ago | (#13659244)

what the hell is an OQO?
It's an ascii art elephant head, duh.

Re:Great, I've got to have one! (4, Informative)

interiot (50685) | more than 8 years ago | (#13659339)

It's something that's been widely covered [google.com] in the tech press, so it's reasonable to assume that people know what it's basically about. But here's a quick summary:
  • QWERTY keyboard
  • touch screen
  • runs a full version of Windows XP
  • 20GB hard drive
  • 256MB DDR RAM
  • 1GHz processor
  • built-in Bluetooth and WiFi
  • 3D-accelerated 1280 x 1024 VGA video output
  • very small size (4.9 x 3.4 x .9-inches), about the size of an iPod or PDA (scroll down for pictures [engadget.com] )

Re:Great, I've got to have one! (3, Insightful)

Minwee (522556) | more than 8 years ago | (#13659379)

Despite being so widely covered, I have never heard of it.

Would it have been that hard to call it an "Itty Bitty Computer" in the writeup, instead of linking to a slashdotted site and assuming that everybody knows all about it?

largest iPod made: (1)

YesIAmAScript (886271) | more than 8 years ago | (#13659758)

I have the largest iPod made, a 2G 20GB (thick one).

It is 4.01"x2.43"x0.875".

The total volume of the largest iPod made is 8.525 cubic inches.

The total volume of the OQO is 15 cubic inches.

So the OQO is about twice the size of the largest iPod made, let alone the average one.

So, the OQO is about the size of an iPod if a Ford F150 is about the size of a Civic.

Re:Great, I've got to have one! (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 8 years ago | (#13659771)

OQO Unveils the model 01+ Pocketable Windows XP Computer

rtfa

Nice but... (2, Interesting)

BattleRat (536161) | more than 8 years ago | (#13659062)

I don't know about you guys, but I am curious to know if its been hacked to run Linux (pick your distro)...

Re:Nice but... (2, Informative)

Wayne247 (183933) | more than 8 years ago | (#13659129)

You must be new to this interweb thing.

Rule #1: Chances are, liunx or bsd will run on [insert name]
Rule #2: Chances are, google will find information regarding rule #1.

Like here [tuxmobil.org] , 2nd google result.

What "hack?" (3, Insightful)

StarKruzr (74642) | more than 8 years ago | (#13659332)

It's a standard x86 PC with a Wacom tablet built in. There are no magic wismos here.

Re:Nice but... (4, Informative)

thisfred (643716) | more than 8 years ago | (#13659469)

First question that I asked too. The answer is on their site under support:

question

Can the OQO model 01 run Linux?
            answer

The OQO model 01 is a standard x86 PC and can run Linux. However, you will have to install and support it on your own.

OQO does not currently have any plans to offer a Linux-based product, nor does it provide technical support for a model 01 running Linux. ...

One recent reviewer has installed Linux, and you might find his writeup (10/13/04) helpful: http://www.handtops.com/show/news/55 [handtops.com]

Another handtops.com poster has published a through "tutorial" of a Linux install: http://www.handtops.com/forum/752/0//OQO_Linux_Ins tallation__amp_Configurati.html# [handtops.com] ...

Re:Nice but... (1)

computerdude33 (890573) | more than 8 years ago | (#13659968)

Read by a Mac person:

I don't know about you guys, but I am curious to know if its been hacked to run OS X (pick your version)...

Video (2, Interesting)

mysqlrocks (783488) | more than 8 years ago | (#13659068)

It is the only computer you need.

I was wondering how this works if you need more than the 800x480 resolution built-in monitor. However, I checked the specs and you can get video out of up to 1280x1024 VGA. It would be nice if it had DVI out.

safari?!?! (1, Interesting)

Anonymous Coward | more than 8 years ago | (#13659411)

watch the video carefully...

that web browser it safari in os x.

they just photoshopped it in!

a really cute laptop (4, Insightful)

oever (233119) | more than 8 years ago | (#13659070)

For quite a bit less you can get a real laptop like the Dell Latitude X1 [stud.ntnu.no] . This one is also very small and light but has a real keyboard. This machine is _smaller_ than A4, weighs only 1.1 kg and runs linux very well.

Insightful? NOT! (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 8 years ago | (#13659141)

For quite a bit less you can get a real laptop like the Dell Latitude X1. This one is also very small and light but has a real keyboard.

Err, duh. If one wants a "real" laptop, then one would buy a "real" laptop. This is obviously for those who are more sensitive to size and portability than $$ or outright power. If you aren't willing to make that tradeoff, fine, this obviously isn't for you.

Re:Insightful? NOT! (1)

geomon (78680) | more than 8 years ago | (#13659195)

Err, duh. If one wants a "real" laptop, then one would buy a "real" laptop.

Right, but I don't think that is why the mods put it up to +5 "Insightful".

This is obviously for those who are more sensitive to size and portability than $$ or outright power.

Sure, but why make a tradeoff if the features do not justify the ~$2K pricetag? The only advantage this unit has over a PDA costing a quarter of the price is the screen size.

For me, VGA resolution on a 4 inch screen does not justify $1.5 in additional cost.

If you aren't willing to make that tradeoff, fine, this obviously isn't for you.

Judging from the comments posted so far, it appears that it isn't for many people.

Re:Insightful? NOT! (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 8 years ago | (#13659413)

The only advantage this unit has over a PDA costing a quarter of the price is the screen size.

Actually I thought the biggest advantage was the fact that it ran full up XP. It could, in theory, act as a desktop replacement if needed. At the very least, it plays in a mixed (desktops, oqo, laptops, wifi/lan) environment MUCH simpler than even a CE based device. Plus there is the benefit for developers of vertical apps that they don't have to code special versions of their apps for CE (and be limited by CE as well).

Now is it worth the extra cost over a nice little laptop? Depends. My bro-in-law is a cardiologist and carries an oqo in his pocket. Can't do that even with the smallest laptops. He can run Windoze software specific to his field directly on the oqo. Extremely valuable to him where even CE is not an alternative (can't run the software) let alone anything Linux or Palm based. For him it's worth it. This is OBVIOUSLY not a mass market device. It's for those who have dismissed PDA's as being "interesting" but underpowered and with a sparse selection of software.

So again, how was the parent posters comment in the slightest "insightful"? He merely points out the obvious, this is a niche product and alternatives exist for those that don't meet it's customer profile.

Re:Insightful? NOT! (1)

geomon (78680) | more than 8 years ago | (#13659813)

For him it's worth it. This is OBVIOUSLY not a mass market device. It's for those who have dismissed PDA's as being "interesting" but underpowered and with a sparse selection of software.

I agree with everything you have written here, but I was commenting on how the GP got to +5 "Interesting" (with a few personal oberservations along the way). The mod system on this forum sucks, but it works better than most other forums, so what can you do? ;)

So again, how was the parent posters comment in the slightest "insightful"? He merely points out the obvious, this is a niche product and alternatives exist for those that don't meet it's customer profile.

Which goes back to your point about mass market devices: the average /. poster is a mass market device consumer. Any comment from one of the members is mirrored back to them by the tribe. You or I could find a use for this device (although I would have a difficult time justifying $2K for it), but the vast majority of consumers, as reflected in the /. crowd, want a general-purpose device that has tons of bells and whistles.

I not only concede that your bro-in-law could benefit from this device, but I can think of a whole host of people who need to have a scaled down, but robust, micro-microcomptuer in the field with them to perform their work. Surveyors, civil engineers, and geoscientists could also use this device. The only problem is that once you start moving into that group of professionals, computing power requirements do start to impact the price-for-performance metric. If you are talking about logging data from an instrument in the field, or taking field notes to record observations, then a PDA works great - I use one all the time. But to move into the realm of a hand-held PC, I would need to either get more robust performance for the price tag (nearly 4X a PDA), or get a laptop.

For people who can connect easily (via Bluetooth or other WiFi) to external storage or computing centers, like physicians in a hospitial or clinic, this device could be extremely useful.

Re:Insightful? NOT! (1)

ghukov (854181) | more than 8 years ago | (#13659516)

I agree. I would rather carry a laptop bag than be seen carrying a man-purse to carry this thing around. I get along fine with my treo 650 for the things I always need available, like secure shell, email alerts, etc.

Re:Insightful? NOT! (1)

hesiod (111176) | more than 8 years ago | (#13659571)

> For me, VGA resolution on a 4 inch screen does not justify $1.5 in additional cost.

I think a buck-fiddy is a GREAT price for a 4" VGA screen! Did you mean $1.5k?

Re:Insightful? NOT! (1)

geomon (78680) | more than 8 years ago | (#13659662)

Yeah, I would say that $1.5 is a terrific price! What was I complaining about?

Re:a really cute laptop (4, Informative)

NanoGator (522640) | more than 8 years ago | (#13659328)

"For quite a bit less you can get a real laptop like the Dell Latitude X1. This one is also very small and light but has a real keyboard."

If you're looking at the OQO, it's not because today's laptops are sufficient. You can actually hold that thing in your hands instead of balancing it precariously on your lap.

I'm not an OQO fanboy or anything, but the main reason I have a TabletPC right now is that I can't stand using a laptop unfolded on my lap. With a TabletPC, you can actually use it while standing up and walking around. (This is great if you're taking inventory, for example...) This thing is not only more portable than a TPC, but it's obviously more typist friendly.

Lots of you may be shaking your head due to sticker shock or whatever, but this thing would be a god send to a lot of business professionals that need mobility. Heck, I wouldn't be the least bit surprised if the company I last worked for bought two of these.

Re:a really cute laptop (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 8 years ago | (#13659868)

<american>

I would hope it's smaller than A4 [audiworld.com] . A laptop larger than that would be awfully hard to transport, unless it came with an engine...

</american>

Pretty cool (3, Insightful)

EggyToast (858951) | more than 8 years ago | (#13659075)

Now that it has more RAM and storage space, it really is a pretty sweet pocket computer. I especially like that it has both USB and Firewire, as a nod that it can function quite well as a portable device and a full computer in its own right. Very attractive for anyone looking for an ultra-portable laptop that's not totally gimped.

Of course, the downside is that it's kind of pricey. But, given what else is out there, it seems to sit nicely among its peers -- it costs more, but it seems to offer a lot more as well.

I have a small portable video device, an Archos 420, and while I got it pretty much just for the portable video and photo abilities, I do know it would be nice to hop on the internet for various reasons without having to stow my laptop -- after all, that's why I got the small portable video thing in the first place.

Something like this that not only can play video, but also surf the web and do pretty much anything a decent computer can do is great for portability. But kudos to the company for an ultra-small, high-functionality computer that doesn't skimp.

Oh yes. (0, Redundant)

emplynx (735511) | more than 8 years ago | (#13659081)

I likey likey. Please buy for me! That's even smaller than my TC1100. In fact, WAY smaller

The original version did have shortcomings. (5, Informative)

jbarr (2233) | more than 8 years ago | (#13659103)

A colleague of mine purchased an OQO to test in our work environment, and though it worked well overall, the MAJOR shortcoming was its VERY limited WiFi range. We could not hit access points with the OQO that we could easily hit with several PalmOS and PocketPC PDAs. This was a real deal killer, because of its limited range.

Also, while its all-in-one cable was nice for travel purposes (minimizing what you have to carry) it was cumbersome on the desktop. We would have rather seen a nice docking station/cradle instead of the kludgy "friction-hold" stand/all-on-one cable combination.

It is certainly a stunning and elegant device, but it still needs some improvements here and there.

Re:The original version did have shortcomings. (5, Informative)

WigginX (104107) | more than 8 years ago | (#13659214)

OQO fixed the wifi range issue, and is allowing anyone who purchased a unit with poor performance to return it for upgrade at no cost. Excellent customer service.

The cable is still terrible, though.

Does It Run Linux? (tm) (4, Informative)

oGMo (379) | more than 8 years ago | (#13659124)

No, seriously. I've commented to them and asked a number of times whether it supports Linux; and until it does, I will stick with my Zaurus [dynamism.com] . (Actually I only have a C860, no 4GB microdrive or whatever, but I don't come close to needing more than the gigs of SD I have.)

Linux is not just a gee whiz thing in the palm. Having all your full-blown apps in your palm [pdaxrom.org] is far, far more useful than any stripped-down PDA apps could be. Firefox? Check. Thunderbird? Check. GIMP? Check. Nethack? Doom? ScummVM? Vim? Emacs? GCC? Perl? Python? Ruby? Checkcheckcheckcheck...

Re:Does It Run Linux? (tm) (1)

Wesley Felter (138342) | more than 8 years ago | (#13659157)

Yes, standard x86 machines run Linux.

Re:Does It Run Linux? (tm) (1)

oGMo (379) | more than 8 years ago | (#13659283)

I'm more interested in whether all the hardware has drivers. This is the big problem with anything portable: laptops are, for the most part, "standard x86 machines", and most of them boot linux... but a lot of them have unsupported peripherals. The Zaurus, on the other hand, has fully-supported everything.

RTFWS (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 8 years ago | (#13659212)

Linux is not just a gee whiz thing in the palm. Having all your full-blown apps in your palm is far, far more useful than any stripped-down PDA apps could be. Firefox? Check. Thunderbird? Check. GIMP? Check. Nethack? Doom? ScummVM? Vim? Emacs? GCC? Perl? Python? Ruby? Checkcheckcheckcheck...

You obviously haven't clicked through to the site. This is not some WinCE POS, it runs full blown XP. So does it run the most popular office suite on the planet, check. Firefox? check. thunderbird? check. gimp? check. Nethack? Doom? ScummVM? Vim? Emacs? GCC? Perl? Python? Ruby? Apps that 90% of the population gives a crap about? CHECK. Checkcheckcheckcheck...

Re:RTFWS (1)

oGMo (379) | more than 8 years ago | (#13659403)

You obviously haven't clicked through to the site. This is not some WinCE POS, it runs full blown XP. So does it run the most popular office suite on the planet, check.

You misunderstand. I've known about the OQO and the fact it runs XP since it was first announced. I don't want XP.

Also, with even only 512MB of RAM on the latest model, with XP chewing through a lot of that, I'm not going to be running a whole lot. And I'm going to be paying for "the most popular office suite on the planet". And the others are going to require cygwin or other ugly hacks, not integrate well with the system. I could make XP into a pseudo-unix, or I could just run Linux.

Apps that 90% of the population gives a crap about? CHECK.

In this case, 90% of the population is irrelevant. I'm talking about what I (and probably most of the other people reading, this being slashdot) are probably interested in. XP isn't it.

Re:Does It Run Linux? (tm) (1)

badboy_tw2002 (524611) | more than 8 years ago | (#13659406)

I don't think it matters which brand or flavor of OS you're running, or what "crucial" apps you may think you need on this. The fact is that with such a tiny keyboard you aren't going to be doing much command line hackery anyways. This is much more a "use it with the pen" affair than writing perl scripts with your thumbs.

Re:Does It Run Linux? (tm) (2, Interesting)

oGMo (379) | more than 8 years ago | (#13659445)

Eh, the Zaurus has a fairly small "thumb" keyboard and I've done plenty of hacking, irc, etc. on it. The size of the keyboard doesn't really matter as much as the quality. No, it's not something you're going to be spending a lot of time on, but when you're in a cramped airplane seat and your 17" laptop won't even open (or sitting on the bus, or standing in line, or whatever), it's nice to have something to whip out a few lines of code on (or run ethereal on, or nmap, or nethack, or firefox, or whatever).

Already slashdotted. (1)

KerberosKing (801657) | more than 8 years ago | (#13659133)

That is something I expect when we are linked to some guys linux box on his home broadband. For a company that I have not seen a lot of retail physical shelf-space dedicated to, you would think they would have a decent server and net connection. As others have said, for the cost, I would rather have a laptop.

Not to troll, but ... (3, Insightful)

SilicaiMan (856076) | more than 8 years ago | (#13659221)

... what would the average slashdotter need such a machine for?
(This is a serious question. I'm curious to know)

Now, don't misunderstand me. Those machines look amazing, and I would love to get my hands on one. But, apart from the initial 5-minute infatuation, I think I would simply place it in a drawer, where I would eventually forget that it ever existed. But, maybe that's just me.

Re:Not to troll, but ... (1, Funny)

Anonymous Coward | more than 8 years ago | (#13659492)

If you're frequently misplacing $2000 stacks of money in various drawers around your house, um..like invite me over and stuff!

AC

Re:Not to troll, but ... (1)

FreshFunk510 (526493) | more than 8 years ago | (#13659550)

Personally, I guess I could only see it as a very, easy mobile laptop. Right now my laptop is pretty light, but I'm still wary of taking it everywhere. This would accomplish things too annoying to do on PDAs. I really only see this being a killer app if wireless were available everywhere. Then it'd be useful for browsing on the web while taking public transportation.

Re:Not to troll, but ... (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 8 years ago | (#13659674)

... what would the average slashdotter need such a machine for?

I think that's the problem that many here on /. have with this device, it's NOT for the average /. reader. It's a niche product, that will mainly attract those with very specific needs. It could be very useful as a tool to deliver vertical apps more simply (e.g. medical, military, etc). It's not meant to replace laptops.

Re:Not to troll, but ... (1)

exi1ed0ne (647852) | more than 8 years ago | (#13659812)

Think Doctor in a Hospital with electronic medical records. Such a small device would be a perfect fit in such an environment. as for Slashdotters using it - well, geekfactor is kinda high. . . :)

stupid Slashcode Subject requirement (1)

StarKruzr (74642) | more than 8 years ago | (#13659230)

Memory was the primary thing stopping me from getting one of these. It seems like 512MB of RAM is the magic number for good performance in modern operating systems.

Now I just hope I can buy one.

Why is this on slashdot ? (0, Troll)

javaxman (705658) | more than 8 years ago | (#13659232)

Seriously. Why is this um, "story" here? I mean, it's a cute gadget and all... but it's not terribly thrilling or new or newsworthy.

Is it the smallest, most powerful, does it run Linux? Not really? It's the price of a really nice laptop? Why is the link here again? What's good about it? I'm serious. There is no indication, just some gushy praise and a link to the company website.

It just leaves the more skeptical and seasoned Slashdot reader wondering who paid who for this Slashvertisement to be here. I'm not sure what's more lame, this or the Xbox ad earlier this morning... it's hard to say, since at least there was an 'article' ( and by that I mean IGN advertisement ) attached to that one...

I guess I'll have to actually get work done instead of read Slashdot today...

OQO missed the curve (4, Interesting)

PeeAitchPee (712652) | more than 8 years ago | (#13659237)

I seem to remember OQO showing prototypes of (back then) incredibily small PCs four or five years ago. It seems that their products have taken too long to materialize, and in the mean time the rest of the industry has really started to catch up with them. In the end, I believe their target market is too small; most folks will be happy purchasing a Dell that's 25% larger but less than 50% of the price -- and all the time, the trend of miniaturization across the entire segment marches onward. OQO will become a small footnote in the history of laptops -- a great idea, but too long on the drawing board and not to market soon enough.

Re:OQO missed the curve (2, Interesting)

NanoGator (522640) | more than 8 years ago | (#13659408)

" In the end, I believe their target market is too small; most folks will be happy purchasing a Dell that's 25% larger but less than 50% of the price"

I'm not as optimistic. There's a rather strong niche they could chase after. Those executives with a little too much spending power who are sick of lugging their laptop around the country. You have to understand that it's not just physical size, form factor makes a big difference in the use of these machines. It is very difficult, for example, to use a laptop on a plane. This seems like it'd be easier. (Although I should reserve judgement until I've used one...)

Anyway, there is a potentially lucrative market here. Unfortunately, these guys are doing a terrible job of marketing. I seriously doubt most IT dudes know about this device, let alone the executives who 'need' them.

Re:OQO missed the curve (1)

PeeAitchPee (712652) | more than 8 years ago | (#13659756)

As someone in technical presales who spends a lot of time travelling with sales execs, I would have agreed with you two years ago -- except now they use Blackberries. I very rarely, if ever, see a sales exec with a fired-up laptop onsite at a prospect -- they leave the mundane stuff like presentations and product demos to us presales folks.

Finally... my NDA doesn't have to stop me... (4, Informative)

Supp0rtLinux (594509) | more than 8 years ago | (#13659242)

I demo'd one of their 01 models a few months back and signed a nice NDA that prevented me from discussing this newer Model 01. What's missed in the announcement is that the older, original 01's also got a free wifi antenna upgrade and from 802.11b to 802.11b/g. This change was emailed out about 2 or 3 months ago when OQO Ebay'd a charity OQO, but this means that the 01+ now has the extra RAM & disk storage, plus USB 2.0, but *also* an upgraded radio. Many, many people had complained about poor, directional issues with the original 802.11b radio/antenna.

Engadget also covered this and mentioned the Model 02 that they hope to see soon. My NDA bars me from discussing this, but since Engadget spilled the beans, let's just say that I was told there'd be an "upgraded Model 01" before the end of the year and a newer Model 02 out before the end of quarter 2 next year. The Model 02 should have some significant updates including *possibly* having a different CPU instead of the Transmeta among other things. Considering the Model 01+ actually happened, I can only hope the Model 02 will be forthcoming as well.

I for one didn't get the Model 01 simply because I steer clear of the first generation of new devices like this. The unit I demo'd confirmed why I didn't buy one. The upgraded 01+ looks appealing, but I'll probably hold out for the Model 02 sometime next year. But once I get it, I'll be a happy man... I'll have a Treo 650 (Palm-based, not a Winblows version) in one pocket and my OQO in the other. :)

http://blog.mobileoptimized.com/ [mobileoptimized.com]
http://mobileoptimized.com/ [mobileoptimized.com]

Re:Finally... my NDA doesn't have to stop me... (2, Informative)

Anonymous Coward | more than 8 years ago | (#13659448)

Your facts are way wrong. OQO never gave an option of 802.11G both the 01 and the 01+ only have 802.11b.

As for you and your NDA. I'm sure this was for a 01 and not the 01+ the 01+ testers was a very short list.

Re:Finally... my NDA doesn't have to stop me... (1)

ciroknight (601098) | more than 8 years ago | (#13659895)

Um, I kinda get the novelty of your site being all squeezed together for mobile viewing and all, but could you at least have a second stylesheet so that those of us with full screen browsers can actually read it? I hit the page and in three seconds was turned off from ever trying to get any real information from it.

For that price... (3, Insightful)

Kozar_The_Malignant (738483) | more than 8 years ago | (#13659293)

I can get a Sony Vaio TX with Wi-Fi and Bluetooth, a 60 gig drive, and a real keyboard that weighs 2.75 pounds. No, it won't fit in my pocket, but it will fit in anything I carry around. It also has the two holy grails of /. It will run Linux, and it is liquid cooled. :-)

No, I don't own one, and I don't work for Sony.

Need optical quantum PDAs! (4, Funny)

scovetta (632629) | more than 8 years ago | (#13659434)

I hear the Model 01++ will feature that neat 6.8 Ghz optical-quantum technology. They probably won't be able to fit a terabyte of ram, but I'm hoping for at least 512 GB.

Whaaaa? (1)

Danzigism (881294) | more than 8 years ago | (#13659438)

I rather see Toshiba develop more Librettos!!

now THOSE were cool.. i mean i like this and all, but i wouldn't dare pay more than $1000 for something I could break so easily.. its just not practical.. although it looks pretty damn cool.. seems like the libretto had much more support .. i could only imagine what it would be like today if they still developed them..

quit complaining. (2, Insightful)

TenLow (812875) | more than 8 years ago | (#13659447)

you're all complaining about this, that, and the other, but you're missing the most important part: It's cool and you cant afford one. Thats why you are blasting it. Nobody needs a computer. Nobody needs a PDA. Nobody needs a fullsize anything. You need food, water, and shelter. Anything else is a luxury, and this is just one of the many things on the list of james bond like gadgets that you want, but wont admit because you've spent your money on the food, water, and shelter.

Is there a middle-of-the-road? (1)

nobodyman (90587) | more than 8 years ago | (#13659456)

It seems there is no decent middle-of-the-road. You either have something like the OQO, or you have some piece of junk that desperately tries to be a mac mini and utterly fails because it tries to include legacy cruft(I haven't used the serial/parallel/joystick port in 5 years... why do they insist on including them? Would it kill your business to tell the remaining .5% of dot-matrix printer owners to piss off!?)

Are there any PC makers that are a good system with the form factor of the Mac Mini? I'd love to have a brick-sized PC that I could easily move from a dock at work to a dock at home. I'm not talking about a mobo or case manufacturer, but a complete system.

Re:Is there a middle-of-the-road? (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 8 years ago | (#13659614)

I still do use legacy devices, and plenty of other people do -- in fact there's a huge market for that. Very few are the people who always keep all their computer hardware up-to-date, specially in the corporation world -- changing everything every six months is just unreasonable, expensive and most of the time plain annoying.

Where I work we have a five-year turnover cycle for the machines, and know what? I even know places where this goes up to 8/10 years, like administrations, schools... And I'm only talking about the desktop side here, if you have a look at the mainframes things are way, way "worse"...

Mini Laptop (2, Insightful)

Sundroid (777083) | more than 8 years ago | (#13659590)

The basic idea behind OQO is to fill the gap between laptop and PDA. MS came out with tablet pc, but the jury is still out on that one. I personally would like to see something like a "Mini Laptop" that has the following essential features:

#1 Rectangular landscape screen about 4" x 8" in size, with a keyboard about the same size so the Mini Laptop can be snapped shut into a compact case no bigger than a 6" x 9" 300-page hardcover book.
#2 Runs full Windows, or Apple, or Linux operation system.
#3 Priced under $1,000.

Then perhaps I'll consider buying one.

OQO or Sony.... (1)

Kenja (541830) | more than 8 years ago | (#13659705)

I have to say I like palmtop/ultra small notebooks. I have ever since the old IBM 486 systems. However, what realy does this system offer over the Sony VGN-U750P?

Linux will run on it... (2, Informative)

cobrajs (882891) | more than 8 years ago | (#13659734)

If you are like me, the first thing you did is to check and see if Linux runs on it...

Linux Devices Review [linuxdevices.com]
Tuxmobil [tuxmobil.org] list of successful installs
and
Handtops [handtops.com] guide to installing Debian

Note:
It is also possible to make it a dual boot (of course!), just in case you actually wanted XP.

$2K for What? (0, Redundant)

Nom du Keyboard (633989) | more than 8 years ago | (#13659759)

They now start just short of $2k but they still look very yummy.

Twice the price of a very usable laptop otherwise, and with a keyboard I can barely type on.

Pass.

Battery life was the problem, still is (1, Insightful)

Anonymous Coward | more than 8 years ago | (#13659785)

The biggest drawback to the the 01 model was battery life. It only runs for 3 hours, about what a standard laptop does. What is so great about a device that is finally small enough to carry around and use all day when YOU CAN'T CARRY IT AROUND AND USE IT ALL DAY!!!??? When it dies with an hour to go before lunch and you have to leave it on your desk charging over lunchtime, then it dies again before you even start the commute home, what the heck good is that?

Re:Battery life was the problem, still is (1)

dfghjk (711126) | more than 8 years ago | (#13659919)

If you need to use it like that then you'll probably be dissapointed with other things like the small screen and lousy keyboard. For people who actually benefit from a device like this 3 hours may well be enough and the keyboard and screen won't be drawbacks. I think the crappy processor is the biggest problem.

The OQO is agonizingly close to wicked cool... (1)

jht (5006) | more than 8 years ago | (#13660017)

You can almost tell that ex-Apple folks designed it. Granted, they've addressed the most glaring design flaws (by increasing RAM and adding USB 2.0), but the deal-killer is still the battery life. Unless they can come up with better battery performance (I think it needs 5-6 hours) at a lower pricepoint, OQO isn't going too much farther, I suspect.

And yeah, a Linux/OpenOffice version of this would be pretty slick. It'd cut their licensing costs, too.
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