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Interesting (5, Funny)

rebug (520669) | more than 8 years ago | (#13742177)

But does it run on my old Web 1.0 system?

I'm not upgrading until at least Web 2.1.

Re:Interesting (3, Funny)

GweeDo (127172) | more than 8 years ago | (#13742262)

I recommend Web 3.11 for Workgroups. RSS only seems useful in a world where we can work together...

Re:Interesting (2, Interesting)

turtled (845180) | more than 8 years ago | (#13742364)

Has anyone seen the RSS "Web Clips" in your Gmail? I have 4 addresses, and only one has it. Upwards of 10 others with gmail don't have it. It is in the settings area on what feeds you want, and shows a non-intrusive scrolling line above the topmost email. Is this the same?

I upgraded to Web 2.0 (4, Funny)

kitzilla (266382) | more than 8 years ago | (#13742630)

I upgraded to Web 2.0, and -- wow -- the web really feels quite a bit snappier now!

Windows open and close much faster. In my OS X dock, the Safari icon hardly has a chance to bounce more than once before the web loads right up. I don't know what Google has done "under the hood," but Web 2.0 is TONS better than Web 1.0.

The only thing which doesn't work faster is Orkut, which chugs along and randomly barfs server errors just as always.

Anyway: thanks, Google! That's twice you've Changed Everything (tm) this week!

Slashdotted? (1)

SlongNY (766017) | more than 8 years ago | (#13742183)

Google Slashdotted?

Re:Slashdotted? (2, Informative)

SlongNY (766017) | more than 8 years ago | (#13742207)

If you add a feed, it just sits saying saying "Loading" with the google labs logo.

Re:Slashdotted? (0, Troll)

branto (811992) | more than 8 years ago | (#13742223)

I think Slashdot must be slippin'... News with the word "Google" in it has been avaialble for a few hours, and it only now made it to the home page. What's next? An Apple announcement going uncommented?!

Re:Slashdotted? (5, Funny)

LiquidCoooled (634315) | more than 8 years ago | (#13742247)

Its not slow.
Somebody subscribed the reader to www.google.com/reader/rss and now its dissapeared up its own arse.

Re:Slashdotted? (1)

tumbaumba (547886) | more than 8 years ago | (#13742687)

Somebody subscribed the reader to www.google.com/reader/rss and now its dissapeared up its own arse.

Obviously a black hole is about to be formed somewhere in Mountain View.

Re:Slashdotted? (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 8 years ago | (#13742251)

Seems that way. Anybody have the Google cache ;-)?

SUCK IT TACO SHIT (-1, Offtopic)

Anonymous Coward | more than 8 years ago | (#13742186)

FIRST POST

er, redundant? (1, Interesting)

Anonymous Coward | more than 8 years ago | (#13742201)

Feeds are feeds I suppose, but why not let Drudge or whoever do it?

Re:er, redundant? (1)

shokk (187512) | more than 8 years ago | (#13742671)

Sorry, Drudge's setup stinks. I love reading his site, but he has a feed at drudgereportarchives.com that is days late and sometimes republishes all its articles again. I would rather let this be handled someone who had an inkling of RSS.

It's slow. (2, Interesting)

Anonymous Coward | more than 8 years ago | (#13742205)

Very. Very. Very slow. It imports nested OPML, however.

It's slow-RSSOwl. (1, Informative)

Anonymous Coward | more than 8 years ago | (#13742264)

I believe RSSOwl does the same.

Re:It's slow. (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 8 years ago | (#13742510)

Nope.. it failed miserably the first time I tried with nested OPML. Someone else too [gigaom.com] .

Re:It's slow. (1)

VJ42 (860241) | more than 8 years ago | (#13742582)

Same here, the OPML import just gave an error message telling me it wasn't formatted correctly.

Google site is slashdotted..but.. (0, Flamebait)

Chunni Babu (920014) | more than 8 years ago | (#13742220)

Web2.0 site is not. Does not reflect very well on Google..does it? Particularly when the product in question appears to be heavily inspired by start.com's article preview feature.

The impossible dream! (4, Funny)

darkmeridian (119044) | more than 8 years ago | (#13742224)

Dare we dream the impossible? Do my eyes see correctly? Slashdot has vanquished the mighty Google, who lies slain by our feet!

This day shall live in infamy!

Re:The impossible dream! (-1, Troll)

Gulthek (12570) | more than 8 years ago | (#13742277)

Nah, the site went down a few hours ago when the story first appeared on digg.

Re:The impossible dream! (0, Offtopic)

Overly Critical Guy (663429) | more than 8 years ago | (#13742469)

Reading Digg is like becoming a time traveller and finding out which cool stories Slashdot might eventually post in the future, and all the other incredibly cool ones they'll ignore (like the Nintendo Revolution possibly costing only $99!).

A sign of things to come? (5, Interesting)

GillBates0 (664202) | more than 8 years ago | (#13742288)

While it's well known that Google has an ub3r loadsharing cluster of 10k+ machines, running a custom version of Linux, and probably many more mini-clusters distributed around the globe, I wonder how much more CPU load they can really take.

I'm guessing their 10k cluster was probably underused when they started off with just basic search and indexing as their primary functions. Over time, they brainstormed over how else to put their massive resources to use. But now that they've released a large number of presumably *very* resource-intensive services, and are supporting an evergrowing number of users, I wonder if this Slashdotting is a sign of things to come.

Some of their resource intensive services that come to mind (probably in a decreasing order of hogginess):

1. Search/Indexing.
2. Google Earth.
3. Google Maps.
4. Gmail/Google Groups/Blog
5. Google Video (lower because of low usership currently).
6. Google Images.
7. Other assorted stuff.

Re:A sign of things to come? (2, Interesting)

Anonymous Coward | more than 8 years ago | (#13742375)

Its a google labs beta, get over yourself. Google can easily grow their cluster, data pipe, etc.
I have seen lots of these google labs things get slashdotted over the years.
Haven't you heard, they are (twisting moustache, adjusting monacle) billionaires !!!!
Maybe you don't realize just how rich they are right now.

Re:The impossible dream! (1, Funny)

x0n (120596) | more than 8 years ago | (#13742377)

googles slashdotted, so here's a link to the google cached version... err... oops, that won't work. :)

- Ois

Easter egg (2, Interesting)

Anonymous Coward | more than 8 years ago | (#13742227)


There's an easter egg, if you subscribe to Apple's Hot News RSS -feed.

Big "Google" Brother (0, Redundant)

Anonymous Coward | more than 8 years ago | (#13742234)

They now what I search, what I read, what emails I receive and send...

Might not be popular with bloggers (1, Offtopic)

obli (650741) | more than 8 years ago | (#13742239)

It seems to be loading entire blog posts into the reader, this could steal some readers that would just 'feed off the feed' instead visiting the blog itself... Also, for some screenshots: http://obli.net/item/255 [obli.net]

That's how aggregators work (1)

Wesley Felter (138342) | more than 8 years ago | (#13742267)

Aggregators show whatever is in the feed. If a feed contains complete posts, then that's what readers will see. Unless you have ads it really doesn't matter.

Re:That's how aggregators work (0, Redundant)

obli (650741) | more than 8 years ago | (#13742286)

We all know most bloggers are statistics whores who love waving that 90's style hit counter around :) But yeah, all that's needed is a word limit on your RSS feed.

Re:Might not be popular with bloggers (1)

spyder913 (448266) | more than 8 years ago | (#13742280)

If people don't want their blog to be fully published in the RSS feed, that is up to them. It is not the agregator software's job.

It's all the feeds fault. (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 8 years ago | (#13742595)

I wonder if you would feel that way if, either:

A) You're paying effectively by the byte.

B) You're on a very slow connection.

Depending on others to do what benefits you is...undependable.

As odd as it sounds... (1)

Div3B0mbr (631477) | more than 8 years ago | (#13742269)

I don't read a lot of RSS feeds, I generally visit the sites. But as odd as it sounds, I still think AOL has one of the better feed readers: here's the link [aol.com]

Blatant copyright violation (0, Troll)

Chunni Babu (920014) | more than 8 years ago | (#13742281)

If Google is caching all the blogs locally so that readers never have to visit a blog site, Google is robbing the bloggers and other site's off their advertising revenue, not to mention the fact that Google is robbing the readers off the experience of seeing good creative graphic design of other sites by showing content in its crappy looking interface.

Re:Blatant copyright violation (1)

generic-man (33649) | more than 8 years ago | (#13742321)

Google also caches every web site it finds and that's fine with most people here. Perhaps you missed Google's new motto, "All your web are belong to us."

Re:Blatant copyright violation (1)

htrp (894193) | more than 8 years ago | (#13742335)

What exactly does the terms of service of blog publications entail? I can't really get the site to work so someone will have to explain all of it.
 
  Does google have a right to do something like this. I mean google news is legal in that it only posts the newest excerpts, would this service follow the same principle, posting only the newest enteries and referring users to the blogs when they wish to see the archive?

You must be new here (4, Insightful)

Wesley Felter (138342) | more than 8 years ago | (#13742342)

The whole point of RSS is so that aggregators can spindle, fold, mutilate, and (gasp) read it. If you want to force people to come to your site, just don't have RSS, or have a feed with only headlines.

As for creative graphic design, the Web isn't print.

Re:You must be new here (1)

Chunni Babu (920014) | more than 8 years ago | (#13742367)

I think you are missing the point. Google could simply have shown the headline of a new blog publication and maybe 2-3 lines of the first para the way start.com does.

Re:You must be new here (1)

grahams (5366) | more than 8 years ago | (#13742383)

No, you're missing the point, if the website author only wanted Google to show the first few lines they would only put that much in the RSS feed...

Re:You must be new here (1)

Azi Dahaka (625546) | more than 8 years ago | (#13742415)

Exactly. This is just another RSS reader. If you don't want Google to include the entire post, then set the feed up to only give summaries or titles. By setting up a feed you are giving permission for others to look at your articles without visiting your site. This will no more rob sites of visitors than any other RSS reader.

Re:You must be new here (1)

Jugalator (259273) | more than 8 years ago | (#13742633)

In that case start.com isn't respecting the RSS data...

The idea with RSS is to give the author the flexibility to configure how much or how little an RSS reader should display their feeds. If start.com decide to cripple the feed info, that's their problem and nothing I think readers should strive for.

that is the point of RSS (2, Insightful)

Skeezix (14602) | more than 8 years ago | (#13742381)

Um, that's the whole point of online RSS readers. If a blog doesn't want you to read their news without visiting their site, then they shouldn't publish an RSS feed. The caching is actually a nice benefit as it decreases the number of repeated hits to your feed. bloglines [bloglines.com] has been doing this for a while. If a site wants to publish a feed but also wants advertising revenue they can insert ads in their feed or only publish a short portion of the entry in the feed so that someone has to go to the site to see the rest.

NOT Blatant copyright violation (1)

Anonymous Coward | more than 8 years ago | (#13742386)

The onus is on the publishers to publish feeds which contain precisely the content which they will allow to be syndicated.

Google can only republish what is put out there in the XML file. If you don't want your full text syndicated then don't publish it. The feed publisher has the option to publish headlines, or first [50/100/250] words. You can't bitch at Google for publishing what a blogger has allowed, right?

There is an opportunity for blogs to publish full text along with "sponsored" links in the feeds - there are still ways to make money while publishing full text feeds. Get creative.

Re:Blatant copyright violation (1)

coolmadsi (823103) | more than 8 years ago | (#13742401)

Google is robbing the readers off the experience of seeing good creative graphic design of other sites by showing content in its crappy looking interface.

I would assume that if someone had subscribed to something they would have seen what the website looked like in the first place. Even so it is a little unfair on the bloggers revenue wise but i suppose that would depend on whether the blogger just wants money or cares more about who reads what they have to say.

Re:Blatant copyright violation (2)

99BottlesOfBeerInMyF (813746) | more than 8 years ago | (#13742403)

If Google is caching all the blogs locally so that readers never have to visit a blog site, Google is robbing the bloggers and other site's off their advertising revenue, not to mention the fact that Google is robbing the readers off the experience of seeing good creative graphic design of other sites by showing content in its crappy looking interface.

Boo Hoo. Squid caches things locally too. Your browser caches things locally and a second user might never actually visit the site. Pop-up blockers and browsing with Lynx both deprive sites of ad revenue too, it is not Google's problem. Robbing people of the experience of seeing the great graphic design?!? I really hope you are joking.

Re:Blatant copyright violation (1)

omega9 (138280) | more than 8 years ago | (#13742405)

If a site offers an RSS feed and Google reads it, how is that a copyright violation? Nobody is forcing you to host RSS, and you can't hold anyone liable just because they use a service you offer.

Re:Blatant copyright violation (1)

PintoPiman (648009) | more than 8 years ago | (#13742412)

1. You can't rob bloggers of something if they are giving it to you freely. Blogs don't have to have RSS feeds. The point of such a feed is to allow reading, searching and publishing of content elsewhere. Setting up a public feed must amount to some concession that others will use it, no?

2. You can't rob me of something that I don't have or want. If I want the experience of visiting a blog, I know where to find it. If I want to read it in my news reader (Google or otherwise), I know how to do that too. More options never robbed consumers of anything.

Your concerns might influence the decision content providers make about having or not having an RSS feed but no one is getting robbed here.

~p

Re:Blatant copyright violation (1)

FinalCut (555823) | more than 8 years ago | (#13742518)

scored insightful. so basically the poster and the moderator both are clueless as to what RSS actually is.
how can you not know what RSS is - i mean, fine, dont RTFA, but at least know what the blurb is talking about before you saying something so completely wrong.

RSS is syndicated content so folks can republish it all they want. credit still goes to the initial author and pretty much EVERY RSS aggregator in existence does exactly what Googles does. Just not all of them have the google name attached and not all of them are accessible via web interface.

Re:Blatant copyright violation (1)

Chunni Babu (920014) | more than 8 years ago | (#13742560)

I know what RSS is, but some of the blogs were saying that Google is showing the whole content nevertheless, which I thought was wrong. That is why I used a "If" in case you missed it. Unfortunately the Google got /. so it was not possible to verify it. Just verified it - they are not showing the full content.

RSS For The Great Unwashed? (5, Interesting)

Oynk (897161) | more than 8 years ago | (#13742296)

I hope that this will help me to explain the value of RSS to my non-tech inclined friends and family. RSS has completely changed my web experience, again. When tabs arrived I had a simliar experience. I felt more empowered to manage my own web experience. Eventually I was auto-loadind 30 or more tabs. I was drowning again...until I caught on to RSS.

RSS saves me time. I absorb less garbage stimuli (ads, images, meandering sites) and I can put my limitied time and energy into the things that truly interest me. I am a fan of RSS and cant wait to see if Google can serve it up simply to those who recoil at another intimidating internet acronym.

O.

Filters For The Cheap Seats. (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 8 years ago | (#13742458)

"RSS saves me time. I absorb less garbage stimuli (ads, images, meandering sites)..."

Pay careful atention to the above attitude concerning ads. As compared to the "I'll watch ads if they give me 'Y'" attitude when discussing TV shows you missed on demand. Now lets look at this from the POV of one offering the TV shows you missed on demand. Will they watch the commercials knowing how they really feel, just so they can get 'Y'. Or will they find some 'RSS'-like solution to filter out the "garbage" and get 'Y'?

Re:RSS For The Great Unwashed? (1)

Zane Edwards (562074) | more than 8 years ago | (#13742512)

Yes, "great time saver>" Now I spend my entire day RELOADING my RSS reader and catching up on all the latest news reading articles, etc. I now have much more time to read at work!

Typically Google (1)

consonant (896763) | more than 8 years ago | (#13742309)

At least in the launch stages. Same old story - amazing interface, slick navigation, but overall badly borked. Oh yeah, and good luck finding an online/offline news aggregator that exports OPML Google Reader can use...

The Google Group [google.com] for this has pretty much all the same comments.

There's even a blog post [zdnet.com] about it, even though it is somewhat tinny. I have to agree with one of the comments in the blog though:

...they are NOT ready to even call this thing Beta...

One more step towards a Googlified world...

Looks cool (1)

evil agent (918566) | more than 8 years ago | (#13742314)

If they can only integrate this with Gmail (which I'm sure they will), then that would be great.

Re:Looks cool (1)

BoldAC (735721) | more than 8 years ago | (#13742349)

It's already integrated. You can click on any feed and select gmail it. It will automatically connect on your gmail account so you can email the info.

Re:Looks cool (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 8 years ago | (#13742363)

Uh... why? Do you really want some idiot's blog cluttering up your Inbox? Mailing lists got old years ago.

orangoo.com feed reader (3, Interesting)

amix3k (921245) | more than 8 years ago | (#13742331)

I have spend some time on my own little feed reader (check out Orangoo.com [orangoo.com] . And testing Googles feed reader, I really feel mine is better for actually reading feeds ;-)

- It is very simple and made for reading feeds - - not finding them. It uses some Ajax to make the interface more dynamic.
- It supports all versions of RSS + Atom.
- It keeps the count on what items you have read
- Bookmark items with del.icio.us
- It's made with Python ;)
- and more

Try it out! Here is a screenshot: http://www.orangoo.com/static/screenshot.png [orangoo.com]

Re:orangoo.com feed reader (1)

Jarlsberg (643324) | more than 8 years ago | (#13742597)

It didn't accept my email adress (j@xxx.com where xxx is a real domain). I had to use joe@xxx.com to actually register. And you might have gotten slashdotted, as all I could get after logging in was a 505... ;)

Reading list... (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 8 years ago | (#13742332)

"makes it easier to keep up with your ever-expanding reading list of content from across the web"

You mean the hourly posting of Google news on /.?

-Chris

FeedDemon is WAAAAAAY better (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 8 years ago | (#13742333)

FeedDemon [bradsoft.com] is a lot nicer in my opinion. This doesn't even look as clean as GMail.

It's been slow all morning (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 8 years ago | (#13742334)

It was linked by Waxy.org/links earlier today.

No wireless. Less space than a nomad. Lame.

Hopefully, it'll be pretty slick (1)

aftk2 (556992) | more than 8 years ago | (#13742343)

It'll probably have typical Google polish on it, but to be honest, those screenshots aren't really that great. I think I did a better job with my own online bookmarks manager/RSS reader [linkfinder.net] , which is currently under development - moving away from remote scripting using iframes to the usage XMLHttpRequest, dontcha know.

As far Google is concerned, I'm trying to play with the Reader currently, and not having a lot of luck (it's pretty slow.) Brings up an interesting concern about Ajax applications, however - what happens when the load on the server becomes so intense that an XML request takes a fair amount of time? You certainly don't get a whole lot of meaningful feedback.

Not load tested? (3, Interesting)

nzgeek (232346) | more than 8 years ago | (#13742358)

My first impressions? It's excrucuatingly slow, counter intuitive, and just generally sucks the big one. I mean if the future of "Web 2.0 is an animated Loading... dialog, then I'll just stick with 1.0 thankyou very much.

Seriously, it troubles me that in the rush to AJAXify everything, we seem to be going back to dialup days just when everything was starting to run smoothly on broadband. Sure I can load a 1000 element javascript array and do sorting and searching on the client side, but with today's connections and server hardware, what's the big deal with a page refresh?

Google reader vs Bloglines illustrates this brilliantly.

Re:Not load tested? (1)

steevc (54110) | more than 8 years ago | (#13742627)

Desperately slow and uses a lot of CPU. I imported all my feeds from Bloglines via an OPML file, but I'll be sticking with BL for now. It just works, even if it's interface is not the cleverest.

For many years I have had a Yahoo mail account and used their My Yahoo portal as a home page, simply because it gave me some of the news, weather, stocks and cartoons I liked. The email has only been a backup ever since I got my domain. Yahoo groups is still useful for some non-technical areas.

Now Google is muscling in with Gmail and the personal home page. There's not quite enough content to be my main home page, but it has some nice features. I've played with Gmail, but it's just another reserve system for now.

I like the idea of having everything in one place, but for now I'll get by cherry-picking the best services for each purpose.

Most Important Question (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 8 years ago | (#13742431)

Will it be available as an extension for FireFox?

btw didn't RTFA - SUE ME

Re:Most Important Question (1)

VJ42 (860241) | more than 8 years ago | (#13742503)

Wizz RSS [mozilla.org] is a great FF RSS News reader.

Re:Most Important Question (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 8 years ago | (#13742530)

I use Habari Xenu for FF which is pretty good too.

Subscribe Button (1)

thenetbox (809459) | more than 8 years ago | (#13742445)

I really hope they release a button or something that webmasters can place on their websites which says "Subscribe". Something like yahoo has with their MyYahoo Button.

Needs some slickifying -- try netvibes (1)

unfortunateson (527551) | more than 8 years ago | (#13742457)

The biggest downside is that there's no easy way to get an overview of everything, you can only see headlines from one feed at a time.

The big advantage is that it does keep track of which headlines you've already read, like a newsreader or an email program.

My current favorite feedreader is http://www.netvibes.com/ [netvibes.com] -- not to say that that can't use some slick features (keyboard shortcuts, f'rinstance), but I like the rearrangable panes, easy configuration, general flexibility.

Overall, I'd say netvibes is a better 'good morning' dashboard.

Re:Needs some slickifying -- try netvibes (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 8 years ago | (#13742666)

except when I follow your link it says Opera and Safari support to come ...
Just what I need, a feedreader that cant even code to web standards.

Too early to tell (1)

Rick and Roll (672077) | more than 8 years ago | (#13742475)

Too early to tell if this is a decent program. Right now it is slow as molasses. Can't tell whether it's the client side program or the server that's slow, or maybe a little of both.

It's so slow now, I've got to wonder if their servers are down. But since it's beta that's perfectly acceptible.

Re:Too early to tell (1)

VJ42 (860241) | more than 8 years ago | (#13742664)

I've got to wonder if their servers are down

I'm getting a 502 server error now so I think that might be right.

uses GMail account, but it is slow. (1)

Imoq (623963) | more than 8 years ago | (#13742535)

It seems to be using my GMail account login, as some other Google services, but I must agree that it is working slow right now. I am sure it will improve in the next days. Way to go, Google! :)

What browsers does this work with?! (1)

leesweet (868202) | more than 8 years ago | (#13742548)

Either it's still /.'d or it doesn't work with Opera (that I can see). The config web page only displays two blank placeholders when I subscribe to two RSS feeds. So, is there a browser compat issue or... ?

why arn't my personal homepage rss feeds there now (1)

etheriel (620275) | more than 8 years ago | (#13742564)

my god google, i already have a bunch of rss feeds on my personal homepage - how the fuck isn't there an option to instantly use those.

its same nonsense with google maps! why arn't my weather locations instant options for local searches on google maps!?

honestly, as handy as google is for finding stuff on the rest of the web, each part of its emerging web-platform seems completely incapable of acknowledging the other.

I used this a couple of hours ago, strangely... (1)

Wisgary (799898) | more than 8 years ago | (#13742573)

...before it was posted on slashdot or anywhere else, I had decided to check out labs.google.com and saw it, when I tried it out it was pretty fast, so the slowness == /. effect.
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