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HBO Attacking BitTorrent

CowboyNeal posted more than 8 years ago | from the hand-that-feeds dept.

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DIY News writes "HBO is actively poisoning the BitTorrent downloads of the new show Rome. In addition to an older tactic of offering bogus downloads that never complete, HBO is now obstructing the downloads offered by other people. HBO runs peers that tell the tracker they have all the chunks of the show, but then send garbage data when a downloader requests a chunk. While the bogus peers can be detected, it will take much longer to download shows."

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GNAA Announces Corporate Downsizing (-1, Troll)

Anonymous Coward | more than 8 years ago | (#13736671)

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Re:GNAA Announces Corporate Downsizing (1)

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That's Funny (5, Funny)

mommywheresdaddy (901772) | more than 8 years ago | (#13736675)

Rome is actively poisoning my HBO. What a craptacular waste of programming.

give it time (5, Funny)

r2tincan (893666) | more than 8 years ago | (#13736706)

rome wasn't built in a few shows

Thankfully (4, Interesting)

kaosrain (543532) | more than 8 years ago | (#13736677)

Closed registration torrent sites will be able to weed out the poisoners.

Torrents& Registration sucks! Newsgroups rule! (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 8 years ago | (#13736849)

First of all, the quality torrent is the rare torrent. Quality is the exception to the rule when it comes to torrents. I'm sick and tired of things being compressed to crap for the sake of bandwidth, or being stuffed inside some .exe with a crapload of spyware and God knows what else. I'm also sick and tired of having to wait two weeks for something to download, and finding I've only downloaded maybe 3GB, when I've uploaded 90. Fuck that. I'm sticking to the Use. Sure, a lot of it came originally from some torrent, but at least it filters out the crap, and it never takes more than a few hours to download something of quality.

I'll show HBO (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 8 years ago | (#13736679)

I'll only pirate Showtime shows!!! Yeah, that'll teach em.

You must pay for content! (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 8 years ago | (#13736680)

Pay for content! You are all hippie theives.

Back when hackers ruled the net (2, Insightful)

QuantumG (50515) | more than 8 years ago | (#13736682)

These people would have been owned and disconnected within hours of this being discovered. With the changing of the guard, so too does the changing of morality.

Re:Back when hackers ruled the net (2, Insightful)

mfh (56) | more than 8 years ago | (#13736731)

Let HBO use black-hat tactics if they want. It won't save their ratings, and it certainly won't improve their public image. Someone is going to be fired over this, I think.

Pseudonymity (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 8 years ago | (#13736770)

Groups can release stuff on bittorrent and sign their work digitally. So you would simply get a groups signed catalog and get signed stuff from that. No worrying about accidental poisonin of wrong files by vigilantes and totalitarian governments out to censor. The system will be reputation based, sort of how it was better to get a warez from a reputable group like Razor or APC etc. back in the day. And you knew Phrozen Crew or UCF cracks would work properly.

Reputation of groups should by out of band such as word of mouth, not by the vouching crap people are proposing which requires too much bandwidth, susceptible to astroturing, and other crap.

I suppose infrastructue doesnt exist ot implement pseudonymity/anonymity yet. It's an intractable problem after all.

Re:Back when hackers ruled the net (-1, Flamebait)

Anonymous Coward | more than 8 years ago | (#13736892)

what the fuck are you babbling about?

the internet was never that way. it was always filled with lamers.

why does remembering the good ole days suddenly change people memories into a whistful wonderful time when the reality was quite different

Re:Back when hackers ruled the net (0, Troll)

XFilesFMDS1013 (830724) | more than 8 years ago | (#13736904)

Hey, it's the Republican way to do things.

Re:Back when hackers ruled the net (1, Flamebait)

QuantumG (50515) | more than 8 years ago | (#13736907)

Have you considered that maybe you just hung out with pussies?

ip baning? (1)

ZiakII (829432) | more than 8 years ago | (#13736683)

So why can't the client once it realizes that the data is false stop downloading from that source?

Re:ip baning? (1)

AsiNisiMasa (910721) | more than 8 years ago | (#13736699)

They probably hadn't expected this to happen or at least that it wouldn't be common. I'm sure they'll implement a feature like this soon enough.

Re:ip baning? (1)

eMartin (210973) | more than 8 years ago | (#13736702)

Some do.

Re:ip baning? (1)

_KiTA_ (241027) | more than 8 years ago | (#13736893)

Most do. The problem is that it still takes time to ban all of them, and if HBO is hiring some of those white hat idiot script kiddies to do this for them, they probably have a few hundred IPs to come from.

Quid novi? (2, Funny)

XXIstCenturyBoy (617054) | more than 8 years ago | (#13736685)

Abusus non tollit usum. /There I said it!

Re:Quid novi? (1)

$RANDOMLUSER (804576) | more than 8 years ago | (#13736826)

"Abusus non tollit usum" == "Wrong use does not preclude proper use".

Interesting. Not sure what it's supposed to mean, but interesting. Is this one of those Latin phrases that has a long-standing legal meaning? Like "per stirpes"?

Pure BS (4, Informative)

FS1 (636716) | more than 8 years ago | (#13736686)

Most modern Bittorrent clients will recognize that a peer is spewing garbage chunks, and snub them. Usually the trigger to snub is as little as 3 bad chunks.

So the whole idea that this will significantly increase download times is complete BullShit!

Re:Pure BS (1)

Frogbert (589961) | more than 8 years ago | (#13736757)

Well if you get 100 fake clients then that becomes 300 chunks. And that is a non-significant glob of data you will need to download.

Re:Pure BS (1)

lawpoop (604919) | more than 8 years ago | (#13736785)

*You* won't download 300 fake chunks, the entire swarm will. So the 'damage' is spread out over the network. Once a participants delivers three bad chunks to anyone on the network, they are blacklisted and get no new referrals. They are essentially shut out at that point -- that IP is now useless for that torrent.

In short, it seems a relatively futile attack. You would have to have a very large zombie net in order to swamp a torrent, so to speak.

Re:Pure BS (3, Funny)

whiteranger99x (235024) | more than 8 years ago | (#13736806)

So the whole idea that this will significantly increase download times is complete BullShit!

No dude, that's on showtime [sho.com]

Re:Pure BS (5, Informative)

Orcish_Rodent (665783) | more than 8 years ago | (#13736807)

False, as they are using a very large range of IP addresses the clients internal blocking will not help.

It seems to work based on haveing a lot of crap spitting clients connect to the tracker which claim 50-92% complete and then start spewing data to who ever they can. The connecting clients will receive data at about 1/2 kBps. Receiveing 3 bad chunks to ban a ip only to connect to another bad ip will slow you down considerably. Typical torrent has 5000-10000 chunks assumming they have 3000 ip's (easy) thats 9000 bad chunks of bad data they can send doubleing the download time. FYI all ips are in the range 70.85.*.*

azereus! (5, Informative)

blackomegax (807080) | more than 8 years ago | (#13736690)

azereus has this nifty little feature that blocks the IP of any client that sends more than 2 or 3 corrupt blocks of info.

Re:azereus! (3, Informative)

Anonymous Coward | more than 8 years ago | (#13736740)

Come on, spell the name right at least. It's AZUREUS.

And a link. http://azureus.sourceforge.net/ [sourceforge.net] Note, it's a Java Bittorrent client.. so all those people that are allergic to Java might want to avoid it.

bittorrent dos? (1)

morfiend (641239) | more than 8 years ago | (#13736692)

I ran a very small BitTorrent tracker for distributing our videos. (2 torrents, very few clients) A few weeks ago we started receiving a massive attack, mostly from client addresses in Asia. The attack wasn't a DDoS per se - they were just "hijacking" my tracker by using it for their own torrents. But the volume of traffic (>100 requests/sec) had the effect of a DoS attack. I was surprised that the standard BitTorrent server does not have some way to prevent unwanted torrents from appearing on your tracker. I was also surprised that my "small-time" tracker (only named by via 1 web page) attracted such a hijacking. I will not run a tracker without the ability to deny usage to unwanted torrents. Although I'm uncertain about running any tracker at all now, since the hijack basically killed our internet connection. At the very least, do not run a BitTorrent tracker on a critical DNS name like your primary web site. The attacking clients in my case were all performing DNS lookups. (I could tell they were attacking a DNS name, not an IP address, by changing my DNS entries). Luckily I had used a separate DNS entry for the tracker, so I just pointed it to 127.0.0.1 to stop the attack. But if I had used my primary web server's address, I'd be in real trouble.

f1rst p0st (-1, Troll)

Anonymous Coward | more than 8 years ago | (#13736693)

lolz

This is outrageous!!! (1)

SpanishInquisition (127269) | more than 8 years ago | (#13736701)

so immoral!

Cease and Desist orders too (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 8 years ago | (#13736707)

they (media sentry really) also sends a C&D letter to your bandwidth provider (say, time warner cable). Which really get's annoying. While I no longer d/l HBO shows online, I'm still debating if I even want to continue my HBO HD subscription (currently leaning towards no)

this message is brought to you by HBO (3, Funny)

Anonymous Coward | more than 8 years ago | (#13736710)

svefg cbfg

Good and Good. (5, Insightful)

Anonymous Coward | more than 8 years ago | (#13736712)

Good for HBO. They have every right to protect their legitimate revenue stream. If we think we can send whatever sequence bytes we want over the p2p networks, I say we extend the same freedom to the fine people at HBO.

At the same time, this is also good for p2p software. I'm sure it will only result in better algorithms for dealing with tainted peers.

TiVo (5, Interesting)

CaptainPinko (753849) | more than 8 years ago | (#13736718)

I use torrents instead of the TiVo I don't own. I've got fully legit paid for HBO but lately I've been too busy to watch Rome so I've just been d/l-ing them. I wonder how that falls under fair-use?

Re:TiVo (1)

Frogbert (589961) | more than 8 years ago | (#13736769)

What I don't get is that they could just put the program they created up on the net with ads attached. That way they get to show their ads to many people and people who otherwise couldn't get their show can watch it.

Re:TiVo (1)

Dahamma (304068) | more than 8 years ago | (#13736814)

Except HBO makes their money by a monthly subscription and not advertising...

Re:TiVo (4, Informative)

slashdotnickname (882178) | more than 8 years ago | (#13736831)

I've got fully legit paid for HBO but lately I've been too busy to watch Rome so I've just been d/l-ing them. I wonder how that falls under fair-use?

According to HBO's copyright protection rules [hbo.com] , which you enter into agreement with when you sign up for their service, you CAN create a single copy of the show for yourself but NOT distribute it to others. For bittorrent to work though, you have to upload as well as download, thereby breaking your service agreement with HBO regarding not distributing your copy to others.

Re:TiVo (1)

Xzzy (111297) | more than 8 years ago | (#13736832)

The thing that gets me is that HBO has been very good about putting Rome episodes up in on demand cable. They stay available for weeks.

Seriously, what's the difference between torrenting the episode, and watching it at my liesure on digital cable? They lose the ability to track viewership and that's it, right?

Sounds absolutely juvenile if you ask me.

Re:TiVo (1)

ninjamonkey (694442) | more than 8 years ago | (#13736835)


I use torrents instead of the TiVo I don't own. I've got fully legit paid for HBO but lately I've been too busy to watch Rome so I've just been d/l-ing them. I wonder how that falls under fair-use?

If you're uploading any parts of the file while you're downloading it, I doubt it will be covered by "fair use".

Rome wasn't built in a day (4, Funny)

saskboy (600063) | more than 8 years ago | (#13736724)

Rome wasn't downloaded in a day either, I guess.

Good things take time, so I guess Bit Torrent users will just have to wait a little longer for legitimate video files to become available if they desperately want to see this show.

Headline misleading (5, Informative)

badboy_tw2002 (524611) | more than 8 years ago | (#13736726)

HBO is not attacking BitTorrent the program, they're attacking people misusing BitTorrent to share copyrighted material illegally.

Re:Headline misleading (4, Insightful)

Limecron (206141) | more than 8 years ago | (#13736758)

Also, it much nicer than suing people, and possibly more effective.

My Infringement Notice (5, Interesting)

Anonymous Coward | more than 8 years ago | (#13736733)

Here's an infrinigement notice from MediaSentry [mediasentry.com] passed along to me just the other day by Speakeasy [speakeasy.net] for downloading 2.4k worth of Rome on BitTorrent.

It might be worth noting that I was using Azureus [sf.net] and running PeerGuardian [sf.net] at the time of the download.

I'm running Azureus on a different computer now.
Subject: Case ID XXXXXXXX - Notice of Claimed Infringement
Date: Mon, 03 Oct 2005 11:56:33 -0400
To: Abe Usetonsen <abuse@speakeasy.net>
From: MediaSentry Copyright Infringement <infringements@hbo.com>
 
Monday, October 03, 2005
 
Speakeasy Network DSL
Seattle, WA 98121 US
 
RE: Unauthorized Distribution of the Copyrighted Television Program Entitled Rome
 
Dear Abe Usetonsen:
 
We are writing this letter on behalf of Home Box Office, Inc. ("HBO").
 
We have received information that an individual has utilized the above-referenced IP address at the noted date and time to offer downloads of copyrighted television program(s) through a "peer-to-peer" service, including such title(s) as:
 
Rome
 
The distribution of unauthorized copies of copyrighted television programs constitutes copyright infringement under the Copyright Act, Title 17 United States Code Section 106(3).
 
Since you own this IP address, we request that you immediately do the following:
 
1) Disable access to the individual who has engaged in the conduct described above; and
2) Take appropriate action against the account holder (if other than the individual whose access has been disabled) under your Abuse Policy/Terms of Service Agreement.
 
On behalf of HBO, owner of the exclusive rights to the copyrighted material at issue in this notice, we hereby state, that we have a good faith belief that use of the material in the manner complained of is not authorized by HBO, its respective agents, or the law.
 
Also, we hereby state, under penalty of perjury, under the laws of the State of New York and under the laws of the United States, that the information in this notification is accurate and that we are authorized to act on behalf of the owner of the exclusive rights being infringed as set forth in this notification.
 
Please direct any end user queries to the following address:
 
Steve Rosenthal
Legal Department
Home Box Office, Inc.
1100 Avenue of the Americas
New York, NY 10036
212.512.1780 phone
212.512.5854 fax
infringements@hbo.com email
 
Kindly include the Case ID XXXXXXXX, also noted above, in the subject line of all future correspondence regarding this matter.
 
We appreciate your assistance and thank you for your cooperation in this matter. Your prompt response is requested.
 
Respectfully,
 
Mark Weaver,
Director of Enforcement
MediaSentry, Inc.
 
--------------------
Infringement Detail:
Infringing Work: Rome
Filepath: Rome.S01E06.HDTV.XviD-LOL.[eztv].torrent
Filename : Rome.S01E06.HDTV.XviD-LOL.avi
First Found: 3 Oct 2005 10:28:33 EDT (GMT -0400)
Last Found: 3 Oct 2005 10:28:33 EDT (GMT -0400)
Filesize: 359,196k
IP Address: X.X.X.X
IP Port: 26495
Network: BTPeers
Protocol: BitTorrent
    Download (untitled) 2.4k

Re:My Infringement Notice (1, Interesting)

Anonymous Coward | more than 8 years ago | (#13736789)

Yup, even running a good firewall won't work, it seems media sentry has been known [grok.org.uk] to not actually connect [grok.org.uk] to see if the client is truly sharing. They just look at the stream to see the IP addresses of everyone connected. It's the downside of the Bittorrent protocol, it's not great for identity based security.

Re:My Infringement Notice (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 8 years ago | (#13736850)

This could explain why eztv stopped releasing for the night.

Re:My Infringement Notice (2, Insightful)

Nigel_Powers (880000) | more than 8 years ago | (#13736857)

Yeah, but how are they gonna sue? All you have to do is say that the chunks you downloaded were poisoned bits. Are those copyrighted as well?

Re:My Infringement Notice (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 8 years ago | (#13736888)

If you steal fake money from the bank and don't know it, you are still liable for the intent to rob the bank, since it can be assumed you thought you were stealing real money. I would imagine that it is the same thing with this HBO case.

Bittornado (3, Interesting)

metatruk (315048) | more than 8 years ago | (#13736734)

In Bittornado, and possibly other clients, there's an option you can check that will ban peers that do this.

prefs -> check [Kick/ban clients that send you bad data]

After at least one failed hash check, the client won't eat any more poison, so to speak.

Re:Bittornado (1)

6*7 (193752) | more than 8 years ago | (#13736868)

1 bad checksum might be a bit to early to ban. IIRC Azureus' will ban it something like 4 bad chunks are received.

Don't get it (2, Insightful)

Shky (703024) | more than 8 years ago | (#13736736)

Okay, I understand why they'd want to do it, or at least some initial reasoning: People are infringing on our copyright (Arrrr!), so we should try to stop them. Thing is, how does this help them at all? Do they really think that people are going to try to download the first episode, realize that it's really difficult, so they'll pay for HBO and start mid-series? Is that their game plan here? I just can't imagine this working. What they've really done is only two things.

1: They've pissed people off, some who may simply download out of spite now, and
2: They're stopping potential customers from seeing their show. I don't have HBO (not sure I can get it here anyway, but let's say I can). So what if I download and episode, realize that I really like it, and want to sign up? Well, they've stopped me from doing that, or at least tried.

So yeah, I just can't imagine how this helps them at all. Of course, I may be way off here, so bring on the torches if you're into that sort of thing.

probably a planned DVD release. (1)

faceword (635817) | more than 8 years ago | (#13736783)

To be fair, HBO is very likely planning a DVD release of the entire first season of Rome at the end of the year. HBO probably hopes that you would the purchase the set rather than go thru the hassle of a slower torrent.

2: They're stopping potential customers from seeing their show. I don't have HBO (not sure I can get it here anyway, but let's say I can). So what if I download and episode, realize that I really like it, and want to sign up? Well, they've stopped me from doing that, or at least tried.

Re:probably a planned DVD release. (1)

Shky (703024) | more than 8 years ago | (#13736834)

To be fair, HBO is very likely planning a DVD release of the entire first season of Rome at the end of the year. HBO probably hopes that you would the purchase the set rather than go thru the hassle of a slower torrent.

Oh, no doubt. But I think the issue is (and it's the point that I was trying to make), what about those who simply didn't see it on TV (for whatever reason)? How do they know they want to purcahse it? How do they know they should pay for HBO? They really don't. I think HBO, and the industry as a whole, should realize that we want to try before we buy. I'll buy the Battlestar DVDs because I downloaded the episodes. I may have done the same thing with Rome. But, I suppose. we'll never know.

Re:probably a planned DVD release. (1)

iocat (572367) | more than 8 years ago | (#13736838)

Are they going to start poisoning the Net Flix packets too? Cause that would suck. "I thought I got the first season of ROME, but teh DVDs are all of The Hitcher!"

Re:probably a planned DVD release. (1)

egburr (141740) | more than 8 years ago | (#13736884)

...opes that you would the purchase the set rather than go thru the hassle of a slower torrent.

That makes no sense...

Slow torrent download: hours or days while you do other things

Fast DVD release: end of year, have to drive out to purchase or wait days for mail delivery

Which seems quicker to you?

Re:Don't get it (1)

Pretzalzz (577309) | more than 8 years ago | (#13736898)

HBO has extensive offerings in On Demand. So if you got HBO now and have On Demand, you wouldn't have to start 'mid-season'. They even have commentaries for each Rome episode[except the pilot] available.

I pay for HBO, but due to On Demand crapping out on me at precisely the wrong time[I tend to wait til the season is almost over/over and watch the whole season at once, but it does cycle out of On Demand after a while]. I have been forced to download some HBO shows. I feel completely justified and see this as mere format shifting since I have already paid HBO way too much money for their programming.

Re:Don't get it (1)

mysqlrocks (783488) | more than 8 years ago | (#13736902)

They've pissed people off, some who may simply download out of spite now

I'm installing bit torrent now. If it weren't for this article I wouldn't have used bit torrent yet (or maybe ever). Thank you HBO for helping to promote bit torrent.

Poison IP's (1, Interesting)

Anonymous Coward | more than 8 years ago | (#13736738)

the IP's seem to all be in the range 70.85.*.* fyi. It trival to block them makeing the bt client time out on trying to connect and thus a clean torrent. Further they only send bad data, they do not download.

Yes I do have HBO legally, and I am pissed about this.

Broadcast Content Filtering in Java (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 8 years ago | (#13736739)

  • If people just stopped using bullshit Java, reliability would be much better!

Re:Broadcast Content Filtering in Java (1)

rebullandvodka (569646) | more than 8 years ago | (#13736813)

What? I don't understand your post.

I should feel sorry for someone... (-1, Flamebait)

Rick Zeman (15628) | more than 8 years ago | (#13736742)

...getting "poisoned" by downloading something they shouldn't to begin with? Yeah, right. No lost sleep here. I wouldn't even lose sleep if their hard drives got reformatted in the process. "But wait, that's illegal!" the thieves would cry. "Well, duh...what goes around comes around."

Is this is some way a bad thing? (5, Insightful)

yfarren (159985) | more than 8 years ago | (#13736744)

You say it like HBO is doing something Evil. I would agree, if they were messing up the protocol, across the board, but, from the article, they are doing this to downloads of their copyrighted material (specificaly, the show ROME).

Perhaps "HBO using technology to counter Copyright Infringment". I mean, really, downloading Rome cant be particularly leagal. It is theirs. Surely this is a good thing. I mean, entities have to be able to protect their property. Argue what you will about the terms of copyright (I would agree they are ridiculous). But this is somone trying to protect something which is currently making them money. And they arent suing anyone, either (yet). I for one, hope they can find a technological way to stop people from using BitTorrent to illeagly download theiri intellectual property, as I tend to prefer those solutions to the far nastier ones that are available (see the RIAA).

That's the way it goes (5, Insightful)

Auckerman (223266) | more than 8 years ago | (#13736745)

I hate to break it to you, they have the copyright to the show. They have full license to distribute the show in any way they see fit. They see fit in distributing the show as a garbled mess over Bittorrent. If you don't like their distributation method, that's YOUR problem. Find another way to watch their show.

Re:That's the way it goes (1)

ashot (599110) | more than 8 years ago | (#13736781)

Thats irrelavant. What they are doing is not illegal, even if they didn't have a copyright.

Re:That's the way it goes (1)

$RANDOMLUSER (804576) | more than 8 years ago | (#13736870)

Maybe not, but it's immoral!! errr...
Never mind.

Obstructing? (4, Interesting)

linuxmop (37039) | more than 8 years ago | (#13736748)

That's pretty cute, the use of "obstructing" in the summary. Usually when I hear the word obstructing it is in phrases like "obstructing justice." Obstructing is usually something the criminals do. The word has picked up a pretty negative connotation.

But here, we have HBO obstructing the downloading of their copyrighted material. HBO is obstructing copyright violation. Would you say that a lock obstructs breaking and entering? Or that self defense obstructs assault? Perhaps good server administration obstructs the stealing of private data. Of course you wouldn't say that. It sounds silly. So why is HBO obstructing downloads?

Re:Obstructing? (3, Insightful)

daranz (914716) | more than 8 years ago | (#13736803)

Exactly. HBO is only wasting their bandwidth... People who download stuff from bittorrent don't expect it instantenously, so what if there's a slight delay - it's not stopping people from actually downloading the file, and all the user has to do is just minimize his client of choice and forget about it until the file is finished downloading.

To me this reaction seems like lifting your fist at someone, and shaking it while spewing "I'm gonna get you" through clenched teeth, without really knowing how you're gonna get them.

Re:Obstructing? (3, Insightful)

Azi Dahaka (625546) | more than 8 years ago | (#13736811)

Maybe because they ARE obstructing the download. It has a negative connotation, to be sure, but obstruction means exactly what HBO is doing.

Re:Obstructing? (1)

ashot (599110) | more than 8 years ago | (#13736822)

Although I agree with the blunt of your comment, your analogies don't quite hold. They are actively hindering a system which was already in place. Its not a passive action.

Oh Noes! (1)

bronney (638318) | more than 8 years ago | (#13736752)

It'll take much longer to download shows oh noes!!!11onetwoten. Guess it's time to queue more shows so I don't run out of things to watch.

Like it matters. Downloaders, at least the ones I know, rarely download "1" thing and let that sit. They usually keep downloading crap overlapping the finishing time. If they can't wait to see a movie for example, for me anyway, I would've gone to the theatre to see it (episode 3), if I am downloading, it already mean I am not in a hurry.

*opens firefox's download history and click some more ..*

if I worked at HBO (-1, Flamebait)

Anonymous Coward | more than 8 years ago | (#13736759)

that's exactly what I would do, and I wouldn't feel one pang of guilt about doing it either. Those people are shoplifters and thieves.

Suppose a whole bunch of people with blogs and college degrees decided it was their right to swipe books from the bookstore w/o paying, because the books represented our common cultural heritage built on the shoulders of giants yadda yadda yadda... well that's the same as what the p2p crowd is doing.

Re:if I worked at HBO (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 8 years ago | (#13736890)

How is it the same thing? Depriving someone of physical property is not the same thing of making copies of arrangements of electrons.

This is copyright infringement, not shoplifting, burglary, or theft.

This problem solves itself (0)

Helpadingoatemybaby (629248) | more than 8 years ago | (#13736765)

The first I heard about "Rome" was right now, on this story. (Amazing, the power of word of mouth promotion like this!) I would download an episode to see if it's any good or not (and then, perhaps, tune in) but since it sounds like it might take a long time I'll just pass. It's too much work, and it sounds like it's far too much trouble to deal with.

Therefore HBO has solved its own problem. They want to impede viewership, and I shall cooperate with them.

It appears that they have forgotten that there's a 500 channel universe out there and a thing called "word of mouth."

Enjoy your show HBO, you're the only ones who'll want to watch it.

HBO's Actions (3, Interesting)

postsingularity (874666) | more than 8 years ago | (#13736766)

are understandable since Rome is their big subscription pitch for the moment. If they can frustrate DLers enough to pay for a subscription, buy or rent the dvd, then they can profit. While many opinionated slashdotters will scoff and say people should boycott HBO, fact of the matter is most people's convictions aren't so strong that they will throw away the time invested in watching the earlier episode. On a positive note, the fact that HBO has some sense of what is going on technologically means that they are that much closer to offering download services of their own.

Re:HBO's Actions (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 8 years ago | (#13736901)

I tend to think this is fine for HBO. They're already making the programs available via on-Demand for subscribers (if you have Digital Cable); so if they're blocking statesiders...

heh (2, Interesting)

Renraku (518261) | more than 8 years ago | (#13736776)

Easy solution. Dedicate a website to Rome trackers that actually contain other things (like fan-created things). Name them like HBO Rome Episode One.torrent, etc, etc. HBO will ejaculate half their money into lawyers and it'll go down like a burning ship

its not mpaa, (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 8 years ago | (#13736777)

its HBO

yea for EULA's !! (1)

WindowLicker916 (704800) | more than 8 years ago | (#13736799)

Why don't these sites have a notice saying that these entities and types of users are not permitted to access the tracker what so ever with the intent of causing harm. Then when they do, technically they have then entered the system unauthorized which, if im remember correctly, is a federal offense.....

Use Newsgroups? (1)

addbo (165128) | more than 8 years ago | (#13736804)

I currently use Newzbin.com to search for episodes... then I download using Xnews... if you have a decent newsserver you should be able to get the episodes rather quickly and for a lengthy period of time. (I actually pay for alibis.com and so I think they have like a 3 month retention policy)

Since in my area of the world we are restricted to 10GB upload and download BT just isn't feasible for me... but I actually prefer newsgroups anyways as it downloads quite fast and I'm sure it's there when I see it.

Addbo

Re:Use Newsgroups? (4, Insightful)

jcnnghm (538570) | more than 8 years ago | (#13736895)

shh...

don't talk about usenet.

Why don't they get it (1)

bgibby9 (614547) | more than 8 years ago | (#13736810)

Whatever they do, we'll find a way to circumvent it anyhow! They're just pissing us off, and the thing is, you piss too many of us off, we'll eventually bring them down more than what was already happening in the first place! Catch 22 if you ask me!

A victim is fighting back... (1)

mi (197448) | more than 8 years ago | (#13736812)

Outrage!

Old news for those that dare to share (2, Interesting)

Anonymous Coward | more than 8 years ago | (#13736816)

As I recall it started to get obvious a couple of weeks ago. Rome's a great series I couldn't see without P2P groups. MediaSentry released a 95+% complete fake of the next week's episode onto the networks a week early in order to try and entrap sharers. I tested that release by repairing the 95% downloaded file and it was indeed just silent black video fill-in. Peerguardian [slashdot.org] lit up like a christmas tree during (and for days after) the download.

I'm curious as to how they can chase people for sharing a file devoid of any content or copyrighted materials like that.

Anyway, it's really not a problem for people that use blocklists [bluetack.co.uk] and blocklist managing tools such as PeerGuardian [sourceforge.net] .

Now here's a note for the HBO readers. I will pay for your content. I'll buy DVD's of this series and all the other quality TV shows I can only currently acquire 'illegally'. I will also be quite happy to see a little watermark advertisement in place of corporate branding in the corner of the screen. That's some premium ad space you're wasting there - you know this quality material will spread like a virus. And on top of that it's an additional incentive to buy the non-watermarked content when you make it available. Come on, please do get with the programme. Believe it or not we actually want companies that make quality entertainment to succeed in their efforts almost as much as the company executives themselves. The old distribution model is dead. Believe it or not, and scary though it may be, this is actually good news for all of us.

Inspired parent (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 8 years ago | (#13736878)

An assesment no doubt inspired by <A HREF="http://www.archive.org/details/PiracyIsGood" >Mark Pesce</A>.  All TV Executives need to watch this presentation.

overseas downloading no problem (1)

mateomiguel (614660) | more than 8 years ago | (#13736818)

I'm currently overseas and unable to watch HBO, so I've been downloading these shows. It takes about 6 hours to finish one, and I've got all 5. When I download my weekly Battlestar Galactica fix, it usually takes 2-3 hours to finish the same size file. So there is a significant speed decrease. However, it doesn't deter me at all from getting the file, I just watch it on Monday evening instead of Sunday morning. Big deal.

Why is this bad? (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 8 years ago | (#13736821)

Seriously. I don't think we have any right to copyrighted material. I loathe it when the RIAAs and MPAAs of the world try to curtail copyright infringement by threatening my actual rights. But this doesn't seem to fit that bill. I see no real harm in this, as the "collateral damage" is minimal.

DMCA and licensing (0, Redundant)

libra-dragon (701553) | more than 8 years ago | (#13736843)

Wouldn't that make HBO in violation of the DMCA by hacking the protocol?

Furthermore, according to the BitTorrent license, shouldn't they release the source of their derivative work?

Re:DMCA and licensing (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 8 years ago | (#13736862)

No.

Try reading the text of the law before making uninformed kneejerk statements.

I love it! (3, Insightful)

csoto (220540) | more than 8 years ago | (#13736852)

Game the game! Perhaps this will help the rest of the "entertainment industry" (HBO is one of the few actually entertaining networks these days) understand that there is no way to prevent "piracy" via technical means. There is always a way around any technical "problem" (in this case, BT). By practicing this sort of act, it seems that at least some people at HBO will come to understand this. The only way to win the game, is to provide an easier, BETTER alternative. iTunes is proving this, for example. No, it doesn't stop MP3 trading, but it makes money DESPITE illegal file trading.

level3 (1, Funny)

Anonymous Coward | more than 8 years ago | (#13736854)

I think HBO uses level3. Since I have cogent I should be ok, right?

FIRST P0ST (-1, Offtopic)

Anonymous Coward | more than 8 years ago | (#13736856)

Yes, I got the first post! What I didn't? Oh, fuck it!

What? (1)

zappepcs (820751) | more than 8 years ago | (#13736866)

So you mean to tell me that people actually pay for HBO? I think HBO is just trying to stop anyone that is intelligent from really finding out what crap they put out on their channels... If the news gets out, they will lose a lot of customers that simply haven't noticed yet.

Hopefully, this news will alert the subscribers that have been too lazy to quit paying for HBO to stop paying for it right now.

Sure, they have a couple of good shows, but you have to pay for 6 channels 24/7 instead of just the 1.5 hours per week that you really want to watch... fsck that billing method.

See, they have lost more revenue, after all this torrent news, I might pay for downloads so I could watch only the programming that interests me, but I'll not pay for anything from HBO from now on, not even a download... WOW, their tactics are working already

Retaliatory Strike (1)

Starcom8826 (888459) | more than 8 years ago | (#13736867)

Now that they're actively uploading on a peer to peer network, let's sue them! Oh, but then they can claim it was fake files, thereby allowing all future victims of litigation to claim the same thing. I've never figured out why peer to peer software developers don't just put some kind of thing to prevent this in their EULAs because then A) People don't get sued into oblivion or B) Software EULAs are invalidated.

This will affect the sopranos (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 8 years ago | (#13736873)

Rome IMDB Entry [imdb.com]

Whilst this does not particularly concern me, when the Sopranos return I think there will be plenty of people who are unhappy with this practice. I

I know that here in Australia Channel Nine's patronage of this show is pathetic. Often showing one episode and then breaking for many weeks. Downloads become our only option. This of course after probably close to a year of waiting after its screened in the US (they are really slow).

I don't care who does what with who (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 8 years ago | (#13736874)

As long as they make a backup copy, I'm fine with it.

Corrupted torrents? (1, Interesting)

telemonster (605238) | more than 8 years ago | (#13736877)

So if HBO is poisioning the torrent data, then those people that have ROME data that get a C&D from the HBO Laywers could argue in fact the data wasn't the show, but garbage fetched from a trashbot?

How about a new business model? I'd pay $1 per show to download a real file of the quality of the shows I've seen on the net. You know, the DivX files. Sure in their minds it's worth a $99 box set, but lets be honest... how many millions of people would plunk $1 to download error free, hassle free an episode? Maybe tolerate 2 ads before the video plays. No DRM.

It would then not be worth the trouble to even bother with torrents.

TVoverIP is coming.

In a related story... (5, Insightful)

pico303 (187769) | more than 8 years ago | (#13736879)

Car thieves are miffed because auto makers are now installing locks on all cars.

If you're going to be a thief, don't complain when someone tries to stop you from stealing their stuff. Anyone who complains about this is an immature idiot. HBO spends 10 million dollars to develop, produce, and advertise a show on their premium networks. To recoup the costs, they charge subscribers money. For those that don't wish to subscribe, they sell DVDs in a couple of months, so that you can either buy the DVDs or get them off Netflix or from some other video rental source. HBO makes 20 million dollars from this process. HBO goes on to keep their people employed and continue to make television series and movies. ...or...

HBO spends 10 million dollars, and everybody steals their content without reimbursing HBO for any of their costs. 10,000 people lose their jobs because HBO declares bankruptcy.

I know this is an extreme case, but I'm tired of all the whining because a company (or even a person) who produces something that you think is valuable enough to at least steal would like to make some money off of it. Yes, I know they're rich, but if you don't like that, stop buying their product. Why exactly should networks, studios, software developers, or anyone else provide anything of value if there's no benefit to them, i.e. no way to make a living?

I'm a software developer, and if my company doesn't get paid for something, I get laid off.

Grow up people.

A terrible thing? (1)

phorm (591458) | more than 8 years ago | (#13736886)

I notice that the use of terminology etc reflects and general focus indicates that HBO is doing a bad thing. Really, though, they're getting smarter about fighting those who would distribute their content, to which there will probably eventually be a retaliatory solution (perhaps triple-chunking of some non-corrupt bits, if two people send a correct chunk and one sends a different chunk, person #3 can be banned). Still, we use terms such as 'poisoning' to describe such a method, and call it an attack on bittorrent (which it isn't, just against the unauthorized episodes).

Kettle, meet pot. Personally I'm glad that HBO is finding more intellectual ways of dealing with this scenario as opposed to suing downloaders.

well (1)

luther349 (645380) | more than 8 years ago | (#13736887)

at least hbo isnt sueing kids. but most modern bittorrent clients whont even be effected by garabge data. bitlord shows you the amount of garbage data sent and droped it doesent even make it to your file. at least they tryed lol but most moders bit clients will ban them so it whont efect very many maybe the few running old clients or something.

Good (1)

Lambticc (563530) | more than 8 years ago | (#13736896)

I like Rome and am paying to see it (along with other HBO shows). I want to commend HBO for using the technology to fight piracy because they aren't using RIAA scare tactics and aren't trying to stop the transmission of other files.

This is not new (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 8 years ago | (#13736905)

They did this with six feet under as well.

The posts about clients that automatically kick peers with bad data are off base, because they flood the network with tons of bogus clients. You keep kicking, and they keep feeding you bad data.

Their peers are also extremely aggressive in their offers of pieces of the data. Real peers are trying to trade pieces for stuff they need, and most people in the swarm have limited bandwith. But the hostile peers offer stuff to everyone, push it out through fat pipes, and crowd out the legitimate peers.

The attack depends on being able to hit the swarm from lots of different IP addresses -- that's how they get around autokicks from modern clients. So it's easier for them to hit public trackers than it is for them to hit private trackers that track ratios.

But at the same time, the keys that get embedded in URLs on a lot of closed community sites are a kludge. I think that they could probably use a single client that was behaving reasonably to harvest peer data from the tracker, and pass it to the attacking nodes who could initiate connections. I don't know if they've been doing that or not.

I think we're going to need something like kerberos for torrents -- peers would have to provide tickets to one another before connections could be made.

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