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Video iPod Oct 12?

CmdrTaco posted about 9 years ago | from the rumors-flow-like-honey dept.

Technology (Apple) 471

Petey_Alchemist writes "Apple Insider is reporting that Apple will release a video iPod on October 12th, possibly in conjunction with the announcement of Apple's fourth quarter results. From the article 'Although details are scarce, sources who claim to have seen the new iPod describe it as being similar to Apple's 60GB iPod photo player, but several millimeters thinner. The device reportedly sports a smaller click-wheel akin to that of the iPod nano's, making way for a larger, higher-resolution color display that extends further down the face of the device.' "

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it's all just rumor... (3, Informative)

jabella (91754) | about 9 years ago | (#13722811)

and think secret [thinksecret.com] is saying the exact opposite: no vIpod, it's powermac and powerbook updates.

in a week we'll all know!

Re:it's all just rumor... (2, Funny)

Nimloth (704789) | about 9 years ago | (#13722913)

on October 12th, possibly in conjunction with the announcement of Apple's fourth quarter results
Bit early to be accouncing fourth quarter results, unless they also plan on announcing their new Astrologer service.

Re:it's all just rumor... (5, Informative)

znu (31198) | about 9 years ago | (#13722978)

Apple, like many companies, has its financial quarters offset from calendar quarters for tax purposes. Apple's third quarter ended June 25th.

Re:it's all just rumor... (3, Informative)

Anonymous Coward | about 9 years ago | (#13722980)

Its not a bit early if its the end of their fiscal year:

http://finance.yahoo.com/q/ks?s=AAPL [yahoo.com]

Fiscal Year Ends: 25-Sep

Re:it's all just rumor... (2, Informative)

AnotherShep (599837) | about 9 years ago | (#13722983)

Just like it was 'too early' last year [apple.com] ?

Re:it's all just rumor... (-1, Offtopic)

Anonymous Coward | about 9 years ago | (#13722914)

torrent?

Re:it's all just rumor... (5, Insightful)

Oculus Habent (562837) | about 9 years ago | (#13722928)

The invitation picture piques my interest, though. I don't think it'll be a video iPod, but I think movies are involved bdsed on the red curtain.

The "AirPort Express" device is probably not for the iPod, but rather like the Express, a video-out system for Macs, allowing you to play your movies to your TV without having them near each other... Hasn't this constantly been the intention of Apple - the "digital hub" without all the wires?

I wonder if/hope it will support a remote control, so you can control your on-computer content in the other room from the TV.

Re:it's all just rumor... (4, Insightful)

jabella (91754) | about 9 years ago | (#13723000)


personally, i think it's going to be the rebranding of the itms from 'itunes music store' to the new media store.

they'll sell movies, etc. no new device for watching on tv yet. no new video ipod yet. you need a base of people who use the service that really WANT a remote way to move their media around first. how many people (outside the slashdot community) would even HAVE movies to put on an vipod now?

Re:it's all just rumor... (1, Insightful)

Anonymous Coward | about 9 years ago | (#13723104)

The red curtain is meaningless. Read the fine print: The event is being hosted at a theater.

Widescreen iBooks (2, Informative)

Anonymous Coward | about 9 years ago | (#13722957)

It's been on the table for a while, and according to the company supplying the screens, are set to unroll sometime in early 2006.

Thinksecret is contradicting itself... (3, Insightful)

GekkePrutser (548776) | about 9 years ago | (#13722998)

That's strange, on the 5th of September Thinksecret claimed that we wouldn't see new powerbooks this year. http://www.thinksecret.com/news/0509g5.html [thinksecret.com]

Quote:
No PowerBook revision?

Sources are also reporting that the pending Power Mac revision will be the last Mac upgrade of the calendar year. Contrary to other reports, Apple's PowerBook line, last revised in February with only incremental upgrades, will likely not see an upgrade before Macworld Expo San Francisco in January 2006, at the earliest.

Re:it's all just rumor... (0, Troll)

nofx_3 (40519) | about 9 years ago | (#13723004)

I concur, apple is not stupid enough to release a video ipod and piss of all the people who just bought a nano but would have gotten a video ipod instead. Granted they are two different markets but I just got a nano as my first ipod and would most likely have prefered a video ipod if one was done well.

Apple sues Insider... (2, Funny)

doublem (118724) | about 9 years ago | (#13723007)

Apple lawsuit over the leaked information in 5... 4... 3...

The screen! (4, Insightful)

glamslam (535995) | about 9 years ago | (#13722812)

Let's just hope this screen resists scratches much better than the nano. At least you do not have to look at the nano to enjoy listening to it...

Re:The screen! (4, Funny)

Basehart (633304) | about 9 years ago | (#13722959)

I've had my Nano for a week now and there are no mystery scratches appearing on its surface, but then again I keep mine wrapped in a lens cleaning cloth.

As soon as my Invisible Shield [theinvisibleshield.com] shows up though, I'll be able to keep it in the same pocket as my grit, rough diamonds and emery boards.

Re:The screen! (2, Informative)

dcstimm (556797) | about 9 years ago | (#13723019)

Use Brasso to take the scratches off... Brasso [dailey.info]

Where's the market? (3, Insightful)

dada21 (163177) | about 9 years ago | (#13722817)

Video is not portable in any successful manner. Cell phone providers can't get people interested; portable mini-LCD DVD players spend more time on family room shelves than in-use.

Music videos? Does MTV even play them anymore? Who watches videos?

My impression is that Apple is trying to make the market viable, yet the iPod's popularity rode on years of MP3 success from Napster-on. Who trades videos over P2P or buys video DVDs from Borders, Wal-Mart or Amazon?

Is it a workaround from the RIAA? Doubtful. Is it attempting to fill up the hole in a dwindling music video market? Unlikely. Is it a feature that will get a huge initial "ooh toy" interest that will never get used after the first few weeks?

I can't see why this is needed unless Apple foresees video Podcasts from independent video "bloggers" or DIY TV show sites, but even that is a stretch.

The iPod coasted on the coattails of a huge market without a user friendly portable player. Video iPod is trying to invent a market boom.

Re:Where's the market? (4, Interesting)

mysqlrocks (783488) | about 9 years ago | (#13722841)

Video is not portable in any successful manner. Cell phone providers can't get people interested; portable mini-LCD DVD players spend more time on family room shelves than in-use.

I have a feeling this isn't about selling iPods. This is about proving that people will be interested in downloading video content through services like iTunes. What if it can hook up to your TV and act like a DVD player? What if iTunes starts having lots of good video content? This is just small part of a much bigger picture.

Re:Where's the market? (1)

Hogwash McFly (678207) | about 9 years ago | (#13722923)

iFlicks

Re:Where's the market? (1)

vertinox (846076) | about 9 years ago | (#13722989)

What if it can hook up to your TV and act like a DVD player?

What would be cooler if it used Airport wireless. Then you wouldn't even have to plug it up to the TV and transmit directly from the dock on your computer.

Re:Where's the market? (1)

jargoone (166102) | about 9 years ago | (#13723030)

Yeah... and then you'd have... a way to watch video on your computer!

Or... wait... have a receiver that you hook to the TV that could receive the wireless transmission from the iPod on the dock attached to your computer!

Seriously, what are you getting at here?

Re:Where's the market? (1)

vertinox (846076) | about 9 years ago | (#13723094)

Sorry didn't clarify. It almost sounds like I was saying transmit the signal directly to the TV anntennae.

Check this out:

http://www.apple.com/airportexpress/ [apple.com]

But it's only for audio as of now.

You basically use your airport wireless system as the base and then hook one of the airportexpress devices to your stereo system. It transmit audio from your computer/ipod to the stereo. It would pretty awesome if they did the same for Home Theater systems.

Re:Where's the market? (1)

mysqlrocks (783488) | about 9 years ago | (#13723070)

What would be cooler if it used Airport wireless.

I own an Airport. It would be cool if they'd built video streaming into it like you can with audio. It's probably because of bandwidth and buffering memory required. Also, the video processing requirements would make the device too expensive for people who really just want the streaming audio. The Airport has a decent size buffer for audio. If you force quit the streaming computer the Airport keeps playing for several seconds (maybe 5 or 10).

Re:Where's the market? (1)

soft_guy (534437) | about 9 years ago | (#13722844)

Music videos? Does MTV even play them anymore?

Yeah, what's up with that? How is it Music Television when there are just shows on there?

Re:Where's the market? (5, Funny)

syrinx (106469) | about 9 years ago | (#13722943)

Yeah, what's up with that? How is it Music Television when there are just shows on there?

Yeah, and I tried to buy a telegraph from AT&T the other day, but they said they don't do that anymore!

Re:Where's the market? (2, Funny)

Basehart (633304) | about 9 years ago | (#13723014)

You were lucky. I tried to buy some air from NASA the other day but they said they didn't have any!

Re:Where's the market? (1)

Fusen (841730) | about 9 years ago | (#13723013)

Ask MTV... *hint hint* Cribs?

Re:Where's the market? (1)

Sockatume (732728) | about 9 years ago | (#13722873)

I believe that Apple said the very same when they refuted Video iPod rumours just last week. Great minds, eh?

Re:Where's the market? (2, Insightful)

Morgalyn (605015) | about 9 years ago | (#13722874)

I think the market is in homebrew video. A large number of people use the photo iPods as their virtual expanding wallet of family photos. Just imagine being able to show Grandma a short video of that cute thing Junior did, without going to another room, setting up the tv and the VCR or the DVD player and then remembering the stuff and... well, you see?

The latest version of iTunes to come out added support for video podcasting, and with storage and bandwidth becoming less of a factor, I think we are going to see more and more people taking their blogs to the next step.. from text, to podcasts, to video podcasts.

Just because its an iPod doesn't mean it has to be music related.

Re:Where's the market? (4, Interesting)

Golias (176380) | about 9 years ago | (#13722881)

portable mini-LCD DVD players spend more time on family room shelves than in-use.

That might be true in the circles you are in, but business travellers and various other frequent-flyer types LOVE portable DVD players. Not only for passing time between flight connections, but for late evenings on the road when you don't feel like going out or trying to find something on the hotel TV.

Not to mention damn near every last grunt in Iraq. There's a lot of "down-time" involved in occupation efforts, and folks like us mailing DVD's out to them is one of their main sources of entertainment out there.

These groups of people would probably go bananas over a video iPod, if it was done right.

Re:Where's the market? (1)

alernon (91859) | about 9 years ago | (#13723001)

Maybe the circle of aquaintances you have are different, but all the business travellers I know have their laptops with them to play a DVD on. Bigger screen, and they have to take it with them on trips anyway. The really wired ones take not only a couple of DVDs but also a few shows from Tivo2Go with them. I don't know of one person who takes a portable DVD/PVR with them on business trips.

I don't know anything about soldiers, but I don't think basing a market on a few thousand (hopefully) temporary deployments would be a great idea.

Re:Where's the market? (1)

blurryrunner (524305) | about 9 years ago | (#13723043)

Those are all valid counter arguments, but I think that what you are talking about are still niche markets. How many people fly frequently? How many are stationed in Iraq that would actually buy it. Apple isn't interested in selling hundreds of thousands, but millions of what ever they make. I don't know how much profit potential they would see in these niche markets.

Re:Where's the market? (0)

Basehart (633304) | about 9 years ago | (#13723067)

"Not to mention damn near every last grunt in Iraq."

Iraq+iPod=Scratches

Re:Where's the market? (5, Insightful)

jargoone (166102) | about 9 years ago | (#13723071)

These groups of people would probably go bananas over a video iPod, if it was done right.

It was, [archos.com] , but it doesn't say Apple on it. Hence, no bananas.

Re:Where's the market? (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 9 years ago | (#13722897)

portable mini-LCD DVD players spend more time on family room shelves than in-use.

Wow, imagine that. Portable mini-LCD DVD players sit on the shelf for more than 12 hours per day. Certainly if they were successful, they would be used much more than that.

Re:Where's the market? (2, Insightful)

Darius Jedburgh (920018) | about 9 years ago | (#13722919)

Video is not portable in any successful manner.
Then why are people buying PSPs? I don't think it's for the games.

Re:Where's the market? (1)

Moby Cock (771358) | about 9 years ago | (#13722929)

There are a couple of companies in this market already. Apple is not trying to create the market as you say. They are competing in it. The PSP is a portable video player. It seems to me that Apple is trying to use widespead acceptance of iTunes as a way of getting a leg-up in this market. The PSP has those stupid (I forget the format) disks that you have to buy in a store (or at least order on-line). With a video iPod it will all be downloaded content.

Re:Where's the market? (5, Insightful)

CameraChimera (835399) | about 9 years ago | (#13722930)

Not portable? I'm inclined to agree, but then why are PSP movie sales through [mp3newswire.net] the [geek.com] roof [usatoday.com] ? It seems that a market already exists.

If Apple can match the PSP's screen quality and beat its ease of use (by making movies downloadable, perhaps) they might have something.

Re:Where's the market? (2, Insightful)

nine-times (778537) | about 9 years ago | (#13722951)

Video is not portable in any successful manner. Cell phone providers can't get people interested;

Oh, so... since cell phone providers can't get people interested in their crappy, poorly designed, expensive portable video, no one else should attempt such a thing, even if it becomes technologically trivial?

Why not allow video playback on the iPod? They already have a color screen, and enough hard drive space to store several movies. It's not like it'd take much to allow video playback.

Of course, if they add a good video decoding chip, a bigger screen, and a longer lasting battery, it'd make it more practical to play video, but it isn't as though playing a movie requires Apple to design a completely new device.

Re:Where's the market? (1)

Brown Eggs (650559) | about 9 years ago | (#13722956)

I don't know about anyone else, but I frequently watch re-encoded/compressed movies on my pda (a 2 hour movie takes up about 256 MB on a CF card). They look great, the sound is great, and I don't have to worry about carrying DVDs. The only downside is the size of the PDA and the capacity of the CF cards. Both seem to be addressed in the new apple device, if the specs are true. Put me down for one

Re:Where's the market? (1)

thebdj (768618) | about 9 years ago | (#13722969)

Well cell phone providers can't get people interested because the cell phone screens are not high res, there is not mass storage on a cell phone, and Verizon charges $15 a month for V-Cast which is a bit nuts.

Those portable DVD players you talk about, are HUGE in areas with commuter trains. I see them every day on my ride into DC and I am sure trains from Conn to NY and into Chicago also see them. Trust me commuters and freq. travelers love this things.

Are you saying that there isn't a market for videos? There are tons of P2P videos transferred, and not always the latest pirated movie either. TV Shows that are on cable or on the smaller broadcast networks become frequents. So do shows like Family Guy and other popular network shows. Check out a torrent site if you find one. Some of the best seeded items are for videos and not for MP3s. Would I rip my whole movie collection for one of these? Probably not, but I would consider legitimate downloads of some programming, especially if no DVD available content (God I want Whose Line on DVD) exist.

Seriously, a device like this could have potential and begin to change the way video content is presented, and might help the MPAA solve their slumping money issues a bit.

Re:Where's the market? (1)

Pxtl (151020) | about 9 years ago | (#13722999)

Amen. Video will be portable when VR becomes popular, or Star Wars-style floating screens become popular. Possibly a tiny personal projector would work for a portable movie player, but you'd still need a flat white surface (not a lot of those on transportation vehicles) and they tend to be really, really hot.

If there were some sort of standard wireless interface for TVs, this could work - you'd just hook in. But plugging into RCA jacks is probably too much of a PITA for most users. Still, that would be my most likely prediction for a movie-pod - a 3x4 screen with RCA jacks to plug it into TV.

The big reason I don't see Apple trying this is that personal movie player's aren't really taking off. The only ones that are taking off are the larger-screened portable DVD players for travellers. Not smaller, pod-sized devices. Since you can't scratch the screen, the device pretty much has to be folding, so there's no reason not to put a DVD drive in one - it's not like pods that are way larger than CDs.

So I imagine that's all a video-iPod would be - a normal, vanilla portable-DVD player with a hard disk and QuickTime support.

At that point, you're halfway to an iBook. May as well get a laptop.

So I don't see apple releasing such a device.

Re:Where's the market? (2, Funny)

billdcon (911566) | about 9 years ago | (#13723017)

To me, the market is the same market that drove the growth in VCRs - porn. I'm not being facetious when I say A LOT of hairy-palmed guys are gonna snatch this device up load it with A) 10MB of family pictures B) 59.99 GB of downloads from alt.binaries.multimedia.erotica. Forget the problem with scratched screens - let's just hope the damn thing is waterproof.

Re:Where's the market? (1)

GaelTadh (916987) | about 9 years ago | (#13723021)

Portable video has demonstratably taken off. UMD movie sales for the PSP are taking off like wildfire [pspworld.com] and they are just a shadow of whats to come [pspworld.com] .
A video ipod that connected to the home pvrs would do well in this market and if there were some way of getting the umd videos onto it as well it'll explode.

Re:Where's the market? (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 9 years ago | (#13723025)

I recall some article that indicated the hard drives used in iPods weren't designed to handle continuous read/write access. It's fine for music, because you only have to access small chuncks of data and load them into memory. Video, on the other hand, needs much more constant data access.

This article I'm thinking of said that, if you continually access the average iPod hard drive, the lifetime of the drive is measured in DAYS, not YEARS. Add in all the arguments about portable video not being as useful as portable audio, and I think it's more likely that you're looking at a form factor change on the standard color iPod.

If I'm wrong, and they DO introduce a video iPod, well... color me impressed.

Re:Where's the market? (2, Insightful)

bheer (633842) | about 9 years ago | (#13723058)

> Who trades videos over P2P or buys video DVDs from Borders, Wal-Mart or Amazon?

dada21, you luddite, go check out torrentspy.com. The video trading scene mostly uses BitTorrent and eMule, and it is VERY vibrant. The only thing holding it back is that you need obscure codecs to play the files (not a problem on PCs but a real problem on devices). The situation with video today is EXACTLY like the situation after Napster went under.

As for who buys DVDs from Amazon etc -- lots of people do. And boxset sales have made sure that the portable DVD player has become a serious vacation accessory.

As for TV: 2006 is going to be the year of digital on-demand tv (streamed or streamed+cached). ADSL2 is getting more common, even in bandwidth backwaters like the UK (see previous BBC/digital TV story). Yahoo, Microsoft and Google are all getting into the game and more and more TV studios are seeing the writing on the wall -- their libraries of old programs can be endlessly monetized by streaming them over the internet. In a world where customers connect at 10Mbps+, it'd be stupid not to do it.

Video blogs and DIY video is probably the least important of the applications of a portable video player.

> Video iPod is trying to invent a market boom.

There was no 'boom' for MP3 players before the iPod either, unless you count geeks. iPod+iTMS made the MP3 player chic enough for Joe Public to want one. If Apple doesn't do the same for video, someone else will.

The only valid problem about portable video is that watching video takes up your full attention. But lots of people who play games on their cellphones on the subway -- I'm sure they wouldn't mind watching video.

Re:Where's the market? (2, Interesting)

UlfJack (868219) | about 9 years ago | (#13723095)

You forget to take two things into account:

1. If you could get an iPod with video capability and at a only slightly higher price point, would you?

2. If iTunes starts having video content (like music videos), a portable video player doesn't sound so bad after all.

Well... (5, Funny)

Avyakata (825132) | about 9 years ago | (#13722825)

There's kind of a way to do that now...if you put a bunch of frames in and scroll...but, well...this would be a lot more convenient.

iTunes Music Videos (1, Interesting)

Anonymous Coward | about 9 years ago | (#13722833)

I noticed lately that Apple hasn't added many videos under the "Music Videos" section in iTunes. This does tend to look that they may start selling them instead of letting people stream them for free.

Re:iTunes Music Videos (1)

morndry (915357) | about 9 years ago | (#13722965)

or maybe they realized that people are downloading them [uneasynetwork.com] insted of just streaming them.

But... (1, Funny)

snowwrestler (896305) | about 9 years ago | (#13722837)

will it still be stuck with iTunes [slashdot.org] ??

Good thing I'm holding onto my reciept (2, Interesting)

Dark Paladin (116525) | about 9 years ago | (#13722840)

Yes, I'd have to eat "10% of the purchase price in restocking fees", but I just got a 60 GB iPod two weeks ago.

The video side on the iPod side doesn't interest me near as much as the outport system - I'd love to be able to hook it to my TV, archive all of my DVD's to the computer (something I was planning on doing anyway, as I have young children who, though they mean well, tend to dirty the DVD's a bit, and already ruined one copy of Toy Story). Then I can just transfer movie to iPod, put iPod in other room, and have every movie at my fingertips, and my DVD's stay perfectly pristine.

Granted, this is still a rumor, and I'll take it with a grain of salt until I see product in the store - but if they do make the announcement, I'll still have another 11 days on the return policy (maybe I'll just have to "borrow" my wife's iPod Mini for a week or two - I think some groveling will be in order).

Duhhhh (1)

Dark Paladin (116525) | about 9 years ago | (#13722871)

Sorry to reply to myself - it's 14 days, not 30. I'm already screwed (sigh).

Re:Good thing I'm holding onto my reciept (1)

grasshoppa (657393) | about 9 years ago | (#13722909)

I can save you some money. Get a dvd drive. Then, download dvd-decrypter.

Problem solved.

Re:Good thing I'm holding onto my reciept (1)

iamhassi (659463) | about 9 years ago | (#13723062)

" Then I can just transfer movie to iPod, put iPod in other room, and have every movie at my fingertips, and my DVD's stay perfectly pristine."

hmmmmm... i'd imagine new iTunes software could have a dvd-ripper included, after all they have cd ripping software now. Hope they use the XviD codec... wait, they're Apple, probably rip the DVD and encode it in Quicktime so you can have "100 DVDs in the palm of your hand" if the movies compress as well as they do with DivX, with 2 hour movies fitting on 700 mB CDs, shouldnt have a problem fitting 100 DVDs on 60 gigs.

wonder how they'll get around encryption without breaking DCMA? They're Apple, they'll find a way.

Apple Vpod announcement (1)

Matey-O (518004) | about 9 years ago | (#13722842)

Must be a new fiscal quarter.

Really, I wish they WOULD release one, just so we don't have to go through the same reasons for/against one again.

yes (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 9 years ago | (#13722846)

just like google office?

News? More like speculation. (3, Funny)

jmcmunn (307798) | about 9 years ago | (#13722856)


"Slashdot, Speculation For Nerds." I am going to get a copyright on that.

Re:News? More like speculation. (1)

databyss (586137) | about 9 years ago | (#13722987)

you just did.

Re:News? More like speculation. (1)

minus_273 (174041) | about 9 years ago | (#13723038)

no no this is Slashdot you are supposed to say you are going to PATENT it.

More woes for copyright infringement? (1)

Null537 (772236) | about 9 years ago | (#13722857)

Oh great, something else for the **AA to complain about.


Now lets see if I can compress X-Files episodes enough to fit on it, or better yet, just buy a PSP.

Still not sure it's a good idea (4, Insightful)

mblase (200735) | about 9 years ago | (#13722877)

Would a larger screen on an iPod-sized device really make it any easier to watch video on it? No matter how you design things, it's a tiny tiny display.

Say you make it taller than it is wide and rotate it ninety degrees to view video. Then you're 2" tall, but still only about 2.7" wide, giving you a whopping 3.3" diagonal, up from 2.5" on the current iPod.

Video out support is good, but you're pushing that tiny hard drive pretty hard whether you're driving the iPod's screen or not. Apple would have to do some very impressive tricks with the battery life to make a video iPod practical.

From everything I've been reading, video support on the current iPod is just a firmware upgrade away. But I'm not convinced it's something users are going to be able to use well, even if it is just restricted to music videos.

Hopefully AppleInsider's barking up the wrong tree.

Re:Still not sure it's a good idea (2)

Golias (176380) | about 9 years ago | (#13722954)

Would a larger screen on an iPod-sized device really make it any easier to watch video on it? No matter how you design things, it's a tiny tiny display.

Have any family photos in your wallet? How big are they?

A TV screen that small is probably not as unwatchable as you think, given current LCD technology. If people can enjoy playing games on a small hand-held device, they can probably also enjoy watching archives of "CSI" (or whatever) using headphones and a 2" x 3" screen.

Re:Still not sure it's a good idea (2, Funny)

sg3000 (87992) | about 9 years ago | (#13722996)

> Say you make it taller than it is wide and rotate it ninety degrees to view video. Then you're 2"
> tall, but still only about 2.7" wide, giving you a whopping 3.3" diagonal, up from 2.5" on the
> current iPod.

You're too critical!

Look, if I were 2" tall, I'd love to watch TV on a 3.3" screen! I'd even put up with the 2.5" screen. Imagine a screen bigger than you are-- it would be like your own personal cinema!

Of course, if I were 2" tall and 2.7" wide as you suggest, I'd have plenty of free time to watch TV because no one would want to hang around with a horribly obese person such as myself.

I hope its a new PowerBook (1, Offtopic)

soft_guy (534437) | about 9 years ago | (#13722885)

I've been waiting a long time for a PowerBook at G5 speeds. Maybe this will be an Intel PowerBook.

(Unlikely, since they said it would be Janruary before Intel Macs come out, but it would be nice.)

it better play more video formats and codecs... (2, Insightful)

Khyron (8855) | about 9 years ago | (#13722886)

All I can say is if this is true, it better play more video container and codec combinations then Quicktime Player does otherwise it will be terribly limited. Unlike a Mac running OS X, users would not be able to trivially add codecs or install programs like VLC or MPlayer on an iPod as they are forced to do on a Mac in order to watch most "modern" commonly used codecs and container formats.

Hey baby! (3, Funny)

vertinox (846076) | about 9 years ago | (#13722893)

I can see it now: "Is that porn in your pocket or are you just happy to see me?"

Re:Hey baby! (2, Funny)

Hogwash McFly (678207) | about 9 years ago | (#13722976)

Is that porn in your pocket or are you just happy to see me?

I'm just happy to see the porn in my pocket.

Bound to happen. (4, Insightful)

blackmonday (607916) | about 9 years ago | (#13722898)

I watched 2 movies on my iPaq on a flight from LA to Paris. It was actually very nice. I have only 1 GB of storage, but that fits 2 divx movies perfectly.

I doubt that Apple will support divx, using H.264 instead. My question, who has compared these formats in a 500 MB size limit? Will Apple give you a utility to convert your DVDs? (probably not). Also, the question of battery life is important. An SD card doesn't spin inside. That hard drive on the iPod is going to burn a lot of battery power, and get hot to the touch.

The video iPod is inevitable. My questions are mainly to how we will fill them without an Apple Movie Store. I would expect the release of this iPod to coincide with the release of a movie store.

Re:Bound to happen. (1)

GoRK (10018) | about 9 years ago | (#13723086)

At the price point of these devices anyway, an extra 512MB of ram is not really going to make or break a sale and it'd do a heck of a lot for battery life for playing video. If you can cache an entire movie into RAM (the HDD can read it in like 20 seconds) you are not particularly at a disadvantage. Spinning the drive up initially is the real battery killer; keeping it spinning is easier. I'd imagine that the total power used by the hard drive over the course of watching movie for an hour vs listening to music for an hour is about the same.

Who's buying this? (1)

mwissel (869864) | about 9 years ago | (#13722900)

I mean.. If you have the latest generations of high-end electronic gadgets, you have like 2 devices with a camera, 3 with the ability to play videos and mp3s, and all of them except one, that is specialized for it, can do most things not very good, tends to be the same with the things they were build for. E.g. a cellphone that has a too large display for convenient phoning, or a mp3player that fills my pocket and has a low battery lifetime. And they're expensive as hell, too :( What we need is either cheap pocket pcs, or the good ole' times, when a cellphone was there for phoning, and a music player for listening music, instead of a 2megapixel camera and a colourful display for a barely good use.

Not a video iPod, but iFlicks. (2, Interesting)

Anonymous Coward | about 9 years ago | (#13722901)

... okay, it's just speculation on what will be announced, but hey, Cringe agrees with it!

http://vodkapundit.com/archives/008158.php [vodkapundit.com]

Quote: "Most observers are predicting a "video iPod" that will play back video on a hand-sized device. Not me. I'm predicting not a video iPod, but rather an "iFlicks" service (they may or may not use that name) enabled by a new Airport-Express-on-steroids wireless widget with a video out, as well as a snazzy Apple remote control (perhaps looking something like this) for iTunes and iFlicks.

All this will enable Mac G5 owners to download high-resolution (but not HD, not yet) movies from Apple to their hard drives and play them back on televisions in another part of the house..."

Impossibly Huge (1)

Mr.Progressive (812475) | about 9 years ago | (#13722903)

The video iPod won't really use a G5, will it?

Who knows (5, Interesting)

Anonymous Coward | about 9 years ago | (#13722906)

The rumours about a video-out enabled Airport base-station and video download capability in iTunes are more interesting - the ability to use the iTunes as a download centre for Video On Demand streamed to your TV strikes me as a potentially bigger market than for video on the go.

However, given that many of the movie studios are linked to the same record companies 'fighting' with Apple at the moment makes you wonder where the content would come from.

Think Secret are usually correct though.

Maybe they're finally launching 'Asteroid'

Just Plain Annoying (1)

SethEaston (920552) | about 9 years ago | (#13722910)

Just my opinion: Portable video devices are annoying. Trying to watch video on a small, low-res screen hurts my eyes and is just not worth the expense, trouble, or time. I have a Palm device with a pretty decently sized screen, on which I've loaded MPG videos (from a 1-gig SD card). It's just not fun quinting at a screen that small to try and enjoy a movie or other clip. Perhaps kids think PSP videos are cool, but I'm not sure how "grown ups" will take to it, and iPod video is just a direct competition to PSP.

This has to have some sort of VIDEO OUT (2, Insightful)

4what4 (196829) | about 9 years ago | (#13722912)

if this doesn't have video out, I don't see the point. I don't want to watch any show or clip of a show on my ipod. I am sure there are a lot of other people who are the same.

but,

if it did have vdeo out of some sort, it would be really attractive. I would buy a show through apple (h264 would be awsome), load it onto an ipod and play it on a tv at my convience, hd output of some sort would be a plus.

Re:This has to have some sort of VIDEO OUT (2, Informative)

8127972 (73495) | about 9 years ago | (#13722925)

iPod Photo models had a video out cable. Assuming that this is true, they'd likely recycle that.

mvp_media@apple.com (1)

bleaknik (780571) | about 9 years ago | (#13722920)

Ok, on the picture of the Invite, it reads... "RSVP to mvp_media@apple.com". At least, that is what it looks like. Is it just me, or does someone need to learn to use photoshop a little better?...

Re:mvp_media@apple.com (1)

QuijiboIsAWord (715586) | about 9 years ago | (#13723069)

Actually, I think it says rsvp_media@apple.com, which would actually make sense.

more accessories (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 9 years ago | (#13722931)

I just hope that it has RCA output on it so a USB dongle isn't necessary to take around every time you want to watch it on a TV. Too bad this is just going to be a huge opportunity for apple to market another 5000 accessories.

Please, we all know the real question (0, Offtopic)

TheWart (700842) | about 9 years ago | (#13722937)

But does it run Google Office?

:)

Quartly Results Should Be Fun! (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 9 years ago | (#13722949)

Ever since IBM dumped Apple as a customer, the Mac crazies have been desperately claiming there would be no tanking of PPC Mac sales.

Yeah, right.

Here comes the pain. Jobs better pray the iPod/iTMS stuff stays hip enough to support the company. Or else he is going to be selling sugar water or Kool Aid for real.

Just a glimps of how bad the revenue tankage is going to be over the next year to two is the reports of Apple begging Intel to give them next year's chips ealier than the rest of the x86 OEMs. So much for the fantastic Intel 'Roadmap' that the remaining Mac loonies keep chirping about is going to save the Mac hardware.

Welcome to Reality Stevieboy!

Re:Quartly Results Should Be Fun! (-1)

Anonymous Coward | about 9 years ago | (#13723012)

Apple. Going out of business since 1984.

It never gets old, just like trolls (:

Only quicktime I bet. (1)

changa (197280) | about 9 years ago | (#13722952)


Wake me if it supports Divx and Xvid.

The marketing slogan for the video iPod.... (1, Redundant)

8127972 (73495) | about 9 years ago | (#13722955)

..... "1000 Porn movies in your pocket"

Will It Come With Standard Accessories? (-1, Flamebait)

Evil W1zard (832703) | about 9 years ago | (#13722967)

Like a cracked screen and an internal battery that dies in under a year's time?

I'll wait for immersive glasses (2)

reece (61286) | about 9 years ago | (#13722968)

I'll get a portable video player when it outputs to totally immersive glasses. I just hope I don't get mugged while being totally immersed. :) http://www.i-glassesstore.com/hmds.html [i-glassesstore.com]

How? (1)

BJZQ8 (644168) | about 9 years ago | (#13722973)

How are people going to look cool without blazing white earbuds?

Re:How? (0)

murr (214674) | about 9 years ago | (#13723047)

There's always blazing white eyepatches.

Re:How? (1)

Fusen (841730) | about 9 years ago | (#13723061)

All current PMP's use earphones as basically their prime method of letting the user listen to the movie... so why would Apple not include headphones again?

For Everyone Asking Why.... (1)

Jipster (894511) | about 9 years ago | (#13723026)

I ask, why not? iPods are already sporting color screens, video-out capability, and hard drives bigger than some computers, it would be a snap to give them video playback. If the concept doesn't take off, big whoop: Apple's already got the technology in place to support it and support it well, and if it doesn't go anywhere it's no big loss. And there's content out there, though it definitely needs to be made more organized and accessible. But, hey, if anyone can make it happen it's Apple, considering how entrenched they are in the MP3 player market: the way podcasting picked up when iTMS and iTunes officially supported it, you would have thought the technology had just been invented. So yeah, makes sense to me.

I don't know... (1)

kollivier (449524) | about 9 years ago | (#13723034)

Far be it for me to engage in Apple speculation, but... :-)

If you look at AppleInsider's next article, with the actual invitation card, the background looks like a theater curtain. I think they're going to beat TiVo, etc. to the punch and introduce an online movie store. Burn to DVD, or stream using a new AirPort Express Base Station with video out. (Rumors about vPods have been rampant for months, perhaps years, but this AirPort Express Base Station w/video out rumor just popped out of nowhere a week before release. And who is really going to buy one of those to play music videos or short clips? Hmmm...)

Of course, there maybe a video iPod or somethig like it that you can download the movies to as well. IMHO, a video iPod that just plays music videos and short cliips is really not the kind of thing that's going to cause a bunch of people to rush out and buy one, and I think Jobs knows that. Well, one week to go... :)

that doesn't add up... (1)

excalibur313 (920557) | about 9 years ago | (#13723035)

Why would they want to cannibalize their nano sales by releasing a new type of ipod so soon? That isn't apple's style. I think what's more likely is that they will release powerbook and powermac updates as their last update before the intel macs (a double entendre of "One more thing...").

If I were Apple... (1)

Jpauls104 (650945) | about 9 years ago | (#13723046)

1. I would have money (college student) 2. I would offer movies compressed and scaled down for a 3 inch screen. They could be the same size as an mp3. I would bite for something like that. Most movies can be watched in theater, the others can be with me at school while I'm bored between classes. I would even want movies for my iPod nano via an update. How many others are waiting for their iPod order to be 'processed'. I ordered mine 9/30/05, its been 4 business days thus far just for processing.

Content? Movie trailers and news? (1)

pbooktebo (699003) | about 9 years ago | (#13723055)

I can't imagine how people would want a device like this. However, maybe iTunes will end up having a Podcast-style interface for video. I can imagine setting preferences so that your computer will download free (maybe with commercials up front) news snippets, sports highlights, and movie trailers (music videos also come to mind, but I'd not be interested).

I'd love to be able to watch short minutes of video while commuting or waiting around. I'd love set iTunes to automatically download all the independent movie trailers, along with local showtimes, giving me a constantly up-to-date set of video clips with not effort to maintain them. I can't imagine wanting to watch a movie on such a small screen. Then again, none of the iPod innovations have made sense to me until I saw them in person (I thought the Mini was horrible, then I saw one and it made perfect sense. Same with the Nano, manufacturing issues aside).

What else would play well on a video iPod?

Apple hypocrisy (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 9 years ago | (#13723068)

Everyone should remember that earlier Apple was scoffing at Microsoft's Portable Media Players, saying there was no market for portable devices that displayed pictures or played back video.

Not sure, but... (3, Interesting)

doughrama (172715) | about 9 years ago | (#13723083)

Obviously I'm not sure what Apple's going to announce but I don't think it's going to be a video iPod. Here's a thought. I think Apple (as I've said before in a previous post/story)is going to introduce a Tivo like devices that hooks into the network and allows you to rent/download movies. (something that you might envision if/when tivo and netflix get rolling together)

My suspicions are even stronger now that this "invite" has gone out. I think it's fairly obvious that a movie download service is a natural fit/extension for Apple given the success of ITMS. Yesterday or the day before I read a couple of articles where some big movie execs (or mpaa or somebody) were saying that they were going to enter the movie download market before the end of the year.

The invitation itself does leave a couple of clues (I think.) The first hint is "one more thing..." Steve's opening line before announcing his big plan. To me that means that Apple's going to announce something big. Not: We've said that video for the iPod is stupid, but "Oh yeah, one more thing... It's a video iPod! TAH DAH!!!! it's the greatest thing ever!" Of coarse, Steve Job's could invoke his RSF and make my claim a reality rather than a silly musing.

The next clue is the curtains in the invitation. To me those look like the old movie theater curtains they used to use (and maybe still use.) Dunno, but I can't imagine that they would be using theater curtains because somebody in the art department thought it would make a nifty background for "one more thing." But maybe.

Lastly, I don't believe that refreshed computers (desktops or laptops) would be enough of a reason to setup an invitation only press event. Well it could be G5 powerbooks, but I doubt that.

So my offical guess is a Apple branded DVR that hooks into a Apple movie service similar to ITMS.

But (2, Funny)

microcars (708223) | about 9 years ago | (#13723089)

will I be able to watch my hand-made paper Flipbooks on it?

Call me a Luddite, but if Flipbook support is not there, I'm not opening my wallet.

except to watch my credit cards flip back and forth...flipflipflipflipflipflipflipflipflip.....

heh... (1)

Gizmoguy (818250) | about 9 years ago | (#13723099)

2 days before my birthday! Anyway, what about the Creative Zen Vision, a fine piece of machinery, none the less, which is more than what the iPod Video is expected to be. It's screen will be smaller than the Zen Vision, it won't have all the extras the Zen Vision has, i.e. built-in mic, personal organiser, etc. and it's going to be more expensive. I mean, sure, twice the storage, but 30 gigs is more than enough. Why bother paying more for something that isn't as good just because it's new?

My humble guess (1)

doughrama (172715) | about 9 years ago | (#13723103)

Obviously I'm not sure what Apple's going to announce but I don't think it's going to be a video iPod. Here's a thought. I think Apple (as I've said before in a previous post/story)is going to introduce a Tivo like devices that hooks into the network and allows you to rent/download movies. (something that you might envision if/when tivo and netflix get rolling together)

My suspicions are even stronger now that this "invite" has gone out. I think it's fairly obvious that a movie download service is a natural fit/extension for Apple given the success of ITMS. Yesterday or the day before I read a couple of articles where some big movie execs (or mpaa or somebody) were saying that they were going to enter the movie download market before the end of the year.

The invitation itself does leave a couple of clues (I think.) The first hint is "one more thing..." Steve's opening line before announcing his big plan. To me that means that Apple's going to announce something big. Not: We've said that video for the iPod is stupid, but "Oh yeah, one more thing... It's a video iPod! TAH DAH!!!! it's the greatest thing ever!" Of coarse, Steve Job's could invoke his RSF and make my spoof a reality rather than a silly musing.

The next clue is the curtains in the invitation. To me those look like the old movie theater curtains they used to use (and maybe still use.) Dunno, but I can't imagine that they would be using theater curtains because somebody in the art department thought it would make a nifty background for "one more thing." But maybe.

Lastly, I don't believe that refreshed computers (desktops or laptops) would be enough of a reason to setup an invitation only press event. Well it could be G5 powerbooks, but I doubt that.

So my offical guess is a Apple branded DVR that hooks into a Apple movie service similar to ITMS.
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