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EU Claims Internet Could Fall Apart Next Month

Zonk posted more than 8 years ago | from the seems-a-little-sky-is-falling dept.

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freaktheclown writes "The battle for the control of the Internet could hit a climax next month, with the EU saying that it could 'fall apart.' From the article: 'The European commission is warning that if a deal cannot be reached at a meeting in Tunisia next month the Internet will split apart. At issue is the role of the US government in overseeing the Internet's address structure, called the domain name system (DNS), which enables communication between the world's computers. It is managed by the California-based, not-for-profit Internet Corporation for Assigned Names and Numbers (ICANN) under contract to the US Department of Commerce.'"

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Icann's motto... (5, Funny)

It doesn't come easy (695416) | more than 8 years ago | (#13784105)

Icann, and you can't.

Re:Icann's motto... (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 8 years ago | (#13784305)

Who cares about DNS and ICANN? Real men use IP address directly.
Now I am going to try http://69.69.69.69/ [69.69.69.69] . If there will be nothing interesting there, http://127.0.0.1/ [127.0.0.1] will do the job...

Internet Climax Next Month (2, Funny)

geomon (78680) | more than 8 years ago | (#13784106)

Only $14.99 on Pay-Per-View. Check your local listings for details.

Re:Internet Climax Next Month (0, Flamebait)

rovingeyes (575063) | more than 8 years ago | (#13784140)

Here is a preview:

US says NO, EU & China says FuckU. They bomb the shit out of each other. Every one lives peacefully ever after.

Re:Internet Climax Next Month (3, Funny)

geomon (78680) | more than 8 years ago | (#13784168)

Here is a preview:

Damn pirates!

Isn't it obvious... (4, Insightful)

olympus_coder (471587) | more than 8 years ago | (#13784108)

Let them all start their own DNS systems, breaking the Internet into segments. Let their own stupidity be their punishment. First, they will legislate that ISPs operating in their countries will no be allowed to use root DNS servers other than their own...

Then, their citizens will realize that this effectively isolates them from anyone smart enough to stick with the current, very functional, system. Then, the break away group will begin bickering back and forth as some members want to use their control of DNS to influence both local and international political views. It will further splinter into smaller useless segments.

At some point the citizenry in some of the smarter countries that broke away will realize how stupid this is when they can't use credit cards controlled by US banks, or interact with US companies easily. They will usher the bureaucrats out to the gallows and the hole problem will be solved.

====

This whole thing is about controlling the flow of information. The currect (US led) system has 0 political control of domains. The US government doesn't tell ICANN to remove a root DNS entry if they have a problem. The find the server and seize it according to the law. If it is overseas, they work with the local government.

We bitch about the government restricting freedom of speech here in the US in general, but Europeans and especially China and the middle east are the the people with no real freedom in that respect (they can't even legally complain about not having freedom of speech in may cases). Allowing governments like that any control over the Internet on the international scale would be a disaster for free speech and a victory for dictators and autocrats that want complete control.

Re:Isn't it obvious... (-1)

bigman2003 (671309) | more than 8 years ago | (#13784152)

Maybe this way the French can finally control what is sold on eBay, and Yahoo!

The world may hate us (The U.S.) for a lot of different reasons. But when it comes to freedom of speech, we are far ahead of most countries.

Re:Isn't it obvious... (0, Insightful)

Anonymous Coward | more than 8 years ago | (#13784171)

Still. Why leave the USA to handle it all? I'd rather see either a newer/better/improved system (than DNS), and perhaps a few main servers per main nations (the main big countries). It should be manageable without the need to split the internet.

Re:Isn't it obvious... (4, Insightful)

Nurseman (161297) | more than 8 years ago | (#13784245)

"Still. Why leave the USA to handle it all? I'd rather see either a newer/better/improved system (than DNS)"

Because it is working, and is not being abused. Why change something that continues to operate effectively ? If the EU cuts off US DNS servers, the only people who will suffer are the EU citazens and buisnesses. I just can't see this happening.

Re:Isn't it obvious... (3, Insightful)

mordors9 (665662) | more than 8 years ago | (#13784250)

One reason comes to mind- If it ain't broke, don't fix it..

The hole solution (4, Funny)

SuperKendall (25149) | more than 8 years ago | (#13784172)

They will usher the bureaucrats out to the gallows and the hole problem will be solved.

I assume by this you mean filling said holes with bureaucrats after they are finished with Project Gallows.

Happily, this may also reduce required funds for road maintenience so it's really a win-win. :-)

Re:Isn't it obvious... (4, Interesting)

Ignignot (782335) | more than 8 years ago | (#13784196)

While I don't agree with your "let them go try it and get burned" approach, I agree that it is a bad idea to have a country without a strong right to free speech to have control over root DNS servers. The United States has a stronger free speech than most of Europe (in that we allow racism and nazi speech) and certainly stronger than countries like Iran and China. Honestly I think that the right way to do it is to make the ICANN answerable to no one (not sure how you do that), or maybe Sweeden because I like those guys. The whole internet is based on voluntary agreement as everyone on slashdot already knows. If the ICANN is just some corporation on its own, and not responsible to the US government, why couldn't we just all agree to use its DNS servers, like we already do?

What of pornography? (2, Insightful)

FatSean (18753) | more than 8 years ago | (#13784279)

Pornography and other sexual pastimes performed between consenting adults is under threat in the united states as we speak.

I don't think you can say that the USA has the "most free speech".

Re:Isn't it obvious... (1)

markov_chain (202465) | more than 8 years ago | (#13784205)

Let them all start their own DNS systems, breaking the Internet into segments.

Having several DNS trees wouldn't be too terrible, since users (including ISPs here) would be free to choose a good root. However, there is a more sinister possibility that they create whole new IP address spaces, which would really segment the net. Like you say, this really hurts the non-US areas most, so I hope they complain loudly.

Re:Isn't it obvious... (0, Insightful)

Anonymous Coward | more than 8 years ago | (#13784229)

Are u crazy???


Americans like yourself only care about america (though not all americans are so blind to rest of the worlds needs, like climate change).

So why is the rest of the world wrong in looking for a way to make this DNS thing completely international? Very sane of their part if you ask me.

Re:Isn't it obvious... (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 8 years ago | (#13784313)

Hmm... we invented it... you like it... so you should have control of it? Don't think so

Re:Isn't it obvious... (2, Funny)

amigabill (146897) | more than 8 years ago | (#13784257)

> The find the server and seize it according to the law. If it is
> overseas, they work with the local government.

And if friendly working with the local government doesn't work out, then the CIA goes in full-barrel and sets things right.

I can't wait for that episode of Alias, Ms. Garner going in to add the URLs of American businesses back into the DNS servers of EU so we can send emails back and forth to our friends again, do business again, and of course use the overseas download mirrors for linux distros.

Damn! (1)

Locke2005 (849178) | more than 8 years ago | (#13784110)

Does that mean that (shudder...) I won't be able to receive spam from Russia and China anymore?

As American Dad would say: (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 8 years ago | (#13784111)

My God, who's manning the internets!

Internet... fall apart? (5, Funny)

ZakuSage (874456) | more than 8 years ago | (#13784116)

But... what will all the Slashdotters do with their time? Surely you can't expect us all to... *gulp* leave our computers?

Re:Internet... fall apart? (1)

rovingeyes (575063) | more than 8 years ago | (#13784200)

Yup...high time we find girlfriends...

Sure, nothing like fearmongering. (1)

Trigun (685027) | more than 8 years ago | (#13784119)

I say destroy it completely, and rebuild it right.

Re:Sure, nothing like fearmongering. (1)

markov_chain (202465) | more than 8 years ago | (#13784242)

At last, a chance to deploy IPv6!

Go! (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 8 years ago | (#13784120)

Go, Europe, GO!

Message to EU... (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 8 years ago | (#13784122)


Nice f*cking job boys.

Uh no (-1, Flamebait)

ellem (147712) | more than 8 years ago | (#13784124)

The same people that brought us the Fiat, Leeds Refrigeration, Ugandan scamming, and German food (there's an oxymoron) should NOT be allowed to play with the internet.

Lay off German food! (1)

benhocking (724439) | more than 8 years ago | (#13784192)

Yum, Laugenbroetchen. If you've never had them, you don't know what you're missing. It's a recent discovery for me, and I can't get them here in the States - without them arriving through the mail - so I might not enjoy them as much if I actually lived in Germany, but still, Laugenbroetchen. Yum.

(Loosely translated, Laugenbroetchen means pretzel rolls - they are rolls that taste like soft pretzels. However, somehow they taste a lot better than soft pretzels.)

Re:Uh no (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 8 years ago | (#13784282)

Can't someone think of the children!?

What will happen to goat.cx if the christmas islands get control of their own dns? We MUST save these beautiful works for future generations' posterity!

Re:Uh no (1)

halivar (535827) | more than 8 years ago | (#13784285)

Look, you can put down English meat n' potatoes, and you can mock the French hoity-toity cuisine, but the Germans? They sell whole rotisserie chickens by the road-side, and drink beer from glass pitchers! Boil a bratwurst in some beer and taste the difference, my friend. The Germans may not mean much on a global scale, but they have truly conquered my stomach, and therefore my heart.

I choose to believe that the gastrological abominations of saurkraut and beets were inadvertantly imported from some inferior neighbor. Like Luxemburg.

Fall Apart? (5, Insightful)

TechyImmigrant (175943) | more than 8 years ago | (#13784125)

What can happen is that a bunch of governments set up their own root servers which no ISP in their right mind will direct their DNS servers at. Nothing will change and the world will continue as it was, except someone gets to look a bit silly.

Re:Fall Apart? (1)

iggymanz (596061) | more than 8 years ago | (#13784247)

step two would be usurping ip allocation and routing. this will be fun, bring it on and we'll see who's traffic doesn't get where. Major routes come to the U.s. from europe and thence to asia and southeast asia

Re:Fall Apart? (1)

rovingeyes (575063) | more than 8 years ago | (#13784259)

What can happen is that a bunch of governments set up their own root servers which no ISP in their right mind will direct their DNS servers at

I take it you've left America.

Re:Fall Apart? (4, Interesting)

jmorris42 (1458) | more than 8 years ago | (#13784263)

> which no ISP in their right mind will direct their DNS servers at.

They will enact laws requiring it. Then the customers will start pointing their workstations and access points at open DNS servers in the Free portions of the Internet, the Great Firewall of Europe will be erected to block access to the Free DNS servers and finally people will be fined for pointing at the 'wrong' DNS servers. THEN the heads will start going up on pointy sticks. The big question is whether there remains enough of a spark of Freedom to make it the government officials heads the ones on the sticks or whether it will be the 'traitors' among the users who refuse to use the state sponsored servers.

Re:Fall Apart? (4, Interesting)

Intron (870560) | more than 8 years ago | (#13784269)

Or more likely:

1) Various govs. set up their own root servers. People in that country use their root servers.

2) The operators of the various root servers keep them synchronized with each other.

3) The internet continues to operate just fine.

Sounds like... (5, Funny)

patrickclay (898576) | more than 8 years ago | (#13784126)

...a whole new definition to the term "netslpit"...

In other news... (1)

JChung2006 (894379) | more than 8 years ago | (#13784128)

An anonymous source known only as "C. Little" announced that the "sky was falling." More news later as details come in.

Year 2000 crisis all over again. (1)

easttuth (870185) | more than 8 years ago | (#13784129)

PREPARE FOR THE ALMIGHTY NETSPLIT. Pay me $50, and I'll prepare you for it!

Bush was right (5, Funny)

Washizu (220337) | more than 8 years ago | (#13784133)

There will be Internets after all.

Re:Bush was right (0, Offtopic)

syrinx (106469) | more than 8 years ago | (#13784254)

Man, I made the same joke the other day on the first article about this, and I got modded down flamebait. :P

Doy... (2, Insightful)

Stanistani (808333) | more than 8 years ago | (#13784134)

Shouldn't the headline read:
"EU Claws Internet Apart Next Month"?

This is a deliberate act by our European govfriends, not something that "happens" on its own.

Crap! (1)

darth_MALL (657218) | more than 8 years ago | (#13784139)

Which half has the pr0n again?

Ok (0, Redundant)

Lije Baley (88936) | more than 8 years ago | (#13784142)

Good.

Never mind DNS; I'm worried about routing (1, Interesting)

TheSHAD0W (258774) | more than 8 years ago | (#13784145)

While having DNS providers battle each other might be somewhat disruptive, at least people could choose between alternative DNS servers. What I'm worried about is if these yahoos try taking over ICANN's IP allocation system. If THAT happened we'd see all sorts of routing problems, and would probably have to isolate the US's networks to keep things from becoming completely disrupted.

Re:Never mind DNS; I'm worried about routing (1)

barcodez (580516) | more than 8 years ago | (#13784214)

and would probably have to isolate the US's networks to keep things from becoming completely disrupted.

Hurray, no more spam!

Re:Never mind DNS; I'm worried about routing (1)

barcodez (580516) | more than 8 years ago | (#13784268)

and would probably have to isolate the US's networks to keep things from becoming completely disrupted.

Hurray, no more spam for the rest of the world!

Re:Never mind DNS; I'm worried about routing (2, Interesting)

olympus_coder (471587) | more than 8 years ago | (#13784270)

If (and there is a snow balls chance in Hell the US will give up that kind of countrol) the rest of the world (!US) gets control, the US will almost ceartainly maintain control of what it has now and will simply ignore the other DNS/IP allocation systems. Companies that sell in Europe and China will be foreced to operate on both networks (IP/DNS allocation zones for lack of a better term) which is possible with some technical magic. It will hurt reliability, profit and useability.

In the end, this will be a disaster, but more so for people outside the US and companies that want to sell in multiple countries. The US internet will continue to function and I will have access ot 90% of the stuff I want/need as it lives on servers here in the US. I'd wager a couple of countries see the light either before the split or right after and rejoin us. For all its bitching, I bet Canada doesn't want Iran and China to have ANY control over anything it needs. That is what they are asking for though.

One of the other big loosers will be scientific collaberations (like those CERN runs to analyze collider data) because ALOT of their computing power is in the US.

ICANN does not control IPs or routing in any way (5, Interesting)

Johannes (33283) | more than 8 years ago | (#13784284)

ICANN does not control IP allocation at all. IP blocks are allocated by IANA to regional internet registries (ARIN for the Americas, RIPE for Europe and APNIC for Asia to name a few). The regional registries then allocate smaller blocks to organizations in their area.

Routing is different still. No registry guarantees the IP blocks they allocate will be globally routable. Most network providers have their own criteria for determining which networks they will accept routes for.

So, as you can see, ICANN has no part in the allocation or routing of IP addresses.

Re:Never mind DNS; I'm worried about routing (1)

argStyopa (232550) | more than 8 years ago | (#13784304)

Ironically, this would probably ^improve^ the overall internet experience of most US users.

No more Chinese Spam, no more Nigerian 'opportunities', while within the US we'd still have access to Google, slashdot, and the overwhelming majority of web content. Hey, sorry about that all you online gamers - most games (although not all) are hosted primarily in the US.

I'd miss the BBC site, though.

Just to be clear (5, Insightful)

Mr. Underbridge (666784) | more than 8 years ago | (#13784146)

The European commission is warning that if a deal cannot be reached at a meeting in Tunisia next month the internet will split apart.

Just to restate - the internet's not going to "fall apart" on it's own. They're planning on breaking it. The terminology they use makes it sound like the network's fragile and about to break. That's not the case.

Re:Just to be clear (1)

Capt James McCarthy (860294) | more than 8 years ago | (#13784222)

Ahhh, but they will only break it for their own users and servers in their own country. The issue here is that this is a pissing contest and we have the keys. Sorry but it is true. It will be interesting to watch some of these countries fall from the 'net though.

Re:Just to be clear (1)

Mr. Underbridge (666784) | more than 8 years ago | (#13784317)

Ahhh, but they will only break it for their own users and servers in their own country. The issue here is that this is a pissing contest and we have the keys. Sorry but it is true. It will be interesting to watch some of these countries fall from the 'net though.

Hey, is that Nelson I hear?

Ha HA!

Rubbish (5, Informative)

barcodez (580516) | more than 8 years ago | (#13784151)

This would require everyone in the EU to reconfigure the nameservers to point at a different set of root servers overnight. It's just not going to happen. Speaking as someone in the EU running a number of nameservers I'm not going to do this if it effects my ability to resolve domain names correctly. I might, overtime, add some additional EU nameservers if they are none disruptive but this will be a gradual process.

Re:Rubbish (1)

Xugumad (39311) | more than 8 years ago | (#13784237)

Yeah, this would more involve the EU going "We don't like the US, everyone use our nameservers instead of theirs", and everyone else looking at them like they've lost it.

Which, y'know...

Re:Rubbish (2, Interesting)

mysidia (191772) | more than 8 years ago | (#13784316)

You do assume they won't do something insidious like have all DNS queries to the root servers redirected to their own name system, by rerouting their ip blocks, or pass laws to mandate a transition away from the "Legacy" domain name system.

It could be like you say, but it is no means certain -- if the EU bureaucrats know enough to be dangerous, they could really make a mess of the internet.

But it wouldn't be that the internet fell apart on its own -- it would mean they broke it, through incompetent actions.

Welcome! (1)

Major Blud (789630) | more than 8 years ago | (#13784155)

I, for one, welcome our new EU overlords!

Newsflash (4, Insightful)

mordors9 (665662) | more than 8 years ago | (#13784159)

This just in from Chicken Little- The Sky is Falling. Isn't it amazing that now suddenly if they don't get control the whole thing is going to fail? Wonder how it has held up all of these years.

Re:Newsflash (4, Funny)

badasscat (563442) | more than 8 years ago | (#13784236)

Wonder how it has held up all of these years.

Isn't it obvious? European governments weren't involved in designing or running it. Is it a coincidence that as soon as they decide to inject themselves into the situation that now the net is going to "fall apart"? I don't think so.

It's like when you buy that new DVD player, and only allow the adults in your house to use it. It works fine, right? But as soon as you let your five year old kid near it, all of a sudden it's clogged up with peanut butter. This is no different.

Nothing new here... (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 8 years ago | (#13784160)

Just Europe discovering again that they are in bed with the worst nations in the world in terms of human rights, gender equality and religous freedom.

But hey! Let's be equal. I demand that GMT time now be set in the United States. It's not fair that it is only in Europe!

Quick - Get Al Gore on the phone... (1, Funny)

Tikicult (901090) | more than 8 years ago | (#13784161)

After all, he invented the Internet, I'll bet that he can keep it working!

Proactive Thinking (-1, Redundant)

theSpaceCow (920198) | more than 8 years ago | (#13784162)

Can we just go ahead and batch-flag every comment to be added to this story as "-1, Redundant"? Because I've got a bad feeling about this.

Not on its own it isn't (2, Insightful)

ThePyro (645161) | more than 8 years ago | (#13784165)

There's absolutely no reason why the Internet has to fall apart. If it does then it's because they want it to. I think the countries behind this push for change should seriously consider whether they're doing more harm than good... if you were a citizen in a country that decided to "break off" from the rest of the Internet, wouldn't you prefer to keep your access to the old one rather than start over from scratch?

I would expect to see a huge demand for access to the primary Internet, and the new one would just sortof shrivel up and die.

They're Dreaming (3, Insightful)

digid (259751) | more than 8 years ago | (#13784167)

Let them split...just see how long it will last. The article says China, Brazil, Russia, and some Arab states may end up creating their own versions of the internet. I say go ahead. I don't read Chinese, Brazillian-Portuguese, Russian or Arabic anyway. If the EU decided to jump in on this too I say go ahead it won't last long. No matter how much pressure the EU puts on the US to gain partial control of the root servers the bottom line is by splitting the internet you are going to piss off 225 million+ internet users in the EU who no longer can get to all their favorite sites anymore. For many people this might just be enough to cause a massive loss of business which would bring pressure from the thousands of ISPs throughout europe against the EU. I applaud these countries for wanting to actively participate in the architecture of the internet but I think they should remember not to look a gift horse in the mouth.

EU Threatens to destroy Internet (2, Funny)

Anonymous Coward | more than 8 years ago | (#13784174)

Because they US can't be trusted not to destroy it.....

Re:EU Threatens to destroy Internet (1, Insightful)

MaggieL (10193) | more than 8 years ago | (#13784261)

Because they US can't be trusted not to destroy it...

And the UN or the EU can? Mod parent up as Funny.
Fortunately nobody had to trust the US to *invent* the Internet.

Fun spam (1)

thekernel32 (240428) | more than 8 years ago | (#13784180)

Will this make it so those nigerians won't be able to share their many millions of dollars they just inherited by coup with us common folk in america?

Transcript of EU's comments (0, Flamebait)

PeeAitchPee (712652) | more than 8 years ago | (#13784181)

My shiny toy! Mine! Mine! WAHHHHHHHHHHHHHH!

The Financial Motivation Behind This (3, Insightful)

popo (107611) | more than 8 years ago | (#13784185)



Help me out here: I understand the politics here. That part makes sense.

But who are the corporate winners? Call me a cynic, but I'm far too jaded to believe this is all one big "f*ck you" to the US. And I refuse to believe its about "control" when our control isn't the least bit restrictive.

Someone's going to make bank off this. Politicians are puppets not puppetmasters.

Who profits?

Follow the money.

Any insights?

Re:The Financial Motivation Behind This (-1, Troll)

Anonymous Coward | more than 8 years ago | (#13784299)

Why do I think it must SOMEHOW be M$???

Alternative (4, Funny)

rlp (11898) | more than 8 years ago | (#13784191)

I assume that it's mostly the French govt. pushing this. Perhaps they could develop their own alternative to the Internet. It could be run by the French telecom which could use telecom infrastructure and distribute some kind of network appliance to all of their customers. Oh, wait ...

OK... (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 8 years ago | (#13784193)

So I'll just start pointing to their DNS servers in addition to the current ones, and everything will work just fine.

What's the problem?

Half of the slashdot crowd... (1)

ZeroExistenZ (721849) | more than 8 years ago | (#13784198)

... will be located in China [slashdot.org] to help them accept and build to an internet-free live.

Game of Chicken (1)

Phoenixhunter (588958) | more than 8 years ago | (#13784207)

...and I don't see the US backing down.

Re:Game of Chicken (1)

olympus_coder (471587) | more than 8 years ago | (#13784308)

If your going to play chicken and you drive a Fiat, don't do it with a Mac truck that has a US flag on the font. Right or wrong, that is just STUPID.

The problem is (4, Insightful)

CSHARP123 (904951) | more than 8 years ago | (#13784211)

ICANN is not a multi billion $ mega corporation. If it were one no country would have bothered about this. All the politicians would have gotton some kickbacks and would have been happy letting them control do what ever they want.

Why not just... (2, Interesting)

Slashdiddly (917720) | more than 8 years ago | (#13784217)

Why not just setup contry-controlled 'root' DNS for each country-specific suffix? Leave the incumbent com/net/gov/mil/us to the US. So instead of being configured with a list of a dozen or so root servers today, each DNS will have to know of 100+. I don't think it's a big problem.

P.S. I hope Iraq has enough iq to manage .iq (heh, sorry, ok, i'm leaving now)

Re:Why not just... (1)

WhiteWolf666 (145211) | more than 8 years ago | (#13784296)

Because:

Someone has to keep the Nazi sites off the internet (Germany)
Someone has to keep radical islamic schools from preaching (France)
Someone has to keep rebels under wraps (S. Arabia)
Someone has to suppress democracy (China)
Someone has to keep Taiwan as a territory rather than an independant nation (China)
Who controls Iraq's TLD?
What about 'Korea'? North Korea would love to posit itself as the virtual government of the penisula.

Not that the U.S. doesn't play these games, either. Tradenames and all that jazz, you know.

Governments love to regulate. Governments always have an agenda. And no government is willing to be seen as 2nd rate (Why does U.S. get .com ???), and totalitarian states salivate over the prospect of UN control rather than market and/or U.S. control.

Indefinite antecedent (1)

jdavidb (449077) | more than 8 years ago | (#13784225)

with the EU saying that it could 'fall apart.'

The EU could fall apart in a month?

Wanna read something scary? (4, Interesting)

WhiteWolf666 (145211) | more than 8 years ago | (#13784230)

FTA:

The EU plan was applauded by states such as Saudi Arabia and Iran, leading the former Swedish prime minister Carl Bildt to express misgivings on his weblog: "It seems as if the European position has been hijacked by officials that have been driven by interests that should not be ours.

"We really can't have a Europe that is applauded by China and Iran and Saudi Arabia on the future governance of the internet. Even those critical of the United States must see where such a position risks taking us."


As I've said before, I'll be happy if the issue of IP address allocation is handled by the ITU. DNS should not be under the control of a central organization.

Notice that in the U.S. you are permitted to use any DNS you may like? Sure the root DNS server is Icann moderated, but you can select anything?

Anyone believe Iran (I'm 1/2 Persian) will allow that? Or China?

Or that China will permit a Taiwanese TLD in the New, UN-moderated, EU-sponsored DNS governing association?

Places like S. Arabia, China, and Iran can't wait for DNS to be controlled by the UN, because all kinds of silly nonsense happens in UN politics. Although China may have its sights set on the RoC, as of know, its insane to posit that Taiwan isn't an independant nation.

Yet the UN does not recognize it as such.....

Just my 2 cents.

i love peoples views of the net (1)

Amouth (879122) | more than 8 years ago | (#13784235)

"called the domain name system (DNS), which enables communication between the world's computers"

I could have sworn that IP/bad routing/mac's made "communication between the world's computers"

other than slashdot i don't use dns much.. yea sure e-mail but that is only so people can bug me..

people that believe that DNS runs the net have no idea how messed up dns is and how much of an after thought it was..

I don' know where i am going with this other than. i don't think i care

Misleading Title (1)

OctoberSky (888619) | more than 8 years ago | (#13784240)

Although my time here on Slashdot has been short, I have learned three truths.

1. People like to post early, too early
2. People don't read the articles
3. There will be dupes

The tile "EU claims internet could fall apart next month" is misleading. Its more like "break apart" or better yet "become divided".

Fall apart sounds too Humpty-Dumptyish. Its more like it will become divided between different countries than break up entierly. The messages in this thread will for the most part be based on the Slashdot blurb on the front page and have nothing to do with the article. With a misleading title, it will only be worse.

Why not? (1)

cdrdude (904978) | more than 8 years ago | (#13784248)

Why not let them leave? I can't see why it would be so bad.

I'm reminded of the birds in Finding Nemo (2, Insightful)

Allnighterking (74212) | more than 8 years ago | (#13784249)

Mine, Mine, Mine, ... Mine, Mine..... *sigh*. The real problem comes in domain name ownership. I can see it now people asking the question "Am I at http://www.wellsfargo.com/ [wellsfargo.com] the bank or http://www.wellsfargo.com/ [wellsfargo.com] the Nigerian scam site. What it really boils down to is taxes. The internet is a system that exceeds the lawbreakers(makers whatever) ability to grasp in a manor that they can wrap a tax around.

-5, Retarded Attention Whore (1)

emidln (806452) | more than 8 years ago | (#13784251)

I move for -5, Retarded on the whole thread. What's the worst that happens here? I add an extra line to my amazingly complex /etc/resolv.conf to use an extra nameserver? Or worse, I configure bind (or djbdns, what have you) to search yet another nameserver if it doesn't know? How harsh! What a failure! The agony of the potential pain!

This is total crap. Someone with a say in the EU tell their bureacrats to STFU. Mod me down in you want, but this whole thing is Flamebait and screams Attention Whore.

Drat! (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 8 years ago | (#13784252)

So from next month I won't be able to view /.? This is bad! I'm a dupaholic. What am I gonna do now? ;)

Finally (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 8 years ago | (#13784253)

Finally, something exciting happening online, been waiting for that for years.....

go ahead and split it.. (0, Flamebait)

PacketScan (797299) | more than 8 years ago | (#13784258)

You will have the Working internet controlled by Icann and the only sometimes working lead by some third world country.

Leave us alone (1)

freg (859413) | more than 8 years ago | (#13784260)

We invented the internet, why should we hand it over to anyone else? 95% of good internet content is based in the US. All we have to do is threaten to cut the rest of the world off from accessing our websites and the rest of the world's internet would fade away due to lack of interest.

Like I care (1)

David Off (101038) | more than 8 years ago | (#13784266)

Viviane Reding, European IT commissioner, says that if a multilateral approach cannot be agreed, countries such as China, Russia, Brazil and some Arab states could start operating their own versions of the internet and the ubiquity that has made it such a success will disappear.

Personally I can hardly wait. Although the majority of people in these countries are probably very nice I don't think China, Russia and Brazil have contributed to the success of the Internet. American built the Internet with DARPA funds (okay some ideas can be traced back to research in the UK and lets not forget CERN's contribution). European and other countries have contributed to the Diaspora.

Viv obviously isn't too good at negotiating. Its like saying "you do what I want and I will keep sh*tting in your back yard".

Anyway it is all hot air. With outsourcing going on at full speed these countries would be mad to cut themselves off from the rest of the world. Viviane Reding is an idiot. Sorry but that's my conclusion.

I hope the internet falls apart (1)

P3NIS_CLEAVER (860022) | more than 8 years ago | (#13784271)

Than I won't have to see this g&%$&m dupe again.

Ha! (-1, Troll)

Anonymous Coward | more than 8 years ago | (#13784272)

I work for Internet.

So I am really getting a kick out of most of these replies.

Some of you guys are very good at making it sound like you know what you are talking about.

But trust me.... You don't.

I think you just want to make yourself sound smart, when in reality you dont know what you are talking about.

This is how bad info gets passed around.

If you dont know about the topic....Dont make yourself sound like you do.

Cuz some Slashdotters belive anything they hear.

Big Deal... (0, Redundant)

sRev (846312) | more than 8 years ago | (#13784273)

We'll just get Al Gore to fix it! I mean, he invented the damn thing, right?

Eu split (1)

Bubba-T (578601) | more than 8 years ago | (#13784276)

Well if were splitting does that mean all those EU address space frees up?
No more spam from russia and china, No more idiots in Britian selling on ebay US. No more nigerian lottery winners bugging me, no more non-english music and videos clogging the torrents.

Sign me up.

Step one: Split the Internet.
Step Two: Get the US out of the UN..

Almost 1/2 way there.

UN can fix it... (1)

Undertaker43017 (586306) | more than 8 years ago | (#13784278)

Just have the UN issue a "condemnation" of the situation every year for say 10 years, and then when they don't comply the US will invade... oh wait, that won't work.

Is That a Threat or a Promise? (1)

HeelToe (615905) | more than 8 years ago | (#13784287)

Hmm...

Fine! (1)

GatorMan (70959) | more than 8 years ago | (#13784291)

F* them and let them start their own networks. We should help, however, by giving them the AOL user-base. :D

Grandstanding (1)

SpasticThinker (892651) | more than 8 years ago | (#13784292)

There will be no split. As was suggested in a previous /. post on the subject, no politician in his/her right mind will do anything that could possibly disrupt internet service to so many of their citizens. It would be a suicide decision, politically.

This is simply posturing to see if the US will back down, not a definite threat. This whole deal reminds me of a common saying - "if it ain't broke, don't fix it".

How will I cope? (1)

shiznit4172 (773255) | more than 8 years ago | (#13784295)

How will I get my WoW fix in? Or will I only be able to play with the domestic rabid 14-year olds?

Color me stupid.. (1)

sglider (648795) | more than 8 years ago | (#13784300)

..But isn't the internet essentially defined by the US websites? I realize that there are other countries on the World Wide Web, but for the life of me, I've yet to visit on in my daily surfing travels. Hell, even the gaming servers I use are in the U.S. I fail to see how I will be significantly affected by this -- but do remember that I have no 'personal' ties to anyone outside of the US.

So long spammers, and thanks for all the phish (4, Funny)

mr_rattles (303158) | more than 8 years ago | (#13784315)

If it means spammers in China, Russia, or anywhere else US anti-spam laws don't apply are using a separate Internet than the US then why wait a whole month? Let's split the Internet now.
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