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HP to Install Netscape on all new PCs

ScuttleMonkey posted more than 8 years ago | from the bring-back-the-browser-wars dept.

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TJ Parisi writes "News.com is reporting that HP / Compaq will begin to install all PCs sold in the US and Canada with Netscape. Users will be prompted with the option to set either Netscape or IE as the default browser." From the article: "The agreement, which the companies are set to announce Monday, is the first browser distribution deal with a major PC maker since the end of the browser wars in the 1990s, according to Netscape, a division of Time Warner's America Online subsidiary."

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To bad it is news. (1)

jellomizer (103300) | more than 8 years ago | (#13708376)

The sad part is the fact that this is considered news. The browser wars is something that really shouldn't of happened. By choosing sides in the browser wars it causes everyone to loose. The netscape supporters are forced to browse incompatible web sites. IE supporters are now stuck with a huge target for security attacks. If we all just refused to join sides and went with using both or a third browser (There wasn't that many other ones back then that were up to snuff in the mid 1990s). Then we may have a different world, perhaps one where web developers create Standard Compliant Pages.

No linux though - its too hard to use (-1, Flamebait)

Anonymous Coward | more than 8 years ago | (#13708377)


Linux is *not* user friendly, and until it is linux will stay with >1% marketshare.

Take installation. Linux zealots are now saying "oh installing is so easy, just do apt-get install package or emerge package": Yes, because typing in "apt-get" or "emerge" makes so much more sense to new users than double-clicking an icon that says "setup".

Linux zealots are far too forgiving when judging the difficultly of Linux configuration issues and far too harsh when judging the difficulty of Windows configuration issues. Example comments:

User: "How do I get Quake 3 to run in Linux?"
Zealot: "Oh that's easy! If you have Redhat, you have to download quake_3_rh_8_i686_010203_glibc.bin, then do chmod +x on the file. Then you have to su to root, make sure you type export LD_ASSUME_KERNEL=2.2.5 but ONLY if you have that latest libc6 installed. If you don't, don't set that environment variable or the installer will dump core. Before you run the installer, make sure you have the GL drivers for X installed. Get them at [some obscure web address], chmod +x the binary, then run it, but make sure you have at least 10MB free in /tmp or the installer will dump core. After the installer is done, edit /etc/X11/XF86Config and add a section called "GL" and put "driver nv" in it. Make sure you have the latest version of X and Linux kernel 2.6 or else X will segfault when you start. OK, run the Quake 3 installer and make sure you set the proper group and setuid permissions on quake3.bin. If you want sound, look here [link to another obscure web site], which is a short HOWTO on how to get sound in Quake 3. That's all there is to it!"

User: "How do I get Quake 3 to run in Windows?"
Zealot: "Oh God, I had to install Quake 3 in Windoze for some lamer friend of mine! God, what a fucking mess! I put in the CD and it took about 3 minutes to copy everything, and then I had to reboot the fucking computer! Jesus Christ! What a retarded operating system!"

So, I guess the point I'm trying to make is that what seems easy and natural to Linux geeks is definitely not what regular people consider easy and natural. Hence, the preference towards Windows.

Firefox is Better (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 8 years ago | (#13708379)

If the customers are important they should put Firefox

Netscrape is still around? (1)

Solra Bizna (716281) | more than 8 years ago | (#13708380)

I thought Firefrocks, Oprah, and Lynch are all that is still competing with Internet Exploder...

-:sigma.SB

Netscape or Firefox (1)

bjdevil66 (583941) | more than 8 years ago | (#13708386)

Why doesn't a company use Firefox instead of Netscape? Surely the brand-name of Netscape has lost most if not all of its luster/weight by now...

And Why... (-1, Redundant)

Anonymous Coward | more than 8 years ago | (#13708387)

And Why not Mozilla Firefox?

More Pre-Bundled Software! Yay! (5, Insightful)

kubevubin (906716) | more than 8 years ago | (#13708389)

You know, HP, it's hard to market a computer as "fast" or "productive" whenever it's bogged down with excessive pre-installed software. I'm sure that Netscape will also be set to load at startup with everything else that's installed, eh?

WTF? (1, Insightful)

Anonymous Coward | more than 8 years ago | (#13708394)

Must've been paid to do so or they would've chosen Firefox & Thunderbird.

First boast (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 8 years ago | (#13708404)

Must be a boring article

obligatory quote (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 8 years ago | (#13708408)

"General Kenobi: Years ago, you served my father in the Browser Wars; now he begs you to help him in his struggle against the I-Empire. I regret that I am unable to present my father's request to you in person; but my ship has fallen under attack and I'm afraid my mission to Alderaan has failed. I've placed information vital to the survival of Navigator into the memory systems of this R2 unit. My father will know how to create AJAX apps with it. You must see this droid safely delivered to him on Alderaan. This is our most desperate hour. Help me, Obi-Wan Kenobi; you're my only hope. "

First. (-1, Offtopic)

Anonymous Coward | more than 8 years ago | (#13708409)

Post.

Why? (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 8 years ago | (#13708410)

Given that Netscape can be compatible with all the Internet Explorer-only websites out there because it embeds Trident, why would they even offer Internet Explorer as an option?

Well, this is a dumb idea. (2, Informative)

aergern (127031) | more than 8 years ago | (#13708411)

Why not install Firefox? Netscape is just a UI clusterf**k of what Netscape was. This will make people go " see.. see.. alternative browsers just suck! ".. *Sigh*

netscape more like fail (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 8 years ago | (#13708413)

amirite?

Microshaft vs. Nutscrape (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 8 years ago | (#13708414)

Bad name for a porno no?

Firefox (1, Interesting)

Anonymous Coward | more than 8 years ago | (#13708415)

Why not a good browser that people use like Firefox?

I've had issues with Mozilla - firefox is better (-1, Troll)

Anonymous Coward | more than 8 years ago | (#13708416)

I added a Linux partition to my WindowsXP box, and installed Redhat 7.1.
When I try to close one window in Mozilla, ALL of my open mozilla windows
crash. When I try to move my mouse in KDE, it freezes up and I have to
telnet into the machine from my XP box to shut it down.

I heard Linux was more stable and secure, but how come I'm having these
problems? Also I can't run any Windows programs in wine because wine
can't run them for some reason. I paid for the Redhat Pro box, which cost
me almost 200 dollars, and the redhat tech support was very feeble and
wouldn't answer any questions other then the most basic. Redhat did send
me a hat for buying the Pro version, but I'll have to toss it because I
wouldn't want anyone to know that I was foolish enough to pay for a linux
distro..

With all these linux problems, how could those promoting linux say it is
more stable then windows? It isn't from my experience, and the money I
wasted on Redhat 7.1 could've been spent on a date. My question is, why
would people use FUD to promote something that doesn't work on the
desktop?

Thankfully I used partition magic to reformat my linux partition and now
my Windows XP OS does everything I want. Common sense tells me there is a
reason why people don't use linux, and it's not because microsoft is
"evil". I've never had any problems with a windows OS crashing (mostly
because I used Win NT 4, Win2k and now XP).

Why do you guys lie so much about Linux? It seems like a fun hobbiest
toy, but for real work, XP is the answer. Maybe if your claims about
stability were true, more people would use linux.

IE for IE makes the web blind (2, Interesting)

Slashdot_Gandhi (912342) | more than 8 years ago | (#13708420)



Netscape is about seven years late. I want to understand why they didn't do something like this when they were battling M$ in an anti-trust lawsuit. Well, yea it makes sense. You can't do something and go to court saying that your competitor is doing a similar thing at the same time. Gotta wait till 2005

its just AOL (3, Insightful)

hobo sapiens (893427) | more than 8 years ago | (#13708428)

I would be suspicious. I can't tell you how much AOL crapware I had to uninstall and/or purge from the registry when I bought a Dell (don't). The fact that AOL has Netscape now would just make me wonder...

Just give me IE. I guarantee the first two pages I'll visit are mozilla.org and opera.com. Then, no more IE. No crapware for me!

Meh (5, Insightful)

phatwuss (619909) | more than 8 years ago | (#13708431)

That's like asking someone to choose between two pieces of excrement. Why not a choice between Opera and Firefox instead?

More choice (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 8 years ago | (#13708432)

Could this be the start of another choice in the browser arena since the Browser Wars? And why isn't Firefox an option..?

Netscape? (1)

mashtb4 (902800) | more than 8 years ago | (#13708434)

Why would anyone, let alone HP, use a browser like Netscape? You might as well use Opera or IE...

netscape sucks (1)

hector_uk (882132) | more than 8 years ago | (#13708436)

who analy raped netscape when i wasent looking? seriously i used it in 1997 and it was good but every new version just seems more bloated and slow

Netscape! (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 8 years ago | (#13708440)

Use Netscape .. if it's good enough for AOL it's good enou... Oh.

Why not bundle FireFox? (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 8 years ago | (#13708442)

It's a lot more feature rich and mature.

OMG Netscape? (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 8 years ago | (#13708445)

Of all the browsers available? The hideous NETSCAPE? WTF! Why not Firefox? Or Opera?

Why not Firefox? (0)

ZiakII (829432) | more than 8 years ago | (#13708447)

I'm sorry if this sound like a troll but why not just use Firefox? Its more secure then IE and its a lot more similar to IE then Netscape, which will get users to actually stop using IE.

HP to install Netscape....and (1)

steinkeller (125043) | more than 8 years ago | (#13708448)

And this is NEWS because? Netscape is always 2 revs behind it's open source brother Mozilla/Firefox.

Who cares if it's installed, its downloadable

Heh (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 8 years ago | (#13708453)

Read that as "how to install netscape on all pcs"

First post! (1, Funny)

Anonymous Coward | more than 8 years ago | (#13708455)

First post!

Will someone please explain (1, Interesting)

the_mighty_$ (726261) | more than 8 years ago | (#13708456)

why Netscape? Bundling Firefox or Opera I might understand, but I dont have a clue why they would bundle Netscape. What advantages does Netscape have?

Oh, my emachine that I bought several years ago came with Netscape, so HP is not the first to do this.

Which version? (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 8 years ago | (#13708458)

Ooooh! Ooooh! I hope it's Netscape 4.7!

So... (2, Funny)

Anyletter (875753) | more than 8 years ago | (#13708459)

Are we going to see Firefox and Opera on more machines, or is this just another attempt by AOL to infect the world?

frost pis't (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 8 years ago | (#13708461)

whoo hoo

smart move (4, Informative)

vivek7006 (585218) | more than 8 years ago | (#13708465)

"We specifically chose the Netscape browser because od its ability to run both the Triton (IE) and Gecko (Firefox) rendering engines" Sounds like a smart move on part of HP. Does opera allow choosing multiple rendering engines?

Why? (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 8 years ago | (#13708466)

There's something inherrently wrong with having to set your browsing options twice. This is just a bizarre decision on HP's part. Why not FireFox?

Users (1)

mrclark13 (812867) | more than 8 years ago | (#13708468)

This is surely good news, yet I wonder how many of those who would buy from HP actually care what browser they use. In fact, they probably will just be confused by this. Sad, but true (in my own purely anecdotal experiences).

too little too late for netscape (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 8 years ago | (#13708470)

Don't see what HP gets out of this. Twould be better if they installed
Firefox, Thunderbird, and other open source programs.

Why? (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 8 years ago | (#13708471)

Netscape is still bloated and overall an awful product.

TW must be paying big $$$ for this deal. How much do you want to bet the browser home page will be a TW property?

Interesting... (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 8 years ago | (#13708477)

Perhaps this has something to do with the fact that AOL purchases many of their thousands of infrastructure servers (running Linux, BTW) from HP/Compaq....

Some kind of "behind the scenes deal" perhaps

fp (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 8 years ago | (#13708480)

frosty piss to yall from MikeTROLL!

Firefox? (1)

agibbs (729458) | more than 8 years ago | (#13708481)

Does Netscape have anything on Firefox/Thunderbird anymore? Why not just go with the Mozilla apps instead?

Using the IE rendering engine? (1)

KermodeBear (738243) | more than 8 years ago | (#13708482)

From the Article:

"Netscape 8 is based on Firefox, but lets users switch between both the Firefox and IE browser engines."

I hate to say this, but if you're just going to wrap some pretty pictures and a few extra features around the IE rendering engine, what's the point? It's still IE under the hood. Hopefully the Firefox engine will be on by default. If the use becomes more widespread then maybe web developers will try to be a little more standards compliant and reduce the use of IE-specific technologies.

Sweet (1)

heavy snowfall (847023) | more than 8 years ago | (#13708483)

Now if only they had gone all the way and installed Firefox. Still, brand recognition has its place, and this is a good example of where it can be used for a good purpose (less successfull phising and virii!).

--
the best Firefox extensions! [arpx.net]

More app's not choice. (1)

jupiter909 (786596) | more than 8 years ago | (#13708485)

What venders need do is roll out some useful applications with new PC's, not options for more of the same sort of applications.

*cough cough*Perhaps these venders read /. and like the idea of dups. O.o

who cares, Microsoft still owns AOL.... (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 8 years ago | (#13708488)

...thus they own Netscape. Seems to still be a browser market held by a single owner, does it not?

It's all about the money.... (1)

ip_freely_2000 (577249) | more than 8 years ago | (#13708489)

...too bad the Firefox Corporation isn't paying a Tier 1 box seller to install the best browser in the biz.

It would have been nice to have three options on their setup screen.

Interesting (1)

The Bungi (221687) | more than 8 years ago | (#13708493)

The terms of the settlement between Microsoft and the Justice Department that force Windows to be able to use another browser/email client have been in force for what, three years now? Four? And it took an OEM this long to do this?

Well, surely it wasn't because no one had shipped a free browser that didn't suck rocks and could actually match IE6. No, it was probably that monopoly/strong arming thing I keep hearing about.

Why Netscape? (2, Insightful)

BobWeiner (83404) | more than 8 years ago | (#13708494)

I'm surprised HP chose Netscape over Firefox. What was the rationale behind their decision?

Changing perceptions of the internet... (2, Insightful)

CCelebornn (829849) | more than 8 years ago | (#13708495)

This is good news; I'm guessing that the threat of HP making a BIG fuss will stop Microsoft from changing any of the OS discounts that HP get. Even if Netscape isn't used; the fact that the icon is there is good; The netscape icon represents another way to view the internet... too many people right now think IE IS the internet. Just that slight change in perception is a start.

What the hell... (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 8 years ago | (#13708497)

It should be firefox instead of netscape! What is wrong with the company? If they choose firefox over netscape, it will surely wow people who discover it. And netscape sucks...

On the other hand, HP want money. In short term business sense and long term business sense, it seem reasonable.

Very interesting (1)

jav1231 (539129) | more than 8 years ago | (#13708499)

If Microsoft is buying a controlling stake in AOL, as has been reported, how long will this deal hold?

Good decision (2, Insightful)

rjdohnert (772699) | more than 8 years ago | (#13708500)

Im so happy Netscape is being preinstalled. Opera or Netscape would have been a significant choice

Default option (1)

$exyNerdie (683214) | more than 8 years ago | (#13708506)

Users will be prompted with the option to set either Netscape or IE as the default browser

What would be selected by default? Many users will just go with the default...

Slow news day on /. (1)

HotNeedleOfInquiry (598897) | more than 8 years ago | (#13708511)

First a question about WEP on Win, now it's big news that HP is giving away a free browser.

Of course, I'll get modded down as flamebait by the fascist moderators, but that's life and my karma can handle it. If you can't laugh at my post at least laugh at my sig...

Microsoft (1)

mysqlrocks (783488) | more than 8 years ago | (#13708513)

Has anybody heard of any reaction from Microsoft on this? It would be interesting to see what they have to say. I'm sure they're not happy about it.

About Mozilla (2, Insightful)

Saxerman (253676) | more than 8 years ago | (#13708515)

And so at last the beast fell and the unbelievers rejoiced. But all was not lost, for from the ash rose a great bird. The bird gazed down upon the unbelievers and cast fire and thunder upon them. For the beast had been reborn with its strength renewed, and the followers of Mammon cowered in horror.

from The Book of Mozilla, 7:15

Hurrah. (1)

Creepy Crawler (680178) | more than 8 years ago | (#13708521)

Lets avoid a good browser (Mozilla or NOW free opera) and go with crippleware rebranded piece-o-crap Netscape.

Where's my default banner-blockers? Thats right, that takes away money from web sites.

Where's sane web-surfing rules already loaded in? Cause they dont care if you get hit by the next crapware-of-the-week.

Where's a cornucopia of tools and plugins to modify (dare I say improve) Netscape? Oh yeah. AOL instant messenger. ;-(

No thank you.

Firefox ? (1)

@l3X (149197) | more than 8 years ago | (#13708522)

The answer may be obvious, but why not firefox + thunderbird instead of the quite "heavy" netscape suite ?
Plus the fact that netscape sounds sooo 90's while firefox got some momentum lately...

anyway, my 2 cents...

Now if only they'd install (1)

ZipR (584654) | more than 8 years ago | (#13708525)

Antivirus software that didn't expire, novice computer users would be much better off.

first post (-1, Offtopic)

Anonymous Coward | more than 8 years ago | (#13708526)

* Please try to keep posts on topic. * Try to reply to other people's comments instead of starting new threads. * Read other people's messages before posting your own to avoid simply duplicating what has already been said. * Use a clear subject that describes what your message is about. * Offtopic, Inflammatory, Inappropriate, Illegal, or Offensive comments might be moderated. (You can read everything, even moderated posts, by adjusting your threshold on the User Preferences Page)

I know why. (-1, Offtopic)

Anonymous Coward | more than 8 years ago | (#13708527)

Because Opera sucks.

yay for netscape! (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 8 years ago | (#13708529)

I just think it's funny that this story has been posted for over 10 minutes with no comments. That's about the level of excitement that Netscrape seems to elicit.

http://www.thecounter.com/stats/2005/September/bro wser.php [thecounter.com]

Browser Stats
Thu Sep 1 00:03:01 2005 - Fri Sep 30 23:58:40 2005 30.0 Days

1. MSIE 6.x 62223734 (83%)
2. FireFox 5806423 (8%)
3. MSIE 5.x 3170911 (4%)
4. Safari 1311540 (2%)
5. Unknown 825628 (1%)
6. Opera x.x 493514 (1%)
7. Netscape 7.x 470219 (1%)
8. Netscape comp. 336956 (0%)
9. MSIE 4.x 69689 (0%)
10. Netscape 4.x 53738 (0%)
11. Konqueror 53638 (0%)
12. Netscape 6.x 14293 (0%)
13. Netscape 5.x 8381 (0%)
14. Netscape 3.x 1977 (0%)
15. MSIE 3.x 1968 (0%)
16. Netscape 2.x 193 (0%)
17. Netscape 1.x 33 (0%) - wtf?

In other news (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 8 years ago | (#13708532)


Daves PC servicing and installation services will be removing all AOL related files, Netscape, Symantec, toolbars, HP update checkers and spyware, sponsored links in Internet Explorer, Real Player, Apple Quicktime and other such trialware and ALL commercially sponsored programs from all new HP systems sold and replacing them with Free alternative replacements from October 2nd till 2007 for free !

just give me and my customers a clean PC, if you want to bundle windows thats one thing but bundling all the other crap i or my clients dont want is abuse, just sell me a fsking computer and you and your friends can get out my life

Mixed feelings (1)

koreaman (835838) | more than 8 years ago | (#13708533)

I suppose anything's better than IE, but why not go with the more popular (and probably better, but I haven't tried netscape lately) Firefox or the more advanced (and now gratis) Opera?

/. broke (-1, Troll)

Anonymous Coward | more than 8 years ago | (#13708534)

and cmdrtaco SUCKS!!!!
FUCK THE GNAA THEY ARE FAILING IT!!!!!
--MikeTROLL Wishes you a Merry Christmas!--

Nice but so what? (2, Interesting)

frank249 (100528) | more than 8 years ago | (#13708538)

I never stopped using Netscape but I fear this will not bring back many users. The users who care will switch to Firefox or Opera. The rest will use what they use at the office which for most of use is IE. This is like buying a computer that comes with Corel WordPerfect. It is better than Office but if it is free it can't be any good.

Do they enjoy their bad reputation? (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 8 years ago | (#13708539)

Why aren't they installing Firefox, a browser someone might actually want to use?

Why Netscape? (1)

necro81 (917438) | more than 8 years ago | (#13708541)

If HP was shopping around for an alternate browser to IE, why turn to Netscape? Why not Mozilla (Firefox), Opera, or something else entirely? And why, if there were any rumblings about this beforehand, did the (other) browser companies (even if not seeking a profit), push their own, free products to reach a wider market?

I am not criticizing the HP's decision, I am just genuinely interested to know why. It is interesting in TFA that Netscape 8 can apparently switch between a Firefox and IE core, for widespread compatibility. Can others offer insight?

Net... scape? (1)

Frazbin (919306) | more than 8 years ago | (#13708544)

I didn't know they were still scaping the nets. At first glance this looked completely inane, but I guess "...Netscape 8 is based on Firefox, but lets users switch between both the Firefox and IE browser engines." That's almost snappy. Makes a fella wonder exactly how this switching mechanism works. I'm on the verge of interested, but a quick visit to http://www.netscape.com/ [netscape.com] makes me think Netscape might be more interested in "...Jenna Bush's Latest Surprising Escapades" than being my browser choice. Doesn't look like they're into Linux much, either. So much for a blast from the web browsing past.

Look, mom! Mom! Mom! Look!! Mom! Look!! Look, mom! (2, Insightful)

fuckface (32611) | more than 8 years ago | (#13708546)

This may have been a coup 6 or 7 years ago, but this is a waste of bandwidth on today's internet.

H-Paq is a company on its way down.
Netscape lost the war and continues to lose market share even to its own offspring.

Sounds to me like they're scraping the bottom of the barrel for any press coverage they can drum up. Cuz god knows you can't download and install it yourself. And the OS doesn't have its own default-browser setting menus. Oh wait, you can. And it does.

Simple question: (1)

raoul666 (870362) | more than 8 years ago | (#13708547)

Why not include Firefox? Or Opera, for that matter. Choice is good, and choice between free things is even better.
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