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DARPA Grand Challenge Updates

Zonk posted more than 8 years ago | from the good-luck-folks dept.

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Red Team writes "Today is the day. The official race route for the DARPA Grand Challenge was released to the first five teams at 4:00AM PST this morning. Our race planners are pouring over the race route getting ready for the launch. H1ghlander will start first at sunrise, around 6:15AM PST, followed by Stanford and then Sandstorm. For real-time updates on the race, you can track the Red Team race-day blog or catch the webcast on the official Grand Challenge page." Update: 10/08 20:57 GMT by Z : USSJoin writes "Stanford Racing, home of Stanley, has just finished the 131.2 mile DARPA Grand Challenge course. Considering that the CalTech Vehicle (Alice) jumped off the track toward onlookers only 8.3 miles in, this demolition derby-meets-AI demo has certainly been exciting."

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energy is liberated through blasphemy (-1, Troll)

Anonymous Coward | more than 8 years ago | (#13747062)

Jehovah fucking Yahweh, I curse you in the name of Satan the Almighty. Evil lives in me and I walk with Satan all the days of my life cursing and mocking you god (the dog), filthy fucking maggot. My hate grows by the second as I dream of the day when you are under my feet begging for my cock.

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in your ears to come to earth and in this room for I will have my way with you, oh most cursed god of heaven (you foul piece of shit). Satan is my God and he will force you to drink cum from my dick. I will never stop sinning and blaspheming your name, presents, existence, and most of all the rotten, putrid holy spirit that fucked the mother of gOd and pregnanted that slut with jesus christ.

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I'm so consumed with hatred of you that I will masturbate, and when I feel that I'm about to cum, I force my evil cock full of Satan's cum down your mouth and fill it up with my vile hot cum. I will be pumping your body full of my hot cum. Inside your brain is my blasphemy. The pressure in your skull begins push through your eyes,
burning your flesh, and I laugh as it drips away. Heat burns your skin; your mind starts to boil with my blasphemy, and pure evil hatred of your fucking existence. You will not last long; it's just a matter of time until your ripped apart with my hands. You will be floating in a sea of your blood, smelling your death as it burns. My wicked cum is deep inside you as I skin you. You're eyes will bleed as you pray to me for the end of you're wide-awake nightmare. Waves of pain rap around you're soul, death is staring down at you, your blood is draining fast as I'm injecting hatred into your soul, and dying heart, with wicked sweet Blasphemy and hot cum. The demons are dancing with the thought of you in hell. Pathetic god "dog" how does it feel, you're dieing and I'm celebrating your
pain. I live to hurt and defile you the rancid god of heaven. Satan is calling you're cursed name, Satan takes you're soul dear god, and raps his cock around it. In my hand is you're heart and my cock is resting on it. I can't wait any longer so I cum inside your heart bursting it apart with my explosion of evil vile cum. I crush what is left of your heart into the dirt. The dog god is finally dead and he is burning brightly in hell as cum drips down my leg.

IN SOVIET RUSSIA (-1)

Anonymous Coward | more than 8 years ago | (#13747064)

Cars drive you!

IN FACIST AMERICA (0, Funny)

Anonymous Coward | more than 8 years ago | (#13747147)


the goverment use only the brightest children to design military hardware

Now all we need... (-1, Offtopic)

squoozer (730327) | more than 8 years ago | (#13747082)

...is a time machine, some bad 80's special effects and a big guy with a difficult to pronounce name and we can have ourselves judgement day.

Re:Now all we need... (-1)

Anonymous Coward | more than 8 years ago | (#13747250)

...is a time machine, some bad 80's special effects and a big guy with a difficult to pronounce name and we can have ourselves judgement day.


Silly me... I thought we needed some bad 80's special effects, a guy with a big mustache, and some kung-fu dude in a Subaru, and we can have ourselves a real race.

Popular Science has most recent updates (4, Informative)

technoextreme (885694) | more than 8 years ago | (#13747086)

http://www.popsci.com/popsci/darpachallenge/1b7a1e 7eef0d6010vgnvcm1000004eecbccdrcrd.html [popsci.com] Apparently, the teams all ready have traveled four times as far than last year. It is great progress for a year.

Re:Popular Science has most recent updates (2, Interesting)

Capt'n Hector (650760) | more than 8 years ago | (#13747097)

Is this because they've been perfecting technology (no doubt they have) or because DARPA has chosen an easier route?

Re:Popular Science has most recent updates (1)

technoextreme (885694) | more than 8 years ago | (#13747129)

Is this because they've been perfecting technology (no doubt they have) or because DARPA has chosen an easier route?
Im not entirely sure. DARPA did make sure that they the most easiest solution (GPS) would fail and that the robots would have to rely on some other method of navagation.

Re:Popular Science has most recent updates (1)

mroch (715318) | more than 8 years ago | (#13747151)

I read that the course is actually harder this year, but I'm not sure where I saw it.

Re:Popular Science has most recent updates (4, Informative)

mroch (715318) | more than 8 years ago | (#13747245)

Found it, on the Grand Challenge home page: "Kurjanowicz also said that the course 'is tough, tougher than last year,' but added: 'The vehicles are better, smarter. That's why we held the NQE [National Qualification Event],' he said. 'We wanted to make sure they are capable of completing the course."

Re:Popular Science has most recent updates (2, Informative)

macklin01 (760841) | more than 8 years ago | (#13747162)

From [cnn.com]

It's one of two entries by Carnegie Mellon. The other, a modified red Humvee dubbed Sandstorm, took third position in the trials. It was the best performer in last year's race despite covering only 7 1/2 miles of the 150-mile course. The exact route of Saturday's race will be kept secret until two hours before start time, but organizers have said it will begin and end in Primm and is expected to be more difficult than last year while covering as many as 175 miles.

So, it's a bit shorter (by 18 miles), but expected to be more difficult. -- Paul

Re:Popular Science has most recent updates (2, Funny)

Anonymous Coward | more than 8 years ago | (#13747177)

Every team has managed to make it past the point traveled last year - except for one. The MITRE Meterorites, who in one hours and seven minutes traveled a total of 0 miles. I'll bet you they can at least double that next year. :) I have to wonder how they managed to qualify for this round if they weren't even able to leave the starting line.

(MITRE is probably best known as "that contractor who decided that Windows NT should run that battleship that was stranded when Windows NT BSODed on its test run".)

Re:Popular Science has most recent updates (3, Informative)

Jay Carlson (28733) | more than 8 years ago | (#13747684)

(MITRE is probably best known as "that contractor who decided that Windows NT should run that battleship that was stranded when Windows NT BSODed on its test run".)

Cite? MITRE [wikipedia.org] didn't exist when the final US battleship [wikipedia.org] was built, nor did MIT Lincoln Labs [wikipedia.org] . I suppose the MIT Radiation Laboratory [wikipedia.org] was contemporaneous in 1944, but I expect their expertise in OS recommendations was limited. I suppose this lack of knowledge of operating systems is excusable as there weren't any operating systems.

Oh, you mean the USS Yorktown [wikipedia.org] ? That's a guided missile cruiser, and back in the old days the hull would have been called a destroyer, before the Navy decided to change the nomenclature. Little bit of a difference between a destroyer hull and a battleship, but hey, AC abuse is par for the course.

As much I relish the image of some poor ensign yelling, "Screen's blue, SIR!", nobody seems to think this was an OS-level crash. [ncl.ac.uk] And most of the google hits I can find on "navy smart ship mitre" point to things like Think Outside The COTS [mainframemigration.org] . Scrolling down to Figure 1, there's a list of potential pitfalls of commercial-off-the-shelf software.

If this seems familiar, you've been a slashdot reader for a few years: MITRE Corp. Report On Open Source In Government [slashdot.org] .

Re:Popular Science has most recent updates (1)

harlows_monkeys (106428) | more than 8 years ago | (#13748027)

MITRE is probably best known as "that contractor who decided that Windows NT should run that battleship that was stranded when Windows NT BSODed on its test run".)

Nonsense. There was no BSOD. What happened was that the system was using a client/server architecture. An application program on the server was given invalid data from an operator on a client, and divided by zero. That caused the application to exit, just like it would have on any other operating system, such as Linux.

While I personally would not use Windows in this application, Windows had absolutely nothing to do with this problem.

Racing against the clock (1)

epgandalf (105735) | more than 8 years ago | (#13747099)

H1lander, Stanley, and Sandstorm are all moving at about the same speed. It is like their plans are all the same. Maybe they are all moving at the course limits. Anybody know?

No webcast (2, Informative)

mpn14tech (716482) | more than 8 years ago | (#13747112)

Unfortunately there is not a publicly accessible webcast of the race like last year. I was quite disappointed at that.
Still it is amazing how well the race is going this year. I hope there will be more races with greater challenges.

Re:No webcast (2, Funny)

pallmall1 (882819) | more than 8 years ago | (#13747354)

Even without a webcast, it's better than this year's OU vs Texas game.

We need a Google Maps Hacker (3, Interesting)

Maddog Batty (112434) | more than 8 years ago | (#13747114)

Can someone combine Google Maps with the XML here: http://www.grandchallenge.org/data/location.xml [grandchallenge.org]

Re:We need a Google Maps Hacker (1)

pooya (878915) | more than 8 years ago | (#13747286)

Speed info: http://www.pooyak.com/utils/dgc2005/ [pooyak.com] Google map should be easy too. I may give it a shot.

Re:We need a Google Maps Hacker (4, Informative)

aerodyno (221210) | more than 8 years ago | (#13747343)

Here's an Excel spreadsheet that displays that data and automatically updates every minute (it's a start)

http://www.cs.princeton.edu/~savraj/gc-live.xls [princeton.edu]

Re:We need a Google Maps Hacker (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 8 years ago | (#13747524)

Re:We need a Google Maps Hacker (2, Informative)

vespazzari (141683) | more than 8 years ago | (#13747582)

Here are the close up sattalite pictures from google maps of all the waypoints on the route information section of the darpa site.
Grand Challenge [grandchallenge.org]
2004 DEG Milestone, waypoint a [google.com]
Railroad overpass, waypoint b [google.com]
Lucy Gray Mountains, waypoint c [google.com]
Roach Lake, waypoint d [google.com]
Sheep Mountain, waypoint e [google.com]
Jean Lake, waypoint f [google.com]
Railroad underpass, waypoint g [google.com]
northern tunnel, waypoint h [google.com]
Southern tunnel, waypoint i [google.com]
jean, waypoint j [google.com]
Beer Bottle Pass, waypoint k [google.com]

Re:We need a Google Maps Hacker (5, Informative)

pooya (878915) | more than 8 years ago | (#13747652)

Kinda late, but here it is. Map is working: http://www.pooyak.com/utils/dgc2005/ [pooyak.com]

Mod Parent Up (1)

Maddog Batty (112434) | more than 8 years ago | (#13747679)

Well cool. Thanks.

This is amazing!!!!!! (0, Troll)

Bootle (816136) | more than 8 years ago | (#13747119)

Maybe one of them will actually finish this time?

Re:This is amazing!!!!!! (1)

daegol (52152) | more than 8 years ago | (#13747164)

Nah, they have yet to encounter Beer Bottle Pass. We all know what's going to happen there.

Re:This is amazing!!!!!! (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 8 years ago | (#13747224)

I sure hope we get to see some video of that.

"Toonces, look out!!"

Wartime Bandaids (4, Interesting)

jarrettwold2002 (601633) | more than 8 years ago | (#13747124)

This is just amazing. In the press UAV's have been getting the vast majority of the press about automating the battlefield. However, Red Team (1 & Too) along with Stanford are really showing that the feasibility of sending autonomous bot's into a harsh environment is feasible.

In the first Iraq war, long supply lines made the support infrastructure a direct target. However, with an automated force it's a slowly dawning reality for the first time, to remove a vast majority of the human element of danger out of resupply missions, and rescue missions.

Need an emergency evac, or resupply hop on to "BattleNet" (heh heh BnetD) and order up a insanely up armored rescue vehicle, or order up a munitions, rations convoy.

In ten years time, this technology is going to lay a good amount of major military doctrine about logistics to waste and redesign.

I don't see it happening (1)

AnonymousYellowBelly (913452) | more than 8 years ago | (#13747324)

I have not seen robots managing with ease and RELIABILITY even mildly unstructured portions of the world. I wouldn't trust a 3 ton vehicle to the Mars Pathfinder's 'brains', for example.
Also, there are cost issues. Manned supply lines could be safer if you invested money (armour, more soldiers, aerial support, etc.), and maybe it is less than the cost of having an autonomous fleet of vehicles that will not be 'fool' proof.

Re:Wartime Bandaids (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 8 years ago | (#13747463)

In ten years time, this technology is going to lay a good amount of major military doctrine about logistics to waste and redesign.

You couldn't be closer to the truth, except if you had read that :
Indeed, the military is pushing for more machines in combat to minimize the loss of lives and to save money as well. By 2015, Congress wants one-third of all military vehicles to be unmanned.

One of the numerous sources here [thomasnet.com]

How exactly? (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 8 years ago | (#13747580)

In ten years time, this technology is going to lay a good amount of major military doctrine about logistics to waste and redesign.


hmm, not so sure about that. logistics is stil hauling stuf from where you have it to where it is needed, and you have limited resources to do that. What does it matter that there is a computer in the drivers seat instead of a soldier?
Even in wars where one of the parties had bodies to spare (vietcong anyone?) this did not make a significant difference to the problems of logistics. You are just swappinig one problem with the other.

What good is a truck in the middle of the road with a broken part, if you compare it to a manned truck with an emerency repairs kit? Dreaming of armadas of autonomous vehicles is nice, but unless they are made in china, it will cost way too much to buy them.
Or alternatively let those soldiers that are otherwise totally unproductive, produce something to do something unproductive more efficiently.

But they will make for more spectacular fireworks. Instead of blowing up one ammunitions truck at a time, 'the insurgents' can just plant a bomb on the vehicle and blow it up when it has reached it's destination. Smart ammunitions indeed.

Re:Wartime Bandaids (1)

MichaelSmith (789609) | more than 8 years ago | (#13747856)

In ten years time, this technology is going to lay a good amount of major military doctrine about logistics to waste and redesign.

Well maybe but I can forsee smart enemy engineers disabling and reprogramming unmanned vehicles for their own purposes.

Re:Wartime Bandaids (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 8 years ago | (#13747974)

A question, wouldn't an autonomous supply chain be considerably EASIER to disrupt than one driven by human beings? 'Insurgents' (being human beings themselves) are always going to be smarter than your autonomous vehicles.

UAVs work because most 'insurgents' don't have sufficient firepower to knock them down and in all of the modern US wars we've seen the US dominates the airspace.

However a ground vehicle would seem to be a considerably easier target.

It just all seems part of the US fetish for replacing humans with technology in order to reduce human casualties, which in themselves are tragic but even worse for your PR when you're trying to wage an ethically bankrupt war in a foreign nation.

First races...then the WORLD!! (3, Funny)

Druox (911165) | more than 8 years ago | (#13747138)

Sure, they're all just happy cars driving a fun race...until they rule us all!!
I, for one, welcome our four-wheel and rear-wheeled drive overlords, and pledge my allegiance to Emperor Camry.

Re:First races...then the WORLD!! (1)

Jozer99 (693146) | more than 8 years ago | (#13747222)

Camry is front wheel drive.

Re:First races...then the WORLD!! (1)

gardyloo (512791) | more than 8 years ago | (#13747435)

Camry is front wheel drive.

      The autonomous ones go backwards.

Bolo (1)

Hungry Admin (703839) | more than 8 years ago | (#13747339)

This means that we are quite a bit closer to the Bolo envisioned by Keith Laumer. Of course, we are nowhere near the Mark XXX CSR.

As it has been throughout history, the next war will be completely different, and yet the same.

The Auto Wars (1)

TheAdventurer (779556) | more than 8 years ago | (#13747180)

Looks like the war between GMC and Ford could someday take on a whole new dimension. :o

Live video feeds? (1)

ShawnDoc (572959) | more than 8 years ago | (#13747185)

Last year they provided live feeds of the event. I can't seem to find any for this year, anyone if one exists?

Re:Live video feeds? (1)

Thats_Pipe (837838) | more than 8 years ago | (#13747208)

Well, considering no car got past 8 miles last year, I guess the figured "Why bother?"

Re:Live video feeds? (2, Informative)

mroch (715318) | more than 8 years ago | (#13747287)

There is a webcast on campus here (Carnegie Mellon):

"A live Webcast of the Oct. 8 Grand Challenge through the Mojave Desert will be shown on campus in Breed Hall in Margaret Morrison Carnegie Hall.

"The Webcast will begin at 9 a.m. and end at 6:30 p.m. Breakfast will be served from 9 to 11 a.m. and lunch from 12:30 to 2:30 p.m."

http://www.cmu.edu/cmnews/extra/050927_redteam.htm l [cmu.edu]

Re:Live video feeds? (1)

Somegeek (624100) | more than 8 years ago | (#13747523)

What the heck plugin do I need to install to get breakfast via webcast ?!?!?!?!

Re:Live video feeds? (1)

Tablizer (95088) | more than 8 years ago | (#13747577)

Last year they provided live feeds of the event. I can't seem to find any for this year, anyone if one exists?

so that we can slashdot the cars, yeah!
   

Sensors sensors sensors (0)

CrazyJim1 (809850) | more than 8 years ago | (#13747199)

I think this challenge is good to try and spur good sensors to be developed, but in the end I think the whole thing needs a lot of luck on its part. Sure you can map a route in GPS, and tell a car to drive it(basically what most the entries are doing), but to avoid all the obsticles, you either need sensors from the future, or you need a lot of luck. The R&D that needs to go into these next gen sensors is in the billions, so I don't think 2 million prize money is going to pay for it. My guess is that some team will accomplish this route in the next 20 years, but it will be attributed to them being lucky and not hitting obsticles.

Re:Sensors sensors sensors (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 8 years ago | (#13747215)

No, this has nothing to do with luck. The machines that will win this challenge have consistently produced similar results in testing.

Re:Sensors sensors sensors (3, Informative)

mroch (715318) | more than 8 years ago | (#13747216)

Did you read anything about this? The course is specifically designed to prevent teams from relying solely on GPS by making them go through tunnels where they will lose their signals. Many of the bots have cameras, lasers, radar, etc.

Re:Sensors sensors sensors (1)

epgandalf (105735) | more than 8 years ago | (#13747219)

As of now, 3 teams have gone over 100 miles and 11 other teams are still going. I don't think any of the people on those teams would attribute their success to luck. Teams will complete the course today.

Re:Sensors sensors sensors (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 8 years ago | (#13747555)

As of now (1 hour after your post) there are still 7 teams competing, and 3 over 110 miles (finish line is at 132 miles from start).
Given their speed, the 4 other teams seem unlikely to complete the course within the 10 hours time limit.

Re:Sensors sensors sensors (2, Interesting)

Maddog Batty (112434) | more than 8 years ago | (#13747227)

They are a lot more clever than you think they are. The qualification event was all about avoiding obstacles that were in the way and had sections with no GPS coverage.

A couple of teams are using stereo cameras to find there way around but the vast majority are using SICK scanning laser range finders. They show you where things are over short distances which enables you to avoid obstacles at low speeds. Red Team are also using radar to be able to detect obstacles at greater distances to enable higher speeds. Unfortunately, it doesn't pick up everything. However data fusing everything together (GPS, INS, Radar, Lidar + others) allows you to move at modist speeds using current tech. Luck is always useful but technology is what is being used today.

Luck has nothing to do with it ! (2, Interesting)

timeToy (643583) | more than 8 years ago | (#13747235)

Welcome to the future ! The time now is 11h45am PST, I can predict that several cars are going to finish the course this year, one might have been luck, 3 or 4 for is not. Sensors, but more than that, the actual programs that run the car is the key here. Heck even my own personal Lego Mindstrom creations can navigate their way inside my home ! mmm I may enlist a Lego based car bot next challenge !

Re:Luck has nothing to do with it ! (1)

NightLamp (556303) | more than 8 years ago | (#13747767)

Hey hey, Team Stanford has completed the course! well done!

Re:Sensors sensors sensors (1)

LnxAddct (679316) | more than 8 years ago | (#13747838)

Wow you are clueless. Just using cameras alone, computers can avoid obstacles fairly well. Throw in other sensors and range measurement equipment and they can do it extremely well, better than a 70 year old driver could aovid obstacles. That tells you something. Read Stanford's site [stanfordracing.org] , as of this time they've already completed the course. These cars have to avoid lots of things from bushes and cones to having to figure out how to avoid rivers and cliffs and mountains. Sure the general course is given to them, but when you drive to the local store, directions are also given to you, big deal. These cars are mapping the world in real time and using various analysis techniques, figuring out the best way to get from point a to point b at the safest maximum speed while maneuvering. These robots aren't just driving on flat roads like you imply, and they are also constantly surrounded by dirt clouds.
Regards,
Steve

TGDaily.com also has a blog up (5, Interesting)

not5150 (732114) | more than 8 years ago | (#13747229)

http://www.tgdaily.com/2005/10/08/darpagrandchalle nge2005/ [tgdaily.com]
With pictures :)

Most interesting one so far is when Caltech's Alice charged through a k-rail, knocking it over and then started up a berm towards reporters. It was E-Stopped just a few feet away from hitting the media.

Re:TGDaily.com also has a blog up (2, Funny)

ikkonoishi (674762) | more than 8 years ago | (#13747378)

Good thing they stopped it before it tasted human blood. If it had we would have never stopped its killing rampage.

Re:TGDaily.com also has a blog up (1)

Tablizer (95088) | more than 8 years ago | (#13747414)

Most interesting one so far is when Caltech's Alice charged through a k-rail, knocking it over and then started up a berm towards reporters. It was E-Stopped just a few feet away from hitting the media.

If I was a car and I went crazy, I think I would munch the media also.

Some speculation is that a dust cloud confused it. Next year maybe they want to include a dust detector such that if lots of dust is detected, to procede with caution. I am surprised they don't use feeler-like wires that stick out a few feet such that if it encounters a rock or berm, it stops. However, I imagine such may also entangle on brush.
             

Re:TGDaily.com also has a blog up (1)

Chrispy1000000 the 2 (624021) | more than 8 years ago | (#13747455)

I don't think that the feeler-like wires would be so great for pedestrians...

any of the contestants here? (4, Interesting)

Edmund Blackadder (559735) | more than 8 years ago | (#13747236)

During last years challenge all contestants were complaining that the thing was rigged in order to get the red team to win. I.e. there were last minute rule changes for which the red team was prepared for, but nobody else was, and some contestants said they had an operational system ready yet they were not allowed to compete.

I am not at all surprised of this, since the red team is sponsored by the major military contractors and we all know how they basicaly control military procurement.

But I was wondering if similar shenanigans were happening this time around. Any of the competitors care to comment?

Re:any of the contestants here? (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 8 years ago | (#13747290)

That does not make sense. We are talking about a cash prize of 1 million dollars (last years). What does winning one mil do for a defense contractor?

Could there be another explanation for the supposed favoritism?

Re:any of the contestants here? (2, Interesting)

mroch (715318) | more than 8 years ago | (#13747331)

Maybe it has nothing to do with favoring Red Team, and more to do with the fact that CMU has one of the top robotics and AI university programs in the world, teamed with defense contractors that should be expecting something like that, so they just happened to be more prepared...

Re:any of the contestants here? (2, Insightful)

Edmund Blackadder (559735) | more than 8 years ago | (#13747342)

"That does not make sense. We are talking about a cash prize of 1 million dollars (last years). What does winning one mil do for a defense contractor?"

nobody really cares about the 1 million ... they care about the contracts that will start flowing after a succesful vehicle has been made, and the army orders 50 000 autonomous trucks. It is obvious that the winner will be the one that is favoured to get the contract.

Re:any of the contestants here? (5, Interesting)

Animats (122034) | more than 8 years ago | (#13747363)

As a team leader of one of the teams eliminated at the NQE [overbot.com] , I didn't see any visible favoritism by the DARPA staff. The teams that went to Primm are the teams that should have gone.

Funding is more of an issue. Teams were supposed to have no Government funding whatsoever, either direct or indirect. Yet MITRE had a team, and they're a quasi-governmental agency. [nara.gov] CMU has received DARPA robotics contracts for years, as has Stanford. Red Whittaker of the CMU team is still the principal investigator on a NASA grant (#NAG5-12890) until February 2006. Stanford used software developed under DoD contract, although anyone can download it and they asked DARPA for permission. It's more of a revolving-door issue than direct diversion of Government funds.

But the real incentive for the big university teams was fear. If Joe's Auto Parts fielded a better robot than some university getting $20 million a year in robotics funding from DARPA, DARPA might well pull the plug on the school. CMU faced that prospect; originally, they weren't going to enter the Grand Challenge at all. The whole Grand Challenge was created because of unhappiness at DARPA with the rate of progress in mobile robotics. DARPA has been pouring robotics money into CMU and Stanford for thirty years, without getting much back. The head of DARPA, Dr. Tony Tether, decided that it was time to do something about that. It worked.

Re:any of the contestants here? (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 8 years ago | (#13747442)

Dunno about the others, but I bet these two [axionracing.com] aren't Slashdot readers.

Re:any of the contestants here? (1)

kd5ujz (640580) | more than 8 years ago | (#13747992)

If there is anyway for Cheney to profit from the red team, I will belive you.

Google Earth (1, Interesting)

Anonymous Coward | more than 8 years ago | (#13747237)

Here's the starting point in Primm,NV

  3537'8.83"N
11522'39.26"W

There's a small poor resolution band going across one section. The rest isn't bad though

Lovely image! (2, Informative)

HerrGoober (743280) | more than 8 years ago | (#13747308)

"Our race planners are pouring over the race route"

DARPA's site for status update, not team sites! (2, Informative)

vectorian798 (792613) | more than 8 years ago | (#13747311)

Here:
DARPA Grand Challenge 2005 [grandchallenge.org]

There is a map updated almost every minute automatically that will show you the position of all the teams and the times elapsed for each, etc. At the time of this post, Red Team Too, Stanford, and Read Team are all doing well, at 94+ miles each. Surprisingly, most of the teams are still in the running (that is, not eliminated). It is hard to compare one team to another however, because each team starts at a different time and perhaps the ones that are far behind are in the hardest part of the course and are thus moving slowly.

Re:DARPA's site for status update, not team sites! (1)

epgandalf (105735) | more than 8 years ago | (#13747333)

About 15 minutes ago, DARPA's web site listed the top three as having gone about 100 miles each, now it bumped their milage down by about 10 miles. Anybody else notice this?
At least they are still making progress on the map.

Re:DARPA's site for status update, not team sites! (1)

mroch (715318) | more than 8 years ago | (#13747340)

Yes, very strange.

Re:DARPA's site for status update, not team sites! (3, Informative)

Maddog Batty (112434) | more than 8 years ago | (#13747349)

There was a 10 mile error in the data from the start. Darpa corrected it which made it jump back as you noted. It is believed that the current data is more accurate read the thread here: https://dtsn.darpa.mil/grandc/forum/topic.asp?topi c_id=1652&forum_id=30&Topic_Title=Post+Time!&forum _title=Grand+Challenge+Event&M=False&S= [darpa.mil]

Soldiers: Yay!; Truckers: Boo! (3, Interesting)

Saeger (456549) | more than 8 years ago | (#13747350)

Last year the best car made it only 7 miles. This year all cars but one have made it at least 22 miles (so far), with three frontrunners past the 100mile mark (so far) and expected to finish.

Now that's some amazing progress.

This is great news for the soldiers soon to be removed the line of fire; "ominous" news for the millions of truckers and taxi drivers (in the US alone) who'll be quickly replaced over the next decade. [blogspot.com]

Re:Soldiers: Yay!; Truckers: Boo! (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 8 years ago | (#13747451)

Truckers and taxi drivers? I don't think so, not for a while.

These robots have made fantastic technological progress, but there are still a lot of factors involving driving normally on a road that the cars don't take into account. For the most part, the obstacles the cars deal with are static. Throw in other drivers in the loop, get a car to suddenly cut in front, and these vehicles will probably go ballistic.

Re:Soldiers: Yay!; Truckers: Boo! (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 8 years ago | (#13747514)

Looks like they changed their status board. So all but 1 car made it at least 7 miles, not 22.

Don't lose your focus (0, Offtopic)

Tablizer (95088) | more than 8 years ago | (#13747476)

One contestant seems to have veered off course [atomic-pigeon.net] to hump a rock.

Down to three teams, approaching 1000 foot drop (2, Informative)

Animats (122034) | more than 8 years ago | (#13747626)

Ten miles to go, three entries (Stanford and both CMU vehicles) are close together, with Stanford well in the lead. Now approaching the section with the one-lane dirt road with the 1000 foot drop on one side. Is there a live video feed of this area anywhere?

Re:Down to three teams, approaching 1000 foot drop (1)

Animats (122034) | more than 8 years ago | (#13747704)

Stanford's vehicle is through the last hard section and out of the mountains.
It's all straight, flat power line road to the finish now. Four miles to go.

Stanford racing team has won... (3, Informative)

Harry Balls (799916) | more than 8 years ago | (#13747689)

...with their entry "Stanley", a modified VW Tuareg.

Total time: 7 hours, 8 minutes for a distance of 132 miles, which amounts to an average of 18.5 mph.

Re:Stanford racing team has won... (2, Informative)

Torrenc (669412) | more than 8 years ago | (#13747766)

Err, no. They just finished with a time of 7h 28m. Maybe you mistoke the 125 mile line on the status board on http://www.grandchallenge.org/ [grandchallenge.org] for the finish?

Re:Stanford racing team has won... (2, Informative)

deblau (68023) | more than 8 years ago | (#13747777)

Red Team Too is the closest to the finish line, but they're over Stanley's time. Red Team (One) is at Stanley's time now, and they're up in Beer Bottle Pass, 7 miles from the finish. I don't know about adding penalty time, but it looks like Stanley has won.

Re:Stanford racing team has won... (3, Informative)

Xerotope (777662) | more than 8 years ago | (#13747858)

It's not so much an issue of adding penalty time, but subtracting pause time.

Both Stanford and Sandstorm have been paused several times to prevent them from running into the back of H1ghlander. It seems the roads are too narrow in most places to allow passing to occur, hence they stop the rear robot to allow a safe following distance to accumulate. The time the robot is in pause state does not seem to be taken into account in the unofficial results on the grandchallenge.org site.

Re:Stanford racing team has won... (1)

deblau (68023) | more than 8 years ago | (#13747934)

Just out of curiosity, but why should they have to pause them at all? I'd want a real autonomous vehicle to be able to dodge moving targets directly in front of it, especially ones going in the same direction and slower than it is. Or was that simply beyond the scope of the challenge?

Re:Stanford racing team has won... (1)

LauroMoura (750634) | more than 8 years ago | (#13747958)

After last year's results, I believe they thought it would be too much asking for this.

Re:Stanford racing team has won... (1)

eh2o (471262) | more than 8 years ago | (#13748009)

Well there are some rather thorny logistical issues; e.g., if two bots collided then it would be unfair to the one which was not "at fault"; also there is a chase vehicle for every bot, so the chase vehicles would have to pass as well putting the passengers at risk as well. Maybe in the next grand challenge...

Re:Stanford racing team has won... (1)

LauroMoura (750634) | more than 8 years ago | (#13747800)

Actually they have finished first, but the race isn't over. There's a ticker on the official [grandchallenge.org] site: "The first car to finish is NOT necessarily the winner".

Re:Stanford racing team has won... (1)

ketamineX (253353) | more than 8 years ago | (#13747896)

First to finish isn't the winner since they don't all start at the same time.

Right now, the results are:

Red Team - 7h 55m - complete
Stanford Racing Team - 7h 58m - complete
Red Team Too - 8h 3m - complete

Still a few left but it looks like the Red Team 'won'. It's amazing that all 3 finishers were so close in time to complete. Just refreshed after preview and the times all shifted by a few minutes so results may vary.

see http://www.grandchallenge.org/ [grandchallenge.org]

Stanford team wins (1)

Animats (122034) | more than 8 years ago | (#13747756)

The Stanford team has won the DARPA Grand Challenge. Time was 7 hours, 26 minutes.

The two CMU vehicles have made it through the last tough parts, and they should finish in ten to fifteen minutes.

Four other teams are still running, but are too slow. None are halfway yet.

First across the finish line (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 8 years ago | (#13747778)

The Standford Racing Team, Team number 3, has made it to the finish line in approx 7hr 30 min.

Looks Like the Stanford team won (1)

vespazzari (141683) | more than 8 years ago | (#13747782)

From the darpa site http://www.grandchallenge.org/ [grandchallenge.org] it appears that the Stanford team's entry "Stanley" has complete the entire course in 7h28m. Although I cant seem to find anyone posting anything about it yet.

Stanford Racing Team! (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 8 years ago | (#13747784)

Stanford got this one on the bag!!! This is a very grand achievement!

Stanford WINS!!! (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 8 years ago | (#13747787)

it's across, and nobody is going to beat the time it got. average 17+ mph

Carnegie Mellon Team too Just finished. (1)

Dommo (870028) | more than 8 years ago | (#13747827)

They took second 8 minutes behind stanford.

Bug on the DARPA Status Board (1)

Petroglyph01 (590017) | more than 8 years ago | (#13747852)

It looks like there is a bug on the DARPA status board. For teams that have finished the race, it appears that the time is still being counted. e.g. Stanford finished at 7 hours and 26 minutes, but as of right now, the board reflects Stanford's time at 7:46.

Stanford and the two CMU teams have finished (2, Informative)

Animats (122034) | more than 8 years ago | (#13747890)

Stanford is about half an hour ahead on time, so they win. (The numbers on the DARPA tracking site are wrong; the clocks are still running for the teams that have finished.) Insight Racing, TerraMax, and the Grey team are still running, but they're not even half way and can't finish within ten hours.

So it's over.

Autonomous vehicles will never be a joke again.

CMU Red Team wins! (-1, Troll)

NightLamp (556303) | more than 8 years ago | (#13747891)

Wow what a race, after almost 8 hours of autonomous control, the Carnegie Mellon Red Team has won the Darpa Grand Challenge with a time of 7 hrs 54 minutes, a mere 2 minutes ahead of the Stanford Racing Team. This is very exciting, I was riveted to my flash player map updates! A great accomplishment DARPA again proves it's worth the money.

Re:CMU Red Team wins! (1, Informative)

Anonymous Coward | more than 8 years ago | (#13747910)

WRONG. Read parent posts before posting. You were obviously not that glued to the screen otherwise you would have noticed the clocks continuing despite Stanford finishing over half an hour ago. They also must account for various pause times, so although nothing is official, Stanford probably still won.

CMU 1st and 2nd? (1)

Snorpus (566772) | more than 8 years ago | (#13747914)

The Grand Challenge Status Board (as of 2125Z) shows Red Team, Red Team Too, then Stanford.

Is it time for a chorus of "Fight for the Glory of Carnegie!" ?

Re:CMU 1st and 2nd? (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 8 years ago | (#13747966)

That's because the website is badly coded.

Re:CMU 1st and 2nd? (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 8 years ago | (#13748001)

Actually I'm too harsh -- parts of the site are nicely done like the ability to go back and forth between map and leader board. But it's like they never expected anyone to complete the race and gave no thought to helping viewers gauge progress given different starting times. So times just continue to mount up, rather than stopping when you finish.

Note On DARPA Times (3, Informative)

Anonymous Coward | more than 8 years ago | (#13747991)

Just thought I would mention a bit about the "Live update" times on the DARPA Grand Challenge Site since everyone keeps referencing them and they haven't been worth a damn all day:

1 - The timers were started ~20 minutes before the bots took off for at least Red Team Too, Stanford & Red Team and never reset.
2 - The bots were sent out at 5 minute intervals in this order H1ghlander; Stanley; Sandstorm, but Sandstorms time as only been 2 minutes off Stanley's all day, hmmmm.
3 - As someone mentioned the official clock for each bot is stopped if it is ever paused by the chase truck but it is clear that since the clock for each of the current finishers is not stopped YET, that the "live update" times are not linked to this official timer.

So, unless someone is posting from Primm or DARPA has posted official finish time since I started this post we all should just sit tight till those times are out.

Although, since Stanley started second and finished first he is most likely the winner (no, I'm not from Stanford; actually from CMU).

Kudos to all those that competed and Congrats to those that finished!!
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