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Wild Gorillas Impress With Their Tools

Zonk posted about 9 years ago | from the nice-wrench dept.

Science 276

fatgav writes "The BBC is running an article about wild gorillas being seen to use tools in the wild. It is especially significant as not only have Gorillas never been seen to use tools, but they have been using them in a way unlike other great apes. From the article: 'The most astonishing thing is that we have observed them using tools not for obtaining food, but for postural support.' The scientists are getting excited as it can help to explain questions as to how the most advanced great ape (us) came to evolve."

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Here's a hint (-1, Flamebait)

klipsch_gmx (737375) | about 9 years ago | (#13691101)

Humans didn't "evolve" from anything, and certainly not apes. Give me a break!

Re:Here's a hint (1, Funny)

Anonymous Coward | about 9 years ago | (#13691139)

Hahaha, hey, 769 BC called, they want their myths and lengends they pulled out of their ass back!!!

Re:Here's a hint (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 9 years ago | (#13691476)

Can you keep a secret? I'm at work and squirted in my pants. It smells and I can't get up from my desk until second shift goes off duty cause it stinks. Help.

Re:Here's a hint (-1)

Opticalsky (785289) | about 9 years ago | (#13691161)

Why was this rated Flamebait?

So it appears that a /. poster might have different beliefs, calling
something they believe in flamebait, only makes /. a less desirable
and less diverse community.

I personally think that gorillas that are showing signs of tools
is only a sign of intelligence nothing more.

Re:Here's a hint (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 9 years ago | (#13691186)

The delivery was flamebait, you moron. Not tough to see. Stop crying.

Re:Here's a hint (0, Offtopic)

Opticalsky (785289) | about 9 years ago | (#13691205)

To afraid to post under anything else other then Anonymous? The fact is, it was relevant to the story, even if it was an opinion. That's what slashdot is, opinions.

Re:Here's a hint (-1, Flamebait)

Anonymous Coward | about 9 years ago | (#13691249)

"Too afraid to post under anything else other than Anonymous?"

Too afraid to pass grade three English?

Re:Here's a hint (1)

Anonymous Coward | about 9 years ago | (#13691405)

When people say stupid shit that's obviously stupid, I post anonymously to not pollute the +1 posts. If I could post at 0 under my name I would. And fear isn't something I generally associate with a fucking website; not sure what sad world you're living in. Also nice to tear into people without being PC occasionally (not as if it matters, I have a 5 digit UID and excellent karma since, oh, 4 years ago).

The fact is, it might have been relevant to the story, but it was delivered as flamebait. It's really not too tough to grasp. /. is opinions, glad you picked that tricky one up, but there's also a "flamebait" modifier for a reason.

Now quit your bitching.

Re:Here's a hint (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 9 years ago | (#13691415)

(not as if it matters, I have a 5 digit UID and excellent karma since, oh, 4 years ago).

FAG

Get a life.

Re:Here's a hint (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 9 years ago | (#13691289)

I believe that the Earth is flat, that we never landed on the moon, and that negroes are categorically deficient when compared to the lighter and righter races. I hereby declare that by saying this, I make Slashdot a more desirable and diverse community.

(it really sucks when those "diverse opinions" are worthless and retarded, no? oh well, suck it up. ALL OPINIONS ARE EQUAL!!)

Re:Here's a hint (0)

CmdrTaco on (468152) | about 9 years ago | (#13691350)

I think it's rated flamebait because anyone who would really think that way should not even be able to operate a computer.

Re:Here's a hint (2, Insightful)

MightyMartian (840721) | about 9 years ago | (#13691395)

You know, the next time I hear pure unadulterated bullshit defended under the banner of "diversity" I think I'm going to scream. The evidence, all the evidence mind you, points to gorillas and humans sharing a common ancestor. In particular, the molecular evidence pretty much makes it an open and shut case, and the fact that a few guys have buried their heads in the sand so deep that they are actually willing to deny reality is simply an indication that at least gorillas, unlike humans, don't deny their environment.

Re:Here's a hint (3, Insightful)

DavidTC (10147) | about 9 years ago | (#13691315)

Humans didn't evolve from apes.

Humans are apes.

Sheesh. How could we evolve from ourselves?

Re:Here's a hint (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 9 years ago | (#13691387)

In you"next life", get your brain dry-cleaned. It won't shrink and may still function afterwards.

Actually (-1, Troll)

Anonymous Coward | about 9 years ago | (#13691105)

They really impress me with their immense cocks!

Re:Actually (-1, Offtopic)

Anonymous Coward | about 9 years ago | (#13691190)

Speaking from firsthand experience, I assume?

But... (4, Funny)

Anonymous Coward | about 9 years ago | (#13691107)

Are we any closer to explaining this:
http://www.ntk.net/media/dancemonkeyboy.mpg [ntk.net] .

And yet they say "Intelligent Design" isn't a falsifiable theory...

Re:But... (4, Funny)

HermanAB (661181) | about 9 years ago | (#13691194)

That video is different. It doesn't display any intelligence.

Re:But... (1)

DarthTaco (687646) | about 9 years ago | (#13691273)

I'm sure that video is old among slashdotters in general, but I've never seen it before. That's amazing... hard to believe a couple hops like that winded him too.

Re:But... (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 9 years ago | (#13691302)

So when does he use his tool?

errr, and who was sitting in the front row?

Re:But... Genetically designed by space aliens? (1, Interesting)

Anonymous Coward | about 9 years ago | (#13691410)

Well, not to offend those who place great faith in the omnicient Flying Spagetti Monster.

But is it possible that we are unique because we were genetically engineered by an intelligent alien race? Maybe despite evolution, humans had a little help, and what if... What if the evolutionary process is reversed? What if the monkeys are genetic mutations of us? or Continued experimentation by our hypothetical space brothers and sisters derived from human genetics, and not the reverse, as is commonly believed?

I'm not saying I know, or have proof. Just here's another angle to contemplate.

Re:But... Genetically designed by space aliens? (1)

cyko500 (315074) | about 9 years ago | (#13691473)

Hey you, alien boy, STFU! Everyone knows it was His divine noodly appendage that created us. He created the mountain, the trees, and the midget and He created you and me!AAAAARRRRRRRRRR!!!!!!!! Now put on your pirate regalia and repent or His noodly appendage will strike you down!

Re:But... (5, Funny)

MarkRose (820682) | about 9 years ago | (#13691480)

Well, some primates are definitely intelligent. After all, have you ever had this done to you [nyud.net] at the zoo?

first post (-1, Offtopic)

Anonymous Coward | about 9 years ago | (#13691117)

wooooo

but not (-1, Offtopic)

Anonymous Coward | about 9 years ago | (#13691294)

silly cat

Let's just hope.. (5, Funny)

yagu (721525) | about 9 years ago | (#13691126)

Let's just hope they never evolve to the level where they take up arms and declare war against us. Our record in Gorilla warfare hasn't been so stellar.

Re:Let's just hope.. (1)

mysqlrocks (783488) | about 9 years ago | (#13691142)

Let's just hope they never evolve to the level where they take up arms and declare war against us.

I think we're doing a fine job of fighting against ourselves. The chimps can just sit back and wait for us to kill each other and then they can rule the world. And we think we're smarter?

Re:Let's just hope.. (1)

fireboy1919 (257783) | about 9 years ago | (#13691185)

Nah, it's not a problem. They're not numerous enough to fight us, (but quite clearly this article doesn't tell the whole story [hyperborea.org] ...we only really need to worry about evil gorilla despots rising up and enslaving human and gorilla kind.

By the time the gorillas rise up to enslave humanity, we'll all have robot bodies, chainsaw hands, and the strength of five gorillas. What will really need to worry about is all the normal humans trying to kill off all the cyborgs.

Stinkin' humans.

Re:Let's just hope.. (2, Funny)

VeryProfessional (805174) | about 9 years ago | (#13691196)

Our record in Gorilla warfare hasn't been so stellar.

Just fight them in space... their record in stellar warfare makes them look like gorillas.

Re:Let's just hope.. (1)

Ironsides (739422) | about 9 years ago | (#13691347)

Our record in Gorilla warfare hasn't been so stellar.

Just fight them in space... their record in stellar warfare makes them look like gorillas.


I don't know... Captain Simian and the Space Monkeys [spacemonkeys.net] did fairly well in their battles against Nebula.

Re:Let's just hope.. (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 9 years ago | (#13691200)

And let's hope they never learn the difference between "guerilla" and "gorilla." That would put them above most /. posters.

Re:Let's just hope.. (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 9 years ago | (#13691331)

And let's hope they never learn the difference between "guerilla" and "gorilla."

Or understanding of the nuance of word play.

Re:Let's just hope.. (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 9 years ago | (#13691460)

That word play had all the nuance and subtlety of a garbage truck dropped off the Empire State building and he still didn't get it.

Re:Let's just hope.. (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 9 years ago | (#13691279)

That's the worst pun i've ever seen, I love it!

They don't impress me much... (5, Funny)

The Real Nem (793299) | about 9 years ago | (#13691127)

I thought Gorillas had relatively small "tools" compared to their human counterparts. Certainly nothing much to impress with.

Well Duh (-1)

fredistheking (464407) | about 9 years ago | (#13691130)

Everyone knows gorillas have impressive tools.

Re:Well Duh (1)

Fallingcow (213461) | about 9 years ago | (#13691181)

I'm glad to know I'm not the only one who saw that in the headline.

For a second I thought I was still looking at Fark; double-entendre headlines are usually their thing.

Re:Well Duh (1)

TapTapTheChisler (691570) | about 9 years ago | (#13691238)

Gorilla testicles are incredibly small relative to the size of their body (according to Bullshit)

Urban evolution (-1, Flamebait)

Anonymous Coward | about 9 years ago | (#13691133)

Just the other day I also saw a back dude walking with a cane.

Will wonders never cease?

Well, it's a known fact... (1, Funny)

clambake (37702) | about 9 years ago | (#13691134)

Human tools are bigger than gorilla tools... I mean, that's what makes us "great" apes right? (That and out ability to make puns at the drop of a hat!)

hoo haa (1)

42Penguins (861511) | about 9 years ago | (#13691140)

"It is especially significant as not only have Gorillas never been seen to use tools, but they have been using them in a way unlike other great apes." TFA doesn't seem to mention differences in their use of tools, just that they haven't been seen before.

Tool use by other great apes (3, Informative)

lightyear4 (852813) | about 9 years ago | (#13691168)

Check here [africanconservation.org] for some examples of tool usage in the other great ape families (primarily chimpanzees).

Addendum Re:Tool use by other great apes (1)

lightyear4 (852813) | about 9 years ago | (#13691184)

Addendum: See also [nationalgeographic.com] for videos and other examples of chimpanzee tool usage.

Re:hoo haa (1)

Bitsy Boffin (110334) | about 9 years ago | (#13691443)

What is different is that the tool use has not only been just indirectly related to attaining food, but some of it hasn't been involved in attaining food at all - simply getting from A to B.

For example, the extraction, reposition and use of the trunk of a dead shrub as an anchor point for leaning on, and later a bridge enabled the gorilla to reach food (without getting wet) but didn't *directly* get food for it, where as the typical tool usage example of using a stick to fish out termites or whatever is a very direct tool use - tool gets food which would seem to be a much easier relationship to come across.

I think that's whats really impressive here, that the gorilla (or some gorilla in the past that passed the knowledge on) made that indirect link - "hmm, there's probably tasty stuff down there, but I don't want to get all wet, so whats lying around that could help me do that".

Wow (4, Funny)

bahwi (43111) | about 9 years ago | (#13691145)

Such the wrong impression from that title. My mind is way too low right now.

Re:Wow (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 9 years ago | (#13691293)

Classic. Almost choked on my pepsi when I scrolled up to remember what the title was.

Re:Wow (1, Informative)

Anonymous Coward | about 9 years ago | (#13691327)

Almost choked on my pepsi when I scrolled up to remember what the title was.

Ya know, it's right there in the title bar. You don't have to scroll.

I learn intellegent design from school. (5, Funny)

Anonymous Coward | about 9 years ago | (#13691155)

My teacher says it proves all answers are in the Bible and that science nowdays is work of the devil. If you believe in science you're a fool. I pray for your souls.

No big deal (5, Funny)

darklordyoda (899383) | about 9 years ago | (#13691157)

Not a big deal, we already control the gorillas' habitats.

Now when the dolphins grow opposable thumbs, then we're screwed.

Re:No big deal (1)

Cheapy (809643) | about 9 years ago | (#13691452)

'Tis a dangerous thing to engage the authority of scripture in disputes about the natural world, in opposition to reason; lest time, which brings all things to light, should discover that to be evidently false which we had made scripture assert.

- Reverend Thomas Burnet (1635-1715)

Baboons (3, Interesting)

HermanAB (661181) | about 9 years ago | (#13691173)

I have seen baboons open doors, open garbage cans, whack things with sticks, whack shellfish with rocks - and baboons are held to be less intelligent than other great apes.

Re:Baboons (4, Informative)

Dave21212 (256924) | about 9 years ago | (#13691247)


Actually, some folks think baboons are more intelligent than gorillas... Steve Van Nattan is one. Here's a really odd little story... [blessedquietness.com]

This will be a hard one to write. Baboons are naughty animals by human standards, and many a tourist has been shocked at the manners of these hairy beasts. I personally think the chimpanzee is highly over-rated as to intelligence. Liberal animal huggers most often give the chimp credit for being the smartest ape because he, like his alleged fool evolutionary heir, man, can smoke cigars and ride bicycles. A baboon would flunk if cigars are the deciding factor. Nevertheless, I vote for baboons in the intelligence ratings. I think you may agree after you read this story.

Re:Baboons (3, Funny)

HermanAB (661181) | about 9 years ago | (#13691378)

"Actually, some folks think baboons are more intelligent than gorillas... Steve Van Nattan is one. Here's a really odd..." Uhh, are you saying that Steve van Nattan is a baboon or a gorilla?

Re:Baboons (1)

The Amazing Fish Boy (863897) | about 9 years ago | (#13691262)

I have seen baboons open doors, open garbage cans, whack things with sticks, whack shellfish with rocks - and baboons are held to be less intelligent than other great apes.

I think you've been hanging around Tony Shalhoub, Robin Williams, and James Gandolfini just a little too often....

you insensitive clod! (1)

GoddessOfDeath (887416) | about 9 years ago | (#13691368)

rob schneider is no baboon!

Re:Baboons (1)

lawpoop (604919) | about 9 years ago | (#13691382)

Well, raccoons do this too, and guaranteed, they are less intelligent than apes.

Re:Baboons (1)

HermanAB (661181) | about 9 years ago | (#13691430)

A raccoon can probably gnaw his way through a door, but I doubt they will turn the knob and open it. It is kinda scary when the back door of the cottage suddenly opens and a 5 foot tall 300lb hairy black monster is looking you in the eye - though I guess it regularly happens in US cities too...

In other news... (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 9 years ago | (#13691176)

One of the apes, when asked to put down one of tools, clearly said...

"No."

Bathroom Ape? (1)

No Salvation (914727) | about 9 years ago | (#13691177)

So how long until I can expect a bathroom Gorilla? [hillison.com]

Other Concerns (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 9 years ago | (#13691187)

I'm more worried about the rogue dolphins with dart guns or the sharks with frickin' laser beams attached to their heads or even the ill tempered sea bass.

Gorillas Gone Wild (4, Funny)

Zakabog (603757) | about 9 years ago | (#13691189)

See these WILD gorillas use their tools in ways never seen before! Order now and get "Gorillas Gone Wild: Spring Break Edition." A new tape sent every month, cancel any time!

Congressmen in the Mist (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 9 years ago | (#13691192)

Got to wonder how long it'll be before Congressmen are seen using tools? It may be from a lack of close study like with Gorillas but so far Congress has shown few signs of intellegence.

Worst... Title... EVAR... +Some real facts (5, Funny)

Dave21212 (256924) | about 9 years ago | (#13691198)


Wild Gorillas Impress With Their Tools... oh my, they do.

(Seriously, this is from a real book [arizona.edu] )
Excerpt From "Gorillas among Us: A Primate Ethnographer's Book of Days [arizona.edu] "

"They mated and were done in about two minutes. I guess he thought they were finished and went back to eating his celery. All of their matings before had been brief, usually only one or two copulations. But she turned around and stared at him again, just like before. He tried to turn away, but she stayed inches away from his face. They ended up mating thirty-three times that day. It was so funny, because he kept that celery in his hand the whole time and never got a chance to eat it. At the end of the day he came inside and passed out with that sorry wilted stalk still clenched in his fist."

Re:Worst... Title... EVAR... +Some real facts (1)

Maxo-Texas (864189) | about 9 years ago | (#13691265)

That is pretty darned impressive. Most I ever managed (loooong ago in my youth) was 6 or 7 times. That must have been some come-hither look she was giving him!

Be-Fore-play. (2, Funny)

Anonymous Coward | about 9 years ago | (#13691440)

"That must have been some come-hither look she was giving him!"

That wasn't a "come hither" look. That was a "Are you done already? Don't you dare roll over and fall asleep until I've had an orgasm".

Re:Worst... Title... EVAR... +Some real facts (1)

CAIMLAS (41445) | about 9 years ago | (#13691436)

That poor gorilla. That bitch wouldn't even let him eat!

This is new? (0, Offtopic)

Anonymous Coward | about 9 years ago | (#13691202)

I noticed that monkeys have been using the computer as a tool since I started reading slashdot posts...

Possibility (2, Interesting)

xgamer04 (248962) | about 9 years ago | (#13691210)

Maybe they saw humans (or some other 'higher' ape) using tools? I dunno, it's a possibility, right?

So true... (2, Funny)

Cerdic (904049) | about 9 years ago | (#13691212)

And they are such showoffs about it. I was invited over to the zoo last weekend by a gorilla. He was chugging the beers when he suddenly decided to take me to the tool shed to show me the new bandsaw he bought the day before.

From t-squares to circular saws, that ape had it all. I'm envious :(

Meta post... (4, Funny)

ktakki (64573) | about 9 years ago | (#13691213)

I predict that the comments to follow this story will consist of...

  • 54 comments about the double-entendre of the story's headline
  • 37 comments from people wondering where the gorillas got the credit card needed to order the Leatherman from thinkgeek.com
  • 15 "I, for one, welcome our tool-using gorilla overlords..."
  • 9 "In Soviet Uganda..."
  • 3 actually substantive comments about the use of tools among primates and other animals, such as chimps using sticks to probe anthills and termite mounds, seagulls dropping shellfish on beachside parking lots to break them open, dolphins using sea sponges to protect their snouts as they forage for food near stinging stonefish, and wood finches using twigs and cactus spines to pry insects out of tree trunks.


k.

Re:Meta post... (1)

Legion303 (97901) | about 9 years ago | (#13691264)

"54 comments about the double-entendre of the story's headline"

55.

Scientists are getting excited about the gorillas' impressive tools. Heh heh heh.

And of course you forgot: 2 comments about how only old Korean gorillas use tools these days.

Re:Meta post... (1)

Tezkah (771144) | about 9 years ago | (#13691269)

You forgot:
  • One metapost about the posts
  • One metapost about that post.

Re:Meta post... (1)

matman (71405) | about 9 years ago | (#13691292)

Dont forget one meta post, one meta-meta post, and a partridge in a pear tree.

Re:Meta post... (1)

elgee (308600) | about 9 years ago | (#13691332)

You missed some.

"But can they run Linux?"
"I would like to see a Beowulf cluster of them"

Re:Meta post... (1)

game kid (805301) | about 9 years ago | (#13691373)

"I would like to see a Beowulf cluster of them"

Me too, but don't tell the FBI that [slashdot.org] .

They, for one, would not welcome our gang-banging, impressive-tooled overlords.

On behalf of my kind and our impresive tools ... (1)

surelyserious (838590) | about 9 years ago | (#13691337)

I for one welcome your guerrilla underwear.

Re:Meta post... (1)

geoff43230 (829540) | about 9 years ago | (#13691400)

The jury would have also accepted :

2. ?
3. profit!

Re:Meta post... (1)

Saeger (456549) | about 9 years ago | (#13691422)

What... A Planet of the Apes prequel gets no love?

Cluster! (2, Funny)

hellfire (86129) | about 9 years ago | (#13691464)

You forgot the 1 comment wishing for a beowulf cluster of tool-using gorillas.

Ape Tales (4, Interesting)

Doc Ruby (173196) | about 9 years ago | (#13691253)

I can't find the article in Google now, but I remember about 5 years ago reading about ape tribes exhibiting "written language" behavior. As I recall, apes would set out from their tribe's collective sleeping place to find food in nearby forest. After they found some, they'd return, breaking twigs along their path. Other apes in their tribe could follow the "signs" back to the food later. But apes of other tribes couldn't recognize the signs. The apes apparently learned to interpret the signs in their own tribal language, but not others.

Now they're seen using walking sticks. Perhaps we'll find that apes use the sticks in different styles, and that some styles are learned by watching other apes. What would we look for to discover that some of that learning is derived from the marks made by the sticks, rather than watching a stick-using ape "in person"? If we found those records, would we have discovered "ape fashion magazines"?

Re:Ape Tales (3, Funny)

sd_diamond (839492) | about 9 years ago | (#13691438)

Now they're seen using walking sticks. Perhaps we'll find that apes use the sticks in different styles, and that some styles are learned by watching other apes. What would we look for to discover that some of that learning is derived from the marks made by the sticks, rather than watching a stick-using ape "in person"? If we found those records, would we have discovered "ape fashion magazines"?

"Oh... My... God. Did you even SEE that gnarly branch that Og was carrying around yesterday? And he calls that a walking stick? What-EVER. I so can't believe that I almost copulated with him last mating season. I only hope the primatologists weren't watching. I would NEVER be able to live with myself..."

Vancement (0)

Doc Ruby (173196) | about 9 years ago | (#13691276)

"Advanced"? How are we more advanced? Put us in an ape's forest, and we're dead meat, long before we get a chance to think about reproducing. We're more "advanced" than apes only in our adaptation to our human environment, which requires human features for things like walking upright across grasslands, hitching rides with opposable thumbs, reading Slashdot posts (OK, that works against reproduction). Thinking about evolution as a race towards some goal is holding us back from better fitting our environment.

Re:Vancement (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 9 years ago | (#13691403)

Perhaps we're more advanced in that we've adapted our environment to suit us, rather than adapting to suit our environment. Of course, that makes us more vulnerable, but only if we're forced to live without all our technology.

Re:Vancement (1)

Doc Ruby (173196) | about 9 years ago | (#13691428)

Apes crap out seeds of the plants they prefer to eat, thereby modifying their environment to suit themselves, too. We're not that good at what we humans do, just better than the other animals. We get to name them, but they don't answer to our names. They probably think we're "dumb beasts", in our own way, and they're probably as right as we are about them.

You know... (0)

sehryan (412731) | about 9 years ago | (#13691296)

I for one welcome our new gorilla overlords.

What an Old Story (2, Funny)

LordHatrus (763508) | about 9 years ago | (#13691305)

Really now, slashdot. I'm ashamed. You call yourselves technophiles? My buddies and I were on 'the scene' of these new technologies 6,000 years ago! Honestly!

First comes postural support (2, Funny)

cove209 (681558) | about 9 years ago | (#13691328)

Next comes Planet of the Apes

What a job... (4, Funny)

SenseOfHumor (903349) | about 9 years ago | (#13691333)

"We've been observing gorillas for 10 years here, and we have two cases of them using detached objects as tools,"...


Where do I sign up for these jobs?

This is news? (2, Informative)

ObjetDart (700355) | about 9 years ago | (#13691343)

I thought it's been well known for years that gorillas use tools. You don't think they've typing all that spam by hand do you?

This is consistent with His Noodly Teachings (3, Funny)

ScentCone (795499) | about 9 years ago | (#13691346)

From the article: 'The most astonishing thing is that we have observed them using tools not for obtaining food, but for postural support.'

Sure, because being simple souls, they get all of the flown-in pasta they can pray for. And of course, Postural Support is exactly the sort of thing that you'd expect from a Creator [venganza.org] that really understands what it's like to have only Noodly Appendages.

George Bush? (0)

Mancat (831487) | about 9 years ago | (#13691361)

Why is the last picture in the article a photo of George Bush?

Great tools (0, Offtopic)

caller9 (764851) | about 9 years ago | (#13691364)

I had a huge comment to post replete with political stabbing.

My point was distilled to this:
Make environmental damage unprofitable. Take control of the monetary machinery that funds environmental damage and fix it.

This is much like the belief that human nature is generally good and that the net effect of a communal effort will be good. All lies.

Survival and greed are the motivators. Use them to your advantage. May your advantage be shared among your peers. I hope that your peers are the majority.

This sounds very interesting... (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 9 years ago | (#13691390)

For the love of God, Malda, why are you posting yet another dupe? [whitemeato...street.com]

Wild Gorillas Impress With Their Tools (-1)

$RANDOMLUSER (804576) | about 9 years ago | (#13691396)

Of course, The Answer Is More Power! arrrr arrrr arrrr!

we are not the most advanced (4, Insightful)

PhatKat (78180) | about 9 years ago | (#13691401)

there is no most here. does anyone understand that? Evolution doesn't have a purpose, it just is. To say "we are the most advanced" is exactly the same as saying "in our opinion we are the most advanced" and since presumably no other animal can respond to us in our language, the ayes have it. It's still total hogwash though. to say "most advanced" can't be applied unless there are qualifiers. For instance "humans are the most advanced animals because we birth the heartiest young" or how about "humans are the most advanced because we have the most sophisticated perceptual awareness" or "humans are the most advanced because we are the most peaceful."

Re:we are not the most advanced (1, Informative)

CAIMLAS (41445) | about 9 years ago | (#13691457)

The difference here is that no other species has the concept of being advanced. Hell, they don't even have the concept of concept. So, in the terms of reasoning, yes, we are the "most advanced".

Stop this nonsense, use them for medical testing (1)

LogicallyGenius (916669) | about 9 years ago | (#13691412)

I dont believe all this we are superior

Uh, ok? (1)

CAIMLAS (41445) | about 9 years ago | (#13691418)

So, gorillas (and other primates) use tools. BFD. Elephants use tools. Spiders can make tools. Dolphins can be trained to use tools. Pretty much any animal with a limited set of natural tools suited to their environment can learn how to use tools.

I'm not sure I see what the big deal is, as this doesn't "prove" anything.

Yeah, (3, Funny)

jpellino (202698) | about 9 years ago | (#13691425)

Murdoc & Noodle do OK with their axes - dunno if you give Russel credit (are drumsticks tools?) but 2D's certainly learned to make the best with what he's lost...

And.... (1)

omnipresentbob (858376) | about 9 years ago | (#13691427)

Twice in ten years they see gorillas using tools. I think random chance could account for that better than saying that gorillas regularly use tools. Also, why is it that the great apes are special? I think it's actually much more plausible that we share an ancestor with a bird, rather than great apes. At least, I'd like it to be that way. Then I'd realize I don't actually have arms and hands, but wings! Yay!
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