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Gaiman and Whedon Discuss the Rise of the Geek

CmdrTaco posted more than 8 years ago | from the bet-gaiman-is-wearing-that-jacket dept.

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CABridges writes "In a lengthy Time Magazine interview, Neil Gaiman ("Sandman," "American Gods") and Joss Whedon ("Buffy the Vampire Slayer," "Firefly") talk about their audience. Gaiman: "Mostly they're people. They're us. That's what they look like." Whedon: "They're a lot more attractive than I am, actually, which kind of disturbs and upsets me." Both men, known for their cult-favorite creations, have movies debuting this Friday. For Gaiman it's MirrorMask, for Whedon it's Serenity."

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geek - the word has evolved... (5, Interesting)

fak3r (917687) | more than 8 years ago | (#13666889)

Here's what I had to say on my little bio site about myself: geek - while it used to be a four letter word, it is now a (somewhat?) coveted title. Either that or people just have short memories. Regardless, knowing about technology and having a desire to constantly improve it is now almost as accepted as jaywalking.

Uruguy (-1, Offtopic)

Anonymous Coward | more than 8 years ago | (#13666990)

You-are-gay. Hee, hee, hee!

Re:geek - the word has evolved... (2, Funny)

gid13 (620803) | more than 8 years ago | (#13667105)

Yeah. Over the last few years, when getting to know girls, they've found out about things like my penchant for Linux or my occasional game of Magic, and I'll somewhat sheepishly say something like "Yeah, I'm a huge nerd". Somehow, it seems to work in my favour now, where years ago it brought only disdain... Shrug. Can't complain. :)

Re:geek - the word has evolved... (5, Insightful)

Hrolf (564645) | more than 8 years ago | (#13667326)

Teenage nerd - no knowledge of new trends, can't show off fashionable boyfriend in high school lunchroom or at parties. Not interesting.

Adult nerd - useful college degree, probably good job, disposable income, can definitely show off fashionable jewelry received as gift. Much more interesting.

Re:geek - the word has evolved... (2, Insightful)

fak3r (917687) | more than 8 years ago | (#13667342)

Right, nowadays you meet people who like to talk about technology, but when I talk/think about my time in the "Computer Club" in High School back in the 80s, it was a different story. We *were* the folks learning about phreaking via a IBM PC in my friends parents bedroom, with the old Hayes modem, on some BBSs. I think it's just that it now touches peoples' lives so much deeper; from email to shopping on the web, it's just more mainstream and people can relate better.

Ya (-1, Offtopic)

Anonymous Coward | more than 8 years ago | (#13666891)

Cowboy Neil Gay Man i so funnnneeee!

Gaiman, geeks, and this /. post (4, Informative)

thc69 (98798) | more than 8 years ago | (#13666901)

In the list of works for which Gaiman is known..."Don't Panic" is missing!

Re:Gaiman, geeks, and this /. post (1)

AcheronHades (837485) | more than 8 years ago | (#13666948)

There is a lot missing...

Re:Gaiman, geeks, and this /. post (3, Informative)

ideonode (163753) | more than 8 years ago | (#13667023)

Indeed. So also is his most recent book, Anansi Boys. No doubt there'll be a /. review in a few days' time. However, I have finished it, and I thought it was a good read. More humorous than American Gods, although still with that Gods-on-Earth theme. It actually reminded me of the Dirk Gently books of Douglas Adams, but if I say any more, I'd be into spoiler territory.

Sounds almost race-ist (1, Insightful)

VxJasonxV (792809) | more than 8 years ago | (#13666912)

...talk about their audience. Gaiman: "Mostly they're people. They're us. That's what they look like."
So, the two interviewee's in the article are the only fans of each others' work?
What's going on here?

Re:Sounds almost race-ist (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 8 years ago | (#13667476)

WTF are you talking about? "They're us" is shorthand speak for "they're just like us", i.e. they are pretty typical people.

How the fuck did you get racism from that?

More attracitve? (5, Funny)

smooth wombat (796938) | more than 8 years ago | (#13666932)

Whedon: "They're a lot more attractive than I am, actually, which kind of disturbs and upsets me."

The folks on this site are more attractive than Whedon?! Holy shit, he must be really disfigured!

Re:More attracitve? (1)

TobyWong (168498) | more than 8 years ago | (#13667270)

Speak for yourself igor! /turns back to face reflection

Mirror mirror, on the wall...

Re:More attracitve? (1)

goodEvans (112958) | more than 8 years ago | (#13667483)

/turns back to face reflection

Ksshhh!

Re:More attracitve? (1)

gowen (141411) | more than 8 years ago | (#13667304)

Well, the sad fact is that those of us uglier than Whedon never leave the house, so he gets a distorted view of geek beauty...

This may be redundant, but. . . (5, Interesting)

portforward (313061) | more than 8 years ago | (#13666934)

I got to see Serenity three weeks ago and it was GREAT!! Seriously, go tell everyone you know to see it because the movie business requires a great opening weekend or else they quickly disappear. And if it disappears, no sequels.

One of my acquaintances also saw the special preview and he went out and bought the DVD's of the series.

Quick question, I heard that there are eight different versions of the movie that they were previewing, and that they were going to gauge audience reaction before the final release. Is that true?

Re:This may be redundant, but. . . (4, Interesting)

Bruzer (191590) | more than 8 years ago | (#13666981)


Quick question, I heard that there are eight different versions of the movie that they were previewing, and that they were going to gauge audience reaction before the final release. Is that true?


No this is not true. I saw the screening last June, and I saw a screening Tuesday night. They were the same movie.

Serenity ROCKS and in 2 more days everyone else will know that.

Go out and see the movie. Slashdot the theaters.

      - Bruzer

Re:This may be redundant, but. . . (1)

MindStalker (22827) | more than 8 years ago | (#13667104)

Just a question, does the movie ever get gross and gorey with the reavers, my wife really can't stand that kinds stuff, but she likes the series (except the one reaver episode of course).

Re:This may be redundant, but. . . (1)

mmkkbb (816035) | more than 8 years ago | (#13667259)

they tie a pile of dead bodies to serenity and cover it splotches of red paint. so yes.

Re:This may be redundant, but. . . (3, Informative)

Bruzer (191590) | more than 8 years ago | (#13667315)

The movie has flashes and slow pans of dead and decaying corpses.

The reaver scenes are very quick cut away shots that are more to surprise and shock than anything else.

There are no scenes that in my memory that are physical gore. I don't want to spoil the movie, there are no flesh eating scenes or the like. But let me again point to the slow pans of dead corpses, I guess that could be considered gory.

Serenity is one of the best movies I have ever seen. I have read some posts that some don't like going to the theater. In truth you don't have to see Serenity on the big screen to enjoy it. But please plan on seeing Serenity at some point, it is a GREAT story. I took 8 people to the preview last night (Tuesday) and every one of them enjoyed the movie. Even after I raved about it non stop. One of my friends said "This was the first movie that has been hyped up (mainly by me) and lived up to the hype."

Slashdot the theaters for the Serenity release.

    - Bruzer

Re:This may be redundant, but. . . (1)

MindStalker (22827) | more than 8 years ago | (#13667572)

Thanks, I think she can handle that. I was just imagining that this movie could easily turn into Event Horizon if the reavers were a truly central theme.

Slashdot the theaters! (1)

Grendel Drago (41496) | more than 8 years ago | (#13667113)

Slashdot the theaters.

I'm going to use that line on my friends. (I've been pimping it to everyone I know; maybe one or two people who weren't going to go see it before will now.)

Re:This may be redundant, but. . . (1, Informative)

Anonymous Coward | more than 8 years ago | (#13667127)

Interesting, since the final version wasn't shown until Comic-Con in July.

Re:This may be redundant, but. . . (2, Interesting)

H_Fisher (808597) | more than 8 years ago | (#13667496)

Just because you saw the same movie doesn't mean there weren't multiple cuts being screened. You might have just seen version n.

Studios frequently screen films to gauge audience reaction; I've never heard of variable cuts being screened but I wouldn't put it past Whedon & co to do just that - especially when they're making something geared toward growing popularity out of a cult following. Joss has a lot riding on this; if you read his blogs and other interviews, you see that the desire to make sure the largest number of fans can understand and get into what's happening is very important to him.

To offer another example of how screenings affect movies: I have always heard that audience reaction to Spock's death in Star Trek II: The Wrath of Khan when it was screened caused the filmmakers to go back and re-edit so that there was an easy way to bring him back in a sequel.

I don't know if there were eight versions, but, I wouldn't be surprised if there were several different variations. I think that anticipation of fans' reactions (and wanting to have enough time to alter the film, if needed) had to play some role in the choice to screen the movie to so many people so far in advance.

Don't go (1, Interesting)

nuggz (69912) | more than 8 years ago | (#13666986)

Don't go, maybe they'll make the movie going experience not suck.

I hate going to the movies, I'd much rather rent/buy them.

Re:This may be redundant, but. . . (-1, Troll)

Seumas (6865) | more than 8 years ago | (#13667237)

Gee, a movie based on a four year old television series that itself only lasted four to six episodes? Oh, that must be absolutely amazing.

And yes, that's sarcasm.

Sorry, I'm just not a Gaiman/Whedon fanboy. Then again, I also don't collect anime and get wood arguing over which X-Men character would win in a fight. Mark me a troll or flamebait, though. It's the way we deal with people who don't agree with our slathering of praise and respect on every aspect of geek culture that crops up, around here.

Re:This may be redundant, but. . . (0)

Seumas (6865) | more than 8 years ago | (#13667303)

Oh, whoops. My bad. There were more than 6 episodes. In fact, the series lasted for an entire three months!

Still, it was just Andromeda with dusters and without the muscles. The captain guy wasn't even interesting. He was as exciting as the detective on Twin Peaks, but none of the quirky behavior that made him at least entertaining.

I'm not saying it probably wasn't one of the better science fiction-ish shows on television in the last decade - but that isn't really saying much considering there hasn't really been any science fiction-ish shows on television in the last decade.

I'd rather watch Brisco County Jr. re-runs.

Re:This may be redundant, but. . . (2, Funny)

Anonymous Coward | more than 8 years ago | (#13667312)

wow, an elitist, sarcastic slashdotter. must be a devil with the ladies.

Re:This may be redundant, but. . . (1)

ProppaT (557551) | more than 8 years ago | (#13667578)

I haven't seen it, it may or may not be a great movie. However, for the love of god...make a decent trailer for the thing. I don't watch Firefly...I don't get around to much tv these days. But the trailer makes it look like one of the worst movies of the year. If I hadn't heard second hand how good it supposidly is, I'd throw it aside as typical sci-fi garbage. Blah blah...in space...blah blah...hot chick...blah blah...kung fu grip.

article is off-topic (2, Funny)

s388 (910768) | more than 8 years ago | (#13666936)

there's no geeks around here.

Re:article is off-topic (5, Funny)

justforaday (560408) | more than 8 years ago | (#13667053)

That's right! This is "news for nerds," not geeks. Geeks, get out of here. Same goes for you too, dorks!

Re:article is off-topic (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 8 years ago | (#13667463)

Hmm.. what wonderful social skills you have - yes, a true nerd. :o)

The difference between geeks and nerds is that geeks have social skills. This was illustrated beautifully in Wargames, [imdb.com] when David seeks help from Jim and Malvin. Jim is a geek, Malvin is a nerd.

And of course dorks don't have technical skills *or* social skills. :o)

Re:article is off-topic (3, Funny)

cpt kangarooski (3773) | more than 8 years ago | (#13667633)

Of course, only a dork, geek, or nerd would believe there's a difference, try to correct people, or care.

"Mostly they're people" (5, Funny)

Conspiracy_Of_Doves (236787) | more than 8 years ago | (#13666950)

So what are the rest?

Re:"Mostly they're people" (4, Funny)

WormholeFiend (674934) | more than 8 years ago | (#13667076)

So what are the rest?

Trolls.

Browse slashdot at -1 if you don't believe me.

Obligatory Willow quotation... (1)

mindaktiviti (630001) | more than 8 years ago | (#13667660)

"I hate trolls" - Willow

Re:"Mostly they're people" (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 8 years ago | (#13667135)

So what are the rest?

Republicans!

I used to be a geek... (5, Funny)

rackhamh (217889) | more than 8 years ago | (#13666952)

... but PETA complained about the chickens so I had to stop. Now I'm just a nerd.

Re:I used to be a geek... (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 8 years ago | (#13667255)

I love you for that comment.

(Come on...proper usage of the word geek...how can you not?)

Serenity (1, Offtopic)

Saiyaman (859809) | more than 8 years ago | (#13666957)

Serenity ftw.

I don't think it's the rise of the geek (1, Insightful)

noewun (591275) | more than 8 years ago | (#13666962)

I just think that things which used to be the province of geeks -computers, teh interweb - are now in wide use. I knew that time was coming several years ago when I sat down on the subway next to two very well turned out SoHo women who were deep into a conversation about untangling SCSI chains. When your grandmother has a 3 GHz P4 and broadband, computers are no longer the province of geeks.

That said, Whedon has to be one of the most overrated writers, ever. IMO, YMMV, etc.

Re:I don't think it's the rise of the geek (2)

mforbes (575538) | more than 8 years ago | (#13667198)

That said, Whedon has to be one of the most overrated writers, ever. IMO, YMMV, etc.

Sure, but Kaylee & River are both hot!

Re:I don't think it's the rise of the geek (1)

noewun (591275) | more than 8 years ago | (#13667234)

Don't really know. Couldn't watch more than five minutes of Firefly.

Re:I don't think it's the rise of the geek (3, Insightful)

why-is-it (318134) | more than 8 years ago | (#13667547)

Sure, but Kaylee & River are both hot!

Feh!

Kaylee and River are cute, but Inara is the hot one!

As a typical /.er, I doubt that any of those actresses would give me the time of day, much less go on a date with me...

Re:I don't think it's the rise of the geek (1)

DikSeaCup (767041) | more than 8 years ago | (#13667252)

I dunno - I didn't get into Firefly when it originally aired - I suspect it had a bad timeslot.

However, I've been watching it on SciFi and I must admit it was great.

Mind you, I never could get into Buffy or Angel (in spite of trying, and in spite of my own attempt to write a vampire novel), so I'll admit you could be on to something.

But from what I've seen of Firefly, I've seen excellent sci fi series that have had worse first seasons (IE B5 - and were it proper to worship another human being, JMS would be a candidate due to his ability to write).

In fact, I'll go as far as to say that the only sci fi series I've seen that's had a comparable first season is BSG (from what I've seen of Stargate SG-1, it might be there too).

Re:I don't think it's the rise of the geek (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 8 years ago | (#13667555)

I have to agree. When I first saw firefly when it was originally aired, I disliked it, but now on sci-fi, in order, it is so much easier to watch.

It seems like the later episodes were much better. I also never got buffy or angel. I hope whedon ditches that old tired shit for good.

Re:I don't think it's the rise of the geek (3, Funny)

Pollardito (781263) | more than 8 years ago | (#13667462)

Whedon has to be one of the most overrated writers, ever.
not in a world that has Kevin Smith he's not

Re:I don't think it's the rise of the geek (1)

noewun (591275) | more than 8 years ago | (#13667590)

You speak the truth.

Similar piece at AVClub (2, Informative)

RyanFenton (230700) | more than 8 years ago | (#13666970)

AVClub article [avclub.com]

AVClub is from the same guys who do The Onion [theonion.com]

This interview also features Dave McKean.

Ryan Fenton

Re:Similar piece at AVClub (1)

MBraynard (653724) | more than 8 years ago | (#13667213)

What exactly is the AV Club? It's from the onion but as best I can tell they don't bring teh funny.

Re:Similar piece at AVClub (1)

Phil Resch (447588) | more than 8 years ago | (#13667650)

Nope, no funny.

The Onion AV Club does serious reviews, previews, interviews, some original content, and the like. The satire is left for the main Onion site. It covers the full spectrum of Audio/Visual entertainment: books, music, movies, games, DVDs ... they've even got some comics, I think.

Geeks need protection (1, Funny)

Anonymous Coward | more than 8 years ago | (#13666973)

With the rise of all the different type of geeks out there, why not join a gang? For all you Linux and BSD geeks, the streets can be tough. Facing wanna be geeks (Microsoft users) can be harsh, so get protection by becoming a Linux/BSD Gangster [bsdgangster.org] .

Brought to you by the Linux/BSD Gangster [linuxgangster.org] boyz!

its all about the money (5, Insightful)

peter303 (12292) | more than 8 years ago | (#13666975)

Geeks are attractive when they have big wallet bulges. Now that a few internet stocks have revived, especially the Google monster, geeks are in fashion again.

Re:its all about the money (0, Flamebait)

bloosqr (33593) | more than 8 years ago | (#13667365)

You're hanging out w/ the wrong people. Do you choose your friends on the basis of whether they like your wallet bulge? I dont know about you but i'd like my friends to hang out w/ me because of who I am not, not because of the number of rounds I buy. Correspondingly, if your SO likes your $$ more than you, howtf do you think thats going to turn out?

Re:its all about the money (1)

F_Scentura (250214) | more than 8 years ago | (#13667565)

He was referring to marketing and popular opinion, not his personal preference.

I first parsed the title as (1)

fohat (168135) | more than 8 years ago | (#13666976)

Gaiman and Whedon Discuss the Rinse of the Geek...

I was wondering what that smell was in the elevator...

Obligatory S*P reference (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 8 years ago | (#13667142)

It burns like hygiene!!!

Re:I first parsed the title as (1)

josu (144992) | more than 8 years ago | (#13667354)

I think that's a lex error, not a parse error.

Mmmmm... (1, Insightful)

fragmentate (908035) | more than 8 years ago | (#13666984)

Is that cute red-head in Serenity? Willow?

She was the only redeeming value in the Buffy show.

Honestly, I'm not impressed by their work. It's definitely geek material. It's like watching EverQuest, World of Warcraft, and EverQuest II on TV. A bunch of well endowed girls with doll-like figures capable of defeating creatures 10 times their size. They should go into game development.

Re:Mmmmm... (1)

adavies42 (746183) | more than 8 years ago | (#13667084)

No, but Kaylee's just as hot.

Seconded! (1)

Grendel Drago (41496) | more than 8 years ago | (#13667167)

[at a scrapyard]
Kaylee: Figures - first time in the Core, and what do I get to do? Dig through trash. Why couldn't he send me shopping at the Tri-plex, or ...Ooh! Synchronizer!

Re:Mmmmm... (2, Informative)

Maxo-Texas (864189) | more than 8 years ago | (#13667115)

Allyson Hannigan.

She married Wesley (Alexis Duchanov?)

Firefly is not EQ/WoW/Buffy/Angel.

They are drifting into it at the end of the series a tiny bit- apparently Joss likes supergirls.

No idea about Serenity except that I am going to see it.

Re:Mmmmm... (3, Informative)

Kazzahdrane (882423) | more than 8 years ago | (#13667136)

Please watch Firefly. It's nothing like Buffy, by which I mean both are good in their own ways but: "It's like watching EverQuest, World of Warcraft, and EverQuest II on TV. A bunch of well endowed girls with doll-like figures capable of defeating creatures 10 times their size." does NOT apply to Firefly.

Re:Mmmmm... (2, Insightful)

99BottlesOfBeerInMyF (813746) | more than 8 years ago | (#13667139)

Is that cute red-head in Serenity?

Nah, there is a completely different cute redhead with precocious personality traits.

Honestly, I'm not impressed by their work.

I find most Whedon's work so campy that I just can't watch it. I usually leave the room, despite other geeks attempts to get me interested. One day, however, someone threw on the DVDs of the Firefly series and after seeing three episodes I was hooked. I went out and bought them a couple days later. I highly recommend giving Serenity/Firefly a try, it is one of the best sci-fi shows to come out in years.

Re:Mmmmm... (1)

schon (31600) | more than 8 years ago | (#13667497)

there is a completely different cute redhead with precocious personality traits

Yeah, but she [imdb.com] was only in the series. She's not in the movie. :o)

Re:Mmmmm... (1)

vena (318873) | more than 8 years ago | (#13667143)

Ok, you've covered Joss. Do you have any idea who Gaiman is?

Re:Mmmmm... (1)

fragmentate (908035) | more than 8 years ago | (#13667157)

No. And I don't care to. :)

I'm a new-geek luddite. I prefer the geeks of old, hands down.

Re:Mmmmm... (2, Informative)

DestroyAllZombies (896198) | more than 8 years ago | (#13667200)

Too bad. Gaiman's work is a lot more interesting.

Re:Mmmmm... (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 8 years ago | (#13667422)

Umm... Neil Gaiman has been playing to the geek crowd since the 1980s. You're just a wanker.

Re:Mmmmm... (1)

mbbac (568880) | more than 8 years ago | (#13667297)

Apparently, you've never seen Firefly -- the series on which Serenity is based...

Re:Mmmmm... (2, Informative)

jcarter (726183) | more than 8 years ago | (#13667479)

It took me a while to turn on to Buffy. I had similar complaints as the parent post originally, and I couldn't understand what made some of my friends such uberfans.

But I watched an episode here and there, and I began to realize how good the writing really is. How good the stories get sometimes.

There's a lot of subtext in the Buffy scripts. Everything is a metaphor, especially the monster/vortex/curse/evilfishpeople of the week. So there's this one level on which the show is beautiful fluff - kick-ass chicks and scary blood-sucking monsters - and then there's this other level on which the single-minded, relentlessness of the monster is played as counterpoint to some other character's desire to get that boyfriend/that 'A'/that job at all costs, and hurt whoever they have to to get there.

And all that aside, it's _entertaining_. What makes something entertaining is hard to define, but, in my subjective viewpoint, this show had it in spades. The imagery, the dialogue, the whole look and feel and sound and experience of it - it ain't TV crack, but it ain't bad.

Wedon? (1)

tholomyes (610627) | more than 8 years ago | (#13666985)

Gratz, Time.com editors, you mispelled someone's name in the most glaring place possible: the headline of the piece (and on the HTML title).

One Page Print View (3, Informative)

Anonymous Coward | more than 8 years ago | (#13667002)

Always with the multiple pages, yes I know you get ansy and start doubleclicking words or some other psychological thing, but for those with attention spans:

One Nice Single Page With No Ads [time.com]

Revenge of the Nerds (2, Funny)

uberjoe (726765) | more than 8 years ago | (#13667073)

The 'Rise of the Geek'??!? Well I guess that's nice for the next generation if up and coming nerds, but that doesn't make the pain and humiliation that was childhood any easier. So I like Star Trek, just leave me alone asshole! Hey, I'm trying to read my cosmology book, go away!

Re:Revenge of the Nerds (1)

The Angry Mick (632931) | more than 8 years ago | (#13667438)

Well I guess that's nice for the next generation if up and coming nerds, but that doesn't make the pain and humiliation that was childhood any easier.

Hey, come on now. Look at the bright side.

Nowadays, the people that used to pick on you are bringing you your french fries.

Its all about control (5, Interesting)

alnya (513364) | more than 8 years ago | (#13667089)

What's awesome about these two movies is that the talents behind them (and I include Dave McKean here) had complete control of the movies. The scripts, the direction, the marketing - everything. And guess what, it works. They follow through on their vision, no compromise for execs who don't get it, and produce something faithful to what they want.

And they produce excellent movies. Thought-provoking, entertaining, well directed, beautifully shot movies (without any 6 figure salaries).

I was luck to see both Mirrormask and Serenity at the Edinburgh Film Festival this year and both were amazing films for completely different reasons. I realise some random comment on /. isn't going to make anyone pay 5 bucks for a movie ticket, but if Mirrormask is on near you, go see it.
If you haven't seen Firefly, and Serenity is playing near you, go see it.

This is the new age of the auteur :)

I concur. (4, Insightful)

Grendel Drago (41496) | more than 8 years ago | (#13667404)

It is all about creative control. Someone with a real strong vision can make something uniquely cohesive and brilliant. Whether it's Straczynski's Babylon 5 or Frank Miller's Sin City, it's amazing what can be done when the grubby fingers of mediocrity are kept away from someone's bright ideas.

Of course, creative control doesn't guarantee quality. (See Ilene Chaiken's utter failure to even have consistend characterization on The L Word.) But a lack of it will pretty much guarantee mediocrity.

I want to come out of the theater saying "I have never, ever seen anything like that before." I did that after Sin City; I did that after the preview screening of Serenity that I saw.

Am I a geek? (2, Insightful)

digitaldc (879047) | more than 8 years ago | (#13667102)

"JW: But I also think there's a bit of misconception with that. Everybody who labels themselves a nerd isn't some giant person locked in a cubbyhole who's never seen the opposite sex. Especially with the way the Internet is now, I think that definition is getting a little more diffuse."

translation: Anyone geek can get laid with net pr0n.

Am I a geek? Let's see...
Pocket protector? NO
Bad hair/teeth/smell? NO
Own my own RAID? NO
Write apps for fun? NO
Collect Buffy and Transformer dolls? NO
Post on /.? YES

Re:Am I a geek? (1)

josu (144992) | more than 8 years ago | (#13667381)

ASL?

Re:Am I a geek? (1)

rasjani (97395) | more than 8 years ago | (#13667616)

Real question is: do you get a blowjob if you ask one or do you have to pay for it?

Rise of the Geek (5, Interesting)

shudde (915065) | more than 8 years ago | (#13667103)

That's the beauty of Whedon's work, he's the quintessential geek and he manages to showcase the self-deprecating humour so inherent in people with interests outside the mainstream.

Reading an outline for Buffy 10 years ago, you would have instantly assumed it was destined for a short-lived run and eventual shunting to a 2am timeslot before dissapearing into obscurity. Instead it became a cult hit, ran for seven seasons and spawned a massive franchise, including one of the few successful spin-off television shows.

Firefly, with it's mesh of sci-fi and old west, would have seemed likely to suffer the same fate. However after it's network axing, fan support (to which Whedon has paid tribute) has seen a movie release.

Both of these shows have succeeded, in part, due to Whedon's offbeat writing and his affinity for geek references. They've been elevated to cult status and after all, you can't beat a geek for obsessing about a television show.

Re:Rise of the Geek (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 8 years ago | (#13667246)

Actually, Buffy was a successful movie before it was a TV show. The movie was basically a comedy, along the lines of Clueless, and was very different from the show.

Re:Rise of the Geek (2, Informative)

shudde (915065) | more than 8 years ago | (#13667341)

Actually, Buffy was a successful movie before it was a TV show. The movie was basically a comedy, along the lines of Clueless, and was very different from the show.

While I did enjoy the movie when I was younger, it was critically panned and considered a box office failure so I'm not really sure how you consider it a success. That's why, in the early days of the television series, Whedon was having a lot of network opposition to reviving what they considered a 'dead horse'.

Mirrormask, not quite mainstream (2, Informative)

frankie (91710) | more than 8 years ago | (#13667173)

Take a look at the Mirrormask promo site. They list all of its theaters on a single page. Not exactly a major blockbuster release, but hey one of them is near me, so I won't complain.

The trailer looks like a sharp left turn from Labyrinth, although I may have been swayed by the Henson logo.

Inspiration & visuals by Dave McKean, written by Neil Gaiman, where have I seen that combination before? But it's the first feature-length movie for both of them. If they're even half as good at film as they were at comics, should be a surreal treat.

Opening weekend critical (1)

Kelson (129150) | more than 8 years ago | (#13667581)

Yes, MirrorMask is in limited release right now. And at least some of those theaters are only running it for a week. According to Gaiman, if it does well on its opening weekend, Sony may try a wider release.

So if you're close enough to one of those theaters, and you're interested in seeing it on the big screen, go see it this weekend! (a) You might not get another chance, and (b) you'll help convince the studio to give it another chance.

Re:Mirrormask, not quite mainstream (1)

rjstanford (69735) | more than 8 years ago | (#13667637)

Take a look at the Mirrormask promo site. They list all of its theaters on a single page. Not exactly a major blockbuster release, but hey one of them is near me, so I won't complain.

I will then - I wish I'd checked this earlier. Neil was in town this week for an Anansi Boys signing too, with a great crowd - they even had movie posters up. If I'd realized it wouldn't be showing locally (and hey, this is Austin, not podunk-ville) I'd have at least asked about it.

Anyone know if this is going to be a staged release, or if its going to go wide fairly soon?

Don't quite get the Joss hate. (2, Interesting)

Dr Tom Danger (621664) | more than 8 years ago | (#13667178)

I think one of the things that really propelled Joss Whedon to the front stage as a "great writer" is that the shows he did, a la Buffy, Angel, and Firefly, where competing against things like Suddenly Susan and Friends. His shows, and Buffy especially, had a wicked attitude, a beautiful fantasy/character driven show, and for most of us that started watching Buffy back in '97 it was a take on your every day high school, replete with jocks, cliques, bullies, and a-hole teachers. I think as it progressed, there was a certain age group that followed the series into through high school and into college, while they themselves were making the same transitions. And I'll definitely be seeing Serenity. Sci-fi just had a Firefly marathon so I'm ultra stoked.

The Rise of the Geeks (4, Insightful)

Dark Paladin (116525) | more than 8 years ago | (#13667207)

lately, I've been wondering why this is. It seems that "geek hood" is actually approaching a phenomenon. When people ask me what I do for a living, I'll usually give them a grin and say "Oh, I'm a professional geek". To which I usually get the response:

"Oh? What kind?"

Not a look of disdain that those growing up before, say, the 1990's might have received. Part of this I think it because of the dot-com boom (and bust): people saw that geeks could become millionaires, and if there's anything that influences people to do something it's money.

But the other thing is how much technology affects our lives. Cell phones and the Internet are on everyone's minds - you can't go 10 minutes without one some days. Because of this, geeks are now something of mystical wizards, the people who bring these cool "toys" to the masses to play with, including their iPods, the current status symbol, which 5 years ago was purely a geek music toy.

And because of this, I think that society is slowly starting to see the benefits of intelligence. Where before "egg headed intellectuals" would have been scoffed, intelligent activities are starting to aquire some respect. Look at TV shows: the most popular ones weren't just mindless driven, they were shows like "Lost" and "Battlestar Gallactica" and yes, "Desperate Housewives" (which I haven't watched), shows which contain very complex relationships and huge shades of gray in character.

The most popular books: Harry Potter, a book about a geek (a kid who likes to go to school and is best friend with the school uber-geek - a geek girl no less). Manga is becoming popular - I went into a bookstore and saw two whole isles, with 14 - 20 year olds hanging around - and not just the ugly ones, but cheerleaders looking at what once was only "nerd" material talking about how cute so-and-so is.

This isn't to say that those who are smart or different are entering Utopia - look at the current "Intelligent Design" debates and issues with extreme religious people trying to convert government to their way of thinking (as a religious person, this behavior really irks me. There's a reason why the "Render under Ceaser speak was made, and it's still applies, folks), or corporations muddling science (global warming? Where? Have another Hummer!) -

But things are getting better. Saying "I'm a professional geek" makes me the guy at parties people want to talk to. They ask about security, or about games they're playing (amazing how many executives have a PS2 these days), or just computer talk about their iPods or whatever. Yeah, they don't think I can play basketball, but that's ok.

I don't have to - I'm a geek.

Of course, this is all just my opinion. I could be wrong.

Don't get mistaken... (1)

Spy der Mann (805235) | more than 8 years ago | (#13667640)

People admire geeks' works - not geeks in themselves.

Teenage girls still go with the cool guys - if you're not cool, i.e. involved in something *boring* and not *popular*, you're a loser, period. The only thing that has changed is that some geek-specific jobs or hobbies have become more popular, like manga. Just because the mainstream know about the beauty and art of Manga doesn't mean they've earned more respect towards geeks, or get more interested in them.

I think geekness will never change. Geeks will always seek more, seek to know, to explore, and will sooner or later end up doing stuff that's not necessarily popular. Yesterday it was Startrek, then it was Manga - tomorror who knows? people will despise you because what you like isn't listed as cool in the one-word magazine teen girls read. Go to the highschool and ask a girl if she would date the guy everyone laughs at.

I really don't think geeks (or nerds, whatever the word) have become more accepted. People only become enamoured by the romantic vision of geeks: Hackers which do wonders with computers, or supergeniuses who do cool things with technology or "can repair my interweb thingy". But in reality, I doubt people accept the defects in geeks. It's really a discrimination problem, and i doubt people have stopped being racist towards geeks.

There will always be jerks and bitches to make fun of and ridiculize us. At least something conforms me. Geeks search and dwell in the things that will become popular tomorrow. We're pioneers, so to speak. It is a blessing, but there's a curse related with it. It's hard to work for a society that doesn't appreciate you.

Dayum, did I ever mis-parse that one (1)

Mille Mots (865955) | more than 8 years ago | (#13667209)

When I read 'Gaiman and Whedon...' the first thing that popped into my head was Whoopi Goldberg and Ensign Crusher. The strang(er?) part is that I never really watched any of the follow-on series.

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but geek BLOGGING is on the decline (1)

Evil Grinn (223934) | more than 8 years ago | (#13667230)

Re:but geek BLOGGING is on the decline (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 8 years ago | (#13667318)

Netcraft confirms, blogging is DEAD!

Whedon's Work (3, Interesting)

pieterh (196118) | more than 8 years ago | (#13667258)

Joss Whedon has done some remarkable things. Probably none of these are original, but he's combined them consistently, into packages which are only less precious (like some entire series of Buffy) because of the sheer volume.

- He mixes long story lines with short ones so you can enjoy both individual episodes and entire series.
- He has unconditionally excellent camera work, with many long shots, excellent lighting, and hand-held effects that seem cheesy but actually work well.
- He makes great use of music.
- He develops stable groups of characters, bringing interesting social dynamics to the plots, and letting us identify with different characters. I'd like to be Spike, but I know I'm really Xander.
- He stays semi-real, semi-fantasy, allowing him to explore dark subjects (death and loss) in different ways.
- He brings big-screen production quality to every episode, so the DVDs are really worth having.
- His dialogues are usually so good that in the few cases where the characters become formulaic stand out.

On the downside, his work tends to be very politically neutral, which makes it safe, but bland. Serenity was cancelled because it was slyly political, Robin Hood and the Sheriff of Nottingham style. The shocker is that it managed to get aired at all, on Fox TV, which is basically a mouthpiece for the Sheriff.

The unfinished Serenity first series, by the way, was fantastic. A wonderful cast, and every single aspect of the production deliberate and perfect, as far as I could tell. I don't normally make an effort to see specific films but I'm eagerly waiting to see Serenity.

Re:Whedon's Work (1)

TwistedSquare (650445) | more than 8 years ago | (#13667449)

I'd like to be Spike, but I know I'm really Xander.

You kids don't know you're born! I'd like to be Xander, but I know I'm really Andrew.

cult and indy != geek (3, Interesting)

east coast (590680) | more than 8 years ago | (#13667294)

I find tons of people into what have been labeled as "geek" passtimes from the entire d&d thing to the sci-fi fanatics but it seems that the more these people are into these "geek" activities the less they seem "geek" to me.

Am I expectiong too much out of the geek label? Or do I have the wrong definition? I always seemed to think of a geek as someone with a high technical/mathmatical/scientific proficency. It just seems the more "hardcore" fans of geek entertainment seem to be less into the logistical/technical aspects of life and more into simply the fantasy world that real geeks (by my standards only) often get lumped in with.

Geekgeekgeek (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 8 years ago | (#13667443)

Does this geek forebode the geek return of geek Jon geek Katz?

Took a look at MirrorMask (1)

hrieke (126185) | more than 8 years ago | (#13667507)

And my very first thought was-
This looks like something akin to Dark Crystal, Labrynth, and Neverending Story (orginal, not the sequals).
And sure enough, one of the selling points on the trailer was that Jim Henson Company was part of the production.
It should be interesting, but sadly I don't think Dark Crystal or Labrynth enjoyed much success at the box office, and I fear that MirrorMask will share the same fate.

Re:Took a look at MirrorMask (3, Informative)

Kelson (129150) | more than 8 years ago | (#13667648)

From interviews with Neil Gaiman, the movie got started when the Henson company looked at Dark Crystal and Labyrinth and noticed that while they didn't do very well in theaters, they've turned out to be quite successful in the home video market. People keep buying the tapes, DVDs, etc. year after year.

So they went to him and said, "Can you come up with an idea for a movie in this style, that we could produce on a low budget, and could you put in a word with Dave McKean? And we know we can't affort you as the writer, but would you at least come up with the story?" At that point he said something like "If Dave's direting it, I'm writing it," they got the deal, the two of them went off to spend a week or two in the Hensons' vacation home developing the story, and launched into it from there.

So while it would be wonderful if it did well in theaters, the studio is really counting on it being part of their home video line for the next 20 years -- just like The Dark Crystal and Labyrinth.

Corpse Bride & Wallace & Gromit??? (3, Insightful)

stefanlasiewski (63134) | more than 8 years ago | (#13667543)

How could any geek forget these two:



These are classic geek genres, and Wallace & Gromit is something I can watch with the kids!
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