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ATi Radeon X1K Graphics Launched, Benchmarked

CmdrTaco posted about 9 years ago | from the pixels-are-good dept.

Graphics 199

MojoDog writes "ATi has officially launched their all new Radeon X1000 family of 3D Graphics cards this morning and a full showcase with benchmarks of the entire line-up can be found at HotHardware. What may or may not be surprising to you, is the fact that the new high-end flagship X1800 is still a 16 pixel pipe GPU but now running at a blistering 625MHz. Is it fast enough to catch NVIDIA's 24 pipe GeForce 7800 GTX?"

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What are you up to? (0, Interesting)

Anonymous Coward | about 9 years ago | (#13721850)

Why is Slashdot portscanning me [imageshack.us] ?

Re:What are you up to? (2, Informative)

rylin (688457) | about 9 years ago | (#13721860)

Because you're posting as an AC.
It happens to logged-in users with low karma too.

Re:What are you up to? (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 9 years ago | (#13722239)

I can observe those matters-of-fact as well, but what is their reason for doing this?

I occasionally post AC to keep my karma (that includes avoiding karma whoring), not to have a fucking website set off intrusion detection alerts and fill up firewall logs! It's rude and bad netiquette, period. Many ISPs consider their users doing portscans to be against their TOS and just cause for disconnection.

Re:What are you up to? (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 9 years ago | (#13722662)

to check if you're a zombie trollbot.

How boring! (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 9 years ago | (#13721970)

Although the comment is modded offtopic, and although the picture does indeed have lots of red in it, it is not what I hoped it to be... How boring!

Re:What are you up to? (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 9 years ago | (#13722204)

Slashdot portscans you if you're a low karma logged in user, or an AC; if it finds an open proxy, you're not allowed to comment.

It's a defence against trolls and crapflooders, more than anything else.

Re:What are you up to? (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 9 years ago | (#13722725)

It's a defence against trolls and crapflooders, more than anything else.

No, it isn't.

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What really matters (5, Interesting)

Anonymous Coward | about 9 years ago | (#13721861)

How are the Linux drivers?

Re:What really matters (-1, Flamebait)

theantipop (803016) | about 9 years ago | (#13721998)

What are you linux folk doing that requires these over-engineered graphics cards?

Re:What really matters (2, Funny)

Austerity Empowers (669817) | about 9 years ago | (#13722061)

Playing the latest ubar FPS under some windows emulator.

Re:What really matters (1)

FidelCatsro (861135) | about 9 years ago | (#13722091)

Playing games like UT2004 when we have a break from working .

Though I wouldn't buy an ATI card even if they got their drivers on par with their windows Drivers .
They are just not very good at OpenGL are they .

Re:What really matters (1, Troll)

digidave (259925) | about 9 years ago | (#13722336)

"I wouldn't buy an ATI card even if they got their drivers on par with their windows Drivers"

Their Windows drivers suck, too. I can't wait until I my 9800 Pro needs to be replaced so I can get an Nvidia card. ATI wooed me with a great price, and they lost me with lousy drivers. Their Linux drivers are without a doubt horrible.

Re:What really matters (2, Insightful)

Seehund (86897) | about 9 years ago | (#13722399)

But is this the fault of the drivers or of the hardware?

I'm no 3D API programmer, but my ignorant gut feeling says it's the drivers. I mean, in this perspective OpenGL and D3D are just different ways of telling the hardware to do the same thing, aren't they?

ATI R520: "Hmmm, I'm told to draw this line. OK, here we go... Hey, wait a minute! That was OpenGL who said that, not Direct3D! I'll shuffle this down the SLOW pipeline! Now I wouldn't mind taking five with a cup of coffee and a smoke."

Then again, if it's just the drivers, how come ATI don't just f-ing fix them (for Windows at least, I no longer have any illusions about their Linux "support") instead of staying well-deservedly infamous -- for as long as I have known their products -- for being slow on OGL?

Re:What really matters (1)

FidelCatsro (861135) | about 9 years ago | (#13722628)

I was thinking about this .. its a conundrum indeed .
It wouldn't make sense to deliberately cripple OpenGl support (Conspiracy theory : MS has paid them to do it ) as they would just be making their cards look bad in some benchmarks
D3D and OpenGL in essence do the same thing and can't really be that different ,Cedega seem to be doing rather well redirecting the calls.
ATI has OpenGL working quite well on Macs .
Nvidia has it working on windows .

So what exactly are ATI up to , and what are their driver programmers doing .
I don't really use windows so I don't have experience that area recently but looking at the benchmarks there is something up .

It could be a hardware issue .. but that would not explain the Mac performance

Re:What really matters (5, Informative)

bigtrouble77 (715075) | about 9 years ago | (#13722092)

The linux drivers have come a long way. I've been using the latest 32bit drivers with good success. On my mobile Radeon9700 I average 2500fps in glxgears in ubuntu. Maya seems to be working pretty well too, although I haven't tried any really complex scenes yet.

In the last release ATI has a graphical installer which sorta worked, but I still had to compile the fglrx modules which would be a pain for a complete noob. It's too bad that the ati control panel is really only useful for configuring dual monitors and confirming that opengl is working. It would have be nice to have the plethora of opengl features the windows control panel has. You still have to edit the xorg.conf for a few things.

Re:What really matters (3, Insightful)

theJML (911853) | about 9 years ago | (#13722097)

I think ATI still believes that Linux is not a long-term viable gaming platform and therefore they are not coming out with linux drivers... Which is why I still run Nvidia cards on my linux boxes. They have the same unified driver base for linux as they do for windows and it just simply works. And since linux is what I use 95% of my time, I'm not buying ATI anytime soon.

Because good linux drivers are important ... (1, Insightful)

kapowaz (667664) | about 9 years ago | (#13722306)

... when buying a top-end graphics card for playing all those new DirectX 9-powered games, aren't they?

Re:What really matters (3, Informative)

slummy (887268) | about 9 years ago | (#13722407)

From experience, the proprietary Linux drivers that ATI provides aren't that great. They're still very buggy. I've had good success with the open source ATI drivers [sourceforge.net] .

Re:What really matters (1)

Svenne (117693) | about 9 years ago | (#13722467)

They suck, of course. Noticeably slower 2D than their OSS counterpart (try running a 2D intensive emulator, for example), doesn't support Xinerama like the X.org driver does, and you should consider your self lucky if you manage to get good framerates from the OpenGL screensavers in XScreensaver.

doesnt look too hot. (5, Insightful)

j-joshers (880017) | about 9 years ago | (#13721866)

I thought ATI was going to seize the advantage from Nvidia with these cards but from what the article is telling me it appears to be a GF5900-style bust. I was thinking the X1600 would've been exactly what I needed but I may just get the 6800GT instead. Oh well.

Re:doesnt look too hot. (1)

hector_uk (882132) | about 9 years ago | (#13721978)

i guess we'll have to hope for a 32 pipe nvidia crushing r580 once the r500 for the 360 is all done and they can get back to work on nvidia ownage.

Re:doesnt look too hot. (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 9 years ago | (#13722060)

Sounds like a fanboy is upset.

Re:doesnt look too hot. (1)

hector_uk (882132) | about 9 years ago | (#13722096)

it's that deep seated love of canadians owning America at something that does it

Re:doesnt look too hot. (4, Funny)

Ford Prefect (8777) | about 9 years ago | (#13722148)

It does look like hot hardware to me - I think this is what the 'blistering' refers to.

Just make sure your PC has adequate cooling and is kept away from flammable items!

Re:doesnt look too hot. (1)

Breogan (730642) | about 9 years ago | (#13722192)

This review is the only one I've seen where the X1800XT loses so badly to the 7800GTX. In every other review I've seen ATI's card has a little edge in D3D games, but nVidia still wins in Doom3 and other OGL games.

Re:doesnt look too hot. (2, Informative)

Ubergrendle (531719) | about 9 years ago | (#13722502)

I don't think it will be *that* bad. Other sites like DriverHeaven [driverheaven.net] are giving a marginal nod of the X1800XT over the 7800GTX even with the new Nvidia drivers. One thing that Nvidia has been fortunate about is by getting to market 6 mos earlier, they have 6 mos of driver tweaking to boost their performance. I trust ATI driver development more than Nvidia ,and suspect a similar 5-10% boost over the lifetime of the card will occur.

At the lower end though you're right, the 1600 and 1300 models aren't very strong contenders. But given the lower number of pipes on the X1800 (16), theoretically this chipset has ALOT more headroom if it goes to 24 or 32 down the road.

Fast enough ? (4, Insightful)

karvind (833059) | about 9 years ago | (#13721867)

I will worry more about the drivers, especially for linux. Also ATI had some problems with supply of the chips in the last few quarters.

Re:Fast enough ? (1)

Zediker (885207) | about 9 years ago | (#13722055)

Doesnt ATI do the same thing Nvidia does and sell the chip fab plans to other chip-makers, or do ATI chips only come straight from ATI? (Havent bought an ATI card in over 10 years)

Re:Fast enough ? (1)

digidave (259925) | about 9 years ago | (#13722304)

I believe they sell the chips along with reference boards and schematics so 3rd parties can make their own boards, but they (and Nvidia) would be crazy to let anybody else fab the chips. It's their name and brand on the line and they can't risk crappy chips being released. Besides, there are probably very few chip plants that have the capability to produce a modern GPU.

X1000?? (5, Interesting)

Serengeti (48438) | about 9 years ago | (#13721871)

Why do naming schemes suck, anymore??

X1000? I thought the "X" in "X800" was there because those video cards were the generation after "9800" and "9700"... Whats next, OSX11?

Intel, AMD, ATI, nVidia... Mazda... they're all driving me nuts with their product naming schemes, lately...

Re:X1000?? (5, Funny)

Iriel (810009) | about 9 years ago | (#13721926)

But at least they all have a long way to go to catch up to Motorola ^_^

I can't wait for some XTRM GRFX CRD.....(suddenly disturbed by the likelyhood of such blasphemy)

Re:X1000?? (1)

forrestt (267374) | about 9 years ago | (#13721987)

Well, they could have continued w/ the Roman numeral theme and had XM instead of X1000, but I'm pretty sure that is trade marked.

That is probably why naming schemes suck, the marketing department has to come up with a name no other company has ever used in order to get it through the legal department.

Re:X1000?? (1)

Surt (22457) | about 9 years ago | (#13722014)

Well, the key problem is that in marketing speak, x is cool, but xi is wierd and hard to pronounce. ex eye? zi? No matter how you pronounce it, it just sounds wimpy compared to x. So once you reach x, what can you do? You pretty much have to shift to a different naming/numbering scheme.

Re:X1000?? (4, Funny)

Quasar1999 (520073) | about 9 years ago | (#13722062)

They don't have to make sense...

Geforce
Geforce 2
Geforce 3
Geforce 4Ti
Geforce 5600
...
OR...
Windows 3.1
Windows 95
Windows 98
Windows 2000
Windows ME
Windows XP
Windows Vista

I'm simply trying to point out that nothing makes sense in the computer industry anymore... Hell my Dell Dimension 8100 PC is crappier than my Dell Dimension 4600. Explain that to me.

Re:X1000?? (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 9 years ago | (#13722105)

Hell my Dell Dimension 8100 PC is crappier than my Dell Dimension 4600. Explain that to me.

I'll take a shot. This seems to be a fairly common name/numbering system these days. The first digit represents the generation, while the second one represents where in the generation that particular model falls. So, your 8100 is several generations newer than your 4600, but it's at the very bottom of the pile. If they need to squeeze a model in between the 8100 and slightly better 8200, they'll call it the 8150. Make sense?

Re:X1000?? (3, Funny)

Mawbid (3993) | about 9 years ago | (#13722123)

Each Dell is crappier than the next?

Re:X1000?? (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 9 years ago | (#13722566)

Simple - the product generation with their systems is signified by the number in the 100's place on the model number.

Re:X1000?? (1)

GauteL (29207) | about 9 years ago | (#13722144)

"X1000? I thought the "X" in "X800" was there because those video cards were the generation after "9800" and "9700"... Whats next, OSX11?"

Actually I think the "X" in "X800" has more to do with it being designed for PCI-X. The same goes for the X300, which AFAIK is a much slower performer than 9800.

Re:X1000?? (1)

malfunct (120790) | about 9 years ago | (#13722231)

Thats a nice theory except for the fact that those cards were designed with native pci-e not pci-x.

Re:X1000?? (1)

AgentX24 (797752) | about 9 years ago | (#13722364)

The naming system makes sense to me: 7x00 8x00 9x00 Xx00 X1x00 So just like 7, 8, 9, 10, 11, with the second digit being how high up in that generation it is. It's hard to make it any simpler, while still sounding snappy for the consumer.

Re:X1000?? (1)

Xugumad (39311) | about 9 years ago | (#13722472)

Keeping track of graphics card naming schemes is giving me a headache. I had an ATI 9700 Pro, and at the time the 9800 Pro was the fastest. There was also the 9500 and 9600, which were mid range cards, and something below.

Then we hit the X series. Suddenly X800 Pro is the lowest of the high end cards, and there's an X800 XT (or something) which is the higher one. Now we've got XL, GT, GTX, X700s, X300s, and X1n00 somethings.

I want a name that clearly indicates the generation of card (which '9', then 'X' and now 'X1' pretty much do), but also target audience (typically the second digit of the card number does this, but they need to be consistant between generations), and then I want a clear indication of where the card lies in that generation/target combination.

So, for example, the latest Nvidia graphics cards might be 7830 instead of 7800 GT, and 7870 instead of 7800 GTX. This gives room above and below for expansion, and means that I know a card is faster, in that brand/generation, if the number is higher. I'd also like Nvidia and ATI to sit down, and agree on these numbering schemes, so all I have to do is remember the brand I want, and the rest if just a case of comparing model numbers and looking for one that's high, and I can still afford.

Instead, I have to currently remember what numbers each brand uses to designate which generation, target audience, current weather, and just what the GTLXPro on the end means.

</rant>

Re:X1000?? (1)

Gunny101 (894783) | about 9 years ago | (#13722642)

No, the X means 10, as in the roman numeral.

9700
9800
10800 = X800
So 11000 = X1000

I wonder if the next release will be XV800 for the 14800 :\

Re:X1000?? (1)

azatht (740027) | about 9 years ago | (#13722726)

If you are counting like that, then it should be more like:
  • 9700
  • 9800
  • A800
  • B000
/carl

All in one page without the ads (5, Informative)

neosake (655724) | about 9 years ago | (#13721881)

Re:All in one page without the ads (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 9 years ago | (#13721906)

No luck, that one has #int(articleid)# too :-(

I wish it wouldn't.

Re:All in one page without the ads (2, Interesting)

lucabrasi999 (585141) | about 9 years ago | (#13721963)

Today's winner of the Roland Piquopalliehsasdflkj Honorary Blogger Self-Promotion award is: Mojo-Dog. Special kudos go to slashdot editors, who continue to accept slashvertising as real "submssions".

In honor of this award, we are now providing a special slashdot effect to Mojo-Dog's server. Guess sometimes that self-promotion backfires, doesn't it?

Backfires? (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 9 years ago | (#13722003)

Printable ad-less page? Slashdot? Backfires?

Why do these words conjure images of Bic lighters held near ... never mind!

Re:All in one page without the ads (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 9 years ago | (#13722241)

And whilst you're at it chaps

http://www.negia.net/~dandrew/paper/1mbill.jpg [negia.net]

Save your thanks for this valueable image and donate your change (about $6) to the republican party in the name of "Anonymous Coward".

Third Word Misspelled - New Record? (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 9 years ago | (#13721882)

"This past hear has been a tumultuous one for ATI"

This article isn't even on Slashdot. Are editors everywhere losing their touch?

At Last (5, Funny)

Winckle (870180) | about 9 years ago | (#13721885)

Now to reach into my bottomless pit of money!

Re:At Last (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 9 years ago | (#13721938)

Why did I misread that as "Now time to reach into my bottomless pit, monkey"?

Unfortunately, although dumb enough to use ColdFusion, the site's operators where still smart enough to put int() around articleid. Maybe another day...

Re:At Last (1)

FoxDude0486 (920496) | about 9 years ago | (#13722019)

Or for the other half of the people that can afford something like that. Reaching into their welfare and/or other government checks that they get for reason's that shouldn't be for spending on things like this.

Re:At Last (0, Offtopic)

Eccles (932) | about 9 years ago | (#13722654)

Now to reach into my bottomless pit of money!

What, are you part of the Bush administration?

Hey, they act like they have a bottomless pit of money...

Honestly... (4, Insightful)

Shads (4567) | about 9 years ago | (#13721890)

... I'm not that impressed. Technically the product looks to be superior but performance wise it's not doing well... it seems more like a "dud" generation like the early fx series leafbl... graphics cards nvidia put out. I think the next generation of nvidia and ati cards are going to be much more interesting than the present generation. Have to wait and see though.

Re:Honestly... (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 9 years ago | (#13722000)

Honestly you're looking at it all wrong. its an X1K which is like 10,000 or something. The nvidia is only 7800 and therefore less awesome. I don't know why they bother with benchmarking when they could easily ask a maths professor which number was higher.

Re:Honestly... (3, Insightful)

argStyopa (232550) | about 9 years ago | (#13722525)

I'm definitely impressed. This is the cutting edge of gaming goodness, all pixelly and shaderly, I think everyone should go out and get them. ATI should aggressively price them to entirely redefine the video card market and seize share from Nvidia.

What?

Oh, no, I'm not impressed with this card. I'm impressed with the opportunity that ATI will jump totally on this bandwagon, thus reducing dramatically the prices for all their other cards that are from previous generations but offer nearly identical performance.

W00t for the bleeding edge, and the price breaks behind the curve!

Excellent (5, Funny)

Anonymous Coward | about 9 years ago | (#13721894)

I will remortgage my house in anticipation

Re:Excellent (1)

caca de toro (871980) | about 9 years ago | (#13722177)

ROFL! Hehe! That is very funny!

No (4, Interesting)

Anonymous Coward | about 9 years ago | (#13721925)

The problem is not the hardware it's the software. And our understanding of how to write decent software. ATI's drivers while 'fairly good' still suck horrible for some rudmentary taskst. For example ever seen how crappy a ATI mobil chip makes a video from your laptop to a TV set look?

Re:No (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 9 years ago | (#13722169)

> The problem is not the hardware it's the software. For example ever seen how crappy a ATI mobil chip makes a video from your laptop to a TV set look?

Yes, but that's a hardware problem. When you make a point to try and prove something, try and make the point prove whatever it is you're proving, else you'll just look silly.

Staying with the Radeon name (1)

TV_Slug (911583) | about 9 years ago | (#13721948)

Since this was "delayed" technology, I can see the logic of staying with the Radeon name, especially since they have put a lot of money into the recognition for the line. But in the short term, it just makes me say ho-hum to this new release. Now we'll just have to wait for NVIDIA's next shot across their bow.

Re:Staying with the Radeon name (1)

Worminater (600129) | about 9 years ago | (#13722016)

nVidias last shot didnt go across the bow; it pierced it, and this doesnt look to be good enough to patch that hole imo...

Usable links (1, Insightful)

Anonymous Coward | about 9 years ago | (#13721981)

One-page review without a bazillion flash ads:
http://www.hothardware.com/printarticle.cfm?articl eid=734 [hothardware.com]

Coral cache:
http://www.hothardware.com.nyud.net:8090/printarti cle.cfm?articleid=734 [nyud.net]






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No AGP versions of the 1800 (1, Informative)

Anonymous Coward | about 9 years ago | (#13721988)

Since they are not doing an AGP version (which they were initially going to do) of the 1800 I could care less. ATI has forced me back towards Nvidia

Re:No AGP versions of the 1800 (4, Insightful)

theantipop (803016) | about 9 years ago | (#13722090)

...who incidentally isn't producing AGP versions of their cards either. The way it stands, ATI has the fastest (and highest number of) AGP cards to offer.

11 Comments... (1)

sweetnjguy29 (880256) | about 9 years ago | (#13721993)

...and the site is already slashdotted...any mirrors?

Re:11 Comments... (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 9 years ago | (#13722044)

Many other sites will do reviews. Techreport [techreport.com] , for example.

Re:11 Comments... (1)

Zediker (885207) | about 9 years ago | (#13722113)

Mirrordot works... sorta... its still running a little slow from my end today.

Leafblowers (3, Interesting)

jandrese (485) | about 9 years ago | (#13722010)

Well, it had to happen sooner or later. The X1800 engineering sample card pictured in the article is double high and has a giant blower on the top of it. I wonder how long it'll be before we get a card that comes with an external fan attachment that you have to hang off of the back of your case?

Re:Leafblowers (1)

LordKazan (558383) | about 9 years ago | (#13722542)

I think this is just an issue with version 1 releases of new heat making cards - wait until the third party manus get ahold of the chips and put more efficient (space and energy) cooling systems on them

Re:Leafblowers (1)

MatD (895409) | about 9 years ago | (#13722582)

I believe the last generation of voodoo cards had a unit similar to that. It used a heat pipe unit to draw air directly from outside the case.

My 2 cents (5, Insightful)

GFPerez (683823) | about 9 years ago | (#13722030)

My 2 cents: there are two key aspects: 1) Price; 2) Availability. 1 - If the price's too high, it would be very difficult to convince people to buy a high-end card with almost the same performance that a $100-less card (7800GTX). 2 - Remember that the X1800XT will be available only middle-November, which gives nVidia a lot of time to think how to counter-attack with something like a 7800Ultra.

I've seen shorter masters theses (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 9 years ago | (#13722039)

Somebody spent a lot of time researching and writing this article. My impression was that it wasn't done for free in someone's spare time. It makes me wonder where the resources came from. Maybe someone can clue me in but, when I see something like this (in a field that I am not familiar with and certainly don't know the players), I get a bit cynical. Did someone pay to have the article written? Is it truly done by an impartial outside observer?

Re:I've seen shorter masters theses (1, Offtopic)

theantipop (803016) | about 9 years ago | (#13722121)

See those ads all over the place? The sites authors don't display those out of charity, you know. Hardware review sites get a lot of traffic, thus, many ad-links. Also they very frequently keep review kits. For free? No. Impartial? Is that really possible in any field?

Other Articles with a bit More Depth (3, Informative)

Vigile (99919) | about 9 years ago | (#13722048)

This reminds me of.. (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 9 years ago | (#13722115)

my fucking hairy asscrack

Re:Other Articles with a bit More Depth (1)

Vigile (99919) | about 9 years ago | (#13722435)

And by Depth I mean...staying online!

Links to other "Reviews" (5, Informative)

Anonymous Coward | about 9 years ago | (#13722065)

Power requirements: The key (5, Informative)

dauthur (828910) | about 9 years ago | (#13722075)

"What may or may not be surprising to you, is the fact that the new high-end flagship X1800 is still a 16 pixel pipe GPU but now running at a blistering 625MHz. Is it fast enough to catch NVIDIA's 24 pipe GeForce 7800 GTX?"

Most people are worried about price, availability and not what counts with ATI cards nowadays: Power. I bought an X850 AGP and the power requirements are absolutely ridiculous. Surely, my Antec 550w can handle it, but it's completely unnecessary, as shown by nVidia. I don't like the idea of having to put aside an extra $10 a month to power my graphics behemoth, although I do love the performance.

Toasts (0)

Jimpqfly (790794) | about 9 years ago | (#13722081)

Just another graphic card getting hot enough to make toasts with you PC... It becomes boring...
My old Matrox Mystique doesn't heat my entire room, why should these new cards do it ? That's no real progress to me.
I look forward to see some faster progress concerning the power draining of new graphic cards...

Re:Toasts (1)

Fackamato (913248) | about 9 years ago | (#13722118)

Umm, no progress? How about comparing the PERFORMANCE? Your old Mystique doesn't stand a chance :-). Mind you, there are different versions of the cards, like the X1300, etc. X800XT is the highest performing one, for gamers, thus it will generate more heat. Get an X1300 or a passively cooled 9550 or something if you want mediocre performance without the heat output.

SLI Quad Royale (2, Insightful)

distantbody (852269) | about 9 years ago | (#13722117)

And you thought two gpus's were hot? Well not anymore with this new motherboard hotty (with pics) [tomshardware.com] supporting not 2 or 3, but 4 (OMFG!) gpus via 2* SLI. Of course all this technowhoring glory comes at a cost, with 4 GPUS likely to force most average gamers into submissive bondage for a month or ten, not to mention what it will take to prevent such a toasty little box from going critical!

==Nuclear Power Now!==

The best thing (4, Insightful)

Bullfish (858648) | about 9 years ago | (#13722156)

If you're like most people and running a single 1280 by 1024 monitor resolution tops, the best thing about these cards is they make the top end of the previous generation cheaper. I can only see one of these cards (nvidia or ati) being a must buy if you are running 1600 by 1200 or multiple monitors. Especially as many games are frame locked at certain rates. My 9800XT still plays any game I throw at it just fine regardless of what the hardware sites say. Between the two manufacturers, it's a matter of preference regarding the image quality. Me, I think ati is a little sharper, but that is subjective.

Re:The best thing (1)

Surt (22457) | about 9 years ago | (#13722595)

Well, I think it is pretty safe to say that the target audience for these cards is high end gamers willing to spend ~$2000/year on game playing hardware. Once you're in that target market, you surely do have either a 1600x1200 or 1920x1200 monitor, in which case you really do want something faster pretty badly. And with LCDs getting their response times lower and lower (enabling higher frame rates), these cards are (as usual) going to become useful for an ever growing percentage of the gaming population. All of this is essentially no different from how things have been for the last 3-4 years already.

Where's the AGP?! (3, Insightful)

cavemanf16 (303184) | about 9 years ago | (#13722165)

Some of us are still humming along on our AGP 4x/8x AMD64 mobo's with plenty of RAM to spare. Where are the new graphics cards for us?!?! nVidia and ATI are in some damn war over their latest, greatest PCI Express cards while they pay little attention to providing cards built for AGP card slots. This, quite frankly, sucks. I'm not a freak about buying every new graphics card that comes out, but it's getting to the point where it's about time to upgrade (so I can enjoy more features of HL2's DoD:Source HDL tweaks) and you simply can't [newegg.com] buy [newegg.com] an nVidia 7800 card for an AGP slot. If I'm going to spend twice as much on a video card than any processor I've purchased in the last 5 years, it better be the best I can get right now so that it lasts me for a long time to come, but alas, no such card is made for my mobo! Where's the love, graphics card companies?

The way of the Dodo... (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 9 years ago | (#13722382)

Sorry. Old technology. Not good enough to increase past limits inherent in the design. That, and they can't sell you new stuff if you don't have to upgrade.

The new PCI SLI will outperform AGP as soon as they get their act together. I don't expect to see high-end products for AGP anymore.

Re:Where's the AGP?! (1)

theantipop (803016) | about 9 years ago | (#13722418)

Buy an X850XT. It's just about as fast as the fastest cards out in most cases, plus it should see a bit of a price drop into the $300 territory in the next few months. If you are so interested in dropping $500 for the latest video card, maybe a $75 PCIE motherboard wouldn't be too much for you to consider.

Who cares? (2, Interesting)

jitterysquid (913188) | about 9 years ago | (#13722208)

Is there some current game that demands that much performance?
Once you're gaming at 100fps 1600x1200 with all the bells and whistles, why do you need a new card (or pair of cards)?

Is there some game in the pipes that will actually use all the fancy features that these cards have?

6800 GT is doing fine! (0)

caca de toro (871980) | about 9 years ago | (#13722248)

My Nvidia 6800 GT is plenty for BF2. Won't be upgrading for at least another year or more.

Re:6800 GT is doing fine! (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 9 years ago | (#13722672)

Good for you. Nobody cares if you don't want to upgrade. This is about the X1800, not your 6800GT.

someone explain "pipes" (1)

HelloKitty (71619) | about 9 years ago | (#13722276)


it has 16 "pipes", while nvidia has 24 "pipes"...

I assume this means instruction pipelines? which would suggest ATI can do 16 instructions in parallel while nvidia can do 24...

Re:someone explain "pipes" (1)

Carewolf (581105) | about 9 years ago | (#13722441)

No it's a measure of how much crack they can smoke in parallel. Apparently NVidia is ahead.

Apparently... (1, Redundant)

christoofar (451967) | about 9 years ago | (#13722413)

it's not fast enough to serve up web pages for their performance stats (/.'d)

Paper Launch Part 2 (2, Interesting)

DeadBugs (546475) | about 9 years ago | (#13722505)

It's been noted on many sites that these cards are not available for sale yet. ATI has been getting hammered lately over their decision to "paper launch" crossfire, while telling review sites that they would be in stores. Don't expect to see these cards for at least a month.

http://www.anandtech.com/video/showdoc.aspx?i=2550 [anandtech.com]

More reviews (1)

Thomas DM (895043) | about 9 years ago | (#13722594)

Here's [dvhardware.net] a list of most reviews of the Radeon X1K family.

Dual display support should be dual DVI. (0)

Pinback (80041) | about 9 years ago | (#13722706)

WTF? What kind of cheapskate bastards ship a new model card with dual monitor support, but without dual DVI? (Save 50 cents on an extra DVI connector, and the DVI to VGA dongle?)

They had a chance to knock the 6600GT out of the lowest priced widely available dual DVI card slot, and they blinked? Morons.

No X1800 for AGP, just X1600 and X1300 (1, Interesting)

Anonymous Coward | about 9 years ago | (#13722713)

Apparently, the X1800 parts will be PCI-E only. Only the X1600 parts and X1300 parts will be offered with the 8X AGP bridge.

Now, most serious gamers may say "who cares". Well, for those serious gamers (like myself) who built their machine 2 years ago -- we do. PCI-E wasn't really a viable option then, so we went with AGP.

Today I ended up ordering an AGP X850XT Platinum Edition. Why? Because the brand new X1600XT just doesn't cut the mustard in comparison. Sometimes its lagging behind by 20-30 fps. Although the X1600 XT part is likely to be lower priced, for those of us who want to give our rigs that "mid-life upgrade", the X850 XT PE is the best-shot since it's likely to be the highest performance part we'll ever be able to choose from.

18 months from now I'm hoping I'll be able to retire that machine for a Mactel and stick in whatever crazy card I can, but until then, 20-25fps at 1600x900, minimum detail doesn't cut it when I'm trying to tank Molten Destroyers for my guild. (this is a GeForce 6600GT, which incidentally, plays Half-Life 2, UT2004, and Doom 3 amazingly well at 1600x900, high detail)

Too bad the X1800 parts won't be offered in AGP -- I'd probably get one.
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