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Capitalizing on Melting Polar Ice

ScuttleMonkey posted more than 8 years ago | from the 05ers-just-doesn't-have-the-same-ring dept.

Editorial 505

efuzzyone writes "As an affect of global warming, the polar ice caps seem to be slowly receding, what do you do? The NYT reports it is a gold rush, 'the Arctic is undergoing nothing less than a great rush for virgin territory and natural resources worth hundreds of billions of dollars.' Also, 'polar thaw is also starting to unlock other treasures: lucrative shipping routes, perhaps even the storied Northwest Passage; new cruise ship destinations; and important commercial fisheries.'"

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Capitalize on our world melting. (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 8 years ago | (#13799848)

Argghh!!! It Burns!

Better hurry..... (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 8 years ago | (#13799851)

....as unlike the goldrush this one won't be around for so long!

Yep (5, Funny)

Anonymous Coward | more than 8 years ago | (#13799855)

I can hear Pres. Bush's spin on it now: "...Just imagine the further untapped resources we could discover by not joining the Kyoto agreement."

Re:Yep (-1, Troll)

jav1231 (539129) | more than 8 years ago | (#13799895)

Please...don't breed.

Re:Yep (1, Funny)

Anonymous Coward | more than 8 years ago | (#13800036)

you said that wrong....

GW will say it like this.. ....just imagine. . . . . . the further untapped. . . . . ..resources we could deliver by . . . . . .not joining the Ka-ma-moto agreement. My advisors have informed me. . . .that. . . . . .this is a good thing for america. All the new high value lake front property that will be created. . . . . . .and it will help the economy. . . . . just like 9/11.

you forget the 10-30 second pauses where you can see him actively trying to not be distracted by some shiny object in the room and complate his speech.

Re:Yep (1, Funny)

Anonymous Coward | more than 8 years ago | (#13800122)

you forget the 10-30 second pauses where you can see him actively trying to not be distracted by some shiny object in the room and complate his speech.


The current President is not an idiot, as you are trying to infer. There's simply a great deal of latency when his words are relayed from Satan to Cheney to the brain-implant in his head. The dropped packets are due to all the coke.

TACO,STOP THE TROLLTALK CRAPFLOOD (-1, Troll)

Anonymous Coward | more than 8 years ago | (#13799856)

and the front page goatse will end...

YOUR CHOICE!!!

NOT A DUPE. (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 8 years ago | (#13799861)

Certainly not a dupe! Check your story list!

Fuckers! (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 8 years ago | (#13799862)

Fuckers!

and, (4, Funny)

Hawthorne01 (575586) | more than 8 years ago | (#13799863)

beachfront property in Sacramento!

I don't think so, (0)

JoeCommodore (567479) | more than 8 years ago | (#13799886)

Sacramento is below or at sea level, remember the delta is held in by levees (now where id I hear about levees recently...) The foothills is going to be beachfront, and don't tread on my front lawn.

Well (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 8 years ago | (#13800129)

Sacramento, the city proper is ~50-ish feet above sea level.

Nah (5, Informative)

Anonymous Coward | more than 8 years ago | (#13799903)

Sacramento is in the middle of a valley with a big river (coincidentally *also* called Sacramento) running through it. If anything, Sacramento will be on the bottom of the California Archipelago's Great Central Sea.

Tethys Sea (1)

HiThere (15173) | more than 8 years ago | (#13800104)

Sacramento will be at the bottom of the new Tethys Sea. It's been a long time since the San Jouquin valley was a salt water sea, but it may not be long before it is again. It all depends on just how much ice melts.

First spell-nazi post! (1, Informative)

Stormwatch (703920) | more than 8 years ago | (#13799866)

"As an affect of global warming"?

And the science is not very solid either.

Re:First spell-nazi post! (-1, Troll)

Anonymous Coward | more than 8 years ago | (#13799999)

Circumcision must be outlawed [mgmbill.org]

Hear, hear! My parents decided to have me mutilated, and it sucks.

Re:First spell-nazi post! (-1, Offtopic)

Anonymous Coward | more than 8 years ago | (#13800002)

The AbiWord grammar checker mentioned earlier today finds this error. It also flags much of the rest of the blurb for reasons I haven't tried to analyze.

Note that the AbiWord grammar checker won't tell you WHY it thinks something is wrong, which I think makes it nearly useless.

This is great! (3, Funny)

Anonymous Coward | more than 8 years ago | (#13799868)

When the air gets too polluted to breathe, I'll finally be able to make my money selling oxygen franchises! I love the free market!

Re:This is great! (1)

Tony Hoyle (11698) | more than 8 years ago | (#13799986)

People are already making money selling oxygen franchises... http://www.baro2.com/ [baro2.com]

I don't think selling sand to arabs or ice to eskimos has been done yet, but give 'em time...

Maybe we should worry about the ice, not profit (1, Insightful)

Anonymous Coward | more than 8 years ago | (#13799870)

This is really stupid. We are all excited about making more money, but not worried about the impacts.

Humans are stupid.

Re:Maybe we should worry about the ice, not profit (2, Informative)

pmc (40532) | more than 8 years ago | (#13800027)

That's nothing. The headline says "affect". Obviously it should be "effect".

Dumb humans.

Re:Maybe we should worry about the ice, not profit (2, Insightful)

saskboy (600063) | more than 8 years ago | (#13800029)

I've actually heard someone say that they'd rather have more money than cleaner air. I guess they don't think breathing well would improve their life.

"I can always buy air filters with my money," or something to that effect. It's gosh darn arrogant goatse-holes like that that make the world a harder place to live.

Re:Maybe we should worry about the ice, not profit (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 8 years ago | (#13800067)

Nowhere does it say that this is nothing to worry about; all it says is that there is a silver-lining to this particular cloud.

Wow! (4, Insightful)

springbox (853816) | more than 8 years ago | (#13799871)

polar thaw is also starting to unlock other treasures: lucrative shipping routes, perhaps even the storied Northwest Passage; new cruise ship destinations; and important commercial fisheries

With all of these benefits who cares about preventing damage to our environment?!</sarcasm>

Re:Wow! (-1, Flamebait)

falcon5768 (629591) | more than 8 years ago | (#13799902)

who said there was any damage to our enviroment? you do realize global warming have come more than once before, and that for most of them, humans didnt even exist.

You ALSO realize that the most prosporous times in human history came durring global warming while the worst came durring ice ages.

Thats the problem with most "Global Warming is Bad" studies, they fail to mention that the best times in our history have happened thanks to it or that its a natural thing that has happened and would happen if humans existed or not.

Re:Wow! (1)

springbox (853816) | more than 8 years ago | (#13799921)

Yes, the climate has changed in the Earth's history, but that geological speculation doesn't take into account all of this pollution, including tons of greenhouse gases, that humans pump into the atmosphere. Humans cause damage to the environment if they intend to or not.

Re:Wow! (1)

tftp (111690) | more than 8 years ago | (#13799975)

the best times in our history have happened thanks to it

I am sure the dinosaurs really appreciated the climate change caused by that asteroid.

Re:Wow! (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 8 years ago | (#13800088)

...and a few weeks ago you were saying there is no proof that Global Warming is due to human causes. Now you're ready to stand up and take credit for it. Change your mind so easily?

Re:Wow! (4, Insightful)

eh2o (471262) | more than 8 years ago | (#13800133)

Yes, the environment can adapt and recover, but really the problems that global warming entails are problems for *humans* -- primarily issues of health and economics.

Re:Wow! (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 8 years ago | (#13799959)

You forgot to open your sarcasm tag.

Great. (4, Funny)

Sebby (238625) | more than 8 years ago | (#13799872)

"lucrative shipping routes, perhaps even the storied Northwest Passage; new cruise ship destinations; and important commercial fisheries."

Great. Add more pollution to the area. Just what it needs! :)

 

What I would do... (0, Redundant)

Anonymous Coward | more than 8 years ago | (#13799874)

As an affect of global warming, the polar ice caps seem to be slowly receding, what do you do?

Make sure you're using the proper word before submitting?

Re:What I would do... (0, Flamebait)

lastchance_000 (847415) | more than 8 years ago | (#13800017)

Apparently 'Editor' is largely an honorary title around here.

Re:What I would do... (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 8 years ago | (#13800099)

A self-endowed one at that.

My high school rag puts out a better publication than these bozos.

And thats not all (3, Interesting)

Don_Casper (923158) | more than 8 years ago | (#13799879)

Not to mention the rising waters flooding pacific islands. Good trade off, cruise destinations in the pacific get flooded, and cruise destinations in the polar region open up.

Pacific islands aren't going anywhere (3, Informative)

amightywind (691887) | more than 8 years ago | (#13800110)

Not to mention the rising waters flooding pacific islands. Good trade off, cruise destinations in the pacific get flooded, and cruise destinations in the polar region open up.

Ever wonder why many Pacific islands are at sea level? Most are volcanoes eroded to sea level. They become atolls through processes of erosion and a buildup of calcium carbonate that form a ring around the eroded ediface. As sea level rises deposition by coral will equalize with rising sea level. Indeed, flooding by major storms is the *only* mechanism where new material is deposited above sea level at all! This is not new. It has going for the last 12000 years since the end of the last ice age as sea level has risen several meters. So relax, the Pacific islands aren't going anywhere. Why do people discard rational thought when discussing the Kyoto treaty?

Kyoto what? (1)

MarcoPon (689115) | more than 8 years ago | (#13799880)

So we can now expect pollution to be State encouraged, to speed-up the melting and take advantage of the new, exciting investing opportunities? Great! Bye!

The first thing I though of.. (2, Interesting)

Brad1138 (590148) | more than 8 years ago | (#13799883)

After reading the title, was U.S. and Halliburton.

(I live in U.S.)

Brr. Must be cold up there.... now (1)

Takara (711260) | more than 8 years ago | (#13799884)

Artic sovernty has always been a big deal for Canada. We had better start finding some new submarines.

Re:Brr. Must be cold up there.... now (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 8 years ago | (#13799953)

We had better start finding some new submarines.

Hopefully we won't buy our next ones from Uncle Tony's Used Submarine Store: "Our Submarines Won't Leak or Catch Fire! Honest! Seriously!"

Re:Brr. Must be cold up there.... now (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 8 years ago | (#13800103)

It's not Britain's fault Canada's sailors can't shut a hatch.

Pirates? (2, Funny)

Anonymous Coward | more than 8 years ago | (#13799885)

Let's all hope the gold will attract more pirates!

Re:Pirates? (1)

FullCircle (643323) | more than 8 years ago | (#13799928)

Now that's funny.

Re:Pirates? (3, Funny)

lexarius (560925) | more than 8 years ago | (#13799958)

Yes. We need more than 17.

Re:Pirates? (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 8 years ago | (#13799967)

Then FSM will touch us with his noodly appendage and restore the paradise of the mountain, trees, and midget.

Re:Pirates? (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 8 years ago | (#13800127)

"Midgit". A "midgit" is not a midget. Anyway, everyone knows that global warming means FEWER pirates, not more.

How ironic (5, Insightful)

Pinball Wizard (161942) | more than 8 years ago | (#13799891)

that global warming would lead to new oil discoveries.

Re:How ironic (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 8 years ago | (#13799960)

Sounds more like a vicious cycle.

Re:How ironic (1)

going_the_2Rpi_way (818355) | more than 8 years ago | (#13799997)

Yeah -- until the the oil is all gone, the ice is all gone, and a whole bunch of new oil deposits get formed in the lowlands. I wonder who the users of those deposits will be.

And the circle of life continues.

DONT FEEL RIGHT (3, Insightful)

ICEcalibur (923176) | more than 8 years ago | (#13799893)

"Also, 'polar thaw is also starting to unlock other treasures: lucrative shipping routes, perhaps even the storied Northwest Passage" I think the melting ice will unlock a treasure all right....and its a treasure that we should bother looking for....like pandoras box..???

bottled water! (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 8 years ago | (#13799896)

why doesn't someone set up a water bottling plant and harness all that yummy fresh water? who needs desalinization when you have melting ice!

Capitalizing on Canadian Stupidity (0)

Datagod (613152) | more than 8 years ago | (#13799898)

And we Canadians are too arrogant and stupid to bother keeping our armed forces up to date that we will lose all of our northern resources to whoever comes knocking. Even a troop of Russian boy scouts are better equiped than our navy... Sucks to be us, but that what happens when you vote Liberal Liberal Liberal....Liberal at all cost....God forbig we vote for a conservative party....that is like humping the devil!!!

Re:Capitalizing on Canadian Stupidity (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 8 years ago | (#13799913)

Vote NDP bitch. The Conservatives are a western farce. It'll never happen!

Re:Capitalizing on Canadian Stupidity (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 8 years ago | (#13799934)

Every time I go up to Canada, I am amazed at the number of dot people you have let in.

Why not make them conscripts for 2 or 3 years in your "armed forces" (yes, Canada has a Navy and an Air Force) before you let them stay permanently?

Re:Capitalizing on Canadian Stupidity (0, Flamebait)

pnewhook (788591) | more than 8 years ago | (#13799943)

Sorry I can't bring myself to vote redneck. I wouldn't be able to live with myself in the morning.

Re:Capitalizing on Canadian Stupidity (1)

McSmithster (917730) | more than 8 years ago | (#13799996)

Actually to be correct Mickey Mouse gets more votes then the liberals but for some dumb reason they have this rule which doesn't allow you to draw in your own box and check it off. Alas, Mickey Mouse will never get voted in. I keep saying its unfair but its the Liberals who make all the laws now. I mean its not like we really have anybody to vote for who would actually listen to the people besides Mickey Mouse. I also believe Wayne Gretzky is in second place. He'd be pretty good too. But again, that damn rule is holding us back.

Anyone.. (3, Insightful)

Turn-X Alphonse (789240) | more than 8 years ago | (#13799937)

Anyone else feel sick when you read things like this? If the human race is that fucking stupid then we deserve to drown in the flood we'll end up making. Saddly a handful will probably survive it.. most likely the rich ones who can aford to hoard boats, food and drinkable water...

Money : Because killing 6 billion people just to make some more was so worth it, now that it's totally useless because everyones dead and paper has no use when it's already doodled on.

Re:Anyone.. (3, Funny)

icepick72 (834363) | more than 8 years ago | (#13799992)

Wow, it's going to be just like the movie Waterworld. A lot of people said that movie sucks, but obviously it holds the keys to survival in the future. I'm going out to buy my copy right now, along with the other 4 billion of you. Who knew! Maybe even Duke Nukem forever will provide useful information ... if it arrives in time.

Re:Anyone.. (5, Informative)

Yorrike (322502) | more than 8 years ago | (#13800117)

Having almost finished a geology degree (3 exams to go), I've run through the exercise of calculating exactly how high the ocean would go if the ice caps melted many a time.

Here's the thing, if there's more water, there's more weight on the crust, which will subside a bit. Cutting a long story short and without explaining the ins and outs of crustal isostasy, if your house, water source and farmland is above 75m in elevation, you'll be alright.

Otherwise, to quote Tool's very appropriate song Aenima, learn to swim.

Re:Anyone.. (1)

dasunt (249686) | more than 8 years ago | (#13800082)

Waterworld wasn't a documentary about the future. It was fiction.

Even if the icecaps melt, the planet will not be underwater.

Re:Anyone.. (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 8 years ago | (#13800083)

If the human race is that fucking stupid then we deserve to drown in the flood we'll end up making.

What does this have to do with the human race?

Re:Anyone.. (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 8 years ago | (#13800087)

>> Saddly a handful will probably survive it.. most likely the rich ones who can aford to hoard boats

If all of the Antarctic ice melted, sea levels around the world would rise about 61 meters (200 feet). [howstuffworks.com]

Methinks the human race isn't the only "fucking stupid" one around here.

reminds me of a simpson plot. (2, Interesting)

Anonymous Coward | more than 8 years ago | (#13799938)

This kinda reminds me of the simpson episode where bart finds a three eyed fish in the stream by the power plant. Mr. Burns decides to run for office and starts trumping up how good the three eyed fish is for the enviroment and is better to eat yada yada yada.

New cruise ship destinations? (2, Insightful)

britneys 9th husband (741556) | more than 8 years ago | (#13799946)

Great, I can fulfill my lifelong dream of going on a cruise from the Yukon to Siberia. Meanwhile, all the good cruise ship destinations will be closed off because hurricane season will last 10 months.

Re:New cruise ship destinations? (1)

DoraLives (622001) | more than 8 years ago | (#13800062)

hurricane season will last 10 months

Works for me. Better surf to ride, more often. Let the damn condos go down in a cat V eyewall. The debris field might create a nice new reef with a fair decent wave breaking across it. With any luck at all, this Florida land boom will get snuffed out by hurricanes just like the last one did way back in the 20's. I've lived here all my life, but I'm not stupid enough to own any property. Let the sea level rise and take it all back. Fuckem. I'll just pack light and step back right along with the coastline. Works for me.

So long (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 8 years ago | (#13799947)

I can't wait to be the first one to visit the tropical resorts in antartica!!!

FIVE DAYS lag time on Slashdot now? (1, Insightful)

Anonymous Coward | more than 8 years ago | (#13799948)

I used to think of slashdot as a place to get news before it appeared elsewhere. That was wrong; slashdot is just one more wall in the Intraweb echo chamber. But five days lag time between the article's appearing (it appeared on 10/9, even though it's dated 10/10) in the NYT and on slashdot... this has got to be a new record.

Global warming (1)

nicobn (884553) | more than 8 years ago | (#13799954)

When will we stop to think that global warming is a good idea ? When Florida will be submerged ?

Re:Global warming (1)

jericho4.0 (565125) | more than 8 years ago | (#13800078)

Gee, you're right. It does sound like a good idea now.

/. should just save us the time (0, Flamebait)

Illserve (56215) | more than 8 years ago | (#13799955)

And copy the replies to the most recent global warming story into this one.

I certainly wouldn't notice the difference, and so much productivity would be saved by everyone not having to rehash the same old arguments again.

Suddenly Canada becomes desireable! (4, Funny)

incom (570967) | more than 8 years ago | (#13799957)

Maybe my acres of permafrosted land around hudson's bay weren't such a bad investment afterall! Drive those SUV's boys, I want palms and bannana trees in my scenery!

How about some links showing the other side of (2, Informative)

jkind (922585) | more than 8 years ago | (#13799963)

Re:How about some links showing the other side of (1)

erbmjw (903229) | more than 8 years ago | (#13800069)

Was the first link a mistake? I am only asking because most of the links have accepted that global warming is happening but the first page seems to go against the grain of most of the other links you have posted.

treasures good and bad (1)

icepick72 (834363) | more than 8 years ago | (#13799970)

starting to unlock other treasures

Maybe even prehistoric frozen treasures ... the artic landscape strewn with rotting 2 billion year old people. Well, the polar bears should like it even if the residents complain.

Just continue on (1)

YeEntrancemperium (869619) | more than 8 years ago | (#13799977)

Excellent, make the Earth more angry. Keep it up! Here comes H5N1!

50p from each cruise (1)

Threni (635302) | more than 8 years ago | (#13799982)

goes towards our `rescue an islander` charity, to relocate folk who's land gets flooded in the process.

Re: (1)

Aenema (916366) | more than 8 years ago | (#13799985)

Stop hitting the wrong reply button

No change in sea level (1, Informative)

dreadlord76 (562584) | more than 8 years ago | (#13799990)

People, try to think back to your high school physics.

Polar ice melting will NOT change sea level anywhere. No beachfront property in Sacramento. No flooding of tiny Pacific islands.

The ice is currently Floating in WATER! And since ice is lighter than water, when they melt, they will take up less space before in the ocean. Some of the Pacific islands may get bigger (someone may even notice it).

Melting in the Antarctic or on Greenland is different, since those are ice on land right now. But melting of ice in Arctic should make little difference in Sea Level.

You forgot the salt (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 8 years ago | (#13800092)

It will raise, you forgot that liquid salted water vs ice is not the same than liquid non-salted water vs ice. Go back to school and do the maths. Or just visit a page explaining how to do the experiment with salted water and ice [physorg.com]

Re:No change in sea level (1)

BewireNomali (618969) | more than 8 years ago | (#13800102)

isn't that going to depend on how much of the floating ice is submerged?

the density of ice to water is 0.92 to 1. therefore the difference in displacement for ice already submerged isn't an issue. in a closed system that means that displacement levels are higher before the ice melts as opposed to after, right? But what of ice that is not submerged and is therefore not currently displacing water?

I'm not a physicist, or even particularly good at math. Just curious.

 

Re:No change in sea level (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 8 years ago | (#13800118)

Try thinking back to your middle school science class... IT's freshwater ice in a saltwater sea. It will increase the sea level, because there is a greater volume of frozen freshwater than there is of saltwater being displaced.

Re:No change in sea level (5, Insightful)

bcwright (871193) | more than 8 years ago | (#13800132)

Mostly true - the polar ice is for the most part floating in water, so by definition it displaces a volume of water equal to its weight. If it melts, its simply becomes water that will be equal in volume to the amount it displaced before it melted.

There are two other effects to consider however - you alluded to the ice caps on Greenland and Antarctica, which would have a much greater effect on sea level if they should melt or even just flow into the ocean faster than they do now. With the polar ice cap gone, the Greenland ice cap would probably move faster and possibly even disintegrate.

The other effect is that once you get above about 4 degrees C, water starts expanding again. So if the entire volume of ocean water becomes warmer on average, you may well get a rise in sea level even without the Greenland or Antarctic ice caps melting (the quibble is whether enough of the water will remain around 4 degrees C where it reaches minimum volume per unit mass - this is going to be difficult to compute because the effect of a melting polar ice cap on ocean currents is hard to predict accurately).

Lemmings for sale (2, Insightful)

sp3298622 (800612) | more than 8 years ago | (#13800001)

Capitalism on the arctic can be a risky venture. When you bring in companies that are established to deliver on share holders profit, it is hard to guess what kind of a route these companies might take. Without clear laws and regulations limiting how companies exploit this new "gold mine" we might end up with something like the US Patent laws, where large corporations take advantage of the ability to patent anything they can think about. I the arctic scenario this could lead to fishing companies endangering many species, tour companies damaging the habitat of local wildlife, oil exploration polluting the air and water. We must establish clear baselines to prevent this happening! Lemmings look like fat furry hamsters. They have strong legs and claws for digging. Thick fur helps to keep them warm. Lemmings live in the arctic. --- Sydney Computer Support [progressiveit.com.au]

Luxurious climates on the way (1)

milktoastman (572643) | more than 8 years ago | (#13800004)

I said once that I was a well-to-do MBA holder and that I'll win in this global catastrophe. It still holds. I'm crazy. I was born crazy. I'll get my torch out and go on up there and kill me some ice. I want at those underlying rocks. I'll crunch'em. Your sexy women will tout my flames! I've got the alpha-sense! Let the lichen spread!

That's pretty much the angst I feel given that America is headed toward absolute insanity on a steady diet of transfats and dullard TV.

Gammar is important too! (3, Informative)

xiphoris (839465) | more than 8 years ago | (#13800014)

Affect and effect are both nouns and both verbs, but the one you wanted was "effect".

An effect (n) is something that happens as a result of some action.

To effect (v) a change is to cause a change to occur.

A affect (n) is a feeling or emotion you feel.

To affect (v) something is to change it through your actions. To affect something is to effect a change in it. :)

Being the intelligent people we are, with great precision in our computer languages, let's not ride the wave of many technologists who believe they are too good to condescend to write English properly. Strive to do well in all things.

Re:Gammar is important too! (1)

xiphoris (839465) | more than 8 years ago | (#13800026)

I lose. I should've used "an" before the noun form of both "effect" and "affect".

Re:Gammar is important too! (2, Informative)

KylePflug (898555) | more than 8 years ago | (#13800089)

You also shouldn't have used the word "gammar." On account of it's not. A word, that is.

Re:Gammar is important too! (1)

The Standard Deviant (869317) | more than 8 years ago | (#13800100)

The title also says "Gammar"

Re:Gammar is important too! (1)

The Standard Deviant (869317) | more than 8 years ago | (#13800112)

I missed the full stop off that. I think it must be a rule that when one is writing about others' grammar or spelling, one makes at least one mistake in one's own spelling or grammar.

Wrong wrong wrong. (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 8 years ago | (#13800096)

affect1 (-fkt') pronunciation
tr.v., -fected, -fecting, -fects.

      1. To have an influence on or effect a change in: Inflation affects the buying power of the dollar.
      2. To act on the emotions of; touch or move.
      3. To attack or infect, as a disease: Rheumatic fever can affect the heart.

Denial of global warming (2, Funny)

Anonymous Coward | more than 8 years ago | (#13800018)

Those who deny global warming are just so predictable.

First they say "there is no such thing as global warming."
Then they say "there is no proof that there is global warming."
Now they say "there is no proof that global warming is bad."
And they say "look, global warming is good!"
Soon they'll say "there is no proof that God didn't make this happen."
Then they'll say "it's written right here in the book that this will happen."
Then they'll say "it's one more reason to believe. God works in strange and mysterious ways."
Then they'll say "of course Haliburton should get a no-bid contract to build levees around North America."
Then they'll say "of course all the blue states on the coasts should pay for their own levees, while paying to subsidize the farms of the red states."
Then they'll say "isn't global warming wonderful! Praise the Lord!"

Sovereignty a huge issue... (4, Informative)

Hamster Lover (558288) | more than 8 years ago | (#13800019)

Canada considers the Artic to be an internal water way and as such maintains dominion over all shipping in the area. The U.S., no surprise, considers the area to be international waters. As the ice recedes and the fabled Northwest Passage becomes a reality look for increased tension between the United States and Canada over control of shipping in the area (like we need more tension than already exists).

Unfortunately, Canada will probably roll over and let the U.S. have it's way on the sovereignty issue as we've done in the past when the U.S. ice breaker Polar Sea transited the Northwest Passage in 1985.

Blame Canada (1, Insightful)

ccmay (116316) | more than 8 years ago | (#13800106)

Canada considers the Artic to be an internal water way and as such maintains dominion over all shipping in the area.

Big deal. I could as easily and justly consider the moon and all the stars to be my own personal property.

Unless Canada can think of a legitimate reason why 600 years of seafaring tradition should be abandoned, they should shut up. Their writ does not extend more than three miles off shore, same as ours. The Law of the Sea, both formal and informal, has long recognized that navigable deep water "belongs" to anyone and everyone.

Moreover, Canada is always first in line to bitch about American exceptionalism and our contempt for international law. I'd say they should practice what they preach, but instead I'll note that all nations, at all times, have no more morals or ethics than my little fingernail. Nations always do what is in their own self-interest, and nothing but what is in their own self-interest.

And right now, with the USSR defeated and America pretty much doing what it pleases in the world, it is in the interest of many Lilliputian nations to band together to tie down Gulliver. The goals and moral sensibilities of many do-gooding leftists happen to coincide with the internationalist, anti-American platitudes currently being mouthed by the ruling elites in places like Canada and France, but the Left shouldn't delude itself that the Canadian or French governments would behave much better than the American government if their roles were reversed. Politicians are the same everywhere, and so are voters.

-ccm

Eep (5, Funny)

thegnu (557446) | more than 8 years ago | (#13800021)

'polar thaw is also starting to unlock other treasures: lucrative shipping routes, perhaps even the storied Northwest Passage

Primarily, this will open up trades route with Hell, which incidentally is short on handbaskets.

as apposed to.. (0, Flamebait)

timmarhy (659436) | more than 8 years ago | (#13800056)

the billions in damage it will do to other industries. fucking retards.

Re:as apposed to.. (1)

Zorque (894011) | more than 8 years ago | (#13800116)

Hence why they're taking advantage of it. If other industries are destroyed, humans will need to find another, and what better way than to turn a natural disaster into a benefit?

2 polar caps (1)

JymBrittain (880082) | more than 8 years ago | (#13800068)

Think of all the open real estate this global warming going to open up near the other polar ice cap. I call DIBS!

Pretty rocks. (4, Informative)

jericho4.0 (565125) | more than 8 years ago | (#13800101)

I live in the Selkirk range in BC. Every summer the glaciers retreat a little further, and I've been making a point of trying to explore some of this newly uncovered land. I have found lots of pretty crystals and other mineral samples.

Still, global warming is not a plus for me. The ski season is getting shorter :-(

help me out here... (2, Insightful)

CDPatten (907182) | more than 8 years ago | (#13800111)

When the northern ice caps melt then the cold water starts to cool the ocean, and there would be fewer hurricanes. That is what the environmentalists told us all during the 80's and 90's. How come we have had the terrible hurricanes this year and last... Why is it happening if the ice caps are melting? How about explaining Antarctica's glaciers getting larger? http://www.newscientist.com/article.ns?id=dn1806 [newscientist.com]

They also said we created the hole in the ozone; however in 2004 the hole in the ozone was recorded as getting smaller by up to 20%. http://www.ctv.ca/servlet/ArticleNews/story/CTVNew s/20041002/Antarctic_ozone041001?s_name=&no_ads= [www.ctv.ca]

Take a few hours and read about how much crap volcanoes spew into the environment (e.g. sulfur dioxide). Do some Google searches on how many erupt each year... compare that with our fossil burning. The environmentalists have always been pretty disappointed with the results. Don't forget to include the ocean volcanoes when you do it.

Still think we are causing global warning? Remember the Ice Age? Scientists are starting to dispute whether or not an asteroid caused it. Where were we with our wicked cars then? We all know that Solar activity had been written off as crap until recently when the numbers were just to obvious... the environmentalists account for it now by saying that ONLY 10-30% of the warning is being caused by the sun.

I just wish you guys would preface all your "we are killing the earth" talk with, hey we really don't know, but we THINK "we are killing the earth". I certainly will ay I don't know for sure, but the evidence isn't cut and dry in your favor. The media is, but not the facts. Just some food for though. I know I'm going to get slammed for this post, the same way I do when I defend MS, but hey what can ya do?
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