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Ubuntu 5.10 "Breezy Badger" Released

CmdrTaco posted about 9 years ago | from the meet-the-new-linux-star dept.

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An anonymous reader writes "Ubuntu 5.10 "Breezy Badger" has been released! Direct links for the US install iso or the US install torrent file." Update: 10/13 18:08 GMT by Z : has a look at the release, in-depth.

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released ... (4, Funny)

Anonymous Coward | about 9 years ago | (#13780736)

... or leaked?

Re:released ... (4, Funny)

ggvaidya (747058) | about 9 years ago | (#13780816)

And it's not just the OS itself ... I've heard from certain "sources" that the source code for the entire operating system can be downloaded from them evil BitTorrent programs!

Honest monopolists everywhere are cringing in their sleep ... somebody turn on the **AA-signal, quick!

Re:released ... (1)

paulwallen (825524) | about 9 years ago | (#13780845)

Same thing:)

'Leaked' for proprietary, 'Released' for Open Sourse.

Re:released ... (1)

TetryonX (830121) | about 9 years ago | (#13781061)

Leaked implies unintentional. This by all means is intentional.

Microsoft, whether or not they are releasing or leaking snapshots of Vista out, cannot say that they have released a copy of Vista out. That would imply that they would have to support the current operating system right now, even though it is in the development stage. If a business got ahold of a released version of Vista, and somehow were licencedly-entitled to do so, if they had a problem, microsoft would HAVE TO fix the problem, if that is part of their current support contract. However, since Microsoft has called it a leak, or at least will do so, businesses or other people who have support contracts with microsoft may receive support for the product until the product is actually released, but they are under no obligation to do so.

Re:released ... (1)

TetryonX (830121) | about 9 years ago | (#13781080)

Eh... I probably should have mentioned that the second part of the message was to address all flamers who will be like "zomg like m$ r3le4sed/l3aked v1sta".

Just attempting to prevent further leakage of the Vista topic into this one.

Um, released. Some impressions on the changes (5, Informative)

a.different.perspect (817184) | about 9 years ago | (#13780886)

I'm using it right now, and apart from a new splash screen that resembles the forums [] theme and the replacement of the GNOME foot with the Ubuntu logo in the top left corner, the most immediately obvious changes to the end user are the features introduced by GNOME 2.12. Namely, the menu editor, disks manager, clipboard daemon, Evince document viewer, drag-and-drop preview, type-ahead-find for Epiphany and GNOME's help browser, and so on. That stupid gedit focus bug is fixed. The switch from OpenOffice 1.1.3 to 2.0 (Beta 2) is a substantial one as well; xine 1.1 and AbiWord 1.1, unfortunately, were released too late Breezy's dev cycle and aren't included. Similarly, 5.10 has shipped with GStreamer 0.8, which is still unusable for video, so you'll want to install totem-xine over totem-gstreamer as soon as possible. Under the hood, Ubuntu is now using the 2.6.12 kernel, modular and GCC 4.0.1. Ubuntu has also updated their ATI fglrx drivers to 8.16.20, which gives a significant performance boost (from crap to less crap) for those cursed with ATI cards.
Overall, my end user impressions are that this is a worthy and welcome upgrade to my distribution of choice, but apparently I'm only really scratching the surface. According to the release notes [] , the major features of 5.10 are advanced thin client integration, an OEM installer, the Edubuntu project [] for deploying Ubuntu in schools, and Launchpad integration (" is the new infrastructure that Ubuntu and its derivatives use for translation, bug tracking, sharing code patches, fixes and technical support."). So, in short, I like what I'm seeing, but what I haven't seen looks even better.

Next release... (2, Funny)

mwvdlee (775178) | about 9 years ago | (#13780909)

Cunty Cat?

W00t (-1, Troll)

Anonymous Coward | about 9 years ago | (#13780739)

D/ling now:D

Why do we love Ubuntu (2, Interesting)

Your Anus (308149) | about 9 years ago | (#13780741)

OK. I give. What is so amazing about Ubuntu? Do they compile thier stuff with special options or have some whiz-bang installation program?

Re:Why do we love Ubuntu (1, Flamebait)

Abit667 (745465) | about 9 years ago | (#13780761)

We love Ubuntu because that's just the cool thing to do right now. I didn't find anything really amazing or cool with it, but of course that doesn't mean anything.

Re:Why do we love Ubuntu (5, Informative)

shadowknot (853491) | about 9 years ago | (#13780772)

Nothing really special about it when compared to Debian except that it seems to form a more focused and complete desktop installation. I must admit though, whenever I have installed it it's been perfect for use as a desktop machine for just browsing the web/checking email etc. Wouldn't install it for development though. On the subject of the install it's just a (very very) slightly streamlined version of the stock Debian NCURSES installer.

Re:Why do we love Ubuntu (5, Insightful)

emj (15659) | about 9 years ago | (#13780935)

I would say that ubuntu is perfect for developing, it leaves all the stupid configuring to the people who spend their life doing it and let us ordinary programmers not care about things those insignifaicant things. Since it commesout so often it's very seldom that you don't have an development library that you need, it somehow always seems to make it into the next version at just exatcly the right time.

Now Ubunutu isn't very good on installing games, if you want to do that go with Gentoo which IMHO actally has the best installation procedures for commercial games (demos).

Re:Why do we love Ubuntu (2, Interesting)

SnowDeath (157414) | about 9 years ago | (#13781031)

People are much better off with ubuntu for transgaming IMHO. Things just work. That's nice. I futzed around with Gentoo on the desktop for months and even have it on a server. I wont be doing that again. It's always nice when you emerge -u system and networking completely breaks on a production server :/ Of course it was fixed in 10 minutes, but still very uncool.

Gentoo *can* offer much better performance, however, most people that install Gentoo will never get a system more optimized or even as optimized as the default Ubuntu install will - or, if they do, they spent *huge* amounts of time trying to get things to work. Gentoo was a fun learning experience, but it is not a serious desktop or server distro.

Re:Why do we love Ubuntu (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 9 years ago | (#13780975)

Wouldn't install it for development though.

Why not?

Re:Why do we love Ubuntu (1)

bmsleight (710084) | about 9 years ago | (#13780780)

It just works. I've installed Breezy and of all ther Operating Systems I have ever installed it wins by a mile.

Problems: None

Boring when things just work.

Re:Why do we love Ubuntu (1)

zxnos (813588) | about 9 years ago | (#13781018)

It just works.

the last release didnt 'just work' on my notebook. keyboard doesnt always work, -it was funny, i typed my username durig setup then i couldnt type the password!- no wifi, oftentimes compressed files are reported as being empty, system slows the longer it is up. perhaps it is becuase i am using the x64 version. anyway, going to give this new release a shot.

Re:Why do we love Ubuntu (2, Informative)

jc42 (318812) | about 9 years ago | (#13781065)

It just works.

Not here. I have a several-years-old Dell box with an old RH installed, wasn't using it for much, so I decided to try Ubuntu. It seemed to be installing ok (though it's hard to spot error messages when they scroll off the top too fast to read). But when it settled down, all I got was a brownish-green screen with a typical pointer arrowhead in the center. That's all. It doesn't respond to anything on the keyboard, and the mouse doesn't move the arrow.

This is with the "live" CD. I also tried the "install" CD. This did demo that the keyboard and mouse work with Ubuntu, as I could use both of them during the prelim parts of the install. I got as far as the part about partitioning the disk, and can't get past that. It insists that I partition the disk, but nothing it shows me makes any sense. No info about the disk that it wants partitioned, and no matter what I select, it just leads back to that first screen about disk partitioning. After a few times around each path back to that screen, I gave up.

I suspect that they could use some filling out in their online troubleshooting stuff. I don't seem to find anything saying what to do when it behaves the way I see.

One thing curious is its remark that it won't repartition if there's already a linux installed. There is one installed, the old RH system. But it keeps insisting that I do some sort of partitioning, and won't advance past that point, not even if I tell it to accept the partitions. That just bounces me back to the first page about partitioning.

Anyone have a pointer to clues about installing it over an existing linux installation? Any way to say "wipe the disk and start from scratch"?

Re:Why do we love Ubuntu (5, Insightful)

Enahs (1606) | about 9 years ago | (#13780782)

Neither. The amazing thing about Ubuntu is that stuff just works, usually with little to no wankery.

Re:Why do we love Ubuntu (4, Interesting)

cloudmaster (10662) | about 9 years ago | (#13780807)

It should be noted that "stuff" includes a nice, functional desktop with programs and associations and sound and a whole bunch of "just use it" kind of feel. On most hardware, it's really impressive how well it manages to just make everything work - especially when one's used to "the old days" (I first installed Slackware circa 1995 - things like X and sound didn't really "just work"). Even today, though, it does a better job of post-install stuff working on more machines than Windows, IMHO.

Re:Why do we love Ubuntu (1, Informative)

Anonymous Coward | about 9 years ago | (#13780805)

Ubuntu is Linux for Human Beings, not Linux That Uses Very Optimized Compile Options For That Extra 0.1% Performance.

It does the big things (technical stuff) right, and the "small" things (smoothness of UI, user experience out-of-the-box) right. It has Ubuntu Manifesto that emphasizes the "human touch" and general friendliness towards others (also "small" things).

Re:Why do we love Ubuntu (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 9 years ago | (#13780842)

From the front page - "Ubuntu" is an ancient African word, meaning "humanity to others". Ubuntu also means "I am what I am because of who we all are". The Ubuntu Linux distribution brings the spirit of Ubuntu to the software world.

So if this is like the "we" as in slashdot crowd, it will yell at you every time you enter a command based on a presumption most of the time. It will also disregard and kill -9 commands that it feels are not in line with it's own agenda with the 'moddown' process. Also, if you run a query it will give you about 100 pages of data that may contain about 2 entries relevant to your | grep.

Maybe they should rethink this statement....

Re:Why do we love Ubuntu (3, Informative)

Marc D.M. (630235) | about 9 years ago | (#13780925)

If you've used Debian, you'll understand why we like apt-get and synaptic. If you haven't, I say try it out for a week, and see if you go back.

I originally arrived at the Ubuntu party back when "Warty Warthog" was the tune everyone danced to. I stepped in fresh from the Suse 9.0 party after being thrown out by bad Gnome support.

When I arrived (after installing WW on a 3rd partition), I was greeted by a desktop that had all the gnome/mac-ish looking fonts and everything seemed to be just SIMPLE. No need to wade through 2000 menus to figure what is already installed. And no more YAST.

Configuring the Synaptic thingy was easier this time than any previous experiences getting yast or yum/rpm to download packages and their dependencies. The closest I got to that on Suse was red-carpet/rug.

Ignoring all the hype (as hard as it is), I use Ubuntu because it works (like everyone else says).

I currently use Ubuntu "Hoary" as my main OS in daily work. I've been using it since the day it released. To upgrade I opened synaptic, changed the repository distribution labels from warty to hoary, hit save, hit the reload button, then click "mark all upgrades". After applying the selection, I switched workspace and went back to what I was doing before.


Re:Why do we love Ubuntu (5, Informative)

elebrin (844422) | about 9 years ago | (#13780943)

- Ubuntu is nice due it's quick install.
  - Features also tend to work immidately: I spent three months trying to get a TV tuner working in various Redhat/Fedora Core releases and it never worked properly.
  - The ubuntuguide is another great plus: it is possible to know very little about setting up a linux box, and get Ubuntu doing what you want it to quickly.
  - Debian package management (no more difficult then gentoo package management, without having to wait for it to compile)
  - 1 install CD instead of 3 to 6
  - A great community that makes this a distro one that anyone can eisily download, install, and set up; it is ideal for people who want to migrate, or even for more experenced people who don't want to spend 65% of their time maintaining the computer and the rest actually using it for work or play or whatever.

Now, if they had mplayer packaged such that it installed, and played DVDs correctly without as much effort (i.e. getting the source from the developers and manually compiling it, not that this is difficult, but it should be unneccessary), I would be happier.

Re:Why do we love Ubuntu (1)

WinDOOR (741468) | about 9 years ago | (#13780973)

I've been using Suse because it's the only distro I've had any luck with. I'm a windows guy trying to learn Linux but have some sort of ADD that keeps me from succussecfully making my way through a linux manual. (self diagnosis) I went to distrowatch on a whim last night (never been there) and saw the link to ubuntu. I said lets give it a shot and downloaded it. Fired up the test box and threw the disk in. What do you know, it just installed with little fanfare and only one disk, kind of like a standard xp/2000 install. Simple options to configure. It just worked on a shuttle box that both Suse and Fedora had problems installing on. The default installation is perfect for your casual user.
I've heard the Debian guys talking about apt, but have never had luck getting a Debian install going. (my fault not Debian) But the apt interface works so much better than rpm. (which I had no luck with also) I downloaded and installed Thunderbird via Apt and it loaded right up. I had to restart the computer get it to show on the menu though. I think I've found my distro to learn on.

Re:Why do we love Ubuntu (2, Funny)

NicolaiBSD (460297) | about 9 years ago | (#13780986)

The naked people artwork, obviously!

Because it Just Works (1)

HawkinsD (267367) | about 9 years ago | (#13780996)

I found a clapped-out old 600 MHz laptop with 256 Mb of RAM, running a weird AMD K6 processor.

Ubuntu offers a "server" install option, which creates a stripped-down no-desktop server machine. After a few REALLY SIMPLE install commands like apt-get install apache2 , I had a fully-operational Web and file server, which I could put in a closet and administer via ssh.

It just worked.

Re:Why do we love Ubuntu (1)

MyDixieWrecked (548719) | about 9 years ago | (#13781023)

I'm a bit of a Gentoo zealot (mostly because I run servers on older hardware (read:400-600mhz G3s, G4s, PentiumIII)), and I love Gentoo's package manager.

I kept hearing about this ubuntu thing and my curiosity was finally sparked when I couldn't get Gentoo to boot on this old-ass PCG-505tx Vaio laptop I found in the trash. Mandrake and Debian wouldn't boot, either, so I tried out Ubuntu. Ubunto's install disk booted without a hitch, but the LiveCD just hung (even when I disabled APIC).

the install was pretty damned good. It had several options. Server or linux, and standard or advanced installs for each. I tried the advanced, but some of the options were a little over my head (especially since I have no clue about the ins and outs of this stupid vaio).

Once installed, everything worked great. 64mb of RAM and a slow HD don't really help the gnome performance (I've never used gnome before... I'm a KDE cat, myself... or more frequently, blackbox.), and it's a little slow to do even the simplest things. xorg was misconfigured at first, though. I had to fiddle with the xorg.conf to get it to use the right resolution.

The only problem is that I can't get my PCMCIA ethernet card to work. It loads the modules and mii-tool communicates with it. ifconfig sets up, but the system isn't receiving packets. since I can't get online, or even on the network, I can't comment on ubuntu's package manager, but I believe it uses dpkg.

another cool thing is that I plugged in a USB thumb drive which has my ssh private key on it and some other misc crap, and ubuntu saw it and mounted it without a hitch. pretty damn impressive.

I generally don't use linux on the desktop unless I'm doing serious development, but if I did, I think I'd use ubuntu.

wow, that totally sounds like a testimonial advert. sheesh.

Re:Why do we love Ubuntu (2, Insightful)

Aim Here (765712) | about 9 years ago | (#13781073)

The major innovation of Ubuntu is that it has pictures of bright-eyed bushy-tailed cute young things holding hands and smiling at the camera on the homepage [] , after a few refreshing glasses of kool-aid, no doubt. Most Linux-based companies are very reticent about putting pictures of their userbase on the advertising propaganda, for very good reasons []

The Ubuntu folks seem to have have a similar corporate attitude to that Reiser dude or perhaps the MySQL people in their more touchy-feely moments, which may appeal to you, if you're the type of person who falls for bland and meaningless corporate platitudes written on glossy corporate brochures. Each to their own, I suppose

Otherwise, it's just a friendly debian-based distro...

Re:Why do we love Ubuntu (3, Informative)

Mjlner (609829) | about 9 years ago | (#13781099)

"OK. I give. What is so amazing about Ubuntu? Do they compile thier stuff with special options or have some whiz-bang installation program?"

It seems to me that you're not familiar with Debian. (?) Debian is a Linux distro which has often been praised for having very good software package tools, ie. tools you use to install software packages. Debian's APT was the first really good package tool, which is nowadays mimicked by eg. Fedora's Yum, but APT is still very popular and holds it's own against the alternatives. (APT is also available for Fedora, which IMO proves it's worth and popularity.)

The long standing problem with Debian, however, has been a very slow release cycle for the stable branch, meaning that if you want to use the newest and coolest software, you need to use the testing or the unstable branch. Many users are reluctant to use these branches, because you can easily break your system by installing software versions that do not mix together well. Eg. installing a new version of a library (DLL) might break several software packages dependant on an earlier version of that library.

Ubuntu leverages all the benefits of APT, but eliminates the problem with long release cycles by having two releases per year, enabling you to use the newest and hottest versions of all your favourite software. You don't need to wait for a new version to come out for longer than six months. This only in the rare case that the new version is released just after the latest Ubuntu release.

Upgrading to the newest version of Ubuntu is also quite easy. You edit a config file to refer to the newest release, issue the commands apt-get update and apt-get dist-upgrade and Bob's your uncle! Editing a config file might not be everybody's cup of tea, but I think there might bee GUI tools for this. I don't know, because I have no problems with config files.

great.... (-1, Troll)

xao gypsie (641755) | about 9 years ago | (#13780743)

And right on the heels of more vista nonsense...

Obligatory Simpsons Quote (1)

Professor S. Brown (780963) | about 9 years ago | (#13780829)

Homer: Where is Lisa? I want her to isntall a new operating system on my PC
Bart: Lisa is installing Ubuntu on your PC
Homer: I forgot about that. Where is Marge? Tell her I want her to install a new operating system on my PC
Bart: Marge is trapped under some rocks in the basement.
Homer: Doh!

Live cd ? USB/Flash stick version ? (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 9 years ago | (#13780748)

would be nice

Re:Live cd ? USB/Flash stick version ? (5, Informative)

Swampy0007 (761918) | about 9 years ago | (#13780812)

Well, if you insist on the livecds... Here is the x86 livecd [] or torrent [] . Here is the PowerPC livecd [] or torrent [] . Here is the AMD64 version [] and the torrent [] . Happy now?


werewolf1031 (869837) | about 9 years ago | (#13780911)

Those links are insanely useful. Already have one torrent rolling in at >150KB/sec. Hell, post 'em on /.'s front page for that matter! I know /. isn't entirely Linux-centric, but a huge chunk of users will appreciate seeing these all in one convenient place. At least give parent an Underrated or Interesting... throw the guy a frickin' bone, and do the rest of us a favor as well.

Please mod parent up! (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 9 years ago | (#13781005)

Thanks for the links :-)

Thank GOD. (1, Insightful)

Enahs (1606) | about 9 years ago | (#13780750)

Maybe in a month or two, people will stop bursting into #ubuntu and #kubuntu IRC channels asking "is Breezy released yet?" Now we can look forward to people bitching about the stability of, erm, whatever the new unstable version is. :-}

Re:Thank GOD. (1)

TetryonX (830121) | about 9 years ago | (#13780766)

That would be Dapper Drake.
Too bad Ubuntu's servers are taking a beating right now. Update manager is crying in pain because half of the repositories I had listed aren't responding anymore.

Something to do while downloading the ISO (5, Interesting)

cciRRus (889392) | about 9 years ago | (#13780754)

You might wanna read the review [] on Ubuntu 5.10 Breezy Badger, while you download the ISO.

Wake me up. (4, Funny)

Anonymous Coward | about 9 years ago | (#13780759)

Wake me up when the "Acneous Aardvark" version comes out, ok?

Kubuntu is also out. (5, Informative)

JabberWokky (19442) | about 9 years ago | (#13780768)

It would be nice to amend the post to note that this means that Kubuntu "Breezy Badger" is also available. They are, after all, a matched set: []


Re:Kubuntu is also out. (4, Insightful)

RAMMS+EIN (578166) | about 9 years ago | (#13780887)

Ditto for Edubuntu. I mentiod both, and a list of new feature highligts, in my submission, which got rejected. It would be nice if editors could add a reason for rejecting posts; it could help submitters write better stories in the future.

Re:Kubuntu is also out. (-1, Flamebait)

Anonymous Coward | about 9 years ago | (#13781008)

Why don't they drop the Gnome version of Ubuntu so everyone doesn't have to go to second site?

Re:Kubuntu is also out. (1)

nvivo (739176) | about 9 years ago | (#13781083)

Upgrading (4, Informative)

cloudmaster (10662) | about 9 years ago | (#13780771)

The poster forgot the <a href="bash:apt-get update;apt-get dist-upgrade">direct upgrade link</a>. :)

BTW, if you're looking for an easy to set up LTSP-based distro, Ubuntu's a good choice (IMHO).  The release candidates have been very good improvements over 5.04 - mostly in terms of (lots of) more subtle polish type things.

Re:Upgrading (-1, Troll)

Anonymous Coward | about 9 years ago | (#13780795)

WARNING Goatse link!

Re:Upgrading (1)

ggvaidya (747058) | about 9 years ago | (#13780846)

very good improvements over 5.04 - mostly in terms of (lots of) more subtle polish type things.

Thanks, but I'm not Polish. :P

What's a LTSP-based distro? Is that the terminal end of a dumb terminal? And why is Ubuntu particularly good for this, over Debian for instance? Sorry, but the website isn't very helpful ...

Re:Upgrading (1)

cloudmaster (10662) | about 9 years ago | (#13780989)

I meant a distro that provided LTSP stuff - Ubuntu finally has a nice, easy-to-use setup for an LTSP server and client. Given Ubuntu's strong tie with Debian, though, it's likely that Debian could be just as easy. When you use an Ubuntu server you get clients that work like Ubuntu, though - they get that same, nicely integrated desktop. You could always do the same thing by setting up LTSP or similar yourself, and having the display manager answer XDMCP broadcasts, etc - but all it takes on the most recent Ubuntu is installing the ltsp-server (and ltsp-server-utils, if you don't already have DHCP, tftp, etc) package and running "ltsp-build-client". I was impressed at how easily that worked, having set up diskless machines both with and without LTSP before.

There's apparently a minimal-like install option (other than "server") that sets an Ubuntu machine up as a client as well, in the event there's no netboot support or something like that, but I haven't tried that route or really looked into it.

And you don't need to have ancestors in Poland to appreciate the polish. :)

Re:Upgrading (1)

ggvaidya (747058) | about 9 years ago | (#13781100)

And you don't need to have ancestors in Poland to appreciate the polish. :)

Point taken, and thanks for the quick run-through :).

So, when will be updated? (4, Insightful)

Dr. Manhattan (29720) | about 9 years ago | (#13780778)

That site rocks. Got almost everything I could want set up very nicely. I probably won't even move up to 5.10 until Ubuntuguide is updated.

Re:So, when will be updated? (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 9 years ago | (#13780962)

The new breezy guide is actually included in the help documentation. I have not found the same guide online yet tho.

Don't like brown? (5, Informative)

Marc D.M. (630235) | about 9 years ago | (#13780781)

If you're not a big fan of the Ubuntu brown default theme, check out the Blended metacity theme [] and the nuoveXT icon set [] . They definetly add a 2005.10 (modern day) feel to the system.

Go Ubuntu!

Upgrade working? (4, Interesting)

B5_geek (638928) | about 9 years ago | (#13780783)

Will apt-get dist-upgrade update me to breezy or do I need to adjust my repos?
OR is a fresh install needed because of the gcc4.0 update?

what command can I type to see exactly what 'version' I am using right now?

Re:Upgrade working? (2, Informative)

lord_rob the only on (859100) | about 9 years ago | (#13780843)

Not sure about ubuntu, but I'm pretty sure you don't need a new install given that ubuntu is based on Debian SID. You know, when I first installed Sid, packages were compiled with gcc 2.95. Then Debian team changed their default compiler to gcc 3.2 then 3.3 then 4.0. I've never had to reinstall Debian at all, just apt-get update && apt-get upgrade. I've been using sid for more than three years now.

Re:Upgrade working? (2, Informative)

DoddyUK (884783) | about 9 years ago | (#13780852)

Will apt-get dist-upgrade update me to breezy or do I need to adjust my repos?

I adjusted my repos to Breezy (as opposed to Hoary) to be sure, although sudo apt-get dist-upgrade works fine for me. However, there's no repository for Breezy Backports yet, so leave your backports repo as Hoary.

I'm sure the guys at Ubuntu would have figured that a fresh install would have given their users serious headaches (especially with a system as customised as mine).

Re:Upgrade working? (5, Informative)

gers0667 (459800) | about 9 years ago | (#13780858)

If you apt.sources file is fairly stock, then just change every reference of "hoary" to "breezy"...

Then, just run sudo apt-get update, followed by sudo apt-get dist-upgrade. This takes a while, but once it is done, reboot to the new kernel and you are at breezy.

Re:Upgrade working? (2, Informative)

a.different.perspect (817184) | about 9 years ago | (#13780898)

Open /etc/apt/sources.list and replace the instances of "hoary" with "breezy". Then run sudo apt-get dist-upgrade. A big download later, and viola!

Anyone can install Ubuntu... (5, Funny)

Anonymous Coward | about 9 years ago | (#13780788)

...but will you do it at the top of a mountain? Check out the Extreme Ubuntu Install Challenge [] !

"On October 2, 2005, two good friends and I hiked up Middle Sugarloaf Mountain in the White Mountains region of New Hampshire. But this wasn't your typical hike; this hike had extreme geek value. For at the top of the mountain, I was going to install Ubuntu Breezy on my laptop.

To my knowledge, no one has ever accomplished such a feat in history. Probably, this is because no one would want to. I'd like to change that. Ubuntu geeks of the world, I challenge you - where can you install Ubuntu in an extreme environment? Has Ubuntu ever been installed on a skyscraper window-washing scaffold? On an active volcano? While standing on your head the whole time? Just think of the possibilities!

When you have a laptop, a mission, and no sense of social shame, anything is possible. What follows is one man's story of hardship and triumph, as he scales a mountain to install Ubuntu linux..."

Bloody amateurs (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 9 years ago | (#13780872)

> at the top of the mountain, I was going to install Ubuntu Breezy on my laptop

Bloody amateurs

Every geek worthy of the name has completed at least one lilo / linux install whilst pissed and/or stoned :-)

Re:Anyone can install Ubuntu... (1)

KiloByte (825081) | about 9 years ago | (#13780966)

I bet that machine didn't have a RAID on a Sil 3112a controller. That is, unless you are beefy enough to take the laptop, a tent and a lot of supplies onto that mountain.

Re:Anyone can install Ubuntu... (1)

SuperBanana (662181) | about 9 years ago | (#13781027)

For at the top of the mountain, I was going to install Ubuntu Breezy on my laptop.

Didn't use wireless, didn't bring any Ogg-Vorbis. Lame.

*ducks, runs for cover*

diet is important (4, Funny)

rishistar (662278) | about 9 years ago | (#13780791)

Let this be a lesson - Keep your badgers away from beans!!!

this rocks (2, Interesting)

fak3r (917687) | about 9 years ago | (#13780796)

Ubuntu has become my main desktop and laptop (iBook) distro of choice, beating out Gentoo last year. I just did a fresh install of 5.10 Monday on the iBook, and it's just so nice. On the workstation we've been tracking Breezy for about a month now, and the polish just keeps coming. Can't wait till they move on Daper, an am especially excited about it being supported for so many years; you can just feel the momentium.

Use whatever Linux distro you like, but if you're looking for one to change to, give this a shot, there's a reason there's so much good press about this company.

First Linux distro where... (2, Informative)

josh2112 (856384) | about 9 years ago | (#13780797)

...everything "just works", the first time, without massive twiddling of configuration files. Or at least Hoary Hedgehog did. This is the Linux distro I recommend first and foremost (Eric, time to switch to Linux buddy!), and 5.10 will definitely be going on my box this weekend.

Cool.... (2, Interesting)

Chanc_Gorkon (94133) | about 9 years ago | (#13780804)

Will I be able to just continue from the point I have been with the preview release? Anyone ran dist-upgrade and have it work yet??

Ubuntu by FAR has been the BEST Linux distro for me. I just want to work on it I don't want to have to compile a bunch of crap (Gentoo anyone) or put up with RPM dependencies (SuSe, Fedora, Red Hat and Madriva). RPM based distros may have yum and apt now, but Debian based distros do it right.

Pentium 3 (1)

Moby Cock (771358) | about 9 years ago | (#13780808)

I can get my hands on an 'old' P3 (about 1GHz) system for free. Would this distro be good? I've used mondern distros on older hardware before and I found they ran slow and I became frustrated with it.

I appreciate any nuggets of wisdom.

Re:Pentium 3 (1)

josh2112 (856384) | about 9 years ago | (#13780862)

I am running the previous version (5.04, Hoary Hedgehog) on a P3 800 MHz and it works quite nicely. One thing I would suggest is getting something 'lighter' than Gnome or KDE for the desktop. XFCE4 works great for me, has a modern look, but is small enough that it feels really snappy and responsive on old hardware. It's quite easy to install thru Synaptic.

Re:Pentium 3 (1)

mcewen98 (683829) | about 9 years ago | (#13780880)

I use ubuntu on an Althon 1gz with 512mb's of ram and it seems fast enough for a basic web server running drupal, mythtv backed with a hauppauge tuner, file server, running azureus, etc.

Gnome could be a bit snappier but it's still usable.

Re:Pentium 3 (1)

Dr. Manhattan (29720) | about 9 years ago | (#13780899)

I can get my hands on an 'old' P3 (about 1GHz) system for free. Would this distro be good?

I've got 5.04 running on a P3/450MHz, with 512MB RAM. Default stuff, Gnome and all. Works pretty darn well. Slower to boot than on my dual Athlon box, but runs nice and is pleasant for desktop stuff. Its the kids computer and they have fun with it.

(If you don't want the old system, can you send it my way? :-> )

Re:Pentium 3 (1)

Arsh79 (911253) | about 9 years ago | (#13780905)

as long as you have a lot of RAM: in my office I'm working on a 800Mhz Duron with 738MB of ram (and of course "Breezy") and it runs great!

GNOME is broken! (-1, Offtopic)

Anonymous Coward | about 9 years ago | (#13780817)

The problem is not the contributions. The problem is getting those contributions accepted by the maintainers.

Over the years I realized that the request of contributions is just a poor excuse to avoid conversations with the developers or users who want something to get changed.

Some stuff in gnome-vfs for example was so utterly broken that it wasn't touched for a really long time. There wasn't even a maintainer for it (only a guy who kept putting some stuff in there whenever it was needed). Now some other people seem to have taken over the maintainance of it and the process continues.

But within the GNOME development team I found out (due to own experience) that it's quite difficult if not highly impossible to get some ideas through or to convince a developer that a different approach would have been wiser or better. Not to say save a lot of time. But people kept using the broken components for years.

Even now not everything inside GNOME is sane or reliable and a lot of stuff seem to be reinvented over and over again. See DBUS for example or basic things like "specifications" as found on GNOME makes sound like it's a place for developers from GNOME and KDE to met and declare specifications but this is not always true since KDE had solved most of the necessary things that GNOME still urgently needs years before and their specifications and solutions are often by far better thought through and much more mature - and over the years proven that it also works practically and not just as concept.

For example you can compile KDE with a static prefix in say /opt/kde3 and later on you can move this entire directory to /usr/local/kde3 without the need to recompile anything. On GNOME we sill have the issue that every path is hardcoded inside the binaries so you can't move the entire location if necessary. One of the bad concepts of GNOME.

Another bad thing about GNOME is that the developers do have nice ideas at time but they lack the power or durability to make the changes or visions they have complete. GStreamer for example is indeed a nice technology and it somehow made it's path inside GNOME but still it doesn't feel like it's truly part of GNOME since some apps use it, others avoid using it and stick to xine. Now if these apps stick to xine then chances that GStreamer gets fixed and a whole part of GNOME is low.

Another thing is that plenty of the developers seem to have rotating focus on stuff. Today they work on this one, then tomorrow they focus on hacking on Mozilla or hack on 'dead ideas' they have that no one really takes serious so all the resources of working and fixing GNOME get's lost with playground stuff.

We all know that GNOME was meant to be a corporate desktop. But then a corporate desktop needs different resources and a different approach. Serious project leading is required, strict guidelines are required, and people with brains to enable them.

It can not be (now that the HIG as guideline exists for some years) that applications developer still ignore it. I don't care for third party stuff. But I do care for the important and key elements of GNOME software that should be a good example and follow these guidelines.

GIMP, DIA, Evolution, Abiword, Gnumeric only to name a few are in no way HIG conform. Some are, but others not. I filled in a bug for Gnumeric not long ago pointing the developer to the HIG v2.0 where it says that the Toolbar should obey the rules of Toolbar & Menus capplet (which is a core part of GNOME) unfortunately the bug was closed as not a bug and no further comments have been given to it.

Also printing is a necessary importand thing in GNOME imo and it can't be that I load up GThumb to print a *.gif file and it ends up in printing a totally black picture on a white sheet of paper, wasting nearly 1/3 of my black ink cartridge.

It's also inacceptable for a corporate desktop to have a document reader and viewer like Evince that prints a whole document correctly with correct fonts but as soon as I start printing one page out of it messes the fonts totally up (looks like monotype fonts when printed).

It's the release team to take care of what they include inside GNOME, if the stuff is still immature or not working properly then it should by all means be avoided for inclusion since it doesn't help anyone. GNOME is often claimed to be the desktop to get work done. But I often find myself to do more work in fixing stuff around GNOME rather than getting work done. Printing job applications usually ends the way that I switch into console and print over ghostscript using cups rather than trusting gnome-print or evince (which fault this is I don't know but a confirmed bugreport exists).

As a corporate desktop I urgently require reliable tools and I require these tools today and not - one day. Look DIA, Nautilus, Evolution and many other tools exists for years now and DIA is nowhere to be usable and I often tried giving them a helping hand which I got ugly repsonses from the maintainers.

This does help the corporate idea how ? In no ways does this help anything. I do find the "Tango Project" and "Better Desktop" to be a nice thing but I somehow got the feeling that it's just a reaction towards the plasma project that KDE offers.

Unfortunately in my opinion the KDE people do make a better figure with what they announce because most of the stuff they do works. Sure, not perfectly and sometimes you have quirks and other issues inside KDE as well but the tools exists to get work done. You don't need to think about does it print correctly. It simply does. You don't need to worry about Kivio or Umbrella not working correctly they simply do make a better shape than DIA for example.

KDE may look overwhelming complex and overloaded in the eyes of inexperienced people but in other peoples minds it looks just right and offers all the stuff one really needs without worrying.

I don't say that these things won't show up for GNOME one day but I can tell you from personal experiences that developing for GNOME is a nightmare.

As initially said you can easily move a final compiled KDE binary system from one dir to another and have the stuff work perfectly and perfectly find the datafiles. GNOME doesn't offer that.

KDE has objects for Toolbars. That is, if you put that Toolbar object in your window then you have all the aditional features for it as well such as editing Toolbars, such as the same height, same objects and same icons inside. GNOME unfortunately doesn't offer that, every application looks differently, look at VMWare for example which is using GTK+ now. Look at the Menu it has a draghandle, now look in what GNOME or GTK+ apps exists that have a draghandle there ? It uses GTK+ - yes but it feels differently.

The HIG for GNOME sounds like a joke and if you point people with the finger on the HIG and say 'hey would you please adopt these things' then you get a response telling you that the HIG is incomplete or lacks thought in these areas and so they can not apply the HIG to their app - which imo is a bad excuse. The HIG is meant so people follow guides, but not meant that people do change the HIG so it fits the applications (developers) bad excuses.

The computer is a toy that you should use but not have the computer use you (to explain the HIG situation a bit differently).

Now if you count all the stuff together that I mentioned (RB, GStreamer, Evolution, Nautilus, broken gnome-vfs, Toolbar issues, and many more (and I bet you found tons of annyances on your own and again others do so too)) then all these annoyances summed up results in the conclusion that GNOME is not well thought through and way behind it's competition.

Good marketing surely helps and a site such as who regularey promote GNOME and ignore KDE (on purpose) may help GNOME too (and money stuffed in the throaths of those news sites help too) but in reality this is all masquerading and not really helpful. If people want to live behind lies and accept these to be ok then be it like this but it's not my way of thinking.

Sure this is all about open source and everyone can do whatever he want's but we talk about a corporate desktop here.

About KDE's complexity again. It's complex because they offer complex stuff.

For example a certificate manager, IDE, Webdevelopment, Games, Education stuff (with useful things inside like maths, vocabulary and so on), UML, Fax Software, Printing Software, Reader, Internet Download Manager, Browser, Newsreader, Mail client, Instant Messenger, Remote Desktop connection, amarok, k3b, koffice (kivio, krita, kword, kspread, kpresenter and so on), task juggler and many many more apps. The majority of the things I mentioned above is already part of KDE. You most likely don't need these things but another one will and if you don't need these things today then you might do one day and then you will be thankful for these tools to exists and be there.

And I don't doubt that if GNOME would have these things then they would all bundle it as 'The GNOME' if they can. This probably also explains the huge success of Ubuntu which ships all of that. People don't necessarily need them today but they probably will one day.

But with KDE I get these things and most of these tools are far more advanced and far better implemented using a solid ground architecture. The toolbars are all similar using the same technology, the printing dialogs are all the same, they all smoothly build up on the same good solid architecture that KDE offers.

I don't say that the majority of applications found for GNOME are bad, no way. But I believe due to the architecture that GNOME offers these applications are not mature enough or not thought through well enough. These applications could have been better and more coherent if the gound architecture of GNOME wouldn't allow half a dozen of Toolbar types for example (and this from libraries that hopefully will be considered non existing soon).

The problem of GNOME's bad framework causes that all the GNOME applications that exists do look differently, behave differently, react differently on global preferences changes. Also stuff like proper clipboard support for GNOME is lacking (maybe these things are included in a distribution) but then huge work went inside the distro to achieve this goal. But I am refering here to the GNOME that exists on CVS or which get released through tarballs.

GNOME would suck less if the ground architecture would simply work. That basic things like windows, toolbars, menus would be done in ONE WAY rather than 20 different ways, that tools like Glade should be re-invented properly and not this poor thing that people keep designing their dialogs with and where properties inside the *.glade files are set inproperly and wrong. GNOME would also suck less if it had a global plugins system such as Kioslave or KParts. Bonobo is so what complex that no real documents exists. So instead writing plugins or snapins so other apps inside GNOME can use it. People keep writing new libraries and make all the apps depend on these libraries because its the easier solution for them to solve this task. A plugins pool where apps could grab a working object and register it with their programs would have been a better choice imo.

What annoys the hell out of me are the basic tasks that GNOME can not really acomplish, it fails with simple things. Things that you usually shouldn't think about because you expect the stuff to simply work and to get your work done. That's the area where GNOME lacks and even small things such as a clipboard manager is announced on like its the biggest invention in century while other competition desktops such as KDE offer these things for years as it's natural thing to have. People and even developers in the GNOME camp keep pridefully arguing how much KDE's implementations do suck. But hey, they at least have these things.

GNOME is a never ending pit, where you keep working on fixing even trivial things and this is a never ending story, you keep ranting and flaming about these things for years and now years have passed and those things still make slow progress. And still the same people have nerves declaring GNOME as the standard default corporate desktop. While it lacks in so many areas.

Now that even trivial tasks can be a nightmare inside GNOME how does it look if you deal with huge complex stuff. Ever thought about that.

In case someone asks me when I last used GNOME then be sure that I do use the latest GNOME there is and that I know it good enough to be serious of what I write.

Also just released... (4, Informative)

going_the_2Rpi_way (818355) | about 9 years ago | (#13780818)

Other linux flavours released in the last 24hrs include:

Piebox Enterprise Linux 3-U6, 4-U2
Frugalware Linux 0.3
Damn Small Linux 2.0 RC1
B2D Linux 20051011
PHLAK Beta 1 "Littleboy"

So why are the "-buntu" releases getting all the buzz? It's the animal names, isn't it? And is it pronounced OOBOONTOO (orangutan for overhyped) or YOU-BUNT-TOO (a veiled baseball reference)?


Re:Also just released... (0, Informative)

Anonymous Coward | about 9 years ago | (#13780947)

So why are the "-buntu" releases getting all the buzz? It's the animal names, isn't it? And is it pronounced OOBOONTOO (orangutan for overhyped) or YOU-BUNT-TOO (a veiled baseball reference)?

That's a pretty racist statement considering Ubuntu is an African word. Are you saying black people are like orangutans? Please take your ignorant attitude somewhere else.

List of Mirrors (5, Informative)

Znarl (23283) | about 9 years ago | (#13780834)

Here is a list of updated mirrors [] as the main site is very slow.

A little late eh? (0)

AnswerIs42 (622520) | about 9 years ago | (#13780847)

Hmm, I downloaded 5.10 on Friday.. and it was the official release not a Release Canidate.

Installed quite nicely.. and after some tricky googling.. I found the right information to setup X so that it would work with more than 640x480 res on my Toshiba Tecra laptop.

The only issue left is that it did not recognise the wireless card I have installed.. so I can't put it on the network yet.

Re:A little late eh? (1)

ozamosi (615254) | about 9 years ago | (#13780972)

No, you didn't. You either downloaded the release candidate (high probability), the preview release (low probability, a bit older), or the nightly build. The official release was less than 24 hours ago (I don't know what time it was/is at your place, so I can't say "today")

Re:A little late eh? (1)

samjam (256347) | about 9 years ago | (#13781085)

Please post a link to the tecra stuff you found that helped so much, or just tell us what you had to do.


SuSe and Mandriva (1)

N8F8 (4562) | about 9 years ago | (#13780856)

I loaded OpenSuSe last week. Had troubles with Radeon and Centrino but usability was wonderful. A searchbox that highlights menu options...who would have thunk it. Loaded Mandriva lasst night and no real problems with video or Centrino though I had to manually configure wireless after install. But usability is horrible. I selected Firefox during install and they didn't even give me a menu icon or desktop icon for loading it. Same goes for other applications. So nifty menu search either. Might have to give Ubantu a try and see if anyone other than SuSe is trying to improve usability.

Sweeeeett!!! (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 9 years ago | (#13780859)

Now all I need t odo is install Half Life 2 and OFfice 2003 e...rr. oh crap it doesn't work. Why the hell would I use this again?

Re:Sweeeeett!!! (3, Informative)

Swampy0007 (761918) | about 9 years ago | (#13781026)

My friend, let me introduce you to Cedega [] and CrossOver Office [] . So what were you saying about Half-Life 2 and Microsoft Office not working again?

Release page slow.. (4, Informative)

David McBride (183571) | about 9 years ago | (#13780893)

The release page is running very slowly; the official Ubuntu Bittorrent tracker (complete with copies of the .torrent digests) is here: []

Pay attention to Ubuntu (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 9 years ago | (#13780902)

Pay attention to Ubuntu. Its simplicity makes it the Linux distro which might "break out" and cause widespread Linux popularity for the masses: something that has not happened yet.

One thing holding it back is the overall screen look, and the dumb animal names of the different releases: "Ubuntu? Oh, that must be that kid's computer thing based on the 'Lion King' movie, right?" They need to move beyond the mumpy meerkat and hirsute hyena names.

Re:Pay attention to Ubuntu (1)

jimmy_dean (463322) | about 9 years ago | (#13781066)

I agree with you 100% on all of your points. If they could just get a better theme that looks more clean and less childish and a better naming scheme, it could really compete with anything commercial vendors have out there (not to name any names or anything).

Positioned for Education and Enterprise (5, Interesting)

stevenprentice (202455) | about 9 years ago | (#13780903)

I think Ubuntu has a good future and now run it on my development workstation, laptop and server. But, what is more interesting are two big feature they added for Breezy that will make it easier for me to get my clients to consider switching over (including many commercial entities and a pro bono private school.)

# Thin Client Integration: Ubuntu is the first distribution in the world to include deeply-integrated thin client technology. This allows you to deploy Ubuntu in large scale networked environments or, for example, in classrooms, with a lightweight Ubuntu image booting over the network. All Ubuntu management tools work for the thin client image as well as for the server.

# OEM Installer Support This release of Ubuntu has special support for OEM hardware vendors. Ubuntu can be pre-installed and tested without configuring end user information. The user will be asked to complete that configuration (name, timezone and password) upon first startup.

Think about it. If Canonical is successful in getting Ubuntu OEM'd with one of the bigger OEMs, this could be a huge success.

Why is it so good? (5, Informative)

xutopia (469129) | about 9 years ago | (#13780904)

We always get that question whenever some story about Ubuntu comes out.

  • 1 CD (Freely sent to you by snail mail)
  • Most things are more stable than many other distributions yet is cutting edge
  • It is debian based which means that you can just send off one command to update everything
  • It looks nice

Anything else you'd like to add?

Re:Why is it so good? (1)

John Nowak (872479) | about 9 years ago | (#13780930)

Honestly, it's a fricken stable version of Debian Sid! That works flawlessly with my aluminum powerbook out of the box (5.04 didn't, I bugged many things, they fixed them ALL)! Use it!

Re:Why is it so good? (1)

10Ghz (453478) | about 9 years ago | (#13781046)

It looks nice

Yeah, if you like brown. Lots of brown.

SATA (1)

cca93014 (466820) | about 9 years ago | (#13780919)

Will it go straight onto an SATA drive?

Re:SATA (1)

Slashcrap (869349) | about 9 years ago | (#13781051)

Will it go straight onto an SATA drive?

Only if you have a floppy disk with the correct driver on it to hand during the install.

Oh sorry! I was thinking of the easy to install, desktop-ready Windows XP for a minute then.

In all seriousness, why would it not install on an SATA drive? The driver for your SATA controller is probably already builtin to the kernel.

Re:SATA (1)

Reducer2001 (197985) | about 9 years ago | (#13781088)

Yes. I've got two SATA's and the installed detected them nicely. The only hardware problems I have are with my wireless card and monitor.

Weebl needs to make a new flash toon (1, Funny)

Anonymous Coward | about 9 years ago | (#13780956)

Breezy breezy breezy breezy breezy breezy breezy breezy BADGER BADGER! []

Question about the quality (3, Informative)

codepunk (167897) | about 9 years ago | (#13780970)

Now for a usability question, can it play mp3's out of the box? Does it include
all the movieplayer codecs? If not because they are patent encumbered or restricted give me a frigging button to press that will install support for these. Hell it would take fifteen minutes max to build a gdialog installer with python to do this crap for me.

From the ubuntu web site

"If you add the debian-marillat repository to your Ubuntu sources.list (use testing/main), you can use Synaptic or apt-get to install MPlayer, lame, and other tools to deal with non-free formats like DVD and MP3."

Re:Question about the quality (1)

uqbeachy (874836) | about 9 years ago | (#13781103)

Can it install mp3 support, and other proprietary components out of the box? Nope - the reasons for this have already been discussed ad nauseum. However 'Easy Ubuntu' will install all these and more, with a GUI interface just like we love. The link is available off the forums at [] - a direct link on Slashdot being a little mean... (hint- there's a link on the front page)

One CD? Wasn't Hoary Hedgehog 3? (1)

Psykechan (255694) | about 9 years ago | (#13780995)

With this announcement, I thought I would go grab the PPC DVD torrent and let the /. effect help me along. I never did get the Hoary Hedgehog DVD image because there never was a working peer for it.

On the site it lists that combination DVD images have been released. I've checked, they aren't on the list. So has there been a maor spring cleaning or are they just going to release the DVD later so that I'll be stuck with 68% looking for peers...

I really do like x86 Ubuntu and I'm glad that they have a PPC distro that gets updated at the same time, but so far I can't actually test it until I can download it.

My god, ubuntu sucks. (-1, Troll)

swotl (24969) | about 9 years ago | (#13781006)

Bloody swahili-linux doesn't impress me very much. Please consider a real distro (like Gentoo).

Do I need to upgrade (2, Interesting)

CKnight (92200) | about 9 years ago | (#13781033)

or does my daily "apt-get update && apt-get -y upgrade" cron job bring me in line with the new release?

I think I'll hang on for Windy Stoat (4, Funny)

iBod (534920) | about 9 years ago | (#13781050)

Or some other flatulent mammal.

If you like K/Ubuntu... (1)

Mistshadow2k4 (748958) | about 9 years ago | (#13781084)

... because it's an easy-to-install Debian distro, you might want to check out Debian Pure [] . That's all it is, Debian with an easy install. Not dissing Ubuntu, not at all (no need to flame me, guys), but I've heard some say that's why they like it; they didn't know there's a real Debian out there that's just as easy to install.
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